No.35956
I feel like this new pan-chan town is getting off on the wrong foot already.
Autistic over-planning about things that are impossible to know at the moment.
Talk of claiming an entire shard when almost none of you can pvp.
Deciding administration before the 3.0 is even implemented.
Already holding 'pan-chan' meetings where nothing gets accomplished.
Deciding which shard to live in before all of the resources, crops and various biomes are announced or discovered.
You are putting the cart before the horse. You are being unrealistic. You are being insular to ex- /pol/ynesians and making 'le oldefag conspiracy' a reality before civcraft 3.0 even begins - turning people off and starting arguments before a start-date is even announced. If you want to make a proper multiboard town you need to start from scratch: No government - no council of 5- no ideology-no name decided before 3.0 begins. A multi-board town is not the way I would have things go - but if this the path you wish to go down - it must be done properly. Here is what i suggest:
If the playerbase wills it - I will lead for the start of 3.0. I have experience in managing a large group -am generally well respected among oldfags and newfags alike - I understand server mechanics and the delicate balance between competence and pure activity - quality and quantity. I know how to focus a workforce in the proper direction and would apply these skills to get the chan town off the ground.
We will all be poor, broke and devoid of technology or even food at the servers initiation - much like cavemen of yesteryear or Africans of today. Not /pol/, not /v/, not /tg/, not /a/ not /k/ but a tribe of chan we shall be. I will call myself chief - and show favoritism only to those who get things done - the strong - the smart -the productive - erasing all past interactions as far as in game politics are concerned.
Pre 3.0 focus will be placed on:
Pvp
Build showcases.
Initial 3.0 focus will be placed on:
A farm
Location
Basic Factories
Resource acquisition.
All early civilizations must evolve past the tribal state which is why after the first 45 days - and not a day longer - I will step down as chief and elections will take place as to government structure, leaders, ect ect.
I have more ideas on the matter but won't continue if I am wasting my time. - thoughts?
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No.35959
Viva la Immer.
Here's a qt
No.35960
No.35961
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>>35959
Francoise Hardy, nice.
No.35962
This started out being a reasonable criticism of speculative decision making and quickly turned into 'and you guys are obviously lost so here's why you should give me power'
No.35963
>>35962
>'and you guys are obviously lost so here's why you should give me power'
Well, I'd rather make my intentions clear.
No.35964
>>35962
It's a call to action, direction and patriotism. Comprehension was never your strong suite. You were always much better at say - hearing only what you wanted to hear from a message.
A self imposed limit of 45 days - a month and a half - to get things going in the right direction. I'm quite happy not to do it - I'm not doing it for me. I am doing it for all of you.
No.35966
>>35964
i follow massa immer but i also dont want to be in a town filled with the cult of personality that will ravage itself from the inside. tough call...
No.35967
>>35956
I support this. My biggest concern is that decisions will be made by people who have no experience leading and instead run on near-100% naivety. I won't name names. Even worse though is that these people pair 100% naivety with 0% self awareness.
Also, PRACTICE PVP YOU MONGOLOIDS and THEN TALK ABOUT TAKING SHIT OVER. I'm dead serious in my goal to become good at PvP. The stuff you need is out there, just take it, actually fucking DO SOMETHING
>>35966
>the cult of personality that will ravage itself from the inside. tough call...
????what???? I'd rather have a cult of personality than a naive circlejerk
No.35968
>>35966 (checked)
after 45 days you can vote for whoever you want in whichever govt structure you land on - theoretically if you gain the support of your contemporaries you could even lead.
This will ensure the best people will be running things - not the ones who spoke up first
No.35969
>stop thinking so much about things, goys! just turn off your mind and give me your blind loyalty! ;^)
How about nah
While you're right about the fact that we are mostly in the dark about 3.0, there are certain things we can and should discuss before it launches in order to give us an organized start. and hit the ground running.
Things like the successes and failures of our time on 2.0, the overall structure and purpose of the new government, who will be allowed into the city, a general strategy to implement regarding resource gathering, those sorts of things, can all be thought up now in order to allow us to focus on actually implement it once 3.0 is live.
No.35970
>>35969
funny, i don't remember you from 2.0
No.35971
As far as I am concerned, these things that you have mentioned are not really things we need to prep that much for or CAN'T prep for right now until all the balance changes are announced. We're talking a lot about some of the more abstract conceptual plans because there's really not much else to talk about.
People already know that there is a need to PvP train, and I've mentioned it many times now. If they want to do it, they'll do it. If not, we can't force them. That's about as much as I can do for the situation right now considering I'm still banned on kohi and nobody seems eager to change servers just for my sake.
Nobody really gives a flying fuck about what goes on serverside for the next few weeks until the test servers go up, so doing anything there is pretty pointless as well. There's not even raiding and whatnot to be done. Monuments and showcases are going to mean NOTHING right now.
And actually, all of the issues you've brought up for initial 3.0 HAVE been discussed and HAVE been decided as top priority. Like I said before though, we won't know what the specifics of any of those plans is going to look like until after more details are released. So for now, wild conjecture and speculation is sorta the name of the game because what the hell else is there to do besides occasional PvP training? The meeting was a shitshow, but it got the job done for what was intended: securing alliances. Anything else that it managed to accomplish was purely a bonus, albeit ones we'll probably have to revisit when things become serious again. Also, we now know never E-V-E-R trust Kovio to organize meetings on our behalf, even when it's to negotiate terms on the behest of his own fucking nation.
>>35963
Also, I'm so glad to see a certain SOMEONE being a lovely little songbird about any and all of our conversations. We'll be sure to be EXTRA "accommodating" to them in the near future :^)
That being said, this is taken out of context. It's not that the position of Emperor was going to be trivial. The point of it was that it was never planned to be there: it was a compromise between the council-based pseudo-republican style system we have in the works versus the virtually totalitarian system Polynesia currently has. It was an effort meant to bridge the gap between the two involved parties by bringing on board the most respected member of the Polynesian camp as effectively the leading role in the new government. This is a role that you then turned down along with the subsequent proposal to become Minster of Defense (of which you so cunningly backed out of after prior agreement at the last possible moment), but hey, no skin off my bones I suppose.
We press on regardless. We'll be in touch.
No.35972
>>35964
>It's a call to action, direction and patriotism.
We already have that. We have made no actual decision outside of what our main priority will be starting out, starting leadership, and some minor coordination with our allies going into this. For the record the only thing that I consider formal decisions are the things discussed in the Pan-Chan city V2 thread. Anything else is speculative discussion that is centered around a what-if operative, and with something as mysterious and unknown as 3.0 it isn't necessarily a bad thing.
>Comprehension was never your strong suite. You were always much better at say - hearing only what you wanted to hear from a message.
What am I supposed to hear? You're actually saying in your post 'here's why I should lead'. You criticize us for determining a basic government structure before going into it, yet seemingly want to establish one of your own? You criticized the concept of Democracy (which I agree with) yet you're saying that once CHIEF IMMER steps down voluntarily that elections will take place? The thing here is, this post was absolutely not called for. It's based on misconceptions and a lack of knowledge/misinformation (like every time you have a problem with something). We haven't planned what shard we're settling in. We don't even know whether or not we're claiming a whole shard - though the general consensus is that we want to hold a shard along with one or two allies. The criticism of picking out a name is uncalled for, that's literally a nonissue, there's barely even anyone arguing over it.
>>35968
>This will ensure the best people will be running things - not the ones who spoke up first
Then let the Pan-Chan city take its course and that will happen. We don't need someone in charge of a Pan-Chan city who ultimately detests the idea of a Pan-Chan city. We don't need someone to swoop in and lead us because we've already decided that, at least for the beginning, the structure we have now is fine. As for Bg/Tigen 'speaking first', they are among the best suited for the role. You told me months ago that you thought Tigen would have the most success running a new board nation. What makes the idea of him running a successful town so unlikely to you now? Have you just turned on him like you've turned on pretty much anyone who has shown you loyalty but didn't do everything you said?
In the end, it doesn't matter how many councils we create or theoretical politics we sperge autistically about. The people in the new nation are going to listen to not which voice is the loudest, not which voice is the most kind, not which voice talks the most, but which voice will get shit done. Establishing any more than the loose 'government' we have now would be pointless because eventually we're going to end up with a handful of people who are going to be listened to and respected. You may have a cult following within certain groups in Polynesia, but that doesn't give you the right to throw away all we've established thus far or to overthrow the government we've collectively agreed to.
You're not Donald Trump Immer, as much as you might liken yourself to him.
No.35973
>>35971
>Also, I'm so glad to see a certain SOMEONE being a lovely little songbird about any and all of our conversations. We'll be sure to be EXTRA "accommodating" to them in the near future :^)
le kgb face.
>Monuments and showcases are going to mean NOTHING right now.
design our factory building thread
design our statehouse thread
ya know keep interest and hype up. clear cut way to have a few critical buildings schematica'ed in from the get-go with a materials list already assembled.
>>35972
stop replying to my posts you are obsessed with me. I'm gonna file a restraining order
I don't think a multiboard chan town is the right direction - but if it's the direction you guys want to go - it should be done correctly.
it's clear you guys don't want my leadership and advice - and that's fine - but you are making poor decisions and dooming yourselves. I was doing it for you - not for me. I'm pretty tired of civcraft and see this heading in the wrong direction.
You are very clearly making volkstadt 2.0 +certain others allowed in, maybe - just look at your council of 5. You have already alienated Neustria and pushed others on the fence away as well. Best of luck to you.
No.35974
>>35970
That's probably because I'm not namefagging
No.35975
>>35974
I'm a mod you retard. i know who is posting. I never saw you play civcraft.
No.35976
>>35971
Ostracizing someone because their not playing by your game is pretty mean tbh.
And as an fyi I backed out of it before I got the message, because I saw it coming.
In the end I basically just said: "Look I don't really give a fuck, you can run your town the way you want, because I sure as hell don't want to be involved in the government anymore, its easier being a private citizen working with my mates on my own endeavors"
No.35977
>>35975
Well that's just your problem then m8
When did you start playing?
No.35978
>>35977
if you don't know you are seriously out of the loop.
No.35979
The sheer amount of autism guys. Its minecraft.....like this is deep, rabbit hole deep.
No.35980
>>35978
Why does that matter at all? Just answer the question.
No.35981
>>35980
fuck off leftypolfag.
No.35982
>>35973
>stop replying to my posts you are obsessed with me. I'm gonna file a restraining order
You can stalk me on the sub all you want, just try to respond to posts that actually have something to do with you and/or your demagoguery.
>I don't think a multiboard chan town is the right direction - but if it's the direction you guys want to go - it should be done correctly.
Then tell us how to do it correctly instead of trying to replace the government we've already established.
>it's clear you guys don't want my leadership and advice - and that's fine - but you are making poor decisions and dooming yourselves.
Okay then, bye.
>I was doing it for you - not for me. I'm pretty tired of civcraft and see this heading in the wrong direction.
Oh how could I not see this? Am I blind? Immerrichtig is doing this FOR US. He doesn't want to take leadership - nay, he's tired of Civcraft! Yet he will play and lead us anyway!
This ain't a Greek tragedy. If you don't want to play or don't want to lead, then don't. Don't act like you're doing this for us because it's nothing most of us want and it's ultimately going to lead to the same bullshit disunity as 2.0.
>You are very clearly making volkstadt 2.0 +certain others allowed in, maybe - just look at your council of 5.
I don't see how this is volk 2.0, and I don't see what's wrong with volk2.0.
>You have already alienated Neustria and pushed others on the fence away as well. Best of luck to you.
I don't see how we've alienated anyone.
But it's ironic coming from the person who alienated literally fucking everyone in 2.0.
No.35984
>>35982
>trump
>demagoguery
buzzfeed bro? Huffpo? nice!
>lead the most properous and populated nation in civcraft
>alienated everyone
it's like you lack the ability to learn
I'm done with Neo-Chanada. If i play 3.0 it's going to be in Camo and Outcasts private corporation.
Enjoy your cancer.
No.35986
>>35981
>has no response to any of my points
>fuck off leftypolfag
lel. If you want me to fuck off you'll have to ban me. What happened to "no ideology"?
I was a citizen of Viridian for several months and also played in 1.0, but left sometime in November 2014 because nothing was fucking happening in Chanada and it got boring after a while. 3.0 is looking pretty sweet though and I want to play again, hopefully with other 8chan people but if too many people like you are going to be butthurt crybabies and demand a safe space free from problematic ideas I'll just play with adults instead. I firmly believe that our identity as channers is more important than any inter-board animosity and will happily work alongside /pol/acks to remove reddit.
So far in this thread you've done nothing but ignore everyone's ideas but your own and insult the very people who you demand make you their "temporary' fuhrer. Hardly a demonstration of basic social skills, let alone competent leadership ability.
No.35987
>>35986
Get out mucknuckle
No.35990
>>35986
Get out mucknuckle
>>35982
logi stop
No.35992
>>35986
>played only 2 months
>left cuz bored
>viridian
>remove Reddit
Sound like a leecher to me
No.35994
>>35991
>From Viridian
>literally not in any of my logs
No.35995
>>35986
>has no response to any of my points
you didn't make any points
to the future leadership of the Pan-chan town: Enjoy your mucknuckles, your logibears, your retarded newfags grasping at power and spouting opinions that they have no concept of.
I'll be chilling with Camo and Outcast if I play at all.
When you need chemotherapy I'll be around to chat.
No.35997
>>35994
I was there nigga. I remember people like kovio, HanTzu, Ryan509 and I was part of the whole Vinland disaster too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Civcraft/comments/2j0t65/do_not_recognise_the_polack_national_resistance/
>>35995
>you didn't make any points
Your response to my original post was "I don't remember you from 2.0" and since then you've done nothing but call me names. It also seems like you don't want a pan-chan town at all, just a /pol/ state with you at its head.
No.35998
>>35976
Frankly, I don't care if you "play by my game." The offer was an extension of an olive branch so as to ensure that we could reunite our two parties under one community. If you didn't want to participate in that, that's fine. However, let the records know that we were willing to compromise if it meant keeping everyone together.
No.35999
>>35998
I'm not willing to take a position of leadership then be undermined in having no power or sway in a government.
Seems pretty kikish tbh
No.36000
im just posting to get trips
No.36004
>>35984
Scratch that, you alienated and have lied to pretty much everyone that didn't follow you blindly.
>Constantly disrespecting other nations within Chanada. In fact, name one nation you haven't disrespected either to their face or behind their back. How many times have I been in mumble or even just talking to you in private and I saw or heard you shitting on /k/ or tazmily or even individual members of them.
>You knew the_iron_mudkipz was ban evading on Eisen_Jaeger since he came back on that alt. When he started joking about taking control of and restarting HH you sat in mumble spearheading a campaign to bring his ban evasion to the attention of the admins. Syncrates recoreded the whole thing and played it over kradio, anyone here can just ask him or any of the k guys that were there and they'll confirm You can argue he deserved to be banned because he was ban evading, but you didn't do anything about it until he started saying things you didn't like. Pretty dishonorable tbh.
>You constantly talk about those you consider friends or allies behind their back. Especially Bg to be honest. I've called you out on that countless times when I was in Polynesia and I'm not going to stop that. You've called out individual people and attacked their personal character over a videogame and have said things behind their back that you wouldn't say to their face. That's not a quality of a leader, that's a quality of a fucking teenaged girl.
>For me personally, you turned on me despite me showing you absolute loyalty throughout my career in Polynesia. Not once in the 300-some days of playing civcraft have I ever plotted a move against you. When I was in Polynesia I had absolute loyalty to you - even risking my own reputation at times to do what I felt protected you and Polynesia. Yet when I started Cian this person I looked up to and respected and thought of as a pretty good friend and was one of the only reasons I still played Civcraft suddenly turned colder - and eventually turned pretty much outright hostile. You could have just disagreed with my in game actions and kept them in game, had given me advice on how to run Cian, etc. But no, you didn't. You attacked me out of game and honestly I don't think you ever saw me as the out of game friend that I saw you as. I'm thinking that with a lot of people in your cult it's the same way - they're only good with you if they're useful to you
>You've outright lied to me on several occasions. You lied about bringing kipz's ban evasion to the admin's attention (syncrates played mumble recording). You lied about funding nox (you outright said it in the confession thread unless I was hallucinating). You lied about allowing sarah/johnny or whoever was in control at the time) to kill me (sarah/johnny confirmed it for me along with someone else I can't remember, not taking this one too seriously as it's only the words of two people vs one.
>You allowed Sarah to get away with pretty much fucking everything, even pearling newfriends, because she contributed a bit of x-ray dosh
Honestly I could go on and on about your deception, blatant disrespect for those who consider you an ally/friend, and generally scumminess, but that isn't going to do me any good. Most of the people on here either see through your bullshit (but typically ignore it because your cult is a useful ally) or are indoctrinated to believe that you are the perfect leader.
No.36005
>>36004
Can you into TL;DR for me please?
No.36007
>>36005
Immer has had many disrespectful and deceitful interactions with those who were/are his allies and/or friends.
No.36010
>>35973
As minister of production i really want to wait until the whole new factory list is released, that way i can decide which factories will be public, mid tier, and high tier (or some sort of classification like that)
But hey, statehouse/capital building would be nice.
Speaking of? do we want a theme city? or do we just want shitshow of houses?
No.36011
>>36010
The current consensus seems to be a themed city rather than a clusterfuck.
No.36013
>>36004
you do realize that if the mods knew I was associating with someone ban evading, i too would be banned. Ask papa, sintralin re:duke. Bgbba also reported him - because he was cheating -and evading a ban - and we didn't want to be banned ourselves. I figured he would just fuck off and quit after a day or 2 but he didn't. I had no choice. He had to go. No regrets.
We talked shit about every single nation on civcraft including your sorry excuse for one. Grow a fucking pair.
regarding cian you know its complete bullshit. everyone knows that's bullshit. Stop this retarded Cian did nothing wrong meme.
The things i've said about bgbba i've told him to his face - and he took it like a man and we respect one another in a way.
I always funded and supported nox. I lied about it in public to protect myself and polynesia - thats just politics. Pretty much the only lie I can think of telling in civcraft and for good reason too.
I have no idea whether sarah was xraying or not. Wouldn't surprise me.
> I'm thinking that with a lot of people in your cult it's the same way - they're only good with you if they're useful to you
Ah yeah i'm a fucking awful horrible person, ive fucked over everyone whose crossed my path im a real vindictive motherfucker and everyone hates me.
what the fuck is wrong with you kid? grow up. Sorry i hurt your fee fees by saying that selling all your fucking possessions and moving to Serbia to be with a girl you've never met in person was ill advised. It is. Sorry that I advocated getting a full time job with benefits (including health insurance) and pursuing an education instead of doing online work on the side or whatever it is you do. Maybe it's worked out for you but generally those things are fucking ill advised and not well thought up things to do. There are many people i've had it out with verbally that I am close friends with. Least of which include bgbba, tigen, camo, aufdenstadt, nanotech1...hantzu and kovio to an extent as well. They respect me. not because i've lied -but because I tell them the hard truth. Sack up buttercup. You're in the minority here.
I will not be replying to this thread again
No.36014
>>36013
>you do realize that if the mods knew I was associating with someone ban evading, i too would be banned.
You associated with him for 1-2 months if memory serves, and you were talking in the skype group about getting rid of him because of his HH memes. Then you lied to me and others on several occasions.
>We talked shit about every single nation on civcraft including your sorry excuse for one. Grow a fucking pair.
I don't mind it as long as you don't deny that you're a disrespectful little shit.
>The things i've said about bgbba i've told him to his face
lol no you have not
>I lied about it in public to protect myself and polynesia - thats just politics. Pretty much the only lie I can think of telling in civcraft and for good reason too.
You've told many more, I even listed two others.
>what the fuck is wrong with you kid? grow up. Sorry i hurt your fee fees by saying that selling all your fucking possessions and moving to Serbia to be with a girl you've never met in person was ill advised. It is. Sorry that I advocated getting a full time job with benefits (including health insurance) and pursuing an education instead of doing online work on the side or whatever it is you do. Maybe it's worked out for you but generally those things are fucking ill advised and not well thought up things to do.
You know damn well that's not what I'm talking about.
>I will not be replying to this thread again
You shouldn't have made it in the first place. You shouldn't have had the audacity to make us think you're willing to be living some Greek tragedy for our sake, especially not after all of the things you said about the idea in general as well as many of the people you would be ruling over as 'chief'.
No.36017
>>36013
>I will not be replying to this thread again
No.36023
>>35992
did you ever log in to find out how many times your room in 2.0 had been broken into btw
No.36024
>>36013
u realise ur the leader i most respect right?
No.36037
>>36023
that was me mostly
No.36076
>immer quits his Führer job for 3.0
>everyone cries "whaaa I wish immer would stay, he was the greatest E-Lego leader ever"
>Community immediately breaks apart over irrelevant pre planning
>Some of the biggest shitters crawl out of the woodwork to spill more venom into the discussion
>Scheming and plotting happens against each other
>immer offers to manage the starting phase because this shit gets out of control
>everyone cries "whaaaa immer was the worst leader ever, always being disrespectful etc etc"
I want off this ride
No.36078
>>35956
Will you support the Pan-Chan town if your vision is not realized, or strike out on your own?
No.36080
>>36076
Reminder that McRipfist is the true leader of /pol/ynesia and will save the unwashed masses of /civ/craft.
No.36088
>>35956
Here's my fucking proposal.
(stands before immer)
This is what i think of the new pan-chan town
(spits on the ground)
These chan boards are NOTHING to me. Nor Reddit neither! Why should they rule over me and mine? Why shouldn't we rule ourselves again?
There stands the only man i mean to bend my knee to...
(pulls diamond sword from sheath and points it at immer)
The King of the Chans!!!
(chanting continues)
The King of The Chans! The King of The Chans!!! THE KING OF THE CHANS!
/autism mode off
No.36092
>>36088
Quality posting as usual m8.
No.36094
>>36088
>these chan boards mean nothing to me
>calls immer king of chans
No.36095
>>36094
"A multi-board town is not the way I would have things go"
"These chan boards" (anything other than pol.)
Immer is leader of POL
POL dominates the Kingdom of Chans....
Immer is King of The Chans...
2EZ
No.36099
No.36110
No.36112
No.36113
>>36013
>selling all your fucking possessions and moving to Serbia to be with a girl you've never met in person was ill advised
No.36119
Immer is right. This whole thread is proof of it.
All the meta-politicing beforehand is pointless, the redditors are doing it as well which is why I wanted no part of it.
I'm going to follow whatever strong leader emerges from the pack.
Make Civcraft Great Again
No.36120
>>36119
Look no further than the Metropolis to see a reddit city that was meticulously planned at the beginning of 2.0 and completely fell into disarray within a couple months.
http://151.80.42.74/civ/#civcraft/0/11/-2912/-14711/64
You guys are trying to plan the city of Rome before you even know where you will settle yet or how the mechanics will work.
I strongly agree with his suggestion to get through the tribal stage first before trying to plan too much else.
No.36121
>>36120
also why are so many people shilling for democracy.
The biggest differentiation of Channers vs Reddit is that we favor authoritarianism, for good reason.
No.36122
>>36120
>>36121
>>36119
The difference is that cities like that were planned and built before a population was even known to be ready to inhabit it. We have population and everyone is on board with a recruitment-heavy policy from one of the largest possible player pools we could have asked for. The details of what the city is going to look like are only very rough: we don't have some extravagant build we have in mind or anything of that sort. About the only thing in that regard we've really talked to any length about is how to organize populations within the city, because once building commences, that which is laid down first sets the trend for all development to come after.
Hell, most of the more complex political organization has been shelved until development has reached a sufficient point. We have theories, but only so that we don't have to dick around for ages once 3.0 comes about trying to codify the essentials: that indecision (or stonewalling depending on your perspective) is what prevented Chanada from getting its own constitution sorted out. There's nothing else we can really plan for until all production and resource-based changes are announced where we can settle on things like what shard to go to and how XP is going to be made. Better to be working on something than sitting on our hands and let people lose interest.
Also, we're not really a democracy. We have a council, but its based on experts and interested volunteers who are all set up to perform and oversee specific tasks during the foundational stages of our nation. None of the people in question were voted in. Additionally, aside from places like MtA and post-empire SPQR, most other nations in civcraft are some variant of authoritarianism/totaltarianism anyways: they just call it by different names to pretend like they're exploring diverse sets of political ideologies.
No.36123
>>35971
>certain SOMEONE
I just got on Slack since last weekend so please stop thinking I'm a spy. I just like eavesdropping in the Mumble because the convos are entertaining.
>>35956
Immer stop being a cuck newfag betamale manlet
>waaaah muh autism
>waaaah I'm gonna assume they aren't doing [list of necessary preparations]
>waaaah the newfag I wanted to run the town isn't being let run the town
>waaaah you guys suck let me lead even though I really wanted to back down
Stop. Crying.
Also you have a life now dude, enjoy the retirement from the autismcraft country's politics and help me build muh roads and monuments whenever those become a thing. It's soothing.
>>36121
>Reddit
>Democracy
>4chan
>authoritarian
You got em backwards, pal.
Reddit's a socially repressive circlejerk and 4chan is an anarchy with some moderation (illegal shit gets deleted and certain SFW boards are protected from off-topic banter)
>>36120
Yeah I don't know why people are getting so uppity. My plan is to survey for a spot and then get farming going tbhsmhqfam
No.36124
>>36120
As I said before, it's one thing to meticulously plan every detail and it's quite another to lay down some framework before we jump in. We haven't been discussing things like the city's layout or the exact nature of who will do what, but rather things like whether we should have a constitution and what the checks on politicians will be.
The reason Immer made this thread was to stifle any reflection on or application of anything we may have learned from 2.0. He just wants to stifle discourse about what we can and/or should change in order to maintain his grip on power. This is also why thinks the pan-chan city is a "bad idea"; not because he thinks it'll actually fail but because he knows that his followers are all /pol/acks, and that the best way to keep himself in power is to go have a city consisting only of /pol/.
As for the "tribal" thing, I would counter that because our settlements are not based around kinship ties that there have never been "tribes" in Civcraft. The distinction between "tribal" and "civilized" is virtually nonexistent in this game, as even the most powerful "nations" are just a few friends who pool their personal wealth in order to build cool shit and fight other friend circles.
>>36121
Nope. Reddit culture is pseudo-democratic authoritarian, while 4chan/8chan culture is anarchistic. We hate being told what we are and aren't allowed to say and we believe firmly that unpopular opinions should not be downvoted into obscurity. Pic related.
>>36122
>The difference is that cities like that were planned and built before a population was even known to be ready to inhabit it.
That's a good point, actually I agree with most of your post. Although I wouldn't describe any system in civcraft as being truly authoritarian. At most they're nondemocratic, but in those cases the people still have a say in what happens either through direct appeal to their leadership or by threatening to leave/quit. A community which drives people away is one which dies.
No.36125
>>36013
Lol Immer you don't have a personal cult don't worry man, we like you because in the time you led /pol/ you were level-headed and always looked before you lept and most of the time you're a bro.
Not sure what's gotten into you recently that's made you more aggressive but don't be that way. That is the way of the cuck manlet.
Always uppity, tempered for no reason (well his height obviously is a reason), uncompromising (talking about the kind where you don't burn bridges while refusing to accept a shitty demand)
No.36126
>>36120
please let us build something like this. No grids, no flatlands, just cool city stuff.
No.36128
>>35956
>being an anarchist
>in the current year
2012 was four years ago
No.36130
>>36128
meant for
>>36124
Also don't conflate authoritarianism with tyranny
reddit is tyranny of the majority, through democracy, not authoritarian
A democracy can be just as oppressive as a dictator.
No.36131
>>36130
>>36128
I'm not an anarchist. I don't know where you got that idea from, as what I'm saying is that imageboard culture is anarchistic. There are barely any rules compared to the vast majority of the internet, and there certainly no "pillar of the community" faggots who you see on every forum which isn't anonymous including /civ/.
Also it was originally ">2011" if I can recall correctly.
>A democracy can be just as oppressive as a dictator.
This is true, however it's difficult to deny that dictatorships are far more likely to be tyrannical than democratic republics. In the context of Reddit though you are correct, it's a tyranny of the majority. Although I would argue that that is a form of authoritarianism, much more subtle and therefore insidious than that of an outright dictatorship.
No.36132
>>36130
>>36128
He's not saying that he himself is anarchistic. He's saying that Chan culture, when separated from its dominant political positions, functions in an anarchistic manner.
Additionally, as was stated previously, most reddit nations are non-democratic in nature anyways. Any system can become tyranny without the correct checks on accumulated power. The new Chan city isn't democratic either, but we seek to place checks on power to prevent tyranny. That's the point: we are founding ourselves not on the tenants of ideology alone, but on the changes responding to the objective failures observed in 2.0.
The great irony is that, aside from not having an executive head as of the moment, the system we've been proposing was virtually the same as Polynesia up until not too long ago when the ministries were abolished. In this, we create a more functional meritocracy that avoids the often single-minded nature of totalitarian rule.
No.36133
>>36131
>2011
>not selling your bitcoins at $30
No.36135
>>36133
>Minecraft 1.0 came out in 2011
>five years later, the game is still an unfinished mess
No.36140
>>36014
So how are things with your Serbian waifu anyway? Did she turn out to be one of those ones that's largely of kebab descent and not really European, or is she white (although she's still a disgusting untermensch slav tbqh) and you plan on removing kebab together on your honeymoon?
I'm genuinely curious.
No.36141
>>36140
She's pale even for a European
100% full blooded serb from what I know
She's amazing honestly, we have an amazing time together. I couldn't imagine my life without her. I made a very good decision coming here and being with her.
bg can confirm she's a total qt btw
>>36130
how is reddit a democracy
why is this relevant to anything
No.36144
>>36141
>pale qt to remove kebab with
Immer was wrong, you just keep doing you Logi. You're a real human bean and likely a real hero as well.
No.36145
>>35959
>>35961
"oui mais moi, je vais seule, car personne ne m'aime"
"le jour ou moi aussi j'aurai quelqu'un qui m'aime"
Just fuck my shit up Francoise.
i used to cry myself to sleep while listening to this song
i still do
;_;
No.36146
>>36141
>how is reddit a democracy
On leddit people upvote/downvote individual posts
No.36147
>>36146
>you can uh, like or dislike other people's comments
The supreme democracy
No.36149
>>36121
>tfw you've reached stage 5
I have transcended above and beyond the idea of politics