No.2417
We've had threads that only brush upon the truth eating at the heart of Clop. I've started this one to address all of the things that need to be said. Already we had the game conquered by the shadowy elite who seek nothing less than absolute subjugation once again. Think of the thread as a newspaper where I and those who share my views can discuss, for all to see, the backstabbing and plotting that goes behind closed doors.
For the first post, I'd like to discuss the dangers of a hyper deflated sugar market. With sugar at 1k a piece makes being a burro complete suffering. Others have grown wealthy by hardly having to worry about it at all, look at the top GDP producers. In a single turn they could buy up the entire 1k stock of sugar and yet they keep it low.
How will burros defend themselves when war starts? Do you not wonder what will happen when the most powerful already get their own pet Burros to wring every ounce of sugar? The game will be over before it even begins.
Who stands to gain the most by sugar being low? Already we are seeing a few standouts rising to the top. Are the villains of this game setting up a checkmate for themselves, smug that in early game 1, or 2 nations can prove unstoppable?
Feel free to post your own theories, observations and quests for the truth. This game could be made fun for all, not for the few. Do not fall within the old patterns of thinking, freedom is yours for the taking.
Signed,
X
No.2419
ITT: Butthurt burros who don't know how the free market works
No.2420
>>2419
How free will you be when sugar is bought out and the opposition has to wait tick by tick for the pittance to come through?
No.2421
>>2417
>Thread complaining about a lack of balance due to friendships
>implying burros cant use sugar and coffee to make troops
No.2422
>>2421
I'm only questioning the established order. Why are you so afraid of these 'friendships' being discussed? Who are your friends?
No.2423
>>2422
>Why are you so afraid of these 'friendships' being discussed
Im not afraid of said discussions, just wondering why you seem to think they're so unfair when a good portion of the game is based around it
No.2424
>>2423
Fair has nothing to do with it. But it's about whether you're in the club or not, and most people aren't. Those without megalomaniac delusions in this game deserve better.
The quickest way to upset the power balance is to uncover the truth. That is my simple goal.
No.2425
>>2424
If people want to get into the "club" all they gotta do is just ask to join, i know for a fact that alliances still accept people
No.2426
>>2425
How uninformed you are if you think that being a part of an alliance let's you into the 'club'. There are multiple secret alliances in this game who actively plot against the player base. The most you can hope for it to become a pawn in the puppetmasters dance.
No.2427
>>2426
I tip my aluminum hat to you sir
No.2428
>>2426
>There are multiple secret alliances in this game
They aren't so secret when you get to know who's playing and their history with one another
Alliances are merely gateways into the subfactions of the game, although at this point it might be wise for players who were never in it to stay out of it.
No.2429
>>2419
>For the first post, I'd like to discuss the dangers of a hyper deflated sugar market. With sugar at 1k a piece makes being a burro complete suffering.
It isn't that bad. Yes profits are low, but sat is never and issue and it allows you to server more as support until demand rises when people build TnC. Yeah it sucks not selling sugar now, but later when demand rises it'll get better.
>Others have grown wealthy by hardly having to worry about it at all, look at the top GDP producers. In a single turn they could buy up the entire 1k stock of sugar and yet they keep it low.
No one is obligated to sustain the sugar market mate. I mean we can ask admin, but if he feels it isn't needed then you're just going to have to wait and I mean why would they rise the price? I mean in every way imaginable low sugar prices benefit them by making sat cheap and allowing them to build more buildings. Eventually those buildings will have a rising demand and need more sugar and by then the market should start to clear up a little.
>How will burros defend themselves when war starts?
Pegasus and Calvarly. Also there's a thing called alliances which can help fund you. Heck Burros have an advantage in terms of their likely sugar and coffee stockpiles allowing them to have more freedom with buildings, troops, and sat usesage.
>Do you not wonder what will happen when the most powerful already get their own pet Burros to wring every ounce of sugar? The game will be over before it even begins.
No it won't. Its waaaay to early to be declaring a winner or someone who's ahead. This game took over a year to be decided and to reach stagnation. With nations even harder to obtain, it'll likely take even longer.
No.2431
>>2426
It sounds like you chose the wrong master.
No.2433
>>2432
oh man I remember when those Bloc fags tried to do this with oil.
See the issue is that the lower peons are so distrusting of one another that it is easy for the elite to keep them down.
Not to mention that people wont exactly be going off telling on who their buyer was.
No.2434
>>2433
Old enough to remember Baldwin and his CLOPEC, huh? Who would this oldfag be?
No.2435
>>2434
Just someone commenting. No one of note really.
No.2436
>>2417
Fuck off Scarf! The 'shadowy elite' will wipe the floor with you, no matter how hard you cry on the board.
No.2437
>>2428
>although at this point it might be wise for players who were never in it to stay out of it.
Yeah, staying out isn't a great defense tactic at all.
The established groups have more of an open season point of view on drifting nations owned by people not associated with an alliance. It makes the agreements tricky, reinforcements less of an option. It's a bad trip for everyone when people start trying to defend stand alone nations.
You really should look over the board, read the available information, and try to join a group that you agree with. Or send messages and ask questions.
The subfactions are real, and there are very few safe places to stand really.
>>2436
>Fuck off Scarf! The 'shadowy elite' will wipe the floor with you, no matter how hard you cry on the board.
Scarf makes enough friends normally to make this kind of silly. I mean, why would he try forcing sugar prices up via cult of personality, while not using his personality?
Sure, it kinda looks like he used a player to bait me into attacking him, then trying to establish the degree of my control of TFC (which I don't have) to the degree of influence the guild has on IC (which is democratic, so lulz)…
Can I get one of those tinfoil hats please? They seem both fashionable and functional.
No.2438
>>2437
>Scarf makes enough friends normally to make this kind of silly
It's not about Scarf having no friends (on the Internet) at all.
He just realized that he has way more enemies than friends. Last time it only took 3 players to wipe his alliance out. Now there are even more players who want to see him dead.
>why would he try forcing sugar prices up via cult of personality, while not using his personality?
This isn't about sugar prices. It's about exposing the "shadowy elite". I'm pretty sure he's talking about the guild, but that's just my guess.
No.2442
>>2417
You're jumping at nothing.
The market for sugar is not artificially low, it's a direct result of Burrozil being by far the most populated region.
No.2444
>>2442
You're doing a lousy job of impersonating Pibb.
He would never tell other people to calm down when they behave like paranoid sperglords.
No.2445
>>2444
Considering this problem resolves itself
Too Many Burros; Burros Die; Reroll the SA or Zeb
There's really no reason to panic. There are literally a truckload of Burros willing to do anything to get rid of sugar. Very desperate people willing to do anything to stay alive.
It's very self correcting.
No.2447
>>2442
I thought that you were banned from the board.
No.2448
>>2445
>Considering this problem resolves itself
>There's really no reason to panic.
Panic for panic's sake
No.2449
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>>2447
Twice, for speaking my mind about Admin's lack of professional neutrality.
No.2454
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
>drama
>conspiracy
>someone unironically claiming the name of 'X'
>sugar market
>shadowy booga-booga
>wealthy elites
>rabblerousing against wealthy elites
…..
>I'm a wealthy elite
No.2457
>>2454
I agree, it's the perfect alibi. There's no possible way you could have known beforehand that people would suspect you, and therefore devise a plan to craft a reason to argue against your own implication.
That would just be silly.
No.2458
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No.2460
>>2454
>I'm a wealthy elite
Yeah. I'm pretty sure you're not really. You've got Science Woona blowing holes in your production/profit numbers, you're investing your gains in people who try to start wars, and you've stated on your own that you started a Mall without the ability to sustain one 12x7.
You've got good GDP numbers, but you're also sprinting in a marathon.
No.2462
Hello Clop. I can see that my first postings have caught attention. It's clear that we are hungry for change, and those at the top fear such a change. I will continue publishing this attempt at finding out the rotten core of clop, and making as much of a change as can be done.
One truth seeker in this thread brought up a good point, >>2437 regarding those poor lost, lonely souls adrift without an alliance. I observed in the past game many times a practice that was obliquely tolerated in even the most friendly cliques of clop. That of 'activity checking' and aggressive expansion through conquest.
The powerful elites do not care for your enjoyment, and they will easily look the other way for the sake of expansion. That's all too obvious, it's that way in real life. But why should it be tolerated? Where is Clop's UN? If an alliance wanted to win the moral highground they could declare rightaway that any unchecked invasions cannot be tolerated. And yet, silence.
How much say does an alliance member have regarding their leadership? Where is a true democratic alliance? Do your leaders have your best interest at heart? Why not send a PM to Hachi, Dovesy, Dark Vessel or The Horned King and see what they think about a possible parliament or congress in the alliance. Do they truly have your best interests at heart? Or could it be that these powerful players, the oldest of the old guard, are all working quite earnestly together for their own fun at your expense?
These are questions that should not only be asked, but answered.
Signed,
X
No.2463
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>>2462
>The powerful elites do not care for your enjoyment, and they will easily look the other way for the sake of expansion. That's all too obvious, it's that way in real life. But why should it be tolerated? Where is Clop's UN? If an alliance wanted to win the moral highground they could declare rightaway that any unchecked invasions cannot be tolerated. And yet, silence.
That's because activity checking is not a thing anymore. Players stasis after not interacting for three days. By the time someone realized they were open, they would be in stasis, as this method was not meant to be a way to obtain nations.
>How much say does an alliance member have regarding their leadership? Where is a true democratic alliance? Do your leaders have your best interest at heart? Why not send a PM to Hachi, Dovesy, Dark Vessel or The Horned King and see what they think about a possible parliament or congress in the alliance.
Do they truly have your best interests at heart? Or could it be that these powerful players, the oldest of the old guard, are all working quite earnestly together for their own fun at your expense?
1. I'm still pretty new compared to some of these players
2. At FC we try to let everyone have a voice and talk about their concerns in our Skype chat. I believe in working as a team and consulting everyone when possible before we as an alliance take action. When I act, I act because its something our alliance wants, not because I want to fulfill some heroic complex or cause drama.
No.2464
>>2463
What would you do if your alliance was to vote for you to hand power over to someone else? Would you consent to such an election? Would you be brave enough to formalize it into a vote regularly to be sure you had the consent of the majority of your alliance?
No.2465
>>2464
Does it matter? If his alliance wanted a new leader, and he refused to hand over leadership, they could just leave and make another alliance. Fuck, can you be any more retarded?
No.2466
>>2462
> Where is Clop's UN?
Myra's backing it actually. It's kind of hilarious really, once you think about it.
Before that it was Dreamsweet's, and I don't know before that because it was before my time.
Also, you have the board, which is a generally free exchange of information one notable exception.
> And yet, silence.
Have you ever fought in an unwinnable war against forces that simply dwarf your capacity to perceive? One where surviving at the end of the day is the best you could have hoped for? Because there's a point were losses stop being tragedies, and start becoming statistics.
And that's why a world police state is unsustainable. CLOP runs on war. It's not advertising that keeps butts in seats, it's conflict.
> a possible parliament or congress in the alliance
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If your alliance makes you do stuff for them, and does nothing for you, you're in the the wrong alliance. Period.
But you do seem to not understand the interplay involved though.
>these powerful players, the oldest of the old guard
Dovesy, DV, TyHachi, and THK are all n00bs. You don't even have the right old guard to be worried about at all.
You're looking at the wrong data screen bro.
No.2467
>>2462
>How much say does an alliance member have regarding their leadership? Where is a true democratic alliance? Do your leaders have your best interest at heart?
From where I'm standing, it feels like what I have to say has a pretty big impact on important decisions. It's refreshing, really, considering I was mostly expecting to just be along for the ride as a new player.
No.2470
>>2466
I am relatively new.
But do you know why I got my position of power? I know how to write; unlike most of you retards.
No.2471
>>2460
…he specifically called out GDP as his metric for success.
I have 2 malls now, and making only slightly less than THK is with *four*. And they're running very smoothly, thanks.
Does it really count as 'sprinting' when it's fully sustainable?
No.2473
>>2471
Fully sustainable? You clearly had to shut a single Mall down, a long while ago. That means you can't sustain your Malls at all. In fact, you probably have everything in your country disabled, always. Just because of that one time you disabled your Mall. Long ago. You clearly can't into managing your country. I'm always right, whoever holds a different view of what's going on is wrong, because my raw numbers, which I analyze through my own subjective filters, are the only sources of truth in this game.
No.2474
>>2471
I actually believe his malls are sustainable. Scarf into skype chat. He wraps people around his finger, and gets the resources he needs.
Will those resources ever pay out to their contributors? I guess only time will tell.
No.2475
>>2462
Okay… most of that is nonsense, but this bit is REALLY nonsense:
>if an alliance wanted the moral high ground, they could declare they won't tolerate attacks
That… literally doesn't need to be said. Our NAP with the Cauldron doesn't provide for activity checks because all parties agreed that the new mechanics implicitly precluded the concept.
Any attack is ABSOLUTELY an attack. There's no two ways about it. Retaliation is the only logical response to aggression, that's just basic.
No.2476
>>2474
>Will those resources ever pay out to their contributors?
I think my thousands in stockpiles speak for themselves
No.2477
>>2476
Silence, fool. Someone is speaking up for you. Don't you see? You're being oppressed. Scarf is taking all your production away and giving you scraps for your effort. Don't be blind to your own state of slavery.
Disregard this poster, gentlemen of the board. I insist, he's being forced to vouch for his tyrant of a leader. I know this better than he does.
No.2478
>>2477
No, he's just giving me numbers. Shut the fuck up, X, this is becoming another scarf post.
No.2479
>>2478
Yeah… I haven't posted on this thread except under my name and trip.
…….Just sayin'.
I suspect this 'X' is either Loli or HM
>inb4 it's Admin
No.2480
>>2477
>taking production away
>giving me scraps
unless scraps = a shitload of parts and bits
and taking my production away means providing everyone with sugar and coffee then i think you need somethin fixed in your head
No.2481
>>2473
> I'm always right, whoever holds a different view of what's going on is wrong, because my raw numbers, which I analyze through my own subjective filters, are the only sources of truth in this game.
Aww, I've got a fan. That's so adorable I might just start cutting myself.
>>2479
>inb4 it's Admin
Nah, I think this person actually plays.
>>2470
>But do you know why I got my position of power? I know how to write; unlike most of you retards.
Well, referring to everyone you're interacting with as retards is a bit detrimental to to your point though.
What I do mean, is that this individual chooses to call out a group of individuals as the old guard, when there is actually an old guard to be this paranoid about. I mean, it's not like they're hidden or anything.
No.2483
>>2477
Haha, that's a really good parody of the SJW movement on tumblr. Thanks for the laugh, mate.
What are xor preferred pronouns? :3
No.2484
>no Cicada tier little hints about real identity
>not leaving a clues that the 'X' is really 'X', becasue now anybody can imposter
>pic related
No.2485
>>2464
>What would you do if your alliance was to vote for you to hand power over to someone else? Would you consent to such an election? Would you be brave enough to formalize it into a vote regularly to be sure you had the consent of the majority of your alliance?
I would be fine with that. If the alliance felt I was no longer suited to lead or felt someone was more capable, than that's fine. I'm not interested in the manipulative world that some leaders run where they have power fantasies and lead everyone to ruin. The whole point of FC was to get away from groups like that while allowing people to have a voice and a place to go if they didn't agree with another groups philosophy.
>>2465
This basically address what can happen if I were to be corrupt or another leader did. People have free will and if they oppose something they can work together to end it. If they sit in silence or go along with it they only have themselves to blame.
>>2466
>Dovesy, DV, TyHachi, and THK are all n00bs. You don't even have the right old guard to be worried about at all.
You know the more I think about it, the more I realize only a newer player along the lines of when we all joined would think we're so old.
Hmmmm…
Now who could that be?
>>2471
It was GDP vs the cost of resources on the market. Not just GDP. Go reread it.
>>2473
Oh hey a troll. Good job appearing incredibly biased. We all think you're so funny.
>>2479
You keep brining attention to it like it will make you less suspect or something. Having a trip and posting with it means little if you can just as easily remove it and post again.
No.2486
>>2484
Or perhaps you haven't been looking hard enough.
No.2487
>>2470
>But do you know why I got my position of power?
I figured it was because you got in good with other powerful individuals by betraying your friends, and because you're so incompetent and regularly drunk out of your mind that they decided helping get you into a position of quote-unquote "Power" poses them no risk.
No.2488
I'm a massive cock sucking faggot!
No.2490
>>2488
>I'm a massive cock sucking faggot!
From what I heard he doesn't like the taste.
crazy I know
No.2491
>>2488
> obvious attempt to distract by those afraid of questions being asked.
If X revealed themselves they'd be found in a shallow grave somewhere. How deep does the conspiracy go?
No.2493
>>2491
Let's stop this charade.
I'm going to reveal my identity. There's no way you will be able to do me any harm because Admin deleted my old account so I could start with a new name.
I'm Sephi and I'll become the new Shadow Lord of Clop. There's nothing anyone can do about this.
No.2494
>>2491
Less than 6 feet or so apparently.
>>2493
>I'm Sephi
That doesn't make any sense, and you know that.
No.2495
>>2493
At least i found my trip
No.2496
>>2493
Then why post as X? You might as well post as Sephi.
No.2498
>>2493
Then let's see it. Post in name and trip and we'll see if you're Sephi or not.
No.2499
>>2493
Someone wanted to impersonate me? And they aren't even an obvious troll? That's adorable!
No.2500
>>2499
Didn't you leave the game? Oh wait…
No.2501
>>2500
No one ever gets to leave.
No.2502
>>2500
What, I can't lurk on the board? I don't even have time for Compounds, let alone >CLOP. I have a job now, and I've gotten into more healthier addictions: Grand Theft Auto V and Cities: Skylines.