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>>542772

no

im not impressed

>>542772

I never liked the race change, but Clarke Duncan acted very well.

Too bad the rest of the movie was a pile of shit.

>>542772

Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent?

>>542772

lol no

>>542810

>>542809

This was the only true exception.

>>542772

The only reason there was even a race change was because they couldn't find any "large white male" actor who looked like Kingpin to fill the role (or anyone interested).

They even looked outside of Hollywood and found a boxer who had the same body type, but he had no acting experience, and he wasn't used or wasn't interested.

So they expanded out to black actors and got MCD.

The slight irony in all this, the guy who created Kingpin in the comics wanted him to black in the first place but thought it would be racist/offensive to have a black guy leading a criminal underworld empire, so he was made white instead.

>>542874

>based him on fucking Sydney Greenstreet

He wasn't actually. That's a common misconception. Romita Sr tried to 'avoid making him look like Sydney Greenstreet

From Comics Creators on Spider-Man, edited by Tom DeFalco

>Romita: When Stan asked me to design the Kingpin of Crime, the last thing I wanted to do was make him look like all the criminals we've seen in a thousand movies. I didn't want to do the standard guy with a moustache and scar so I made him look like the furthest thing from that. I made him four hundred pounds so that he'd blot out the sun. Instead of being fat and flabby like Sydney Greenstreet, I made him look powerful. I made him look like a tycoon, with a morning coat, a stickpin and a cravat. Facially, I patterned him after two actors: Edward Arnold, an overweight guy with a big wide face and a hooked nose who was a huge star in the thirties and forties, and another guy named Robert Middleton, who was bald. I took those two guys and put them together. I usually had actors in mind when I designed a new character.

And, for everybody else's general interest:

>Romita: Captain Stacy was based on Charles Bickford, one of my favourite actors of all time. He was a powerful-looking actor with white hair and a wonderful growling voice.

On Mary Jane

>Romita: When we started to plot her first appearance in Amazing #42, Stan wasn't sure if she should be beautiful or hideous. I was recently looking through the volume of Essential Spider-Mna that reprinted some of Ditko's issues and they referred to Mary Jane as beautiful. Stan has a terrible memory and obviously forgot. It's a good thing we didn't make her hideous, because we would have looked really foolish. Anyway, once we agreed on making her beautiful, we had the problem of trying to make her look really spectacular. Stan wanted her to look something like a go-go girl. I used Ann-Margret from the movie Bye Bye, Birdie as a guide, using her colouring, the shape of her face, her red hair and her form-fitting short skirs. I exaggerated her dimples and the cleft in her chin.

>>542863

>The slight irony in all this, the guy who created Kingpin in the comics wanted him to black

Yeah, that's bullshit. There's absolutely no evidence of that

>>542772

Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury.

better than netflix's version which is an autistic manchild. Black Kingpin was a classy deep voiced motherfucker.

>>542935

I can see old Nick Fury being into chocolate

>>542786

I'd say that's pretty much the big difference.

He was a huge, intimidating, bald guy with a commanding presence. That works for Kingpin.

Idris Elba playing Heimdall in Thor was kind of an odd choice, but Elba could do the eloquent and cryptic dialogue and filled that big goofy suit of armor better than any other actor I can think of…

And then you got Michael B Jordan as Johnny Storm.. and as it turns out, he's just kind of a shitty actor who can only do "cool black guy with an attitude" for every character in every movie he's cast in. Not only was the race change completely unnecessary, but it also meant that the job went to a faggot who can't act and whose giant ego wouldn't allow him to accept criticism.

>>542953

Like anything else, it's all about the right actor for the role, and casting someone because they can play it, not for arbitrary reasons.

Remember when we were supposed to care about Sam Worthington?

Should have whitefaced him

>>543075

>>>/pol/

oh i get it his name is kingpin because he's a kingpin of a gang lol capeshit is so clever

>>543095

Bobby is probably the best we're gonna get, his performance in Daredevil was breddy gud.

>>543095

good luck finding a lifter with the correct proportions that can ACT well

>>542935

Interesting case since the Ultimates Nick was based on Samuel L Jackson (and they lampshade it in the comic) and it stuck so well they asked for him to be in the movies as well.

>>543052

I agree, although he kinda seems too nice and gentle to be someone as thoroughly vicious.

>>543075

> Literally a gray-skinned alien with heavyset features

> Somehow this is white

>>543265

> too nice and gentle

makeup and costume could fix that

How was the casting done for Duncan!Kingpin and Williams!Dent? Did they just do auditions without specifying race?

When they do that and walk away with a good actor, I'm perfectly fine with it.

>>542874

>The other co-creator was Stan Lee, and he'd say his fucking car keys were meant to be black if he could get a free sandwich out of it.

Not even Stan's that creatively bankrupt. Remember, SJWs got butthurt because Stan, in a rare occasion of him actually criticising Marvel, said that race switching was stupid.

If Stan or John Romita Sr ever intended for the Kingpin to be black, they'd have made him black. Remember they had The Prowler, who was black and stole shit.

>>543095

>>543257

Comic book movies have that problem in general. Characters' appearances are a big deal, but they can be very hard to recreate in live-action effectively or not looking ridiculous.

Anime has this problem even worse.

>>544211

Anime has a problem in that they draw everyone super-Europeoid, and then they cast Japanese actors in movie adaptations. Contrast is always jarring.

>>542953

That's a good way to put it.

>>543281

I'M GONNA KILL YOU

Yes and no.

Duncan did very well in the role and I enjoyed him. But the thing with the Kingpin that I feel personally is that he's a character who could be played by a person of any race - he just needs to be big, bald, and imposing (and a decent actor, of course). I mean fuck, he could be an eskimo or a chinaman if you could find the right guy and it'd still work.

>>542953

Fuck off. Making the whitest of the gods black is an indefensible shitty casting choice and Elba is a terrible meme actor and belongs in the same unemployment line as Benedict Cumberwhateverthefuck.

>>544290

To us westerners, anime characters look white, but to Japanese people, they look Japanese.

>>549082

>Anime characters look Japanese to Japanese viewers

>Everyone in anime has pale peach skin

>Everyone in anime has richly colored, fluffy hair

>Everyone in anime has huge, round eyes with light, clear irises

>Everyone in anime is tall

And people say Burgerlander nerds have problems with cognitive dissonance and getting too lost in escapism.

>>542772

>race change

>good

>>549097

I never thought of it that way before. That does sound sensible, even if it's not perfectly true.

>>549089

You've inadvertently highlighted the difference between the way asians and non-asians see other people.

Asians don't typically focus on hair and eye colour to distinguish each other, they focus on other features, which is probably why a Japanese person could tell the difference between a Japanese person and a Chinese one.

Non-asians tend to focus on stuff like hair and eye colour which is why a common complaint to Westerners is that all asians look alike.

>>549097

wow they all look exactly the same only have different skin shades.

Thanks makeup and plastic surgery.

>>549076

she's a shitty actress

>>549297

It's just her writing because CW, the actress is herself is perfectly adequate.