No.524507
Well that's convenient. Thanks anon!
No.524508
>>524507
yep, and a big thanks to the anon in the previous thread who put all the parts into one big pdf.
No.524520
It's great that this has been released into the public domain. On Amazon it's well over $200 for the complete set.
>>524508
No problemo, here's the link to my complete mega folder as well. While I've trimmed it down a lot recently, for people interested in animation there's some good material by Walt Stanchfield, Preston Blair and the recently deceased Harold Whitaker.
mega:///#F!es1BSKQR!spODyd0iaQmMelGA2GscFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJSrlIqFmmY
No.524531
No.524554
>>524520
>Disney's Sample Portfolio For Animation Internships
Pic related.
Thanks!
No.524818
>>524520
>timing for animation
Noice
No.525199
>so little interest in this ITT thread
smdh fam
No.525453
>>524505
This is pretty cool, but drawing isn't my number one art priority at the moment. Lately I've been banging my head against the digital painting wall.
No.525458
>>525453
Drawing is painting and painting is drawing, you basically can't paint unless you can draw, too. You're approaching this craft backwards if you're not adept at drawing.
If you're just starting to paint exclusively you're wasting a lot of time. You need to learn how to perceive the 3dimensionality of subjects through tons of repetitious drawing, painting alone simply takes too much time to achieve that goal which is already brutal enough as it is.
No.525484
>>525458
Not saying I'm the world's greatest draftsman who has literally mastered drawing, but I do already draw. A lot. Literally thousands of sketchbook pages over the years, I have a shelf of drawing books, got my art degree and so on. I'm working on digital painting due to it being the weaker of my skills at this point in my opinion.
And even then, it's not like I'm grappling with the basics of shadow and form, it's the precise technique of a specific digital artist that knocked my socks off. IT LOOKS SO GOOD but I can't figure out exactly what's going on there. And to a lesser extent I'm searching for ideal tool settings for digital sketchery.
Anyway, I think I know enough of drawing that all I have left is practice, but digital painting, in that I could probably benefit from some additional, though very specific, factual instruction.
No.525496
>>525484
I see
Well, here's probably the best resource I know for digital painting, good luck!
ctrlpaint.com
No.525511
Thank you.
Ill be sure to start shitposting with dank OC of my OC within the week. You'll know me when you see it
No.525714
>>524505
>>524520
I can't thank you enough, anons. This will really come in handy for me and my studies.
No.526121
>>524520
> trimmed it down a lot recently
Why the fuck would you do that?
No.526179
Finally something good out of this board.
Thank you op.
No.526218
>>524505
Cant open it. When I click the link it gives me a "problem loading page"
"file not found"
Same is happening with other Megas for me right now.
Is it only on my end? Might try a different browser later.
No.526302
>>526218
No, getting 404 here as well.
Ain't that just the way? Something useful and widely wanted finally becomes legal to share, and it immediately gets nuked out of orbit.
No.526348
>>526121
I'd decided that I'm not going to personally, knowingly facilitate theft from living artists. Though I obviously can't do anything about the phenomenon of piracy itself, I'm not inclined to participate in it so long as I have a choice one way or the other.
Hoarding these kinds of resources and bouncing between them just becomes another form of procrastination, anyway. I should know, I have physical copies of most of these books myself and it turns out you can't get better at art through osmosis. Even after removing all of the material from living artists that hadn't been released for free voluntarily the folder still has as much material or more than most any individual would need across a variety of subjects, with over 40 books and 70 tutorials - and I'm always looking for more stuff in that regard. It's more than adequate for its purpose.
>>526218
>>526302
Still works for me whether I'm logged in or not. Try using a different browser?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3P3I6Nk4A4
No.526354
>>526348
> piracy is theft
Not this shit again.
I go out of my way to buy pirated literature, films, games, etc that I enjoyed, especially art books. Second-hand books don't give money to the original author either, should I abstain from those as well?
No.526531
>>526354
>I go out of my way to buy pirated literature, films, games, etc that I enjoyed, especially art books.
That's good, but mostly irrelevant my man.
>Second-hand books don't give money to the original author either, should I abstain from those as well?
A fair point. I do feel that artists and their fans ought to buy direct when available. I've personally spent the negligible average of <$4 more buying books new rather than used for that very reason. Out of print books and books otherwise only available in a foreign market such as something like this…
https://mega.nz/#!TkcGyJzI!PaRrZ5XUsKpRbPO1-ATYsKxPIGoGMFcWKa6JeCgW09c
…are another story as well.
No.526604
>>526531
>It's ok to pirate when I'm too lazy to import something
Nice try, m80
No.527205
>>526354
>Piracy isn't theft because I buy things I've stolen or could hypothetically have stolen sometimes
lol
No.527207
>>526604
How would you even find that book? Lol
No.527234
>>526218
For me, MEGA has never worked on pale moon, but it works fine on Opera(which I keep just for such occasions).
No.527392
No.527412
>>527392
>pro-bernie site
Fuck off.
No.527451
So I was reading through this book and saw it had some nice lessons to work on. I had the idea that we could post our lesson work on 8/co/ and have these here wolves critique the work. Here's my Ch1 work.
No.527480
>>526354
>Not this shit again
>don;t make me feel bad for stealing
No.527550
>>526348
> I'd decided that I'm not going to personally, knowingly facilitate theft from living artists. Though I obviously can't do anything about the phenomenon of piracy itself, I'm not inclined to participate in it so long as I have a choice one way or the other.
GAY
No.527553
>>527205
>>527480
> making exact duplicates and sharing them for free is stealing
See https://github.com/philipl/pifs and come back with a response if your brains aren't too rotten already from taking RIAA propaganda seriously.
No.527559
>>527553
>Spend 30 years and 100,00,000 dollars designing a amazing engine
>Industrial spy runs in and copies the blueprints I made, and passes them off as his own. Now 10 other companies produce the engine and the work the scientist spent is worthless. He is now a penniless hobo.
Feel free to pirate but comon, lets not play pretend here. Thats what we have copyright for is to (theoretically) protect the creators idea from idea theft.
Copyright is concept protection, and piracy is concept theft.
No.527565
>>527412
just cause he wants to bern it to the ground, doesn't mean he doesn't offer shit
just turn adblock on
No.527579
>>527553
A response to someone's gay imaginary github project?
>That's right! Every file you've ever created, or anyone else has created or will create! Copyright infringement? It's just a few digits of π! They were always there!
Autism.
If a person or group of people puts content they've created behind a pay wall and you evade that pay wall you've stolen from that content creator. If a person or group of people creates content for free voluntarily (GNU, etc.) then that's their prerogative. It's as simple as that. All of this pedantry just to semantically avoid admitting what everyone already knows about piracy is just fucking beta.
No.527582
File: 1455858289583.jpg (97.02 KB, 770x409, 770:409, i've heard of butterface b….jpg)
>>527579
Of course, saying that, the fact is not all of this already all-pervasive kind of infringement is equal, either. There are content creators that deserve to have their content stolen.
No.527589
>>527559
>Copyright is concept protection
That's the worst kind of protection for example if the GPL never existed computing has you know wouldn't exist.
Same thing for HTML when it was created AOL made it's own protocols and menaced the whole thing thankfully due to the free/libre users HTML was better promoted than the closed standards that aol wanted to impose
why am I talking about this ? because it comes to the same thing sharing knowledge and work.
Do you think copyright is good when a company is still making money on the dead back of glen miller (or other dead creators), most of what he produced is still not in the public domain and they can extend it they want mickey is still not in the in the public domain even if he was created more than 70 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
This kind of shit can bring sterility to cultural creation since they don't have to move their ass to make money.
>piracy is concept theft
no it's the concept of sharing knowledge that is blocked via pay-walls
is it normal that researchers who publish their work don't own their own research ? or to have to wait a year (if lucky) to begin to have money out of their article ?
Do you think it's normal that public information (information that is by definition free) is behind a pay-wall ?
>>527582
>There are content creators that deserve to have their content stolen
yes
also some content is made completely free/available by the creator without I'm blocking the shit out of it and some creators still sell it even if it's free.
also check out this sit if you want books
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
No.527590
>>526564
He's not. He's a huge faggot who thinks piracy is theft because "muh artist support!".
No.527591
>>527589
>yes
>also some content is made completely free/available by the creator without I'm blocking the shit out of it and some creators still sell it even if it's free.
If a person or group of people puts content they've created behind a pay wall and you evade that pay wall you've stolen from that content creator. If a person or group of people creates content for free voluntarily (GNU, etc.) then that's their prerogative.
>>527590
cry about it you fat little fairy
No.527596
>>527591
>evade that pay wall
>steal from that content creator
I never said otherwise
I just say that one: the creators and not the shareholders or the distributors should have most of the money.
Second: blocking some content behind paywalls are sometimes truly illegal.
and Third: not sharing knowledge because muh ording muh monopoly is simply non-democratic and a insult to the human mind (even if it's a complete clusterfuck) and to the future generations (if there is one)
No.527777
>>527582
>There are content creators that deserve to have their content stolen.
Are they ones that didn't side with you in an argument?
No.527794
>>527589
>Copyright is sometimes bad
Yes. I know this. And are YOU a revolutionary scientist or creator who was scorned by the evils of copyright? I mean I would be shocked and wondering what are you doing here.
In reality your just some sperglord looking for an excuse not to feel bad about steeling shit from the people you pretend to rally.
>>527596
Wow thats the worst thing ever. Do you even listen to the bullshit you spew?
>"Limiting things behind copyright is an insult to the human spirit! Nay, me paying for things is an insult to the very concept of goodness, and the holy creation of god!"
Feel free to download your ebooks illegally but just goddam. Don't be such a narcacistic fagolloon.
No.527829
>>527794
>thinking that people only feel bad about steeling
No.527854
>>527829
Fine, I made a grammatical error. Point retracted. Go smell your own farts somewhere else.
No.527857
>>527777
>Thinking that Cunt Leth should be paid
What a horrible waste of quads
No.527898
>>527777
That was a joke for the most part but she really is a disgusting, disgraceful slut
No.527941
>>527451
Already better than some current newspaper strips
No.527986
>>527794
>Feel free to download your ebooks illegally but just goddam. Don't be such a narcacistic fagolloon.
if its the books that the thread's about, then it's not illegal
public domain = anyone can distribute it
No.527988
>>527986
I think he meant in general, not specifically the thread's subject. You can trace the argument back to >>524520 saying they would no longer host material by living artists that wasn't intended to be free from the beginning in that particular mega folder.
No.527999
>come back after a couple of days
>thread has devolved into arguments over pirating
>thread was meant to inspire people to do something creative and productive in their free time that is /co/ related
Let's go ahead and check our morals at the door. I don't care how somebody learns art, I just think it's great that there are so many people willing to try and put the pencil to the paper like >>527451.
No.528032
>>527999
"Verily! Trips doth speak the wisdom of Odin."
I am going to going to start sharing this information on some public domain-themed webpages for which I admin.
No.528060
File: 1455917316528.jpg (249.88 KB, 1044x577, 1044:577, Famous Artists Cartoon Cou….jpg)
The online consensus is that this work does exist in the public domain. I just don't understand why it does.
Here is how U.S. copyrights work in this case. According to Wikipedia,… "For works published or registered before 1978, the maximum copyright duration is 95 years from the date of publication, if copyright was renewed during the 28th year following publication.[33] Copyright renewal has been automatic since the Copyright Renewal Act of 1992." This book was published in 1956 and 1965. I am going to make a guess that the copyright was never renewed given that no one has said it was renewed. Even if it wasn't, the original copyright based on the 1956 date will expire in 2041. (Yeah, the U.S. system is brutal like that.) If the copyright was held by the book's unnamed author, then it will not expire until 95 years after the author's death which will likely take even longer. The only way I can see this being a public domain work is if the publisher, Famous Artists Cartoon Course Inc., went out of business without selling or gifting its copyrights to anyone. That did happen a lot during during 1950s and 1960s which is why several Golden Age superheroes are currently in the public domain. I have no idea how to search for an incorporated company from that long ago to find out if the company still exists for not, and I am open to suggestions.
Where does this leave us, the readers? Well, I cannot imagine a situation in which anyone gets in trouble for downloading and reading this book, regardless of the copyright status. Please, do download. I also find it highly unlikely that anyone will get into any type of trouble for handing out copies for free. Someone might get into a little bit of a lawsuit if they theoretically were selling copies (as some are doing on Amazon) and some copyright troll steps forward with proof that he purchased the copyright from the corporation before it went out of business.
I would add the caveat that this book is "probably" in the public domain.
No.528190
>>527999
Sorry
Still thanks for the paper
Going back to draw
No.528709
>>526348
Nigger some of us cant AFFORD fucking artbooks.
Shove your 1st world morality up your ass, you homungous fucking mongoloid.
No.528754
>>527559
Samuel Slater did that in the late 1800s. He single-handedly started the industrial revolution in America because he copied some guy's blueprints for a textile factory, and adapted it to take advantage of American geography and resources. Suddenly America was a textile powerhouse.
Did the original designers go broke? Fuck no. They were still fat cats in Britain.
Did they call him "Slater the traitor" anyway? Of course.
Do historians go whining and bitching that he shouldn't have access to that intellectual property? Fuck no.
Was everyone better off for it? Of course.
No.528763
>>526348
>moral fagging
>on a anonymous image board of all places
On the topic of the thread, I'll be sure to check that shit out.
No.528794
Hope this results in increased quality for OC, Drawthreads, and dank memes.
No.528820
>>528754
True. Which is why Im a libertarian.
But I always get the urge to play devils advocate when somebody uses a moral position to just do shitty thing.
"I kicked that guy who works as an Apple salesperson in the balls cause apple uses sweatshop labor! Im a hero"
"I stole the car of a Barack Obama Supporter! Im a Hero!"
You pirate because its convenient and free, not because your some-kind of freedom fighter. Its especially difficult in our future where most things of value are also pure code, so can be copied infinitely.
No.528836
>>528820
> Im
> to just do shitty thing
> Im a hero
> your some-kind
Nice strawmen, faggot.
No.529808
>>526531
> I've personally spent the negligible average of <$4 more buying books new rather than used for that very reason.
>I go to faggot yuppie "used" bookstores where the books are coffee table shit or NY Times Bestsellers from last year
Do yourself a favor and find a real used bookstore, the kind that sells shitty paperbacks for fifty cents apiece. If you can't find something at least as cheesy as Kent Montana and the Reasonably Invisible Man, it's no good.
No.530575
So far this has been a really decent book. Here's some sloppy notes and sketches from following along.
No.530585
>>530575
Your handwriting sucks, but nice art so far.
No.530589
>>530585
Yeah, I can't into good handwriting to save my life. I've always wondered why it was so bad. Hell, whenever I sign my name it looks like a 6 year old did it.
No.530619
>>530589
At least it's readable. I remember a guy I knew in school who was the only person who could read his own handwriting.
No.530676
>>528709
If you live in a foreign market that the content isn't intended or localized for than obviously that's different. The likelihood of you speaking fluent english, being on this website and not living in a country where you simply can't afford a $10 book or series of videos is pretty slim, though.
>>528836
You were basically implying that you should be entitled to evade some artists' dinky pay wall because historically significant "heroic" figure Samuel Slater had memorized his previous employer's factory layout (he did not "copy the blueprints" as you said so you're wrong there; I don't think you lied intentionally but just so you know for future reference). It may have been a straw man but just barely.
>>529808
>being this elitist about used book stores
>what is amazon
>>528835
If a person or group of people puts content they've created behind a pay wall and you evade that pay wall you've stolen from that content creator.
Just because it's ubiquitous to digital content and the culture surrounding it doesn't make it any less true. The fact that many people (including the welfare case living off of the charity of others that created that animation) release content for "free" voluntarily or that you pay for some content on the off chance you decide to, doesn't negate that fact.
Some people create content and put it behind a pay wall because that's one of the few ways they're able to scrounge up an income of any sort plying a trade they'd invested countless hours and potentially thousands of dollars into themselves. It is disingenuous to act like anybody's oblivious to this fact.
No.530758
>>530676
> You were basically implying
That wasn't me, you cockgobbling niggerlover. I just came here to snigger at your moralfaggotry, not to compare myself to historical figures I've never heard of.
No.530777
>>530758
>That wasn't me
That doesn't change anything. I wasn't the poster you addressed with your "durr nice strawman (even though that's the implication that poster you're responding to had made) hurr" comment either. You were wrong, no need to be butthurt furkike.
No.530779
>>530575
Pretty nice, it reminds me of my first pic. Do you do any work? I draw for my college paper.
Here's my ch2 work everybody. Too busy to spend to much time on this.
No.530791
>>530779
>drawing for college paper
I used to draw cartoons for my campus paper, back in the ye' olden days of 2010.
It was a fucking nightmare then. I can only imagine the hell you are going through now.
No.530801
>>530791
Can you please explain why it was a nightmare ?
just curiosity.
No.530844
>>530791
i'm not in journalism at all. I don't associate with them that much, I just draw the pictures. The only thing that sucks is it's monthly so I only have to draw one thing a month. The also love their ad space so that limited it to one drawing per paper. They think people will read the paper without cartoons.
No.531067
>>530777
Nice trips, but you're still a faggot.
No.531914
>>530779
a few commissions in the past when I absolutely needed the money, but aside from that, not really. Still trying to git gud and start a cartoon.. of course, learning to draw consistently good is only half the battle there, figuring out Toon Boom and making decent character rigs is the other half.
Also, looks like you are picking it up pretty fast.
No.532051
>>530676
that pic is pretty accurate. Anyone who goes to school to learn how to draw now of days is a moron.
No.532642
No.532802
Cool! But what do I download if I want to learn to draw anything besides ugly-ass 50s styled Disney art?
From what I can tell this is all it teaches you to draw.
No.532816
>>532802
>ugly-ass 50s styled Disney art
Better than uglier-ass new tens calsharts potatoes.
No.532818
>>532816
I just want to draw sweet ass porn
No.532945
>>532818
>gesture
>form
>anatomy
>perspective
>design
those are the things you need to learn to draw porn. Gesture is pretty loose so you may want to experiment around and find the way that works best for you. For instance, I'm more comfortable with thick lines and charcoal sticks, other people like the scribble method better, and some people like finding the rhythm of the figure. It is THE foundation and sadly this book doesn't touch much on this, but touches on all the other areas well enough which you'll expand off those foundational skills once learned.
No.533150
>>532642
art school's are lean so much towards the subjective and modern that they fail to teach any of the foundational skills needed to make a successful drawing. I always like to use this persons drawings as an example of what I mean. He went to art school, got his degree, and came out with art looking like this. I have two other friends who are the same way. The only thing I think art school is good at is inspiring blind confidence in ones abilities.
No.533364
No.533451
>>533150
>The only thing I think art school is good at is inspiring blind confidence in ones abilities.
The environment that's been created in many art schools is simply not conducive to producing artists anyone in particular would want to hire. These abstract-heavy schools function more like expensive daycare centers for eccentric young adults than a place of higher learning, but even the ostensibly good schools operate in a somewhat unethical way in my opinion. Tons of students enter and only a select few leave with even a shot of finding their niche because many of these schools have a very low barrier of entry (if they have one at all), most people simply can't improve that much in two or even four years no matter who's teaching them, and most of these schools are terribly expensive if you aren't already good enough to warrant a scholarship of some sort. Tons of kids that might be sincere but not good enough and won't likely ever be good enough get in and just fuck their whole life up, or a good chunk of it, as consequence.
Calarts, the nepotistic school/noodle factory (which, at the very least and for better or worse has a proven track record for getting people hired in the animation industry) is $45,000 a year and has a lot of resources dedicated to basically farming some of these essentially unemployable photographers, "Installation artists" and collage-makers for money. It's an ugly scene and one that's not due to change any time soon without some kind of spontaneous mass rejection of nonrepresentational art and perhaps even art schools (that have become far too bloated) in general.
No.533488
>>533150
>imma bout ta reck dat ass
No.533544
>>533150
I'd argue that he's on par with Erica Henderson.
No.533555
>>533451
>last picture
Is the fucked-up ceiling part of the installation, or just the result of all the repair staff being fired for being too white / male / old?
No.533563
Regardless of the "muh piracy" argument earlier in the thread it seems as though it was just MEGA shitting up its own back, the link in the OP works just fine for me on a Firefox fork called Waterfox.
No.533573
>>533555
Ceiling tiles are a social construct.
>>533563
I assumed it was some kind of browser issue; I'm not sure why people were having trouble with it but I'm glad it's working out now supposedly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX0MrnzBJ8M
No.533575
>>533451
>have a very low barrier of entry
30,000-45,000 dollars a year sounds like a high barrier of entry to me. The kind of barrier of entry that only permits the spoiled children of rich parents to enter these "schools".
I've graduated from both an art academy and a vocational animation school, mostly by my own money I accumulated by working and saving during my days working in the country's biggest slaughterhouse (so my CV might look a bit funny with years of chopping pigs to pieces with axes and circular saws, and rest is doing cartoons for children).
Even then I felt the academy was pretty pricey when it was 2000 euros per year. But at least that place had proper fucking life drawing and illustration courses that were mandatory, along with extra croquis-fridays. And great teachers who sought to teach you everything you were bad at but wanted to learn. So the rich spoiled children in there didnt have much of an excuse for learning nothing when they refused to learn anatomy and proper painting because "its too hard!" and "I wont draw skeletons ever anyway!".
Who the fuck would pay 30,000 dollars a year for any school is beyond me. Especially in the field of arts where your graduation papers dont matter, only the quality of your own work does.
No.533578
>>533575
Because people with college degrees, no matter which one it is and especially in a field where it is optional or even unnecessary, tend to believe that they are higher educated and become entitled snobs, looking down on the opinion and work of those who don't.
LET ME POST CRIPPLEGOBLIN FUCK
No.533605
>>533573
Watts is a beast.
No.533633
>>533575
>30,000-45,000 dollars a year sounds like a high barrier of entry to me.
I meant a skill based barrier of entry my man. As far as I'm aware just over 100 years ago art schools were relatively exclusive places where only people that exhibited pretty strong competency were granted entry as a rule (though it's noteworthy that these standards became more skewed and subjective in the late 1800's and early 1900s).
>The kind of barrier of entry that only permits the spoiled children of rich parents to enter these "schools".
Being in debt is considered the "normal" thing for Americans regardless of vocation unfortunately and I know many people that received similarly dubious degrees and oftentimes it would be a stretch to call them middle class. It's insane by any standard but it's hard for people to see that from the inside for some reason.
These kids attending these expensive art schools are "spoiled" perhaps, but not necessarily rich. They're told all their lives how great at art they are because the people around them don't know any better and they take it to heart. They get in the school, they continue to suck and they're mentally ill-prepared to correct themselves because the well-intentioned, unconditional support of their peers and parents prevents them from accepting criticism readily.
These art schools have seen tens of thousands of people come and go and they know that they could basically save lives by being more selective about their attendees but downsizing the school and trimming the staff to accommodate the kids with potential exclusively is naturally out of the question.
…and all this is assuming we're talking about a worthwhile school, those being few and far between these days. There are far more schools that emphasize completely subjective, "creative" Pollock and Duchamp style derivative work than those that don't. A lot of kids that want to be good in a conventional way end up in schools that can't provide that for them. As a personal anecdote I'm lucky enough to have a formal atelier near me but there's only one in the entire state, it's relegated to the far corner of a dilapidated building and there's >35 students.
>Who the fuck would pay 30,000 dollars a year for any school is beyond me. Especially in the field of arts where your graduation papers dont matter, only the quality of your own work does.
It's a shame but many people seem to be unaware of that important fact, that's why I'd gathered as many anecdotes of artists saying that or studies suggesting that as I could and have spread them around here and there. If my shitposting has prevented even one person from getting their shit fucked up I'm happy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXN9HdFbxqM
No.533669
>>533633
its like that animation book you referred to (and which I happen to own since that was one of the required study books) said, the craftsmanship has disappeared. Working in the art department is just like any other work, not much different from building a house or carving a boat. You have to be efficient and good at your job and finish all projects in time.
No.535360
>>527559
>passes it them off as his own
That's called fraud bruh and it's got nothing to do with copyright.
No.535434
does anyone know any books that delve into how to practically animate? As a one man animator doing everything on 1's isn't really feasible, but relying on shitty puppet animation or cutout animation also doesn't do much to get a good result.
No.535947
>>535434
Animator's survival guide. Looks like you should buy it because I couldn't find a pdf.
No.535950
>>534486
>tfw I'm a fine artist with practical skills
>tfw these fuckers are the reason I can't get a job
No.535994
>>535950
Do what everyone in your situation does
Hint: it's furry porn
No.536004
Thanks OP. I'd also like to say that we have an animation board.
>>>/ani/
No.536094
>>535994
That still leads to suicide, just with designer drugs. If you're good, you get commission requests for shit that stops just being weird and starts being truly horrifying.
Eventually, you develop depression realizing that 1. you're being paid to help people get off to dickgirls doing every horrifying fetish you've heard of and some you haven't; and 2. you've been doing the kind of work that would destroy any chances of getting a normal job ever again if your name was ever attached to those commissions.
No.536221
Here's some sketches after reading a bit more.
I think I might try and start a webcomic soon.
No.536282
>>536094
It would be a lot more tolerable if it didn't get so personal. Everyone wants to talk about their fetish and life and all I want to do is fulfill the comission and move on.
No.536723
>>536094
>2. you've been doing the kind of work that would destroy any chances of getting a normal job ever again if your name was ever attached to those commissions
Wasn't there a gay furry who did fetish shit that was recently picked up by Dark Horse?.
No.536739
>>536221
do it dude no one can stop you
No.537856
>>536723
What your thinking of is:
- A short comic story about gay furries.
- In a copy of Island #6.
- Published by Image.
- Image was looking to see how well that particular issue was going to sell to see if more people want that kind of thing. That we don't know the results of yet.
I got that copy of Island, and yeaahhh, The art was decent but the subject matter just felt weird. I still couldn't tell if all the characters are male or if one of them is female.
Another thing I didn't like about that issue, it felt like it was shorter than the rest of the previous volumes.
No.537869
>>536282
> Everyone wants to talk about their fetish and life and all I want to do is fulfill the comission and move on.
Charge them for your time they consumed. Tell them both your time and skill are not gratis. Someone wants to yak about their fetish and life to you, that's going to cost extra and delay their commission.
>2. you've been doing the kind of work that would destroy any chances of getting a normal job ever again if your name was ever attached to those commissions.
Set up a pseudonym or separate studio identity and style. Fuck, I've met some artists who does super sanitized graphics work by day, and private commission of varying levels of bizarre and fetish by night. The answer I got out of one artist was something like "IDGAF, it's all just line, shape and color arrangement, and I get paid to draw and paint beatch! How fucking great is that!
No.537884
>>537869
>implying people are going to tolerate some dick newcomer who charges extra to talk to them.
People who think smut art is guaranteed money are idiots. Unless you're of the top 5 percent and you know how to market yourself, you're going to get minor pocket change at most for months. As a total degenerate who knows many artists in the game, many of them struggle to get commissioners on a regular basis.
Think of your art as product, like your soda brand, the quality of it is only 25 percent of what makes an artist successful, the other 75 percent is how you market yourself and your art. If you really want to get money, prepare to slavishly pander to a fanbase. Fanbases in this current age are like mafias or the jews. It's significantly hard to get anywhere without paying them service, it's how mediocre artists get thousands of notes on Tumblr while the artist of actual professional quality gets unnoticed.
There is something to be made in porn, but if you're not into what you're drawing, either leave your dignity at the door, or find something else you can use your talents on and enjoy.
No.537887
>>533451
>tfw you can't tell if that fucked up ceiling is part of the display or just due to it being a shitty cheap ceiling.
No.537903
>This hand tutorial
Finally
No.537914
>>537884
>>implying people are going to tolerate some dick newcomer who charges extra to talk to them.
Act like a doormat, prepare to get walked on. If people can get the artist's work they want for the cheapest price possible, even to the detriment of the artist, they will.
You don't charge people extra just for the talking, you mong. Initial consultation time to get the spec and such, that's covered.
Anything beyond what is agreed upon and made clear, people get charged extra. That's not uncommon for other fields of work.
If the artist themselves don't value and respect their time, why the fuck should the client.
No.538900
>>537914
you also have to realize that community thrives on drama, so if you want to make money you need to be professional and friendly as fuck… the internet is a small place and to get consistent work you need to be well liked, and even then you can get screwed over.
No.540866
>>538962
>>537903
You know what I hate about hand drawing tutorials?
They always strongly focused on sketching stage and general shape, but completely disregards, for example, the amount of finger or inner palm detail that you should or shuld not include on the inking stage.
I can draw a hand that consist of 5 squares no problem, but I suck when I have to turn the squares into actual fingers, since they resemble broken sticks.
No.540873
>>540866
that just comes from reference and studying what details the light shows and omits, then you stylistically choosing how much of that you want to draw. Hands are a fucking miserable thing that just require a ton of practice. Buckle in, pull up some references, and spend a day or two filling up pages of them.
No.540877
>>540873
>day or two
you're an optimist arentcha
No.540881
>>540877
no excuses. get back to work faggot
No.540884
>>540877
well, I'm at the point where my studies go pretty well seeing as I've done numerous studies on form and anatomy beforehand, so your mileage may vary. My understanding on a body part will usually significantly improve after about 2 days of study, but that comes from a while of studying foundations.
No.540888
>>540884
nice anon. anatomy is pretty solid from what i see here. i'd say work on your faces so that they're not just le smugfaces and vary your expressions/jaw structures more
No.540893
>>540888
thanks, and I'm definitely working on that. Right now I'm trying to figure out just how much I want to exaggerate the proportions. In the face so they are still a little wonky. I'm trying to focus on an abstract realism over a more stylized look.
also, smug is my default expression when trying to see the face features and proportions in action. I do need to get out of that habit.
No.540901
>>540893
yea smug is my default expression when i'm drawing too. it's a bad habit that will prevent you from fully expressing an emotion as every emotion will become an extension of the smugface
i'd say try to go for a more neutral expression if you're just focusing on features/proportions, it will make it easier in the long run
No.542649
>>540884
Draw more of the girl at the bottom
No.542681
>>542649
Is that Molly Coddle?
No.542938
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>>524505
So are these uploads 100% complete or are they missing shit?
No.542961
>>542938
pretty sure they are 100% complete. Why do you ask?
No.547004
No.547027
>>542681
I think that's supposed to be Raggedy Ann, whom Molly Coddle is a parody of/based on.