No.548591
It's not that women rush to enter dying industries… or that female creators at the big two aren't even trying… uh… no… it's… uh… sexism… maybe… somehow? Yeah! Women are perfect, it must be the Illuminati… uh… I mean patrickarchie.
http://archive.is/vH98C
No.548608
>mfw beta cucks will go waste their money on shitty comics because they think they're sexist otherwise
No.548611
>>548591
Yep…..must be sexism and not the crappy writing.
No.548627
>>548591
I really have nothing to say about this. We all know that comics have been going to shit for decades, so there's no fucking point addressing their stupid conspiracy theory.
They should at least make it entertaining by blaming failing comic sales on something more ridiculous, like a mad deadly gangster computer god on the darkside of the moon or NASA planning to usher in the new world order with holograms.
No.548630
>>548627
Ah, but see, if they had that much imagination to begin with they'd probably be writing stories worth reading instead of thinly disguised, whiny SJW preaching.
No.548638
>>548591
>As Women Take Over a Male-Dominated Field, the Pay Drops
No shit. Women usually go after safe and easy jobs. If the job is safe and easy, then there's less risk, thus you don't need the incentive of higher pay.
Of course, this has no bearing on comics, since Western comics have been circling the toilet for a decade now. If women are coming into it expecting riches and glory, they're fucking stupid.
>>548630
>they'd probably be writing stories worth reading instead of thinly disguised shojo shit
FTFY. Let's be honest, none of the fuckers working at Marvel are Hiromu Arakawa. They don't have any fucking interest in the action genre. They're just Sailor Moon hipsters.
No.548641
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>>548627
>like a mad deadly gangster computer god on the darkside of the moon
You can't expect Soc-Jus to know the truth.
No.548642
>>548638
>They're just Sailor Moon hipsters
They only care about the aesthetic of that series and nothing more, they could never actually replicate Sailor Moon in any meaningful capacity especially since they only remember the heavily edited localized version Toonami aired.
Also
>Fullmetal Alchemist
This is like the perfect example against the articles point.
Why is it that Japan can have an abundance of women working in the manga/anime industry and be successful while western women can't?
No.548644
Also maybe if they came up with better female characters than maybe just maybe more women would buy comics.
No.548653
>>548642
>Why is it that Japan can have an abundance of women working in the manga/anime industry and be successful while western women can't?
Because it's an actual business? There's more opportunities for female cartoonists in Japan than there are in the West. They can get their work picked up by any number of manga publishers.
It's not just women either. Both Felipe Smith and Paul Pope also were picked up by Japanese publishers. Having a healthy and thriving industry can go a long way toward diversity.
No.548655
>>548644
Just as long as they're blond, blue eyed white girls.
No.548656
>>548644
Hell, you don't even have to include the moniker "better"; if fucking Ant-man made bank, no idea is beneath the public.
They just need to create some actual independent female characters: meaning new girls that have actual identities all their own instead of just having washed-out former love interests dress up as pink-dyed stand-ins for established male characters that only last one story arc.
No.548659
>>548656
Ant Man only made money because people are fucking idiots who will pay money to see anything from Marvel Studios.
No.548662
>>548653
> Both Felipe Smith and Paul Pope also were picked up by Japanese publishers.
Really ?
No.548694
>>548638
Not to mention that simple supply and demand dictates that if supply increases and there's no matching rise in demand, prices go down.
>>548656
>new girls that have actual identities all their own instead of just having washed-out former love interests dress up as pink-dyed stand-ins for established male characters
This is what literally fucking everyone has been saying with regards to "diversity" in comics since the fucking invention of that word.
Nobody wants black Spider-man because it's a literal re-skin of an established character, especially since actual black characters like Static Shock and Black Panther exist.
No.548698
>>548662
Yes and No. Felipe Smith was the only one that was actually published. His comic, Peepo Choo, was published in Kondasha's manga magazine "Morning 2" in 2008. Tumblr thought the comic was racist against blacks, completely oblivious to it's creator's ethnicity.
Pope spent five years working for same publisher, learning the craft, but his comic, Supertrouble, never got published. That was back in 1993 and he has a lot of interesting stories about it.
No.548707
>>548591
>women start to dominate an industry and force men out
>YAY EQUALITY!
lolwut?
>Market now flooded with unskilled and uncreative twats
>Comics and cartoons are in the worst state they've ever been in
>WAAAH WHY ARE WOMEN BEING PAID LESS?
Is this a fucking joke?
>Pay gap
Pfffffffffft
>Said talentless cunts produce shitty work are a slower and less consistent rate with terrible writing, shitty art, and terrible premises to boot
>Why is women's work valued less than men's?!
Fucking idiots. I swear, it's a wonder they can use computers at all.
No.548725
>>548707
It's like they suddenly realized they're the wetbacks of the entertainment industry.
No.548727
No.548728
>>548707
So they came into a male dominated field, fucked everything up to the point where the industry is on it's death bed waiting for someone to pull the plug and they wonder why things aren't going their way?
TOP FUCKING KEK
No.548729
>>548644
Why does Gwenpool even exist?
Who thought lets cross Gwen Stacy and Spider-Gwen? with Deadpool? At least the "unbelievable" title is certainly fitting.
No.548734
>>548729
So, when do we get IronGwen? or Captain Gwen? or GwenWidow? or GwenHulk?, or GwenThor? or GwenRider (GhostGwen)? or Gwenverine?, or Machine Gwen? or Gwenisher?…..
No.548740
>>548729
Because pandering to meme fags is what Marvel does now.
No.548744
>>548728
More like they all thought they were going to be amazingly successful in North Korea. Comics were already in poor shape when they came in. They just ignored the warning signs in their quest for recognition.
>>548734
You laugh, but Marvel had entire month of variants just like that.
No.548747
>>548729
She started out as variant cover for Deadpool's secret wars thing. Tumblr caught on to it, fanart started getting made, then cosplay. Next thing you know, even Deadpool cosplayer that pulls wacky hijinks on various cons and puts it on youtube gets a Gwenpool sidekick.
Marvel noticed the popularity, and since they are getting desperate, Gwenpool got a series now. Hopefully she will be the one to win a title of "Female Deadpool" and Squirrel Girl will get discarded and forgotten (shouldn't be too hard, due to better art and even reddit and tumblr slowly getting sick of shitty art). Maybe Spider-Gwen will go away as well, as to not confuse people. If that happens, it's just a matter o time before SJWs decry her as "Ms. Male Character" archetype and Marvel will end up with nothing.
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No.548766
>>548756
>North Korea actually has better comics than anything these SJW pricks can spout
>North Korea actually has better comics
>North Korea actually has comics
No.548773
>>548747
Why does it always come back to Tumblr?
No.548780
>>548591
>Why is women’s work so little valued in so many cultures around the world?
Usually "women's jobs" dont pose the same health- and safety risks male jobs do. Yet if a woman enters those fields she gets paid the same amount.
The only problem about wage gap seems to be in the very top position which is apparently all the feminists care about and just shun the fact theyre not oppressed, theyre just unwilling to work in any actual job like paving roads or working in abattoirs.
No.548781
>>548591
honestly. It's the bad writing and unknown names that put people off and that's not including the SJW's who write them and the forced messages they put in.
You tell me a famous female writer is writing a comic? cool, I'll buy it.
You tell me a whiny nobody moron who only got the job from whining is "writing" a comic that will insult me? Yeah no thanks
No.548805
>>548781
Even the quote "famous" female writers are trash. So really it's a lose lose situation for them.
No.548811
>>548591
I don't want to be that guy but the link you posted doesn't say anything about poor sales, it actually says that they are selling well.
what are you talking about exactly, OP?
No.548867
>>548811
What the author of that article believes and what is actually happening in reality are very different things.
No.548884
>>548627
>a mad deadly gangster computer god on the darkside of the moon
I'd fucking love a superhero story where the bad guy was a powerful AI modeled on Al Capone with a hidden moon base.
Call it Al Computone.
No.548900
>Marvel shouldn't pander to women, they won't buy comics!
>"Haha, look at the straight white pissbaby not sharing his toys!"
>This is pandering, it won't work!
>"More like selling to people who aren't you, manboy!"
>You guys are just shoehorning diversity! It's a cheap marketing ploy!
>"Maybe you need to get with the times and embrace diveWHERE IS THE MONEY GOING COME BACK MONEY
I couldn't give a shit what happens to them at this point. They all scream diversity diversity diversity and yet none of them buy comics. Sensational Wonder Woman flopped and got shitcanned. FemThor is FLOPPING. Squirrel Girl is FLOPPING. Hellcat is FLOPPING. Spider-Woman is FLOPPING. Not because they're women, but because they're just shit characters presented in a shit way with shit stories. The disproportionate number of female comic book readers ("comic book readers" not "comic fans" since "comic fan" nowadays means essentially seeing two Marvel movies maybe) are too savvy to pick up a new series on the flimsy reasoning of "Hey, it has a woman as the star! Crazy, right?!" and the majority male comic book reader is too savvy to be bullied by the cheap guilt ploy of "Hey, if you don't give it a chance, you're sexist!"
The only audience this appeals to is people who reblog the covers to either complain how sexy the girl is or to say just how so so important that Sam is Captain America now because there are no black people in comic books. Mister Terrific wasn't in a movie so I have no idea who that is nor will I ever. And those types of people are irrelevant fairweather fans. And once the movie craze dies down like it has been doing so, once the comic money's gone, Marvel will come crawling back. But I highly doubt anyone is going to welcome them back after they disregarded the actual fanbase so quickly in order to appeal to the t-shirt hipster crowd. Fuck 'em.
No.548913
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>>548884
Works particularly well with typefaces where you can't tell the difference between I and l.
No.548917
>>548913
Yeah that works really well. In fact, forget Comuptone.
AI Capone, AKA "Typeface."
No.548918
>>548591
>Jules
>good luck getting a job
>good luck being perceived as an entitled, overconfident bitch
>everyone who sees my work knows it
>as opposed to "everyone who sees my work gets it"
>karen
>it's (((CURRENT YEAR)))
>still thinking libraries are run by old white men
>also, you're a fucking librarian, not the planner
>jamie
>do does I statistics
>all dem words and nothing said, just implied
No.548919
>>548884
Why not make that shit yourself?
No.548921
>>548919
Because I'm a piece of shit with no talent of any kind.
No.548923
>>548921
That's where you're fucking wrong, shitface. I know you can do it if you took your hand off your dick and use that talent you got locked inside of you.
No.548927
>>548900
I've always thought that women who read comics don't really give a shit about female protagonists. Rather, they want more MALE protagonists, preferably ones that are ripped and have nice asses.
No.548946
>>548927
It's kind of funny, isn't it? By trying to pander to women, they are circling back around and insulting them with this simple minded shit.
>Well, if we want to attract female readers we have to give them girly shit!
>Like.. uhh.. sitting at cafes and whining about the men in their lives!
>Or having teenager problems like a boy who likes you but you only want to be friends with him!
>Or shopping because your clothes don't fit!
>Or.. uhh.. Having babies!
>Wait.. aren't these supposed to be super hero books?
>Shut up! Girls don't want all that crimefighting stuff! They want EMPOWERMENT
No.548968
>>548591
I'm sorry, but wasn't the point of bringing in all these shit writers to bring in more readers? I mean that is why DC and Marvel kicked their old audience to the curb, so that you would bring in a newer/younger audience. If these female writers fail to do the job they were hired to do, then why are they expecting get more pay for the job they failed to accomplish? I don't blame them for the current state of comics, well not the declining sales, (the horrible writing is their fault), the S. S. Comics was sinking long before they came along. Honestly, I have no idea what Marvel or DC can do to fix their industry, even if they started publishing 50 page comics again with great writers, artists who understand anatomy, and Frank Cho drawing all the covers.
No.548982
>>548766
Why not post the whole interview, anon?
>>548946
You forgot about token gay friend.
The real kicker is, that these stereotypical girly things are written by women themselves. Women that consider themselves a progressive, nonconformist, and non traditional. I would take 6 Gail Simones over one Kate Leth.
No.548986
>>548982
>I would take 6 Gail Simones over one Kate Leth.
You take that shit back. Simone is just as bad if not worse.
No.548990
>>548968
Step 1: do what Square Enix (they're actually a very large manga publisher) and every webcomic does: Digital ad supported first, with collected volumes published latter.
Step 2: Publish a greater variety of comics than just superhero story. You can keep them in the DC universe with the odd cameo (and DC actually did this back when they were Detective Comics). Gotham Academy is a good start (and apparently has done decently well).
They'll never be a dominant
I can see DC trying it (they're already doing reprint collections
>>548946
When May had her stupid highschool shit it was always about how it related to her hero life (and not just her secret identity). They figured out how to do it two decades ago.
No.548991
>>548986
>You take that shit back. Simone is just as bad if not worse.
Y' know, Gail kinda stated all this crap…
No.548992
>>548990
Meant to say that they will never be a dominant industry again, but they won't bleed money and exist purely as IP farms.
I can see DC trying it (they're already going to collected volumes, which is a good idea), but Marvel seems so far up their own ass and sucking up the movie bubble they'd never do it.
Also they need cute girls doing cute things for Nipponese artists to make lewd shit of.
No.548994
>>548982
>Why not post the whole interview, anon?
Because that segment was most relevant to our discussion
No.549004
>>548653
I feel like women in the manga industry make manga for women, while women in the comics industry put women in comics for men and then complain that women are not reading it.
No.549006
>>548994
>>548995
Alright, alright. I got it the first time :^)
>>548986
Well, the second page is just brutal. All I really knew Gail from before that was her Secret Sex run and bitching on twitter and blogs, but that Batgirl page is just atrocious. I would still take Gail Simone over Kate Leth, Since her Secret Six was fun at first.
No.549007
>>548986
Forgive me, but what is the name of that first comic? There was a story time several months ago that I put myself through and I remember that it was from that. It had a gay demon boy, a sassy chick with problem glasses, and black nerd. Thats all I remember.
No.549009
>>549007
The Movement I think
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No.549011
>>548986
>Simone is just as bad if not worse.
Yeah, now. But Simone's Secret Six was good, maybe her Birds of Prey (the first time, not the second time) too.
Kate Leth has never made anything good.
No.549013
>>548923
>>548921
This, you need to suck a lot before you git gud, but once you get there, you can do your stuff
No.549043
No.549052
>>548986
>Transgender disregards all trauma suffered by her friend and makes it about herself.
It's like they know
No.549059
>>549052
>We can't have such a misogynistic storyline, we must
No.549090
>>548608
I typically hate being an arrogant shit, but it really is next to impossible to not feel a smug sense of superiority to people like that.
No.549093
Would the second video game crash will be blame on sexist cis white males too?
No.549109
>>548918
>where traditionally only the heads of libraries are men
what. every image I think of any librarian is a female one.
>>548986
get's me every single time.
what the fuck has her being a tranny got to do with any of that shit whatsoever.
fuck me.
>>548990
>Publish a greater variety of comics than just superhero story. You can keep them in the DC universe with the odd cameo
So Lucifer, Sandman, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing Vertigo kind of deal?
I'm down with that.
No.549111
>>548608
worst thing is when the author turns cucked half way through a run you're reading.
No.549141
>>548608
This reminds me of Cisbusters for some reason. All those people screaming sexism think they can shame people not interested into watching that shite.
No.549167
>>548918
The thing is, even if a woman does everything equal or better to a man, there's still that constant threat of pregnancy. Nobody up top likes having their prized workers randomly go on 1-3 year breaks.
No.549204
>>549093
Yes, if a crash does happen in any medium it isn't going to be industry leaders and creators going
>We fucked up.
It is going to be
>All these straight white males didn't buy our diverse thing, those fucking bigots ruined everything.
No.549211
>>549109
>So Lucifer, Sandman, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing Vertigo kind of deal?
Didnt the retailers say that stuff like that are the top sellers while people are ditching the traditional capes in droves?
No.549214
No.549220
>>549093
Have to keep denying reality and figure out a scapegoat for why you wont have any customers, yeah.
No.549224
>>548638
It pisses me off that western females bitch about how the industry is there, but in Japan, a far more conservative country, the riches woman for quite a while was the mangaka behind Inuyasha/Ranma½/Urusei Yatsura, Rumiko Takahashi.
And bunch of hacks, these fuck, nothing else.
No.549245
>>549093
>burkinis
Tell me this is a parody article and not a real one.
Ah, who am I kidding. England is dead.
No.549246
>>549245
>Ah, who am I kidding. England is dead.
I blame the scotts
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>>548986
Gail Simone is a fucking untouchable bitch. If you dare critcize her in public, her fanbase will torn you a new one. Kath Leth ain't got such a protection.
No.549281
>>549224
That's because Rumiko Takahashi doesn't delude herself or others into thinking that manga needs "STRONK WEMEN". She draws fucking soap operas and teenage girls eat them up. She knows what women like to read because she isn't in denial of her own desires.
No.549293
>>549281
Not to mention manga is a very big thing in Japan. Japan is the #1 comic-crazy country in the world simply because they have comics targeted towards everyone and theyre everywhere.
So tapping to the japanese equivalent of a Twilight/50 shades of grey audience with your romance mangas can be quite profitable.
No.549298
>>548591
this shit really flys as "journalism" nowadays?
No.549305
>>549246
>I blame the scotts
Oh yeah? Well, the Scots blame you!
Why?
I'm… not sure.
They just hate the English/non-Scots.
Glaswegian here.
No.549314
>>549281
>be Rumiko Takahashi
>work you ass out on multiple manga series
>become modestly successful in Japan
>brother writes a ridiculous manga about card games, friendship, and Egypt
>brother gets millionaire from royalties of said card game without even trying
No.549317
>>548918
>(((CURRENT YEAR)))
Okay, someone please tell me what the fuck is up with the triple brackets that have been appearing all over the place. I asked on /pol/ and all I got was some cryptic comment about Chrome. Is this Google's way of memeing their shitty browser to number 1, by forcing people to use it if they want to see the pretty effects?
No.549330
>>549246
I blame the Welsh.
Fucking sheep fuckers
No.549341
Friendly reminder that these cunts are ruining comics and are getting a free pass because of their vags.
No.549354
BTW Erica Henderson might be getting fired from Jughead because she was so terrible she was several times worse than post-DeCarlo Archie Comics artists.
No.549360
>>549314
A partnership with Konami makes a big difference, but Rumiko is one of the most successful female manga-ka in history. Urusei Yatsura, Ranma, and Inu Yasha made her a mountain of money.
No.549363
>>549314
Pretty sure they're not related.
No.549365
>>549281
Doesn't this people hate japan for being terrible misogynistic? Meanwhile women in japan makes millions selling their manga while women in america are making comic companies lose money.
No.549372
>>549314
>become modestly successful in Japan
>modestly successful
Dude…
No.549373
>>549365
It's because feminist content is not appealing to women.
No.549376
>>549373
There is the problem, they are not making products for women, they are getting products for men and plastering women in it. Then they complain about women not buying it while at the same time losing the male market it already had.
If the comics industry actually made comics for women, we would get romance and mexican soap opera kinds of comics. But that would be mysoginistic. I mean… why women in the west are so afraid of admiting they like girly stuff?
It's like people forcing their daughters to play with legos to grow up and be a engineer, while what she really wants is to play with dolls and be a princess.
No.549388
>>549376
Even if they did make comics aimed at women, feminists will still cry about gender stereotypes because their entire movement was founded on bitching about pointless shit.
No.549389
>>549365
Japan is a very equal and fair society. Everyone suffers equally.
But the reason Feminists hate Japan is because they can have a very balanced society while maintaining traditionalist cultural values. This means that no wave of feminism can take credit for the state of Japan. They don't get to pat themselves on their vaginas for Japan's accomplishments, but they don't get to feel like they are fighting in any meaningful way for social justice in Japan either.
If feminism was at all what it says it is, then they'd be happy for Japan. Instead, they are bitter, angry, hateful cunts who just want all the glory and money for shit they had nothing to do with.
No.549390
>>549388
No one seens to cry about 50 shades and Twillight.
No.549392
>>549390
Some do, but for some reason, they can never complain long enough.. But video games where you can kill people? Now there's something worth never shutting up about!
No.549410
>>549389
That's what pisses me off, you know? Japan is actually a great place for women when it comes to comics and video games. You actually have a huge female market there, women making products for women. This "comics/video games is a male only market that needs to open up for women" is a western concept, yet big names in feminism talk like Japan is some kind of islamic state where it's illegal to resist rape.
No.549416
>>549314
Not sure if you're joking or not but Rumiko and Kazuki aren't related. Takahashi's a very common name in Japan, in fact it's the third most common name after Sato and Suzuki
No.549432
>>549341
I really want to hate-fuck them and dump them on a trash can after I am done.
No.549434
>>549341
Gail looks like someone I would try to avoid during parties…
No.549442
>>549432
>I really want to hate-fuck them
>I really want to fuck them
Nigger what's wrong with you?
No.549444
>>549432
Kate Leth won't fuck you unless you're a horse or a married man with cancer.
No.549447
>>549410
In their minds Japan can't have successful female presence.
If they admit it does then it means there's nothing stopping them here, and then they have to come to terms with the fact that their inadequacy is their own fault.
No.549454
>>549317
It's an inside joke among /pol/acks that was started by Morrakiu's Merchant Minute videos where there's an echo effect every time he says a Jewish name/something the Jews control. So the three parentheses are meant to meant to replicate the sound of an echo in text form.
No.549455
>>549330
I blame Argentina
No.549461
>>549317
The left-wing site Urban 75 (which made it to the front page of some UK newspapers once, after the London police chief posted on there) has been using (((((USERNAME))))) to represent hugs for 15 years or so
No.549463
>>549432
>>549442
did someone say Homestuck Kismesissitude?
'cus I just heard someone say Homestuck Kismesissitude.
No.549472
>>549211
>>549214
couldn't find much in link apart from Swamp Thing but I'm not surprised.
I've moved on to vertigo in a big way recently, not because I don't enjoy capes or the like but because all the creative talent is there or was there.
I could pick up some Bendis shit, shit? or Jason Aaron's magical adventures of sexism.
Or I could pick up some Moore Swamp Thing or Lucifer or Hellblazer and be thinking about it for the next 2 weeks
>>549314
to be fair it was about games in general before the card stuff. It just seems fans enjoyed the card stuff a lot more.
Don't think they're related.
Huh she wrote Maison Ikkoku. Fucking loved that series in my teens.
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No.549483
>>548591
Even if it was, so what? That's just the free market in action.
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>>549442
What? Never had that person you despised so much you wanted to sexually degrade them?
>>549444
You say that like she would have any choice in the matter.
No.549509
>>549498
>Never had that person you despised so much you wanted to sexually degrade them?
Generally if I hate a person I don't want to put my dick in them.
And if I want to put my dick in them, I don't really hate them.
No.549514
>>548982
>Severe curtailment of travel
>Taxis massively increased
You know, just today I found myself amazed that the British government still allowed people to drive their own cars in any direction they wanted, and at (up to a point) any speed they wanted. No doubt they'll be "fixing" that before long.
crap related.
No.549516
>>549509
Clearly you haven't experienced true hatred yet.
No.550425
>>549432
>wanting to fuck Gail Simone
>at all
No.550426
>>549514
Er, Grant said 'Taxes', not 'Taxis'. He's Scottish, hence the confusion.