/compounds/ - The Compounds of Harmony

Several people have asked me to do this. The game is more or less stagnant, with a clear victor (the MTVS) lording it over all other players. It's like the end of a Civ game.

I'm also removing natural disasters entirely this time around.

Are you hoping for a scenario where that doesn't happen or something? Because I can tell you right now with about 95% confidence that that is always going to happen. That said, why does it matter?

Per the above, you may as well just reduce this game to multiple scheduled X month runs after which there will be a reset each time.

>>1881

Hopefully, with a few things to prevent people from accumulating infinite resources, things won't happen the same way. Or at least not as badly.

Seriously, read the other thread. You're the first and only person telling me not to do this.

>>1881

Stormy, have you been paying any attention? The resource market is dead because there are less than a dozen players.

This is because the top 3 players have been constantly destroying all their rivals, as soon as they leave noob week. We tried a rebellion, but their hundreds of millions of resources are insurmountable.

The hope is that after the reset, everyone will be on even ground, and decent people will win, or at least players that have the games', and players' best interests in mind, instead of their own selfish short-sightedness.

The playerbase will instantly triple, at least!~

>>1877
Stuff you complain about:
>+ -irregular- natural disasters with arbitrary negative results to add injury to insult (completely unpredictable and therefore no fun)
Explicitly stated to be removed.

>+ nominally out of the blue resets to correct perceived balance issues (without like a blog or someplace easy to find and read where the definite problems addressed by a reset are stated)
>resets
>Plural
>CLOP is running since December '13, WITHOUT any reset. This is the first, and it would have been needed several months ago, in my opinion. Also, "someplace easy to find [information]": That's what the board is for. It has been the central point of communication since god-knows-when, and nowadays there's less than a handful posts each day, so shouldn't be that hard to read up once in a while.

>+ changing the rules and formulas when he feels like with no more than a vague mention of new features
Since all the changes get implemented at the same time AND during a reset (where people start over, so there's no screw in a running system), I hardly think "as he feels like" is the right expression. And I think admin's still thinking about exact numbers, and will tell us BEFORE Saturday (right, admin?).

>Then there is generally having to deal with changing rules and a guide that's more than six months out of date which links to guide that's also very out of date.
For rules, see above. The guide page hasn't been updated since there haven't been any changes. Same with the longer guide, but that's not admins fault, since he doesn't maintain it. (@Admin: You SHOULD remove the link to my post on the old board, though.)

>Also, the resource market has been kind of dead for several weeks at the least.
What Scarf said. Player motivation across the board dropped since MTVS "won", so a reset will most probably get more people to play again than will drop out. Equalizing everybody is the thing that's needed for this, since else we'd have the same problem right from the start.

>>1881
Actually, I agree. After SOME time, things will probably be similar. But >CLOP existed since well over a year of inflation and power creep before it got that bad. Personally, I think that's a long enough time frame for a game on the internet.

>>1887
This game has taken everyone's innocence. :P

>>1882
>First and only
not so
a reset is a terrible idea

>>1888
Well, now that I'm thinking about it all the actually innocent players ended up having breakdowns and leaving after being betrayed by people they considered to be friends.

It's all very soul crushing if you think about it. Demonizing people who can't defend themselves. Everything that happened with Dreamsweet. Anyone driven by purer ideals tends to fold actually.

>>1883
>incapable of understanding the concept of a surrender
>blames the people he's "sworn to destroy" for constantly killing him

Last I checked the Guild never attacked FFA until the reset was announced and it stopped mattering. You guys stuck your dick in a wasps nest, and when it got stung decided to do it again and again and cry over the pain each time.

@admin
Yeah, good luck with that.

@Sir_Scarf
It's difficult to pay attention when one is living in the RealWorldTM. This board is usually a giant jumbled mess. Also, in my limited experience, FFA doesn't tend to get involved in power struggles.

Who is 'we', pray tell. If we means a relative handful of power players then it's not really an adequate attempt. What constitutes such a valid attempt would be to form a new alliance and have every last non-MTVS player join it. Perhaps you did, but I never heard about and while I am not super informed, I doubt I would have missed such a call to arms, so to speak.

What you are objecting to is someone winning at all, it seems. I have to wonder what your standard of 'decent' really means.

The player base will not instantly triple, except perhaps as a bizarre chaotic consequence of me declaring such impossible. It has always grown in fits and starts. And honestly, tripling from 3 to 9 is different than tripling from 300 to 900

@Schatten

Natural Disasters have never really been 'in' which was really my objection at some level. They weren't enough of a reliable constant to make any sort of planning for. You either prepared and forgot about it or didn't and then at some point it mattered once and then hardly ever again.

I am also counting partial resets (like resource removal), because they are just as annoying and equally out of the blue. As noted above, this board is shitty, shitty place for /real/, /honest/, /truthful/ information. Asking my fellow alliance members would be more effective if I contacted them reliably.

I was referring to past tweaks and change 'in situ', not the impending changes in the coming reset.

Treating the game as singleplayer and quitting when you have it hard doesn't help the other players.

>>1890
>Everything that happened with Dreamsweet.
What happened to Dreamsweet? Do you mean the aftermath of the LoliFucker-War?

>>1893

My standard of decency includes basics, like 'no lying', 'keep your promises', 'don't drive people out of the game', 'absolutely no breaking legitimate rules'….

And 'we' includes all but a few Skype-active players. That's where my rebellion was, and it relied on secrecy more than anything else, so yeah, I didn't tell anyone I didn't know and fully trust. But basically, I did make EXACTLY that 'valid' attempt.

>>1884

And the plan was based on the assumption that Myra was a treacherous warmonger. Which he was. And hated enough for one guy to raise an army of over a dozen empires against him. Cloud checked, Myra had virtually zero active support.

If he wasn't such a warmonger, that had attacked MTVS without cause, then I would be in the wrong. But, since he was a threat to the general welfare and fun of the game as a whole, my motivations were justified.

>>1892

Since you don't know your history, I'll summarize:

Myra attacked THK without cause. That was the original conflict. The forces that rushed to THK's aid were many, since THK could into politics and wasn't a treacherous dick back then. THK survived due to the aid he was given.

Cloud Kicker then gathered support and forces to strike back at Myra, thus NASA. NASA fought Myra to a stalemate, and PIBH brokered a peace deal wherein both Myra and Cloud would ascend before attacking a anyone else.

Myra went to the negotiations fully intending to break that promise. Until then, peace was an option. But Myra betrayed that peace, directly and proudly, and therefore no further negotiations could have any meaning. His promises are worthless.

They never stopped attacking me or the allies of mine that they knew of, you know. Every single opportunity they had, they would strike. Only the secrecy of the SIDF kept FFA from being attacked, and in fact THK did send significant forces at Dovesy, around the time of Schatten's ascension.

>>1901
According to your own definition of 'decency' you aren't a decent person. Well played.

>>1904

>presented generous peace treaty

Permafarming =/= generous peace treaty. There was no way in hell they were going to cease their attacks.

After all, they promised to leave us alone if we conceded. That's proof enough that they had no intention of *ever* doing so.

>threatening anyone that might provide aid to them with retribution

Literally never happened. At all. You're talking out of your ass.

>riled the entire game

I don't have changeling mind control powers. The fact that I *could* get as much support against them SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.

>threatened members of MTVS

If you're talking about Hirohito, he performed completely improper activity checks. We offered him *quite* a lot, but he instead decided that we were being bullies. Despite us never sending any attacks at him at all. Ever.

>plotted to backstab THK

Not me. Nor would it have been a backstab. The plan was *specifically* to respond to potential MTVS attacks against NASA members… which, I might point out, *did* happen. Despite NASA being formed for the express purpose of defeating MTVS' enemies.

>attempted to manipulate players

Leafy was in a two-person alliance, and the other guy went stasis. He was going to be attacked by MTVS, since their reckless expansionism was being directed at many others in similar situations. We tried to explain to him that he was in a dangerous situation, but he didn't listen until he literally had thousands of troops at his doorstep.

>more and more players that otherwise wouldn't have died

Everyone in my rebellion knew the risks. They knew what was at stake, and they volunteered. The SIDF was held together by LOYALTY. I didn't blackmail them, nor coerce them, nor even bribe them. They were there because they knew that the game would die if we lost… which it did. You literally can't deny the game itself is dead.

What the hell is the difference between eternal stasis and graveyard? Or combat ascension, for that matter? THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE.

>>1904
>-tried to use Nasa as a means to facilitate your own dominance
It wasn't so much that we were trying to facilitate our dominance. You see, Myra had become a notorious asshole, and Cloud met us eye-to-eye. Once the conflict was over, Cloud decided to become one of us, and we welcomed him with open arms.

>-Attacked Vinz who had donated resources towards the founding of your alliance
He didn't give us any sort of help at all. It was negotiated, but no resources were given.

>-Threatened members of MTVS
Is it so unusual for people to butt heads?

>-Plotted to destroy MTVS by backstabbing THK
This is irrelevant. It was proven by Myra himself that The Horned King was going to be used as an instrument (along with Aryan) to fight against NASA.

>-Attempted to manipulate players into your alliance
I think you've been beating on this horse for so long, it's turned into glue.

>-ried to get the entirety of the game to war with one player, threatening anyone who might provide aide that them and their allies would all be attacked in retribution
So you'd rather that we let the inevitable happen sooner? Also, tried*

>-Made an ass of yourself when they presented an incredibly generous peace treaty and instead continued to try and create "rebellions" dragging more and more players who wouldn't have died otherwise into the grave
Leaving TKoE in the dust, renaming our alliance, having our description changed to display a Kraut folk song, and killing Scarf isn't what most people would consider to be 'generous.' And as for the rebellion, they would've still killed everyone if we didn't do it. After all, Myrami made threats towards Sephi as he was making a surprisingly quick recovery.

But what do I know? I'm just an anon who doesn't even play the game anymore. It's not like I'm presenting the facts the way they are from an unbiased perspective. At least, as unbiased as any Channer would believe.

>>1903

>no lying

I never lied. Misled, maybe, manipulated, perhaps, hid secrets certainly.

But never lied, nor broke any promises.

>don't drive people out of the game

Haven't done that, never will. If the Guild had lost their empires and the SIDF stood supreme… we would have STOPPED ATTACKING THEM.

>No breaking legitimate rules

Nation-building wasn't against the rules, nor was DNA farming, or speedrunning ascension.

That said, I don't believe my actions have been wholly decent. But they were necessary, and not without precedent.

>>1911

The peace treaty that… didn't happen? Or the one that specifically called for me and TKoE to be continuously attacked and destroyed forever?

>>1911

We could indeed have lived in peace if you *ever* held to your end of any peace treaties.

>>1914

Sorry, I should have asked,

Which peace treaty? The peace treaty that never happened, the peace treaty that I objected to from the start, the peace treaty you never intended to hold to, the peace treaty you were on the losing end of, the peace treaty that gave FotA *literally nothing* except blatantly false promises, the peace treaty that Cloud Kicker held to yet you broke, or the peace treaty that insisted on destroying me and TKoE for all time?

>>1913

>DUMP was never attacked

You idiot, not only was DUMP attacked as *soon* as the CoLC was broken, but they attacked DUMP with enough forces to overflow Schatten's battle report! That wasn't in response to DUMP aggression, that was in response to DUMP *existing at all*! Even Admin himself called them 'assholes' for that.

And individual members in FFA have granted support to the Guild, and individual members in FFA have been attacked by MTVS and Guild. FFA isn't such a tight alliance that they all think alike.

>won't believe anything Sephi says without proof

Yet you believe *everything* that Myra says, with or without proof either confirming or discrediting it. And you disbelieve everything that I say, with or without proof.

>efforts led to even more people being killed off

Our efforts were to preserve the game as a playable concept. They were destroying *everyone*, rendering the game unplayable unless you were a nation farm for THK. And I say again, *everyone* in the SIDF knew the risks and volunteered to fight against the death of the game.

>took an inactive nation before we could

No, that debate has been going on for a LONG time now, and it remains a critical part of the *entire* conflict: attacking inactive nations must be done with MINIMAL forces, so that they have a chance to flash defenders if and when they get online. Hirohito sent over 250 armed and armored troops at a nation with zero standing defenders. That's not an activity check, that is an attack, and an unacceptable one. It proves that he wasn't going to recall his forces, even if that player messaged him and asked him to withdraw.

Activity checks must be done with lone, unarmed units, unless checking a nation with standing forces. They must also be promptly recalled when challenged or they're not activity checks.

>>1914

There weren't any remaining members of FotA. Aryan fully intended to destroy them all, and wasn't going to stop. Period. He also *confirmed* that he intended to destroy all of CoLC regardless of Sephi's actions, and attacked DUMP just because he could.

>>1910

Every member of the SIDF proved, beyond question, that they would die for each other. Also,

>plans to launch an attack

Shows what you know; our plan was to *exist*. We weren't going to attack for *months*, and even then only with minimal pressure waves (in the hopes of a miscalculation or you oversleeping). After all, why should we attack you and give you the defender bonus when you're so willing to give the defender bonus to us? Our objective was to survive your constant attacks while building our economic strength until we could effectively resist a coordinated Guild assault, then offering protection to everyone you were bullying. Or did your source fail to explain what SIDF even stood for? "Shadow Internet *DEFENSE* Force", not "Murder Myra Brigade".

>>1916
>not only was DUMP attacked as *soon* as the CoLC was broken
Schatten was attacked when he activity checked MTVS when Fake Bug blew up his Decentralized again. Because that happens every month or so.
You're spreading disinformation that makes you look good again.

The 120k units sent were completely inproportionate to the activity check in question, but no one was clean in that fight.

>>1916
>And you disbelieve everything that I say, with or without proof.
Oh, I believe the things you say. I also don't mind asking questions, and my memory still works pretty well.
I also now think you're playing the game to manipulate people. Your win conditions aren't the same as Myra's for example.

The issue I have is that I do learn what people are playing for. Myra is actually really relaxed and reliable when people aren't attacking every two hours.
As much as people want to vilify him, PIBH is emotional, caring, and a bunch of other things that I like in a leader. Lolipop likes to fight with information and propaganda.

However, as things stand right now Scarf, you're terrifying me.

>>1917

Oh, actually, I concede that Schatten did indeed send an activity check. Sorry, I had forgotten that.

>Myra is perfectly reliable and relaxed when not under attack

Then explain to me… WHY did he break his word to PIBH? He was left well enough alone. There could have been a lasting peace, but HE broke that. That's not the action of a peaceful or honest person.

>>1919
> WHY did he break his word to PIBH?
Nice Dubs.

That fight had been going on longer than you've been playing the game. In fact, that fight, in it's cold war form kept things from exploding for months on end.
There are so many other players in that game, overtly and covertly. Any peace was unfortunately temporary. Probably because it's ingrained by this point.

>That's not the action of a peaceful or honest person.
I'd like to point out I didn't say Myra was peaceful or honest. I did say reliable and relaxed, which is entirely different.
Myra is really good at burning things down. That's not the only thing Myra is capable of, but one of many things.
One of them is being very good in a fight.

>>1918

The Omega state plan was abandoned. By the time Dovesy leaked what he did, our plans had changed to simpler survival.

>Schatten was attacked months after

Not even a week.

>proved from logs and screenshots

Post them. Especially the time stamps on the Omega state plan, anything I personally said regarding NASA's plan to attack MTVS, and screenshots of all forces sent at MTVS nations.

>multifag nation

Nobody knew that was a multi nation, not Aryan nor Sephi. That Sparks was a multi user is wholly immaterial.

>Honeycomb

Eh, he left long ago. Shame, really, though it is interesting that an anon is accusing him of being a shill.

>swallow pride and accept defeat

Not to a liar. Not to a deal breaker. No promises they can give are worth anything. Even costing one bit from their coffers, or one tick of sugar upkeep, is more than nothing.

>4 nation empire

Rapidmapper burned his empire while under attack from thousands of forces, and was clearly going to be attacked forever as well.

>>1922

It's too late to respond to every single bit of nonsense, but

>admitting responsibility for the first war

No, that was me admitting that the situation with Lise was poorly handled. As I said, I reacted to a mistake as best I could.

Aryan is still quite culpable for sending forces AFTER Leafy was admitted into the Followers.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I'm pro-reset.
In the past 3 months literally nothing has happened (I've been in stasis though), and the game is pretty much dead now.
New round, new chances, and hopefully, new faces. Lots of them.

>>1920
>"Nice Dubs."
>>1919
that's not how you dubs Minty

>>1928
>that's not how you dubs Minty

Have you no love for mathematical sycophancy?

>>1924
>As I said, I reacted to a mistake as best I could.
I'm also wondering why you're not screaming 'my waifu' at this particular anon also. It makes me ask questions that I wish I wasn't.

>>1910
>your sheer incompetency.
You should have seen it from the inside.
Okay, sure, with the Dovesy leak, you did see most of the inside, but still you're missing the decay and ennui reinforced by a weeks of sugar coated failures.

Really, do you know how much damage was done by MTVS not having a defined response to activity checks?

Even it it was something like 100:1 on every unit sent, the message would both be clear and not seen as a rallying cry against your domination of the environment.

Sending over 120k units against one person over two activity checks was insane. Then proceeding to wipe him out after a ascension restart is just obscene.

It's funny how much worse damage eventually became after excessive retaliation. Not in unit counts, but in people willing to throw everything they had away because it became a hopeless situation.

>>1931
In October (?), things started to go awry. First, CK manages to activity check Vinz and Bullet successfully. This was really frustrating for me. Even more so because I couldn't do a fucking thing about this! We wouldn't have been able to defeat CK and his allies (he was part of DUMP) in a war, so I just put a good face on the matter and tried to get them new nations. (Revenge!)
Even Pibb offered his help after I complained about the actions of his alliance member. Offering help was the only thing he did, though. We never received help from him.

Later, Polandball attacked a nation Thamus built for me with 2k troops. I only sent 1k troops to pick it up so he got the nation. He told me that if I want to get that nation back, I have to do this through war. I asked CK if he wants to join me, but nothing really happened.
Thankfully, TyHachi offered to build a nation for me. I conquered his two nations and he created a new one.

Then, shit was hitting the fan. I organized a Nightmare Night for the horse fans of my federal state. Since I wouldn't have Internet for an entire weekend, I entered stasis. Vinz with his fancy tablet didn't do the same, though. He would later choke on his cocktail when he checked his nations, lel. (actually, he puked through a drinking straw into our booze bucket but this didn't have anything to do with the attacks on his nations) :P
Anyway, CK and a bunch of other people attacked him out of the blue. Of course this dampened his mood a bit. He was probably going to lose his entire empire. Half a year of time wasted! Right there I swore revenge! We would either survive or go down together!
I would have accepted a pact with the devil to ensure that these fuckers would get what they deserve. Funny enough, a certain devil offered us exactly this. THK and Aryan offered their help and I accepted. After they became my allies in my darkest hour, I promised to follow them anywhere.
Vinz stasis defended against NASA's waves and then we were waiting it out. My main problem was that I didn't have enough money when NASA attacked Vinz because I just cleared the copper market (I built statues like crazy) shortly before I entered stasis. THK and Aryan weren't ready for a war. They didn't even had all of their nations, let alone enough resources to build weapons. Therefore Vinz and I had to fend for ourselves.
I still had TyHachi's nations and we decided to use them against NASA. I would have never burned them after TyHachi had been so generous to me. Those NASA idiots didn't know this, though. We took them hostage and I talked with CK about how Ty could get them back. My main concern was to be able to leave stasis for as long as possible before NASA would resume their attacks. Dirtopia has had 80 malls (100 built, 20 disabled) at that time and I had to get as much money as possible.
Vinz and I (I don't even know why Vinz was allowed to leave stasis) left a little to early and CK was angry about this. There was nothing he could do about it though, because WE HAD TY'S NATIONS! :D
Ty gave the Burro he originally built for me to THK because I didn't have any use for a new nation in the middle of a war. No one knew that THK was my ally at that time. I claimed that I would give the Burro to THK to make up for my attack on him some months ago.
After THK received the nation, I gave Ty one of his nations back and he sent troops to the other one (48h). Fortunately, Ty messed up (didn't have enough gaso or some shit) and had to send the troops again, which gave us even more time to acquire resources and money.
Anyway, after the ceasefire… ceased, NASA started their attacks on me because I didn't enter stasis. I calculated everything and got up at 5 am to fend off the first wave. Everything went better than expected. During the course of the war I even managed to attack and conquer a nation from a smaller NASA player. The problem was that calculating defenses and building troops is really time consuming and annoying (5 AM, for fucks sake!). I wanted this to stop until THK and Aryan would be ready to join the war.
Fortunately, NASA ran out of resources and tried to convince Pibb to help them. Arrogant as he is, he saw himself as some sort of great savior who would bring peace to the world of Clop. He forced a peace treaty upon NASA, Vinz and me, claiming that he would attack whoever broke the treaty. This was my chance to get some free time and get ready for a counter assault. Vinz managed the negotiations because I didn't have access to Skype. We talked via Telegram and he sent me some quotes and stuff. During the peace talks, CK demanded Dirtopia as some sort of reparation (after he fucking lost the war). This was the final straw, the greatest insult. I swore that I would fucking kill this faggot and all of his supporters.

>>1932
After all those frustrating moments of the last month (activity check on Vinz and Bullet, Polandball's attack, NASA), there was no way I could just accept peace. I wanted retaliation. Just like Scarf wants revenge for the destruction of FotA, I wanted revenge for the mistreatment I had experienced during the LB-War and especially during the NASA conflict.
After Sephi dragged Aryan into a war, this was my chance to get revenge and prove myself to be a worthy ally for THK and Aryan. Since Pibb already joined the war against Aryan, there were literally no consequences for breaking the treaty. If Pibb had stayed out of this, I would have waited until THK and Aryan had destroyed FotA and TCoLC and then we probably would have started a combined assault on Pibb.


Anyway, I got my revenge on Pibb, CK and some of the people who were part of NASA. Everything went better than expected.
It's a shame that because of Pibbs stupid peace treaty CK and Polandball managed to ascend, though. Well, you can't have everything, can you? ^^



I'm sure I forgot lots of stuff I wanted to include in this text, but this shit is already way too long. I have omitted some details I thought nobody would care about. I'm not really sure why anyone would care about this text at all, though.

>>1931
>Mintyrest defended him for a reason I can't remember.
Because constant wars get old, and you had already pushed him from two nations back down to one.

Also he asked for help on the board at the time, and it wasn't too much trouble to send out a few troops.
Also to stop you muhahaha. The BugiPop war messed up everybody on all sides, we're all at least a little damaged from it.

>He attacked pokeranger1215 to get his DNA or some shit.
He was hording Southern Prez DNA and selling it at 20x the fair market price. It's a fair tactic. I did it by taking pokeranger's supplier about a month later with a 2 billion payoff., then I built one of my own once I completed ascension. It was still cheaper than buying it from ranger.

> he was pretty much indifferent
Most of the time.

>>1933
> I wanted retaliation. Just like Scarf wants revenge for the destruction of FotA, I wanted revenge for the mistreatment I had experienced during the LB-War and especially during the NASA conflict.
That's how we keep coming back to the same issues constantly though.

And no, I don't expect any one to just get over it. We've got a pile of emotionally charged people sitting on top of deep emotional scarring. Plus we can't even get vengeance on the people who we think deserve it.
Worst of all we're all being manipulated into doing it by people who only want to use us because we're better at this than they are.

If not for the deeply ingrained rivalries, there's a good deal of synergistic thinking at play.

>>1933

>bunch of words

There's a few things that really stand out, though.

>Assumption that THK was allied with Happiest Merchants
>Assumption

Assumption: You had zero proof, but you attacked him anyway. Look at it from my perspective: you used a casus belli that was based on sheer guesswork, and attacked someone that literally didn't do anything to *anyone*. To the best of *all* possible information, Merchants really was denying you resources by donating stuff to an alliance that cared about new players. (Still annoyed that he didn't donate to FotA, but we were good friends with MTVS back then.) And your attack was *quite* some time after THK got his resources, but almost exactly after his MTVS surpassed AMEP in membership and nation count. It was clear then, and still not entirely out of the question now, that you attacked MTVS to destroy their strongest empire and eliminate a rising threat to your dominance. (In fact, you've just admitted that was exactly what you were doing, murdering THK before he could be a threat to you.)

>Vengeance for Bugfucker

He was a cheater and exploiter. Slave states, equipment duplication, there is no defending him. Even your broken promises aren't nearly as bad as Bugfucker's outright cheats.

>PIBH
>Greedy

Hahaha, no. He has never failed to be generous, in my experience.

>TyHachi

I do remember TyHachi. His generosity is still impressive to me. There was NO way that I was ever going to forgive you for holding his nations hostage. I still don't. I don't care if you're calling it a ruse. No matter what damage control you try, you were a COMPLETE ASSHOLE for betraying him after he did SO MUCH for you!

In case you don't remember, I did *everything* I could to ensure that you would give back the nations. After it was clear that you would never, ever give up your hostages, I apologized to TyHachi and promised to help him rebuild as best I could, since I couldn't get you to leave a completely innocent player alone.

Your taking TyHachi's nations hostage, btw, is when I genuinely decided that you were a terrible person. Helping CK with the NASA conflict was purely strategic, but once you hurt an innocent, that was not acceptable.

>No one knew that THK was ally

Actually, I did learn that, and told the others in FotA. We didn't do anything with the information, nor even tell GENSEC, because we were hoping we were wrong; that he wasn't going to betray those that had helped him in favor of the guy that brutally attacked him for virtually no reason.

>ran out of resources

Not really. Plenty of resources were still available; a lot of them ultimately went to Schatten's defense and the Nova state. I still had half a million gas when I started my speed ascent!

>peace treaty
>just like Scarf

The difference is, I never, EVER made a promise in bad faith. You lied to get Cloud Kicker to ascend, thus eliminating his nations from play, and NEVER intended to hold to your end of the bargain.

(cont)

>>1938
>>1938

>Sephi dragged Aryan into a war

We had been ignoring Aryan and Emperor Hirohito's expansionism and imperialism for a long time. As long as MTVS kept their forces out of FotA, CoLC, FFA or DUMP, we decided to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that MTVS was 'isolationist'. Meanwhile, we were warning all the small players we could about the danger presented by MTVS, and urging them to join an alliance for their protection. Leafy believed that his friends in FFA would be enough to discourage any aggressors, but at that point we knew that MTVS was being quite indiscriminate in their assaults. Sephi (and this was a mistake on his part) told Aryan that Lise was just now out of noob protection, implying (but, importantly, not stating) that he was giving permission to take over that nation. Once I learned that, I decided (and this, again, was perhaps a mistake on my part) to accept Leafy into FotA protection. So we protected him, while fully knowing that this would piss off Aryan. The hope was that THK's rhetoric about "isolationism" was legitimate, or at least that he would be hesitant to risk attacking the FotA directly, as that would cause our friends and allies in CoLC and DUMP to step in and aid us in destroying him.

Aryan attacked Lise with further forces AFTER Leafy was admitted into the Followers, thus proving that the MTVS was abandoning all pretense of isolationism, and was declaring war on their old allies. Therefore, we had no choice but to respond to his rampant imperialism and aggression. Still, we offered plenty of peace options, but the only thing Aryan was willing to accept was complete genocide.

Once YOU stepped in, Myra, that's when diplomacy became a non-option. You broke your word and attacked, thus proving beyond any doubt that your promises are meaningless. Even after Sephi lost his empire due to miscalculation, and disbanded the Followers, the only thing that the Guild offered was your promise that they would not be attacked further. Since you are a genocidal asshole that takes your best friends hostage and ignores promises whenever convenient, it was therefore clear that you were going to continue your attacks. After all, you were getting at least some resources out of every victory, so why wouldn't you keep on killing my friends for their bits? A promise wouldn't stop you, so we weren't going to buy one from you at any price. The only thing that could plausibly stop you was making sure that every victory you had cost more than you gained by the win, so we went into exile, and maintained our resistance.

Originally, we were just planning on transferring out our resources and burning if we couldn't build enough forces to block your inevitable attacks, but once Schatten was attacked, we decided to see what we could do. Turns out we were able to help him stay alive! It was a total miracle, even if he was forced to use ascension to put Alicorns onto the field. We knew then that even THK/Aryan were not infallible, and thus the rebellion began. I started building nations, you kept trying to pre-empt the transfers, I kept winning (you never were able to beat me in that dance. To this day, I haven't lost a nation I did not intend to… and to exactly the party I intended to lose it TO.)

Shame about the continued grudge, really. You clearly intend to continue the war. You can't give up the grudge… And I can't trust you to give it up. Are we destined to do this forever?

>>1935

>manipulated

Minty, as I said, I personally wanted to get into the NASA conflict so that we could defeat Myra, who was *clearly* a dangerous warmonger that needed to be destroyed. Cloud Kicker was going to ascend afterwards, which would have cleaned up two empires that were threatening peace and the general welfare. To the best of my knowledge, they both needed to go (CK for his wanton activity checking and aggression, and Myra for his brutal attack on the peaceful THK). NASA was an opportunity to do that, and PIBH's peace treaty (that both ascend) would have done the job just as well as a NASA victory.

>>1929

>mai waifu

Eh. He's just trying to provoke a reaction, and I have but limited fucks to give. I do appreciate the well-executed image manipulation, though. I have all the base images, so I know where they're from.

>>1939
>>manipulated
>Minty, as I said,

One, I didn't say that you were the only one manipulating. You're not, and you never will be. There's always somebody looking to play internal differences for their own gain. The fact you think that line needs a response from you causes me to worry even more than I already have been the last few days.

Two, you've been manipulating people's internal differences for your own gain. It doesn't matter what 'Greater Good' you may have been working for. In this case, it was for a FotA lead society. Who's to say what it is next time?

You're being sneaky and underhanded. The difference between a gray hat and a black hat is when they let other people in on what they've found out. And you've got all the ear marks of a black hat at the moment.
Your current ethics are questionable at best, and your goals seem focused on getting people to follow you blindly.

You can pretty up the words all you like, but right now all I can see that you wanted to use CK the entire time, you never had real plans to communicate with Myra, and PIBH was just a means to an end.

You've been trying to recreate the Illuminati from step one, and you're willing to lie to or abuse anyone who can help you get there.

Three, no one ever thinks they're the bad guy. Everything they do is justified, everyone they're fighting is terrible, and anything that will succeed is worth doing.

Do you really want to live that way?

>>1942

Question: Are nation *transfers* banned? Specifically, if you have a nation in your empire that you don't want to keep. Are you allowed to have someone attack that nation to move it to their empire?

>>1945

I'm thinking about this. Possibly I'll only make the rule apply to your last nation.

>>1942

Oooh, I had missed this:

>Anyone who has not logged in for 72 hours will automatically be put in stasis.

BESTMIN~

This is so perfect :D

In celebration, I'm going to offer everyone a brohoof:

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Don't leave me hanging :3

>>1942
Mind if I ask what prompts the deal limit? It's eventually going to be annoying to send multiple deals. Which you can do at the same time anyway

>>1942
>You may not intentionally destroy your own nation.
Does this include destroying buildings before the nation's taken over, or shipping out resources to your allies?

>>1949
>>1942
What about rerolling?

>>1948

I just don't want to do either of two things:

- Make it trivial to hide too much stuff from the tax algorithm
- Do something unintuitive that players won't quite get

>>1949

This kind of thing is allowed. It's just not allowed to sacrifice/give away your last nation just to get another one to do it again.

Nations aren't a commodity; you must pay the iron price for them, not the gold.

>>1950

I suppose you can kill yourself if *nobody* benefits.

>>1951
This is good players should not become powerful simply because they have a endless stream of possibly multi nation farmers
>Ayran
But what about conquest loot-sellers that time THK/Ayran burned countless nations was retarded

>>1953

I think I'm going to allow this, actually. If you conquer a nation, you can loot and burn it for your own benefit.

>>1954
What about selling a conquest for quick cash?

>>1955

I think I'm going to allow this, too. It's just the abuse of nation creation I'm worried about; people giving away/overloading nations just because they can get another one.

>>1942
>>1942
>You may not intentionally destroy your own nation.
Why not make a mechanic for this rule?
You could put in a button that responds any nation after its death, provided that you were attacking it at the time of death with 1k+ units.

>>1957

I think I'm going to make this happen for *any* amount of attacking units, actually.

>>1958
If you do, players may abuse it by keeping 1 or so units attacking each other at all times.

>>1959

What would that accomplish? If someone was going to die of sat, they were going to do that whether or not they are attacked by one unit or not.

>>1961

If it's your last nation, it's a violation of rule 4. If it isn't, then it's a waste of upkeep…

>>1961

Hmm… then again, it would allow a nation to potentially survive past the uprising limit, even if for a tick.

The thing is, it would be quite obvious faggotry and immediately reported to Bestmin. Squish.

Good luck post-reset, everyone. goodbye.

@Sir_Scarf
That misspelling there…. tsk, tsk. The name is badmin or perhaps supreme dictator.

>>1965
Good bye Stormy ;(
>>1958
Admin will you be putting stuff up on the market post reset?

>>1954
>>1966
Maybe some buy offers as well?
Sugar and cupcakes will be needed very badly.

>>1966
>Admin will you be putting stuff up on the market post reset?
>>1967
>Maybe some buy offers as well?

The market will correct itself.
Eventually.

>>1969

Yeah, and Admin was going to lower the minimum sat for rebels significantly. That should ease the early sugar pains… of course, nearly everypony is going to roll a burrozil, so I'd expect OIL to be a bit tight in the early game.

>>1961

Hmmm. One possible solution: the ponies recognise that they're being led by the same idiot who gave them such trouble last time, and instantly lose a massive pile of Sat, possibly going right to auto-Massive Uprising.

>>1957
If nations are lost by rebels or uprisings, they could turn into 'free nations'.
Attacking troops would continue to attack. Anyone can send troops to a 'free nation' and after 7 days the nation vanishes if no one managed to conquer it.
If the nation is younger than Age 21, it would vanish instantly, of course.

>>1942
I think the alliance storage in Compounds is a really nice concept. Could we get the same for Clop?

Oh, and how about making Przes the only nations that can produce parts? That would encourage players to trade and work together even more.

>>1972

I've actually decided not to do this; there's not a lot of point. -100 is enough of a safety margin for new players.

>>1978
So, rebels are now at -200?

>>1982

No, still -100 as before.

>>1974

This sounds… worth a try, perhaps?

>>1975

Przes make parts at such tremendously low prices that they are virtually free~

If someone needs parts desperately enough to shell out 10x the bits, well, they're allowed factories, no?

>>2003
no :P

>>1942
>Taxes
Will having multiple nations expand the tax threshold? And if so, by how much?

>>2013

Each nation has its own taxes.