/compounds/ - The Compounds of Harmony

Ok, this is news to me. I'll look into it right away!

Update: That was a corruption attack only. Pretty harmless, so no need for immediate war; we can talk this over. Meet you in Skype?

>>2304

> Pretty harmless

Subjective Statement

>>2306

In the future, may I suggest sending messages beforehand, if you just want to try out things? That way, a test can be arranged, all parties know about it, and no bad blood is had. I even made a few posts about this (a few weeks ago).

May I ask if you learned anything of note? >>2307 shows that bugs were found; maybe you can contribute something, too? I'd be interested in how long a Corruption attack takes to land, for instance.

A tentative peace accord has been reached. As soon as Minty and TKoE sign off on it, reparations will start coming in.

Peace in our time~

>>2314

OR!

Or, and hear me out here… this was nothing more than someone acting outside of the orders of their subordinates.

>>2320

>this was nothing more than someone acting outside of the orders of their subordinates.

Well, I'm sure of THAT.

Unless you meant superiors, which is funny because it means you used an antonym for the word you actually wanted to use.

To explain the current state of the peace accord would have to relate to the current negotiations. Which are on hold temporally for a difference in opinion.

The first offer from LBoS was to just let this blow over with an apology, because it wasn't a real attack. That was not received well at all.

The first counter offer from the Cauldron was a punitively sized reparations package that would discourage future attacks of any sort while completely covering all losses on our end. We were high balling definitely, but that was the intent.

The second offer was argued down to LBoS paying damages incurred by the attacks in question. This was gaining approval until individuals involved disagreed with paying for redirection actions used to deflect incoming attacks.

Now we're here, and now you know what I know.

>>2321

Superiors, yes. That's what I meant. I'm very tired.

Thank you all very much for attempting to viciously destroy one another and reporting what went wrong when you did. Several bugs and missing features have been patched.

>>2333

>Refused to pay damages

We AGREED to pay damages, and to my knowledge were working on it until now.

>Easily six

Didn't we agree on 3? And a 9 minute wait.. May well be a bug, or lag, I suppose. >Bluhtsturm not feeling guilty

Bluhtsturm has been very guilty in our alliance chat.

How exactly will this war end? We can't wipe each other like in >clop.

>>2335

>a bug or lag being responsible for a nine-minute delay in attacks

No. If Bluhtsturm actually did experience these bugs he ought to send me something.

In general, please, please don't use "the game messed up" (especially when there really were missing features that needed to be coded in) as a public excuse when doing war, as it confuses the living hell out of me when I read them.

>>2336

Seriously, we have no idea why that delay happened. It was a genuine accident. This isn't any intentional war, and i'll PM you in game to that effect, so you can see that i'm not making excuses.

>>2337

>rejected the last two offers

Lies. I am genuinely disappointed that you would say that.

The second offer was never rejected. The discussion was *explicitly* postponed… And without any word, you left the chat and launched an attack.

Attacking during negotiations is a TOP TIER dick move.

>>2349

Minty.

>>2351

>>2352

>>2353

These are the last things said in the chat.

You yourself proposed a postponement of the negotiations, and agreed that neither side would act until the matter had been discussed further.

TKoE let you know that he had only limited availability, and invited YOU to tell HIM when we could continue.

Dark Vessel and I BOTH agreed that your terms were reasonable, and that we were ready to start sending the resources as soon as you and TKoE finalized it.

As soon as Dark Vessel said that, YOU LEFT THE CHAT AND ATTACKED. Nothing about continuing the chat at an arranged time, nothing about demands, nothing about new attacks, nothing about new evidence, no allegations of any kind.

It literally went from

[9:14:40 AM] Dark Vessel: Sounds good.

to

[9:55:38 AM] MintyRest has left

>added you into the chat with no warning

You don't want to be included in diplomacy?

>proceeded to tell me my records were wrong

There was doubt on all sides regarding the actual damage caused. Still, we mutually determined that there were 3 or at most 4 attacks. 2 were redirected with Heroism, one or two were absorbed with Serenity, and 2 were definitively redirected with Malice.

>my partners incapable of tracking their own progress

No, that was Myrami telling me that I had a mental disorder. Which I ignored out of politeness.

>and why we should bear the brunt of your personnel mishap

Literally was never said, implied, meant, or in any way communicated. The closest thing would be…

[4/19/2015 8:21:30 PM] TKoE: I'm happy to pay for Sturm here being an idiot

Where TKoE specifically said the exact opposite.

In the interests of full disclosure:

http://pastebin.com/2UhWsh5k

>>2358

>Translates to "We don't want peace at all".

If you wanted peace so bad, why would you attack people? That seems counter logical.

>Sir Scarfalot: we're offering to pay for 100% of the damage

And then you didn't. TKoE was not happy with the arrangement, and we agreed to take a few hours (Hours, not Days) to cool heads.

>Translates to "I don't agree to those terms."

Don't see how quoting yourself before your leader shoots it down really applies.

> Translates to "Attacks will be sent in 12 hours."

Heads were allowed to cool for twelve hours.

They did not. Now we're here.

It's not like there's single hatred going on here. Any time you produced a counter offer, I went back to my council of trusted peoples, and we discussed. That deliberation that I mentioned?

The majority feels that you were too slow, showed no intention of following through, and with that last section you're skipping as to what TKoE is not willing to pay for defenses, retribution is perfectly reasonable.

If you didn't want there to be a war, why did you pussyfoot around being penalized for attacking?

If you want to say I didn't want peace, please scroll to the top of this thread. I created this thread because I thought we had peace already. It didn't need to be said, because there was no one attacking anyone.

>>2314

You knew that Compounds is by it's nature an unstable element. You knew everyone was prepping for a war, waiting for a single igniting incident.

Why didn't you stop it?

How did Sturm even get 600 corruption, let alone the 1500 he would possibly need with out anyone being tipped off by it?

Corruption is currently a neutral element. If he didn't use it, it would have safely burnt away.

But he didn't, he had to 'try out' launching attacks against Myra. Not one, not two, at the very least three and possibly five. To do that much, he would need help.

And then he lied to me about how many attacks were sent, and when he sent them.

You can see for yourself, no lag or bug would make one double click show up 9 minutes later. That's intentional.

>>2361

[4/19/2015 8:29:11 PM] TKoE: Let me know when you'll be ready. Preferably in advance if possible. Sorry but I'm stupidly busy lately

Unless I'm very, VERY much mistaken, that is an invitation for YOU to set the time that we continue.

You didn't follow through on that at ALL!

Also, TKoE is showing considerable trust right here. It's a dangerous admission to say that you're not as active as you could be, because that is a vulnerability. One doesn't divulge such information if one is intending to go to war.

>Don't see how quoting yourself before your leader shoots it down really applies.

[4/19/2015 8:21:30 PM] TKoE: I'm happy to pay for Sturm here being an idiot

Timestamps confirm, TKoE was willing to cooperate.

>skipped section

[4/19/2015 8:21:45 PM] TKoE: Not so happy to pay for whatever idiot redirected the attack

That's not a "no". That's a "I'm really not happy about it". Also a "Let's continue to discuss this".

>Heads were allowed to cool for twelve hours.

>They did not. Now we're here.

Trips confirm IC aggression.

LBoS did NOT make a single hostile or even QUESTIONABLE action after the initial 3-5 Corruption attacks. Which Dark Vessel, TKoE, Sturm and myself were willing to apologize and pay reparations for.

>too slow

12 hours offline is hardly unprecedented. TKoE could hardly be expected to clarify, or pay reparations, or make agreements while he was ==ASLEEP==, was he? Or at his JOB? Yes, it turns out he DOES have a job. I'm the autist no-lifer, other people have shit to do!

>corruption stockpiles

In the alliance bank, prepared to be used against Progress Engine. Y'know, our old enemies? It was there, and then kinda stayed useless after they permastasis'd. There wasn't any way to turn that shit into Drudgery, so it would have eventually been used for Harmony.

Strum asked for bank access, and (as 1000 times before) was granted give and take access. I had thought he was just dumping his spare magic and/or taking the spare Loyalty/Generosity etc. that I put in regularly. This is all very routine.

Instead, he took the Corruption stockpiles and then used them. He had permission to take stuff from the bank, but was never given permission to launch any sort of attacks. That was wrong of him, and we apologize for his actions. Again.

>>2358 >>2363

[4/19/2015 8:21:30 PM] TKoE: I'm happy to pay for Sturm here being an idiot

[4/19/2015 8:21:45 PM] TKoE: Not so happy to pay for whatever idiot redirected the attack

[4/19/2015 8:23:21 PM] MintyRest: If there was no attack, there would have been no redirect.

[4/19/2015 8:23:29 PM] TKoE: Not my problem

Hostile answer which translates to: "We're not paying for the entirety of the resources we cost you."

>>2364

[4/19/2015 8:24:26 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I'm personally on minty's side on this one, we are liable for the redirect cost.

[4/19/2015 8:24:44 PM] MintyRest: Well that's fine. You're not in charge Scarf.

[4/19/2015 8:25:45 PM | Edited 8:26:13 PM] MintyRest: It's reasonable to say that parties are unhappy with this agreement as is.

[4/19/2015 8:26:16 PM] TKoE: Any suggestions on ways to improve the parties happiness minty?

Cooperative response, translates to "Well, we're open to further discussion".

>>2365

[4/19/2015 8:24:26 PM] Sir Scarfalot: I'm personally on minty's side on this one, we are liable for the redirect cost.

[4/19/2015 8:24:44 PM] MintyRest: Well that's fine. You're not in charge Scarf.

Translates to: "Scarf thinks he has final say in the negotiations when he really has no power."

[4/19/2015 8:25:45 PM | Edited 8:26:13 PM] MintyRest: It's reasonable to say that parties are unhappy with this agreement as is.

[4/19/2015 8:26:16 PM] TKoE: Any suggestions on ways to improve the parties happiness minty?

Translates to: "I'm not paying what you want me to, so ask me for something worth less than that and maybe I'll consider it."

Those being the minimum acceptable terms… well, can't go lower than the minimum.

>>2366

You couldn't wait longer than 12 hours to even DISCUSS it?

You aren't willing to take a day off to even give us a CHANCE at giving you… y'know, "all [you] ever wanted. Nothing more, nothing less"?

Also, your quote…

>Any suggestions on ways to improve the parties happiness minty?

seems to be asking… if Minty has any suggestions on how to make a mutually agreeable deal?

So hostile. Much warmongering. Terrible diplomacy. You're absolutely right, attacking LBoS as a whole is absolutely the correct response to such an insult.

>>2367

[4/19/2015 8:25:45 PM | Edited 8:26:13 PM] MintyRest: It's reasonable to say that parties are unhappy with this agreement as is.

[4/19/2015 8:26:16 PM] TKoE: Any suggestions on ways to improve the parties happiness minty?

Translates to "Surely there's room for alternatives", not "no".

>>2369

I disagree. Looking from this end, it translates to "You're not getting the suggested peace deal, so you'd better start thinking of a different one." Which as you know, wasn't going to happen.

>>2370

>Oshit, Minty is being painted as the bad guy. Oh, I know how to save the day! I just need to join in on the nit-picking sessions and outnumber Scarf!

Get the hell off the board.

>>2371

>Implying Minty needs help making Scarf look bad

You'd better get used to it, because you're stuck with me now~

>>2370

And launching attacks instead of saying that is of course the proper course of action.

Nice tripcode

>>2373

Honestly, I think he was fed up with all the wishywashy responses regarding his concerns about the attacks, along with the breakdown of diplomacy half a day before when everything looked promising. "Don't blame us, it's admin's fault" was /really/ not the right thing to say when talks resumed.

Thanks <3 I'm not sure if I wanna keep it yet.

>>2375

"wishywashy responses"?

[9:14:40 AM] Dark Vessel: Sounds good.

[4/19/2015 8:21:30 PM] TKoE: I'm happy to pay for Sturm here being an idiot

[4/19/2015 1:12:27 PM] Sir Scarfalot: well, fair enough

[4/19/2015 8:27:44 PM] MintyRest: A few hours to cool down would be for the best.

[4/19/2015 8:28:12 PM] TKoE: Sounds acceptable. No action from either side till then then?

[4/19/2015 8:28:28 PM] MintyRest: That I can agree upon.

so wishy

much washy

very inconsistency

>talks resumed

No they didn't, we were all waiting on TKoE.

And even if they did,

[9:14:40 AM] Dark Vessel: Sounds good. (referring to the peace deal)

is the last thing said. Before Minty left.

>>2379

>5 Corruption attacks *at most*

>mass unloading

Minty, why is it that you cannot into proportion? We have an alliance bank that can hold 1300 of anything. And we've been hoarding weapon compounds in preparation for a possible war with Progress Engine. IF this were a 'mass unloading' event… You'd be seeing mass unloading. And a lot of it. All over your face.

We haven't even retaliated, because that's how much we'd prefer the possibility of peace.

>Then you did not want to even pay for resources used.

How many TIMES. Nobody said "no"!

>quite happy to go overboard

….. Don't go there, Minty. Don't allow yourself to be consumed by vengeance and hatred.

We both know where that leads.

Just don't.

>>2379

>And especially Myra

As I thought. The true reason you're housing Myra is because you're on his side, and though you are the leader, you let yourself become one of his pawns and you let him get the most pull over the alliance. You're nothing more than a face.

>>2380

Whoa… Looking at this post from the main page is glitching me out. Specifically, when I click the "this post is too long, click here to expand" it randomly greentexts and duplicates itself…

I don't even know if I'm explaining it right, but I can't get a proper screenshot of the phenomenon.

>>2381

Let's give this the benefit of the doubt for at least the moment. We can calculate the damages, and continue the work towards peace. Minty has been a reasonable person in the past.

I really hope that it isn't ONLY in the past.

>>2383

Heyyy, you got the screenshot I was looking for! Well done! I wonder what caused that?

>>2384

Fuck if I know. But I think I experienced the same thing with Myra's post. But without the greentext. Specifically this one: >>2361

Do you perhaps use Google Chrome?

>>2380

It may be easily taken out of context, so I'm going to say it right now:

LBoS has not retaliated. We will not retaliate at this time. Until further notice, anyone in LBoS that sends any new attacks will be disciplined and/or kicked. Any attacks in violation of this policy are the responsibility of the rogue player, not the alliance.

And yes, I have the permissions necessary to kick.

>>2390

A redirection isn't a retaliation.

I did say NEW attacks.

>>2390

Also, hi there THK, how are you doing? You're not in Infinity Cauldron.

Thanks for being an eligible target for our redirect. Now go back into permastasis..

>>2387

Ground control to Maaajor Toooom~

>>2392

Ah as usual upon feeling you have any semblance of power you quickly start trying to enforce your will upon others. Those of differing opinions or beliefs can not be tolerated of course, not when you have the ability to remove them. How typical.

Don't worry though I'm only out to give all of the resources I still had sitting around to Myra, thanks to this happening though I suppose I'll have to get Draze to leave stasis and give them the entirety our alliance banks contents as well.

>>2395

Not a word of that had any semblance of meaning towards my post you're aware yes? I suppose you don't care though you do oh so enjoy reading your own posts.

I bet admin is having a field day with this right now.

>>2387

>2015

>not sending 125 thousand troops

Well that's because the events I refer to happened during the summer of 2014, when 500 troops was still a big enough deal to matter, and more than a few times.

The 125k troops landing had less impact than 500 troops in motion, because the numbers on the multi thousand attack reached so high, the primate brain simply can't rationally think of the event as more than a single blob anyways.

It was a week of non-stop mindless pounding, which drew no real change in reaction past day one. Every one just kind of strapped in and waited for you guys to get bored.

>>2397

>I bet admin is having a field day with this right now.

Yup.

>>2415

>a payoff in >CLOP for being an asshole in Compounds

>>2441

Seriously? You've lost it mate.

Neither I nor anyone I have authority over ordered any attack against you. I didn't even know about these attacks till you told me it'd happened.

I say again. This was not a preplanned event. Anyone who can provide evidence to the contrary should hurry up and do so so I can kick the asses of those responsible.

In the mean time. Take a teaspoon of concrete and harden the fuck up. K?

>>2468

> You've lost it mate.

I lost it a long, long time ago.

I mean, not three weeks back I was actively asking people to stop my paranoid ramblings. Actively. I was having a paranoid episode, and I just wanted one person to tell me I was just being crazy and baseless.

It would have been really nice had anyone told me I was losing it back then. Then I wouldn't be here, would I?

>This was not a preplanned event.

Look at it from my point of view:

>>2333

- Attack on 4/19 12:00, 4/19 12:09

- Democratic council takes offense and wants to counter strike immediately.

- Peace Talks show signs of no actual punishment, resolution, or end.

- 4/20 10:00 am attacks begin.

- Attacking agent creates new CLOP country

- 4/22 midnight previous attacks resolve.

- 4/22 1pm, Attacking Agent has well developed new country.

It seems, from the outside looking in, that the person that tried to set off a war was rewarded in the sister game.

Considering talking for peace was almost exclusively with the current leaders of CLoC and FotA, it's kind of hard to keep those two separate.

>Take a teaspoon of concrete and harden the fuck up. K?

If you want me to stop acting like a paranoid schizophrenic, you're really going to need to stop acting like there's something going on.

Seriously, I asked my group if we wanted to ceasefire, and we do. I also later asked them if we wanted to formalize the ceasefire, and we really don't.

There's voting and ballots and discussion and everything. I just make try to keep all the functions running and make the whole blob operate smoothly.