/civ/ - CivCraft

>>34913

WE SHOULD MAKE [insert shitter here] THE SOLE EMPEROR OF NEO CHANADA

When 3.0 hits all I really want to do is organize shit and build infrastructure under Tigen, it has been my dream since I first joined in August 2014 to build roads and I'll be damned if I don't build roads.

Also I'll help coordinate the Bay12 dudes, we should settle relatively near an ice mountain/iron-bearing biome and let the first outpost be the first portions of their infamous Dorf Fort so we can cash in on iron early on.

>>34920

We need to hold off shilling until our settlement is nailed to the floor and we have lodgings for said newfags.

>>34925

Well have fun in your dead town, wherever you decide to build it.

>>34925

Who are you?

>>34928

hey oops i forgot my name

>>34929

Go back to Reddit

>>34931

Oh okay you're going on your own volition. Good luck mate.

>>34933

>founder of chanada

And the murderer of it too perhaps.

>>34936

>resizing a reaction image to reuse it

Top. Kek.

>>34938

That's pretty gay actually.

Also give board ownership to someone in case you die in a disastrous sex change operation.

>>34939

>believing the "kovio is trans" meme

>>34941

That Skype group you added me to was cancer.

>>34942

Both of you go. Shoo.

DUDE KOVIO RUINED CHANADA

DUDE KOVIO IS A TRAP

>>34944

I ruined your mother.

Back on topic, should I have Bluescope immediately start cartographic the map?

>>34945

Carthographing*

>kovio was only trans just to bother some people

I might be gone for a bit starting tomorrow. But I'll be back with a meme-team to back me up and I'll shill on /a/. It's gonna be great.

>>34957

Chanada is probably never gonna be a thing again lad

I have no real problems with you anymore though

>>34959

Was nice fighting with you at Cadiz m80

>>34961

It was pretty fun

Shame they banned all of us after, the admin was an autist

>New united chan nation

Wont work unless absolute power: See chanada.

>Two gov entities

Unless that power goes to 2 people, it will not work.

>Misc 1.

Agreed.

>Misc 2.

Limiting self determination will result in small splinter groups of terrorists. See /k/ and Emperor_rick. Too completely different situations that both proclaimed "Cancer with-in".

Bg, I hate to say but all of this will just turn out like chanada in the end.

And although it was my greatest achievement of getting the Chanada ball rolling - I regret not ceasing enough power as I could have. Just as a side note, I had absolutely no intention of kiking/snaking my way to the top, rather, build up wealth and muster grand pvp skills to get support of becoming something along the lines of emperor.

I wanted to do some pretty epic plays in civ 2.0. But the fact still stands that no body will and I'd stress to say, wants to put effort into 'democratic' and equal systems unless it's for their self interests. Look at our own nation for instance. Strong leadership with absolute authority is needed.

I'm throwing this out there, because I know for a fact that if you instill anything without absolute power it will fall over.

Moreover, certain protections have to be set where: if the leader isn't doing their job. They are seized.

And finally, a state must have a clear line between Pvp/army/soldiers and its citizens.

Nothing else matters besides those three points.

Everything else is subjective - laws need to be made around events to prevent it from happening in the future. Wars need to be fought sooner rather than later.

I don't know about you. But Outcast and I will be creating up a city with an ideology and system we've been looking forward to creating for months.

You're welcome to join, or do your own thing.

>>34957

I don't think Aki ever even had a problem with you guys specifically, we were just supposed to because you did some shit in Viridian before we even set up properly and we were dragged into it because Chanada.

>>34954

Akihabara stronk

>>34970

Ok, we will try to coordinate our location.

3.0 is upon us

Should I dedicate myself to a reddit city or a /civ/ city?

>>34943

I seriously hope you don't think I'm chriscrispie

>>34970

It's common consensus among former /k/ players that grinding on civ was no longer fun and they wanted to vent all their frustrations and go out in one last act of defiance. Sure, it could have ended better but the past is the past.

There were a few that dindu nuffin. You guys have every right to be pissed but please don't call all of them terrorists. Many of them didn't do shit to anyone. Those who were guilty got their punishment. Leave it at that.

>>34976

>The only chan state left that made up Chanada is /pol/, and for the beginning we should keep it that way.

We don't plan on completely remaking Chanada or /pol/, but rather something entirely new that is not specific to one board. Banding together, instead of having Tygrus, Centipede, and Auxchar all try to go their own way is absurd.

>I don't want two nations trying to get people from the same board.

Same. There is absolutely no reason to do this when literally every suggestion that is being vetted by those of us who want to create a pan-chan city would allow people like them to have their own 'outpost' within our country. That is the simplest, smartest compromise. No competition, no butthurt, they would still have a voice, and they will be well integrated with us.

>However, PLEASE don't put your eggs in one basket this early.

Agreed. Obviously I know what's on the horizon, but the rest of you don't and I can't let that influence my decisions I am going to make about this server. I'm dumping my eggs into the basket that those close to me LONG agreed to latch onto. This idea of outposts and a central city has been floated around since around the time of the Mir War and simply because a few people are going their own way doesn't mean I'm going to compromise my positions.

http://strawpoll.me/6514966

vote here for most popular proposal

Who here /pEEEvEEEpEEE/?

>>34990

Of course

>>34989

>pan-chan empire

wasn't that one of the suggestions for the proposed hke and chanada merger that everyone was freaking out about

>>34993

It's a working title. More to the point, its meant to describe a revived and united Chanada instead of just Polynesia or Polynesia and vassals.

>>34990

As far as I see it, it won't be a problem if it's new people: they're no more inclined to be shitters than anyone else. Hell, there are a few people from old /k/ that I wouldn't mind coming back.

>>34990

I was waiting on 3.0 to do this tbh. Didn't feel like unfucking current kompound so starting over would be nice. Maybe it'll be like the good times again.

>>34994

Last time I talked to you I'm pretty certain were very anti- /k/. (Prolly cause they just griefed your shit lel). Anyway, who would you want back? The only ones I truly miss are knealz and kapjnkaffe. The others were cool but they kinda fucked everything up so I'm still salty. As a matter of fact, I haven't talked to any of the others since before they an heroed. Early October I think.

Fuck it. I'll hop in the mumble once I finish cleaning my raifus.

>>35000

>>34999

>these gets

Sorry guys,8chan being a tard

>>34999

>>35000

>>35001

wew lad

also I don't think 3.0 is happening for a month or so yet so you're probably good

i might come back and actually try keep up this time

Well, I'm definitely not going to stand much of a chance bringing back any of the old /k/ players back, as I was just banned from their private mumble by spongy for being a kike. It doesnt surprise me, even though I sold (if not outright gave him and everyone else) tons of shit at cost the majority of the time. Anyway, if we do everything right, we may be able to continue from where we left off. Sucks that the old crew won't be around but we'll hopefully manage. I'll lurk on the civ for a while and maybe start back up once 3.0 rolls around.

>>34996

literally retarded bg

sorry.

First problem, if its going to be anarchy, you should say you will "head up /pol/s part" You don't get to put yourself in power. (unless youre a piece of shit faggot and make the groups early on like a kike)

2nd problem-No districts. What happens when there is (theoretically) 2 /v/ guys make a few houses, and then suddenly, the neighboring /pol/ district completely surrounds them. That's pretty retarded. Start in the middle, build outwards where people want to go.

On that note, new chan city citizens shouldn't have to identify what board they came from, (at least in public) that will help with rivalries between boards. If we want to keep MLP fag shit or cuteboys from coming, we can do that, but again, quality over quantity, if they are productive I could give a shit less if they like to jack off to horses.

Third problem-

>I will not be a dictator.

>coming from dictator bg

We can keep our seperate identities, but unless we see each other as chan vs reddit we can never achieve chan unity, ever.

You went on about no sense in cutting the community, yet want to make rivalries via districts

>>34997

Not just /pol/, just channers, there will be some /v/ guys, some /k/ guys, some /tg/ guys, no reason to call it a /pol/ nation.

>>35001

Who are you /k/uck?

>>35001

One of the listed reasons for changing over is because they couldn't get sharding working well. With this in mind I assume they're going to have some bullshit portals in place. If that's the case then I strongly believe that Grundeswald (or our next incarnation) be in an adjacent shard, not only will it create a natural boundary but will allow us to control movement between at least our two nations limiting the flow of reddit faggotry.

Another point to consider is the different shards will have different ticks, so maybe look into controlling sections of another shard for large farms or other lag causing environments. Though we don't know how large these shards are going to be its best to claim as many as possible.

>>35011

more or less what I'd prefer to happen tbh, have a few ideas tho.

>>35016

Neustria isn't a part of Polynesia. They are independent of us. They don't pay taxes, they have their own factories and infrastructure and they have been entirely self-reliant. If they want "out" then that's a kind of absurd concept because they aren't "in" Polynesia to begin with, but we would come to their aid if they were attacked. It's not worth debating in my opinion, but I think it's pretty funny that you are a part of a /pol/ community and trying to advocate for the virtues of multiculturalism.

>>35016

also kek gaul isn't a part of Polynesia. immer gave them that land as a new non-pol nation. They are entirely sovereign.

Alright I'll throw my ideas into the discussion I guess.

1. Pan Chan City. This is in my opinion the most important thing that needs to happen, every successful nation on 2.0 had a centralized empire with most if not all of the population living in one city (Carson, Etherium, Volks, MtA, Thule etc). This has a ton of advantages, for example we only need to build expensive factories once, we have highly reduced costs for bastions and other strategic buildings, we always have people online and keep the community alive and interesting and we have a highly reduced reaction time if shit goes down (if somebody attacks us, we all just log in instead of first traveling 6k on the rails).

As for Outcasts concern about Multiculturalism, we're not recruiting from islamic koran reading boards or reddit, I don't see a problem with /v/irgins or /k/omrades living with us. Nobody who browses any chan stays bluepilled for long.

2. As for government, I'd be in favor of a democratic voted Triumphirate which gets reelected every 3 months.

3. Inside Pan Chan City, enforce a building code. We don't have to go full Breslau, but nothing kills a city like cobbleshit, /v/iridian for example was a big offender with this shit. It's not that hard to build a nice looking house, and we can't declare ourselves superior to reddit if we live in mud huts and cobble palaces.

4. Encourage a voluntary tax for public projects.

Early on, we won't have huge riches in the treasury, so everyone should be encouraged to donate stuff to the government so that it can build farms, grinders and factories.

In turn, every citizen should be allowed to use those factories privately as long as they leave them in the same state they were before using them.

Anybody who, for example, uses the wheat farm and doesn't replant, smelts stone until the factory breaks and just leaves or somehow fucks the internal mechanism of an autofarm up gets their infrastructure privileges taken from them until they pay a fine (f.e. the repair costs plus 30d).

This way, we could kickstart the economy.

(5) only if realisticbiomes isnt just decoration this time.

If theres some shard where theres valuable, rare material, we should send an expedition corps there to set up a mining/farming outpost.

The gov gives these players the material they need (bastions, picks, obsidian) to secure the location, they get there, set it up and start depleting the ressources until they're gone, return home with it, get a cut of the mined materials (I'd propose 50/50, but thats a thing the gov needs to decide) and get honored as expedition corps heroes. We won't need actual cities at the locations, just temporary bases to grab that shit and run.

Addendum: I wanna say it again, spreading wide was a serious mistake done way before polynesia even existed. Sure we had huge land claims, but in the end, it was so useless to us we even started to let new reddit nations use it, this alone should tell you how unneeded the whole "wide" approach is in Minecraft. Nearly all cities except Volks died because of low population, I'm sure if we had little spainland or little aki as districts inside a big city they wouldn't have died.

hi friends

i'll come back I just won't have/want autistic amount of hours to spend building shit up.

>>35029

Blessings =/= Passing the hereditary baton.

Can't tell if actually mad.

>>35033

checked

any thoughts on names?

>>35036

not yet I don't think

next month or two I guess?

>>35035

None as of yet tbh. It's the hardest part for sure.

>>35039

I'll design the logo

>>35035

Trump's legion.

Coming from someone who joined in late October right after the fall of Chanada, I may not know too much. However, I will give my honest opinion on the matters.

A loose alliance will not work, nor will a mega-super-all-in-one-chan city. A /pol/ fortress will exclude other boards, as well as vassaling for our benefits. Yet, a /pol/ based nation has the potential to be a powerhouse.

I believe that we need to think of this future chan nation as something akin to the United States itself. Each state with its own identity united under one name. Each state contributing to the common good with its strengths and weaknesses identified.

/pol/ has a unique roll itself. We are a group that is highly interested in government and leadership ideals and design. Who better to debate and establish a successful nation than those who pay attention to, and learn from what works and what doesn't.

I do know that we DO NOT need to divide ourselves and fight among each other about what will work and what won't. A good idea cannot be forced. It must start as a seed and then grow organically. It must have a strong root sytem, it must have a strong body, and must produce bountiful fruit.

/Pol/ has the opportunity to plant itself in 3.0, it has the experience and knowledge to form a strong base. It has the ability to recruit an incredible amount of players, and finally it has the know how and motivation to dominate.

3.0 has not happened yet. We can not let ourselves fall apart even before we have a chance to get off the ground.

We do not know how the sharding will work exactly, but we do have someone on the "inside" that can help to guide us. We have the advice of an amazing leader at our side. We have players that can organize massive projects and make them happen. We have others who excel at PVP and can train future members . Even still there are players who can function at hours on end and do the most mundane and raise it to the level of glory. Everyone here has a purpose that when combined with the skills of others can make us unstoppable.

We need to cut out this internal bickering about who is going where. Once 3.0 happens we need to group up and establish or starting mudhuts. We can all then grow organically together. We will form a tight knit city that the filthy reddit scum cannot distrupt early on. We can then grow out from that recruiting and spreading our tendrils into areas that we have only dreamed about dominating. We must search for the best area and shards for our nation. We must then find each other and begin to build.

United we stand, divided we fall.

Oh and fuck Kolima, the lava tree looks good boys.

>>35039

I'll throw out a few names for fun if we don't want to stick with a name with /pol/ in it. I don't really care either way.

Aryania

Hyperborea

Acadia

Avalon

Asgard

Tyr/Tyre

Gotland

Helvetica

Neue Germania

Caledonia

Gaul

Cascadia

Anatolia

>>35043

100%

>>35044

Literally was thinking of deriving a name from Norse too.

I'm a fan of tyr.

>>35041

m8 I'm the designer round these parts. New flags would be cool though tbh.

>>35045

it was a /g/ joke

>>35045

cool, yeah Tyr has a good ring to it

Did you goys ever have a private build server? I could probably host one if not.

>>35048

>c) is taking up the mantle of becoming the next HanTzu (in more ways than one) with staunch enthusiasm.

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>>35055

No.Trying to group the same people who didn't come together in the past and expecting them to suddenly give chanada another chance is idealistic fam.

>>34938

I wana fuckin go m8?

I'll stab u I'm Spanish it's what I do

Come at me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameliard

what about cameliard as a name ?

>>34969

They were 4craft /pol/, that was my prob with them

>>35048

>Here's the difference though: most instances of these foreign shitters consolidating have been / will be involving completely unrelated people.

Not really, they're all the WP types that have grown into their own clique and operate the same way.

>>35061

>4craft

ah those were the days

>>35042

>no independant new vegas

Nigger wut

>>35052

>Being HanTzu is a bad thing

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>>35054

If someone will post up a list of everything we want I can get my server switched over. (Including worldedit) so we can play with city designs and stuff. I just need a comprehensive list of every single plugin and whatnot in one place. I've already warned the guys who play on it that it will be going private for a while and everyone on my end is cool with it.

>>35054

>Yeah fuck that guy. Its not like he has experience recruiting, developing and forming/re-forming a state or even leading one.

I have been told many times by immer himself to call him out on his bullshit when I see it. Well, here I am calling him out on it.

If you and your kind want to treat immer like a Syncrates-tier cult leader (to the point of building LITERAL religious shrines), then fine, I can't stop you. But I refuse to believe him to be any more than a man; a brilliant man at that, but fallible. As am I, but I've frequently stated that I am not some all-knowing authority.

>To me, it looks like here is a bunch of oldfriends looking for their next bid for power over the delicious labor of other newfriends.

Unlike you, I don't want a seat of power unless the new state in question wants me to be a part of it. I just want to set up a system that will allow a united Chan state to flourish while reducing the chance of one board gaining hegemonic control. I'm not the one that has stated that you want to turn other Chan states into literal vassals. Our purpose has long since been to become powerful and dominate Reddit, but you spend far more time interested in absorbing and establishing dominance over your fellow Channers.

>Disregard past leadership. Check.

Again, just because they HAD political authority does not make their stance immediately valid. Glad to see that the criticisms of /k/'s blind subservience to their leader have not been lost on you.

>Heavily idealistic. Check.

Again, it's hardly idealistic considering this has been a proposal that has gotten wide support when brought up in the past. Were it not for a handful of barriers of that time, we probably would have gone through with something similar.

>Refer to themselves as the next chan empire. Check.

Considering the stated goal is to be a Chan state rather than just a /pol/ state, I don't see an issue here. Also, looking at the thread, I don't recall calling it an "empire" at any point.

>>35056

>>35057

Let's take a look for a moment at why Chanada collapsed initially:

* With Nox on the verge of losing its war, we needed to distance ourselves from the "Chanada" title, as it made us liable to become a target due to our historic alliance.

>A circumstantial reason that was then used to consolidate power in West Chanada over the remaining states/territory. Not really an issue moving into a new map.

* Meetings were a clusterfuck

>Remedied by better use of /civ/ (or whatever board we end up using) prior to or in place of direct meetings, or by having a speaker who keeps things organized during discussion

* States would work against one another

>A result of a loose confederacy built on top of a multitude of existing, well-established states who had more time on the server being separate than together. Not really an issue with a clean slate and unified state.

* Clusterfuck vassal system that left a number of groups alienated from any real political representation or used as a proxy to sow hostilities between nations

>Stop fucking using vassals. Pretty goddamn simple tbh.

* The union lacked a constitution

>Literally planned to be the precursor to establishing any official government. Once someone takes the time to write at least a first draft (I will do so if necessary), that leaves at least a framework for which participating boards can then modify as necessary. When it came to old Chanada, it was solely laziness that we never finished the constitution, or because there were those who made calls of how "we didn't need one."

So remind me again why this is such a big deal beyond /pol/ not having an explicit position of dominance?

>>35072

>If you and your kind want to treat immer like a Syncrates-tier cult leader (to the point of building LITERAL religious shrines)

Tigen, Immer was pretty much saying that "I have faith that they will produce results".

How the fuck is acknowledging that in anyway /k/ tier in lol wtf.

point 2

>Implying people will live in a commune together and not fight over power.

This >>35073 is 100% correct, and for a fun fact. It's not just bound to /pol/.

>>35075

Because the literal basis for part of your argument was that my lack of approval for the opinions of past leadership meant an invalidation of my ideas. That sort of argument is devoid of logical reasoning and you know it: the ideas should stand on their own, not just because GRORIOUS READER nods his head in approval.

But on a related note, I disagree with immer on that premise too. I honestly think that the planned /pol/ state is going to be a perpetuation (perhaps even an expansion) of the failures we currently are living through today. Production is up thanks largely to a handful of apolitical citizens, but everything else has been stagnant up until the 3.0 announcement. The government itself has been doing very little to actually create an engaging experience for the citizens other than shouting down the occasional highly-tedious work order and spouting a half-assed feelgood nationalist "speech" to keep them complacent.

>Implying people will live in a commune together and not fight over power.

It has nothing to do with living in a commune you mong. Yes, there will be powerplayers who will try and rise to prominence, but the system is being set up so that they a)can't achieve any position without the support of others and B)that seat of power can rotate out as necessary or with the changing tides. You on the otherhand advocate a system where, regardless of whether it remains functional anymore, /pol/ alone MUST ALWAYS be on top. The moment this is lost, everything effectively self-destructs, and whatever relevance that was achieved is quickly lost. I'm making a system that will outlive me and outlive the politics as they exist today. Yours on the otherhand is rooted only in the now, and it will come to swallow you.

Additionally, if you spent half the time pushing our efforts towards dominating redditors rather than other chan states, MAYBE we would be on a noticeable path towards server domination. We were closest to executing that goal under Chanada, and our efforts since that time PALE in comparison.

>>35081

>Because the literal basis for part of your argument was that my lack of approval for the opinions of past leadership meant an invalidation of my ideas. That sort of argument is devoid of logical reasoning and you know it: the ideas should stand on their own, not just because GRORIOUS READER nods his head in approval.

Not basing my argument off that at all? Literally just said I got the thumbs up. you are literally taking it out of context by blowing up saying:

"OH GEE CAMO AND OUTCAST GOT DIVINE APPROVAL BY IMMER OH BOY HES BASING HIS ARGUMENT OFF A MERE MORTAL MAN".

lmao. Agian, I don't think you understand...

Someone...

Who has some good credentials...

and experience...

Said...

That he is confident in our trek...

Nothing else...

And I have literally not used it in anything but stating that.

Salt

>It has nothing to do with living in a commune you mong.

>1.New, united chan nation.

> A united, new identity.

>this is the plan that has been vetted

Top kek, need I say more?

>You on the otherhand advocate a system where, regardless of whether it remains functional anymore, /pol/ alone MUST ALWAYS be on top.

No. I'm saying that who ever creates the nation needs to be on top and have absolute power. In chanada's case that is literally the only way.

The only way to protect chan culture as a united front is to take on Facism and a central power. OH - that's what I've been arguing the whole time.

>Yours on the otherhand is rooted only in the now, and it will come to swallow you.

I seriously didn't pick you to be the one who'd take me as some fool who doesn't think ahead.

>Additionally, if you spent half the time pushing our efforts towards dominating redditors rather than other chan states, MAYBE we would be on a noticeable path towards server domination.

Yeah right, because I've always, always stuck to my self interests when in /pol/.

Not like I got banned for trying to defend Chanada or anything.

Not like I no life'd pvp training to defend chanada or anything

Not like I shared absolutely all of my wealth to the Reich either,

speaking of which, is probably the funds that you were given majority of the time who ushered in newfriends in volkstadt.

>inb4 it was self funded

You and bg have literally complained several times about not getting enough free time to peruse goals / wealth and pvp training because you're always doing something newfriend or job related regardless of still getting paid to do it.

Guess who paid for you nigger? Me.

>We were closest to executing that goal under Chanada, and our efforts since that time PALE in comparison.

Lol. Please, list all the achievements you have gained since my ah, 'demise'.

>>35084

>We were closest to executing that goal under Chanada, and our efforts since that time PALE in comparison.

>Lol. Please, list all the achievements you have gained since my ah, 'demise'.

Never mind about that part. read it wrong

Idunno about you guys, but Im founding a new state called Überschland, based on the board /deutsch/. Capital will be called Kreuzberg. Anyone with me?

I really, really don't see the big deal here. What bg/tigen are suggesting is essentially what Polynesia currently is on 2.0 with added districts and a system of power which would still keep the power to about... 5 or so individuals.

No one suggested a democracy, the closest thing that was even talked about was the POSSIBILITY of SOME elected officials.

No one suggested giving power to shitters, or having a way for them to truly have a voice in the government.

No one is even saying any of this is set in stone. That's the hardest part to understand in this schism. None of this is even set in stone and Outcast/Camo formed a separate group a single day into negotiations. Over the next 4+ weeks of discussion we could very well have come to a consensus on a form of government. Even now, we have no clear outline of the government structure. I really don't see the need to create a whole separate group over a day of minor disagreements.

European themed city PLS

Toulouse 2.0, with people this time!

>>35090

>None of this is even set in stone and Outcast/Camo formed a separate group a single day into negotiations.

Day 1? We've had a plan for a town for months brah.

First line of Op post too

>Critique, attack, disagree, do whatever.

>>35104

Bg doesn't know what's good for him

tbh I don't see why you and outcast can't come to an agreement with tigen and bg. There's a lot of middle ground, don't gotta be stuck in the trenches.

>>35022

I've still yet to visit Carson or your vault.

>>>35107

We literally dont give a fuck what they do lmao

>>35009

K

>>35109

why can't we all just be friends ;_;

>>35116

>to an extent

I don't think that will portray my opinion of him very well.

Please pretend I didn't add that, should just read "I like Outcast, [...]"

>>35118

I'll just agree to disagree, friendo.

Need to balance quality and quantity otherwise we'll end up with either of these two situations:

>Too many new people/too many shitty people, dissolution of the country

or

>Too few people, no or limited recruitment w/ extreme alienation of any new people

Either will kill our little e-lego nations, last thing I want to see. Neither do I want to see Outcast and Camo be noted as another pair of Immelol and Hantzu, ruining their board town in hilarious exercises of complacency.

I mean it's just a game, I'm not going to take it seriously, but as with any other game I try to 'win', if winning would consist of having a successful and fair sized community dominating the map, as well as there being progenitors to continue the cycle.

On an unrelated note, Trump hype Immer, I'm starting to believe the dude who created Dilbert that Trump will win by a landslide.

>>35102

Well you should totally go to olive garden with me ;^)

>>35124

>Camo would work well as an advisor, Outcast would be a prime candidate to lead our military endeavors.

Flip the positions and you have what we're going for.

Also, I wouldn't support Nes what-so-ever lmao.

>>35125

I don't object to you guys being in the government, I just don't want you two being the sole leaders of whatever we form early on. Leader positions and bureaucracy is the stuff to deal with later on anyway.

>>35124

I'm not attempting to force anything. People can choose where they want to live, where they want to go. All I am saying is that Outcast and Camo will run a great nation and personally, I will be part of it.

Camo is not fit to lead a pol faction in a multichan city. Neither is Outcast, neither am I for that matter. No current polynesian leader is so far as I can tell - and I doubt any true /pol/lack would tbqfh. There is a certain amount of bending your ideals and compromise that staunch authoritarians, ideologues and individualists would refuse to bow to. This is why I repeatedly said "Chanada is dead - let it remain dead". We were better off without them.

It's pretty clear to me Camo is a natural born leader - who with a bit of encouragement could lead a top tier sovereign nation. Same goes for outcast.

If you start a /pol/ district within a 'neo-chanada' state best of luck to you. Once the pedal meets the road i would imagine most newfags would eventually migrate to the CamoCast Reich though.

Just stating my opinion...people can do whatever they want

>>35128

The point of the city is to not have >muh <insert board> district/faction

As it was stated many times, seperate board identities create competition against each other, i.e. /k/ vs /pol/

albeit /k/ were shitters, the same thing will happen

your so called nazi circlejerk will not work at all, sorry

>>35128

United we stand, divided we fall.

If you guys decide to go your own way there's nothing I can nor anyone else from /pol/ could do.

And yes, we'll keep Chanada dead, the united chan city would be nothing like Fagnada nor FAGT, they failed by becoming so wide spread and so isolated, being so independent. Only a federation with strong bonds and nationalist ideas can withstand the hordes of Redditors and grind of the mill of time.

>most newfags would eventually migrate to the CamoCast Reich though

That's a hearty kek from me Immer.

Reminds me of the whole two /v/ city thing.

>>35130

The reasons /k/ died:

1) Noone from /pol/ stuck with them to lead

2) Too seperated in identity, 1 is at fault

3) Didn't intervene when Prind was exiled, nor when he was dubbed, 1 and 2 are at fault for 3

Events like /k/ have disheartened Immer at the idea of a unified Chan identity, and honestly I don't know how we can prove him wrong other than to just do it. This is a real doozy.

>>35132

Heil!

>>35132

don't forget about prince of spainland toss diamonds my way im lazy pls

>>35137

**prove shit TO me

>>35137

immer I haven't read the thread much but shut up you washed up LOSER

>>35137

>>35138

>beta male for wanting to prove someone wrong

So when we go and BTFO liberals with logic that's being beta?

God damn Immer, not going to dis your confidence and yeah the boards all have their own identities, but the overarching nationalism of the sites versus outsiders would more than likely promote unity in any case.

>>35139

Reiko you the next form of Grundeswald should be a giant cube over the ocean called the "Cuck Cube".

>>35141

list 53 times where I asked somebody for diamonds

>>35142

the 53 times you asked me personally.

>>35143

can i have some prot?

>>35144

sure

>>>>35142

"cmon man u gotta get me some diamonds im dyin over here man"

like all of every time you needed diamonds and shit

I was never in aki when you asked me though I think, so I just told you to raid daddo's room or something

>>35147

i meant towards >>35140

not reiko.

Stop being so obsessed with me :^)

>>35148

i know you are probably memeing but i can kit a couple of your pals if you wanna cause some drama. I've always respected you daddio - very loyal guy.

>>35149

haha jokes on u fam reiko is my best friend and when you mess with my best friend im gonna defend him :)

>>35151

he thinks you are weird. he told me.

>>35152

ok

>>35150

can i have prot 2 immer?

>>35152

I'll always be around, i love the pic btw

>>35150

I'll ask around some old circles for people

>>35154

yeah why not

>>35153

thats a lie reiko told me he loves me

>>35161

10/10

>>35166

The real Sarah might be playing come 3.0....

>>35169

Jesus Christ that fucking pic

>>35172

The reason I don't want Outcast is quite honestly because he reminds me of myself. Acts first, asks later. That is a BAD, BAAAD quality of a leader.

Immer is the opposite, dude contemplates his actions before acting.

Also Emp Rick is a faggot, and Immer in this thread has done nothing but make himself look like some variant OF Emperor Rick.

"G-guys /pol/ hegemony fuck other boards"

>>35124

>Also yeah I like Hantzu, it's just he screwed the pooch a few times as a leader and serves as a decent example.

^^^

>Do not contradict your wise statement by attempting to force leaders.

Agreed. I mean, I don't even understand, immer, why you are trying to advocate for anything anyways. I mean, according to you guys, if we don't join you, we are shitters and deserve to flounder and die off like the peasants we are anyways. Why on Earth would you want to encourage us to join you if that is the case? The other possibility, which I see as the more likely one, is that you are doing this as an attempt to keep the family together. Ultimately, you and I both know that no matter how much you grind, even with 7 people you will eventually be outcompeted by a multi-board chan town, especially if it is actually able to function successfully. It's simply going to come down to numbers. If there are 7 no-lifers, that's all well and good, but if there are 30 of us we WILL outcompete you, especially with the changes on the horizon. Either way, you are making a mistake.

>>35127

They've been selling this bullshit double line for a few days now. "No official roles until we're set up." and then they'll flip and say "We had this idea since before Jesus was born, look how great we would be as leaders, immer says we'd work!" It's sneaky bullshit.

>Once the pedal meets the road i would imagine most newfags would eventually migrate to the CamoCast Reich though.

What this will come down to is which city is better able to keep new people and stay active, assuming that this faggotry continues indefinitely and that no compromise is had. Literally there are a dozen scenarios I could see working out to keep us all together, but all of them require Camo and Outcast sacrificing some of their vision. If they don't, they will end up alienating everybody and turning into Taz "We purposefully kicked out newfriends because didn't like them." mily. Ultimately, without Tigen, myself, and the other channers, you will be missing a large part of your community, a community already reduced by the collapse of Chanada. If you're willing to make that choice, I pity you. Putting production before friends is just sad.

>>35131

>I don't know how we can prove him wrong other than to just do it.

Don't even look at it like that. Just do it because it's the best route forward, not to prove an arbitrary point to somebody who won't even be leading shit in the next map.

>>35161

The irony is that your exclusivity and the fact you are demanding leadership be handed directly to you is the reason we can't all just be friends and work together. I'd happily work under you, but you are being too stubborn.

>>35173

Daily reminder that that which we had the most is that which is most like us. The reason so many people were fanny flustered about Emperor_Rick is because he was 100% fucking correct. /Pol/ynesia really does look the other way when breaking its principles benefits it. The irony that two of the people who helped to found Chanada are now arguing that other boards should be kept out is not lost on me.

>>35174

>>35172

>>35169

Dude....Woah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcVJerE2leI

>>35174

>>35172

>>35169

bgbba bro. you don't know when to quit. you don't know when to stop talking. Many times ive deafened myself just to get a break from you, only to come back and hear your incessant babble over an hour later.

You drained the fun out of civcraft for me. You drain the fun out of civcraft for alot of people. You are a good guy but god damn do you love to hear yourself talk.

I can't speak for camo and outcast's future decisions.... I trust them and think they will do a good job. I just wanna hang out with friends of mine that are ideologically similar, and for once, not be behind the wheel.. Good luck with your chan unity project.

>>35174

Dude fuck off with your bad ideas tbh, you can see that everyone doesnt want this shitty chan city idea, and you still try to force these things to happen. Why? All you are doing is getting upset because you think your idea is the epitomy of playing, and is the only way. Rather than enjoying playing with everyone else, and doing what the majority think is the best idea, you bitch and complain about how Outcast shouldn't be a leader, and act like a child in saying you will quit if he becomes the more relevant leader.

Just stop dude, while you have what dignity and respect is left.

</rant>

>>35170

ooh

can I call her johnny then

>>35170

lol wtf

>>35173

During my time as 2nd in 2.0 I have not tried to determine the direction of the Reich but rather focus on making the direction possible and being the means to that end. In that respect I think I've done a decent job. We have more at least above-average pvpers than we ever did, our newfriend retention (when we do shill) has been pretty good, and whenever I had time to play, I made sure new people always had something to do. You're right that I "shot first, asked questions later" and quite frankly that was intentional on my part because I respected immer's ability to make decisions about the reich, and instead of trying to make policy decisions I tried to make policy reality. That will not be the case in 3.0. Since Camo and I will be leading we will share the same authority but focus on different areas. I respect that camo has much more experience powerplaying, organizing troops and fighting in group PvP on civcraft so he's logically the best one to organize the military. I am good at organizing labor and delegating authority to who merits it, and making sure a nation's interior is running OK. Also we're both pretty decent builders so I think our town will look p. damn nice.

Because I will share the responsibility of determining our nation's direction my decisions will therefore be much more level and very much less reactionary. I understand if you think that I am a reactionary by nature, though that is simply not the case.

All the same me and camo will have the same authority; if he's not online I'll still be willing to lead the fighting if we're getting attacked and if I'm not and interior bullshit is going on he can run that part of things.

Hello lads it's been a while. I'm thinking for this new map that I'll found a nomadic/scattered association of 8chan people. It'd be a diplomatic and cultural confederation to ensure that the rights of for those anons who wish to live as hermits or outside of the borders of a Chan state are secure from the Redditors.

If successful, it will serve as a mutual defense pact and keep embassies in major cities, but will not claim territory or be a state in the traditional sense.

>>35227

Can't tell if you're trying to pick fun or if you're serious.

If you're serious stop before you start nigger, just join either existing towns or town or whatever happens when 3.0 goes down.

>>35218

Whatever man, I bid you good luck on your doings.

>>35228

> just join either existing towns or town

..did you even read my post or are you being deliberately obstinate?

>>35218

The fact that you are not willing to even discuss keeping channers together makes you seem pretty autistic man.

>>35233

Auf, I'm willing to discuss it, but to be honest I'm not going to read paragraphs of rhetoric, synthesize a response, and continue the circlejerk, further wasting my time when I could actually be doing shit. I would much rather be playing games that are fun and organizing a city with a person who I can agree and work with. See how bg kept melting the fuck down onscreen up there? Personally I just don't give a fuck. I'm raiding reddit like every other shitter in /pol/ has talked about since the day I joined this server. bg said the first thing he'd do if 3.0 was announced was "pearl that faggot Aerothers and all of the kikes in the U3P!!!!!1". Guess what, I pearled folters and aerothers and ranusavalehart within the first what, 48 hours of 3.0 being announced, on the same fucking day. Me and camo have been planning our town in mumble while you shitters have been wasting your time posting WALLS of pure fucking autism when you could be planning your own town, OR, you could've decided that trying to push multiculturalism on the members of a /pol/ nation in order to fulfill your half-cocked fantasy of a working big chan city was a bad fucking idea. Sure, I'd like to see the idea work and if you guys succeed it'd be really fucking cool, and I'd really respect you for pulling something like that off. In the meantime I seriously don't give a fuck if Tigen or bg write a 500-page paper on my infinite failings or how the new town is going to fail because of the exclusive knowledge that bg has but can't/won't share with the rest of us. I'm not bullshitting my life away picking apart the rhetoric of people who spend their time writing papers and in their free time spend it writing essays, and you think I'M the one being autistic? Fuck me. Maybe I just don't respect bitch tactics like using the knowledge of confidential information as a pressuring point for a compromise (which is something that bg did with me privately in mumble) or whore philosophies like democracy, representative democracy, or the weakness that says "I am willing to compromise my values and that of the community I represent because I want to have a more diverse community" which is EXACTLY what you are trying to do and EXACTLY what has been done by the fucking SJW cultural shitstains. You expect me and camo to compromise our values and the values of the people who are behind us to participate in YOUR idea of a chan city and yet you will incessantly bitch and moan about how unreasonable we are being? Try it and if it works I'll respect you for it, but in the meantime get the fuck off my dick.

>>35235

At first it would be a sort of collective bargaining agreement and a way to allow 8ch people to live wherever they want without persecution.

At first it would have to use its diplomatic leverage and appeals to other states to advocate for its members, but once the military power is there, it would make sense to transition into a sort of military order. But that would be rather far into the future.

>>35238

>>35235

Also forgot to mention; there would be strict membership guidelines (redditors not allowed) and a monthly fee which would go towards bounties. Members could also vote to tax themselves in order to fund projects for the advancement of all members.

>>35237

I feel the same way tbh. Since /pol/ is mostly a fucking cancer on the chans, better keep it like in the chans, aka in its containment town.

>>35245

have fun living in a town unironically dedicated to the people who destroyed Europe.

>>35250

Did I hurt your feelings my little tumbrina ?

>>35237

>further wasting my time when I coudl actually be doing shit

>wastes time by pearling aerothers and folters for literal no reason

Outcast you know you are pretty fucking ignorant, I'm not even going to talk about Tigen or bg. I'm talking about you.

You have a fucking stick up your ass and if you dont want this fighting how about make a post about this >le ebin utopia you plan to make with camo.

As far as I know you dont even know what fucking government system you are using. So yeah, you are bark and no bite, enjoy your circlejerk.

>>35253

Like I said I'm willing to discuss it if you actually want to have a discussion, but pretty funny that you think that hours of planning will be worth anything if you don't have the means, the attitude, or the will to see it done effectively. From what I've seen of bg's posts I doubt you have those between the three of you, since he so nobly "does not want to become a despot". I doubt that you, as a group, would be willing to do what's necessary to make your town work in the long-run. If anyone would it'd be you Auf, but don't expect to put channers from multiple boards in one town with a weak government and have it to go over well.

>>35268

Could you describe what your government would be like?

>>35270

when are you guys in mumble normally?

>>35271

usually 8-9pm EST I'd say is our peak times, sometimes fluctuates a lil

>>35273

no. An idiot would judge individuals solely on the community they came from as opposed to their individual merits. If there are top tier people from 2.0 who respect nationalism and an authoritarian government there is no reason why they should not be allowed to participate, but we will not be shilling outside of /pol/ or /pol/-related communities unless for outlying vassals once we are already established and secure.

>>35273

He means /pol/ related fam. Like that european times article on us, or nationalistic outlets

>>35276

elaborate

>>35277

never mind, >>35275 explained it to me

>>35276

anyway yeah, I can see you have a few concerns. if you want to discuss it in mumble I'm on right now

>>35254

>bait

How so?

>>35308

>blaming Germany for destroying Europe

>>35324

le 12 years old stormfag strikes again.

>>35270

"A new, united Chan city"

"Hey guys let's put all the /pol/ people into positions of authority that they will likely never leave and force others to make their own countries if they want to actually do what they want"

Do shit like that and it's going to be another chanada.

I say have just a few jobs that people do (providing there are sufficient numbers) that corresponds with what their board specializes in to ensure they enjoy what they do, and are good at it. For example, several outstanding /pol/acks run some governmental offices, some /k/ guys run the military. Other generic things like building, farming, and mining are jobs that anyone can do.>>35270

>>35328

chargles bologna

is he still alive

>>35329

Yeah, lmao, I really like the idea of putting /k/ people who have the organizational capability of a low-functioning autist on amphetamines in charge of the military when they weren't willing to pvp practice in 2.0. Great idea there

>>35332

Being a leader of pol and favoring an inclusive environment for liberals, conservatives, and etc was done only to consolidate your power. That's pretty Jewish tbh. You can't proclaim to stand for /pol/ values while in the same breath endorse multiculturalism. Your hissy fit over people wanting to do their own thing reinforces my opinion on this subject.

>>Rick: Everyone loved me don't deny it

>>BG: I never did...

>>BG: You were one of my favorite newfriends, I even wanted to move you up to some sort of position under me in Volkstadt

I think you mean you did, but whatever, it doesn't matter.

>>I'm getting real sick and tired of people who joined after Chanada was basically dead saying that it failed because of multiculturalism

I joined months before Chanada imploded but ok. There was no rule of law or constitution because of the cultural differences between the Chan boards. No one agreed on anything when you attempted to draft a constitution. All the previous attempts were one shit show after another. Everyone was skeptical of eachother and didn't trust that power would be shared equally. We were all too tribal in our associations and that's purely cultural.

>>35341

Let's be intellectually honest Rick, you were known as a shit leader before I joined the server. Shortly after I joined BG, Mosley, and others started the meme for good reason. I only ran with it.

When I actually cared about Chanada, I legitimately tried to calm tensions between your rouge behavior and /k/... and afterwards I did a hell of a job cleaning up the Spainland grief and rebuilt the infrastructure in the north side. I did much more then you did before I went Jihadist.

the only shit you did was replant trees and helped for a fraction of time in the pumpkin fields. GG m8 you deserve a cookie.

>>35350

>pumpkin fields

>>35352

Tazmily, and /k/ompound?

>Chanadian multiculturalism

This meme has to end. If you really think anyone in Chanada had beliefs, habits, or ideologies drastically different enough from one another then you're pretty much retarded. Even /k/, who was arguably the most isolated and 'culturally different' from the rest of Chanada, didn't have that much of a different userbase than /pol/ynesia would. In fact, several users went from /pol/ to /k/ and I remember one time a /k/ member moved to /pol/. I'd hang out in /k/'s mumble and would hear 'kike this' and 'nigger that'.

Not only that, how many Polynesians have formed other board towns and have had them be successfully integrated within Chanada and work well within it. Marxys left Polynesia to form Neustria, Bobnamg formed the tg/bay12 town, nano formed wulfkhaine.

I think there's a lot less of a cultural difference between chan boards than there is between 4chan and 8chan or 4/8chan and reddit. Regardless of that, no matter what any 3.0 'chan town' would be dominated by /pol/ anyway. Pretty much the only people with potential for leadership from 2.0 Chanada, but aren't necessarily all going to be a part of the 'chan town', (Outcast, Camo, Nano, Tigen, Bg, Bob, maybe a couple other /pol/ guys as well) are former /pol/ or current /pol/. Not to mention most of the people who want to be a part of the chan town browse /pol/ or are at least sympathetic to /pol/ ideologies. I know a few people in Gaul (including their leader) browse /pol/, my home board is /pol/. Any chan city created in 3.0 is going to be dominated by /pol/ even if most of the /pol/ynesians go to outcast/camo's nation instead. So if someone joins and is culturally different enough from the rest of us to hate /pol/, they aren't going to stay in a city where 90+% of its residence considers /pol/ to be their home board.

>>35356

In the chan city there will be no /int/, just channers

If I end up becoming the new Kompound leader, I can pretty much assure you that PVP will be a mandatory part of life.

Think Sparta, but with more memes.

But anyway, in the old Kompound we got content with sitting on our asses behind that wall. It shouldn't be surprising that we eventually developed a sense of paranoia and severe xenophobia.

Just remember, the majority of old /k/ people who are left didn't have anything to do with what happened that night. There's no reason to still be salty towards the rest of us. Justice was served and now we're just trying to get back on our feet and get started in the right direction.

>>35363

This

Not all k memebers were bad, it just was the mob mentality

Ras if you dont mind I could show the new guys the ropes of pvp

>>35366

Because of safety in numbers. If rumours are true then many of the leftists may return and try to remove "problem" elements before they can be established. I doubt people would be held for all too long but it could be a huge hindrance and put us far behind the other nations.

Could even end up with a Devoted like sharding where you have to dick around on a beginner island with all the other retards. I'm just thinking security until people are ready to establish themselves properly.

Its not like anyone here can't work together, its mainly a disagreement on governance. I doubt there would be a problem with a temporary town with a simple "No killing" and "Don't let others still other people's shit" rule.

>>35370

Yes but

Why make a single chan town when its 95% /pol/ - only for /pol/ to leave as soon as its players get wealthy?

That would be a literal waste of time.

>>35370

just to add onto >>35371

using devoted as an example, when majority of the population (Mount Augustans) in argos stop playing - Argos was raided to shit and anyone who was living there got killed.

Same fate will happen to the % of players sticking around in a chan city 3.0 when /pol/ moves out.

>>35358

>Implying people won't settle in the city together on basis of board culture causing inevitable unrest

don't kid your self, it will end up just like real life.

>>35447

/furry/ either wouldn't be allowed to join or wouldn't want to join because of /pol/ being 90%+ of the city

no one suggested a democracy at all

only assault memes would be regulated

chris isn't allowed in

Though one thing I agree with when it comes to the spirit of the post is that 'districts' or 'sectors' in chan city are absolutely retarded. It's /pol/ dominated, let it be /pol/ dominated. Most 'cultural' structures should be /pol/ or overall-chan related, with a handful from other respectable boards with presence in the city.

>>35450

>>35447

As a disclaimer, that post was pure memes. Although the idea of a multi-board city is still not that good.

>>35450

>Multi-Chan City

>Undemocratic

We should also build the city out of unreinforced wood, so that it burns easier when that plan goes to shit.

>>35468

how about instead of ranting about how many cocks you can suck you explain how its a shit plan

just remember you're good old pal hghg203 builds walls, paves roads and fucks about harder than any of you do. Remember him when you are starting to city plan!

kovio im sorry oh god please forgive me

>>35488

The city should have a plan of sorts. If you just start letting people build out it turns into that shithole tazmilly where it was a bunch of spaced out houses with little to no utility and it was stupid looking. If you go in with a plan it'll work out. Personally I want to do away with stupid shit houses spread out and tighter spaces being used.

>>35542

Just limit people to one plot per person. End of story. Tear down anything that somebody hasn't used for over three weeks. No pre-made roads. Quite simple.

>>35587

>I want a house and a shop

>SORRY, one plot per person

>>35587

>>35592

No, that doesn't work. You want to build a real city right? You want to build something that looks good and functions well right? You want something new not the same old shit we've been shitting out constantly. You need to cramp a real city. You need to start with a small circle or so and see where it goes from there. The city shouldn't have physical lines but invisible ones. Housing to be mixed with utility. Separate but don't space. Don't just allow people to build factories in their shitty 4x4 house. My house should be the prime example of what should be illegal. I had every factory in my house in viridian and just mined under it and got whatever I needed when I needed and never left. I didn't need anything. Utility should be in places designed for utility. Shops should not sell EVERYTHING. Don't allot housing districts and board districts. Let people settle little areas of the city and claim its their little spot with their own decorations going on. Don't allow spreading. Spreading is death. When a building turns vacant is should not be bulldozed unless the area goes replanned. Instead repurpose it. Strip it of everything but the walls and let somebody new move in so we don't get more useless buildings or reuse it for storage or something else so we are never forced into making things. Allow sky scrapers and industrial hangars. Build decorations. Like literally build an airport and planes only because it looks cool. Who the fuck cares if it actually does something. You get the idea. Personally I want to build a train track and train station. It doesn't have to be functioning I just want a neat train yard with shipping containers being used for storage and whatnot. I want to build a large harbor with tankers and things just because.

That to me is how we should set up our building. That is how I believe it should be planned out. A court system should be in place to set up precident and "laws". Things to be written down and followed to make sure it all works out. Don't go into this without a plan this time. /v/iridian was great because most people thought kovii had this whole thing planned out. It felt like it was being lead instead of pushed. I personally hope we can really lead this to the ultimate goal. REMOVE REDDIT.

>>35468

i only parsed the first two characters of your name and misread it as bg and wondered why I was agreeing with a bg post so much

lmeao

>>35354

>> /k/ incompetency

Not arguing against that... but they were still apart of Chanada and didn't die before it's failure like you previously said... so was Taz. You're just trying to argue with me because it's against me. (inb4 Rick is literally worse then Hitler)

When we talk about multiculturalism we neeed to be a bit more specific.

Polynesian Multiculturalism: Granting citizenship to leftists and sjw's, the safe space hugbox, private dealings with redditors and granting land to progressives left a bad taste in some members. This is partially why we see some in pol wanting to do their own thing in the next version of civcraft.

Chanadian Multiculturalism: Association between the various chan boards. Chanada failed to become a united power because of personalities of individual leaders clashing with one another and the various cultures. Whether it be because of board differences or just the loyalty to your own group of friends. They're both tribal mentalities... or are you going to argue that /k/ didn't have a cult of personality around Syncrates and weren't suspicious of non-/k/? Tazmily also had their own identity and weren't going to let pol dictate their own path.

>>35355

tell me about the cult of syncrates and how it was the same as the cult of bg, immer, yearn, spicrick and others?

Enlighten me logi.

>>35361

During the Spain-K conflict? Are you sure about that Rick? Maybe you weren't online or around Polynesia but it was said months before then. It started not even a week after I joined.

>>I never had the intention of reviving spainland or even cleaning the grief. I only did those things to keep you happy and make you feel incharge.

contrary to what you were saying at the time, plus the "Emperor Rick is not the leader of Spainland" bitching you and Sarah were doing but ok buddy, i'll take your word for it.

>>you had no negotiating power yet all you did was spam >GIVE ME THE GROUPS RICK !!1111!!! XDD

Never claimed I had negotiating power, but I attempted nonetheless to reason with you as any reasonable citizen would. I may have asked you to give me the groups but I also said give it to immer and that /k/ would back off if you co-operated as everyone else was saying. In a similar situation I had random pol people messaging me to give up my groups after I went rouge. I'm sure they messaged me without asking for permission from pol's leaders.

but you seem pretty insistent to rewrite history to fit your narrative.

you can live in a fantasy land were everyone admired your leadership in Spainland. Everyone else knows the truth and can talk behind your back.

>>35634

Spic Rick was a meme, not a cult of personality. He was a friend of ours, but he wasn't a leader. Yearn never really had followers as much as she just did political power of her own accord, nobody ever felt like they couldn't challenge her.

The only people who really had anything resembling a cult of personality was Syncrates. Immer and I both have really dedicated followers, but it's not like we were/are cult leaders, we just simply earned the respect of people, immer more universally than I.

>It started not even a week after I joined.

Dude, the Spainland-/K/ conflict started months before you joined, hell, it started before even Outcast joined.

>Everyone else knows the truth and can talk behind your back.

We admitted it to his face after the FIRST spainland-/k/ conflict.

>>35628

uh how the fuck did I miss my quote jeez, was meant for >>35626

>>35652

I don't know who or what a bg is. I am Mercury.

>>35657

>I don't know who or what a bg is

Consider yourself lucky, though he has made 18 posts in this thread so that's an impressive feat