/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

>>544761

I feel it is kind of both. A figure like Batman was needed to fix shit up, but at the same time, a lot of shit that happens in the story is caused by Bats being there. The most obvious being the Joker leaving his weird vegetative-like state because Bruce went back to being Batman.

>>544761

It's capeshit.

End of story.

>>544761

> I really can't tell at times

I'm pretty sure that was the point.

>>544810

>>>/eurocomics/

Oh wait that's not a board

I wonder why that could be

Dark Knight is pro shit and only gay niggers like capeshit.

>>545067

Go away /tv/, you're not wanted here

>>544761

Not much about vigilantism as it is about liberalism/libertarianism vs the influence of the state.

>>545089

Not even that, but the dark knight returns is probably the second most well-respected comic of all time.

They're obviously /tv/ crossposters that haven't read it.

It treats Batman in an incredibly heroic light even if it does acknowledge the irrelevance of what he's doing and the problems with what motivates him (basically being a midlife crisis). I'd say it's more about an authoritarian local government (represented by Batman and later the Sons of Batman) vs. an authoritarian federal government (represented by the Preisdent's henchman, Superman). Basically a question of where force is being imposed from, the people living in an environment that calls for force or a detached administrator trying to impose his will upon them.

>>544831

That page and panel to this day still makes me wonder, did bats kill that mutant holding the kidnapped toddler with the m60.

That blood spatter on the wall seems to indicate at least one shot might have hit that mutant.

>>545070

Honestly, pretty clear as messages go; no one can really judge without knowing the full context, but at the same time, everyone involved makes damn well sure we CAN'T know the full context.

The world's too big and complicated to hope that our own little judgements have anything to do with the reality, and history is just whoever manages to write the most popular books.

>>545097

Miller has at some point pretty much admitted that Batman is insane, a Don Quixote who happens to be competent- and in doing so, maybe he has a point, or at least says and does some very good things, even though he does bad things as well. Which, well, is kinda the whole point.

>>545577

You're not supposed to know.

>>545070

The host of point vs point was Hugo Strange

If it is true that really redeems the media sections, which seemed to disconnected from the main story.