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File: 1422250060581.jpg (37.63 KB, 468x340, 117:85, sealand.jpg)

b3f5ea No.13

What previous attempts to found micronations do you know, and how far did they get?

070ccf No.17

Namibia is love. Namibia is life.

b3f5ea No.18

File: 1422251464147.png (918.4 KB, 2000x1852, 500:463, sealand coat of arms.png)

Probably the most famous is Sealand, also shown in the OP pic.

The platform, 12 km off shore, was originally built by the UK navy and decomissioned after WW2. Squatters started using it for pirate radio broadcasts.

In 1967, Paddy Roy Bates declared independence. He scared off some British civilians with warning shots, and managed to avoid trial since British territory technically only included 3 miles off the coast at the time.

They managed to issue passports to 20 or so people. One of these, a German, hired mercenaries to invade Sealand and take hostages, but was defeated and himself taken hostage. At this point the big nations tried to ask UK to intervene, but UK refused for above reason. Eventually diplomats talked Bates into a peaceful resolution.

Although the above technically constitutes de facto recognition of sovereignty, later, maritime law changed and UK territory now includes Sealand, and major nations do not take Sealand's claim seriously (what a surprise). In 2006 there was a fire, and I believe if they had not cooperated the RAF was prepared to storm it anyway. I suspect that as the platform deteriorates, the UK will eventually declared unsafe to live and kick everyone out.

They tried to make money by exploiting tax loopholes and selling memorabilia, but I'm not sure if anything ever came of this. However, all of this got interesting when Pirate Bay announced in late 2006 that they would purchase them to evade copyright law. They predictably failed to collect the several hundred million needed in donations, but spawned a popular shortlived internet community of underage torrenters who earnestly debated all sorts of retarded things like whether there should be a speed limit (yes, for cars, on the tiny 50x25 meter platform).

Since Bates died in 2012, and the more recent attempts of selling it to internet companies never went through, the platform will probably be soon abandoned and demolished by the Brits.

98047f No.19

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva_Reefs#Republic_of_Minerva

The Republic of Minerva was a micronation consisting of the Minerva Reefs. It was one of the few modern attempts at creating a sovereign micronation on the reclaimed land of an artificial island in 1972. The architect was Las Vegas real estate millionaire and political activist Michael Oliver, who went on to other similar attempts in the following decade. Lithuanian-born Oliver formed a syndicate, the Ocean Life Research Foundation, which allegedly had some $100,000,000 for the project and had offices in New York and London. They anticipated a libertarian society with "no taxation, welfare, subsidies, or any form of economic interventionism." In addition to tourism and fishing, the economy of the new nation would include light industry and other commerce. According to Glen Raphael, "The chief reason that the Minerva project failed was that the libertarians who were involved did not want to fight for their territory."[2] According to Reason, Minerva has been "more or less reclaimed by the sea".[3]

98047f No.20

>>17

Kek, you need permanent resident visas for Namibia buddy. The fact that no one on /pol/ had the intelligence to figure this out is the most pathetic part of /namibia/.

The solution to this problem was 'oh we'll just cross the border every 3 months.'

Not one person bothered to look up why that obviously wouldn't work.

b3f5ea No.22

File: 1422253246594.jpg (66.18 KB, 500x363, 500:363, innawoods.jpg)

I also remember some /pol/ ideas related to this.

/pol/ Maine commune

I think this started in 2013. The idea was to create a corporation and make everyone a part-owner, then purchase some land in Maine, build a largely self-sufficient compound and generate revenue by selling things like electricity, R&D services, IT consulting and so forth. Tried to recruit people with a $10k initial pledge, and use these aggregated pledges to get started.

Made a site (http://www.innawood.org/), forum and came up with plans for a bizarre chicken farm that generates power from the heat created by the chickens. Seems to have been imagined as a very libertarian community.

Detroit /k/ompound

Humorous plan to purchase a city block in Detroit and turn it into a stronghold for halfchan /pol/ and /k/ users. Predictably never went beyond a few threads, but remarkably for how hilariously insane the idea was.

Detroit has many houses for sale at $1 (yes, 1 dollar) part of the reason is months' worth of unpaid property tax that you would be getting along with the house. On top of that, the houses are ruins, so it would cost a lot of money to even get back to bare ground. Detroit also has some entertaining laws, which apparently make it very easy for squatting bums to legally take ownership of your property, and make it possible for you to get fined or jailed when squatters injure themselves on your property.
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b3f5ea No.23

File: 1422253821507.jpeg (4.62 MB, 4992x3328, 3:2, tongan marines.jpeg)

>>19
This one is interesting in that not one but two major nations tried to claim them. Amusingly, there wasn't even any land there to begin with, since it was artificially raised by the founder. While Fiji and Tonga were busy ruining everyone's fun, the pathetic pile of sand they were fighting over sunk back into the ocean.

98047f No.48

File: 1422379671220.png (330.04 KB, 553x368, 553:368, rimini-isola-delle-rose.png)


b3f5ea No.60

>>48
>build 11 km off the coast of Italy
>expect them not to start to shit
But still, very frustrating to read about. Nations have essentially carte blanche to make these maritime territory laws, why can't they actually follow the laws they made themselves? It's not our fault that they're full of loopholes. Not even like we can follow the spirit of the law, since its completely unclear what the spirit is (unless it is "no micronations").

I wonder, what would happen if RI continued paying taxes to Italy? What if they were farther away from the coast, where more than one country laid claim, and they begun to argue among each other (not that it did Minerva much good)?

Also, are any oil rigs today far enough off shore to be in neutral waters? What if you were to open a bar on one of them with a similar philosophy?

8684ef No.98

>>22 plz explain this plan - does it involve diving into a large box full of live chickens, because if so count me in!

>where could a sincere and caring individual happen to acquire such a quantity of healty live (and warm) fuzzy dinos?

e5b34c No.107

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>>98

Guy that came up with the chicken silo idea here - it's basically a heat engine that uses the chickens as a heat source and a giant air duct as an amplifier via the stack effect. (someone mentioned innawood.org was mentioned in /col/ from /pol/.)

Math proving it would work is available here: http://innawood.org/Farms/Poultry/


9097d5 No.109

>>107

Ah, there you are. Glad to see you made it, brother!

Whatever happened to innawoods, anyhow? Is it ded?


e5b34c No.110

>>109

It's kind of in the air at this point. Some of us still talk on the irc channel but everyone has moved on to trying to find ways to make money personally or for the project - the few of us left in the channel on a daily/semi-daily basis have been trying to think of a way to raise enough money to build the whole town off and on but recruitment topped out at about 60 people signed up so our hopes aren't high for it getting done. If we could figure out a way to fund it ourselves we could probably have people lined up to join and help actually build the town pretty quickly - but that's probably the only hope of it ever getting built - a purely crowfunded project doesn't seem viable.


9097d5 No.111

>>110

What's the money pot at right now? How many did people pledge, actives/inactives etc?

I've actually been interested in this project for a while, but brainstorming didn't appeal to me so I wasn't active. I was waiting for signs of action I could join in on, but those never seemed to come. I didn't know the IRC still existed.

Not to rudely shill, but please feel welcome to hang out here if you want - projects come and go, but the people who want to get off the ride are always the same ones. Might as well collect them in a place that won't go down when the project does.

Are you still committed to the idea in its original form? As in, the corporate entity and what not? What do you think about alternatives, such as everyone independently buying land in a certain isolated spot and building a community, or /namibia/?


e5b34c No.112

>>111

>What's the money pot at right now?

There's not really any "in the pot" because we never had any intention of collecting money unless we were certain it was going to happen - the signup form is just to get a list of people that we can email when the list hits 1,000 and say "who's still interested in this" then either get started pooling funds and buying land/equipment or go back to recruiting depending on how the numbers look.

>How many did people pledge, actives/inactives etc?

About 60 people.

>I've actually been interested in this project for a while, but brainstorming didn't appeal to me so I wasn't active. I was waiting for signs of action I could join in on, but those never seemed to come. I didn't know the IRC still existed.

The IRC channel isn't under heavy use - I typically idle in there but we've tended to migrate to another channel on the same server every time we take on a new project in an attempt to raise money together - based on the tabs in my IRC client it looks like we're into the third attempted project now.

>Not to rudely shill, but please feel welcome to hang out here if you want - projects come and go, but the people who want to get off the ride are always the same ones. Might as well collect them in a place that won't go down when the project does.

Thanks.

>Are you still committed to the idea in its original form? As in, the corporate entity and what not? What do you think about alternatives, such as everyone independently buying land in a certain isolated spot and building a community, or /namibia/?

Still more or less focused on a corporate structure. Ultimately even with good self-sufficiency we don't plan to be Luddites - more of a techno-Amish community - so we are going to need to trade for some materials like rare earth elements, some scientific equipment that would just be too much effort to produce in a DIY manner, at least until the population were much larger, etc. A rural patch of unclaimed land seems nice in concept, but I think it's a bit overly-idealistic if you don't plan on building a community that is forever shit. The town wouldn't have the resources to overpower even the smallest and shittiest of countries in the world so if anything worthwhile were to be made you would need the protection of a military from an actual country if for no reason other than to avoid pirates or a caravan of third worlders from destroying your work. Since America is the most powerful country in the world and has a long history of allowing corporations more or less free reign it seems the best place. Some people have suggested placed in south or central America or the third world - some on other projects even going as far as trying to work out deals with local governments but realistically it would be foolish to trust a socialist or third world government just as it would be to try to go off without the umbrella of someone big enough to manage defense since the shittier countries have the potential of not seeing you as some shitty little town that keeps to themselves but someplace worth looting.


9097d5 No.114

>>112

>About 60 people.

All pledged? I thought pledging was optional. That's 600k with the very generous assumption that they all mean it, not bad. Of course I know that with these things it's one thing to say on the internet that you'd do it, and another to actually do it.

I myself always wondered about the transitory communities. After all, 10k is a lot of money, and just up and moving in the middle of nowhere (even if the plan is to make it not the middle of nowhere) is a lot of commitment.

But say your project involved that everyone move to location 2 hours drive from Manhattan. Even if it doesn't work out, it's not like you wouldn't have any backup options. Of course who wants to actually live in New York, and all the serious projects require serious commitment. Meanwhile, /pol/ or other imageboard community has never meaningfully organized IRL. One would naturally wonder if such an effort would be bogged down by infighting and personal friction, and what steps need to be taken to prevent that.

So there would be at least a two stage process: Before an actual community, such as what you have proposed, is set up, the interested persons can move into a temporary community. This temporary community would not need to be long-term sustainable and won't try. It won't realize most of the interesting goals that such an effort would be justified by. However it would require relatively small commitment, and would be set up such that members can pull out at any time and not be worse for wear.

Say you organize a few dozen people to move to Concord, NH and rent rooms or flats in the same apartment complex. This accomplishes the goal of bringing everyone in close physical proximity, to the point where some self-government can be established. Obviously you can't violate state or federal law, but when everyone living in a building is "us", there's a lot of potential for creating de facto rules for each other. Perhaps even to the point where minor offenses against local customs go unpunished because nobody reports them. Eg. hanging a Nazi flag on your door would probably not go smoothly in most places, but if everyone in the building is a /pol/ack, whose gonna call the cops?

Again in the same example there is insurance against failure. Say it turns out /pol/acks are shit and the whole idea is doomed. You're still in a decent city in a decent state, you can just find a job, move to a new apartment, and forget about the whole thing. Just moving there to begin with isn't asking that much either, most people these days (especially young men that make up the imageboard demographic) move around a lot anyway.

On the other hand, if this doesn't conclude in horrible catastrophe, and these people are able to coexist for, say, a few years and come to rely on each other in various ways, it is now much less absurd to ask them to commit significant personal assets and move away from civilization for a /pol/ project. Even those unaffiliated with this temporary community will be influenced, because you can tell them "look, we've been doing something similar for years and it worked fine".

I don't see much discussion of this sort of transition stage. People always focus on the final goal. New Siberia wanted you to move halfway across the globe to a foreign country and adopt a rural career (farming and raising sheep in Russian wastes, not exactly a great line on your CV if you end up needing to get a normal job one day). Namibia wanted to move to fucking Africa, build a town, and get entangled in conflict with local government. Even you expect a fairly large monetary and bureaucratic commitment.

Meanwhile, "we're all moving anyhow, let's all move to the same place, how bad could it be?" is much easier a pill to swallow.

>it would be foolish to trust a socialist or third world government

True, but I think any serious enterprise in such places participates in the corruption. For instance, companies that do business in these countries will set aside budget to bribe officials, and many organizations readily collaborate with local criminal networks if crime is dominant. If there was a serious project based in such places, I think these would be the rational things to do.


e5b34c No.115

>>114

Good commentary, but a few points.

The typical pledge is $15,000 so the total thus far (if everyone stuck on) would be $900,000 (actually closer to 1.5m since some have put more down, but again it's been awhile since those guys signed up.) When we've discussed it with people we've suggested saving a bit more than a pledge - ideally double it so if it does for whatever reason fall apart they have something to fall back on - if it does work out they would have spare cash to import things while the internal economy and supply chain was worked out.

Initially it was "lets move innawoods and make a town" - but it grew considerably more realistic over time as everyone involved chimed in with possible flaws about politics, supply and economic logistics, etc. The overall plan at this stage since we're more or less looking at it as requiring a decent source of cash to get going prior to actually starting would be:

-start a local business that makes money and rent or buy a warehouse to work out of while staging orders of construction equipment and building materials

-send out advance parties to start building up temporaryhousing and get farming operations going along with communal structures like a fabrication/milling lab

-keep importing people based on applicable skillsets while building out long-term housing, utilities and growing the farming operations until everyone is there

The closest thing to a living-together condition prior to beginning construction would be maybe a half dozen or dozen people living and working out of the staging/business warehouse in a dual-zoned area that allows it.




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