/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

Actually Gotham joker is still a man. He just trapped in a woman body this time.

Go back to /tv/ faggot.

are the ratings that bad?

>>537838

The most hated Doctor randomly made a long running villain transgender first. Even BBC at least cast a cute actress for trans Master. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_(Doctor_Who)

>>537842

Yes. But Gotham has a lower budget than arrow and flash.

>>537846

Looks like someone took Ziggy Stardust's remains and vomited them all over Jared Leto's Joker

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>>537846

Tank girl use to be QT as fuck when I was a kid.

I think I like Leto's more than this.

>>537892

Jared Leto also prettier girl

WEW

Sounds like she's just another of this show's fake Jokers: This time, one of those people close enough to the edge already that they were pushed over by Jerome-Joker's* broadcast.

*It was Jerome, right? I can't be fucked to look it up, at the moment.

Have they at least had Mark Hamill casually stroll through the background once?

>>537985

The cartoons are the only things that have ever deserved Adam West.

>>537985

>Nearly everything but the cartoons avoid him like the plague.

But why though?

>>538007

Probably trying to deny that the Adam West era ever existed, that Batman has ever been anything other than darkness and brooding and PARENTS DEAD BATS IN SOUL grim and morose and fear etc. etc.

>>537844

>The most hated Doctor

Colin Baker?

>>538007

because the 60's batman didn't take itself seriously. capeshit today is grimdark edgelord bullshit

>>538210

Even arkham origins had batman

>>538210

Honestly I'd watch a Batman show if Batman and the Joker were treated as myths/never really shown on screen, and instead it focused on the hired goons or the Gotham police/Commissioner Gordon

>>538213

How on Earth would that work? Bullock turns up at the crime scene to find 15 knocked out mobsters with clown face paint. He is not sure why they are wearing face paint or are bruised and beaten. 24 episodes of that.

>>538217

Not him but if they just didn't feature the joker, it would work fine.

They could work with some of the bigger villains being previously established, occasionally Commissioner Gordon would find random criminals or even supervillains tied up on the precinct steps with everyone but him wondering how they got there.

>>538220

But how is there any dramatic tension of conflict if they are just there?

>>538221

There's not, it would be like an easter egg or minor plot point.

I'm surprised we haven't seen a young teen Harleen Quinzel studying Psychology with Bruce yet.

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>>538222

So it'd be just like NCIS except that they'd occasionally mention there's a giant lizard man eating people in the sewers?

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>>538222

You do realize they've already done this right? It was called Gotham Central. It was a great concept and I personally really dug the art style, but the reception was lukewarm. I've only read a few arcs, but from what I've heard the writing was pretty shit overall. The most famous story arc is about Montoya coming out as a lesbian, being treated differently, and then being kidnapped by Two-Face. Needless to say it one a lot of awards.

I really enjoyed the "Soft Targets" story arc though. Joker fucks with the GPD for shits and giggles but get's captured. He's hidden bombs or some shit and they try to interrogate him, but he's only interested in talking to Batman – as usual, it's all about Batman. Later Joker kills more cops while in custody, Batman magically appears in building, plays word games with the Joker, diffuses the bombs and resolves the situation; meanwhile the GPD is left to clean up the bodies of their friends and coworkers. The arc is a fairly well executed excuse to examine the frustration of the GPD, who go out and get killed by hyper-competent psychopaths, but it's all in the context of Batman vs Villain conflicts; the villains don't even recognize the GPD, only Batman. But what really needles them is how hopelessly powerless they are. This is pretty well demonstrated with the Joker: even when they've captured him they can't get him to talk, they can't contain him, and they can't keep him from killing even while in custody. They have to wait for the retard in the bat costume to take down the circus freak, because the freaks and retards control the world and the GPD are just pawns and cannon fodder. And it wouldn't be so bad if they could believe that Batman was the problem, and that if he was gone they could just put guys like Joker away for good. But they can't believe that, because they can't ignore the fact that whatever there's always going to be some perfectly executed villainous scheme that take them into account and goes way over their head. With or without Batman, they have no agency. The retard in the Bat costume showing up before you get impaled on your own nightstick is the best case scenario.

Being a Gotham Police Officer is an existential nightmare.

>>538262

>You do realize they've already done this right? It was called Gotham Central. It was a great concept and I personally really dug the art style, but the reception was lukewarm.

Gotham Central was a great concept, too bad the execution was uneven.

I just want my Law&Order: Gotham done as a miniseries.

>>538262

>but from what I've heard the writing was pretty shit overall.

The writing was uneven. You had half the book being written by Ed Brubaker, the good 2000s Batman writer, and you had the other half being written by Greg Rucka, the bad 2000s Batman writer. Then Brubaker left for Marvel and Rucka was stuck running the show.

Yes, he does try to push his political viewpoints. A lot.

>>537985

I really feel for the man. He never could get taken seriously as an actor after that silly cape show he was in. His career ended up a lump of dogshit.

>>538291

Do you not understand the concept of cross-board posting?

>>537838

What the fuck am I looking at.

I really don't understand the boner faggots on /co/ have for West's Batman series, have any of you ever actually seated and watched the whole thing? There's a point where shit just gets retarded and boring, the whole detective aspect is almost a parody of itself with batman's deductive trail making no sense in most cases, every character being flat trough the entirety of the show like robin spouting random one liners; and let's not forget the whole "not taking itself seriously" shtick that so many people seem to use as an excuse for lazy writing, the source material was much better than that

>inb4 hurr durr edgy

>>538541

I don't hate on the 60's Adam West Batman, but for me if I want a more all ages friendly batman, the animated Brave & The Bold is a better balanced show.

>>538541

Capeshit is inherently silly. The only time it is fun is when they embrace it.

Who looks at that design and says "Yup, that looks good!"

Yeah, real intimidating glasses there.

>>538541

You sound just like the faggot writers who turned Batman "edgy" cause they got their panties in a twists cause their dumb comics were becoming mainstream and thought Batman was funny.

>>538612

But it wasn't fun at all, just very repetitive and bland

>>538667

>muh edgy

You sure showed me

>>538601

I don't mind Batman having a darker tone, it suits him, but there's a line between 'adult' and 'edgy' that a content creator has to be careful not to stumble over.

Modern Batman has been wedged firmly into edgy territory, and it's getting rather tiresome.

>>538687

Yeah, but everyone's range and line between adult mature, and overly "Shadow the EdgeHog" is going to be differerent, yes?

For my own preference at least, silly but not enjoyable would be the Schumacher batman. Light but has episodes where it's pretty serious drama and enjoyable, animated Brave and the bold.

The darker themed batman that I still enjoy would be Miller DKR book and animated, cause hell I still do, IDGAF. Nolan's trilogy, even with the bane meme. Fuck, maybe I enjoyed the third one only for the bane meme.

Also even if it is nostalgia, the Neal Adams batman since those were my first batman comics. Though I haven't read it in a long time so I'm admittedly fuzzy on where Adams batman would be in the light to dark spectrum. And almost anything by Bruce Timm and voiced by Conroy is probably my ideal middle ground Batman.

> Modern Batman has been wedged firmly into edgy territory, and it's getting rather tiresome.

I know what you're saying, though wasn't the really old pulp batman was pretty brutal. A lot of the origin blurb always plays up the Zorro influence. But shit mang, wasn't Bat also heavily influenced by the Shadow? With the no guns thing brought in later to distinguish him from Lamont Cranston?

All this anger.

Implying that this isn't just another red herring.

This bitch is just inspired by Jerome's antics, and when she dies, her antics will go on to also inspire that random male comedian that Fish Mooney was listening to in season 1 when Selina came to interview for a job.

>>538910

Got any meatball with all that salty pasta?

>>537844

Simms Master was fun as shit.

I don't give a shit about this…thing.

Also, Jacobi was cool as fuck.

>>537838

Okay, can we stop with the trashy Joker look?

I like Heath Joker, but that was ONE interpretation of him. I prefer the clean look he had in the past. I don't like seeing how much they can fuck up his make-up or his clothes

I want the Clown PRINCE of Crime, not the Trashy Goth of Mild Annoyance

>>538007

Pretty much what others have said. They don't embrace Batman's history, good or bad. Bruce Timm really does feel like he loves the character, which is why we got shows like BTAS, JL/U, and Brave and the Bold.

Someone that has appreciation for the past like him can make something really good. You don't create a generation of fans for a character without showing how much you love it by creating things with consistent quality

That all said, West's show wasn't that good, and his only tie to Batman is playing the role. Even if it's not accurate, Stan Lee had a hand in Marvel's history, where as you can't really say the same for Batman and West. Maybe for the TV shows, which is why Timm or whoever opted for him to play Gray Ghost.

I dunno, I still respect what he did, but I'm not too broken up about him being ignored for the DCCU Mostly because it's not been that good anyway

>>539095

>Having heard the whole argument about Batman always having been super dark is tiresome as fuck.

Ah c'mon, that's the same type of obfuscating non-argument as "Batman has never ever been dark in the beginning, that's only a recent edgelord modern trend." Batman might not be Spawn level grimdark in the beginning, but he didn't start out as Adam West either.

>>538910

Redditfag status

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>>538541

>I really don't understand the boner faggots on /co/ have for West's Batman series

Some faggots on /co/ are just plain \co\ntrarians. The faggots you're talking about don't really like the 60's West series, they just want an excuse to have a sperg out with 'not all bats are grimdark.'

Same shit different day.

>>539123

> It's a tell-tale sign of their plebbitor status and is annoying if you've been on imageboards an extended period of time.

Sheeeit, I thought it was because people are just lazy to resize the window.

>You're absolutely right. Batman didn't start out as Adam West. He started out as BLATANT COPY-RIGHT INFRINGEMENT. Really, even Bill Finger said that the first Batman story was a lift of a Shadow story.

So what's the problem? The post even mentioned that part with Batman having a lot of similarity to the Shadow.

>>537846

>The Joker is more of a mindset than a person

Honestly, that's actually not a bad take on the whole Joker thing. At least it's better than him being the immortal god of laughter or some shit.

>>539123

Jimmy your investigative method of reddit paragraphing is flawed. Different DPI settings can change how the paragraph can be displayed on a screen. If I go by your method, your own post format is flagged as a redittor on my monitor.

Polite sahgay.

>>539178

and of course I fucked up the sage.

>>539141

I could accept it, but only if they do one specific thing:

A pun about how laughter is infectious

>>539141

> better than him being the immortal god of laughter or some shit

That's now canon isn't it?

>>539128

>Some faggots on /co/ are just plain \co\ntrarians

No we're not!

>>538213

*hired guns

>>539373

I don't know, I haven't read endgame. If I'm not completely wrong about it they state that it's not true and he just has access to a Lazarus Pit.

>>539141

Rather fitting given you could damn near say the same of Batman.

So, Joker the insane mass murdering clown that screams for attention every chance he gets is a tranny?

… that fits too well.

I wouldn't be shocked if this was yet another red herring, remember the last "Joker"? Yeah…..

>>538245

That could work

>>538210

This whole gig gone way too far into "Batman and Robin: men in tights" direction to turn anywhere less gay than Brokebat Mountains and less ridiculous than balls out furry at the same time.

Besides, an emo millionaire ninja in a fursuit triggered into fake hoplophobia isn't such cutting edge things these days. One mistake, and precious snowflakes will proclaim him downright conservative (he wears black, after all), and then all is lost.

Bailing out of batplane for a while may be a necessity.

>>547699

>emo millionaire ninja in a fursuit triggered into fake hoplophobia

Hah, brilliant! I'm gonna use this to trigger capetards from now on.

>>539053

She reminds me of Ainley, especially with the weird as fuck sexual tension. I really liked Ainley, so I don't mind Missy all that much.

>>538210

My main issue with gotham is when they throw in bits from the batman timeline. Like how nigma is a central character, or how "THIS CHARACTER IS GOING TO GROW UP TO BE…"

I can buy penguin being a part of the show because he has to be in his fifties when batman is around, and he's in his early twenties in the show I think. Plus it's nice to see how he learns to become an aristocratic mob boss. You just don't pick that shit up over night. I haven't caught up with the second half of season 2 yet, but all the things I'm seeing make me want to drop it. I don't want batman villains with no batman. If jim can take them down, then what's the point of needing batman in the future?

I do give it more credit than agents of shield. That's a stupid fucking premise "HEY GUYS THIS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN THE SAME WORLD AS THE MARVEL MOVIES, BUT WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY MARVEL HEROES OR VILLAINS IN IT!"

>>537985

well, he does the lego games, if it counts for anything.

>>538541

>muh batman must always be grimdark despite the fact it started in fucking pulp magazines

kill yourself