No.546953
Has it really sunk in yet for you guys that comics are fucking DYING?
I know it seems good in the same way that a rabid animal that's only hurting others and itself is put down, but god damn. Can you imagine what'll happen when one of the big 2 goes down for good? DC will likely survive since people are saying they're planning on going into reprints exclusively and can hibernate through the crash, but that might even have the same effect. Once one of the two giants falls, comics as an industry is just going to bite the fucking bullet. And do you know what that means?
There will never be any new comics, at least not for another decade.
It makes me sad to think that there are creative and talented people out there that will never get to shine, and FUCKING ANGRY that these corporate pieces of shit in charge of the big two are essentially murdering our favorite characters and keeping those stories written for the sake of their goddamn bottom line. Because of these motherfuckers, what we have now is ALL WE'RE EVER GOING TO HAVE. Because of the retarded-ass decisions they've made because they were greedy and worthless human beings over the last 5 years, at some point there will be a limited number of comics to read. They have turned stories into a finite resource, and that is just unbelievably sad to me.
No.546955
>>546953
^keeping those stories from being written
No.546976
>>546953
I'd rather have them dead than have them keep rebooting continuity every 10 years or so, rehashing the same stories we've already read and changing the characters into something that they've never been just to push some liberal bullshit agenda.
Their best years are behind them anyway. I say bring on the reprints.
No.546985
The newest story I enjoyed from one of the big 2 was made 6 years ago, and it was a second string mini-series set in its own canon. Let it burn and possibly have something worth a read rise from the ashes.
No.546989
>>546976
But it would be SO EASY to make good comics.
At least they'd be fucking average, the worst part is that they know what they're doing wrong.
No.546993
I don't even care. There's probably enough interesting unread material out there to keep me going for the rest of my life, and I'm sure there will always at least be the occasional indie comic that's worth reading. Marvel and DC can leave whenever they feel like it.
No.546995
just like games and chinese cartoons right?
Well chinese cartoons might actually die, but they havent yet
No.546996
>>546995
when chinese cartoons die
japans population will go up from the lack of neets
No.546997
>>546953
>Has it really sunk in yet for you guys that comics are fucking DYING?
American superhero comics? Yeah. However, other genres seem to have developed quite well over last decade or so. Horror especially is making a comeback.
Honestly, I don't think big two will ever go away. Instead, they will just fade into obscurity like Archie comics did and live off of reprints and Disney's/WB's cash. They will still publish new stuff, but in much lower quantities than they do now. Out of the two, DC might be ahead if they are smart with using Vertigo to their advantage.
After initial panic once comic book store model becomes unsustainable, publishers will likely move on to digital, mail-in subscription. Other comics will appear in form similar to books - one long volume of generally self contained story, released at most every year. There will be less stuff released overall, but they will offer greater variety of genres and average quality will be higher.
Eventually, comic book market will transform into something more similar to European ones. We will probably see more translations of foreign books as well. After initial drought, it will be much better than it is now. Can't wait for all of it to go down, but what do I know?
>>546989
It doesn't seem like there is anyone at big two left who knows how to write good comics. Most of the talent that used to work for them prefers to do their own stuff and use smaller publishers that let them keep ownership of the IP.
No.547002
>>546997
>After initial panic once comic book store model becomes unsustainable, publishers will likely move on to digital, mail-in subscription. Other comics will appear in form similar to books - one long volume of generally self contained story, released at most every year. There will be less stuff released overall, but they will offer greater variety of genres and average quality will be higher.
Why are you trying to fill us with hope with your dirty lies. Can't you see comics can survive as long as it remains socially conscious and responsible?
No.547007
>>546996
it will go underground, and it will keep getting more and more degenerate until slaneesh and nurgle would cringe from it.
No.547011
Dont LCS mostly make their money from TCG/TTG anyway?
No.547013
>>547007
so? As long as honorary Aryans fix their population I don't mind
No.547016
>>546999
Trips demand a death… and perhaps a rebirth once the cancer has been cut out.
No.547017
>>547013
You do know 'honorary aryan' was a ridicule, as in 'you're still a subhuman but we'll just pretend you're part of us since we have a shortage of allies', right?
No.547018
>>547013
>japs
>getting a chance to restore their population between Fukushima and glorious Middle Kingdom
nah
No.547043
>>546953
That foaming zombie ain't your dog no more, lad. It's time to let it go.
No.547121
In the US, at least, people will wake up one day to a world in which DC and Marvel no longer exist (or are about to die), go "those things are pillars of our culture!" and DEMAND better.
Whereas in the UK the Beano, Commando, the Phoenix and Viz aren't going to see 2025 and nobody will even notice.
So count your blessings.
No.547141
>>546985
The newest stories I enjoyed from the Big Two were fucking one offs.
SP//dr was anime mecha Spider-man. Batman '66 #30 made me wish the Allred Bros. were in charge of that title. Convergence Shazam! takes the cake though, because it had no business being that good in an event that shitty.
No.547144
>>546997
>Out of the two, DC might be ahead if they are smart with using Vertigo to their advantage.
DC burned that bridge years ago by offering shit contracts made to benefit them and Warner. This is why Image got a huge influx of talent.
No.547145
>>546953
I think it's less that it's sunk in for us and more that it's sunk in for you.
While you might bemoan no new cape soap-operas (Which is retarded. Even Archie comes out with new works that we all mock and ridicule.), there's 78 years of comics out there, a lot of which you don't know shit about.
Do not mourn for DC and Marvel. Instead, join the Jimhad.
No.547159
>>547002
>that pic
kek god really women are idiots
No.547161
>>547141
The best superhero stuff is completely divorced from the goddamn anchor that is the ongoing collective continuity. I don't think that's ever not been true. There's a reason the cartoons and movies do so well.
>>547144
Both of the big comics houses can't really get good writers anymore, can they? Nobody wants to work will the acres of bullshit unless they're either crazy about it or want to shit up with politics.
No.547168
>>547161
>Both of the big comics houses can't really get good writers anymore, can they?
Comics aren't a career anymore. Many people working in the industry have said that you'd better get a real job and do comics as a passion project because the money isn't there anymore. Those who do continue making comics usually choose to do their own thing, that they own and have creative control over, than to work under the draconian rule of either DC or Marvel.
Right now, the only people working for the big two are either enormously stupid fanboys, or sjws under the mistaken impression that comics have relevancy. Everyone else has realized that it's all fallen to shit and are trying to survive in the wasteland, while DC and Marvel remain oblivious to how bad things really are.
No.547192
>>546953
Comics were always a niche market, even if you did manage to make a decent living off of them the bubble was gonna burst and you were going to be left back to square one.
It is a shame really, comics are a very underrated story telling medium that I feel could have been a great alternative to movies and TV.
Sadly the bubble has burst and well you know the rest.
No.547204
>>546953
It's been clear for a long time that there is no saving it. Cape comics are dying and they deserve to die. I just hope that nobody hires the talentless hacks that killed it so they don't get a chance to ruin something else.
No.547218
I'm sure industry has seen better days, but the doomsaying gets ridiculous when people start suggesting that people will just start reading other comic books or that bookstore chains are actually a step-up from the specialty shop.
No.547219
>>547141
>tfw SP//dr will never get another mention in the marvel universe
>Spider-Gwen was put ahead over her
While I hate this I do think this was for the best now. Could you picture how they would have fucked it up by now? There were alot of interesting Spiders in the Spidey-Verse but it really was best they were only a one off thing. The only hope for it would be if someone competent digs out the character later on.
>>546953
I don't think comics are dying (as much) but it's just cape comics that will be seeing their end soon. And frankly I'm completely fine with that, they've hit a stagnation for years by now with writers who obviously don't have any passion for what they're doing.
The best action here is either maybe try to read other cape stories outside of DC and Marvel (Valiant is pretty good) or just experience other genres of comics. I've read plenty of good comics made in the recent years that weren't cape stuff.
No.547231
>>546953
>The Big Two are the only ones making comics
Go suck some more cock somewhere else, OP.
No.547246
American comic industry that gave us FAT ACCEPTANCE squirrel girl not worth saving
No.547251
>Stan Lee is going to live long enough to see everything he worked for turn to dust before his eyes.
No.547255
>>547251
>everything he worked for
No.547265
Won't this just spur more new or independant comic book companies to rise up to fill in the void? I don't see them both dying. It's like the two party system, no matter how terrible each side may become, you have to choose one. Picking an independant is never an option, in the eyes of those who participate in the two party system, because its viewed as unimportant or less numbers for the opposition.
Everything is going digital and printing media is dead and less cost effective. Might as well embrace the changing of the times because it ain't going to wait forever.
No.547268
>>547251
Stan Lee is just as tired of this shit as everyone else.
He hates that they made Spider-man a nigger.
No.547274
>>547268
Stan Lee doesn't give a shit as long as he's being paid and his makeshift generator is still powering his robotic heart.
For those who don't know the generator is being powered by the motion caused from Jack Kirby spinning in his grave
No.547288
>>546953
comics have been dead for years, anon
No.547296
>>547219
Gwen usurping Peni Parker is the best evidence that Soc-Jus in comics are fucking hypocrites. A female minority ignored because she isn't pretty and blonde.
No.547298
>>547296
Be thankful for this anon. Now she's won't be stained by them.
No.547309
>>547296
>Evangelion characters on the left
Jesus fucking christ….
No.547318
>>547312
Well yeah, it's basically NGE but the eva is a spider-man exosuit. It was a nice homage, but I'm not sure if it'd have worked as a long-standing story.
No.547324
>>547204
>Cape comics are dying and they deserve to die.
Cape comics have been delaying the inevitable for 61 years now. Capes should've died back in the fifties, when tastes were clearly changing and alternative titles like horror, war, crime, science fiction, and humor were taking off. However, DC and Archie used the comic book scare to impose the draconian Comics Code to drive their competition out of business and ensured that capes would be the dominate genre for decades to come.
The problem is the same problem of the 1950's. Nobody wants to read capes, and no matter how many capes they publish, the general public doesn't want to buy it.
No.547333
>>546953
as long as they reprint earlier stuff then I'm fine.
No.547335
>>547318
Yeah but doing that just means "HEY GUYS DO YOU LIKE NGE, WELL THIS COMIC IS JUST LIKE NGE! WE LIKE NGE!" Just because it is like NGE doesn't mean shoehorn NGE references or characters.
No.547351
>>547324
The story about the comics code getting shut down still makes me laugh.
No.547354
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>>547296
A weeb comic written by a former emo band front man.
What a goddamn time to be alive.
No.547359
>>547354
First Umbrella Academy, then this shit…
No.547364
>>547363
I think they just stopped caring when they did this comic. Didn't they?
No.547365
>>547335
It also had Ghost In The Shell and Akira references too.
>>547364
>background references
>bad
I never understand this line of thinking.
No.547366
>>547335
It was just a reference made for comedy, i think.
No.547380
>>547161
I think a major issue with the continuity is that it's so confined, especially compared to the original canon. The writers and editors think way too small for the characters they're working on. There should be no restrictions.
Consider the Cadmus arc in Justice League Unlimited. They started off with a relatively grounded government conspiracy against the Justice League and ended with a giant battle to save the universe against LUTHIAC.
Something that crazy can't even happen in the comics anymore and that's terrible.
No.547381
>>547380
You mean outside of blowing up the universe on a regular basis?
No.547391
>>546953
When the cancer dies, then we can revive the patient.
No.547396
>>547335
Because you know…NGE is the only mecha series. Seriously, can't these fuckheaps reference a real Super Robot series? Like Mazinger Z or GaoGaiGar…or fucking Getter Robo?
No.547417
>>547380
You're right, although i'm not sure it's fair to blame something for not being as good as justice league unlimited.
No.547440
>>547417
It is fair. DC had Dwayne McDuffie write comics after JLU, and Didio proceeded to fucked him in the ass instead. They had the talent to produce good stories and they squandered it.
The whole thing needs to burn.
No.547454
>>547365
It's because people have gotten sick of "sweet references bro, I understood that reference!!1!1!" shit that pervades a lot of things that come out nowadays.
Also, they seem to have gotten background references that aren't in your face mixed up with the kind that don't mesh with the material and are pretty much screaming "LOOK AT MEH I'M FROM DAT THING U LIEK XD"
No.547460
>>547251
With capeshit buried six feet underground, where will he find his spotlight at? Who will let Stan Lee step in front of the masses to put forth his most pressing statement, "Hey I'm the Spider-man guy, how's it goin'"?
No.547474
>>547396
NGE is the most popular mecha series in the west, followed by TTGL and Voltron. Similarily, most Japs won't know about Question, Moon Knight, or Savage Dragon. Although sometimes you get references obscure to even most western comic book readers, like Nikopol Trilogy in TTGL.
>>547380
And if something crazy somehow happens, everything returns to status quo after a year at most. Not to mention cramming events into every possible book.
No.547594
>>547365
Wait…is that DareDevil in it? What did they do to you Matt Murdoch!?
No.547622
>>547121
>Whereas in the UK the Beano, Commando, the Phoenix and Viz aren't going to see 2025 and nobody will even notice.
are Beano sales really that bad?
Saying that I've not seen a Beano in ages, I guess the internet and technology has killed off the childrens comic
>>547338
>>547460
>capeshit meme
>in a thread about comics as a medium in general
see pic
No.547755
>>546953
>Has it really sunk in yet for you guys that comics are fucking DYING?
Yes, I've already predicted it for a while and I think it will happen as soon as Marvel starts pushing for their D-list heroes to start getting movies like Black Panter and the Inhumans.
It has become clear that both Marvel and DC can live of Advertisement and comic sales alone, they need the movies and the merch. As soon as the movies stop selling, the merch starts selling. And everything falls apart.
Without Marvel and DC, specialized physical retailers are done. Diamond will take a huge hit. And I imagine the "indie" side won't last much longer, they really depend on the side sells of the regular comics audience to survive as much as the artists love to hate on comics nerds. Without DC and Marvel's lawyers there will be an explosion of online readers like there are with Manga, hurting the industry further.
Once it's all done, the North-American comics industry will be dead, and manga will inherit the Earth.
No.547835
It started to suck when they colorized everything. Became fast-food shit basically.
No.547845
>>547755
>Once it's all done, the North-American comics industry will be dead, and manga will inherit the Earth.
This has been the conclusion since Tokyopop blew the fucking doors of the industry by targeting women. The Nielsen BookScan lists back it up, seeing as most western comics that are selling big right now are heavily tied to other media.
No.547927
I'm actually shocked Valiant manged to relaunch their titles back in 2012, seeing as they always had shit luck even back in the 90's.
No.547968
>>547594
He's only called "D" in his only appearance. I honestly thought he was supposed to be z-list (and yet first in line for any plot point that calls for an unimportant hero) hero Demolition Man (especially given he was also known as D-Man).
No.548076
>>547622
>are Beano sales really that bad?
Last time figures were made publically available, which I think was 2011, they were on the right side of 50,000 (anything under 200,000 would have been cancellation territory 30 years ago :( ). Which I don't suppose is bad, considering the size of the market (and some US comics sell half that in a nation of over 200 million. But those comics are called Hellcat). But DC Thomson stopped talking about their sales figures after the Jamie Smart-led Dandy reboot of 2010 cost them 50% of the readership inside 6 months.
I think Commando sells 15,000 per issue, but four come out at once, and two are reprints, so it might actually be making a decent amount. In the past year, if I get to the shop too late, some of the issues have sold out. Have orders been cut back, or are sales increasing? It's been mentioned in the national papers a few times recently, maybe people are actually looking out for something so "un-PC", surprised it still exists.
Apparently the Phoenix only sells 5000 copies, but a lot of them are to subscribers - no overheads! Also The Phoenix is a revival of the old, subscription-only DFC, some businessman apparently donated millions to the publishers to start a new comic, so it might stick around for a while.
And I think Viz plateaued in the 90's at around 50-60,000 and has just got stuck there. It's full of ads, though, must be making a bit.
Not sure about 2000AD.
No.548081
>>547968
Yeah, given that he shows nubby horns, and when he's falling from the roof you can clearly see a short stick in his left hand (like daredevil's extensible cane or staff), I don't think so. Also, it's an odd decision, but they put the holster of the cane on the right leg and the cane in the left hand. Why would he wear it on the right if he uses it on the left? (daredevil is left handed I think, he usually wears the holster on the left)
No.548225
>>547845
>Tokyopop blew the fucking doors of the industry by targeting women.
In the end, they blew it though with scummy freelance contracts and flooding bookstores with whatever manga they could translate cheaply.
>>547755
>Diamond will take a huge hit.
I'm not sure about that since they also do bookstore distribution, so they may already have that base covered.
No.548292
>>546953
>There will never be any new comics, at least not for another decade.
Make that cape comics.
The medium of comic books is not going to go away just because the cape market crashes. Comics have been around for ages, and good new ones are going to continue to be made and distributed, whether in print or online.
yeah yeah, I know, >webcomics, but there are some that are actually good.
No.548394
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>>547755
>and manga will inherit the Earth.
I hate to admit it but this is probably true. I've known a lot of people (pretty much all of them in their mid-20s) who buy manga on a regular basis. I only know one whole person who buys Western comics (namely Marvel capeshit).
Funny thing is, the majority of the people I know who buy manga seem to be females. The very same market which the Big Two are currently destroying themselves to try and grab. Maybe they got a whiff of those sweet female manga sales demographics and that's what pre-empted their insane path of self-destruction? Just a thought.
Pic related is also some nice philosophical musing on the decline of capes.
Personally I think it's because most people find capes boring and don't want to spend time getting invested in learning the utterly fucking impenetrable backgrounds and settings required for reading comics and their long arcs, plus all the fucking reboots and rehashes and multiverses and all that asinine bullshit.
No.548397
>>547381
Thing is when it DOES happen it manages to be so overblown and half-baked as to be pointless, and then immediately forgotten.
>>548225
Because bookstores are doing so well.
No.548401
>>548394
Comics have been desperately trying to grab other demographics for years, and consistently been absolutely terrible at it because they have no fucking idea what the demographic actually likes, and insist on shoving everything into the same superhero paradigm.
No.548414
>>548394
>Funny thing is, the majority of the people I know who buy manga seem to be females.
I've been growing worried about the (already bleak) future of manga.
I don't know how to feel when I noticed JoJo, for example, seems to be gaining more female fans thanks to the anime adaptation.
The mountain of gay smutty fanfiction is growing.
No.548421
>>548394
>reboots
These are the primary reason I see why people dislike cape comics. They feel there is really no overall sense of progress in the plots that go on and it gets annoying to some to get invested into a character only for them to get reverted or suffer a massive change in like two issues after years of build up. That I would say is one of the main things keeping them from getting a new demograph is people feeling like following all this bullshit has no end goal to it, there's nothing at the end of most cape stories.
Things would probably be a little more interesting now if Superman stayed dead, if Bruce stayed dead, etc. If these so called 'big events' actually fucking mattered.
Also going into new talent for these companies. It used to be that getting into some big comic company like Marvel or DC would be a way to get your name on the radar and finally get a comic of your own one day. Now its really the opposite, most creators be it writers or artists don't really want to bother doing established characters when they can do their own shit much easier these days. Hell if you were to start right now you could probably get a comic up online in a matter of a few months and start gaining traction that way.
More people are invested in doing their own ideas these days and don't see much point in chasing with the legacy characters. Because you gotta admit the payoff isn't worth it, if you get assigned someone like Superman, Batman, Spiderman, Captain America then almost anything you do is gonna wind up getting someone pissed off in the fanbase.
No.548426
>>548421
Comics should take a hint from the movies. People like Batman and Spider-man, they like stories that feature them and are fun, and they like them having a beginning, middle and end.
They could stick to Elseworld type stuff. Or even do what Archie does and not bother with continuity in the first place
No.548430
comics should be digital with something like a kickstarter type of payment for special edition print collections.
also, a LOT of the fat in the big two needs to be trimmed anyway. let characters end with a good run and leave it. Batman/Superman/etc don't need 7 separate titles each every time the universe is rebooted. leave the SJWisms for indie shit.
No.548436
>>548426
>Or even do what Archie does and not bother with continuity in the first place
I'd be fine with this, honestly. Just make a serial, of a superhero doing superhero things, make up crazy new bullshit every month. Comic books are allowed to be fun and entertaining.
No.548439
>>548426
This is something that has stagnated cape comics is that nothing really can be light-hearted anymore. Everyone needs to have some underlying problem or issue for the sake of drama even when it's not needed. First we need to have Spiderman dealing with a robot attack or some shit but oh no it looks like Aunt May is doing to die of a heart attack too.
This trope has gone down so much it's infecting other cape stories as well. Every hero needs to have some gritty backstory or some big cause to why they decided to pick up their costume and help others. You can no longer have a hero who just wants to help people just because.
It's sad that now having a light-hearted hero who just wanted to help people out of the goodness of their own heart is considered an unrealistic portrayal.
No.548442
>>548439
Why is a genre where people dress in brightly colored costumes and punch bank robbers in the face treated so seriously?
No.548463
>>548426
>they like them having a beginning, middle and end.
This is one of the main reasons I don't read capes, outside of the non-traditional, Astro City-type stuff.
It's all just a bunch of stories mushed together, with enough continuity to not have every story be its own thing, but not enough to have any sense of unity or progress. It's just pointless to get invested in.
No.548466
>>548463
And if there is continuity, where stuff actually happens, progress is made, and things are accomplished?
Retconned! Rebooted! It's all gone.
It's like they think canon is a fucking Etch'N'Sketch.
No.548473
>>548442
Because with movies like "The Dark Knight" and "Superman vs Batman", they believe that comics need to either be serious, broody, or edgy as fuck. >>548436 says it best. Comics are suppose to be fun and awesome, not super serious. Sometimes, if written well, can be best if it is serious, but not every comic character needs to be written in this fashion. Imagine an edgelord version of Plastic Man. But even then the bright costumes gimmick can get old as well, however making everyone look like they came out of a Tim Burton movie won't help as well. You kind of have to find a balance between the two which is easier than it sounds.
Hell I rather read all of the past Marvel's What Ifs than the current releases from Marvel of today.
No.548475
>>548473
The What-Ifs tend to be the only things with creativity put into them, because by their nature of being a "what-if" you can do whatever wacky bullshit you want without restraints. "Make everyone in the world fight The Hulk" sounds pretty damn good to me for a comic book.
>Imagine an edgelord version of Plastic Man.
Pretty sure they did that once already.
No.548479
>>548475
>Pretty sure they did that once already.
…you're kidding, right?
No.548482
>>548479
it's mostly hearsay, I haven't looked into it much, but I have heard some shit.
No.548483
>>548482
And this is an example of what not to do with characters….
No.548484
No.548492
>>548482
This is New52 isn't it?
No.548498
>>546953
I hope DC and Marvel fucking die so people actually pay attention to shit that deserves attention.
>>548394
This. Manga will take over. Though I would rather have that than the current capshit domination. There's a lot more interesting manga. Plus with Manga you just buy book 1 and can buy the next one at pretty much any point. You can take shit at your own pace and don't need to wory about reboots and alt universes and the fact that you might have had to been reading for years and years just to understand what's happening. Hell you can see it in posts here such as >>548463 >>548466 >>548421. Only insane people would try getting into this at this point.
Not sure though if mangas gone down the shitter as much as anime has however.
No.548500
>>548498
>Not sure though if mangas gone down the shitter as much as anime has however.
a lot of the shittier anime tend to be light novels and manga adaptions. It's like a mirror.
Manga is an oversaturated market but at least that means there's chances of finding good things in there. Like a garden overgrown with weeds that haven't completely choked the life out of the plants yet. Whereas here in the West, comics are just dying slowly and agonizingly.
No.548501
>>548492
How can you tell?
No.548502
>>548500
this. Also most of the shit that people actually remember tends to be good. Also things end. I could go on all day but with the capeshit climate, Manga is better in every way. Not that western shit can't be better. Hell with the way manga is right now then it would be easy. It just can't until Marvel and DC are out the way
No.548504
>>548501
Only New 52 would do some stupid edge shit like this to a beloved character
No.548508
>>548502
Don't count too much on that. Almost anything that enters the public eye will inherently turn to shit.
Do you really want Hollywood looking at mangas and deciding that's the next step they need to go for with adaptions? Hell the fuck no.
Mangas are best where they're at and that's having it's own fanbase and not being totally in the public eye. Cape shit is running it's years and hell I don't read manga but I wouldn't want what's happening to cape comics to happen to manga.
No.548511
>>548508
Oh Christ that's true. I remember faggots wanting anime to go mainstream as if that will give it respect. I'm just happy that American Akira never seems to ever get anywhere.
No.548513
>>548504
It was a joke, although apparently it's not from New 52, but one of the Flashpoint books.
No.548516
>>548508
>Do you really want Hollywood looking at mangas and deciding that's the next step they need to go for with adaptions? Hell the fuck no.
They wouldn't get far even if manga and anime were to somehow miraculously become mainstream.
In Japan, the creators own their work and like to keep their hand in as far as adaptations in other media go. In America, once you've sold the film rights, that's it for your involvement, unless your contract says otherwise, and you generally have to hope that you didn't sell your soul to the devil.
The failure of Dragon Ball Evolution, and Toriyama's remorse and shame over the whole fiasco, has generally made Japanese manga creators weary of accepting American-style Hollywood movie contracts to turn their properties into motion pictures.
Now, of course, if Hollywood really wanted, they could turn to various American manga creators to make films, but in my opinion that's not really manga, and US based manga creators don't generally have the same level fandom as their homegrown Japanese counterparts.
No.548520
>>548516
>American manga creators
No.548522
>>548516
>Japanese manga creators weary of accepting American-style Hollywood movie contracts
You want a better example? Astro Boy. Hollywood fucked up Astro Boy.
I think the impact of the American movie system just taking a massive fucking dump on Tezuka spoke far louder than Dragonball Evolution.
No.548524
>>548522
>I think the impact of the American movie system just taking a massive fucking dump on Tezuka spoke far louder than Dragonball Evolution.
Evolution came first and had greater impact because:
1) Toriyama's still alive, Tezuka's been dead for many years (the importance of this being that Toriyama is still around to complain about how shit Evolution was, which he did and which is unusual both for Toriyama and the Japanese people in general)
2) Dragon Ball is more recent and more popular
3) Evolution was a big budget live action film. Astro Boy was just a CGI cartoon
4) Shits have been taken on Tezuka by Americans before, see: The Lion King
Of course, the two of them bombing horribly in the same year probably didn't do Hollywood studios looking to adapt manga any favours.
No.548527
>>548520
>American manga creators
I didn't even know that was a thing
No.548535
>>548527
Tokyopop used to be full of them. They'd get Yanks to do their own manga. Most of them turned out to be shit. I think even DC and Marvel got in on it, I think Chuck Austen did a War Machine mini-series that was an AU where War Machine were a corps of Iron Men/War Machines who wore different hats or some shit, and he drew it in the manga style.
No.548540
>>548394
>Maybe they got a whiff of those sweet female manga sales demographics and that's what pre-empted their insane path of self-destruction?
No shit. Despite the anime bust, Manga is still killing it with multiple demographics. Demographics cape publishers desperately want. Unfortunately for them, they're unwilling to actually learn WHY it attracts so many demographics, mostly because the people in charge are 40+ year old cape fags.
>>548535
It was more a unique selling point than anything. In 2001, who the fuck would want to be a "cartoonist" when you could be a MANGA-KA? Still, Tokyopop did manage to get(screw) some solid talent, like Brandon Graham, Felipe Smith, and Priscilla Hamby.
Also, Chuck Austen didn't draw the MAX War Machine in manga style. He didn't draw it period. It was all terrible CGI filtered to look like manga.
No.548553
>>548535
>Tokyopop used to be full of them. They'd get Yanks to do their own manga. Most of them turned out to be shit.
It sucked for them because Tokyopop claimed ownership of all of them and it's only recently that those creators got to continue their creations.
Devil's Candy was one of them, and it's pretty good.
No.548557
>>548397
>Because bookstores are doing so well.
Surprisingly, used and independent bookstores have been making a comeback, as do libraries. Some of them have a cafe and food area, others hold book clubs, some other ones tend to focus on one particular niche.
Believe or not, but if you need somewhat niche or imported books, you are far better off with actual bookstores than Amazon.
>>548414
As long as creators don't let bad influences from fans into their work, it's all good. Mangakas tend to not carry too much about what westerners think of their work, and instead of listening to fans they slave away drawing and writing whatever they want.
>>548511
>Oh Christ that's true. I remember faggots wanting anime to go mainstream as if that will give it respect
Why would anyone want that? Don't they see what happened with with other previously niche hobbies that went mainstream, like video games?
No.548560
>>548516
>>548508
The language and national barrier pretty much ensures that Hollywood won't be able to touch anime for a decade at least. It took them long enough to not completely cock up comics.
Between 4kids and DB Evolution, even money-hungry anime publishers are rightfully leery of movie adaptations, and most aren't desperate enough for money to sell off their movie rights like Marvel did. And Japan has just enough of a local movie industry to make their own adaptations.
No.548580
>>548557
>Why would anyone want that?
Because some nerds are stupid and need validation.
No.548599
>>546953
Marvel is owned by Disney, so no matter how goddamn awful their sales are they will still never go under.
No.548663
>>548599
And DC are owned by Warners. It just doesn't change the fact that both companies are essentially IP Farms for their parents and if publishing comics doesn't prove lucrative enough i.e. both companies are no longer making $1 million + a year off of selling them, then their parent companies will just axe the publishing division and they'll go into reprints or something similar.
No.548670
>>548557
>trying to get a copy of the Sorber Collection
>go to amazon
>used copy is $150
>local library system has a old copy that has pages missing and is generally is horrible fucking condition
No.548679
>>548663
But unlike Warner, Disney is doing well at the box office and needs the crappy comics to sell merch.