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No.534277
Why do people think anime is better than cartoons?
I get that people have their own opinions, but seriously, why? I don't even hate animu, i even envy their animation industry as opposed to the US, or god forbid, canada, it's just not nearly as fluid.
No.534285
>>534277
why did you think your dumbass thread was even worth typing?
No.534287
>>534277
You don't deserve those dubs.
No.534288
the obvious answer is because they're weeaboos who probably rooted for japan in WWII
seriously anime is just cartoons from japan but those faggots have to make a distinction.
No.534296
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>>534285
>>534286
>>534287
It's no secret that /a/ lurks this board, i don't know who else would spend so much time complaining about "capeshit" except maybe /tv/.
Either way, keep crying, nippon can't achieve western levels of fluidity
No.534297
>>534288
>anime is just cartoons from japan
To be fair, there are certain stylistic differences that make a distinction necessary.
No.534300
>>534277
Because SJWs and tumblr do not have same influence in Japan's animation industry as they do in the US.
No.534301
>>534300
I'm talking purely about animation quality.
No.534303
>>534277
People like anime because as you said Japan actually has an industry.
So they have quantity.
But it has other things cartoons lack like genera.
Where is the romance or horror centered cartoons?
Where is the mystery?
It is always action and comedy with a large large emphasis on comedy.
9/10 when it is action its cape shit and when it is comedy it stars anthros or small children.
Cartoons are disgustingly fucking pigeon-holed.
Star vs. was incredibly animated.
Most other contemporary "fluid" cartoons are flat, noodle arm, grinning potato garbage so they better have the god damn frames lest they bring literally nothing to the table.
As far as frames go I have enough gifs on both sides to turn this thread into one man cherry picking show.
Instead understand frames are not the be all end all of grading an animation just as graphics don't make the videogame.
No.534307
>>534277
>Why do people think anime is better than cartoons?
they're retarded
No.534310
>>534296
Music videos are shorter and have larger budgets than the average full season run of most anime. And even western toons have larger budgets, like the Simpsons spending millions per episode, and they still look like utter shit.
No.534311
Because anime appeals to the uneducated and unread.
No.534313
>>534301
Animation quality doesn't matter if the message behind it is shit.
No.534314
Isn't VA for Lisa Simpson paid like 2m each episode or something ridiculous like that?
No.534317
>>534311
>vintage bait
Dayum son
No.534319
>>534317
>boo hoo someone drew over a barely visible scribble
No.534323
>>534313
>Animation quality doesn't matter if the message behind it is shit.
Spoken like a true Marxist cunt.
No.534325
>>534297
>#notallanimationfromJapan
No.534328
>>534319
>defending grinning potato shit
You deserve your cuck'd industry
No.534329
>>534296
You know that video just looks like Metalocalypse as a thumbnail, right?
No.534330
>>534328
>implying that post even mentioned potatoes
Back to your containment board, f/a/ggot
No.534331
>>534277
Because they're fucking stupid and like to call for attention by making comparisons of things that are completely different to eachother.
Are movies better than books? is Manga better than comics? Is sex better than videogames? is chocolate better than sex? (i've seen this one thrown around a lot in girly clickbait)
All they want you to do is pick a side and tear eachother apart while they laugh at both sides in the shadows.
No.534343
>>534277
One thing that appeals to me in anime is that Japs can make genuine adult-oriented cartoons.
West can only make following types of adult cartoon:
1. Sex and violence
2. Lots of random violence
3. Lots of black humor or raunchy humor
4. Family cartoons and animated sitcoms (think Simpsons)
5. Kid cartoons also aimed at young adult audiences
Japan, on other hand, mostly reserves first three categories to teenagers, and can produce serious adult-oriented anime.
What I don't like about anime is that modern anime is fucking cookie-cutter trash made to appeal to shut-in japs with shit taste, where every male protagonist is a fucking loser and every female character is a walking cliche.
No.534344
>>534319
While I agree with what >>534328 said, it is highly disrespectful to do shit like that.
It's similar to someone putting a square from a lower quality painting onto something by van Gogh. It's purely to make the person that made it feel like their art is on a level they haven't earned.
No.534349
>>534343
Most of the examples you posted towards western animation being limited to one type of adult-oriented cartoons are caused by the restrictions tightly ingrained by the moral relativity and based-on-demand decision making that surrounds the industry, the creators and artists are not at fault as much as their demanding and blind bosses are, you should take a look around what types of western animation projects get cancelled pre-pilot and post-pilot and you will see many of them had great elements that people favor in Anime or older classics.
Just to prove my point further, western animation can be as good as anime and vice-versa, none is better than the other and you will most likely waste your times and others' pondering around an age-old question that can't be answered when there's easy exits that you are very much welcome to pick if the easy road is just your thing.
A. I'm not a weeaboo… but!! this obscure anime is better than your ____ XD
B. /a/ is at it again, go at them boys! xDDD the weeaboo defense force is here!
No one really benefits from this debate, no matter how deep do you think it will go, the only ones who will rejoice while the "nerds and autists" who like "their cartoons for children and nerds" are fighting each other over a meaningless struggle are the scoundrels who wish to see nothing but strife in this imageboard or the absolute fucking retards who cannot think the consequences of their actions, Not gonna say people who like cartoons and people who like anime are all the same but i'd pretty much respect our differences to spite our true enemies.
No.534361
>>534343
>One thing that appeals to me in anime is that Japs can make genuine adult-oriented cartoons.
So retarded it hurts
No.534362
>>534344
>comparing a jap scribble to van motherfucking Gogh
Kill yourself kindly.
No.534363
>>534277
Because unlike western cartoons who are hog tied by the Bull Shit and Pee…Japan's censorship standards are lax. Lax enough that a standard shonen anime (aimed at kids, no less) can have as much violence and gore as they can. Hell, what you Western folks think should be aimed at teenagers are aimed at kids in Japan. Don't believe me? Crayon Shin-Chan is a kids show and you Western fuckers put that on Adult Swim.
No.534364
>>534362
>>534361
What's the matter? Can't handle some other culture actually doing better than Burgerland?
No.534365
What is a cartoon? Anything that isnt made by japs?
No.534366
>>534364
>japs
>culture
oh I'm laffin
No.534367
>>534366
Laugh it up…you're the guy in the sinking ship that's on fire while everybody knows when to get on the damn life boat.
No.534368
No.534369
Because 'people' like this watch anime.
Even Miyazaki admitted that anime was a mistake.
No.534370
>>534361
>>534362
>>534363
>>534364
>>534365
>>534366
>>534367
>>534369
All of you faggots who didn't read the above post, i'd sincerely like to know about your pathetic excuse, why do you avoid this truth? did you all pick the easy road? i honestly am intrigued.
>>534349
Read this post and tell me where i'm wrong. if you can read the entire thing that is.
No.534371
>>534365
Cartoon: an animated feature that values fluidity over illustration quality.
Anime: An animated feature that concentrates on illustration quality and fakes fluidity with certain tricks.
No.534372
>>534369
Yes…and Western cartoon watchers aren't overweight autists with no social life. Yeah…keep throwing the rocks out your glass house.
No.534375
>>534369
You do know he didn't actually say that, right?
No.534376
>>534349
To answer your question why some of us took the easy route? Eh, some folks in glass houses just like throwing rocks. Other people are still stuck in the "Foreigner evil, Local good" mentality.
No.534382
>>534376
It is true that both sides have their ups and downs, it has always been said that all fanbases have their own share of cringeworthy retards but right now is not the time to be focusing so much in such matters, i will accept any judgement when i tell you that i've seen this happen way too often while being a crossboarder scum, i've seen people being split on /v/ and cucked/v/ over PC vs consoles then gameplay vs graphics then western games vs japanese dev and so on, you see
You can call me a conspiracist or a tinfoil or even naive, i will accept any judgement but let me tell you that out there, there are groups of people interested in destroying anything that has to do with "8chan" as a whole and while the idea sounds incredibly gay for us, to their point of view every single one of us is "8chan" and if we don't stop focusing in our differences soon, it might be too late when the SJW and pro-censorship campaigners in disguise come and divide'n'conquer us all, we might end up being so separated that we won't have anyone else to rely on when their task force is complete and we'd be too disgusted of eachother to show any kind of support. to put it into perspective:
>These faggots want to shadowban me for something i posted!
>Heh, serves you right for posting anime/cartoons/games etc, you might share my viewpoint but people who like X or Y or even disgusting Z should kill themselves and belong in the trash.
The reason why i am being so curious besides the lack of sleep is because i might see the future of the bleak happiness and freedom we are participating in today, shall we be split and pushed around by people who don't like neither the east or the west with the help of faggots like OP and be damned forever? don't you think we are capable of coming together to preserve this for at least a few more years? it might sound like a naive dream but i'm tired of saying nothing.
No.534385
>>534382
We shouldn't be divided over such things. After all, what is anime but just a sub-genre of cartoons? Instead of fighting over which is better..we should be working with each other to kick our real enemies out. Guess what? If the SJWs win..we all, anime and cartoonfags alike are going to feel the shitwave.
No.534387
>>534385
Or…I'll put it simple to all of the mouthbreathers here…work together with each other…or we're all getting fucked in the ass harder than usual.
No.534396
>>534349
Lefty love three things:
1) Thinking of everything as a collective.
2) Thinking that they are better than everyone. In a lot cases, it is what shitty cartoons or video game they grew up with. That is why there are a lot of cultural critics. It is the only way that they know to contribute to society.
3) Race wars. Libbies love encouraging race wars. They love cheering for niggers burning down pharmacies. They love telling black people that everything is the white man's fault. They love parading a retarded definition of racism.
No.534401
No.534417
Holy God this thread is filled with some of the most flagrant bait from either side of the argument I've seen in my entire life
No.534426
Cartoons will never be able to compete with anime. It's like comparing a spastic chihuahua to a majestic lion. Anime is the only medium which had and has beauty as a standard, which can no longer be said of anything the West produces. And that's even without taking into account the sheer scope of the plots and stories. The number of Hollywood movies that ripped off anime is countless.
And to make matters worse, after some room for optimism cartoons have yet again plunged into the gutter.
But to repeat my initial statement with firmer words - I'm saying that anime is far better than anything Hollywood or any other cinematography has ever produced. It is the superior medium with an insane amount of creativity behind it.
Now for some more ragefuel, because I'm generous like that - Neon Genesis Evangelion is the best piece of media created in the whole of the 20th century. It is a masterpiece in the purest sense of the word.
No.534445
>>534296
Some people are just really frustrated with current state of whole American comic industry, and capes and big two get the blame. Besides that you have horrible quality of modern day comic books, especially ones from Marvel and DC. /co/ is also one of the very few English language places where you can talk about non-superhero comics that aren't manga. Add a handful of cape burnouts, and you have a big crowd of people who don't like superheroes very much.
>>534382
You are not paranoid. Why do you think that every time /co/ got spammed, it was always exclusively with anime/manga images?
No.534447
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>>534426
Try harder next time.
No.534495
>>534303
>Cartoons are disgustingly fucking pigeon-holed.
This.
This goes a while back. A few decades ago, the west was throwing together cheap crap that only kids with their low standards would bother to watch, while japan was working with a greater scope.
"Japanimation." Remained a niche thing almost nobody ever heard of over here until sometime in the 90's. I think like teenagers and pre-teens started seeing Dragon Ball Z on Toonami and were blown away by seeing a "cartoon" where guys actually beat each other up, rather than the over-the-top stuff in looney toons. Or at least I think that was a major gateway anime.
In any case the dam broke and now a bunch of people were clamoring for animation that did more than slapstick comedy, and the west had provided little or none outside of Batman TAS.
So then there's a boom of imports and dubs to sate this interest, as well as western makers taking notes from japan to make stuff wider in scope, or just superficially copying visual styles.
I think currently things have calmed down. The western anime boom has largely abated, and it's gone back to being more of a niche, though a bigger more well known one. And western shows have been drawn back to the pidgeonhole to some large extent, and looking "anime" just isn't "hip" anymore.
No.534602
Both industries are kinda shit right now. Western animation can basically only do the same kids cartoon or the same adult cartoon over and over again. Japanese animation is stuck making shit about some mediocre, boring guy actually being the best thing ever and saving the universe or something. Or it's just cute girls do cute things.
That's not to say that there aren't good examples from each, especially as far as short films and shit are concerned. But the mainline produced shit is pretty meh.
No.534649
I dont know anyone that lumps all anime as better then all cartoons.
I like certain cartoons and I like certain anime, I kinda wish we could discuss anime here because /a/ is fucking garbage(but really I just wish /a/ was better.
No.534716
Why are cartoons doing so well when anime is such a big failure they have to pander to autistic manchildren just to hope to break even?
Average animator makes 20k and the big names are expecting chinese cartoons to collapse any time now.
No.534719
>>534303
>Star vs. was incredibly animated.
That's a real low bar you got there, anon.
No.534720
I just want a Western Real robot show. I know the West can do it since it wouldnt be like some traditional gundamu bullshit.
We can do some god damn good super robot already
No.534760
>>534310
>getting hurt
Mostly one of the reasons why is because mostly /a/ weebs, don't buy shit for there fav weeb cartoon and most of the time pirates the shit shit out of it and this because some anime studio really did needed the money and especially Manglobe sine some of there force at the were arming at an american viewers (i.e Samurai Champloo) but you faggots keep only pirating and now your chinese cartoons have a lower budget.
No.534762
>>534716
They've been saying that since 2005..still going today and not going to stop soon..even if they got nothing that wows people at the moment. Cartoons are doing well? Where? Show me where because cartoons are suffering right now.
No.534763
>>534760
You know how fucking expensive it is to import manga?
No.534775
>>534277
they can write for target audiences that aren't children without having to worry if the censors will catch it, OAVs don't need toylines, etc.
No.534792
>>534775
Aren't waifu figurines huge business these days?
No.534798
>>534792
yes
but an 70$ figure isant really a kids toy to begin with.
Even Gundam model kits are advertised for teenagers
No.534815
>>534277
Well, anime does have the advantage of getting into other genres than comedy and children's programming a lot more than cartoons. Sure, there's way too much moeshit, but occasionally there's also something like pic related.
And there's just a lot more anime produced to choose between than cartoons.
No.534818
>>534815
i still haven't seen western hentai like they make avatar and korra
No.534822
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>>534815
>like pic related
shonen trash is just as bad as moeshit
No.534829
There's lots of both cartoons and anime I like. However, I think the majority of both modern day cartoons and modern day anime suck.
No.534831
>>534277
>Why do people think anime is better than cartoons?
Because you will never going to see pics related in a US cartoon. Also cartoons are auto-censored by their creators.
There was a time when the cartoons made in the US were going to be hardcore in many levels BUT Ted Turner undermined the possibility. To the point where many good cartoons were killed by the effect and influence of his power (until this day).
-Gargoyles
-The Pirates of Dark Water
-Swat Kats
-Sym-Bionic Titan
-Young Justice
and the list goes on and on.
A particular case was Todd McFarlane's Spawn. It had violence, sex and many adult themes BUT aired on HBO and they always had the GONADAS to push boundaries and something similar in a normal channel today is unlikely. Also when they do adult content is always in a
CARTOONY WAY
never in a serious way
No.534841
>>534831
This.
Anime appeals to autistic retards, cartoons can't compete.
No.534842
Because weebs are retarded enough to think sex and violence = mature
No.534843
>>534831
sauce on 3rd one?
it is 90s isn't it?
No.534846
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>>534815
Soul Eater was really good, shame about the ending though.
Who knows, maybe in few years action-comedy will become flavor of the month for adult cartoons in the west. It used to be all about family sitcoms, now it is all parody and surreal humor.
Late 90s and early 2000s were pretty good, but unfortunately it all went to shit.
>>534829
Majority of everything sucks. There is just a lot of anime being made covering a lot of genres, so probability of something good coming out is higher.
>>534831
Don't forget about Aeon Flux, Batman TAS. There was also Spectacular Spider-man, but it of course had to get canned after Disney buyout.
>Spawn
Why doesn't HBO do serious animation anymore? Too expensive? Many of their series cater to niche markets anyway while also having cash cows like GoT, SatC, BE, True Blood, and Sopranos that give them steady stream of revenue. Making an adult animation that isn't comedy, might be the next goldmine. Hell, reviving the Amazing Screw-On Head or picking up Fincher's The Goon adaptation and turning it into series would tack comedy, action, and serious stuff all at once. HBO basically revived historical dramas with their Rome series, same for TV fantasy with Game of Thrones, so why not give cartoons a shot?
No.534856
>>534277
lots of people like myself wanted serious stories in animation and anime provided that. People turned to anime for mature animation. This was before the recession turned 100% of anime into moe fanservice love hina knock off harem garbage with nothing redeemable making all of anime into nothing more than a punchline.
>>534343
This post demonstrates my point.
>>534495
also this. People forgive DBZ, pokemon, YGO and other shit for literally anything because it was so mindblowing for a kid, despite 4kids cencorship. People even ignore the horrendous DB dubs despite the same faggots whining non stop about every other english translation.
No.534867
Well, anime isn't being used as a soapbox for faggots from San Fran to push social justice and diversity onto children, like cartoons are.
In my book that makes it better by default.
And, as has been mentioned several times but deserves to be mentioned again, anime is actually allowed to explore adult themes. Cartoons that try to do the same are shit on by executives and canceled because "kids don't like serious cartoons!" and "this wont sell toys!"
Just look at CN's current lineup. Nothing but le whacky random xD garbage.
That's fine some of the time, but not all of the time.
No.534870
>>534719
It actually had inbetweening.
Please point out another cartoon to actually do that in recent years.
No.534872
>>534867
Trannies love Sailor Moon and Utena
No.534873
>>534870
>inbetweening
… almost every cartoon that isn't using puppet animation has inbetweening. Do you know what you are talking about?
No.534874
>>534873
Still waiting for a name or better yet a screenshot.
No.534875
>>534872
Trannies also love breathing, so you better stop doing that.
No.534876
>>534874
what are you talking about?
No.534879
The fight over which is superior is pointless since I'd argue that neither industry is in a ideal state. Studios on both sides of the Pacific are generally stuck producing shows engineered to generate views and merchandise to keep the lights on.
>But anime = mature!
Tits and gore doesn't necessarily make anime better, especially when they're initially censored to boost DVD/BR sales. And it's not like most anime are complex in the writing department.
>>534846
>Why doesn't HBO do serious animation anymore? Too expensive?
There's your answer right there. Apparently they haven't had an in-house animation studio in years.
No.534880
>>534879
>Watch Gundam 0079
>Expect some cookie cutter badguy vs good guy war
>Show gives the Zeon Grunts character and makes you feel bad when to die to the Gundam
I enjoy anime writing sometimes
No.534882
The big thing both sides have to realise is that animation is just the medium. The medium could define things when used to the best potential but most of the time it is not.
Creators should just tell the story they want the way they want without too many limitations. Generally speaking it appears that western animation suffers from more creative constraints.
No.534884
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>>534882
Its like how when video games started book authors went to them to make some really compelling stories in a new type of medium.
No.534887
>>534867
>Well, anime isn't being used as a soapbox for faggots from San Fran to push social justice and diversity onto children, like cartoons are.
>In my book that makes it better by default.
Anime pushes its own agenda. Japan is a very conformist country, so that's why every harem for example ends with the aloof NEET male protagonist working and joining society. It's just that pussy was the bait to get him to start applying himself.
Don't kid yourself, all media is indoctrination material of some sort.
No.534899
I never get the whole Anime vs Cartoons thing that comes up often.
The father of Anime; Osamu Tezuka was solely influenced on Cartoons
and 80's forward a lot of Cartoons had Japanese animation studios, a lot of Animaniacs was done in Japan does that make Animaniacs the greatest anime of all time?
this argument a shit but I'm not gonna just say that without giving a direct answer
if we're speaking industrially; Anime trumps Cartoons by a long shot.
and it hurts me to say that because I strongly prefer Cartoons.
In Japan anyone and their grandmothers can make an anime if they wanted to, and no one would tell them what not to do with the direction they take.
in good 'ol Burgerland these days you better either make an "adult" show with nothing but dick and fart jokes or a kids cartoon that panders to Tumblr to teach the young kiddlies good moral's.
even if you do get to make a show there's no guarantee; in fact, you better EXPECT that the studio will eventually fire your ass, hire different writers to fuck up your creation, and you don't get a dime from the merch it sells.
Japan-land treats animation like a different medium; as should and can have a show almost anywhere.
only 3-4 TV stations in the US give a rats-ass about animation.
No.534914
>>534426
Fuck off you tripfagging cuck, nobody likes you.
>>534884
I don't think that was ever actually a common thing. Harlan Ellison was asked to work on the I Have no Mouth game, and came away with a negative impression for it I believe.
The only other example I know of is Hideo Kojima, who wanted to write/direct movies but went to games because it was new and different.
No.534915
>>534887
>so that's why every harem for example ends with the aloof NEET male protagonist working and joining society
An agenda that tries to convince teenagers to become contributing members of society is nowhere near as bad as an agenda that pushes harmful and divisive politics onto susceptible children who aren't old enough to form their own opinions. It's hard for me to believe the two even compare.
No.534917
>>534915
Except anime tells young men that women are idealized waifus and oh soooo worth the stress and effort which is bullshit. Women are nothing close to how media especially cartoons of all things represents. Anime is no different. Waifu shit is cancerous and a major lie. Raise a boy on lies and he cannot handle reality in regards to the opposite sex.
No.534924
>>534917
>It's this guy again
Listen, we get it, you hate vaginas. Express your autism elsewhere.
No.534933
>>534917
You have it all wrong anon. Anime and the girls therein are escapism for them. They already know that women aren't worth the effort, so they turn to anime and waifus.
You seriously couldn't have had it more backwards.
No.534939
I appreciate both anime and western cartoons for what they are, pioneers that want to make great animation for people to enjoy.
This whole war with east v.s western animation is just neckbeards arguing with neckbeards and being elitists fuck while they are ignoring the positives of each genre.
No.534943
>>534880
>5 minutes into war and chill and he gives you that look
No.534947
>this shitty bait is still up
wew nice board
No.534951
>>534947
>m-m-m-MODS! they're discussing topics i dont like!!!
wew back to reddit
No.534987
I think this is best referred to as "punching down".
Last year in 2015 there were 163 anime series made.
Not including OVAs or movies.
Those numbers are 34 and 40 respectivly.
What cartoons did you watch last year?
>Gravity Falls
>Adventure Time
>Steven Universe
>Star Vs. The Forces of Evil
Maybe you hiked up your big boy pants and watched Moonbeam City and were mildly entertained.
Did you watch Teen Titans GO?
That is unfortunate.
How many direct to DVD cartoons?
>Justice League: Throne of Atlantis
>Batman vs. Robin
>Justice League: Gods and Monsters
1/3 aint bad.
And how many theatrical cartoons were there period?
How many were aimed at children?
Oh look, the Oscars recently happened and an anime made it onto the list of Oscar nominees right up there with such illustrious titles as Shaun The Sheep, how charming.
And the winner was Inside Out, who could have guessed.
What did I watch though?
>One Punch Man.
>The later half of Stardust Crusaders.
>The later half of Ghost in the Shell: Arise.
>Little Witch Academia: The Enchanted Parade.
>Blood Blockade Battlefront.
>Overlord
>Monster Musume
>Yamada-kun and the Seven Witches
>Rampo Kitan: Game of Laplace
>DanMachi
>Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers
>Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei Herz!
>Owarimonogatari
>Death Parade
>Shimoneta
>Gangsta
The list goes on of just the ones I actually watched beginning to end.
I dropped a bunch for one reason or another.
I think I should pick Maria the Virgin Witch, Wish Upon the Pleiades and The Rolling Girls back up.
There are even a few I never checked out that seem interesting.
And you asked the question
>"Why do people think anime is better than cartoons?"
No.534988
>>534987
So your saying Anime has more porn or "No seriously its not porn!" released a year?
Regardless, Anime has just as much shit released as regular cartoons. Difference is that weebs just have shit taste, so they get an impression that anime releases more "Quality" products.
No.534995
>>534887
>aloof NEET male protagonist working and joining society
>indoctrination
>>534915
this
No.534998
>>534914
I never actually notice it's tripfag-kun until someone like you mentions it.
No.535021
Cartoons are better for comedy, but anime is better for more serious storytelling, and that's only because of the extreme limitations that plague the western animation industry. Generally, western storytellers are far and away better than their Japanese counterparts, but in the world of animation, they're forced to make either comedies or comedies with a little bit of action. Often they fail on both fronts, as the jokes are often aggressively unfunny, and the action is boring to watch because of how poor the animation is. They're rarely allowed to focus on stories or character development(unless they suck progressive cock, like SU),and they're almost never allowed to even scratch the surface of topics like sex, religion, or politics, things that are central to almost every civilization(unless of course it's a stoner comedy show, but good luck getting anything of value from one of those), which limits them even further.
It's a catch 22; so many people don't want to fund, or even watch, mature, story-driven animated films/shows, because no one has ever seen one since the 80s, because no one wants to fund or watch one. This really hurts when you see something that come so close to realizing the potential of western animated storytelling, like Batman:TAS, but still falls short because of it's aforementioned limitations.
Given the larger budgets that western cartoons often have, they could be putting anime to shame, if people would get over this "someone drew it, so it's for kids" nonsense.
No.535022
>>534277
>tfw animation by amateurs is better than anything major produced in cartoons in years.
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No.535054
>>534495
I saw akira when I was 4
it was on sci-fi in 1991
Sci-fi used to do a sort of anime week at the time
shit was so cash, look into it
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No.535056
>>535055
get grease monkey and install 8chan x
No.535069
>>534277
That was pretty sick animation.
No.535071
>>534831
>gargoyles
had a damn good run. just look at the season 2 finale as the end of the series and forget the anti-gargoyle kkk
>swat kats
ouch
>pirates of dark water
salt in the wounds
>symbionic titan
alas
>young justice
its popularity on netflix is such that I've heard rumor netflix is considering putting up the cash for a third season
probably just a rumor like all the others…
No.535120
Japs know how to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
No.535130
>>535120
It's really embarrassing that you're sitting there pretending it isn't western animation appealing to the lowest common denominator.
You're basically implying that slapstick and fart jokes are high brow. Stop.
No.535131
>>535130
Slapstick and fart jokes are just shit kids like.
Hikikomori are a whole new level of lowest common denominator, anon.
No.535133
>>535131
>Slapstick and fart jokes are just shit kids like.
And thus every single cartoon on the market must contain these. Which leads to cartoons being very samey.
>Hikikomori are a whole new level of lowest common denominator, anon.
I don't give a damn if you don't like hikikomori normalfag. They aren't the lowest common denominator, kids are. That is why you don't need a wide variety of themes to appeal to them, whereas anime explores many different themes.
You keep saying "lowest common denominator", but I don't think you know what it means.
No.535134
>>535133
>Kids lowest common denominator
>Not the autistic waifu-obsessed Japs with no lives that are actually considered a national threat
Also, I'm not the same anon the other guy was. I admit western cartoons are samey but it's not wrong that anime is so popular because of who it appeals to. Cartoons are samey because kids aren't as much of faggots as hikikomori and don't spend their entire lives devoting themselves to buying merchandise or some shit. Action cartoons don't exist anymore specifically because action figures stopped selling. Even kids don't really buy this shit anymore.
Kid cartoons aren't high-brow but kids are not the worst of fans.
No.535137
>>535131
>>535134
You guys don't watch a lot of anime OR pay attention to /co/ very much, do you? Because /co/ has the worst waifufags around, if you haven't noticed.
At least when the Nips make blatant waifu-bait characters they are doing it on purpose to appeal to common human desires. Meanwhile, autists on /co/ are busy fapping themselves raw over Trixie Tang's terrible triangle tits or spamming random screencaps of some non-character with the proportions of a lollipop.
No.535140
>>535134
>i don't like the fans of anime so anime is bad
Not everyone who enjoys anime falls under the label of "hikikomori" just like all people who watch cartoons aren't kids. I don't know what point you and the poster who came before you thought you were making, but you weren't making one.
If hikikomori were the common denominator then anime wouldn't need to explore the wide variety of themes that it does. There would simply be one cookie cutter formula for successful anime and everyone would follow it to success (which is what western animators are doing today with all the whacky and random cartoons being put out)
I get it that you don't like anime or fans of anime. I think it's retarded and borderline autistic, but I get it. However that doesn't mean you get to go around saying shit that's blatantly wrong.
Also,
>>535137
>You guys don't watch a lot of anime OR pay attention to /co/ very much, do you? Because /co/ has the worst waifufags around,
^This
No.535145
>>535134
>Cartoons are samey because kids aren't as much of faggots as hikikomori and don't spend their entire lives devoting themselves to buying merchandise or some shit.
I also want to point out that this is wrong. Action figures may not be the big money maker any more, but cartoon merch still sells. Shirts, dresses. hats, backpacks, watches, stuffed animals, seatbelts, wristbands, underwear and even video games (crappy ones made in flash, shit out in under a week to be sold on the app store) are licensed, made and sold. You'd best believe kids beg their parents for all that shit and more.
No.535162
>>534987
>The later half of Ghost in the Shell: Arise.
I'm so sorry for your loss
No.535164
>>534917
>Women are nothing close to how media especially cartoons of all things represents
Same goes for men. In most of cartoons they range from emasculated idiots to sociopath thugs and narcissists.
No.535190
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>>535022
This, when it's not made for profit, or at least when that isn't the primary goal, western animation is god-tier
No.535204
So after this thread got 100+ replies, half of which were from butthurt weebs, can we all agree that /a/ comes here to shitpost?
It's baffling to me that people don't know this already.
No.535256
>>534899
>In Japan anyone and their grandmothers can make an anime if they wanted to, and no one would tell them what not to do with the direction they take.
A majority of anime are just adaptations of light novels or manga. Not to mention that any anime that isn't a shonen or cardgame tie-in is aired late in the night and depends on overpriced blu-ray sales and merchandise to succeed rather than TV ratings, since the target demographic is puny as hell. And moeshit is the one type of anime that sells the most copies. So whilst anime outside this spectrum can exist, it's rare as fuck.
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No.535942
>>535929
>Watchmojo
Came here just to call you a faggot.
No.536457
>>535204
>complains about people shitposting
>while shitposting
Back to >>>/b/ kiddo.
No.536469
>>535942
You could probably use pic related.
No.536656
>>535256
People really don't realise that most of the anime that's talked about in English is pretty niche, relatively, and may well have more fans overseas than it does in Japan.
Most anime that makes any money on its own is the Japanese equivalent of American cartoons. Hence why shonen series go on til the heat death of the universe.
No.541153
>>535929
>Watchmojo did a video about that
Watchmojo has made a video about everything. Get AIDS.
No.541173
>>535929
>Watchmojo
>Published February 2016
>Reason #4 is Strong Female Characters
No.541212
>>535204
>bumping the /a/ shitpost thread
No.543443
>>534899
>In Japan anyone and their grandmothers can make an anime if they wanted to, and no one would tell them what not to do with the direction they take.
>Pretending that Japanese animation doesn't have suits telling the guys doing the show what to do. Or that there aren't conflicts in production.
Stop idealizing the animu industry. Hell, just look up Gundam 00's production history.
>>535137
>You guys don't watch a lot of anime OR pay attention to /co/ very much, do you? Because /co/ has the worst waifufags around, if you haven't noticed.
Look at all the pics for that Loud House show.
>>535256
Seriously. Certain posters here should stop putting animu on a pedestal. In case you didn't notice, for years the smash hits in Japan's broadcast and DVD animu scenes count as one of the following:
1. Shows that are vehicles to sell merchandise (see Gundam).
2. Animated versions of shonen manga or other mango or Light Novels.
3. The girls (or boys) wandering around doing silly junk in school or wherever
Mongs here are pretending that all of the mainsteam animu is Neon Evangelion.
>>536656
The Japanese really don't take animu seriously. They see it as stuff for kids and otaku.
No.543445
>>541173
Nobody has ever shown what makes a Strong Female Character without policing creators.
No.543455
>>543445
People say all the time that you should make a character first, and have it also be a woman.
However to be fair, that's still policing creators to a degree.
No.543477
>>534286
>>534310
>>534285
You have to go back. >>>/a/
>>534426
>Neon Genesis Evangelion is the best piece of media created in the whole of the 20th century.
I expected better from a namefag.
>>534311
>>534369
>>534417
>>534822
This.
>>534846
>shame about the ending though.
Most animoos start off well enough but always end up becoming trash. Except Hunter x Hunter which suffers only due to too many hiatuses.
No.543537
>>534426
Not even touching anime vs cartoons…but
EVA sucks. It has always sucked. Why is such a shitty anime with its pathetic protagonist overrated so much?
No.543557
>>543537
It got praise for deconstructing or showing giant robot animu in a more realistic light. Nevermind that Mobile Suit Gundam did it earlier.
No.543560
>>543557
So wait, if you put an unstable teenager into a instability inducing robot- The teenager will just get more unstable! Why I be! Thats so clever it deserves all my money and 4 movies at LEAST.
No.543590
>>534277
Any quality judgement like "better" or "worse" is going to be subjective, but I'll explain why anime is different from cartoons.
First of all, anime has genres other than kids' shows and adult sitcoms. If you're into serious stuff or "moe", then anime is your only choice.
Anime also suffers from less censorship. You'd never see panty-shots on Disney XD.
Finally, there's less corporate bullshit in anime. It's less common to see an anime studio completely butcher their own show just to sell cheap plastic shit to gullible kids, nor do you get endless rehashes of the same old capeshit because they're too afraid to take risks.
No.543823
>>534296
>muh fluidity
get out of here disneyfag, fluidity's not worth shit if it's at the cost of everything being bland
No.544067
>>543590
>First of all, anime has genres other than kids' shows and adult sitcoms.
So does Western Animation. They may not be mainstream, but the mature shows for mature men like myself aren't really mainstream if that's the case.
>Anime also suffers from less censorship. You'd never see panty-shots on Disney XD.
>Finally, there's less corporate bullshit in anime. It's less common to see an anime studio completely butcher their own show just to sell cheap plastic shit to gullible kids, nor do you get endless rehashes of the same old capeshit because they're too afraid to take risks.
1. Go look up Gundam 00's production history.
2. Sure. Instead you get animated versions of manga and light novels with vehicles to sell merchandise.
No.547914
I've been to Japan and it's fun but expensive as fuck.
A great place to be drunk though.
No.548042
I really don't get this argument about Japs can't into fluidity.
They can do both fluidity and dynamic scenes at once pretty well.
Bottom-tier anime looks stiff, but the Simpsons has a huge budget and still looks stiff as a board. It really strikes me as a cultural difference where Americans wish solely for standardisation whereas Japs wish to make the best scenes that they're budget allows even if it means conserving their animation budget for one or two memorable scenes if neccessary. I'll post some more examples in a sec.
FIX YOUR SHIT, CRIPPLEWHEELS
No.548045
>>534277
ANIME ANIMATES BEFORE VO
Thats why everything is so soulless.
WEST ANIMATES TO THE VO
This is why it's so much more expressive.
No.548050
>>548042
Uploading shit is being a giant pain in the dick today
No.548054
>>548050
>>548042
Those don't look good. In the case of the cowboy bebop clip, it's an argument in favor of anime's lack of fluidity. Really bad stuff.
No.548079
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>>548050
Western animation only looks smooth because it's slow, seriously watch this and count out how long it takes for each facial expression to transition to the next.
In dramatic timing it's practically an eternity, the face is almost stationary at times, everything looks smooth because it's stretched out over lots and lots of frames.
Anime tends to try and convey as much information as possible in as few frames as possible (when it's not being padded to shit because otherwise DBZ would be about 60 episodes long)
https://youtu dot be/oz49vQwSoTE?t=294
No.548104
>>548053
Imagine if the first R-rated CGI movie looked like this instead of Sausage Party.
No.548117