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File: 274d5ee22645165⋯.jpg (113.99 KB, 720x960, 3:4, the dragon prince.jpg)

 No.1008612

>The Dragon Prince, created by Aaron Ehasz (Avatar: The Last Airbender) and Justin Richmond, tells the story of "two human princes who forge an unlikely bond with the elfin assassin sent to kill them, embarking on an epic quest to bring peace to their warring lands," according to a press release from Netflix.

>Ehasz and Richmond, along with executive producer Giancarlo Volpe (Star Wars: The Clone Wars), will present a sneak peek and an inside look at San Diego Comic-Con on July 21.

http://archive.is/fpCO6

 No.1008613

File: 38626a9265e6cbd⋯.jpg (41.6 KB, 505x427, 505:427, 38626a9265e6cbdff3d2af69f1….jpg)

>it's another a motley crew is gonna team up to kill da draegon XD story

man, I sure want more of that generic story


 No.1008614

>>1008613

If the description and platform is of any indication, it's going to be a gay motley crew.


 No.1008619

>>1008612

Least it isn't Bryke.


 No.1008622

File: c4831522f12a117⋯.jpg (43.93 KB, 346x500, 173:250, dragon prince.jpg)

File: 17a53702350ace6⋯.jpeg (84.55 KB, 582x782, 291:391, dragon prince 2.jpeg)

File: cf9c32ad8cd6574⋯.jpeg (698.28 KB, 1253x2000, 1253:2000, dragon prince 4.jpeg)

File: 1aaaf4e1568e706⋯.jpeg (35 KB, 333x499, 333:499, dragon prince 5.jpeg)

File: bc655d823270fd8⋯.jpeg (48.59 KB, 246x399, 82:133, dragon prince 3.jpeg)

Apparently "The Dragon Prince" is some kind of asian folk tale from Vietnam and it had fuckton of book adaptations.


 No.1008623

Has pretty art at least.


 No.1008624

Aaron Ehasz and his wife are rumored to be the reason why the first Avatar (Aang) had much better writing than the second (Korra), so I'm willing to be cautiously optimistic.

Which reminds me, weren't both Konietzko and DiMartino working on new separate shows? I read about that ages ago.Those I am not willing to be optimistic about.


 No.1008629

>>1008624

I think people need to just accept that no one person was behind why Avatar was so great, that it was lightning in a bottle.


 No.1008633

>>1008619

Ehasz and his wife were the ones responsible for pretty much anything and everything good in AtLA, and it was the distinct mistake from Bryke not to include them in Korra that is why it ended up as such a shit show. Bryke make for interesting idea guys, but where they lacked the talent to refine their ideas before, they had an amazing team of writers and consultants to cover for their incompetence. They didn't have that, they didn't have Ehasz and his amazing talent for developing characters and plots, and they suffered for it.


 No.1008638

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>1008613

>motley crew

Now, if they actually had Motley Crüe as the OST…


 No.1008645

>>1008621

Ehasz wasn't the one who was a feral Leftie. That was Bryan. He even talked about how fathers hold you back from your potential (hence all the daddy issues characters and dastardly patriarchs/male authorites).


 No.1008647

Hey /pol/ do you see what I see with the Dragon Bird thing?


 No.1008650

File: 6ccaa8ff9fddcad⋯.jpg (58.69 KB, 286x323, 286:323, 1382829077796.jpg)

>Aaron "The actual true creator of Last Airbender" Ehasz

>No Bryke

What is this weird feeling in my gut? Is it… optimism?


 No.1008658

File: b32748cf0d0f58d⋯.webm (2.25 MB, 640x344, 80:43, Office Space (1999) - In ….webm)

How long things stay as netfags exclusives?

When can i buy the bluray?


 No.1008671

>>1008633 (checked)

There's more good talent involved in A:TLA that wasn't involved with Korra. Even The Dragon Prince's executive producer Giancarlo Volpe worked on A:TLA (and Green Lantern:TAS), Dave Filoni worked only on Book 1 of A:TLA and directed the first episodes/season final episodes as well as storyboarding the season final before leaving to work on SW: Clone Wars.


 No.1008716

So, should we really reject this show or have cautious optimism for it? I mean, it's not a Korra situation where they make a sequel that not only is pandering to Progressives (which Korra was from the beginning considering the title character's design and personality) but proceeds to progressively destroy its predecessor:

>retcon spirits, who were representations of abstract concepts, the land itself, and wild yet sacred beasts into being invaders from another dimension who also double as an analogue of immigrants

>make the Gaang besides Zuko and maybe Sokka neglectful/abusive parents

>turn Benders into something like X-Men Mutants with the Equalists' as their X-Men humans

>retcon the Avatar into some light spirit (stand-in for God)'s sidekick in her battle against some dark spirit (stand-in for Satan) despite all of it happening in an Oriental setting with Yin-Yang

Compared to that, Dragon Prince's start can't go anywhere but up.


 No.1008720

>>1008716

>we

Fuck off shill.


 No.1008722

I didn't even watched Avatar and only played the Korra's only video game. Should i?


 No.1008726

>>1008722

The first is one is a capable (if still flawed, especially in Season 3) kung-fu story set in an Oriental styled world with nice enough world-buidling.

The sequel should be avoided at all costs. Don't read any of the comics for it or its predecessor either.


 No.1008727

>>1008622

>Melanie Rawn

Read this shit when I was a teenager. I think just about the only things I remember is that it was set on a vast desert continent and that the main antagonist was called Prince Roelstra. Still, apparently it wasn't a bad book, since I don't reflexively recoil in disgust at recalling it.

>>1008629

Pretty much this. Avatar was entertaining because it had so many differing individuals working on it. That's how many of the greatest forms of media are made, an equal collaboration between many talented individuals all contributing in their own unique ways.

It irritates me to see so many faggots sucking Aaron Ehasz's dick and citing his absence as the biggest reason Korra sucked when the guy actually LIKED Legend of Korra, save for the shit like the love triangles, which were so horrendously awful that nobody could possibly defend them.


 No.1008732

>>1008629

>>1008727

Bryke pls go.


 No.1008929

>>1008727

We all know that a man in a field as dangerous for employment as Western Animation would badmouth another show with its creatives. :^|


 No.1008933

>>1008629

>>1008727

>I think people need to just accept that no one person was behind why Avatar was so great, that it was lightning in a bottle.

Except we can clearly trace specific decisions and writing to certain team members, and none of the truly great and memorable episodes of AtLA can be contributed to Bryke. They were a liability on their own project and the only thing they had going for them was enough charisma between the two of them to hastily assemble into a likable persona.


 No.1008940

>>1008727

> the guy actually LIKED Legend of Korra

To be fair, that might have been a PR thing. You cannot shit on the people you might one day have to work with again, so you give a political answer.


 No.1008952

>>1008727

>>1008940

>To be fair, that might have been a PR thing. You cannot shit on the people you might one day have to work with again, so you give a political answer.

That's understandable (and annoyingly frustrating because they can't be honest about it especially with Korra "ending").

Is there anyone else who worked on TLA who has said anything negative about Korra?


 No.1008954

>>1008933

>Except we can clearly trace specific decisions and writing to certain team members,

Nah, not really. I've heard this line of thought countless times over, even when talking about Avatar. Even when you bitch and moan about the people who went on to make shit like Voltron and Korra, they still contributed to some things that made Avatar the way it was and without those shitty people it wouldn't have existed the way it was. On top of that, just because someone worked on it doesn't mean they're good. I bought into your retarded way of thinking when Voltron came around and I was disappointed.

I'll watch this but I will have absolutely 0 expectations for it.


 No.1008986

>>1008645

Did Bryan have problems with his dad?

>>1008650

Hope anon. It's hope.


 No.1008987

>>1008929

>>1008940

>>1008952

He didn't have to say he liked it. He could've just given the diplomatic answer of "it was an alright show with some flaws".


 No.1009001

>>1008678

>>1008667

>>1008665

>>1008647

Could be another "drumpf/nahtzee allegory gets btfo" type of story.


 No.1009057

>>1008987

That is enough of a phrase to start a shitshow, faggot.


 No.1009075

File: a89a4bc2af75307⋯.png (271.63 KB, 634x871, 634:871, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1008650

>Is it… optimism?

Probably, but it's best to be cautiously hopeful or abandon it completely because either way you'll be sorely heartbroken.

http://archive.is/dV34t


 No.1009077

File: 61f209c51f7c9e5⋯.jpg (67.09 KB, 500x360, 25:18, 9283759283528.jpg)


 No.1009142

>>1009075

Good to know that the dragons will do absolutely nothing wrong and still be sought out for destruction.

I like dragons, even better when they are in the right.

Too bad about the rest of this shit.


 No.1009144

>>1009075

it never fucking ends


 No.1009145

>>1009142

>I like dragons, even better when they are in the right.

Hey there edgelord.


 No.1009149

>>1009147

Yeah, it seems pretty generic but hopefully the characters are entertaining enough to make up for it.


 No.1009151

File: 7affb32de18ea74⋯.jpg (137.38 KB, 1024x597, 1024:597, white_dragon_by_sandara-d6….jpg)

File: 2d8c526871bd4de⋯.jpg (1.33 MB, 3200x1800, 16:9, 1390072590184.jpg)

File: 441e0d9eb296343⋯.png (945.05 KB, 1280x540, 64:27, latest.png)

>>1009145

>he doesn't like dragons


 No.1009175

>>1008722

Avatar is great

Korra Season 1 is goodish

Korra season 2 is shit

Korra season 3 is ok

Korra season 4 is Phantom Menace


 No.1009227

>>1009151

I remember getting a how to draw dragons book for my birthday as a kid. Goodtimes.

>>1009220

Honestly, I would have been fine if it turned out Amon had some advanced version of Chi blocking. Maybe they could go into the history of that like they did with the bending of elements in ATLA.


 No.1009252

>>1009175

Only thing KORRA is good for now…


 No.1009259

>>1008612

This seems like a breath of fresh air to modern cartoons, despite its frankly standard fare premise. I want more adventure cartoons.


 No.1009890

>>1009220

>Seriously?

>when she really has nothing about her for Mako to bother with her beyond some fling for the kicks

It's Mako having nothing about him for Korra to bother with. At least before Aang, being the spouse to the Avatar seemed like a set for life gig.


 No.1010118

File: 0329c4562df3fea⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 63.4 KB, 850x478, 425:239, 20180722.jpg)

>>1009252

rule34


 No.1010126

File: 76d3103f3cd8917⋯.jpg (15.1 KB, 500x211, 500:211, Mh1UR.jpg)

>>1009175

>Korra season 4 is Phantom Menace

But I actually liked Phantom Menace

It's the only Star Wars prequel where you can follow (or care about) the story.


 No.1010199

>>1009220

Season 1 Korra had a lot of great ideas, probending wasn't bad, but it had no place in a show with the Equalist or amon plot. On the other side Amon and the Equalists were a great idea that were horribly executed. It was a great idea to display the moral greys of the world but no. Equalists disappear after season 1, Amon was just a water bender bending blood or some shit the whole time.

The love tirangle was just a bad idea though and a forced gimmick to lure in the Aang/Katara/Zuko shippers.


 No.1010420

>>1009220

>>1010199

Korra had potential but it was fucked from the start with bad execution even before the first episode aired. (progressing to the 1920s for no reason) If they just had an Amon-like villain set in a time reasonably progressed after TLA without the shitty bending and pointless/contradictory backstory it could have worked. (at least plot-wise)

I still don't get why the writers didn't just have the Equalists use some variation of Tai Lee's chi blocking. It was already an established way of blocking bending, albeit temporarily. It's not like Tai Lee was a one-off character either. She was one of the main antagonists of season 2, and her gymnastics was a core part of her character. The Equalists could have scared the benders against bending in public by attacking or overpowering isolated or unprotected targets using chi blocking. Losing bending even temporarily was enough to make Team Avatar anxious about fighting Tai Lee, so imagine that on a larger scale replacing Tai Lee with Equalists and Team Avatar with all benders opposing them.


 No.1010504

>>1010135

Are you gay?


 No.1010597

>>1010519

>They were there for a forced Communism/Waycism story that didn't suit the world as established in The Last Airbender

There wasn't any communism in it at all? The comparison to racism is paper thin as well since you admitted it yourself, the series doesn't treat benders as a race.

>where there effectively wasn't any tension between benders and non-benders and more importantly bending was treated as a martial art, not a race/ethnicity ala Marvel's Mutants

And? While I do agree it shouldn't be treated like a race, that's just an easy way out. A much much better way to treat it is like gun control with the excuse being "as technology advances the need for dangerous benders is less and less." or some bullshit like that.

>Amon even ignoring his weak backstory was a silly character who begun LoK's tradition of gimmicky bending.

Everything besides his backstory and the fact that he's a water bender was pure bullshit yeah. Everything up to that reveal was pretty okay. Just make him a Chi blocker. The backstory of his family getting killed because of a bending accident was much more compelling than his "TWIST!" motivation. Flesh that out more. Hell, you could make it into a much more complex and retain having a huge twist and less cliche plot by making his wife an abusive bender who abused their non bender children and he ends up killing her himself in order to save the kids but ends up being too late. Or pull a romeo and juliet plot where her bender purist family didn't want her married to a non bender.


 No.1010605

File: d636a4356653a04⋯.png (408.39 KB, 1907x2074, 1907:2074, d636a4356653a04f4370a21dcd….png)

>>1010504

>trying to normalize homosexuality

Go away goon.


 No.1010622

>>1010605

That wall of text isn't going to kill my boner.


 No.1010638

>>1010605

>>1010135

>>1010630

Can you stop derailing the thread like a fucking faggot?


 No.1010653

>>1010629

>They were Avatar Commies. If it sounds awkward then yeah, they were written by Bryke without anybody to rein them in.

I think it sounds awkward because you're explaining it awkwardly. You're giving Bryke FAR too much credit here. They're not good enough writers to write that kind of propaganda. They've mishandled pretty much every goddamned concept in Korra, yet you somehow think they were good enough to make a comparison to communism? Either that was subtle fucking context or I need to rewatch that shit.

> LoK did, ala X-Men with its quasi-Jewish Mutants.

I can see the X-men comparison but even then X-men is more an allegory to minorities in general, not a specific race. They're just a generic stand in and even then it's been picked apart and not good in general. Like I said, they mishandled the concept.

>quasi-Jewish Mutants.

IT honestly sounds like you're pulling shit out of your ass. There's literally nothing pertaining to judaism in the concept of benders. It is distinctly eastern inspired.

>Gun Control would be a poor metaphor since going from TLA bending is neither around in the population widely enough or risks undermining the current order

Except it is very prevalent in all of the avatar society and is shown to be a major problem. And it wouldn't be undermining the current order, in fact non benders would have significant amount of power to gain from stigmatizing it.

>ala firearms in pre-Meiji Japan. Sure, you could push back LoK to be in the Avatar 1800s with the Equalists more of a progressive movement ala the Meiji coup but if so you need to remove the anti-bender element.

"Hurr durr, It wont work because in real life!"

There's a million and one ways you could make it work properly, just like any concept, however Bender's powers could easily be used as a comparison to weapons control, not just guns in fact since we see the same retarded push for knives in the UK. Trying to take weapons away from the common folk or from powerful groups isn't a new concept. And with Bending it could be an interesting concept to play with, but no, they go the generic "us vs them" thing.

>The Equalists as they are now don't belong in Avatar. That's the point.

And I agreed with that point. Because they completely mishandled pretty much every idea in Korra.

Whereass I think they could have just taken the concepts and make them good, you seem to have this retarded notion that the very ideas they used are shit, that the politics they used were somehow overtly connected to real life (most weren't, they weren't smart enough to shoehorn personal politics into it at that point) and the fact that the Equalists WENT NOWHERE further disproves your hilarious notion that they're connected to communism/judaism/whatever, because the movement apparently ended in Season 1 after Amon died.


 No.1010796

>>1010653

>I think it sounds awkward because you're explaining it awkwardly. You're giving Bryke FAR too much credit here. They're not good enough writers to write that kind of propaganda. They've mishandled pretty much every goddamned concept in Korra, yet you somehow think they were good enough to make a comparison to communism? Either that was subtle fucking context or I need to rewatch that shit.

Don't know how you missed it.

>I can see the X-men comparison but even then X-men is more an allegory to minorities in general, not a specific race. They're just a generic stand in and even then it's been picked apart and not good in general. Like I said, they mishandled the concept.

Mutants have the strongest similiarties to Jews and the LBGTEWRO crowd (see Legacy Virus being Mutant Aids and curing Mutants being transparently conversion therapy). Xavier is a Jew who wishes to live among goyim as a superior being, Magneto a Jewish supremacist/seperatist.

>IT honestly sounds like you're pulling shit out of your ass. There's literally nothing pertaining to judaism in the concept of benders. It is distinctly eastern inspired.

I see you lost the point. Benders in Legend of Korra stopped being practioners of martial art traditions and instead became a fantasy race/class that the mean old non-benders are mean to.

>Except it is very prevalent in all of the avatar society and is shown to be a major problem.

The only one of the 4 Nations with a majority of/only benders in TLA is the Airbenders. And just the Fire Nation had benders be highly represented among the rulership independent of other factors like sex.

>And it wouldn't be undermining the current order, in fact non benders would have significant amount of power to gain from stigmatizing it.

You're telling me there's a movement of bender haters large enough for that happen when we see no signs of this in TLA and bending had been around for a really long time?

>There's a million and one ways you could make it work properly, just like any concept, however Bender's powers could easily be used as a comparison to weapons control, not just guns in fact since we see the same retarded push for knives in the UK.

You can be born without a knife. Bending on the other hand is something you have since birth. How would this movement get such widespread support and enforce bending restriction?

>Trying to take weapons away from the common folk or from powerful groups isn't a new concept.

A gun is called the Great Equalizer. It gives the man off the street a level of firepower dreamt of in the ancient past hence regulations. Bending isn't really like this.

>And with Bending it could be an interesting concept to play with, but no, they go the generic "us vs them" thing.

Your suggested conflict in practive is "Us VS Them." My ultimate point is that Avatar wasn't a setting suitable for it when it comes to benders and non-benders.

>Whereass I think they could have just taken the concepts and make them good, you seem to have this retarded notion that the very ideas they used are shit

That they are. Unless you call Vaatu a good idea.

>that the politics they used were somehow overtly connected to real life (most weren't, they weren't smart enough to shoehorn personal politics into it at that point)

One Book 2 villain is obviously a Capitalist exploiter. Book 3's villain is "dude chaos" aka anarchist. Book 4's villain is Hitler and Mao thrown into a blender (and has a vagina). The only odd one out is Unalaq and that's from him being so poorly written.

>and the fact that the Equalists WENT NOWHERE further disproves your hilarious notion that they're connected to communism/judaism/whatever, because the movement apparently ended in Season 1 after Amon died.

They wrote Book One to be self-contained and weren't up to retconning Amon's death.


 No.1010802

>>1010796

Oh, and spirits were also meant to be stand-ins for immigrants.


 No.1011191

>>1010796

>Don't know how you missed it.

I'm pretty sure you're projecting here.

>Mutants have the strongest similiarties to Jews and the LBGTEWRO crowd (see Legacy Virus being Mutant Aids and curing Mutants being transparently conversion therapy). Xavier is a Jew who wishes to live among goyim as a superior being, Magneto a Jewish supremacist/seperatist.

You're reaching super hard here. Ignoring the fact that those are still minorities and those are all problems that minorities faced because again, Mutants are a general stand in for minorities. In fact the whole LGBT thing wasn't even thought of until the movies came along and popularized that idea, before that it was mostly a race thing.

They still have basically zero similarities to benders since bending is majorly hereditary while the mutation thing is really really random. The whole equalist movement resembles them only passingly.

>Benders in Legend of Korra stopped being practioners of martial art traditions and instead became a fantasy race/class that the mean old non-benders are mean to.

If we ignore TLA yeah, but I don't like to do that. Still there isn't much grounding for the whole mutant thing.

>The only one of the 4 Nations with a majority of/only benders in TLA is the Airbenders. And just the Fire Nation had benders be highly represented among the rulership independent of other factors like sex.

Which further causes the mutant comparison to fall apart since Mutants are inherently meant to be persecuted or the entire point of their existence is moot.

>A gun is called the Great Equalizer. It gives the man off the street a level of firepower dreamt of in the ancient past hence regulations. Bending isn't really like this.

Stronger than the comparison to mutants.

>My ultimate point is that Avatar wasn't a setting suitable for it when it comes to benders and non-benders.

Because you have about as much writing talent as Bryke by the looks of it.

>That they are. Unless you call Vaatu a good idea.

That isn't an idea or a concept, that's a specific example of a plot device they completely fucked up. TLA had a shittons of "Order Versus Chaos" plots and Balance was one of the main themes of the show. It isn't a bad concept, it was just complete shit execution.

>One Book 2 villain is obviously a Capitalist exploiter. Book 3's villain is "dude chaos" aka anarchist. Book 4's villain is Hitler and Mao thrown into a blender (and has a vagina). The only odd one out is Unalaq and that's from him being so poorly written.

I think this is more reaching.

>Oh, and spirits were also meant to be stand-ins for immigrants.

Eeeeeeh, you're getting really really far here. Especially since the immigration issue wasn't as publicized back then. I think you're retroactively fitting your own political views on the show which clearly wasn't intelligent enough to even have intelligent enough concepts on it.

I mean, The show had concepts from TLA repeatedly and was too dumb to fucking consistently use them. You seriously think they were smart enough to pull that kind of shit? Of course you do.

>They wrote Book One to be self-contained and weren't up to retconning Amon's death.

It'd actually be a great time to introduce a new villain, have an over arching cross-season plot. You know that thing most shows do.


 No.1011195

File: fde02c6c824896b⋯.gif (1.26 MB, 268x185, 268:185, 345636456345.gif)

>>1011191

>>1010796

>>1010653

You guys really bothering with these giant walls of text?


 No.1011214


 No.1011390

>>1009148

>that edge at the end of the video

Just what I expected.


 No.1011444

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>20 FPS


 No.1011448

>>1011444

love how the first thing we see is a kang.

Also, reminds me of RWBY, which I haven't seen but that shit has always looked ugly and potentially pozzed to me.


 No.1011449

>>1011448

RWBY is both shit and pozzed.


 No.1011503

>>1009175

Phantom Menace is kino, you worthless fuck.


 No.1011509

>>1009075

>Woman on the internet: men are bad

>Men on the internet: hey bitch, allow me to 1000% prove your point in the comments

The only people who respond to shitty bait like "men r bad" are angry people. Any reasonable person will recognize this is an unreasonable person and not worth replying to. People who say shit like that online are fishing for pissed off replies.


 No.1011511

>>1009175

Korra season 1 was originally going to be half its length and self-contained but then Nick demanded a full season standalone. Then right at the end of production they demanded a second season. It really shows in the pacing and the level of depth the characters have. They were meant to carry half a season, then got expanded to a full season, then two then four. And the budget kept getting fucked too.


 No.1011533

>>1011511

So was executive meddling the sole reason why Korra was so bad?

>>1011444

Is it me or does this feel like it belongs in the mid to late 2000's?


 No.1011638

>>1011533

The writers can get a pass at some aspect of the season one like pacing but shouldn’t when it comes to characterization. They get all the blame for the other seasons


 No.1011711

>>1011444

Why did it have to be 3D? And why in some parts it's fluid and others are not?

I hope the story makes up for this shitty choices.


 No.1011720

>>1011444

Where is the WEBM, trips anon?


 No.1011728

>>1011444

It reminds me of a manga with a humanoid race of dragons I can barely recall now.

The kid reminds me of tenzins shit kid meelo and makes me not want to see it.


 No.1011736

File: a51667e45f92647⋯.jpg (26.68 KB, 319x480, 319:480, vomiting_sphinx.jpg)

>>1011444

If this is the best they can come up with than the animation industry is fucked forever.


 No.1011740

>>1008650

>>1008716

>>1009075

If this >>1011444 is any indication, it'll most likely fall flat on its face all the other subscription service cartoons. If they can't afford to hire good animators, they most likely can't afford good writers either. People have this preconceived notion that writing is a natural talent, but it's an art like any other. And like other arts, they require an immense amount of dedication to master.


 No.1011761

>>1011191

>You're reaching super hard here. Ignoring the fact that those are still minorities and those are all problems that minorities faced because again, Mutants are a general stand in for minorities.

They have Jewish witers.

>In fact the whole LGBT thing wasn't even thought of until the movies came along and popularized that idea, before that it was mostly a race thing.

>What is The Legacy Virus

>What is The Cure

>They still have basically zero similarities to benders since bending is majorly hereditary while the mutation thing is really really random. The whole equalist movement resembles them only passingly.

>Misses again

They're both vehicles to tell stories on racism/anti-Jewishness/anti-homosexuality/whatever being badwrong without outright including them in the story.

>Which further causes the mutant comparison to fall apart since Mutants are inherently meant to be persecuted or the entire point of their existence is moot.

And Benders were persecuted in LoK Book One. That plot point getting dropped doesn't change it.

>Stronger than the comparison to mutants.

Effectively any healthy man can use a gun. That's not the case for bending even in TLA.

>Because you have about as much writing talent as Bryke by the looks of it.

Sure.

>That isn't an idea or a concept, that's a specific example of a plot device they completely fucked up. TLA had a shittons of "Order Versus Chaos" plots and Balance was one of the main themes of the show. It isn't a bad concept, it was just complete shit execution.

It was a bad concept:

A. The Avatar was shown as having both light and darkness (the giant Aang in his vision, his rage at Appa being taken). Introducing a "dark" spirit to be Korra's nemesis as a "Dark Avatar" changes what the Avatar is.

B. Yin and Yang isn't "Good Vs Evil." It's difference and how two different forces (man and woman, cold and hot) compliement each-other.

C. Spirits in TLA were weird yet majestic beasts who also represented the wild. Having light and dark spirits changes them. To something not suitable for an Oriental setting.

>I think this is more reaching.

Not really. It's obvious enough what the villains besides Unalaq stand for and are based on. You also don't see that Bryke are Lefties and make works that reflect their politics.

>Eeeeeeh, you're getting really really far here. Especially since the immigration issue wasn't as publicized back then. I think you're retroactively fitting your own political views on the show which clearly wasn't intelligent enough to even have intelligent enough concepts on it.

The spirits in Wan's flashback and beyond were stand-ins for immigrants used to shill multiculturalism. Even the arguments for them being in the Human World were ripped from a shill's playbook (they spice up the neighborhood and get other gimmicks when they wreck the neighborhood, we need to learn from them, deal with it you privileged shitlords, spirits are a religion of peace).

>I mean, The show had concepts from TLA repeatedly and was too dumb to fucking consistently use them. You seriously think they were smart enough to pull that kind of shit? Of course you do.

Tell us more on how Bryke aren't Lefties.

>It'd actually be a great time to introduce a new villain, have an over arching cross-season plot. You know that thing most shows do.

They didn't.


 No.1011788

>>1011720

There's a guide over at /webm/, id do it but im currently mobile posting.


 No.1012038

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>>1010519

>They were there for a forced Communism/Waycism story

>>1010597

>A much much better way to treat it is like gun control

The equalists were a blatantly obvious parallel for the clash between the forces of the pre-industrial world (religion, tribalism, aristocracy/monarchy, feudal peasants, warrior classes trained from childhood in difficult martial arts like horsemanship and swordsmanship) versus the forces of the industrializing world (secularism, nationalism, republicanism, democracy, socially mobile factory workers, conscript armies equipped with mass-produced firearms).

Whether in-born, trained, or some mix of the two, bending was something inaccessible to the masses, much like the tremendous advantage once granted by aristocratic blood/favor and a lifetime of training to warriors and craftsmen. The coming of industrialization changed all that with the advent of cheap (but lower quality) mass produced commodities and weapons, creating conflict and uprooting social mores, especially in highly stratified societies like China and Japan.


 No.1012059

>>1012044

It's two different people, neither of whom seem to notice how completely backward their grasp on the history Avatar referred to is.


 No.1012103

>>1012038

>>1012059

>defending bad writing/worldbuilding

tumblrina found.

>>1012044

>saying mean words about Legend of Tumblr is starting trouble

To reddit with you.


 No.1012108

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>>1012103

I wasn't defending it, I was pointing out that both of you completely missed the inspiration of the Equalist plot. On the topic of defending it though, I won't say it was well executed on the whole (especially the atrocious ending, combined with the near-total lack of followup in later books), but I will say the idea was cool, a sentiment most people including /co/ & /a/ agreed with. This is further borne out by the fact it's a common theme in Asian historical stories that's been executed well elsewhere, pics related.


 No.1012193

>>1012108

>This is further borne out by the fact it's a common theme in Asian historical stories that's been executed well elsewhere, pics related.

/co/ was talking about nuance for the antagonists. The example of Rurouni Kenshin works there because it is new replacing the old. It doesn't work for Amon since Amon was saying the spirits (older) chose him. The people were always people just divided into the four nations in a collective group under a banner and ideals. /co/ liked the Equalists because /co/ loves to be contrarian (choose between Raven and Starfire - I choose Jinx or I choose Cyborg so we can hit those showers) and because the lead characters were insufferable. The idea is X-men and doesn't work for this setting.


 No.1012203

>>1011761

>They have Jewish witers.

And? You're just as bad as those tranny faggots who whine that the only people who can write/understand/portray trans people are other trans people.

>What is The Legacy Virus

>What is The Cure

Neither are allegories for LGBT? At most you can point to it being an aids allegory, but even then, up until the 90s Aids wasn't even widely thought of as a gay thing.

>They're both vehicles to tell stories on racism/anti-Jewishness/anti-homosexuality/whatever being badwrong without outright including them in the story.

You seem to understand the concept of an allegory, but you're stuck on injecting your personal politics in it.

>Effectively any healthy man can use a gun. That's not the case for bending even in TLA.

Yeah, and Jewish people can't make fire shoot from their hands and being gay isn't hereditary. I can point out ridiculous holes in your retarded theory as well. Again, you're only forcing your theory. I'm just proposing one.

>It was a bad concept:

It wasn't. The original TLA did it multiple episodes. It was Ang's main motivation as well. You can't shit on Korra's concept without shitting on TLA as well.

>A. The Avatar was shown as having both light and darkness (the giant Aang in his vision, his rage at Appa being taken). Introducing a "dark" spirit to be Korra's nemesis as a "Dark Avatar" changes what the Avatar is.

That's a specific plot. Not a concept.

>B. Yin and Yang isn't "Good Vs Evil." It's difference and how two different forces (man and woman, cold and hot) compliement each-other.

Same

>C. Spirits in TLA were weird yet majestic beasts who also represented the wild. Having light and dark spirits changes them. To something not suitable for an Oriental setting.

Same as above.

These aren't philosophical concepts or allegories. They're just contradictions with the original plot. They also have NOTHING to do with what I said. They're POORLY EXECUTED CONCEPTS that the original series already did and did better. You're calling them shit and therefore you're calling the original TLA episodes that dealt with the same thing shit.

I'm beginning to think you're just a little bit braindead anon.

>Not really. It's obvious

It's not. It's reaching because you got a political bone to pick.

> You also don't see that Bryke are Lefties and make works that reflect their politics.

Which is exactly why I don't think they have enough skill to make a plot like you're proposing. Honestly it sounds like you're just as bad as them.

>Tell us more on how Bryke aren't Lefties.

There's some more of that reaching. I never said that, but please quote where I did. You have to be pretty dense to misunderstand what I'm saying there. I was implying that their rampant retardation and politics are why they're too retarded to make a sophisticated plot, or even a subtle one, just like you aren't capable of it because you have to make everything political apparently.

>They didn't.

Because they're shit writers. Like I said multiple times. Like you said. Like pretty much every person on /co/ said at one point. Except you seem to have this contradictory opinion that they're some masterminds who made a sorosian tier plot to indoctrinate people with a shitty kid's show that they ran into the ground because… it was shit and they couldn't write for shit. They're not smart enough to do what you're saying.

>>1012038

I was just proposing a way to tackle it and relate it to modern day. I agree that it was a great concept if they did it right, the problem is they didn't and they're incapable.


 No.1012207

>>1011533

>So was executive meddling the sole reason why Korra was so bad?

Depends on how you look at it. If there was no executive meddling it would have been probably just a capstone on TLA where you see Korra in the city Aang built doing some pro-bending and solving some problems. It would probably not have been good but not had room to be terrible. The writers certainly could have done better but they did about as well as you'd expect in the circumstances, clearly not thinking through what Nick was probably going to do. If they planned ahead more to just give the characters more depth it would have been much easier to roll with the punches. Instead they tried wrapping shit up only to get told the story needed to be extended. This is the likely source of the relationship filler since they tried to resolve character relationships by the end of s1 and s2 but then still had to write more afterward. S3 was the only season where they actually left room for development since that was the only season where they had more show to do and knew it in advance.


 No.1012228

>>1012193

>nuance for the antagonists

Right up until that mask came off, Amon was universally regarded as awesome, even Tarrlok was at least decent if a bit flat.

>Amon was saying the spirits (older) chose him

Are you sure that was Amon, not Unalaq? Regardless, it was hardly central to their characterization, since the equalists were not painted as a spiritual revivalist group, but instead as aligned with emerging industrialists and populists against a corrupt traditionalist theocracy.

>/co/ liked the Equalists because /co/ loves to be contrarian and because the lead characters were insufferable

It goes deeper than that, it was the same reason /v/ loved Republic Commando, and /tg/ loves imperial guardsmen: Average shmucks like you and me, having nothing but their trusty raifu and occasional mech-cav support to show up those arrogant jedi/space marine bastards.

>>1012203

>I was just proposing a way to tackle it and relate it to modern day.

Are you the one who compared the equalists to gun control advocates? Because that is precisely the opposite of what the equalists represented, namely, mobs of powerless people literally using tasers, airplanes, and mecha to take down ancient orders of superhumans trained since birth.


 No.1012237

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>>1011444

Wow, that looks like complete fucking ass, holy shit. Nice KANG too, he doesn't look totally fucking out of place and shoehorned in at all. I dislike the character designs too, stuck somewhere between imitation anime and Game of Thrones, looks like asshole.

I can already tell the little nigger kid is going to be completely obnoxious, and so is his retarded pet, action looks like it'll lack any kind of dynacism or weight. Fuck, I don't think I've ever lost hope in something so fast.

>>1011448

RWBY is complete shit on an animation front but that's typically due to poor cinematography, most of that show looks considerably better than this.


 No.1012332

>>1012193

/co/ liked Amon because he was like V from V for Vendetta but edgier, complete with a cool mask. He was also actually threatening to Korra who got traumatized by him. Also he almost won and only lost because of 3 bullshit asspulls in a row.

>Korra's airbending survives getting de-bent

>Korra happens to be able to knock Amon out a window into the water which washes off his face paint and only outs him as a fraud because he's dumb enough to waterbend himself dramatically instead of grabbing his mask and swimming to shore

>Aang visits Korra and somehow is able to energybend despite being just an apparition


 No.1012418

>>1011444 (checked)

That looks like shit. I'm surprised it's mostly liked despite most of the comments criticizing the bad style and low framerate.

It's sad that everyone who worked on Avatar was able to make such a great show together (with occasional mistakes here and there) but seems to fuck up any other project proceeding it either on their own or with only partial staff from Avatar.


 No.1012419

>>1012332

>Also he almost won and only lost because of 3 bullshit asspulls in a row.

Losing because of bad writing is only slightly more bad than winning because of bad writing. There was no reason for them to run away from crowds and to a place where Amon could pursue them with secret moonless bloodbending when Mako could just shoot lightning and Korra could break up the ground if they just escaped out so Amon wouldn't be able to use his powers.

>He was also actually threatening to Korra who got traumatized by him.

So was Yakone, Amon's (Noatak's) father. He was actually threatening to Amon so much so that Amon made it his mission in life to become the biggest hypocrite. But does anyone give Yakone credit? Or is it just because /co/ likes to giggle at women who let their emotions run wild?


 No.1012435

>>1012419

>Losing because of bad writing is only slightly more bad than winning because of bad writing.

Amon was winning the war regardless of what Korra and pals did. He would have won if they didn't try to take him down.


 No.1012463

>>1012228

>Are you the one who compared the equalists to gun control advocates?

No, I proposed that it would have been a better than the poor shitfest that they did or the "Th-they're just mutants!" fag.

>Because that is precisely the opposite of what the equalists represented, namely, mobs of powerless people literally using tasers, airplanes, and mecha to take down ancient orders of superhumans trained since birth.

They didn't represent that, they're literally that.


 No.1012480

>>1012228

>it was hardly central to their characterization

Amon said the spirits chose him now as the Avatar line wasn't working. It was central to the idea of Amon as he was using his gift to equalize the playing field. We never hear about how benders area corrupt traditionalist theocracy, only that gangs/triads are doing criminal acts as they are want to do. The only named person we get as an emerging industrialist and populist is Hiroshi Sato, a person who has a deep hatred towards benders because of his wife's murder. He doesn't want to make the world a better place, he wants revenge. The Equalists don't work in a setting where a child of nonbending parents can bend the elements (Toph, Katara.)


 No.1012648

>>1012545

>What was said is that the X-Men's writers Jewish background impacts their writing.

That wasn't what was said.

What was said was:

>Mutants have the strongest similiarties to Jews and the LBGTEWRO crowd (see Legacy Virus being Mutant Aids and curing Mutants being transparently conversion therapy). Xavier is a Jew who wishes to live among goyim as a superior being, Magneto a Jewish supremacist/seperatist.

Even if that was said you seem to have lost the conversation at some point because you didn't negate my point here.

>The LV was invented in the early 90s. And one book with the cure even brought up how it was like curing LBGTERO

I'm sure it did, because, again, Mutants are a stand in for all minorities and not one specific one.

>Not really. You're just in denial or missing it.

Not really. You just seem to be intentionally contrarian and ridiculously political when it's clearly not political. You're on a witch hunt.

>Yes, Mutants don't work as a stand-in for (insert victim group here) just as how benders don't work as a stand-in for guns.

Again, you missed my point. More proof you don't understand what an allegory is.

>A. TLA never outright had a "honk honk dark light spirits" episode

Exactly.

> otherwise never framed "balance" as poorly as LoK did.

Exactly.

> The Fire Nation disrupted the world's order by genocide, forcing their culture on the rest of the world, and serious pollution

Exactly. I'm honestly surprised you didn't call the Airbenders jews because the whole "A-AIRBENDERS GOT GENOCIDED THAT MEANS THEY'RE LIKE JEWS!" because you're desperately riding that train there.

>The Avatar's role in the LoK world was far different from TLA even in Book One.

Exactly.

> No longer is the Avatar a divine man who speaks for both the flesh and spirit. Instead the Avatar is more of a secular superhero.

Exactly

>Even when spirits in mass do appear, they're turned into Studio Ghibli style creatures/immigrants rather than the wild yet divine beasts beyond human affairs they were.

Exactly.

You seem to understand the basics of my point, but you don't know how to understand that a task can be accomplished well, or it can be accomplished like shit. LoK and TLA had a LOT of the same themes and concepts, the problem is LoK's execution was complete and utter ass.Their ideas weren't bad, it's just how they wrote them, executed them, and pretty much everything after preproduction was completely fuckign terrible.

>There being two manichean sides is the concept.

Yes it is. And many many media has done it before and had it been incredibly good. It's possible to have a bad guy that is quintessentially the opposite of the Avatar, but the execution of the Dark Avatar shit is retarded.

>TLA didn't try to do what LoK when it came to "balance."

because LoK had a fucked definition of the word balance, but the concept of a hero who seeks balance is something both series did.

>Nor did it try to repeatedly represent ideologies/movements from our world as villains like LoK did. The only example that comes to mind as coming close is the FN being imperialists ala the British and Japanese.

Then you're actually blind on the second part as both LoK and TLA dealt with period-accurate conflicts, the problem was how they handled it. TLA was heavily based in old timey asian politics. The entire concept of bending is based on those ideas.

>Are you from leftypol?

Nope. Glad to know you're one of those people that constantly injects their political bullshit in everything.

>They forced their politics into LoK and the show wasn't good. It's not hard.

Please. TLA had politics in it too, TLA had even more politics than LoK. They didn't mention Communism or Socialism a single time in that.


 No.1012651

>>1012547

>Pointing out that LoK's Book One turned benders into more or less Mutants really bothers you apparently.

Bothers? No. They're not really treated like mutants. The comparison is paper thin and only exists because Equalists, who aren't even a majority. Who don't have a widely accepted opinion. Who meet underground and plan attacks in secret. Unlike X-men where the superpowered people are the ones doing everything in private. They tried to do political opposites here and picked the low hanging fruit and borked it.

>There were no tensions between benders and non-benders by itself in TLA. No apparent national caste systems where benders ruled over non-benders.

Things can't change? The equalist movement mostly existed because Amon in LoK. You're talking like it HAS to have existed for years and years before LoK to even be justified in being in there.

>No apparent national caste systems where benders ruled over non-benders.

Again, things can easily change within a single generation. There was what? 100 years between TLA and Korra? I'd be bitching more at how Republic City apparently popped up out of nowhere.


 No.1012738

>>1012651

>Bothers? No. They're not really treated like mutants. The comparison is paper thin and only exists because Equalists, who aren't even a majority. Who don't have a widely accepted opinion. Who meet underground and plan attacks in secret. Unlike X-men where the superpowered people are the ones doing everything in private. They tried to do political opposites here and picked the low hanging fruit and borked it.

They share the underling idea of superpowered beings freated as an attacked minority.

>Things can't change? The equalist movement mostly existed because Amon in LoK. You're talking like it HAS to have existed for years and years before LoK to even be justified in being in there

Amon didn't have much of a proper background for his anti-bender/non-bender supremacy angle. If he doesn't (not surprisingly) have one then the Equalists can be summed up as a load of RC citizenry tried to paint their city red with the blood of benders for nothing more than plot.

>Again, things can easily change within a single generation. There was what? 100 years between TLA and Korra? I'd be bitching more at how Republic City apparently popped up out of nowhere.

Benders have been for milennia after milennia. Of the 4 Nations, only one had benders as a majority while another had a bender filled royal family. Otherwise benders had from all evidence in TLa had no higher status than non-benders. They can be found even in families with otherwise no benders. LoK never really provides a solid background for the hostility to benders in Book One. Since they forced it in .


 No.1012817

>>1012738

>They share the underling idea of superpowered beings freated as an attacked minority.

No they don't. Benders aren't a minority. And you're forgetting the whole persecution aspect of X-men, Which is a VITAL part of the x-men. Without the whole persecution part of the x-men story there is no x-men., because X-men are PRIMARILY a stand in for american minorities over the centuries. You could compare them to the irish, chinese, blacks, jews, LGBT or whatever they like to be called now. The Equalists meanwhile are the ones in the minority. They don't seem to exist outside of Republic city and a majority of people don't care about benders.

The comparison is pretty retarded. It doesn't work outside of a joke.

>Amon didn't have much of a proper background for his anti-bender/non-bender supremacy angle. If he doesn't (not surprisingly) have one then the Equalists can be summed up as a load of RC citizenry tried to paint their city red with the blood of benders for nothing more than plot.

Which is how it is badly executed.

> LoK never really provides a solid background for the hostility to benders in Book One. Since they forced it in .

Which is how it has been badly executed. Which is why the gun control idea would work wonders because you could also tackle gang violence replace the greater world war angle TLA had. Gangs act like that IRL, where they only take in people that act or look like them, they have specific traits, and they're incredibly hostile towards the outgroup. The Equalists could have easily been treated as the non-bending group who arise in popularity thanks to the increase of bending gang violence. but I'm getting off topic. Korra had good ideas, they were just all executed like ass.

What we got was a meaningless movement with no reason for existing being led by a guy whose motivations make jack fucking sense and is a cartoonishly shit villain surrounded by unlikeable heroes that are just shitty versions of TLA characters and bare minimum personality


 No.1013033

>>1012849

the water benders in the south pole were all genocided, only Katara survived


 No.1013034

>>1012237

>what kind of cute animal could I create to make tons of money with licensed merchandise?

>I know! A yellow and green slug-pug monstrosity! The kids will love it!


 No.1013035

>>1011449

>>1011448

RWBY is hot garbage but it is made by literally whos so nobody have their expectations high before watching, while The Dragon Prince is made by one of the original creators of a extremely beloved series.


 No.1013043

>>1008933

And animation fans at the time would drop their pants for anything inspired by anime


 No.1013046

>>1013043

>at the time

I don't think anything changed since the second season of Castlevania is the only upcoming western animation that I saw anyone hyped about recently


 No.1013048

>>1013033

Doesn't matter here. Nothing says waterbenders were not a minority of the population accounting for their society's ability to produce food. The Earth Kingdom and Fire Nation should have even bigger gaps between benders and non-benders considering that they should have much larger populations.

There are plenty of signs that only a minority of the world's population benders. See the Fire Nation's troops being largely non-benders.


 No.1013147

>>1013043

How is that a bad thing? I'd rather have anime-looking cartoons than the cal-arts shit we have now.


 No.1013222

>>1008613

This. I wish they'd make a story about a dragon and his endless intense desire and quest to teach humans the joys of inflation fetish.


 No.1013269

>>1013222

Hey goon.


 No.1013299

>>1013147

>I'd rather have anime-looking cartoons

I rather have something that doesnt look like shit or is trying to look like its trying to rip something off.


 No.1014528

>>1012849

>1. Benders even in TLA were a minority. See Sokka seeing his sister as weird for her bending.

And a majority of air nomads were air benders. At least half the earth kingdom were earth benders. In the fire kingdom the Fire benders were royalty. The northern water tribe they weren't uncommon either, They're considered warriors in most races and highly respectable.

Being a minority is one aspect of it. The PERSECUTED minority is the important thing. Benders aren't the persecuted minority. The anti-benders are.

>They were presented as a significant threat, pointing to there plenty of contempt for benders in RC's non-bending population.

They weren't a majority. They were an even smaller minority than the benders. They didn't use official means to accomplish their goal, and they were widely shown as terrorists and considered terrorists by pretty much everyone. As for a significant threat? NOPE. The only ones who posed an actual threat were Amon and his direct subordinates. The overwhelming majority of equalists were just riled up non benders who bought into fear mongering, which had the making for a decent plot, but again, they completely fucked all of it.

>It was a bad idea to begin with. That's the point.

Nope. Could name some very good films and television shows that use that mold of persecuted superhumans. Even X-men have good storylines involving it. You're saying "IT'S THE SAME AS THIS OTHER PROPERTY SO IT SUUUUUUUUCKS!" when your logic is totally flawed and totally retarded.

>Sicilian mobsters and other criminals like them are organized around race/ethnicity/religion. Bending in TLA isn't a race, ethnicity, or even a religion to itself.

Yeah, and Jews can't spew fire out of their mouths or lightning out of their fingers.

>That's what you get with following a bad idea. LoK wasn't a bad idea. It however definitely shouldn't have been made.


 No.1014529

>>1012847

Stop posting twice to make it look like more people are arguing.

>The writers are Jewish so they dump their Jewishness on their work.

Then why did they base a majority of their concepts and ideas on Asian ideology and theming? LoK somewhat broke from the mold, which was also pretty terrible in execution. 1920s and 1930s japan was a really amazing time period. They should have focused on it instead of the westernized idea of it.

>And they stand closer to some minorities than other

NOPE. When they were made they were concieved as a stand in for jews. They absorbed the black comparison in the 90s. Then later in the 90s they were adapted for the LGBT especially in the movies. They don't represent any minority now since they went full retard with the property and they're basically the inhumans except worse now.

>Whatever 4co.

Nice rebuttal, 4/pol/. Get that from twitter?

>No since they're Tibetans. The Fire Nation is a composite of Oriental Despotism.

The fact that you can tell the difference between that allegory but you keep forcing your own flimsy one makes me think you're literally only replying to get into a political argument.

>LoK had either different themes or changed the situation of TLA concepts.

So you admit that LoK had the same concepts but different concepts.

>Book Two's ending is transparently "borders are badwrong and tradition that restricts how progressive you can be is badwrong."

And yet that's also shown in the next season to be an absolutely bad idea and they reverse it? Kind of falls apart too considering that the border debate wasn't even that big of an issue with the left at the time period? this was in 2013. You're retroactively fitting modern political bullshit onto the show. "Everyone should get along" is a novel concept, and it should be something people at least try. But the morality of Korra was constantly contradicting itself, and you really can't pin specific moral quandaries to it anyway. Sometimes Korra is portrayed as an impulsive bitch and it works out and sometimes she loses her bending and ruins thousands of years of history. That's because the show was badly written.

>There is no situation where an "opposite" Avatar wouldn't clash with what TLA established.

There is. Opposites are a natural part of asian culture. Having a villain that's absolutely matched in every way to the protagonist is a common trope in eastern story telling.

>Not really. LoK had more of a narrative with post-Boomer angst.

You sound like you got a lot of post boomer angst.

>Putting aside the problem of forcing the Avatar's world into an imitation of the modern West

Which was a bad idea because the Avatar world is purely asian.

>the point is that LoK was transparently trying to represent ideologies like anarchism

It wasn't? Anarchism would mean anti government? Yet Korra actively works with the government. Pretty much all the main characters and good guys work with the very VERY US-like government system while all the villains seem definitely authoritarian. Sure it dabbles in it, but it's far and a way a primary theme or even a major moral stance. Korra was very very shitty with conveying anything. It was pretty badly written.

>You didn't read the interview I posted.

You didn't read the interview you posted. TLA relished in politics, maybe not as much as Korra but the entire thing was centered around a world war. Unless you mean minor first world issues that you like to inject in everything you watch.

>>1013048

>There are plenty of signs that only a minority of the world's population benders. See the Fire Nation's troops being largely non-benders.

Because fire nation benders were considered nobility and royalty. Compare to Air nomads which had a VAST majority of them were air benders, which is why the fire nation wiped them all out. In TLA a lot of earth nation benders were kidnapped and made to work on boats and were considered general labourers. There's no evidence that benders were a minority. The Fire nation killed a huge amount of them and enslaved the rest. At worst they were a very very large minority.


 No.1014542

>>1013299

>anime

>looking like shit


 No.1014616

>>1014542

the only cartoon can think of that tred to look like anime and didnt look like shit is the teen titans

japans industry is not better exactly…but the problems they face are different and the product comes out bad in a different way because of it

they get long shots of nothing happening to save frames and we get potato face…honestly idk which I hate less


 No.1014626

>>1014617

avatar didnt really look like anime

neither did mlaatr

I legit forgot about boondocks thats a good point

havnt seen thundercats you could be right


 No.1014660

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>>1014626

>avatar

>not anime looking

nigger what


 No.1014663

>>1011509

>not picking on the weak any chance you get

Sooner they get a heart attack, the better.


 No.1014664

>>1014660

It's called classic Disney, you uncultured weeab.


 No.1014762

File: 1b23db7cecc4f3d⋯.jpg (194.55 KB, 800x600, 4:3, petes-dragon-1977.jpg)

>>1009145

>dragons are edgy now

the fuck


 No.1014763

File: 388cbd00fa20c14⋯.gif (3.78 MB, 600x336, 25:14, berserk7.gif)

>>1011444

looks like fucking berserk


 No.1014913

File: 4286dd52caa987d⋯.png (309.11 KB, 1467x666, 163:74, FireShot Screen Capture #3….png)

Looks like the characters will be Korra-tier.


 No.1014917

>>1011444

0/10 no dragons


 No.1014918

>>1014763

Except worse


 No.1014921

File: ef3ac344d485bff⋯.jpg (12.58 KB, 300x168, 25:14, download.jpg)

>>1014664

Can't say I see the resemblance.


 No.1014922

>>1014921

Don't play smart, nigger. You know what inspired post-war japs to draw the way they did at low budgets.


 No.1014935

>>1014922

You're the only one being a smartass.


 No.1014995

File: dd1577e460ed2a2⋯.gif (961.44 KB, 310x212, 155:106, 1463426926380.gif)

>>1014913

>webcomic-level characterization

Just end me now


 No.1015260

File: 11dc25c0eab1722⋯.jpg (158.17 KB, 800x1054, 400:527, __komodo_dragon_kemono_fri….jpg)

Ayo where them dragons at?

No, but seriously, where are the fucking dragons? There's like zero mention from the staff since other people prefer to know more bout the filthy elfshits


 No.1015294

File: 28f149807533bda⋯.jpg (438.69 KB, 1080x1249, 1080:1249, mary sue.jpg)

>>1014913

>the youngest member of a race of people with the highest longevity is also the strongest of them

There is a very specific term for characters like these.


 No.1015343

File: 4a948d4cbd54b0b⋯.jpg (32.18 KB, 386x500, 193:250, mista4.jpg)

>>1014913

>4 fingers

fucking why?


 No.1015351

>>1014528

>And a majority of air nomads were air benders. At least half the earth kingdom were earth benders. In the fire kingdom the Fire benders were royalty. The northern water tribe they weren't uncommon either, They're considered warriors in most races and highly respectable.

Air Nomads were a monastic order with a smaller population. Nothing pointed to benders remotely being a majority in the Earth Kingdom. The royals by blood we meet are fire benders but plenty of grunts are and we see commanders and rulership like Mai's parents with no signs of bending. No caste systems either way.

>Being a minority is one aspect of it. The PERSECUTED minority is the important thing. Benders aren't the persecuted minority. The anti-benders are.

They tried and failed to present them as such.

>They weren't a majority. They were an even smaller minority than the benders. They didn't use official means to accomplish their goal, and they were widely shown as terrorists and considered terrorists by pretty much everyone. As for a significant threat? NOPE. The only ones who posed an actual threat were Amon and his direct subordinates. The overwhelming majority of equalists were just riled up non benders who bought into fear mongering, which had the making for a decent plot, but again, they completely fucked all of it.

So Amon can apparently get a major mob of RC denizens to march against Benders but he's not a significant threat. Okay.

>Nope. Could name some very good films and television shows that use that mold of persecuted superhumans. Even X-men have good storylines involving it. You're saying "IT'S THE SAME AS THIS OTHER PROPERTY SO IT SUUUUUUUUCKS!" when your logic is totally flawed and totally retarded.

You still haven't said where this tension between benders and not benders is supposed to come when it wasn't there in TLA.

>Yeah, and Jews can't spew fire out of their mouths or lightning out of their fingers.

No they can't. Which helps to make the X-Men really weak as a stand-in for minorities.

>LoK wasn't a bad idea. It however definitely shouldn't have been made.

>Shouldn't have been made

>not a bad idea


 No.1015354

File: e4500a1a25f431a⋯.jpg (131.95 KB, 850x454, 425:227, japanese bart simpson.jpg)

>>1015345

I'm not sure if she was actually suppose to have only 4 fingers or if the shading in that pic is so crappy that her pinky finger is not visible

btw the won't be able to show this on Japan because 4 fingered characters are offensive to them


 No.1015359

>>1014529

>Then why did they base a majority of their concepts and ideas on Asian ideology and theming? LoK somewhat broke from the mold, which was also pretty terrible in execution. 1920s and 1930s japan was a really amazing time period. They should have focused on it instead of the westernized idea of it.

Chris Claremont and Stan Lee are Jewish. And yeah, LOK is too Westernized.

>When they were made they were concieved as a stand in for jews. They absorbed the black comparison in the 90s. Then later in the 90s they were adapted for the LGBT especially in the movies. They don't represent any minority now since they went full retard with the property and they're basically the inhumans except worse now.

Yeah.

>The fact that you can tell the difference between that allegory but you keep forcing your own flimsy one makes me think you're literally only replying to get into a political argument.

Keep denying the Jewish link to X-Men.

>LoK had either different themes or changed the situation of TLA concepts.

>So you admit that LoK had the same concepts but different concepts.

They aren't the same. LoK is no better than The Last Jedi in how it worked to destroy its predecessor. Need I point out the far different portrayal of spirits and the Avatar?

>And yet that's also shown in the next season to be an absolutely bad idea and they reverse it?

Korra never closes the portals and the narrative maintains it was goodright. This carries over into the continuation comics.

>Kind of falls apart too considering that the border debate wasn't even that big of an issue with the left at the time period? this was in 2013. You're retroactively fitting modern political bullshit onto the show.

Multiculturalism and support for (non-White) immigration has been sacred cow of the Left for decades. Spirits are immigrants and support for them being in human lands despite how dangerous they are is Avatar's version of multiculturalism.

>"Everyone should get along" is a novel concept, and it should be something people at least try.

A sheep can't get along with a wolf.

>But the morality of Korra was constantly contradicting itself, and you really can't pin specific moral quandaries to it anyway. Sometimes Korra is portrayed as an impulsive bitch and it works out and sometimes she loses her bending and ruins thousands of years of history. That's because the show was badly written.

>There is. Opposites are a natural part of asian culture. Having a villain that's absolutely matched in every way to the protagonist is a common trope in eastern story telling.

That's called being a foil. TLA had plenty of them (Aand and Zuko, Zuko and Azula, Mai and Ty-Lee). Actually having "HONK HONK DARKNESS AVATAR" be a thing doesn't belong in Avatar. The Avatar is of both the light and dark, order and chaos.

>You sound like you got a lot of post boomer angst.

I see you're triggered.

>It wasn't? Anarchism would mean anti government? Yet Korra actively works with the government. Pretty much all the main characters and good guys work with the very VERY US-like government system while all the villains seem definitely authoritarian. Sure it dabbles in it, but it's far and a way a primary theme or even a major moral stance. Korra was very very shitty with conveying anything. It was pretty badly written.

Ignorning the Red Lotus.

>You didn't read the interview I posted.You didn't read the interview you posted. TLA relished in politics, maybe not as much as Korra but the entire thing was centered around a world war. Unless you mean minor first world issues that you like to inject in everything you watch.

The interview has Bryke admit that lead villains in LoK like the Red Lotus represent ideologies like anarchism. Fire Nation wasn't like that. The closest TLA came to that was Ba Sing Sae under the Dai-Li being kept in a state of manufactured ignorance ala the PRC.

>>1013048 (You)

>Because fire nation benders were considered nobility and royalty. Compare to Air nomads which had a VAST majority of them were air benders, which is why the fire nation wiped them all out. In TLA a lot of earth nation benders were kidnapped and made to work on boats and were considered general labourers. There's no evidence that benders were a minority. The Fire nation killed a huge amount of them and enslaved the rest. At worst they were a very very large minority.

The Earth Kingdom had a much larger population than the Air Nomads or Water Tribes, being Avatar China. They wouodn't have more benders per capita.


 No.1015384

>>1015354

They're not offensive. It's just retarded "Someone said something some time ago and western companies actually believed it." The Myth is they didn't want kids to see four fingered characters because that's related to Yakuza. It became common practice among western devs to edit it out on boxart, but only on boxart. Just like how Nip companies edit out sex and shit because they think we don't like it.


 No.1015386

>>1015351

>Air Nomads were a monastic order with a smaller population.

They were bigger than the water tribes.

>Nothing pointed to benders remotely being a majority in the Earth Kingdom. The royals by blood we meet are fire benders but plenty of grunts are and we see commanders and rulership like Mai's parents with no signs of bending.

Signs pointed to it being evenly split pretty much.

>They tried and failed to present them as such.

Except they didn't? Benders were a large part of the police force, all in the government, and not to mention "pro bending" in all it's retardation. This is your conjecture.

>So Amon can apparently get a major mob of RC denizens to march against Benders but he's not a significant threat.

No, you just didn't read.

>You still haven't said where this tension between benders and not benders is supposed to come when it wasn't there in TLA.

Things change over the course of a 100 years. Not to mention the fact that it was poorly set up to begin with. Everything in Korra was just horrendously set up.

>No they can't. Which helps to make the X-Men really weak as a stand-in for minorities.

So now you're backtracking on the X-men comparison?

>LoK wasn't a bad idea. It however definitely shouldn't have been made.

So you don't understand the concept of a good idea gone wrong? Hell, bad ideas can be executed amazingly. It all depends on the talent working on it. If Korra actually had some people with actual production talent behind it, it definitely could have been great, but it didn't and it's not, and it's unfocused, and disconected and weird, and it's not Avatar.

>>1015359

>Keep denying the Jewish link to X-Men.

I literally just explained the origin of X-men to you and all you said was "yeah". Now you're just being retarded. I think you need glasses.

>They aren't the same.

Never said they were. You're the one who saying "NO, LITERALLY EVERYTHING ABOUT LOK IS BAAAAAAAAAAD BAD BAD!" ignoring the fact that at least half of it was just retreading TLA's episodes, butchering the execution.

>LoK is no better than The Last Jedi in how it worked to destroy its predecessor. Need I point out the far different portrayal of spirits and the Avatar?

And? I never said the show was good. You're just too much of a dumbass to separate the idea from the execution.

>the narrative maintains it was goodright.

And the narrative was pretty shit as spirits were shown to wreak havoc across the world continuously. I could have sworn she closed the portal and the end of season 4. I might just be misremembering that though.

>Multiculturalism and support for (non-White) immigration has been sacred cow of the Left for decades.

It's been an american ideal for longer than that. Ever heard of a "melting pot"?

>Spirits are immigrants and support for them being in human lands despite how dangerous they are is Avatar's version of multiculturalism.

Which fails even worse than the argument does IRL.

>A sheep can't get along with a wolf.

Go tell that to Jesus.

>That's called being a foil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

How am I supposed to convey topics to you if you don't know what I'm talking about? You once again, are unable to separate the execution from the actual idea, because you're retarded.

>I see you're triggered.

I only see people who are triggered use the word triggered before.

>Ignorning the Red Lotus.

Ignoring people who are clearly portrayed as bad guys? So anarchy is portrayed as a bad thing and you're complaining about it. If you're pro Anarchy around these parts you wont get on well. Isn't there a reddit for fucks like you?

>Fire Nation wasn't like that.

Except it was? It represented japanese impieralism and politics of historic japan.

>The closest TLA came to that was Ba Sing Sae under the Dai-Li being kept in a state of manufactured ignorance ala the PRC.

You're ignoring blatantly obvious examples because you're ignorant of japanese history.

>The Earth Kingdom had a much larger population than the Air Nomads or Water Tribes, being Avatar China. They wouodn't have more benders per capita.

And that all mostly depends on genetics. The Air Nomads were MOSTLY benders. The Water tribe used to have a lot of benders as well until they were masacred. Earth and Fire Kingdom were shown to have plenty of benders as well, but the exact statistics are hard to pinpoint. Earth kingdom was definitely shown to be a very very large minority of people.


 No.1015393

>>1015386

>And that all mostly depends on genetics. The Air Nomads were MOSTLY benders. The Water tribe used to have a lot of benders as well until they were masacred.

Bending is not genetic. They made a point of this in TLA (I think it was the Mistress Wu episode) by having a pair of identical twins, one a bender and one not.


 No.1015414

>>1015384

>yakuza

Actually is because low-class workers getting ther fingers amputated by accident by doing manual labor was common and they used to get mocked for this by the noble folk

btw the most common case of this is Piccolo gaining a extra finger in the anime adaptation of Dragon Ball


 No.1015450

>>1015386

>They were bigger than the water tribes

Konietzko talked about the Air Nomads having the smallest population but the most benders per capita while the Earth Kingdom is the other way around (most populated but least benders around for their population). And that this had to do with Air Bender religion. This goes in line with an Avatar Extra for The Northern Air Temple saying that unlike the rest of the world where some of the population were benders, all Air Nomads were benders. And the now defunct official site saying Air Nomads were the most spiritual of The Four.

>Signs pointed to it being evenly split pretty much.

Avatar Extras saying only some of the population are benders (outside of Air Nomad territory) points otherwise.

>Except they didn't? Benders were a large part of the police force, all in the government, and not to mention "pro bending" in all it's retardation. This is your conjecture.

Sure it is.

>No, you just didn't read.

Okay.

>Things change over the course of a 100 years. Not to mention the fact that it was poorly set up to begin with. Everything in Korra was just horrendously set up.

So what, are benders going to invent some caste system to rule over non-benders? Please.

>So now you're backtracking on the X-men comparison

No just disrespecting Marvel writing.

> I literally just explained the origin of X-men to you and all you said was "yeah". Now you're just being retarded. I think you need glasses.

You're the one who denied how its Jewishness impacted it (namely Mutants being a stand-in for Jews with homo sapiens as goyim and Xavier VS Magneto as Assilimationism VS Zionism).

>Never said they were. You're the one who saying "NO, LITERALLY EVERYTHING ABOUT LOK IS BAAAAAAAAAAD BAD BAD!" ignoring the fact that at least half of it was just retreading TLA's episodes, butchering the execution.

I must have missed the Dark Avatar and spirits being forced into the spirit world by a dastardly human.

>And? I never said the show was good. You're just too much of a dumbass to separate the idea from the execution.

There are ideas never to be considered.

>And the narrative was pretty shit as spirits were shown to wreak havoc across the world continuously. I could have sworn she closed the portal and the end of season 4. I might just be misremembering that though.

No she didn't. The comic even admits she can close them whenever but won't out of being a social justice warrior (Spirit Refugees Welcome!!!).

>It's been an american ideal for longer than that. Ever heard of a "melting pot"?

Tell us more on how immigration wasn't restricted to Whites of good character. Or that the phrase "melting pot" wasn't peddled by a Jew.

>Which fails even worse than the argument does IRL.

Doesn't matter. The narrative says Korra keeping the portals open is goodright. The comics even have President Raiko calls out Korra for the havoc she enabled from her actions but we're meant to see him as a cowardly politician plotting against Korra.

>Go tell that to Jesus.

Go preach Cucktianity elsewhere. Also, go look up how diversity worked out for the Romans.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

>How am I supposed to convey topics to you if you don't know what I'm talking about? You once again, are unable to separate the execution from the actual idea, because you're retarded.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foil_(literature)

I can also post Wikipedia links. Anyway, tell us how the Avatar (Spirit of the World, goes from season to season, element to element, across each country, bounces from man to woman, neither just a man or spirit) is supposed to have an opposite ala Unalaq while sticking to what TLA established.

>Ignoring people who are clearly portrayed as bad guys? So anarchy is portrayed as a bad thing and you're complaining about it. If you're pro Anarchy around these parts you wont get on well. Isn't there a reddit for fucks like you?

Korra and Toph talked about the villains having good ideas but going too far. That included Zaheer so if anybody supports Anarchism it's Bryke.

>Except it was? It represented japanese impieralism and politics of historic japan.

They were a representation of Oriental Despotism. They had Showa Japanese elements but also bits from Ming China and the PRC (see the Air Nomads getting wiped out). They didn't map to an ideology like say, Anarchism, the way Korra vilains did.

>And that all mostly depends on genetics. The Air Nomads were MOSTLY benders. The Water tribe used to have a lot of benders as well until they were masacred. Earth and Fire Kingdom were shown to have plenty of benders as well, but the exact statistics are hard to pinpoint. Earth kingdom was definitely shown to be a very very large minority of people.

Avatar Site's bio for the twins from The Fortune Teller called bending not genetic. Bryke also talked about it not really being genetic (with genetics only providing the option to bend at most).


 No.1015452

>>1015393

From a tumblr blog that recorde the defunct TLA official site:

http://atla-lore-archive.tumblr.com/post/169907993450/character-the-twins-poi-and-ping-are-identical

>The only difference between them is that one is an Earthbender while the other is not, proving that bending abilities are not genetic.


 No.1015553

>>1015452

>>1015393

That doesn't prove that it's not genetic though? That just means it's not 100% a dominant gene.

>>1015450

>Konietzko talked about the Air Nomads having the smallest population but the most benders per capita while the Earth Kingdom is the other way around

Okay, I'll give you that.

>So what, are benders going to invent some caste system to rule over non-benders? Please.

You're not reading again.

>No just disrespecting Marvel writing.

It doesn't seem like you understand writing in general.

>You're the one who denied how its Jewishness impacted it

I never denied it. If anything I'm the only one being completely honest about how X-men were incredibly jewish starting out.

>I must have missed the Dark Avatar and spirits being forced into the spirit world by a dastardly human.

Now you're just not making any sense.

>There are ideas never to be considered.

Nope.

>No she didn't. The comic even admits she can close them whenever but won't out of being a social justice warrior

You ignored my second point.

>Tell us more on how immigration wasn't restricted to Whites of good character. Or that the phrase "melting pot" wasn't peddled by a Jew.

Okay, I wont. Please keep telling me about your historical revisionism where Christians weren't considered filthy, ungodly degenerates by the then culture of england and came over in hopes of finding freedom from oppression and oligarchies. America was always designed to be for anyone and everyone who could make their way in america. But yes, please keep telling me a history you don't understand.

>The narrative says Korra keeping the portals open is goodright.

The narrative means shit when it's not well presented. You could make the most blatant propaganda piece and then have it backfire because you too realistically portrayed all the problems with your point instead of all the good things about it. Korra fell into this a lot, where they seemed more eager to have conflict instead of have a decent coherent story line like TLA.

>Go preach Cucktianity elsewhere. Also, go look up how diversity worked out for the Romans.

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were a member of the athiesm+ community.

>I can also post Wikipedia links.

And?

>Anyway, tell us how the Avatar (Spirit of the World, goes from season to season, element to element, across each country, bounces from man to woman, neither just a man or spirit) is supposed to have an opposite ala Unalaq while sticking to what TLA established.

Why do I have to tell you?

>Korra and Toph talked about the villains having good ideas but going too far. That included Zaheer so if anybody supports Anarchism it's Bryke.

That's pretty much every ideology though? None are good in their purest form.

> They didn't map to an ideology like say, Anarchism, the way Korra vilains did.

They did, just not as poorly to the point you noticed it. Korra was just a bad TV show with bad writing, and bad people behind it who can't slap a decent character together for shite.

>Avatar Site's bio for the twins from The Fortune Teller called bending not genetic. Bryke also talked about it not really being genetic (with genetics only providing the option to bend at most).

And? Bryke also say LoK is canon. Pretty much the only 100% reliable canon is the show with everything else taking priority under it and the show gives plenty enough to show that it's hereditary rather than at complete random.


 No.1015633

Could you two get a room?


 No.1015771

>>1015633

Only if you join us :3


 No.1015805

>>1015553

>You're not reading again

So no.

> It doesn't seem like you understand writing in general

Defending Marvel writing?

>Now you're just not making any sense

LOK repeatedly introduced elements at odds with TLA.

>You ignored my second point

We're meant to see the portals kept open as goodright. Regardless of damage from spirits.

>Okay, I wont. Please keep telling me about your historical revisionism where Christians weren't considered filthy, ungodly degenerates by the then culture of england and came over in hopes of finding freedom from oppression and oligarchies

They were rejected so they made a country for themselves. Nothing about social justice.

>America was always designed to be for anyone and everyone who could make their way in america. But yes, please keep telling me a history you don't understand.

>We Wuz Multicultural N SHEETT

Go look up what happened to the Redskins, Jim Crow, Irish bashing, etc. Or Ben Franklin's commnents on immigrants. Immigration was restricted to the right Whites still.

By the way, name a civilization with vastly different groups within contact towards each-other thad no conflict without using coercion.

>The narrative means shit when it's not well presented. You could make the most blatant propaganda piece and then have it backfire because you too realistically portrayed all the problems with your point instead of all the good things about it. Korra fell into this a lot, where they seemed more eager to have conflict instead of have a decent coherent story line like TLA.

Book 3 showed opening portals let the Air Nomads have much more numbers. That's one example of what makes keeping the portals open goodright.

>I'm sorry, I didn't know you were a member of the athiesm+ community.

>athieism+ isn't filled with cucks

Anyway, I'll wait for you to show Jesus advocate refugees and multiculturalism. And also tell how divsrsity worked out for Romans.

>And?

There's a difference between being Aang's foil ala Zuko and being Korra's darkness counterpart ala Unalaq.

>Why do I have to tell you?

To show you can back up your talk. If you can't then no, having a Dark Avatar inherently doesn't doesn't belong in the setting.

>That's pretty much every ideology though? None are good in their purest form

None of them besides Kuvira had a remotely legit case for their actions .

>And? Bryke also say LoK is canon. Pretty much the only 100% reliable canon is the show with everything else taking priority under it and the show gives plenty enough to show that it's hereditary rather than at complete random.

It wasn't a matter of being herediatary. Bending ability was linked to spirtuality. Katara for example was from all evidence more spiritual than her brother Sokka (hence being able to see the Painted Lady).


 No.1015807

Fuck off already you stupid autistic faggots.


 No.1015880

>>1008612

Every time I see that dragon from the thumbnail in the catalog I think it's a mi-go or Ebrietas.


 No.1015890

>>1015880

I keep thinking it's Aku.


 No.1016396

>>1015805

>So no.

No one ever brought up caste systems but you.

>Defending Marvel writing?

I like how you immediately jump to "Y-you're just defending" arguments when someone else criticizes your inability to understand basic things.

>LOK repeatedly introduced elements at odds with TLA.

Pretty much. It was a poorly written show.

>We're meant to see the portals kept open as goodright.

And they fucked that up royally, they assume you have sympathy for the spirits, they assume that you like Korra, and they assume that the viewers think Korra can do no wrong. If even one of these things doesn't line up right with the viewer it seems like a complete asinine decision. Which is why it's so conflicting within the whole show because the morals are all wonky and the actual message is lost in the retarded writing.

>They were rejected so they made a country for themselves. Nothing about social justice.

Yes, this 200+ year old occurrence has nothing to do with a modern understanding of the understanding of those two words.

>Go look up what happened to the Redskins, Jim Crow, Irish bashing, etc. Or Ben Franklin's commnents on immigrants. Immigration was restricted to the right Whites still.

I already know all about it.

>By the way, name a civilization with vastly different groups within contact towards each-other thad no conflict without using coercion.

Moving goalposts here. Pretty much impossible because recent history is marred with multiple civilizations rising and falling and warring over any little thing.

This is like asking to name a civilization with modern cellphones. Multiculturalism in general is a very very modern concept.

I'll bite the bait here, Multiculturalism is only a problem because it's promoted and idealized to the point it overwhelms the indigenous culture. Without it we wouldn't have a shitton of things ranging from ethnic food to international imports like video games, music, or even comics. Avatar itself is a result of multiculturalism and cultural appreciation/appropriation. The thing about it is you need to retain your own culture. If anyone wants to be a part of your country, they need to integrate.

>That's one example of what makes keeping the portals open goodright.

It also made the villain and fucked pretty much everyone and gave us more unlikeable cunt characters.

>Anyway, I'll wait for you to show Jesus advocate refugees and multiculturalism.

You jump back on topic when the banter gets too rough for you?

>There's a difference between being Aang's foil ala Zuko and being Korra's darkness counterpart ala Unalaq.

There is, and it's how it was portrayed and written.

>To show you can back up your talk.

Except it wouldn't back it up? You could easily just bitch "That doesn't count" or "that is stupid" and it'd accomplish nothing. You're the one shitting on basic concepts.

>None of them besides Kuvira had a remotely legit case for their actions .

Because Korra is a shit show.

>It wasn't a matter of being herediatary. Bending ability was linked to spirtuality. Katara for example was from all evidence more spiritual than her brother Sokka (hence being able to see the Painted Lady).

So you're saying that the avatar universe functions on the idea of a blank slate? Because it is clearly a hereditary thing because if not then becoming an "avatar" would be incredibly simple and there would be countless people running around with multiple bending powers. You're saying that a child can't be genetically predisposed to a specific type of behavior that they inherited from their parents.


 No.1016440

>>1016396

>Korra is a shit show.

And water is wet


 No.1016554

>>1016483

>The point is there not only wasn't tension between benders and not benders but benders weren't even treated as a seperate race (there was no segregation, difference in appearence, no seperate laws).

Because it was poorly set up, badly written, and made little to no sense. Welcome to Korra.

>You're the one defending.

Not from my perspective.

>Yeah.

Yeah.

>You're the one talking about how America was always meant for anybody who migrates to it instead of the right Whites.

Yeah, anglo-saxon british whites. Not Irish, italians, swedes, danes, or white passing spanish, cubans, or any other race that later immigrated and integrated properly. Of course you probably mean those filthy darkies and mexicans. You mean that specific point in history AFTER we got over the prejudice against non-british born whites but BEFORE we got rid of our prejudice against african born and mexican born people.

>You could just look up the Romans

Or you could stay on topic. IE: You're a dumbass fag who thinks basic literary concepts and ideas are bad.

>So what, we're not supposed to condenmn Korra for it.

No one said that but you.

>There was no Vaatu or Dark Avatars in TLA.

It's hard to find shit characters in Avatar, yes.

>So no then.

Yes

>No super bender genes.

Not the point.

>Nothing about benders being Mutants.

there was a lot of contradiction in that even in TLA, like if it's a learned skill then multiple avatars SHOULD exist. but if it's a genetic trait, like hair color or eye color then it explains almost everything, like how one person can only bend one element, how two kids of a fire bender and an earth bender can have one of each child for a bender, even if you wholly subscribe to the spirituality excuse then connection to the spirit world can be an inherited trait, just like how children inherit base personality traits from their parents. If a person is inherently attuned then it is an inheritable trait. And therefor it is also subject to culture and social breeding and can pretty much explain most of the discrepencies in the bender/nonbender ratios.

There is literally nothing in Avatar pointing towards it being a mutation. Avatar isn't X-men.


 No.1017198

Just fuck already, you two.


 No.1017469

>>1016554

>Because it was poorly set up, badly written, and made little to no sense. Welcome to Korra.

We have nonbenders as governers, medics, merchants, teachers, engineers, etc. Even the Fire Nation has nonbenders as sidekicks for their adored princess. Only the Air Nomads had something like a seperation and they were just benders. Face it, LoK invented the bender vs nonbender junk for Edge/

>Yeah, anglo-saxon british whites. Not Irish, italians, swedes, danes, or white passing spanish, cubans, or any other race that later immigrated and integrated properly. Of course you probably mean those filthy darkies and mexicans. You mean that specific point in history AFTER we got over the prejudice against non-british born whites but BEFORE we got rid of our prejudice against african born and mexican born people.

>He non-ironically supports multiculuralism

>He pretends Wops and Potatoniggers didn't chimpout

>Or you could stay on topic. IE: You're a dumbass fag who thinks basic literary concepts and ideas are bad.

The Romans collapsed with help from diversity. And ideas can be trash.

>No one said that but you.

>being in denial at Korra being an author's pet

>there was a lot of contradiction in that even in TLA, like if it's a learned skill then multiple avatars SHOULD exist.

Most of humanity isn't the world's spirit.

>but if it's a genetic trait, like hair color or eye color then it explains almost everything, like how one person can only bend one element, how two kids of a fire bender and an earth bender can have one of each child for a bender, even if you wholly subscribe to the spirituality excuse then connection to the spirit world can be an inherited trait, just like how children inherit base personality traits from their parents.

Official sources called or hinted at it as non-genetic. At most, it was only genetic to point.

>If a person is inherently attuned then it is an inheritable trait. And therefor it is also subject to culture and social breeding and can pretty much explain most of the discrepencies in the bender/nonbender ratios.

Airbenders.


 No.1017477

>>1017469

>We have nonbenders as governers, medics, merchants, teachers, engineers, etc. Even the Fire Nation has nonbenders as sidekicks for their adored princess. Only the Air Nomads had something like a seperation and they were just benders. Face it, LoK invented the bender vs nonbender junk for Edge/

If it was for the edge it would have been edgier. They invented it because it was an easy concept to write. It could have easily been set up a hundred times better and a hundred times more believably, but they didn't.

Because like all things LoK it was badly written, barely set up, and made little to no sense.

>He pretends Wops and Potatoniggers didn't chimpout

Chances are you're not purebred english either, anon. The people of America, especially the white americans haven't identified through their country of origin for years upon year. If people of america had latched onto their cultural heritage like BLM fags do then we wouldn't be America, we would be "Britain 2: no Irish allowed"

>And ideas can be trash.

You're right. But again, you're changing the topic because your point is so bumfucking retarded that you can't actually fight for it so you have to shift it constantly. Clearly your parents having you was a great example of a bad idea.

>>being in denial at Korra being an author's pet

Oh no, she totally is. But once again you're too retarded to understand what I'm actually talking about. I never said you weren't supposed to condemn Korra.

>Official sources called or hinted at it as non-genetic.

>B-blank slate theory is true, g-guys!

SJWs would love you. You believe in all their retarded disproven theories.

>Airbenders.

Except it explains them too? In fact if anything they prove it's genetic. For such a "spriritually enlightened race" they still had non benders. In fact even in Korra all of Tenzin's kids were air benders despite the fact he had a non bending wife. Also if it isn't genetiv how do you explain how air bending died with the air nomads? If it was a learned skill or ability then what's it based on? You say spirituality but you know how absolutely flimsy it is?

If you deny a genetic component then there's nothing stopping a new air bender being born to two earth benders.


 No.1017502

>>1017477

>If it was for the edge it would have been edgier. They invented it because it was an easy concept to write. It could have easily been set up a hundred times better and a hundred times more believably, but they didn't.

>LoK wasn't edgy

It was not only trying to be edgy but trying to be "relevant" to today's "current issues." And you didn't address nonbenders having really lost nothing to benders in society.

>Chances are you're not purebred english either, anon. The people of America, especially the white americans haven't identified through their country of origin for years upon year. If people of america had latched onto their cultural heritage like BLM fags do then we wouldn't be America, we would be "Britain 2: no Irish allowed"

The least dysfunctional lands on Earth have been homogenous.

>You're right. But again, you're changing the topic because your point is so bumfucking retarded that you can't actually fight for it so you have to shift it constantly. Clearly your parents having you was a great example of a bad idea.

You're the one denying LoK's ideas like forcing in soke X-Men style conflict and a Dark Avatar weren't bad ideas.

>Oh no, she totally is. But once again you're too retarded to understand what I'm actually talking about. I never said you weren't supposed to condemn Korra.

You're supposed to see she's a shiny paragon of goodright (she even has a light and peace spirit) that meanies like Raiko are mean to. Keeping the portals is one example of how you're supposed to see how goodright she is. Tenzin even says all of the disasters Korra enabled to happen are okay since she learned from it all.

>SJWs would love you. You believe in all their retarded disproven theories.

You know that it was established in TLA that bending elements was taught by beasts and the heavens? How is it total genetic? Did they give humans bender genes for each element?

>Except it explains them too? In fact if anything they prove it's genetic. For such a "spriritually enlightened race" they still had non benders.

Air Nomads didn't have nonbenders. And it was pinned on their spirituality and population size.

>In fact even in Korra all of Tenzin's kids were air benders despite the fact he had a non bending wife.

Legend of Korra retconned what bending was from TLA established. Retconned its source and treated it more like Mutant powers than martial art traditions.

>Also if it isn't genetiv how do you explain how air bending died with the air nomads?

They killed everybody who could teach their tradition besides Aang.


 No.1017952

>>1017502

>It was not only trying to be edgy but trying to be "relevant" to today's "current issues."

Except neither of those became mainstream issues until 2015.

>And you didn't address nonbenders having really lost nothing to benders in society.

This is word salad.

>The least dysfunctional lands on Earth have been homogenous.

Because societies can't function when literally everyone wants to believe in something different, want different ideologies, and different religions. A country needs a baseline ideology that all the people can believe in. When too many people believe in different things it gets messy.

>You're the one denying LoK's ideas like forcing in soke X-Men style conflict and a Dark Avatar weren't bad ideas.

Well, it wasn't an x-men style conflict in the least. You keep saying that but it only makes me think you've never picked up anything x-men in your life. Dark Avatar wasn't, you even said that the foil is a concept as old as time.

>You know that it was established in TLA that bending elements was taught by beasts and the heavens?

TLA framed them as myths. Even Korra contradicts that with the Lion Turtle bullshit. If Korra is considered at all that's not true, but if TLA is considered by itself, it's still a myth, and not a fact.

> Did they give humans bender genes for each element?

How would I know? I'm just pointing out that it's clearly a genetic thing.

>Air Nomads didn't have nonbenders. And it was pinned on their spirituality and population size.

I swear there was an episode that addressed this, it's been so long since I watched it though that I can't site it. Either way, it doesn't disprove the "non genetic" factor. Evolution naturally brings desireable traits to the forefront. Air Benders could have just bred out non benders.

>Legend of Korra retconned what bending was from TLA established. Retconned its source and treated it more like Mutant powers than martial art traditions.

Except it didn't? You're lying here. The whole Lion turtle thing is complete bullshit because TLA's explanation made it intrinsically attached to the martial arts style. The Lion Turtle thing was just some gift bullshit and divorces it from it's martial arts inspiration. It was no longer a discipline, just something magical floating turtles could give willy nilly.

>They killed everybody who could teach their tradition besides Aang.

And Aang couldn't just teach air bending to some non bender? If it's not tied what so ever to genetics literally ANYONE could be a bender at ANY element if they trained for it. There's literally nothing stopping multiple people with multiple bending powers from popping up.

It's absolutely retarded to deny that there is a genetic component to it. Even with the "Bending is only for the spiritual" excuse you keep throwing out, it still HAS to be partially genetic otherwise anyone would be able to bend ANY element if they trained for it, Basic bending isn't that hard, we're shown PLENTY of prepubescent and preteen kids with bending powers.


 No.1017967

>>1017952

>Except neither of those became mainstream issues until 2015.

Communism and/or waycism are way older than 2015.

>This is word salad.

Name a single society with both benders and non-benders in TLA where benders had a higher status.

>Because societies can't function when literally everyone wants to believe in something different, want different ideologies, and different religions. A country needs a baseline ideology that all the people can believe in. When too many people believe in different things it gets messy.

Except it's not down to "belief." Humans by biology scorn those outside of the tribe.

>Well, it wasn't an x-men style conflict in the least. You keep saying that but it only makes me think you've never picked up anything x-men in your life.

Does the X-Men have superpowerd humans as an "indentity" Y/N?

Focus on normie humans being mean to the Mutants Y/N?

>Dark Avatar wasn't, you even said that the foil is a concept as old as time.

Yeah. A foil. Not "AN AVATAR BUT IS ALL DARK" in LoK.

Aang to Zuko (cheery trickster and a grim warrior). Zuko to Azula (Ozai's whupping boy and Ozai's favorite). Sokka and Katara to Jet and Hama (all suffered at the hands of the Fire Nation). Those are proper foils. Not Vaatulaq or whatever the bad character is called.

>TLA framed them as myths. Even Korra contradicts that with the Lion Turtle bullshit. If Korra is considered at all that's not true, but if TLA is considered by itself, it's still a myth, and not a fact.

An episode has Aang and Zuko track down some dragons to learn/relearn firebending from its ancient teachers.

>How would I know? I'm just pointing out that it's clearly a genetic thing.

Not enough for there to be a lack of a ruling bender caste.

>I swear there was an episode that addressed this, it's been so long since I watched it though that I can't site it. Either way, it doesn't disprove the "non genetic" factor. Evolution naturally brings desireable traits to the forefront. Air Benders could have just bred out non benders.

How? Benders in TLA weren't richer, more healthier, etc.

>Except it didn't? You're lying here. The whole Lion turtle thing is complete bullshit because TLA's explanation made it intrinsically attached to the martial arts style. The Lion Turtle thing was just some gift bullshit and divorces it from it's martial arts inspiration. It was no longer a discipline, just something magical floating turtles could give willy nilly.

Amon's bloodbending disabled bending by attacking the bender's head. It made bending more "physical." Bending was treated as more or less just superpowers ala the X-Men. It's spiritual significance gone or warped.

>And Aang couldn't just teach air bending to some non bender? If it's not tied what so ever to genetics literally ANYONE could be a bender at ANY element if they trained for it. There's literally nothing stopping multiple people with multiple bending powers from popping up.

Aang in TLA didn't have the time to take on disciples. Post-TLA there shouldn't be really anything ruling out Aang starting a tradition using those devoted to the Air Nomad's ways. Who in time might achieve major Airbending (if only with some benders from other countries). LoK went with the "Benders are Mutants" interpretation so they needed Korra's screwup with the portals to have enough air benders.

>It's absolutely retarded to deny that there is a genetic component to it. Even with the "Bending is only for the spiritual" excuse you keep throwing out, it still HAS to be partially genetic otherwise anyone would be able to bend ANY element if they trained for it, Basic bending isn't that hard, we're shown PLENTY of prepubescent and preteen kids with bending powers.

Didn't say it had nothing to do with blood. It's just not at the top of the list.


 No.1019611

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

New Trailer is out, looking a lot better.


 No.1019619

>>1019611

So are the dragons and/or elves the dindus? Looks like it.


 No.1019623

File: 8efdd00ec1a2f6e⋯.jpg (18.86 KB, 621x414, 3:2, pepe-kkx--621x414@LiveMint.jpg)

>>1019611

Still has a lot of laggy low-FPS moments

>0:51

Ok, that was inexcusable, this actually looks like the fruit of a poor artistic choice rather than sheer incompetence, which is a shame because the story actually looks interesting now but the animation style totally kills it


 No.1019648

>Humans/Whitey is evul

>The Dragons/Muds/Elves dindu nuffin

There I spoiled the plot.


 No.1019876

File: d39f2c4f3bf3079⋯.jpeg (47.28 KB, 425x561, 25:33, 6d93bafe92fca46559ba49d2b….jpeg)

>>1019611

Oh I see, the humans have a Kang to show it's all of hew-manatee's fault, not just the white guy's. How considerate of them.


 No.1019889

>>1019611

>00:45

Not only was the joke horrid, but the sound is fucked as well.

>>1019623

>Still has a lot of laggy low-FPS moments

This, seems like its running in 15 fps or has high frame latency.


 No.1019894

>>1019876

Even the Kang and Niglet are obviously being presented paragons of humanity. Magic/Noble Negro.


 No.1019944

File: 5b0e5569695a173⋯.jpg (39.06 KB, 600x584, 75:73, alberto barbosa.jpg)

>>1019611

>literally Alberto Barbosa: the animated series


 No.1019958

>>1019611

I haven't watched the video but I can see in the thumbnail that the mc is an effeminate looking faggot


 No.1019971

File: 0d294d4bef4f739⋯.png (122.04 KB, 398x309, 398:309, nojinho.png)

>>1019611

The fourth season of RWBY had the same technical quality as this and probably had a much smaller budget.


 No.1019986

>>1019976

That something with the name of one of the original creators of ATLA is expected to look significantly better than a shitty pseudo-anime made by a bunch of nobodies


 No.1020036

>>1019986

Aaron Ehasz was a writer on a fluke show. Not the main force behind it. Him working with others to produce a good show doesn't make him capable of spearheading another.


 No.1020224

>>1019611

Dragon's egg?


 No.1020267

Official reminder Ehasz said Korra is good.


 No.1020282

>>1008727

When did he say he liked Korra?


 No.1020283

File: 26418a5906733e9⋯.webm (2.34 MB, 428x240, 107:60, tron up.webm)

>>1019611

It's a more coherent trailer, but the animation is still really shit. Just compare it to Tron Uprising, that had the same animation style. The difference is like night and day.


 No.1020376

>>1019894

I have the feeling Kang is basically the "Avatar Roku" will have done something really shitty in the past that he regrets heavily. My guess is he was the one who killed the Dragon King, or at least landed the killing blow.


 No.1022317

Show is pretty much what Avatar would be if it was western fantasy and made by Netflix in the current year.

It's relatively light on "Current Year"-ness so far for a show by Netflix, but the tall manly deaf-mute "badass" warrior general cool aunt character with the scar and cropped hair doing an entire scene of just her doing untranslated sign language in front of the camera toward what appears to be a shrine to her dead lesbian lover felt like a red flag.


 No.1022344

>>1020282

>>1020267

I'm going play devil's advocate here, and propose a theory: he pretty much had to praise it.

Think about it. Executives do not give half a flying fuck about the quality of the show, but rather the money it makes. The first show was a hit, so they want to continue milking that franchise, while spending as little money as possible. They don't give a shit if they run it into the ground, there's never a shortage of stuff to ruin if all you care about is money.

And now imagine you're the guy who made the original. Oh sure, the new one sucks, but what are you going to do? While you have your fans, you're don't exactly have Kubrick's talent or Tarantino's numerous fanbase, so you can't get away with doing and saying whatever the fuck you want. If you openly insult it, not only you make an enemy of the people making it, but you're labeled as a person who interferes with franchise milking among the suits, and you're pretty much guaranteed you won't ever get sponsored to make your own stuff ever again. If you ignore the new show, that would speak even worse of it.

So, to keep his career and ability to work, he pretty much had to praise it.


 No.1022367

>>1022317

Pff, it was her sister and not her 'dead lesbian lover'.

The signing must have been complicated to animate but it seemed to have paid off, I personally think it's new and kinda cool to see a deaf character in a cartoon.


 No.1022446

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>The dragon prince

That's not blatant at all.


 No.1023671

>>1014913

>Moonshadow elf

Christ that sounds so fucking bad already. You can't have a group of people with a name that fucking long it sound like shit in conversation.


 No.1023674

>>1023671

Simple solution for elf and drow faggots in actual DnD is just to have their faggy elf name in elven and then have a nickname like everybody else. This isn't new either, that shits been standard since the 70s, even for fucking marysues like Drizzt.

These people have the writing skills of the bottom tier authors from the 50s before people were widely aware of what shit writing looked like and deliberately avoided its conventions even if they were shit.


 No.1023676

>One human mage created dark magic

<Elves proceed to drive out every single human from their shared homeland

>Humans waged war to get back their homeland and killed the Dragon King

>Elves retaliate by sending a group of assassins after the human king

Why didn't this happen sooner? How the hell did the humans ever managed to kill the Dragon King and robbed his house when they can't even stop a bunch of invisible elves?

>Evil vizier wants the throne

<Keeps the King alive

>White boy MC isn't really white

>Writers specifically said that he's half Asian mongrel

Having a black king of an European-based nation just isn't SJW enough for them.

>White boy MC is voiced by Sokka's VA

>His black kid brother is voiced by Aang's VA

Fucking kill yourself, Aaron Ehasz.

>>1023671

I'm pretty sure that's one of the custom races for TES Oblivion.

>>1023675

>TLA was just a fluke

I have a hard time believing that something so concisely well-written is a fluke. They might have hired a ghostwriter or something.


 No.1023701

>>1023676

>I have a hard time believing that something so concisely well-written is a fluke.

Three possible explanations.

One: The three of them in one room cancelled out their bad habits.

Two: Some people have one good story, usually that they have been developing for years, in them. Last Airbender was their story.

Three: They somehow got the right people involved, where if you start going down the directing credits, you start to recognize more and more names on key episodes like The Drill.


 No.1023800

>>1008612

oh look, another fake anime


 No.1023871

File: ad5b72748fc2c0f⋯.jpg (46.38 KB, 576x432, 4:3, Ishmahri2.jpg)

>>1014913

>Moonshadow elf

OK now they're just ripping off Dragon Quest 8.


 No.1023928

>>1023888

>We can't show blood on screen

Why not? It's a show on a streaming service, why do a show about war, medieval war no less, and not show blood? That's a severe handicap, I can't take any fights with bladed weapons seriously because I know nobody is going to actually be hurt when they're used.


 No.1023931

>European style clothes

>European style architecture

>European style weapons and armor

>European style mythology

>European style culture and societies

>Filled with brown people for some reason

>The KANG is an actual KANG

How can anyone even watch this anti-white propaganda.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was some sort of refugee subplot.


 No.1023934

>>1023931

This is literally why I didn't bother to watch it.


 No.1023936

>>1023928

Something something school shooters.


 No.1023942

File: c914724f9c9062f⋯.jpg (58.22 KB, 632x822, 316:411, joan d'arc.jpg)

File: faa08e2658f6639⋯.jpg (113.69 KB, 640x960, 2:3, lancelot.jpg)

File: 1acec005c185d54⋯.jpg (75.44 KB, 640x646, 320:323, black achilles.jpg)

>>1023931

At least it's a fictional story that takes place fictional world, now something like pic related is truly inexcusable


 No.1023944

File: 7814e0cb44f49a1⋯.jpg (201.81 KB, 1100x619, 1100:619, 001_size8.jpg)

>>1019611

>that frame rate

jesus christ it literally ruins everything; the fps shifts randomly too.

it's mind-boggling that they had many cel shaded anime to look at for reference since they're known to like anime


 No.1023947

>>1023942

Gotta love that first picture. Just a picture of some black girl and it's -IN CHARACTER- as JOAN OF ARC. Good lord.


 No.1023957

File: c0200992eb368e3⋯.png (1.15 MB, 1200x1200, 1:1, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1023652

>One of the three main characters doesn't offer anything to the team besides have a frog and carry the egg around

He's a goddamn cutie tho


 No.1023963

>>1023942

Uh, Lancelot is fictional too

Just saying


 No.1023965

>>1023963

But the country where his story takes place is not.


 No.1023967

>>1023957

If only all mutt boys looked like that.


 No.1023971

>>1023963

I know you're baiting, but "being fictional" didn't stop chimpouts over Scatlett Johasson playing Ghost in the Shell's Makoto, all the White actors in The Last Airbender. Even that Exodus movie from a few years ago got SJWs and Kunta Kintes yelling about Egypt wuznt White.

Whitewashing is in the end about getting Whitey out of film/vidya/television/etc. Nothing other than that.


 No.1023972

>>1023957

They had to make him look as non-Nigger as doable.


 No.1023976

>>1023973

Dunno, I'd totally watch a movie about some badass african warlord, it wouldn't be that much different than movies about vikings warmongering


 No.1023998

>>1023973

>Whites have no culture.

Leave it to niggers to equate squatting in mud huts and shoving plates in your lips to 'culture'. Fucking cunts, this show wouldn't even fucking have a setting without white culture.

>>1023976

Vikings have a better aesthetic and belief system. An actual culture all their own, niggers just nig.


 No.1024027

File: e8276845a51ef2e⋯.jpg (245.98 KB, 1800x940, 90:47, World[1].jpg)

>>1023942

>>1023931

Were you guys busy jacking off during the intro or something? In the show, humans are distributed throughout the continent but the elves shoved them all into the western half. It'd be like you took everybody in Europe and Africa and shoved them into Asia.


 No.1024030

>>1024027

>The king is a Kang

>All of the villain humans are obviously White

Whatever you say leftypol.


 No.1024196

File: c97228cad619e3a⋯.jpg (8.73 KB, 250x242, 125:121, spongebob cringing.jpg)

>>1019611

>0:41

Holy fuck that was an Amy Schumer-tier joke

Does the entire show has this level of female comedian humor?


 No.1024227

>>1023931

>muh huwite people

Who cares. The dumb thing is if they want a fantasy setting full of nigs they should bother to do something that's not medieval Yurop for once and include African culture, but I guess that's "cultural appropriation" or whatever.


 No.1024246

>>1024054

>while every white character besides one is pure evil

That's a complete lie, the KANG went along with all the anti-dragon fuckery he just has doubts and he pisses all over his friendship with the evil white wizard who was going to take his place and die for him all because he's freaking out over dark magic.

The only evil guy is the white wizard, his children are good but dumb and obedient to their father to a fault. Even the evil wizard was wholly willing to die for his friend until he humiliated him.

The diversity is unnecessary and harmful to the story as it makes it harder to consider it seriously but there definitely wasn't a set up of whites bad blacks good. However on the larger scale it's the same story told again and again, even in jap media like helck, where evil industrial humans (westerners/whites) conquer nature and magical savages have to beat them back and rein them in (superpowered natives/elves). Every time they mentioned they were pragmatists before doing something badwrong I rolled my eyes, the noble savage myth is relentless (We even saw in ATLA with the original firebenders).

In that lane it's very much:

>white technology white society is evil

>we'll be better if we roll the clock back

>the only crime of the savages is they hate whites too much

I see nothing inherently wrong with dark magic in this story either which makes the elven reaction to it seem ridiculous. Using magical animals is no different than harvesting and hunting regular animals. If we had a serious show it'd be that magical low breeding races are afraid of hyper breeding humans outpacing them technologically so they cripple their advancement.


 No.1024270

>>1024196

>>1019611

>Shitty punchline joke

>Shows that the writers such at humorous banter

Why even put that shit in a trailer that's trying to sell the show as a serious and engaging fantasy show?


 No.1024304

>>1024265

The humans who preceded them were hyper advanced and tried to harvest essentially the same energy source.


 No.1024316

>>1023942

You know the funny thing is that there was already a black Arthurian character, a le 56% one to be precise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feirefiz


 No.1024566

So DP is crap?


 No.1027465

File: d7835d96b7054f9⋯.jpg (536.62 KB, 2048x2048, 1:1, Dow1YrdUwAAzrL5.jpglarge.jpg)


 No.1027544

File: da4a9d13f0f9f2a⋯.jpg (325.03 KB, 2048x2048, 1:1, teach.jpg)

Claudia x Rayla. When?


 No.1027545

>>1027465

So is this a proper Season 2 that just got greenlit quickly, or is this netflix fuckery where they produced half a season and released it while they finished post-production stuff on the next batch of episodes to call it a second season?


 No.1027779

>>1019611

Why is everyone saying this is anime? These character designs look nothing like anime.


 No.1027786

>>1027779

These days if it's not a bean, it's anime.


 No.1027811

>>1027545

It's probably the latter.

Everyone's just trying to figure out what the optimal time between episodes is.

If you can get half the episodes out twice as often, maybe that will help with engagement.


 No.1027929

File: 83e05b68fb6d7cb⋯.jpg (116.81 KB, 750x1061, 750:1061, teach.jpg)

>>1027784

??


 No.1027931

>>1027865

>humans are white when they're ruled over by a literal kang and elves have Scottish accents and went all "trail of tears" on the humans.


 No.1027948

>>1023652

>Mute captain

She is a combat general and also sister of the queen of a fantasy kingdom in the middle of a war.

One would think that she'd have been assasinated by elves or magically healed by now.


 No.1027951

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>>1027948

Propping up characters that are deaf or mute is the new virtue signalling for the disabled. Magic autism, or the clinically insane doesn't cut it anymore. Blind characters generally get magic sight that isn't sight like Daredevil, and physically disabled get something to negate it.


 No.1027952

>>1027951

Is it more racist if you make the black person even blacker?


 No.1027972

>>1027951

I don't mind the idea of a deaf character but making her a military commander is just too fucking far fetched. No wonder the humans can't win the war, the army can't hear their captains commands and she can't hear what's going on on the battlefield. Its retarded.


 No.1027977

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>>1011444 (Checked)

>>1019611 (Also Checked)

>generic, uninspired artstyle

>niggers everywhere despite being set in fantasy Europe

>that fucking boarderline slideshow framerate

>that awful voice acting

>muh elves dindu nuffin

>those horrendous attempts at humour

I think this might be rock bottom, it can't get any worse than this.

>>1013035

RWBY at least had some well choreographed fight scenes in volume 1 and 2 with a small handful in 3 while Monty was still alive.


 No.1028707

>>1027977

>I think this might be rock bottom, it can't get any worse than this.

If you think this is rock bottom then you're either digging for a shitfest or this is your first shitfest.


 No.1028747

>>1027976

Pic unrelated I assume.

>>1027977

Yeah, but that's all RWBY had.


 No.1028764

File: 29d74b3a8dd3b2f⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 299.43 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, pornthulhu-632819-gren-din….jpg)

>>1027976

I had a theory that she uses her shield like a bell for Morse, then I realized that any time she fights with it would be like hitting someone's face with a keyboard that sends everything it typed to all your contacts.

Pacing of every scene she's in grinds to awkward stops every time they have to wait for her to sign a bit and let the guy speak for her, not to mention how incredibly awkward it is that the guy talks for her like a teacher reading a storybook to little children and also how condescending all her untranslated parts are.


 No.1028773

>>1028764

Why does she have a sharp bit sticking out of her inner thigh and poking him in the dick? That looks unpleasant.


 No.1028910

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>>1027951

maybe she's only mute?


 No.1031955

>>1027951

>>1023676

Wait they managed to get Sokka's VA and Aang's VA back? I thought Aang's VA had grown up or something? Surprised he could still do a kid voice.

Honestly, I feel the show suffers from a lack of worldbuilidng. It doesn't feel fleshed out enough and seems like a basic fantasy setting. Maybe, they might fix that with later seasons but still seems meh.

>>1023998

What if the warlord was like Shaka Zulu would that be an improvement?

>>1027465

I can't take the sorceress chick seriously after that fart scene. That and her voice sounds really raspy for some reason.

>>1027933

I thought it was only one human that was evil with dark magic?

>>1027948

The only badass mute character I can think of is Snake Eyes. And from what I remember he's more of a black ops/ninja type rather than a general.


 No.1031993

>>1019611

it looks worse than a ps2 game


 No.1032025

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 No.1033909

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>>1031993

When 3d is used to save money instead of using its advantages…


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 No.1044091

Amazing, everyone has already forgotten this show.


 No.1044226

>>1033909

Tell that to Berserk


 No.1044240

>>1044226

If a production uses 3D to save money, which actually doesn't in the long run, then they don't have the drive to put in the effort for anything else within the production.


 No.1044249

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>>1044091

When people initially expected Netflix animation, they expected a new Renaissance of 80s Disney/Anime tier animation (see: vid related). They didn't expect several episodes of poorly animated overbudgeted trash with propaganda.

What the hell happened? Old animation felt 3D, spacious, and lifelike, but newer ones look 2D, claustrophobic, sterile, and gay.


 No.1044250

>>1008727

>Ehasz liked Korra

Source or it didn't happen, faggot.


 No.1044252

>>1044249

No one puts effort into animation anymore.


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>>1044249

First of all, cells > computers, errytiem. Second, people made the mistake of believing Netflix not to be a corporation. To me, when I first heard Netflix was going into animation, I had this feeling that they would produce cheap, shitty garbage, and I think because since there were so many Netflix original series, it made sense they would spam cartoons (for cost reasons mostly; toons are cheaper and films generally aren't; I didn't really put to much thought into that when I first felt it), given that nowadays animation is outsourced and done completely digitally and thus a hell of a lot cheaper to produce, and that that is what happened with anime. Hire a bunch of "artists", who are overwhelmingly left-wing, and make sure to appeal to them to bring more to your company/keep the ones working, because they're making you money.


 No.1044258

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>>1033909

>2019

>still writing "When you X followed by ellipsis" on an imageboard


 No.1044267

>>1044258

Do you just trigger when you recognise a sentence pattern you associate with the internet?

Normal people don't do that, I think you really have to consider the possibility that you have some kind of disorder.

Do you do this IRL? Like "OH MY GOD GO BACK TO ADVERTISING!"

"THAT IS A BROOKLYNISM GET THE FUCK OUT!" "JESUS CHRIST WOMAN NOBODY SAYS THAT OUTSIDE OF UNIVERSITY YOU HAVE TO GO BACK" "FUCK OFF CANADAFAG"

I can't imagine you have many friends, or second dates.


 No.1044294

>>1044256

The weird part is that they aren't outsourced. Most of the Netflix originals are animated in house by US studios, but they look like complete shit. It's as if they were trying to rush their shows out ASAP.

If anyone has an 70s-90s cal arts curriculum, it would be amazing.


 No.1044295

>>1044240

The hell you talking about? 3D does save money in the long run, it's just it has an expensive upfront cost. Why do you think Disney is exclusively 3D now?


 No.1044298

>>1028910

Her right-hand man has to tap her shoulder to get her attention and sign at her for when she can't read lips.

Creators also really want to make sure you know how super-good-boy they are for putting a character who is both deaf and mute while being a woman in a position of leadership and power.

>>1031955

Snake Eyes isn't deaf, though, and not being able to make noises with your mouth is actually useful for someone who's supposed to be stealthy.


 No.1044307

>>1044298

He can talk, it's just really painful.


 No.1044317

>>1044295

It does not save money. It just saves time because it's easier.


 No.1044366

>>1044317

3D animation is easy if you only have to deal with a rig. Mainly because you can interpolate keys and don't have to use clean up.

However creating a model from scratch, retopologizing the model, creating the rig, and animating it is tedious. Luckily, you don't see that in the industry. Roles are just segregated, so it looks like the fault of the animator and rigger.


 No.1044370

>>1031955

>>1044298

Snake Eyes also has a reason for being mute.

Well, they gave an explaination in G.I. Joe Renegades unironically the best G.I. Joe. where he got his throat cut open.

What's the mute general's excuse?

<They'll add it in the next season!

These are the sort of things that NEED to be established beforehand. I'm all for disabled characters, but make them useful and have them MAKE SENSE.


 No.1044374

>>1044294

The problem with Netflix cartoons is economic. They don't spend a lot of money on making their originals look good because Netflix doesn't make that much to begin with. It goes into so much debt to produce content to pull in subscribers to justify their stock value to investors who will invest tens of millions of dollars into the company. It's practically a ponzi scheme that can't afford to give the jig up, so it doesn't matter how many 70s-90s Cal Arts alumni they have. If they can only pay them to do their bare minimum, that's all they're going to get from them. No one wants to work for less than what their profession's worth.


 No.1044401

So have we all accepted that Ehasz isn't that great, none of the men behind Avatar were all that great, and TLA only turned out how it did since they not only could cancel-out each-other's worse ideas but had plenty others to cancel-out all their worse ideas?


 No.1044406

>>1044401

I'm starting to believe that ATLA is the greatest fluke of all time.


 No.1044408

>>1044406

Even TLA had problems in its world and/or plot:

>The Air Nomads being too much of a Shangri-la country thanks to Bryke's Leftist adoration for Buddhism.

>Aang going through the trouble of learning not to privilege his Air Nomad teachings above his duty as Avatar only to get a way out from Energybending

>Energybending


 No.1044409

>>1044408

>Even TLA had problems in its world and/or plot:

Find a cartoon that doesn't.


 No.1044433

>>1044409

Energybending is bad writing. Admit it.


 No.1044449

>>1044408

Don't forget that the fire nation is so cartoonishly evil yet the show expects us to take them seriously.


 No.1044450

>>1044370

Snake Eyes was a ninja though so being mute doesn't negatively impact him at all. Being a mute/deaf general would completely destroy you in a medieval setting where being able to shout your fucking orders at your troops is the difference between victory and defeat.

>Oh shit the General's translator got hit by an arrow and the elves are closing in! What should we do!?

<Stupid bitch waves her hands emphatically but you cant even really see her very well through the slits in your helmet and the thrashing of bodies.

>Get surrounded

>Die horribly

>Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

No wonder humans lost the war with retarded shit like this going on.


 No.1044452

>>1044449

They're better than Korra's villains.


 No.1044515

>>1044449

I thought in the beginning they felt like a standard evil empire but get fleshed out later on. Especially, in season 3.


 No.1044516

>>1044452

Not an accomplishment.


 No.1044518

>>1044406

I'm starting to get the feeling that ATLA is the star wars of cartoons. Star Wars became as popular as it was due to being saved in the editing room and having other people refine Lucas' ideas. Then later we get prequels and sequels that aren't anywhere as close to good as the OT much in the same way Korra is to ATLA.


 No.1044559

>>1044518

TLA also came out at a time when Murica was hungry for overall serious cartoons with single continuing storylines. It was just well done enough to become a phenomenom. Korra had none of this.


 No.1044618

>>1044450

That's another point in Snake Eye's favor. He's meant to get alone and stealthy so it's all playing to his strengths, but heres something else that makes the general completely retarded.

She has consistently barged off on her own, like into the house, as well as many other things.

>She runs off stupidly as usual

>Elves stab her in the back, she falls into a trap, or many other dangers

>Even with the translator, the army she's supposed to command is completely helpless because "They're used to this" and expect her to be back or they'll just catch up.

>As such, whoever is supposed to replace her in command is complacent, or they don't even realize they're now in command.

It's just

so

stupid


 No.1044674

>>1044433

He wasn’t saying that though.


 No.1044676

>>1044518

As much shit as the Prequels get they at least introduced fun elements to the setting. Droids and clones, Maul (which looks pretty cool even though he's an edgelord incarnate), the locales still feel distinct and lived in.

Hell, I'd argue that the story itself was a good idea, on paper, but far too ambitious for Lucas to pull off on his own.

Korra is a muddled, steaming pile of shit where the only real standout features are her character design (brown musclegirl with big boobs) and the 1920s Oriental vibe. Everything it adds to the setting is shit, the characters are horribly written, the villains make little to no sense, far too much time is wasted on retarded relationship drama only for them to dyke out in the end, etc.

So, yes, the Prequels were shit, but they still gave other creators enough interesting concepts to make interesting content out of them (Clone Wars as a good example). LoK was just the metaphorical pouring of gasoline on ATLA and then setting it on fire.

>>1044559

The "hunger" never went away, it's just that the leftists are incapable of making coherent, engaging narratives, let alone stopping themselves from having their ideology take precedence over everything else.

It, and their penchant for corruption and nepotism, is how you end up with the garbage we have today. LoK is a pretty good example of a cartoon that had the potential to be good but turned out shit because the writers wrote a show by tumblr, for tumblr.


 No.1044712

>>1044676

>that had the potential to be good but turned out shit because the writers wrote a show by tumblr, for tumblr

The writers never had potential, it was always one guy cleaning up their mess and he wasn't around for lok.


 No.1044722

>>1044712

I hope you aren't talking about Ehasz.


 No.1045038

File: 273dd0beb53c15c⋯.png (1.7 MB, 1156x1110, 578:555, download.png)

>entire season made in like 3 months

I guess now we know why it's 6 frames per second.


 No.1045050

>>1045038

https://twitter.com/thedragonprince/status/1084169197632970752

>its real

Holy shit this is going to be a rushed mess.


 No.1045143

>>1044676

Oh I agree with you about the prequels. The old EU stuff from the Clone Wars was so great. Basically, other writers helped refine the Clone Wars era for Lucas. The overall idea was good.

The basic story of the prequel trilogy is good though I do think the OT was just told more coherently than the prequels.


 No.1045152

>>1045038

Maybe they split the season? Produced 26 eps and called it S1 with the first 13 all ready and done.

3 months is awfully quick turn around though, to have animated, voice recorded and add in the special effects.


 No.1045195

The ending (or at least how they settle the whole "elves warred on humanity") is going to be garbage. The elves will just give some forced admittance that yeah, maybe we shouldn't have driven out the humans. This will be accepted enough by the humans who aren't villains.


 No.1045239

>>1044433

Find a cartoon that doesn't have any plotholes or inconsistencies.


 No.1045248

>>1045239

>defend bad writing


 No.1045255

>>1045248

nigger where did he defend energybending?


 No.1045392

>>1008622

I'm guessing the show has barely anything to do with these books.


 No.1047413

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>>1033909

Also see Dragon Ball Fighter Z


 No.1047427

>>1047404

Is this a copypaste from 4chan? If that's the case, you have to fucking go back.


 No.1047500

>>1047427

Nah, I think I'll stay.


 No.1047508

>>1047404

>I managed to enjoy the show last year despite the preachy aspects. There's 3 solid waifu candidates in it: the elf, the sorceress imouto and the super-strong dog-riding girl.

Found the cuckchanner.

>rest

Go look up the definition of treason. The elves and dragons showed themselves to be enemies of Kangland.

Anyway as >>1024246 pointed out it's just another Anti-White/Western/Cuck story like Blue Cat Redskin Avatar. Humans are a stand-in for the Western/White Devil with his technology that kills the trees and unleashed global warming. Elves/Dragons magical noble savages who need to beat back the Westerners/White Men like that dark wizard with their nobler ways. The backstory of elves forcing all the humans into the West is just an excuse for modern multiculturalism despite not being a modern setting.


 No.1047513

>>1047404

>mary sue

>waifu candidate


 No.1047517

>>1047508

What I don't get about the hyoomans being evil thing is that dark magic is literally no different than any other sort of hunting. If humans can hunt animals for sustenance how is it in anyway evil for them to use animals to cast dank spells?


 No.1047523

>>1047517

They weren't just draining beasts. They were threatening the elves and dragons. And we're shown the human land itself was corrupted by use of dark magic.

The elves might have pulled have a Trail of Tears but the narrative repeatedly frames their action as rooted in human corruption and threats to them. The meanie humans made them banish them.


 No.1047543

Well since we now know this show is underwhelming let's discuss ways to make it better.

I'll start:

>A. Drop the "MAGIC DAT KILLS DA DRAGONS/TREES" angle and amke the elves' mass deportation a matter of expelling racial/species/whatever competitors.

>B. If we must keep the Dank Magic angle then we need to show it as having notably more advantages compared with non-Dank Magic without making it overly dependent on killing dragons/elves/other magical creatures.

>C. Building on point B, show elves utilizing Dank Magic for whatever grounds (traditional magics are less effective overall even if they don't drain life).

>D. Either go all the way with the multiculturalism and establish communities of elves who sided with humans for whatever (disagreeing with other elves over Dank Magic or just gravitating to human culture) or tone it down severely (that is, humans maintained their separate racial/ethnic identities or invented new ones regardless of having elves as a shared enemy).


 No.1047622

>>1044676

>As much shit as the Prequels get they at least introduced fun elements to the setting. Droids and clones, Maul (which looks pretty cool even though he's an edgelord incarnate), the locales still feel distinct and lived in.

>Hell, I'd argue that the story itself was a good idea, on paper, but far too ambitious for Lucas to pull off on his own.

Tragically underrated opinion. Space opera politics is a great idea. Lucas just needed some script advisors and an editor or two. If you actually pick through the bad execution/presentation the story had the potential to be amazing. One of the key points was to contrast the old republic with the stories Luke heard about it, like how the noble Jedi knights were actually hypocritical thugs with a few magic tricks. If you put the pieces together stuff like that is obvious, but it doesn't come across in the movies at all because Lucas is terrible at communicating his ideas.


 No.1047624

>>1044559

TLA is actually kind of amazing because it came out before the whole "prestige TV" trend. If it came out after, it would probably be much more like Korra with every episode tying directly to the main plotline instead of having a lot of pretty self-contained episodes. Most episodes of TLA can be watched out of context and still tell a coherent story. Korra doesn't have that at all, and neither does Dragon prince. TLA didn't introduce Previously On until like the third season I think, because prior to that you could still get a complete story without knowing exactly what happened last week.


 No.1047637

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>>1044295

>>1044317

3D absolutely saves money and time. Disney for instance develops all kinds of algorithms so a human doesn't have to bother animating various details and leave it up to a physics simulation. Instead of having animators and artists who have to understand how things work they farm out the animation to sweatshops in southeast asia and let the tech do the work. Since it's not a proper animator doing the work they don't see when the simulation gets a weird result so they can correct it (and simulations are always full of bugs and weird results).


 No.1047642

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 No.1047645

>>1047404

>>>/cuckchan/


 No.1047650

>>1047642

>sunfire elves

>not just fire elves

so it's shit writing on top of the shit voice work then


 No.1047663

>>1047650

No reason to break the established naming scheme.


 No.1047665

>>1047663

It sounds so stupid and uncreative. Even as a kid I would have rolled my eyes and thought it was lame.


 No.1047666

>>1047642

So if they could have the acceptable frame rate all along, why did they give the show such a low budget that they had to do 6 fps for the first 9 episodes?

>>1047663

>>1047665

I thought the "sun fire elves" and "moon shadow elves" were each combining two different magic sources or something like that.


 No.1047719

>>1047523

I thought it was just one human that did the dark magic and not all of them.


 No.1047724

>>1009175

Avatar TLA is good

Avatar TLA comics are shit

shitmalan avatar movie is shit

Korra seasons 1, 2, 3 and 4 are shit

ur shit

ftfy


 No.1047786

>>1047719

The humans' chunk of the world wouldn't have been blighted (the intro even says that all the continent used to be filled with magic wonder) if it was just one man.

They shouldn't have designed dark/blood/soul magic to work how it does if they wanted to say the elves were badwrong to banish the humies.


 No.1049267

Comes out today. Waiting for a rip of it.


 No.1049284

>>1049267

Now up on torrents but nt yet on kimcartoon.


 No.1049305

>>1049267

I'm not saving this shit.


 No.1049494

>dark magic ended a famine

>hurr durf it's evil even though it's no different than hunting

All hippies should die.

>half the show is fucking filler

>end the show on a cliffhanger

netflix was a mistake.

Also dyke queens was more nonsense than the cripple general, they're working hard for those diversity points these days.


 No.1049499

>>1049494

The Dark/Blood/Mean magic was blighting the land and killing magical creatures (elf, dragon).


 No.1049504

>>1049499

In what way? Specifically? The humans are dark magicking like it's fucking christmas and there seems to be absolutely nothing wrong with the human continent. What the fuck does the blight even mean when it has ZERO impact on the environment, humans still have magical creatures to hunt in the human realm and neither the elf no dragon were affected by the MC using dark magic.

The mechanism that makes it a blight on the land or harmful to magical creatures (outside of being directly hunted) is never shown, all we get is some pushback when the MC tries to use it untrained. It seems to be a perfectly safe magic provided you don't overhunt.

In fact I just rewatched the prologue in the first episode and there's no mention of a blight or magical beings dying because of dark magic so I have no idea where this blight comes from it's never mentioned or shown in the show.


 No.1049509

>>1049504

The prologue tells us that all of the continent was rich in magic before Dark Magic was used by humanity to devour magicalness. And indeed Dark Magic requires draining magic from sources with it to work. Not hard to see that the idea is that humans did indeed "overhunt."

Like I said, if they were trying to make this conflict "grey" they should just have cut out the life eating bit for Dark Magic and frame the conflict as one more akin to Sunni VS Shia (difference in ideology). They could have also established that there were enough elves who sided with humanity (support of Dark Magic or just not wanting to abandon their human neighbors over magic) and live in communities across the West.


 No.1049526

>>1047508

Elves are stand ins for wypipo. The point is humans dindu nuffin and being oppressed is what drives them to be shitty and steal magic from animals.


 No.1049528

>>1049509

>The prologue tells us that all of the continent was rich in magic before Dark Magic was used by humanity to devour magicalness. And indeed Dark Magic requires draining magic from sources with it to work. Not hard to see that the idea is that humans did indeed "overhunt."

Again that does nothing to establish it as essentially evil, I still see no difference between it and hunting what matters is how you do it not that it is being done at all. Harvesting magical creatures is no different than trapping game for pelts.

>Like I said, if they were trying to make this conflict "grey"

They never were, not even a little bit.

>>1049526

I think you've got it flipped around, humanity is the ambitious race here whose evil technology is ravaging nature. In the quest for power humanity isn't respecting nature i.e. like the british as they conquered the world for resources or american colonials fucking with nature loving indians.

In the nature loving mystics stories wypipo are always the power hungry bad guys raping mother nature and the natives are empowered not by effort, knowledge, or technology but by birth so they can curbstomp badwhites in a way that lets hippies have the upperhand.


 No.1049531

>>1049526

>Elves are stand ins for wypipo.

>I'm ignoring the brown elves

It's obvious the "White" elves are just one branch of a wider variety. Anyway, the plot already frames the elves' actions as at least provoked if not legitimate since Dark Magic was a threat to them/their continent as magical creatures. For your "elves is Da Whitey" memeing to hold (I suspect it's just cuckchan waifufaggotry) they'd need to reveal that the backstory was all a lie and the elves' leadership just wanted the East (which would be more wealthy).

>Again that does nothing to establish it as essentially evil

Aside from Viren getting warped the more he uses it.

>In the nature loving mystics stories wypipo are always the power hungry bad guys raping mother nature and the natives are empowered not by effort, knowledge, or technology but by birth so they can curbstomp badwhites in a way that lets hippies have the upperhand.

More or less. It's just another Avatar (the blue cat one) where noble savages get to have magic as a way to work around the downsides of being noble savages and strike back at West/Whitey. Complete with a "we have nothing that Naavi are interested in" since elves have no significant interest in Dark Magic.


 No.1049537

>>1049531

>Aside from Viren getting warped the more he uses it.

I'm not sure that's an actual long term negative effect or rule of cool for when he uses a super powerful spell, or since his daughter only suffered a visual negative effect when she used a powerful spell that it's a problem from using magic that's too strong (and that's why he has the secret butterflies he drains).

All things considered there's no other way to defend against dragons or change the weather to immediately end a famine, he doesn't have a permanently disability and maybe he has to take lifelong butterfly medicine but it's still invaluable knowledge that's saved many lives it'd be dumb to pretend not to know about it or ban it. He however is a villain, though the fact that he was for a while willing to swap places with the king until humiliated proves he's not pure greed and power lust.

I'm still curious about virens origins though, his staff is the same as the guy in the intros and he has his butterfly lifeforce stockpile and it would make an interesting reason for his wife to bail but I feel if he was actually an old as shit wizard keeping himself alive longer they'd drop stronger hints.


 No.1049539

>>1049528

>>1049531

Magic = Privilege.

Elves are born with it. Humans aren't. I think that's the angle. Dark magic being bad is like stealing. The kid figuring it out ob his own is like moving up. Also, elves aren't brown. They're wacky colors. Meanwhile the humans have actual kangz.


 No.1049546

>>1049539

>Magic = Privilege.

Now you're trying too hard. The elves are just the setting's noble savages who are more in-tune with the land. They manifest this by getting to use magic without depending on boosts. No better than how the Naa'vi got access to a magical tree that let them have effective immortality. Even damn Warcraft does this with the Night Elves.

>Also, elves aren't brown. They're wacky colors.

Just watch the trailer here >>1047642. You can easily see how Sunfire Elves look (brown skin not charcoal colored like Drow, prominent lips in commander). Face it, the elves aren't supposed to be the setting's White/West Devil. Otherwise they would have made the elves more "Evil."

>Meanwhile the humans have actual kangz.

Yeah, since the elves forced all of them into one kingdom and that magically erased racial/ethnic differences. Making multiculturalism happen in a non-modern society.


 No.1049547

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>>1049546

Other elves in comparison.


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>>1049547

Those elves are a poor imitation


 No.1049761

Ehasz is a fucking hack.


 No.1050484

Honestly, the setting with the humans bugs me. It looks like generic medieval European setting. I was hoping they'd give it some unique flavor like ATLA had with it's settings.




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