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>>543621

The theme for Korra I guess was if the 'modern' avatar world had a place for an Avatar.

>Equalists

They felt oppressed by the benders and thus someone who could do all bendings was ultimate oppressor to them.

What made their argument fall apart was not only that Amon was just using them, but ultimately they're complaints were dropped and ignored as the remainder of the series had the non-bending rep of the team was pushed to the side in favor of showing off the bending and other 'non-benders' developed airbending skills later.

>Unalaq

Wanted to be an anti-avatar. No real reason, maybe he was jealous of his niece or some shit.

>Zaheer

Great performance, great 'character'. His endgame of I'm gonna kill the Avatar for muh freedom became secondary and made him a little lackluster.

>Kuvira

Again just bad to be bad. Yeah she was 'hitler' but hey didn't even go all out with that metaphor. She was just there to be the last bad guy and her relation to the theme was just her ignoring the Avatar for the sake of her ambitions.

Basically yeah, this series was just wasted potential and the whole they're 'lesbians' ending came off as Bryke's hail-Mary to shut out any legit criticisms about the shit show, also water is wet.

>>543653

>The theme for Korra I guess was if the 'modern' avatar world had a place for an Avatar.

The answer is a very simple: YES.

I remember some cunts on some forum where thinking that An Avatar had no place in the modern world because "Teh modern world is too complex for the avatar"

Like a person possessing first hand knowledge of the elders capable of recording the real history of the world is "Teh waste because progressive"

I liked season 1 of Korra more than all three seasons of avatar, combined.

nigger

sdf sa a

>>543661

Pretty much, yeah. Though Korra lost all that past life knowledge after season 2, a loss that'd have more impact if Korra actually relied on her past lives as actively as Aang had.

>>543682

That was some of the worst stuff possible. Such arrogance from the show. Its as if Korra actively destroyed anything established in Airbender.

LoK was shit.

>>543686

That was the point. The show was gearing up for tumblrmode and by season 4 85% of the bending cast are tough womyn who do 90% of the fighting and the show ends with a lesbian relationship.

The only good season was none of them because they were all building to garbage.

>>543694

Alleluah. I would easily say that each season had utter shit to them.

Also didn't anybody else notice the climbing DBZ power levels? Like I think a real reason they had to give the only non bender lighting gauntlets was because how high the avarage power level was.

>>543691

It felt like people liked it mostly because of Avatar, the voice cast, the animation, and "muh female action show"

>>543696

Korra did a shoddy job at handling non-Benders. Just look at Asami (serves the job of following Mako and/or Korra around while also getting them some tech) and President Raiko (the Affirmative Action President who gets portrayed as a sketchy bureaucrat trying to screw Korra over until he hops aboard the Korra train).

>>543696

Yeah, it was a punch in the face when Sokka's character arc's entire point was that he could fight without having bending and still be useful. Ty Lee and Suki were supposed to be big parts of that.

>>543730

Bumi was a fucking let down. Non bender kid of the avatar becoming a grand commander of the Republic army? Guy must be a beast. NOPE, second rate aribender with comic effect!

>>543733

Same with Kuvira's pussy of a fiance. Speaking of, S4 had so much potential. Kuvira was easily my favorite villain. She was very reminiscent of Azula without being a carbon copy. She could have been a callback to ATLA by focusing more on her relationship with Suyin. Too bad Bryke sucks at writing.

>>543735

Kuvira turned into a fucking power rangers villian, complete with dumb giant mech.

>>543736

Exactly why I fucking hate what S4 became. She became a cartoon villain and her argument that she was doing this to prove herself to her motherly figure that always treated her as 2nd-rate pisses me off. We never actually got closure, either. She was raised by Suyin, but for some reason she was thrown under the bus by her and told to stay away from her family, while Kuvira's fiance was fucking forgiven just because he was her biological son.

I also hate how she kind of just became equated with Hitler. Early Kuvira was closer to Mao, with a hint of Mussolini. iirc she didn't really exterminate non-Earth Benders. She was just a fascist nationalist.

Yay…an LoK thread. Quick, post ideas that are way better than what the two chucklefucks came up with.

>>543744

I'll start out…the Amon we see offing himself is a fake and the real deal pops out later..even going so far as to infiltrating Team Avatar and possibly be a love interest..or something.

>>543740

she just had a nazi looking army. She should have been a bender purist as opposed to Amon hating all benders. Put more emphasis on how she views metal benders a superior race than just normal earth benders.

This had four seasons?!

Asami should have been Ironwoman. Upgrade to more than just a single glove. Make her tony stark with a vagina, instead of just a shitty love interest.

>>543746

Real Amon as the earth kingdom prince. The whole idiotic spoiled rich boy thing was an act.

>>543752

I was thinking more along the lines of Real Amon masquerading as a foppish rich boy..or at least Speedwagon…but that works too.

The ending of Amon's arch was retarded, and its why I gave up on LoK

They had a chance to have a villain who not only has a point, but also had the moral high ground. Instead they turned him into a saturday morning cartoon villain and eliminated any depth the conflict had. Not to mention korra just got her powers back because fuck consequences

Aang had to go through half of the fucking series without the avatar state, and got it back as a power-up during the final battle.

I guess the fact that there was no real over-arching goal was another reason I didn't like it. It was just so fucking shallow.

>>543621

Because LoK is shit.

The show tried to do too many things all at once that they had to oversimplify everything in order to make it easier to deal with all the things they wanted to look like was going on. They had to underplay a lot of the things that could have been better developed in the long run instead of just quick less-than-one-season topics.

Similar to what >>543779 is saying, nothing had the time to develop because they wanted to go through an entire checklist of things they wanted to go through before Nickelodeon pulled the plug. Hell, Azula was introduced as a potentially powerful and dangerous force in season 1 and then got all of season 2 to prove it and season 3 to develop that image even more until it broke her in the end. LoK villains are all monster of the week/season.

Later on, when LoK was really going down the drain, they had to really oversimplify things and try to align as much as possible with who they thought were left watching, who were usually immature fandom retards who would never really get the point of having an "Avatar" as described by >>543661.

>>543838

Or Season 2 in general? Or the plot tumor that is the romance?

>>543841

>Or the plot tumor that is the romance?

Funnily enough, a key part in what made the Korra/Bolin/Mako/Asami thing such a train wreck was a change in plans for what to do with Asami. She was supposed to be a card carrying Equalist stringing Mako along. Byrke ended up digging her design so she didn't go full foe. Unfortunately this had the side-effect of shifting the situation from Mako ditching a girl who was using him to Mako being a cheat with Korra helping him along on that.

>>544012

…So, Asami was a mistake to begin with. I knew there's a reason why I hate her.

>>544038

Let's be honest, it's not like Mako and Bolin turned out really better.

>>543740

>Kingdoms and old traditions are stupid and dumb!

>We don't need kings and queens because that's regressive!

>SO NOW I'M AN EMPRESS AND WE'RE AN EMPIRE AND WE'RE TAKING SHIT BY FORCE BECAUSE WE'RE SO PROGRESSIVE

Fuck this series.

>>543748

>Amon was telling the truth

>He was actually contacted by the spirit world that was pissed by the shoddy shit pulled by the last few Avatars

>Energy-bending was a gift given to him by Vaatu who was slowly becoming more powerful.

(The shit they did with bloodbending makes no fucking sense)

>He could easily be a new character, or he could be the sun of the cabbage merchant, who was raised to believe that benders were evil, and had this reinforced by his contact with the spirit world.

>Cue Avatar chat between Aang and Korra where she asks what the hell he did to this guy

>Cut to a montage of Aang wrecking cabbage guy's shit repeatedly over the years that also serves to show glimpses of what adventures Aang got into later in life.

>When Amon is defeated, he offers Korra a cryptic warning about things to come

>This actually sets up Unalaq and the spirit world shit for the next season.

>Either go no romance and just have Asami be part of the group as a friend, or put Korra together with Bolin, because that Zutara 2.0 shit was a trainwreck from the start. It permanently ruined a central character and forced him to be the bumbling side-kick.

>Have the romance budding by the end of the first season, and develop into the second season.

>Oh, and while we're at it, actually utilize the roaring 20s-style backdrop to add some flavor to the setting.

>Jazz and swing music

>Dance clubs

>Have Tenzin involved with some overly moralistic campaign to ban gambling dens and liquor as one of the City Council members.

How come Legend of Korra is worse than the original?

>>544157

Simple: They didn't hire on all the consultants, writers, and talent that helped them make the first series to good.

Bryke literally thought they could do no wrong and launched into the production of Korra on their own… But they had been so involved with the fans in the time between series that they had lost sight of what made The Last Airbender great and ended up writing really shitty fanfiction.

Ugh

I have the urge to do a Plinkett-style review on Korra. Just ripping it a whole new asshole.

But that's gonna take ages to do.

>>543621

It was likely two-dimensional to clearly convey the flaws of political ideologies. One antagonist represented communism (Amon), the rest represented National Socialism, Anarchism, and Capitalism.

I forgot which particular ones each antagonist represented, but the two directors reblogged the theory on their pages a while ago.

>>544187

To quote Shia LeBouf….DO IT! JUST DO IT!

>>544224

>>544187

korra is a dumb good vs evil story while ATLA was about restoring the natural balance to things and stopping an egomaniac with too much power.

>>543740

>exterminate non-Earth benders

>implying the holocaust happened

But yeah, that was shit.

>>543838

To that, I'd like to add:

>Did we really need teen drama? Really?

And they were all for stupidly bland reasons in LoK.

>>544360

You probably put more thought into the series making that post than they did in making LoK.

Why do they need to make another bad guy into yet another "Literally Hitler"? Are kids really that stupid that they need someone to so obviously look like a bad guy again?

>>544172

Only good thing about Korra were the Avatar Wan episodes.

>>544385

And even those were a simpler, abridged stories when you get down to it.

Everyone keeps trying to tell us that Korra was fucked up because they didn't have as many episodes to tell their story, but when they only had two episodes to tell Wan's story, it came out great because it was tight and focused.

I've been under the impression that part of the problem was that the studio was strung along by Nick. When the series was first announced, it was going to be a miniseries about learning airbending, as that was the only thing we never saw in TLA. Then they got another season, and then another, and another. Each one was tacked on, so the writers had to come up with shit for each season as the show rolled out. That, plus a half-assed attempt to pander to a specific audience, as noted in >>544080 , and shit going to the writer's heads, is what caused ATLK to be so shit.

>>544385

except the retconned the original benders being the animals/moon and just made it all lion turtle bullshit

>>544436

Man..it's just best if they don't reveal the Avatar origin thing.

>>544436

Don't forget the Raava VS Vaatu junk.

>>544439

literally just some asshole who fucked up and then declared himself the guardian of the world.

>implying either one are good shows and not literally shit

>insert current year

>>544481

>Implying the original was literal shit especially with Korra as comparison.

>Current year

>>544483

>thinking naruto and dragon ball clones are good

>>544487

>Implying there's any similarities.

>Not stating current year

>>544487

>Current year +1

>thinking TLA is either of those things

>>544487

>Current year +1

>thinking TLA is either of those things

>>544477 (witnessed)

>remember how the avatar state was simply the combined power of all the previous avatars all going active at once?

>lol nah it's just a spirit kite now

The airbenders getting powers through harmonic convergence was crap. What about all the loyal air acolytes who lived in the air temple? Fuck them, give powers to random people instead of the spiritual ones who studied air nation culture.

>>544723

On top of that, it's a slap in the fucking face to Aang. I mean, all he had to do was wait till Harmonic Convergence and open up the spirit portals and his race would be back.

Also, the Humans and Spirits getting along crap was cringe worthy. When has there ever been a time in human history where two radically different groups of people were living together without there ever being conflict?

>>544731

Uh…that one Christmas in WW1?

>>544732

But that was one day and to celebrate the good in humanity.

>>544734

Yeah..that's the only time two radically different group of people actually not being in conflict.

>>544731

>Also, the Humans and Spirits getting along crap was cringe worthy. When has there ever been a time in human history where two radically different groups of people were living together without there ever being conflict?

spirits invaded the city, vines forced people out of their homes. Korra's reaction? Lol just deal with it. Fuck this city, I'm going on a trip around the world!

>>544731

>On top of that, it's a slap in the fucking face to Aang. I mean, all he had to do was wait till Harmonic Convergence and open up the spirit portals and his race would be back.

you would think with over 200 years worth of stored semen he could have squirted out more than just 1 airbender kid.

You're an airbender now, abandon your family and become an air nomad! Eat nothing but vegetables, shave your head, become a monk! And you have to because you have air powers now. What fucked up logic.

Swamp Benders were water benders but they coulden't give less a shit about the water nation.

>>544737

Apparently benders aren't hereditary. Sometimes a kid whose parents are Earthbender might not be a Bender himself.

>>544739

Eh..I would ignore the Air Nomad thing..only so I can have an Airbender who slices people up by snapping his fingers.

>>544741

>benders aren't hereditary

except when harmonic convergence because reasons. Or when they originally learnt it from moles, dragons, bisons, and the moon. Or a magical lion turtle who hands out powers.

>>544742

most we got is asphyxiation with Zaheer.

Would have to see an airbender gone rogue and could remove all oxygen in an area and dominate a firebender for revenge of the air nation extermination all those years ago.

>>544080

10/10 post

>>544404

> it was going to be a miniseries about learning airbending

Then why the fuck waste 3 episodes on probending

>>544360

God, that did happen, didn't it? Near the end. When all the bullshit Lavabending came into play. I didn't remember because it was tossed under the bus so quickly. It was worse than Lake Laogai.

>>544736

>Fuck this city, I'm going on a trip around the world!

With Asami. Who apparently has nothing better to do than follow around Korra.

Doesn't she have a company to look after since her both her dad and Varrick got busted?

>>544750

>It was worse than Lake Laogai

Funny since Ba Sing Se is still corrupt as shit. Aang and Korra did jack shit to help there

>>544760

apparently its doing better. She did get a personal airship just for their journey.

>>544735

But it wasn't radically different, they were both Christian nations and even had some cultural similarities.

It wasn't two different cultures, peoples (well, people and spirits) combining indefinitely and within a span of three years. Not only that but spirits are proven to be completely hostile and even territorial, there's no way they could have lived together peacefully.

>>544221

>"It was likely two-dimensional to . . ."

not confuse the retarded Nickelodeon audience. fix'd your comment, bud.

>>544764

That doesn't fly. Book 3 blows off the plot threads of Asami's company going under and how she was apparently reconnecting with her dad to have her serve as Korra's cheerleader and gadget mule. It's embarrassingly obvious that not only did they try and fail to make the Asami/Mako/Bolin trio Korra's answer to the non-Aang Gaang members, but that Asami in particular was kept around for so long despite being so unimportant thanks to Seychelle Gabriel's role in Falling Skies (which was a hit).

>>544787

But how did The Last Airbender turn out better on that front then?

>>545164

TLA did better simply because it didn't feel the need to convey a political message, aside from the standard "War is bad" thing.

>>545112

>Falling Skies (which was a hit).

that crapfest is still on?

>>545749

He was the only decent villain really. Too bad his woman was made some giantess that made him look ridiculous when they stood next to each other.

>>545760

This link tackles what I was talking about:

http://www.robertjacksonbennett.com/blog/my-problems-with-korra

Key:

>And this is where the gradualness comes into play: Zaheer’s motivations are only gradually revealed, bit by bit, and they are shown, not told. More, Zaheer gets to speak for himself. Rather than having a secondary character come in and say, “Hey, here’s what’s up with that one guy,” the main baddie makes his own case. He is, in other words, in a conversation from which all the other villains are largely excluded.

>And you know what? His case isn’t a bad one. It hearkens back to Amon in season one: it’s a really shitty system to have one person be the Avatar and have so much power and tell everyone else what to do. Whereas Amon focused specifically on bending, Zaheer targets structures of power themselves, and is out to decentralize power everywhere he can – whether it’s killing off massively powered monarchs, or Korra herself.

>This is a real, human, sympathetic cause. It’s not quite like season one, where Amon was basically a mask and a false prophet, always inscrutable and distant. And it’s not like season two, where all of the sudden Korra’s uncle was trying to be the Antichrist for who the hell knows why. Rather, Zaheer finds the flaws inherent in most fantasy stories – “Who the hell picked you to be the chosen one?” – and responds appropriately.

>>545889

I wanted him to succeed. I wanted her to suffocate till her life was spent. Pity plot had to intervene.

>>545760

>P'li

>Kuvira

>Korra

>even Zhu Li

Bryke just couldn't have strong female characters unless they were physically domineering. So much so that they forgot to add personality and motivations.

I guess Katara was their most orthodox strong female character because she was written by committee.

>>546152

There's not just Korra's screwups. There's Kiyoshi forming the Dai Li. Avatar Roku not killing Sozin when he had the chance. You can take all, mix it up with Korra's screwups in the past two seasons and make the case that no humans should be able to accesss such power while ultimately answering to themselves.

Change Zaheer's schtick from muh chaos to opposing all forms of unearned rule and you can have Zaheer figure that the Avatar should go.

>>546460

>There's Kiyoshi forming the Dai Li. Avatar Roku not killing Sozin when he had the chance.

The difference is that those two openly admit that those were their faults while Korra just blames everything on the villains.

>>545658

Are we talking about the live-action movie?

>>546495

nigga why you even bring that up?

Shit writers trying to go for more depth than they could hope to competently handle.

>>546493

Well yeah. But the point is you can put all them on a list with Korra's screwups and say that it's faulty to let one single person have so much power and ultimately answer to no one but themselves. A poster already brought up how the theme for Korra was whether or not the world still had a place for the Avatar. You can take all the examples I listed and have Zaheer or whoever build a case from them.

>>546460

Right and which person prevented the Firelord from burning down the Earth Kingdom?

Reminder the Avatars TRUE power is their access to a vault of a thousand generations of wisdom and knowledge. Not some zap zap attacks!

I call it the Amrstrong Principle. The antagonist is charismatic enough that he overwhelms your rational sense.

Also because Korra is such an unrelenting cunt Zahir seems rational in comparison.

Korras theme of "Is there a place for the avatar" reeks of millenial arrogance. "Is there a place to listen to Grandpa in our modern world? I mean we are perfect and smart after all whilst the past was filled with sexism and racism"

>>543838

I remember reading that the creators admitted at some point they wanted LoK to have a mini series approach like Game of Thrones.

The big problem is GoT might have a similar episode count per season but GoT has hour long episodes while LoK is only half hour episodes, which means you get less plot/content per episode.

(Times would be lower due to ad breaks, but I'm just simplifying it here),

>>546898

Hey, I'm not pushing an end to the Avatar. I'm just trying to frame a scenario.

>>547292

I know. Also I find myself agreeing with Zahir because the NEXT avatar is gonna have Korra as his/her only guide. Can you imagine?

"Alright, well have you tried punching the guy who disagreed with you yet? How about opening a portal to the land of the dead and escaping too it?"

Can you imagine LOK in the far future with generations of Avatars being influences by Korra? What a nightmare.

>>547300

>the NEXT avatar is gonna have Korra as his/her only guide. Can you imagine?

>Korra somehow managed to fuck up so badly that she lost her connection to her past lives

>This is treated as a "new beginning" like it's a good thing

Korra was a mistake

>>547306

>The next Avatar is going to constantly argue with Korra

>The next Avatar will constantly take the piss out of Korra as in "Yeah, this coming from the one that really never solved anything"

>Then again, the new series takes the piss out of Korra as well

Sounds like an OK series.

>>547306

That's how past lives work?

>>547479

I'm assuming that it's like TLA where the most recent avatar beforehand mentors the current one, and contacting the ones before takes more effort. So if Post-Korra-Avatar #2 needs help, he'll contact PKA1 who will tell him not to listen to Korra because she's a big fuckup.

Varrick and Zhu-Li were the best characters to come from this show.

>>546898

The way they wrote Korra absolutely stinks of SJW kool-aid.

There's this whole idea of privilege and undeserved power and wielding unearned authority, and Korra is constantly at odds with herself because she's been forced to think that the world doesn't need her and that she shouldn't oppress people.

It's pretty much WHITE GUILT: The Animated Series.

Korra is white people and everyone else is [CURRENT YEAR] and Korra is fucking up because she doesn't realize that the world is so much more progressive without the Avatar or other benders, and then, at the end, she realizes that the only way to fix her problems is to go away and learn to be a lesbian so she can stop being so problematic with all of her heteronormative boy chasing.

>>547977

Even Varrick was mishandled since later episodes pretended his war mongering never happened and had him buddy up with the Krew.

As slick as Varrick is, he has the problem other adult cast members have in that he gets too much focus. LoK had too many episdoes splitting focus to characters like Tenzin or Lin in her family drama with Toph and Suyin. Then put in all the ancillary characters who bloated out the cast like Opal or Kai without really becoming relevant. Their introductions and scenes took space that could have been used for the core cast.

A strength TLA had over LoK was keeping focus on its core (Aang, Sokka, Katara, Zuko) with recurring and ancillary characters supporting that cast without getting in the way. TLA especially did way better at handling its adult characters compared with the kid characters. Look at Iroh, he's fantastic character but he's is a supporting character and knows it.

>>548118

Whoops. Left out Toph in the core.

>>548118

Iroh is really best supporting character. Love the absent-minded friendly uncle face he always put on.

>>548195

He hits just the right balance of being incredibly interesting without becoming a main focus

Notice how in the entire show Iroh is never on screen without one of the core characters (minus tales of Ba Sing Se and that one where's he's getting jacked). Even when he's separated from Zuko, he's only shown with Toph.

Now look at Tenzin, the closest thing Korra has to Iroh. In the first few episodes they already have him on screen without major characters for extended periods. This would be okay if they were making him the secondary protagonist (like Zuko in TLA or Han/Leia in Empire) but he's the mentor figure. This keeps getting worse and worse as the show goes on, with more and more characters not supporting the protagonist but having entirely separate arcs of their own.

Have Bryke actually done anything since Korra ended other than the gay comics?