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ef4800 No.12[Reply]

Welcome to /col/, the 8ch settlement board! This board is for discussing all sorts of efforts to create 8chan-related communities in physical space.

"Let's all just move to our own house/compound/farm/commune/town/city/nation!" has always been a popular topic both here and on halfchan. However, a lot of these efforts quickly die out, fade into irrelevance, and repeat the same simple errors over and over. I bet all of you fags who are into this shit are the same people anyway, so we might as well have a single place for these things where we can learn from past mistakes.

Rules:

1. One official thread per project. You can have as many unofficial ones as you like.

2. Don't fuck with other projects.

3. Do not advocate illegal activity. (I mean things like moving to a farm and making drugs, not the complicated problem of sovereignty itself)

4. General discussion threads about matters relevant to more than one project are fine. (such as financing strategies, power generation, international law)

5. Meta discussion can go in this thread.

>what are official threads

In official threads, constructive criticism is encouraged, and I will delete negative comments like "this will never work, you're all retarded". Official threads must have the word "official" somewhere in the subject.

Everywhere else, anything goes.

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f967c1 No.64

>>63
Well, my goal is to have a board (and hopefully community) where you can go to get informed discussion about previous attempts. One thing I notice is that whenever there's some project like this, everyone acts like they're the first people to ever think of starting their own nation, and keep reinventing the same wheels.

As for policy, I was planning to let everyone start a thread for their own settlement if they want. If they don't want to get flooded with naysayers, I'm in a position to help with that as the BO. But I think naysayers are important, so they are welcome to voice their concern outside the official thread.

I don't think I should set rules for the projects themselves. I can only set rules for discussions of projects. Anything beyond that is up to the users. But IMO it wouldn't hurt to brainstorm a bit about rules that any such project should/would have, etc.


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d6003b No.117[Reply]

The following thread was made on /pol/ (>>/pol/3729887):

>Hey /pol/ what if we got together and gentrified a Neighborhood? Anons with money could buy houses anons that can’t afford a house could rent rooms from them.

>We should pick a state with low taxes and decent gun laws (wouldn’t want to live in a shitty neighborhood with no protection). We should pick a city with cheap property, a low cost of livng, at least one accredited university and trade school as many anons are attending or plan to attend higher education.

A few people expressed interest. I'll make this thread as a semi-permanent archive of any progress made.

My Tox ID is A89C953A6B1CE2BBBFFCA5299C988D8393A2B3FBF0F6C3C498D1679F90077342D51974251193 .

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b0be9e No.140

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Looking at lewiston, Maine. They have some good apartments for cheap.

$130k will get you a 6 to 8 unit complex that needs TLC and will generate around $3000-$4000/month in income after mortgage and taxes (assuming 20%) down.

It's near a major river, so some properties are in a moderate risk zone for flooding, according to floodsmart.gov which means we would have to get a quote on flood insurance before going any further with the properties.

However, Lewiston does not preclude other towns in Maine.

Another town I was looking at was Asheville, NC. Good gun laws, 76% white.


c0a776 No.141

>>140

Lewison's not bad, but we'd need a spot innawoods.


d6003b No.142

>>140

>$130k will get you a 6 to 8 unit complex that needs TLC and will generate around $3000-$4000/month in income after mortgage and taxes (assuming 20%) down.

Not too bad. But at 3.5k monthly that's 42k annual. That's a PE of 3.1 - traditionally, in the stock market (considered mid-high risk) PE of 10-12 is considered good, 13-16 is average, 17-20 is poor and 20+ is a shit stock. Granted, today the SP500 is 20 as well due to bubble, that's another matter.

Anyway, that seems like an extremely low price for that income. The obvious conclusion is that either you've really lucked out and found an amazing deal, or there is some hidden cost that makes the price several times higher (doubt it, even if you shell out 300k for renovations PE is still an amazing 10.2) or more likely the income lower. If we assume the average stock market performance, for 130k you should expect to make 8.67k annual or $720 monthly - that's after property tax but before income tax.

How do you go from 3.5k to 720? Possibly low occupancy, delinquent tenants and legal costs they generate, various recurring expenses. Also, note that stocks are much riskier than real estate, so the market expects higher returns. I believe real estate as a whole is expected to turn out 2-3% ROI annual, which corresponds to PE 30-50, meaning that the number you give are 10 times better.

How are the demographics in Lewiston? I see it has 65k pop, are people moving in or out? How's the economy? How's the real estate market? (BTW I've had some success finding out these things by just talking to real estate agents, and when it's time to make the deal more detailed market research can be done)

At $3-4k for 6-8 I guess you're assuming $500 rent per unit. From casually searching the Maine craigslist for "Lewiston" this seems like a reasonable estimate.

2BR apt for $650: http://maine.craigslist.org/apa/5278654679.html

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b0be9e No.143

>>142

I think the catch is that it's a flood zone. That's why I hesitated to link to the property because it's next to a river and the flood insurance might be several thousands of dollars a year, which would be like a second mortgage. However, I'll keep looking at the rest of maine.

https://www.redfin.com/ME/Lewiston/37-Davis-St-04240/home/100190606

As for demographic, it's 88% white (TOP LEL) and, I shit you not, underwent some bantu "refugee relocation" where the residents protested and a "white nationalist" organization came to demonstrate. Maybe, considering it's history, it'd be best to steer clear anyway.

Also, that's a good comparison to the stock market. Real estate is usually measured in GRM (gross rent multiple) or cap rate, but those you take with a grain of salt anyway. The big deal with RE is income tax depreciation deductions, low taxes and good occupancy.


b0be9e No.144

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>>142

>>143

I also want to hash out structure, or the whole project is pointless.

[spoiler]lo_tek{/spoiler] was suggesting that the program be structured in a way as to attract unskilled anons/NEETsoc's and give them an opportunity to learn how to do home repair/remodeling as a side job or full time job while they have a place to live with inexpensive rent.

I am on board for this idea 100% and have come up with some options for the financing. I'll save how we should tour, inspect and certify a property in another post.

Scenario #1: The Partnership - maximum cash flow, investor centric

>Several /pol/acks form a liability shielding entity, such as an LLC, and determine the best tax structure, S-corp etc., then purchase a property and share the down payment/closing costs (if the seller won't cover them) as well as any debt obligations (mortgage, taxes, PMI, etc.)

>The apartment/parcel is rented out to tenants and a /pol/ack lives there as a property manager with free rent or payed by the hour.

>Original investors don't have to immediately be on property and are free to explore other prospects to expand in the area or another area.

Scenario #1.1: The Co-Op - decent cash flow, faster expansion

>Property is purchased as in #1, but instead of keeping ownership of the entire property the apartments are sold to /pol/acks with their own bank financing.

>Now, aside from a small HOA fee, the NEETs own their own apartments outright and can renovate them individually to sell at a profit.

>original investors get shares of the sold apartment and can use that as capital towards more properties in the area to do the same thing.

>de facto gentrification and mass immigration of /pol/acks ensues.

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fd5d54 No.50[Reply]

Open Source Ecology thread.

(Because the drive for colonies is proletarians wanting the MEANS OF PRODUCTION for SELF-ACTUALIZATION, fuckers.)

So what the fuck happened with this, /col/onels? It seems like all progress ground to a halt years ago. I'm still subscribed to their channel and they put out the stupidest fucking unedited clusterfuck videos from time to time.

I think Marcin must be dealing with some SocJus bullshit inside his little commune because I've seen nothing new out of these guys in the past 5 fucking years other than finishing the CEB press and declaring it a failure since it doesn't outperform a manual press.

It would have been faster if he had just told everyone to fuck off once he got his grant money and then just did everything himself like he had been doing successfully.

So, what if these guys fail, lose their grants, and disband?

All colonies desperately need an open source hardware set that can be created from raw materials. The whole world needs this shit.

caab5c No.62

>>50
Great fucking post man!
bump this shit

50608a No.70

Is it viable to set up a legit consulting business which silently uses open source infrastructure for small time agri-investors who don't know about farming, don't care about what principle the farm is founded on or run with, and just want to make money from farming (and are perfectly happy hiring someone to do the actual farming for them so long as they get to skim the profits)?

5ad3b5 No.105

>>70

Why would you have to silently use open source infrastructure?

You are free to use their designs, profit or no


5736c3 No.116

>>50

bump for awesomeness, yet I can't contribute yet



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b3f5ea No.13[Reply]

What previous attempts to found micronations do you know, and how far did they get?
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e5b34c No.110

>>109

It's kind of in the air at this point. Some of us still talk on the irc channel but everyone has moved on to trying to find ways to make money personally or for the project - the few of us left in the channel on a daily/semi-daily basis have been trying to think of a way to raise enough money to build the whole town off and on but recruitment topped out at about 60 people signed up so our hopes aren't high for it getting done. If we could figure out a way to fund it ourselves we could probably have people lined up to join and help actually build the town pretty quickly - but that's probably the only hope of it ever getting built - a purely crowfunded project doesn't seem viable.


9097d5 No.111

>>110

What's the money pot at right now? How many did people pledge, actives/inactives etc?

I've actually been interested in this project for a while, but brainstorming didn't appeal to me so I wasn't active. I was waiting for signs of action I could join in on, but those never seemed to come. I didn't know the IRC still existed.

Not to rudely shill, but please feel welcome to hang out here if you want - projects come and go, but the people who want to get off the ride are always the same ones. Might as well collect them in a place that won't go down when the project does.

Are you still committed to the idea in its original form? As in, the corporate entity and what not? What do you think about alternatives, such as everyone independently buying land in a certain isolated spot and building a community, or /namibia/?


e5b34c No.112

>>111

>What's the money pot at right now?

There's not really any "in the pot" because we never had any intention of collecting money unless we were certain it was going to happen - the signup form is just to get a list of people that we can email when the list hits 1,000 and say "who's still interested in this" then either get started pooling funds and buying land/equipment or go back to recruiting depending on how the numbers look.

>How many did people pledge, actives/inactives etc?

About 60 people.

>I've actually been interested in this project for a while, but brainstorming didn't appeal to me so I wasn't active. I was waiting for signs of action I could join in on, but those never seemed to come. I didn't know the IRC still existed.

The IRC channel isn't under heavy use - I typically idle in there but we've tended to migrate to another channel on the same server every time we take on a new project in an attempt to raise money together - based on the tabs in my IRC client it looks like we're into the third attempted project now.

>Not to rudely shill, but please feel welcome to hang out here if you want - projects come and go, but the people who want to get off the ride are always the same ones. Might as well collect them in a place that won't go down when the project does.

Thanks.

>Are you still committed to the idea in its original form? As in, the corporate entity and what not? What do you think about alternatives, such as everyone independently buying land in a certain isolated spot and building a community, or /namibia/?

Still more or less focused on a corporate structure. Ultimately even with good self-sufficiency we don't plan to be Luddites - more of a techno-Amish community - so we are going to need to trade for some materials like rare earth elements, some scientific equipment that would just be too much effort to produce in a DIY manner, at least until the population were much larger, etc. A rural patch of unclaimed land seems nice in concept, but I think it's a bit overly-idealistic if you don't plan on buildingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


9097d5 No.114

>>112

>About 60 people.

All pledged? I thought pledging was optional. That's 600k with the very generous assumption that they all mean it, not bad. Of course I know that with these things it's one thing to say on the internet that you'd do it, and another to actually do it.

I myself always wondered about the transitory communities. After all, 10k is a lot of money, and just up and moving in the middle of nowhere (even if the plan is to make it not the middle of nowhere) is a lot of commitment.

But say your project involved that everyone move to location 2 hours drive from Manhattan. Even if it doesn't work out, it's not like you wouldn't have any backup options. Of course who wants to actually live in New York, and all the serious projects require serious commitment. Meanwhile, /pol/ or other imageboard community has never meaningfully organized IRL. One would naturally wonder if such an effort would be bogged down by infighting and personal friction, and what steps need to be taken to prevent that.

So there would be at least a two stage process: Before an actual community, such as what you have proposed, is set up, the interested persons can move into a temporary community. This temporary community would not need to be long-term sustainable and won't try. It won't realize most of the interesting goals that such an effort would be justified by. However it would require relatively small commitment, and would be set up such that members can pull out at any time and not be worse for wear.

Say you organize a few dozen people to move to Concord, NH and rent rooms or flats in the same apartment complex. This accomplishes the goal of bringing everyone in close physical proximity, to the point where some self-government can be established. Obviously you can't violate state or federal law, but when everyone living in a building is "us", there's a lot of potential for creating de facto rules for each other. Perhaps even to the point where minor offenses against local customs go unpunished because nobody reports them. Eg. hanging a Nazi flag on your door wouPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


e5b34c No.115

>>114

Good commentary, but a few points.

The typical pledge is $15,000 so the total thus far (if everyone stuck on) would be $900,000 (actually closer to 1.5m since some have put more down, but again it's been awhile since those guys signed up.) When we've discussed it with people we've suggested saving a bit more than a pledge - ideally double it so if it does for whatever reason fall apart they have something to fall back on - if it does work out they would have spare cash to import things while the internal economy and supply chain was worked out.

Initially it was "lets move innawoods and make a town" - but it grew considerably more realistic over time as everyone involved chimed in with possible flaws about politics, supply and economic logistics, etc. The overall plan at this stage since we're more or less looking at it as requiring a decent source of cash to get going prior to actually starting would be:

-start a local business that makes money and rent or buy a warehouse to work out of while staging orders of construction equipment and building materials

-send out advance parties to start building up temporaryhousing and get farming operations going along with communal structures like a fabrication/milling lab

-keep importing people based on applicable skillsets while building out long-term housing, utilities and growing the farming operations until everyone is there

The closest thing to a living-together condition prior to beginning construction would be maybe a half dozen or dozen people living and working out of the staging/business warehouse in a dual-zoned area that allows it.



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068c15 No.113[Reply]

Thread for discussion of the Innawood project to form a corporate town in a rural part of the state of Maine: http://innawood.org/Properties/

IRC: irc.freenode.net #innawood

Innawood would focus on building a self-sufficient community without giving up modern technology and would collaborate for trade with the outside world while abiding by national and state laws. With a population of approximately 5,000 - 10,000 a legal township could be established with a town hall, courthouse and local emergency services. Land in the area is cheap, building codes are non-existent outside of close proximity to waterways and the land contains all 3 geological mineral types while being set several hours from the nearest population center.

Currently there are about 60 people signed up with a goal of at least 1,000 before beginning to pool pledged funds to buy land and equipment.


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da4832 No.104[Reply]

I don't know if this is very /colony/ related but why don't we just put our money together, buy some land our houses and rent them out cheap to others sharing our cause. This way we would be earning more money to buy more land, and keep expanding.

a93699 No.106

1. Buying land to rent it is a very popular business, lots of people do it already. Because of competition from them, all the good land is too expensive and will take decades to pay for itself (not to mention the property tax).

You would have to buy land in the middle of nowhere, which is a fair idea, except:

>have to pay through the nose to get power, water, set up sewage processing, build road, get internet

>no nearby jobs

>far away from stores

2. How exactly do you handle ownership of the land? Whose name goes on the deed?

It's actually a perfectly viable idea, especially if a critical mass of a few dozen /pol/acks participates so that a community may be created, rather than just a few dudes jerking each other off in the woods. Of course, it helps to make sure that everyone will behave, and a few faggots won't stir up drama and ruin it for everyone - not like you will be able to leave easily once you commit.

To that end, IMO the best option is to have a pilot /pol/ community with low stakes, that lets you see how everyone interacts and what to watch out for.

That said, if details are well thought out it would certainly work. Countless freak cults have been founded and existed for ages by this very method, surely a bunch of normal god-fearing 8channers could manage.



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8a94f9 No.101[Reply]

So, there's now a new /pol/ nation attempt: Greenland.

A thread was created on 4/11/2015: http://8ch.net/pol/res/1708114.html

Having looked through the threads on /greenland/, I'm guessing the board was created on 3/21/2015.

Interestingly, it seems Greenland isn't quite a forgotten backwater nobody wants: http://www.mining.com/greenland-embraces-mining-rush-but-wont-favour-one-country-alone-prime-minister-43629/

aee0bf No.103

I was the threadstarter on that one you linked, but theres been a few previous threads posted on /pol/ and /polpol/ about it already. It is certainly more feasible than /namibia/.

Let's see what becomes of it…


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1573e0 No.102[Reply]

Whatever happened to this project?

The board seems dead, with 2 active IPs as of now. Last I heard a Latvian was starting an NGO to do it, but then they got found out: http://www.vice.com/read/white-colony-in-namibia-773

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6a25e6 No.46[Reply]

This is the Official NeMP Thread. The Stipendist Seasteading and Island-Building Project!

Introduction and Index
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y-9IklYRUDN8TDSR5gURSCqzt9w9bBkBUhMzBRBpqGo/edit?usp=sharing

Immediate Project Requests:
-Cool Flag Art, OP images, & NeMP themed /col/ banners!

-Ideas and contributions to The Minervan Junk subproject.

-Materials Engineer expertise on hull composite materials. My plan is to make a LOT of silicon carbide as a form of insitu resource utilization. When looking up materials and alloys for boats I noticed silicon carbide is also of around the same mass and density as aluminum, and is supposedly very chemically inert. Could a boat hull be made from silicon carbide entirely or in composite with other materials in your opinion? Why or why not?

-Someone with a good radio voice to do an introductionary video to the NeMP.

-More traffic to /col/, passively mention it on your favorite board, get friends involved in the NeMP, etc.
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6a25e6 No.54

>>53

The alternative is we could forget about 3D printing and just pour molten material into a giant mold, let it cool, and then pull it out of the mold somehow.

2bae8a No.88

>>53
Perhaps im just being silly here, but i don't actually see the point of any of the rest of what you are saying.
You have created an excellent idea for a business that could make you even more wealthy so you could begin this project entirely by yourself, is it that you can't contact any of the kind of engineers or companies required to build such a device?
To me the "ship printing" idea seems more valuable than the colonization one for the moment and perhaps you should try to find up and coming materials engineers at a local university and form a company of your own so you can later on start on your other (far more risky and ambitious) goals.

d67160 No.91

>>51
>>52
SiC sounds hot. But why not fiberglass, out of curiosity? Because of 3D printing?

>>53
How heavy are the ships going to be? Perhaps the hydraulics is unnecessary. You could have something like a loop of railroad passing through the factory. Cars with powder come in, ship is made, they come out, laser gets to work on next powder car. Meanwhile some other mechanism (perhaps even humans) unload the finished product and load more powder.

As for size, would it really be hard to make a big printer? You just need a laser that you can aim, it shouldn't be too difficult.

While getting started, you can print all sorts of other things, since it's not like the design of the printer changes much with what you will print.

Early prototypes could be scale models that print tiny boats. I dunno, to sell as RC toys are something.

a1d1d1 No.95

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>>88
you dont want a ship to be made in one piece of rigid material, just like you dont want a building to be like that.
it doesnt react well to stress; what works well is an assembly of materials like bricks in a wall.

b0e48e No.99

I know what you want to know but I'm not telling until I find out you aren't as flakey as you seem


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5c290b No.61[Reply]

How do we get power?
I think a LFTR would be a great source of energy later down the road but how do we start initially?

f056d2 No.65

All atomic power requires tremendous infrastructure. People who have the expertise are numbered, not to mention large powers already freely interfere in such matters even when it's other sovereign states.

Wind seems straightforward but even if installation is outsourced you need skilled specialist for maintenance.

Solar seems easiest, but a bit expensive especially if you consider the cost of batteries.

Portable generators are the easiest, but doesn't work as a mainstay solution (would require massive shipments of fuel).

389042 No.66

Concentrated solar thermal.

You just use sunshine to heat up oil and boil water. No expensive panels needed, just mirrors to concentrate solar on one point.

-Low number of moving parts
-Can store energy in the form of heat to continue working at night
-Creates fresh water as a byproduct
-Creates pressurized water as a byproduct
-Harnesses heat as a biproduct
-Can even drive an air conditioning system as a biproduct

fe3f31 No.67

>>66
I have to agree, I read a little bit about it and it could be the best choice.


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1578a0 No.56[Reply]

Guys there is already a plan to colonize a place. You don't need a passport to move there it is called the Northwest Imperative. WA also has no state income tax on individuals and none of the states in the Northwest have assault weapons bans.

e08618 No.59

NWF seems like it would draw FBI infiltrators like flies to a dung heap. For one, they openly advocate secession and revolution, which is a big no-no for most regimes.

I also find their constitution a bit odd. They are extremely reactionary, yet still cling to democracy. Also, why not have a judicial branch? I would of thought that the judicial branch has historically been much less badly behaved compared to executive and legislative in USA or elsewhere.

Not saying this criticism, just my observations.

d9b86c No.68

>>59

They don't cling to democracy. It's a single party state. The constitution just contradicts itself heavily and is incoherent because it was written by nazi theocrats and libertarian atheists together. Tip top kekkle and hammirth of the lolviet union.

e08618 No.69

>>68
I don't think it's that bad. It has some kinks that need to be worked out, but it's a fair start if you wanted a, like you say, nazi theocracy/libertarian atheist state. You certainly can't fault it for failing to deliver on the reactionary, white nationalist premise.

Like I said, though, I don't get these things like single party state. Why? If you want dictatorship, why bother with votes at all? And if you're gonna have votes, why bother with restricting parties? Parties just neatly organize a phenomenon that will happen in any electorate (voting blocks and ideological camps). Seems like a terrible middle ground.

a25835 No.89

>Article II. All residents and citizens of the Republic shall enjoy the right to complete freedom of speech, freedom of artistic and creative expression, and freedom of the press. (This article shall not be construed as limiting or interdicting the right of the government of the Republic or competent local authority to control or prohibit expressions of obscenity and/or pornography.)

What an epic failure.

e08618 No.90

>>89
It's a very reactionary text in every sense of the word. Half of it is lifted verbatim from reactionary sacred texts like the US constitution, the rest is clearly a reaction to current hot issues (freedom of speech, guns, frivolous lawsuits). It's like if /pol/ was less retarded and made their dream country. Figures that porn is not allowed, since it's degenerate/Jewish.

I personally think it has big problems, but it's amusing to read for how it completely rejects convention.


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71dabc No.71[Reply]

So /pol/ recently stickied an interesting essay. I will reproduce this essay in below posts for convenience.

This brings up an interesting question for us /col/onists, though. If WW3 does indeed break out, is it possible to save yourself by holing up in a remote enclave?

There are two main problems: First is the usual chaos associated with war (or civil war) in large population centers. Any major city of strategically relevant nations may potentially be a very dangerous place to be: Consider the example of Paris, Berlin, Dresden, Stalingrad and many others during WW2. Note how it is not necessary for the city to actually be conquered - just starving in a besieged city and being reduced to eating rats, or the civil unrest brought about by the chaos of war, can be bad enough to a disinterested citizen.

The second problem is novel. There is a possibility of nuclear war. Traditionally, it was assumed that due to MAD, any nuclear war will escalate into complete destruction. But this need not be so - one can imagine for instance a scenario where one or two cities on either side are nuked, and then one nation surrenders due to intense public resistance to continuing the war. Regardless, if a nuclear exchange does occur, one must also consider the danger of nuclear fallout. It is not sufficient to merely live in a sparsely populated area, you must also be far, far away from major cities or strategic targets (such as missile silos or military bases).

In WW2, for instance, citizens of Switzerland were mainly safe from problem #1. However, they would not be safe from problem #2: If any part of Europe (or even Russia) is nuked, the fallout will surely reach Switzerland as well. On the other hand, South America and Sub-Saharan Africa appear likely to be spared the brunt of a (hypothetical) WW3.

Would Namibia be safe, given its lack of strategic value and geopolitical relevance? What about the Pacific Northwest? What areas of the world strike a desirable balance between being safe from a near future world war, and not being shitholes to live in (eg. South Africa) until that comes?
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71dabc No.83

Part 9: Threat matrix

When the survival of the majority is threatened by an internal or external cause, the elite will act in a manner that protects them primarily and secondarily protects the majority until that majority begins to threaten the elite. Traditionally, at that point in time, the security apparatus is activated against the people and a civil war breaks out. Without outside support, the theory goes, the security apparatus will win.

Should the confrontation continue between the states, and at the current rate things are going that looks to be the case, eventually one or more of them will enter a state of effective bankruptcy. With the missile defense system coming up in 2019-2020, the decision makers in power will have (at least) the illusion of an unpunishable strike [40]. But should the state accept its fate of bankruptcy, as the Soviet Union did in the 80s, it will ultimately face the civil war consequences.

Ideally, a state should hold both options as credible in order to be able to hold the nuclear option as a credible threat against the other states as well as a means to avoid a preemptive war when one of them is cornered and the likelihood of a confrontation goes to 100%.

This dynamic is a problem in the US due to the 1st and 2nd amendments. The public is very well armed and there are enough people who know how to use a weapon such that, in case of any confrontation, they will be able to not only defend themselves but confront those actively putting them or their family in harm’s way. Thanks to the 1st amendment, people can (in theory) be as informed as they want to be about current international and local events, the risks and opportunities they entail. People can be prepared and prepare together without legally facing persecution. Currently, people are uninformed, but the situation can revert to that in the 80s where the anti-war movement was large and vocal.

It is thus important to keep people uninformed about the risks at play, with Obama casually saying he “won’t strike Russia” and no one calling him out for hinting that he can [31]. At the same time, it’s important to demonise the other states in order to set the narrative for the population and keep the threat at hand credible. After all, the US military is composed of the US people and if the elite are seen driving the US people to certain death over nothing but their own survival, the military will refuse — or force them out of power. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

71dabc No.84

continued:

What is the best way to fight back since we have multiple threats, our own and foreign states? If we preemptively “fight back”, it might be just what Russia and China were waiting for. If we don’t, we are resigned to whatever decision the elite make that puts their survival as the primary “win condition” of the game. The best way to fight back is to force ourselves in that win condition. Firstly, we can do so through media, and that isn’t limited to news. Media includes social media, movies, music and video games. The second way is through education, but it’s important to note, the most effective way is to educate the young, not those of our generation or those older than us. This is where we accidentally found ourselves stuck in cogs running the system.

When you look at the big picture it’s not hard to get overwhelmed how things relate to each other. But we have to go through one more step to understand why a long-term project such as social engineering education can be possibly related to war.

[40] http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/05/world/europe/russia-us-missile-defense/
[41] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research-twitter-influence-studies
[42] http://www.wired.com/2011/07/darpa-wants-social-media-sensor-for-propaganda-ops/

71dabc No.85

Part 10: Securing the aftermath

Let’s briefly consider what some might consider to be the best case scenario of the international conflict outlined in the parts 1 to 5. Russia and China fold, they accept all terms and conditions of the western elite. There is a single monopoly of power in the world, with an international surveillance over every human being and censorship to prevent revolts. But unknown to the security apparatus, all of the mechanizations would have worked to serve a dual purpose. The elite have as long as they want to run their social engineering programs and will naturally take a path that serves their interests alone, as established individuals.

A culture destroyed by social engineering would have effectively reduced the risk to the elite to zero and brought them back to a feudalistic scenario that heavily favours the established. Human populations will be treated as they always have been, as nothing more than cattle and the traditional means of controlling a cattle’s (admitted impractically sized) population is implemented. All kinds of insane justifications will be used to commit acts of mass barbarity or pure ignorance, just like in the dark ages, with a new religion based on slave morality (the prototype being SJWism, with the original sin being privilege and the only means of repentance is to listen and believe among other obvious analogies). A brave new world, utopia for the establishment, a hellish dystopia for what will be left of their servants.

In what some others might consider the worst case scenario, the US, Russia or China overstep the other some time after the missile defense shields are up and running. Misinformed about the effectiveness of the ABM system, a leader decides to launch a conventional strike against a high value target, invade a territory controlled by the other state or launch “de-escalation” strikes through the use of tactical nuclear weapons in order to force a peaceful conclusion of the conflict (i.e to get the other side to fold by admitting their bluff). Well before the risk of nuclear war becomes a reality, the elite power base on both sides and their extended families (aka “our best and brightest” as they will be called) will have secured their safety in the form of underground bunkers [44][45][46][47].

The good news is that the majority of nuclear weapons will not even take off from their bases or bunkers, both sides, worried about each other’s nuclear stockpiles rPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

71dabc No.86

FINAL Part 11: Psychopolitics: Weaponising the youth

By the time the ABM system has come up, those who are 11-13 years old today would be the young adults of society, those most able-bodied and generally healthy enough to survive a nuclear war. Should war come later, it would be the younger people, but regardless, all of them would have went through years of CommonCore education promoting authoritarianism [48] and well acquainted with “gamifyied” training processes [49]. These people will be no threat to the elite who will remain safe in their bunkers. They will be as docile as rabbits in a field, perhaps occasionally passively-aggressively attacking others to “check their privilege”. Gone will be their sense of what real privilege is and gone will be the independent though that fails to develop when a child is over-stimulated with psychopolitically designed “educational games” for many hours of a week.

Still wondering how Bill Gates can convince other elites, in a single meeting, about the merits of pooling their wealth together to use it for the “greater good”? He’s just letting them in on the bigger picture and whatever he has said to them convinced them to hand over a huge sum of ill-gotten gains. What could be so important for these scumbags to do so? Does Zuckerberg strike you as an honest individual, for example?

Promoting “social justice” censorship is one of the key elements to force the acceptance of CommonCore and similar programs. It has passed smoothly in Sweden and other eunuch nations, but they knew from the start that America would be a tough nut to crack. That’s why false flagging and media smear jobs are essential to setting the narratives required to force people to act against their own interests. When Five guys burgers and fries was launched, it was hoped that it would be used in the same manner as Rantic media attempted to use the “leaked photos” of Emma Watson during her failed UN speech.

None could have predicted the transition of the five guys saga into #GamerGate. Leak after leak, dig after dig, you all came very close to figuring out what was going on to your hobby. Some were brave and ventured out to see the same pattern repeated in the wider media as Wikileaks recommended you do [50]. This is when the media decided to preemptively attack and smear #GamerGate, which was and still is largely a discussion platform. Essentially, knowing they were playing chess with superior gamers, they flipped tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

71dabc No.87

You might think that they’ve discredited themselves in front of us and in front of logical people, but in the end they’re not concerned about alienating you at all. What they’re concerned about is you halting their program to turn the youth into censorship-loving psychologically-programmed useless time bombs who believe the only “issue” to be concerned about is identity politics and who have been trained to defy their parents and respect authority.

As the plan goes, they will keep #GamerGate alive with media assaults to generate lash-back, just long enough to use it as a justification for the very censorship they require. This achieves another objective as it brings your ability to do anything about the implementation of CommonCore to a halt.

Should they fail and should the public be woken up about the social engineering, importance of video games and CommonCore, they may have a backup plan, I don’t have enough information to see that far. Perhaps they will launch an inter-racial war to keep us busy and weak instead.

Taking a final look at things, the best way to teach, the best way to bond and the best way to entertain a child is through a game. Nietzsche said "Man's maturity: to have regained the seriousness that he had as a child at play". That's why alternatives to "educational" games must be eliminated or polluted until they are unenjoyable, so that the children never grow up. The only "games" that will be acceptable are those that "educate", otherwise it will be childish as "gaming has grown up", an inversion of reality. Who should be in control of that game, the corrupt journalists, the money-grubbing developers producing unchallenging trash to appeal to a larger market, tax-payer funded CommonCore programs or you?

It’s important to note that as well as fighting an external struggle, we must also fight an internal one. We are a degenerate socially engineered generation. We value “individuality” above all and ignore the importance of society and culture at large. We fail to value children as our own future and instead see them as objects of desire, to show off as baby photos to friends, until abandoning them to 12 or more years of brainwashing.

It is through no fault of our own, our parents have failed us and we are placed in the checkmate position today, without prospects of work, without even a bright future to look forward to. Perhaps without even life. But there is still hope and it lies in our childrePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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