/cow/ - Lolcows (Merry Satanmas!)

If anyone bothers to read the whole story, the details get grittier and grittier as you read on, but for those looking for a tl;dr:

The NA engaged in over a decade of financial malfeasance. Some of those include:

1. The NA garnered tons of income and didn't pay proper taxes for over 15 years. Pierce was still alive during at least two of those years. Their accountant discovered they had been collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in "member dues" but had not been reporting any of it as taxable income since at least 1998, when the dues money collected was listed as "retained earnings" on the tax filings. At that time, they claimed $860,000 in member dues income as non-taxable retained earnings. The accountant estimated the Alliance collected an additional one and a half to two million dollars in member dues and donations over the 17 years since 1998 using the same illegal accounting trick. They hadn't even filed income tax returns in over a decade for any of its business ventures, including Resistance Records.

2. Money laundering. They would earn income from timber sales and then wire the proceeds offshore. Some of the money wired offshore would pay for foreign nationals illegally working in the USA, including one Arthur Kemp who stayed under the pseudonym "Richard Preston". They were trying to get him into the US legally via Work Visa, but that never worked out. The accountant found more off-shore bank wire transfers, including one transfer in 2005 moving $125,000 to someone in Europe from the NA's so-called retained earnings account with Charles Schwab. Another $100,000 wire transfer from the Schwab account was described in the books as a "short term loan."

3. Kevin Strom's predilections for, in his words allegedly, "shockingly young females" is known to even senior members of the NA, including one woman who refuses to trust her two daughters with him. She claims Strom likes to dress his sexual partners up in schoolgirl outfits.

4. Strom faked an editorial newspaper to appear as though some legitimate media source would take his side regarding his conviction for child pornography possession.

5. The NA silenced their accountant via a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA, written by their lawyer. This prevented him from consulting with other accountants or tax preparers. Knowing the NDA didn't apply to criminal activity, he began documenting and saving his findings on flash drives.

6. The accountant claimed the organization embezzled tens of thousands of dollars, allegedly by the former business manager Patrick Martin. The NA's lawyer told him to ignore it. He even told him to refrain from using the word "embezzlement."

7. In the few times the organization did file for income tax returns, mistakes were rampant. The 2013 tax return for National Vanguard Books 2013 was prepared by Thomas Padgett, an infamous neo-Nazi and convicted swindler. He claimed it sold less than $25,000 in books in 2013 and claimed expenses of more than $60,000, thus reporting it took a loss of more than $37,000. Worse was the last page of the filing, where the preparer claimed that National Vanguard Books had a Net Operating Loss (NOL) of more than $480,000 available in 2013.

8. Thomas Padgett of Akron, Ohio, responsible for preparing the income tax returns, had no discernible tax filing skills. His credentials include work as a "personal trainer," a "psychic reader," and a former employee of the Psychic Friends Network. He was also convicted of insurance fraud and sent to prison thirty years ago.

9. After rejecting the NVB tax filing, the IRS opened up an inquiry in to the NA. The National Alliance leaders and employees and others interviewed, both on and off the record, for this report all denied any knowledge of financial irregularities with the organization and placed the blame squarely on others for any problems that may ultimately be found in the pending IRS inquiry.

>>146413

1.) Did you mean to post this on /pol/?

2.) Why the hell do people make/post motionless gifs?

>>146417

I considered it pretty /cow/worthy considering the crowd post-Pierce.

Pierce himself was quite spergy, too.

>>146417

I considered it pretty /cow/worthy considering the crowd post-Pierce.

Pierce himself was quite spergy, too.

>>146427

Anyone in particular we can milk?

>>146448

Strom is a convicted pedophile who has since tried to spin the narrative to suit him. He even set up a fake news site to try and appear someone in the mainstream legitimately supports him, even though the WhoIS registration clearly shows he registered the site:

http://www.charlottesvilletimes.com/2010/09/the-kevin-alfred-strom-case/

It's pretty obvious it isn't a real news site, chiefly because it hasn't been updated since 2011, but moreover, it's built on Wordpress. The smalltown news sites near me use any other platform except Wordpress.

Moreover, just look at Strom's face. Doesn't it just ooze with smugness?

As far as others are concerned, I have no idea what Will Williams is like. Haven't been arsed to listen to any of his broadcasts, and apparently, neither have others in the movement. They all seem to be riding on the coattails of William Pierce without putting in any effort of their own.

Speaking of Pierce's sperginess, just listen to this to hear for yourself.

>>146457

Wow.

He spend half of it pretending to be an evil overlord talking about how great it is that mass media is degenerate, and later at the end, how it will get America to someday kill white people.

Decent white nationalist? Either they are a bit slow in the head or they aren't as decent as they propose to be. The entire premise behind the movement is to judge people not based on their personal behavior and actions but on their genetics, and arbitrarily so at times. Plus the Turner Diaries is basically a call to violence. It's like saying "a respectable gang member", or "a respectable member of nambla".

>>146599

>Plus the Turner Diaries is basically a call to violence.

The Turner diaries is complete garbage. Take out all of the racial parts and its still garbage. It doesn't tell you how to do anything and provides zero useful information. It pisses off my inner /k/ to no end.

"LOL, let's kill shitskins!" is not a viable battle plan.

I really don't know what is funnier. Skinheads who praise it as "race war for dummies" or left wing hand wringers who hold it up as "race war for dummies."

>>146457

He almost sounds like Donald Duck.

>>146457

>Marx

>pro-democracy

U wot m8? Wasn't Marx's ideal a stateless communist society? Statelessness implies not much democracy.

Let's not forget other Jews who were involved in the communist movements.

>>146609

At least they'll die in the real happening then, if they use it as a guidebook.

>>146613

Marxism, Communism, Capitalism and Democracy are said to be all peddled by the International Jewish Conspiracy.

Not that I believe this, though.

>>146615

I'm not sure if I'd call it peddling.

Zionists do tend to stick their fingers into pies though.

>>146615

So basically "every ideology but mine is made by the Jews!"

>>146621

Can't say I like Zionists but a lot of the shit spewn out by these people is just paranoid autism.

>>146427

>I considered it pretty /cow/worthy considering the crowd post-Pierce.

Then post images about the crowd post-Pierce.

>>146626

Facism, Nazism, Monarchism, Federalism and (Selective) Libertarianism are all fine though.

>>146643

>(Selective) Libertarianism

So basically, every freedom except the ones I don't like?

>>146501

>>146611

>>146613

If you loved that, then'll enjoy this.

>>146738

Yup.

>>146740

So, World War One was planned and executed by Jews, not so much because the administrators of different countries were neck-deep in real conspiracies and power-grabs?

And the year 1900 was the golden age of culture for white people, and until we reenact slavery and imperialism, we'll live shitty lives until then?

I have some concerns…

>>146599

>The entire premise behind the movement is to judge people not based on their personal behavior and actions but on their genetics

Personal behavior is rooted in genetics. The entire premise behind the movement is the idea that birds of a feather flock together and the recognition that group differences lead to conflict.

>>146794

Pierce is a nutter, but here's something to consider:

http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2013/volume_5/number_2/the_jewish_hand_in_the_world_wars.php

Other suggested readings:

"The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Levi-Strauss and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity" by John Murray Cuddihy

"Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" by Anthony C. Sutton

A review of "The Ordeal of Civility"

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/yid.htm

>>146805

That is only natural, but there is still more to personal behavior and choices than genetics, consider upbringing and experiences in life.

Also consider influences like drugs, chemicals, etc.

>>146812

Well, I have my reading cut out for me today.

>>146796

Good pic man, you should start a thread about it

>>146599

>>146609

"William Pierce's The Turner Diaries, a withering, paranoid, horribly written novel which the FBI has called 'the bible of the racist right.' It dares to ask firearms owners' favorite question: 'What will you do when they come to take your guns?' The book opens with governmental gun raids which trigger a guerrilla war against 'Zionist' overlords, resulting in a holocaust of nonwhites and a new era spearheaded by rifle-totin' palefaces. First-person protagonist Earl Turner starts out having his apartment searched and ends up dropping a bomb on the Pentagon. The plot is laughably contrived in the manner of a schoolboy playing with plastic soldiers. Turner escapes death with the ridiculous improbability of an action-movie hero until he's blown to Aryan smithereens in his kamikaze mission. What begins as a loose-knit paramilitary posse grows into an earth-governing, snow-white, quasi-Druidic inner sanctum known as The Order. Hitler is referred to as 'the Great One,' and genocide of nonwhites is called 'sterilization.' The entire planet eventually becomes white, although certain sectors of Asia remain too radioactive for habitation. Characters are rendered flatter than paper targets. Nevertheless, The Turner Diaries would seem to invigorate any reader who pines for a White Jerusalem."

Jim Goad

>>146904

The Turner Diaries a shit, we can agree on this.

What else is there to milk out of these guys?

>>146871

He already did.

>>146937

There's Kevin Strom. The guy himself has quite an illustrious history:

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Kevin_Strom

>>149498

It was the stalking and witness intimidation that really did him in. Now he's probably going to get killed by Nazis. Those guys are supposed to hate pædos? Right?

His hypocrisy will bite him. I hope he shares a cell with Nick Bate. Or at least in spitting distance of.

>>149507

He was tried, convicted, did 23 months and got 15 years of supervised release.

Still walking today, even though others in the far-right distrust him.

>>149589

So they just let this pedo go, while justifying everything they do as a battle for their children? They claim to "fight degeneracy", and call all Jews pedos. Meanwhile they have one just walking amognst their ranks. That looks bad.

>>149599

The dude got a very light sentence (was sentenced to 23 months, although he served exactly four), although I suppose it was because the CP he possessed was minute. He also maintains he didn't gather the material deliberately, although that conflicts with the accounts of others close to him. Even by his own admission, he likes "shockingly young females".

The details of the material itself are unclear. If he was whacking off to preteens, then yeah, the dude's a sick fuck, but if they're sexually mature but not legal, then the dude's just pursuing biological imperatives which go against the law.

Watch out, /pol/ is gonna call you guys SJW cucks for popping their little perfect aryan bubble

>>149599

Basically white supremacists call other races of people animals for doing shit but if they do the exact same thing or worse than it is somehow a pure act of goodness by the aryan race.

>>149683

A thing I like to do to /pol/ when they start race shit is to point out nordic peoples contributed jack shit to society when compared to Anglo, French, or Germanic people. Perhaps even less, since Sweden was responsible for things like the Deluge but have nothing to weigh against it.

Then I explain this is why people shouldn't feel sorry for Sweden being overrun by black/muslim immigrants.

>>149712

I always did wonder why /pol/ sucked nord dick so much. /pol/ typically judges races by their historic technological advances, and as flawed as this method might be, they're usually consistent. But for some reason nords are the exception. They had a pretty cool culture and metallurgy, but their tech was mid-tier at best.

>>149716

I think /pol/ obsesses over nordic people because they kinda fit Hitler's "Aryans."

They were already a laughing stock because they believe in the doctrine of an amphetamine junky, but ever since social justice blogging became a thing to laugh at, /pol/ decided to be just as big of lolcows as SJWs with inverted ideals. The similarities between some of /pol/'s threads and Tumblr are staggering.

>>149637

16 or 15 isn't shockingly young. 12 or 13 is. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it was actually children. Plus the witness intimidation and stalking. Those are the worst parts. He stalked some kids and then tried to intimidate the witnesses.

>>149716

Nubian society was actually very high tech for it's time. This includes medicine, architecture, pretty much everything. So /pol/ doesn't really have a consistent scale about societies. They justify it by the tech but cherry pick.

>>149730

Clearly ancient Aryans came down to Africa and helped out those people. :^]

>>146823

>That is only natural, but there is still more to personal behavior and choices than genetics, consider upbringing and experiences in life.

There are important non-genetic traits, but the effects of nurture are overrated. A good environment isn't going to turn an unintelligent, high time preference dindu into a perceptive model citizen.

https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/r-i-p-blank-slate-and-what-does-the-environment-mean-anyway/

>>149728

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>>149791

Nubians might have dark skin, but they aren't purely negroid in the first place. They seem to have been a mixed group of Negroid and Caucasoid descent, more like their neighbors in the Horn of Africa than the Bantus.

https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/boring-dna-evidence-from-ancient-nubians/

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/05/the-power-of-one-nubian-that-is/#.VclQjPlUWA4

>>146740

At 2:13 where does that song come from. For some reason, I remember hearing that from a video game.

But also, that faggot was on to something when he ranting about the presidents but then he went into the maison des lunes when he started to bitch about the Jews again.

>>149818

So the mix was superior to either neighbor? So you're saying we should mix?

>>149683

Dear JEWS and an Anon said something rather wise and poignant the last time we held a similar discussion. Since their comments render anything else I say redundant, I'll defer to them

>Anon: See, /pol/ (on both halfchan and 8chan) wasn't always like this. Actually, not that long ago, shouting "SHILL", pretending to be a nazi, and pretending everything was a jewish conspiracy was actually more of an in-joke than anything! You went to /pol/ for politics outside of the mainstream, and part of the elaborate joke was "Oh, of course we're nazis, because anything outside of the two mainstream parties is, of course, nazism." It was sort of an elaborate play on Godwin's law. But what happened is that multiple raids by stormfaggots and actual Nazis turned that environment of 'elaborate joke' into serious business. Slowly, subtly, crying "Shill!" became less of a joke, and more of an actual accusation. And, it didn't help that ACTUAL SHILLS occasionally raided /pol/. And it didn't help that a bunch of people PRETENDING to be shills raided /pol/ for shits and giggles. Eventually, it reached a tipping point, where intelligent posters fled the board. And once they fled the board, so did the not-so-intelligent posters who were aware the whole thing was kind of a joke. So all that /pol/ was left with was a bunch of bottom-of-the-barrel shitheads who took what was originally a joke, very seriously. It's like…imagine if you were, say, someone on the far-right. Hollywood has built up this image of the far-right as a bunch of rabid, baby-murdering, cartoonish villains. You're not that. You may be many things, but you're not the ridiculous caricature that populates WW2 movies. So, to poke some fun at the mainstream conception of the far-right, you sort of roll your eyes and say "Oh, that's me, yep, I'm gonna rape your babies and holocaust your minorities, ho ho ho". You and a group of friends do this specifically to make fun of the stereotype. But then a bunch of idiots join you who think you're being serious. They don't get that you're making fun of what Hollywood tells people the far-right is. They think you're being realistic. They are, essentially, bottom-of-the-barrel retards, who BELIEVED the Hollywood propaganda, the whole purpose of which is to make people believe that the far-right is a bunch of baby-raping murderers. But they are so dumb fucking stupid that they think, "Yeah, the Hollywood agitprop version of the nazis is WHAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE!" That's what happened to /pol/. And all this happpened LONNNNNNG before the exodus to 8chan. 8chan experienced a brief golden age because a bunch of intelligent posters came back to join in on 8chan's /pol./ But they were doomed to gravitate back to the /pol/ norm once the shitposters migrated.

>JEWS: I can generalize this to the rest of 4chan. Imagine you're at the movies with your friends. You have some in-jokes and you rib each other for fun. Then, someone approaches your group with the Encyclopedia Yourfriendsica. He has studied the banter. He pretends that he's been one of your friends all along, using your in-jokes–often incorrectly. When someone makes a joke in a weird way, he corrects him with the textbook definition of your in-joke. Eventually, more of them join your group. Eventually, your friends leave, and the group becomes a group of people impersonating your group of friends. The cycle continues indefinitely until the theater goes out of business.

>>149869

Or, as someone else once said…

>Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.

That all being said…

I have "right-wing"* sympathies, although I'm hesitant to call myself a right-winger. Not only does ideology poison everything, I rarely refer to certain groups of people as monolith. Thomas Hobbes's views on the state of nature informed much of my opinion about human nature, although I think "social contract" as a theory is absolute bunk. I reject egalitarianism as a political philosophy, and societies which continue to pursue its application at the expense of its own health ultimately fail and eventually self-destruct.

Circumstances in my life led me to believe organized political interests, usually those described as "socially progressive," stake power by exploiting America's increasing minoritarianism to antagonize and divest White Americans of any remaining political clout. Consequently, much of the scrutiny once directed at communists for subversive activities has been redirected towards the far-right for similar, if inverse, political motivations. Most of this is all done by keeping the specter of racism alive. Notions of racial superiority may be a "learned behavior", but noticing the differences and acting accordingly may come instinctively, and politicos from all sides exploit this for their own benefit. Ever see Jane Elliott in action?

*Without saying too much (any elaboration on this will get pedantic), I believe the left/right spectrum is a misapphrehensive, gross oversimplification of political dynamics and philosophy. Human thought is far too complicated to reduce to either fruity label. Moreover, the difference between political ideology and religion is purely semantic.

A short list of people who've informed my attitudes on life and politics: Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, H.L. Mencken, Jim Goad, Scott Locklin, Oswald Spengler, Ernst Jünger, Boyd Rice, Robert Nozick, Max Stirner, Theodore Kaczynski

>>149880

Speaking of Jane Elliott…

>>149880

God damn it. No one cares what you think.

>>149897

>engages in a thread related to politics

>gets mad when others share their views

This is what amuses me most about everyone here. It seems to me people complain about "politisperging" when they're not the ones doing it.

>>149897

No one cares what you dislike.

>>149881

Based Elliot.

Racism is bad, simple as it may be to say, so I support anyone who can wake people up to their own biases.

>>149861

Neanderthals mixed with White and Asian ancestors, so that might not be a bad idea lel.

>>149911

If you think inflicting terror upon unsuspecting "participants" amounts to waking them up, then sure, she's great. It's not like she doesn't have a broader political agenda. Oh wait:

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=1019

Her methodology is literally the same since the 60s. Now it's perceived racism rather than actual racism. She's the SJW.

>>149937

I have some concerns about your source's neutrality. Though she is unfortunately biased against whites, so I give you that.

Though, I think there is still something to be said about the test itself and the revealed psychology.

>>149990

No other cocks on that site endorsed (I'm not a Neocon), but the analysis of Jane Elliott is spot-on. The woman is no different than the communist re-educators.

Further reading from some sources with

http://www.vdare.com/articles/jane-elliott-35-years-of-rage

http://www.vdare.com/articles/abolishing-america-contd-jane-elliott-contd

He is gay.

>>151730

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>>149861

They weren't superior to pure Caucasoids, just pure Negroids.

>>151784

They were superior to their Egyptian neighbors and to everyone else at the time. That would include white people.

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>>149791

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>>149712

Virtually every discussion on ancient civilizations reminds of the questions raised by Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" and the counterargument by Scott Locklin. I think it behoove everyone to read his review:

>I read "Guns, Germs and Steel" some years ago, and provided many "aha" moments. Diamond's explanations are extremely compelling, even to someone with more than a passing education in history, geography and historiography. Of course, they are all a "just so" story, rather than an accurate representation of how things turned out. Geography *of course* is important in the historical development of different nations and civilizations. Is geography (along with associated factors of agricultural technology, domesticated animals and his pained explanation about why Europeans were better with guns than the Chinese who invented them) the only factor in why Western Civilization grew to dominate others? Of course it isn't. Europe had no unique access to these things: Asian civilizations had arguably superior such advantages.

>Victor Davis Hanson makes a similar "one factor" argument in his book "Carnage and Culture." Hanson's argument is that Westerners are simply better at war than other civilizations, because most Westerners were influenced by the Ancient Greeks, who developed a superior method of combat and of developing innovations than other nations did. Is Hanson's theory 100% the One True Answer? No, the rise of Japan and the invincibility of Mongol raiders rather puts his theory to fault, but it's at least as important as geography. There are all kinds of "one factor" arguments possible, all of which could make for as convincing a book as this one.

>Victorian historians thought it was the vigor of "Nordic" civilizations which made Western world domination inevitable: also convincing if that was the only book you had read on that particular day, and also ultimately deeply silly (basically, this means the West dominates because it is dominant). Other Victorian historians made out human history to be the product of great battles, all of which had a huge element of random chance.

>Spengler also famously thought of civilizations as "cultural organisms" which eventually get old, become frail and die, just like any other organism whose telemeres have gotten shorter. I would imagine, like in, say, finance, the actual explanation for history is kind of complicated. I bet the Greek way of war has something to do with it, along with geography, culture, the Catholic Church, language and a whole lot of random chance. It's nice to think we know exactly why something happened, but a lot of what happens in the world, especially the world of human beings, is just plain random noise. Putting one factor explanations on history as Diamond does is not particularly helpful.

>There is also the matter of historical perspective. Diamond writes as if everything leading up to the present time of European world cultural domination were some kind of historical inevitability, and that *of course* -thus it will always be. This is the sheerest nonsense. At various times in human history, "Western Civilization" consisted of illiterate barbarians living in mud huts. In very recent times in human history (like, say, the 1930s), it kind of looked like that's where the West was heading again. Other civilizations culturally and physically eclipsed or dominated the West through history: the Japanese, the Chinese, the Islamic civilizations, Egyptian, Assyrian, Mongolian, Persian or Russian (if you count them as different, which I do) civilizations made Western civilization irrelevant through vast swathes of human history. Such civilizations may again eclipse Western civilization. Just to take one example, the Zoroastrian Persian civilization lasted longer than Rome, covered more territory and was in many ways more advanced: they even generally beat the Romans in warfare in the middle east.

>Why should I privilege the Romans over the Persians, just because some nations who were rather vaguely influenced by Rome now dominate the nations who were influenced by the Persians? I privilege them because they are my cultural ancestors, though in 1000 years, the poetry of Rumi may be more important than that of Martial.

>Finally, there are the matters of Diamond's historical veracity and bigotry. To address the second thing first, he seems to take a sort of perverse glee in making racial pronouncements to the detriment of "Western" people. According to Diamond, Western people are dirty, and have developed special immune systems; something I find hard to believe, and doubt is backed up by anything resembling statistical fact. Why wouldn't east Asians have developed superior immune systems? They lived in cities longer than the ancestors of most Westerners. Also, according to Diamond, he can tell that the average New Guinean is "on the average more intelligent, more alert, more expressive and more interested in things and people than the average European or American. (page 20, along with a tortured explanation of why Diamond's vacation perceptions are supposed to be superior to a century of psychometric research)" This is the sort of casual bigotry that used to inform Nordicist history about the dominance of the West, except somehow it becomes politically correct when pointed at Western people in modern times.

>>146413

>Kevin Strom's conviction for possession of child pornography.

what is it with white nationalist and pedophilia?

>>146457

lol, isnt this the guy that did that extremely biased and inaccurate video about Haiti?

>>151784

>pure Caucasoids, just pure Negroids.

meme phrases that are really silly when you think about them.

>>152158

Probably.

They always talk moreso about other races being bad, than their own race being good.

>>152160

They do still exist, although I don't believe in the inherent objective superiority of either.

>>151784

>pure Caucasoids, just pure Negroids.

meme phrases that are really silly when you think about them.

Not sure why HBDers and other anti-black groups always use Bantu groups as THE black

>>149818

> They seem to have been a mixed group of Negroid and Caucasoid descent, more like their neighbors in the Horn of Africa than the Bantus

>>152161

>They do still exist, although I don't believe in the inherent objective superiority of either.

I believe that "pure negroid" is more of a meme phrase than "pure caucasoid", why. because people hardly use the latter. The former is used whenever you discuss african history with people that have some anti-black attitudes. They try to change the criteria for defining race, a person can be 80% black and 20% other and they will claim "well that person doesnt really count as black, he's not a pure negroid"(but will call that person or that group black when they are doing something bad), basically the one drop rule get's flipped on it's head.

>>152158

>>152161

Oh yes, indeed.

Although Pierce's citations reflect Hesketh-Prichard's work. Of course, Pierce skims over the events which happened post Liberation, including the Duvalier family rule and the United States punishing Haiti by subjecting them to isolation in the 19th century. Moreover, France had planned to retake the island, but instead of waging war, levied debt against the country after it declared independence.

That all being said, Haiti's poverty can only be blamed on whitey for so long. At this point, Haiti's problems are self-inflicted.

From an Amazon review:

>This is a very interesting book. It was written in the begining of century, but stills actual after one hundred years. The author - the english journalist Hesketh Prichard, from the "Daily Express" - depicts his impressions of a journey across and about Haiti. He found a country where the black race rules after a century, which was a rarity in 1900 (just Liberia and Ethiopia, at the time, had black governments, too). Although the author shows simpathy for the ordinary haitian people, the opinion that he gives from the country is far away to be positive. Here, in his opinion, we find a place,curiously, like post-colonial Africa 60 years later, where who really rules is widespread corruption, exarcebated but ridiculous militarism (an army with 7.000 men had 6.500 generals and 7.000 brigadiers), venal judges, police brutality, intimidation of free press,continuous political instability (during one hundred years, none president of Haiti was able to end his term), and, last but not the least, susperstition and witchcraft. I will end my commentary, quoting the author himself: "Today in Haiti we come to the real crux of the question. At the end of a hundred years of trial, how does the black man governs himself? What progress has he made? Absolutely none. When he undertakes the task of government, he does so, not with the intent of promoting the public weal, but for the sake of filing his own pocket. His motto is still, "Pluck the fowl, but take care she does not cry out". Corruption has spread through every portion and every department of the Government. Almost all the ills of the country may be traced to their source in tiranny, the ineptitude, and the improbity of those at the helm of state. (…) Can the negro rule himself? Is he congenitally capable? (…) Today, and as matters stands, he certainly cannot rule himself". Worth reading book, wrote in a fine literary english.

>>146613

Actually, Marx's "dictatorship of the proletariat" is, in fact, a worker's democracy, where all means of production and democratically decided by workers. At least theoretically. It's not a proper dictatorship per se.

>>152221

Should we enslave or subjugate all black people though, based on the example of Haiti, or the likes of Somalia?

I believe in meritocracy, which means letting people get ahead by their own merits, so if black people are mostly without merit, it will work itself out with no direct racism.

>>152221

>That all being said, Haiti's poverty can only be blamed on whitey for so long.

The problem with you people is that you're too eager to relieve whites of any wrong doing. It's not about "blaming whitey", it's about looking at the history of the country and acknowledging the effect it has had on the present. You even acknowledge the fact that Haiti was forced to pay France 150 million francs(how much the US pay for the Louisiana territory?), you acknowledge the embargo's placed upon Haiti by the US and France(along with some sanctions), you acknowledge the US backed Duvaliers who stole millions from Haiti and ran up its debt(40% of Haiti's debt was ran up by the US-backed Duvaliers). There was also a time whrn the US occupied Haiti(1915-1986). These are not things that can just be swept to the side and deemed as unimportant, these are big things that have had a big effect on yhe country. How can you be aware of all of those things and still say "well now its the Haitians fault"? Things are not as simple as 'blacks ruled the country so it went to shit', people love to pretend that Haiti was just left to it's own devices after the revolution.

>>152281

>The problem with you people is that you're too eager to relieve whites of any wrong doing.

Only because an active cultural war against white people is being collectively waged by ivory tower intellectuals under the impression they'll be relieved of any historical wrongdoing their ancestors may have been guilty of (or, at most, punished negligibly). Despite the ongoing claims public education reinforces the notion of white supremacy, the progressives, who've won many significant victories in the culture war, made great strides alienating whites from their culture via Marxist historical narratives. Everyone knows history is nothing short of chaotic, but only a fool would accept blame for an accident of birth. People who think like James Loewen (or Tim Wise, Jane Elliott, some SPLC expert or anyone else part of Anti-Racism, Inc.) would love to tax all white Americans dry to relieve the coloreds of their hardships, but virtually little evidence substantiates the conclusion that coloreds perform better if given surplus aid. Yes, an infinite number of variables may be cited to justify this course of action, but reform is desperately needed if this is to be pursued.

How, might I ask, would you go about it? I'm not involved in politics professionally, but since we're on the subject, what solution would you propose? If France swallowed the debt, would they be any better?

>>152294

Blaming the splc, calls people coloured. This is why no one takes you seriously. You have virtually ignored the argument that would turn the other side. It's racist to punish the current generation for the mistakes of a previous one. It's racist to favor one race over another.

>>146613

Why do you keep insisting it's an organized Jewish plot against whitey? Look how many Jews fought for the south during the civil war.

>>152295

Even progressives know the SPLC is full of shit. Of all publications, Harpers did an expose on them over a decade ago. I mentioned them because they're participants in the culture war.

I use the term "colored" because "people of color" implies whiteness has no color. It also implies white people have no culture, which is richly amusing.

I oppose the notion that people should be collectively blamed for actions they went well beyond their control, especially for those who never even lived during the era. I also oppose collective guilt knowing full well that the aggrieved become aggressive the minute they find the (often perceived) aggriever making concessions, not unlike sharks smelling blood in the water.

>>152298

So you would have just let all those ss soldiers go?

>>152294

top kek, you didnt even really respond to the reply, you just went the 'muh white victimhood' route. Also whites pretty much saying 'we din du nuffin' predates this so called "culture war" against white people.

>>152383

*lead to sperging, fucking autocorrect.

>>152383

>Considering how Haiti's been given over 2 billion in aid, it's only reasonable for someone to expect from them any progress, earthquake or not.

within 5 years? What world do you live in? Also most people do not know anything about Haiti so they wouldn't really know how to measure this "progress". So even if there was some progress most people would still see poor people and say "these people haven't progressed at all!"

>>152383

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-red-cross-raised-half-a-billion-dollars-for-haiti-and-built-6-homes

http://www.wsj.com/articles/raymond-joseph-five-years-later-where-did-all-the-haiti-aid-go-1420847196

some articles on the aid money

>>152721

show me a country with the same history as Haiti and then we'll talk.

>>152777

>show me a carribean country

And things are still in a tailspin:

http://www.narrg.com/2015/10/why-is-williams-shielding-gliebe-cartwright/

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/national-alliance-faces-bequest-loss-financial-accusations

>>149599

WN are hypocrites. News at 11.

>>151820

>>151821

Werent people complining about the quality of Guns, Germs and Steel? (i.e. zebras could be domesticated)

>>152163

most African languages are Bantu influenced I guess?

>>152221

>Haiti's poverty can only be blamed on whitey for so long. At this point, Haiti's problems are self-inflicted.

They are still struggling to throw off the mental chins white people put on them, and their sellout neighborhoods the Dominicans have accepted white ideology and not expelled their white population. Haiti should have stayed and occupied the east to remove those influences.

>>152294

Presumably giving money to the descendants of slaves, *and not dicking around with Haiti anymore* would be a good idea. If UN intervention is needed, hve African countries do it. Not white ones.And put a black country on the UNSC to keep white and asians from jumping on black countries.

>>152281

>too eager to relieve whites of any wrong doing

I can't vouch for others, but I've never done this.

I've said "who the fuck cares? the people that did it have been dead so long they're almost completely forgotten." Then I've asked how you can get ghettos to stop being a cultural and economic sink in the country and get them to churn out an effective labor force with manners and maybe a few professionals and entrepreneurs.

>>146599

>implying you don't judge Chris-chan on his genetics

>>184219

Fuck of, kike enabler.

>black nationalist = ok

>asian nationalist = ok

>hispanic nationalist = ok

>jewish nationalist = more than ok do you remember the six million? Make sure you remember the six billion!

>islamic nationalist = ok except the terrorists but #notallmuslims #illridewithyou #itswhitepeoplesfault

>white nationalist = FUCKING RACIST SEXIST EVIL NAZI SCUM KILL THEM ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL

Does nobody see what's wrong with this picture?

>>184267

Nah, other than an assumed nationalist trying to play the Tumblr oppression whining game. You'll never win like that. Just be a honest racist, nothing wrong with that.

>>184267

All ultra nationalists can go fuck themselves, specially the niggers and kikes considering that it was nationalists who fucked them in the ass for centuries

If anything they should be against it, but they never learn

>>149716

A lot of /pol/'s 'intellectuals' are just going off a buffet of quotes they've seen on /pol/ without reading the books. It's why you have people who think that Spengler, Evola and Hitler are part of a package instead of being ideological enemies as they were in real life.

Oh and if you guys are up for WN cows check out the Northwest Front. It was founded by a guy from South Carolina who went off to fight for the Smith Government until he got kicked out of Rhodesia for being an uppity nuisance, then headed up to Ireland where he was a spergy fanboy for the IRA until his wife booted him out, all of this on his dad's dime of course. Now he's bopping around Vancouver Washington, writing terrible books about his make-believe white nation where he casts his rivals in the WN community as the high command of the ZOGnited states of america and runs a movement that's two-thirds sockpuppets.

>>184314

If they'd actually tried reading Evola, then they'd realize that his political views are rooted in his wacky mysticism and that his books aren't really worth reading from a practical political standpoint.

>>184317

Isn't the National Socialist Movement heavily infiltrated by the feds?

>>184319

Didn't his brother basically come out and say he was a diagnosed schizophrenic or something to that effect? Either way, he's ridiculous and his ideas are pure LARPery (as much as I like the basic idea of the Butler Plan).

>>184321

The Butler Plan is stupid from page 1. You can't build a nationalism out of people who up stakes and leave their homeland like that. Texan separatism would be more sensible, they'd at least have a cultural model that's more compelling than the NWF's desire that their citizens be white and obedient.

>>184321

Yes. You can tell them apart by their teeth.

>>184326

>You can't build a nationalism out of people who up stakes and leave their homeland like that.

What about the the Afrikaners and the settlers of the American interior? Given enough time and dedication it's possible to keep an area like that a de facto white region. The biggest problem is probably the low quality of people drawn to the idea itself, who tend to display tendencies toward fantasy and uncompromising idealism (evident in Harold Covington's insistence on trying to form his own 14/88 CWCville, thinking people will be won over through his series of corny novels no less) instead of taking a more pragmatic approach to things. Then there's the change in regional demographics since the idea was formulated, but even then it's not like the SWPLs who are so prevalent west of the Cascades are having very many kids. They should really be focusing on the more sparsely populated inland areas like Idaho and Montana, though.

>>184267

black nationalist

>we egyption space gods, bi nood

asian nationalist

> Confucius say, …

hispanic nationalist

> I know fuck all of these

jew nationalist

> 6 billion! 6 billion! 6 billion!

islamic nationalist

Either:

> not all muslims

or

> all kuffar must submit to Allah

white nationalist

> is white nationalism actually very popular anywhere at all except for as a counter reaction to extreme SJW lefty shit?

>>149694

The best argument against white supremacism has always been white supremacists.

>>184197

Well, their entire deal is literally being perfect aryan waifus. They're basically a niche version of Japanese idols, complete with likely being whored out the minute they turn 18.

>>184321

>If they'd actually tried reading Evola, then they'd realize that his political views are rooted in his wacky mysticism and that his books aren't really worth reading from a practical political standpoint.

Hence why he can accurately be described as Marija Gimbutas for right-wingers. He was a mystic, not an academic.

Most English language resources on Evola are not very good. The adoption of Evola by neoreactionaries is especially farcical since they excise the traditionalist/spiritual elements from his work and present him as an ordinary critic of democracy on the level of Carlyle or Ortega y Gasset. What you end up with are memes, dumb out of context Evola quotes on pictures, and people who are somehow transhumanist technocratic evolians.

One should read Guenon and the sources of western tradition (Plato, Plotinus, St. Augustine, Meister Eckhart, Dante) as well as eastern tradition (the Bhagavad Gita, the Dhammapada) before jumping into any of the Traditionalist Trilogy, and once grasped, reading Evola should simply be considered commentary on the source material.

>>184319

I've made threads about dear Harold on past incarnations of /cow/ and /atf/. I even made on him when this /cow/ started gaining traction. It eventually disappeared due to the volume of threads and low activity, so it may be due to start another one. Haven't had much time to follow him.

>>184317

NSM are a walking circus of white trash and lowlives. Possibly government informants, too.

>>184329

>What about the the Afrikaners and the settlers of the American interior?

Afrikaners had centuries to form a distinct cultural identity coupled with fighting two Anglo-Boer Wars. They're distinct for many reasons other than being white transplants.

I hate these guys AND niggers :^)

Merry christmas fags

>>184267

Most of the problem are WHITES pushing that bullshit, basically not giving a fuck about other groups being racists and nationalists because they really don't care what these other groups do

>>184313

Actually it must make sense for them to be nationalists since it worked for white people

White people today are living off the results of centuries of nationalism, without it europe would have stayed the frozen swamp full of forest niggers killing each other that was before the romans invaded.

The israel you see today was only possible thanks to nationalism, if it weren't for it the settlers that went there in the late 19th century would've been wiped out by arabs, in fact they already were being wiped out before the creation of the state itself and the forced expulsion of arabs by organized nationalist forces

>>184314

Pol hit rock bottom a long time ago, its literally a cesspool full of the worst cliches of the right-wing, basically what tumblr is for the left-wing

>>184321

The evola shit its just classic cherry picking of ideas they like

>>184329

>The biggest problem is probably the low quality of people drawn to the idea itself

"good people" are never drawn to anything that means leaving all behind and moving somewhere on a promise, all migrations in history are triggered by either a sudden of progressive worsening of living conditions, irish had been doing like shit for centuries but it took one massive famine and starvation become a reality for a lot of them to give up and just leave

The reason why blacks in burgerland didn't simply immigrate back to africa after slavery ended is because even during the worst of the jim crow era they were much better off than the average african was

Those low quality whites you mention also happen to be usually be the ones living in the worst conditions way below the average for most whites, in communities where endemic poverty and lack of opportunities means that a white will never get ahead, so its no wonder they are the only ones "motivated" to join a movement that advocates for the rights of whites since unlike rich whites in more affluent areas they really don't get to be privileged at all

>>184336

>we egyption space gods, bi nood

Thats like the most fringe example, black nationalism its still more or less tolerated by society at large which thinks that given the oppression of blacks in relatively recent times its okay they get some ideological payback, which is why shit like BLM gets a better rep than the KKK even though they aren't that different. Some similar shit is happening over at europe with mudslimes, but it actually gets worse.

Asians and hispanics are different mostly because they all come from different countries and different cultures, they just happen to share some traits but you still have cases where they hate each other. Shit like aztlan thats not hispanic nationalism, thats mexican nationalism son…

>>184340

Not really, a lot of important historical figures were white supremacists, it just happens to be an extremely unpopular position from a social standpoint right now, just like being a socialist would get you ostracized in many 1950s western countries.

Some ideas happen to be taboo at times which means you can't even discuss it without people refusing to do so for the simple reason that its a social faux pas to even talk about it