/cow/ - Lolpigs

>>180125

I'm a newfag to both the world of /cows/ and psychology, bear with me here.

On another note, how do learned responses play into cognitive dissonance and other psychological mechanisms in the disabled?

A lack of beatings as a child causes autism.

Or maybe it's rectal demons, not sure.

It's the Jews.

>>180131

>>180132

top kek

Do you seriously want to know?

Scientists have identified several genes that are known to contribute to autism, but it's not as simple as Mendelian genetics. Some of the genes are sex-determined (meaning that they influence the risk of autism in one sex but not the other), while others show incomplete penetrance (meaning that some people have a particular genotype associated with autism but are completely normal). Beyond that, autism as a whole shows a variance in expressivity; as you probably know, there are some autists who will spend the entire day groaning and banging their head against the wall, while others are savants.

Of course, there are also environmental factors. For instance, having a father over the age of 45 when the child is conceived increases the risk of autism significantly. Liking anime, mlp, and sonic probably contribute to it a great deal too. However, I'm pretty sure if a parent has a kid with mild-moderate autism and they treat them like a retard, (put them in special needs classes, treat them like they're severely autistic, etc) guess what? The kid will probably end up more autistic and retarded than if they had been molded into a normal human being through social ridicule and subsequent conditioning.

tl;dr its pretty much 50% genetics, 50% parents.

>>180185

>>180125

Too bad we don't have 'phag here any more; he loved to sperg about Simon Baron-Cohen's Systemizing-Empathezing theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing–systemizing_theory

>>180185

You can't force someone to like something they don't? Even if someone else beat the shit out of you in order for you to like the same shit they do, the most logical thing to do is to lie.

Living a lie is horrible, this is what I have done all my life and feels like crap, I don't understand how people like you cannot grasp the fact that different people like different things, how would you feel if being an autist was the norm? Would you hate yourself for not being like everyone else?

>>180355

Goy!

We better throw gold at it!

>>180246

> Ending a statement with a question mark

Spotted the tumblrfag

>>180185

>However, I'm pretty sure if a parent has a kid with mild-moderate autism and they treat them like a retard, (put them in special needs classes, treat them like they're severely autistic, etc) guess what? The kid will probably end up more autistic and retarded than if they had been molded into a normal human being through social ridicule and subsequent conditioning.

I'm p, sure Chris sort of nullifies this argument tho. I mean his parents pushed so hard to have him mainstreamed, even went as far as to move house and change school districts, and instead of actually turning out seminormal from being surrounded by normal people like you're suggesting, he… well… he became Chris.

>>180435

I kind of think that if Chris was a member of some kind of longitudinal study about autistics and the effects of various kinds of schooling on their ability to become functional adults that the absurd amount of trolling he's been subjected to would taint his data.

Just because he was an idiot when he was in community college and after doesn't mean that he couldn't have eventually gotten a low level job or something if his life hadn't been derailed by a bunch of crazy shit that is unprecedented and unique to him.

>>180437

I don't know, he already had his 'love quest' sign before anyone even paid him a bit of attention. He was acting like a total sperg already in other ways too which is what got the attention of the person who originally shared him online.

>>180435

I think the difference depends on the quality of the specialized education. Many public schools in the U.S. just put them all in a room and expect nothing out of them, oftentimes assigning them a 'paraprofessional' who doesn't even have any special training or understanding of intellectual disabilities. Obviously that doesn't yield good results.

However I have come across people with Downs Syndrome who I wouldn't even know had Downs Syndrome if it wasn't for the telltale physical characteristics, because they had quality education that helped them go beyond usual expectations for people with the same disorder.

>>180435

Just because they made a token effort doesn't mean it worked. Didn't Chris's parents outright discourage him from doing anything but sitting in his room collecting welfare?

>>180504

Also that. Education is bad enough dealing with normal kids nowadays, with anyone remotely outside the norm it's likely to become miserable.

Still remember that one school that was building an armoured closet to lock the autistic child in when the teachers decided he was too much trouble to deal with. (note; this makes everything much worse)

>>180507

I've had to deal with enough special needs kids to agree with what you're saying.

Specifically the whole "not understanding other peoples perspectives." In the daycare sort of shit I'd do, I could deal with literally any kids of any kind of disorder except autism.

The word gets slung around as just a generic insult now, but seriously, legitimately Autistic kids/young people are insufferable and you can always tell there's something off about them.

The way they talk, they way they lack self awareness, the real kicker is this kind of stuff combined with what the above posters are discussing.

On the one hand having shit like that just limits your ability to socialize and such with other people. But when you combine the lack of imagination, self awareness, understanding of social cues, with "everybody's a winner" parents you get some of the most insufferable pricks on the planet.

The whole

>He will start laughing like that person is an idiot because they think that everyone knows about the hidden object is in that one cup.

especially is just such a thing autists do. Like, the first reaction to them isn't curiosity as to why someone would think something else to what's obvious, no, it's to fucking laugh at them because of how retarded they think they are. Or just crashing a joke into the ground with no survivors well beyond a reasonable limit. I'm talking like taking five minutes to just run around and scream as they attempt to provide overly dramatic humor, despite people telling them to stop or even getting concerned.

I can't explain it completely or articulate it very well, the only real way I can say is that I've never enjoyed the company of someone severely autistic.

I've always just tolerated them at best, and I just really really hate dealing with them because this pussified society isn't allowed to slap some sense into them.

>>180185

>>180435

>Liking anime, mlp, and sonic probably contribute to it a great deal too

Terrible example, I know we like to rip weaboos, brony, sanic and other faggotry but heres the deal

That shit is mainstream, how come only a handful of fans are austimals?

I think that the current culture of supporting kids, "everybody is a winner" bullshit and that "there are no right opinions" has done more damage than anything else

In the past homo-assburgers had to man up and deal with that shit. They were still weird but managed to fit in somehow because it was either that or anhero, society didn't give a shit, your family didn't give a shit, even actual retards had a hard time.

But now? look at chris: his parents made an effort but didn't really pushed him to do anything with himself. His dad could've sent him to military school or even the army, something to force him out of his comfort zone and break him in into the real world.

But no, he was still sheltered as fuck, they would change him from school to school the moment somebody hurt his delicate feels. He was near 20 when pokemon came out and went to the fucking store and played with kids who were around 8

Visualize that shit, now realize he's in his mid 30s now, meaning that shit happened almost 15 years ago.

15 years of that shit going on unabated, why? why did his family allow such faggotry at all?

For the same reason they allowed all the previous faggotry that got chris to that point: they had to protect him from reality

This and only this is why we're having an assburgers epidemic

>>180125

It's a genetic mutation, and from what I can tell has something to do with how the hormones are released, as well as how the brain develops over time.

I'm an ASD case, but I was never diagnosed with it until late in my high school years, so by the time we came to the conclusion I had these quirks, we deduced I had grown out of it entirely, or that my parents didn't spoil and baby the shit out of me.

Thankfully, however, I act like a human being, and not like a retarded manchild.

>>180565

I know dude.

But its an interesting topic on why Autist gravitate to Nintendo, Sonic, mlp or furry.

My theory is that the other perception is big and the lack of imagination make them gravitate to these things.

Lets kinda face it, its a finished imagined world where they get what they want. Instead of other people whom reads a book and that's it, they don't need to

>>180745

Furries are a diffent breed: Many of them have serious spending cash because of STEM jobs and no families thanks to their 'tism. Or look at someone like Pamperchu: He guy has what, a MSc in Aerospace engineering or whatever. He could probably pull serious money if he wasn't a total sperg who wears readioactive diapers all the time.

>>180711

People with autism really didn't have a better time before modern day.

Now you've got a chance to get the help you need and try to integrate into society, back then you'd be lucky to not end up in an institution, a live in slave or homeless. Or depending on how far back you go, believed to be possessed by demons or a changeling and being abused until you ran away or died

You're quite the re-re OP.

>>180800

>zero-cocks bump

Hi /int*/!

>>180783

Depending on the severity of the 'tism, I can imagine that at least mildly autistic people wouldn't have had such a hard time back in the day. Especially if they were wealthy. If we're talking "OWWEEE OWEEE" - tier, then you're right though.

>>180776

>wears radioactive diapers all the time.

Is he an autistic person or is he completely insane person?

>>180871

But that's not how microwaves work.

>>180745

Yeah. But I feel like expanding on your theory a bit, since I've thought about this as well.

For the likes of Sonic, MLP, FNAF, and those types I theorize that it's based on two key factors. Simple base character design and characters that are just prop swaps (eg "this one is black" "this one has a hat" etc).

The simple character designs and inviting childish world invite the autist in as a means of escapism. But not escapism that can still challenge you mentally, it's all incredibly safe and sterile. It's childrens entertainment, not to say it's immature but it was made to be able to be digested by kids so things like overarching plots, foreshadowing, motifs, it's all there but in really small doses that kids just starting to think about these things will be able to pick up on.

Now, where does this all tie in? Simple.

They spend so much time and effort invested in these things that are ultimately unrewarding (you can't "get" anything out of analzying the story to Sonic or MLP. And it's consumable media, as in you aren't putting in any real effort to enjoy it. And before anyone cries foul at me because Sonic had the Genesis games, fuck you go play Alien Soldier and then tell me Sonic is engaging).

And it's like you said, it's "on a plate for them to grab." But the difference is that with these, they've attained an almost approval through the creators using very similar character designs.

It's not the creators fault really, using simplistic designs means things are going to be simplistic. But it also means it's piss easy for unimaginative autists to just smash things together or recolor things.

Remember Sonic recolors?

It never stopped, it just changed what was being recolored. How many things have an MLP version? That only happened because the character designs are prop swaps.

What I'm getting at is that if you make something with bright colorful characters simple enough and with enough that one of those flash character creators can be made of your work, you're going to attract turbo autism.

Don't believe me? Think of any example like this and then look how many Donut Steels there are.

>>180871

Dude it's a joke about his belief that microwaving used diapers is somehow sterilizing them (putting that STEM degree to good use). Of course he's insane given that his constant assault on his immune system probably had a hand in giving him cancer.

>>180507

I agree with you for the most part. There are exceptions among people on the lower end of the spectrum, but as someone with spergers, I fight these tendencies from time to time as well.

I don't agree with the imagination section. The brain of someone on the spectrum has it's logic/structure portions on supercharge, 24/7. Naturally, this means that their imagination often comes off as ordered and structured.

If you combine this with someone with zero self-awareness, and a low IQ, it will result in them being attracted to things that have a very structured design (Sonic, MLP, Anime, and Thomas the Tank Engine characters are very formulaic, which is why they're commonly attracted to them). You combine this with hyperfocus, a trait of autistics to obsess over things to unhealthy levels, and boom, sonic recolors.

It's not that they lack imagination: It's that their brain works in such a way that they cannot express that imagination in a regular fucking way.

>>180939

The autistic brain demands order.

When all of your characters are only slightly different looking than the other characters, with different colors, and they're all named "_" the "_", you've set up a goldmine for people with autism.

Why are autistic people attracted to pokemon? They're sorted by types and numbers.

Why are autistic people attracted to trains?

They all follow schedules and set purposes.

Why do autistic people love computers?

Because computers are entirely based on data structures.

It's not based on approval from the author, it's entirely based on the logical center of the autist brain.

Aspies aren't that different. They do tend to have higher IQs, and better self-awareness however. This is why they often go undiagnosed, while full blown autists are pretty much impossible to miss.

>>180743

Is there something special in the audiovisual styles of these shows, or depiction of character interactions?

I've read somewhere that Thomas The Tankengine is also an autist favorite because its minimal visuals, just the trains moving relatively slowly in the miniature world. Also not much soulds except the narrator and the some stock effects, predominantly the puffing sound. The trains' faces are simplified and expressive and the narrator always goes why certain characters feel the way they do and their motives, because the medium obviously doesn't allow any body language or things being implied from the context.

My personal theory thought is that they see the show adverts on the TV and people going batshit over the products and all they can tell is that that is actually the expected behaviour, so they copy it. I wonder if the behaviour changes with TV losing its significance.

>>180783

Vast majority of autists are not asylum-tier, and people like chris with his religious retardness would've been way better off in the 1950s than now

>>180939

>Alien Soldier

>generic 90s jap shooter

>you play as a space chicken

>somehow less shit than sanic

Of all the games for that console you had to go with that as a counter to sanic…

As for the rest of your theories, you're missing the point completely since you have a lot of 'tism with more "mature" shit

POPULARITY is key here, all the shit you mention is/has been wildly popular. There are lots of batman autists, why? because batman is fucking popular, same with halo and cowadoody, tons of spergs with that shit.

Look at FNAF: nobody is playing the fucking game, all the autism goes around this huge community of fucking kids watching reaction videos, reading shitty creepypasta and drawingand fapping toR34 porn of the characters. Its the hype, its the circlejerk-effect, its only appealing because its popular so spergs gravitate towards it.

Right now you can see how a similar situation is happening around undertale

various things can contribute to someone acting like a nutter on the internet, but at the end of the day it boils down to bad parenting and mental problems.

>>180964

psychotic or normal peoples imagination is often ordered and structured in its beginning phases it can often be unstructured, for example a painter that is into classical art uses structure and rules but goes of to have interesting colors or themes.

A novelist might come up with the story in his head and write down the good things about the story he is imagining. But its a structure there with the character traits and so on.

What I mean about the general autistic people having little imagination, is that they can do classical art but its really, really boring. its kinda generic almost like a copy paste. While if you see a psychotic person paint its detailed, weird, great structure and for the most part you can feel the paranoia or angst.

So the Autistic mind is always an interesting one, since they do have a masculine mind some evidence are showing more testosterone when they are born in the brain.

So its the ultimate male brain essentially, since they are into structures or systems that runs predictably.If something unpredictable happens its usually logical explanation to it.

>>180965

something all of these have in common the list, is that its based on a predictable systems, nothing is unpredictable by these systems. If something strange happens you can always, figure out why its happening.

>Aspies aren't that different. They do tend to have higher IQs, and better self-awareness however. This is why they often go undiagnosed, while full blown autists are pretty much impossible to miss.

I can't comment to much on this but I seen some people that have bitched that they have gotten the wrong diagnose in the mental health department. Because some have been diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder, while they claim to be aspies. I dunno maybe its a stigma to have a psychotic illness now a days?

I hope this helps a little bit more, btw I kinda wanna figure out and bring fourth a more detailed explanation on, the connection of Autism and these created fantasies.

Because there is more to it than that.

>>181345

I think you are in the right track, that its simplistic but it has also a easy to understand structure or systems.

Also there is the whole safe fantasy on a plate going on FNAF or whatever the fuck its called, its quite safe and easy to understand system since its only robotics and conveniently furry animals.

One can just look at the Autism in this.

>>181371

>maybe its a stigma to have a psychotic illness now a days?

It's always been that way, though there's a slight uptick in "treat and support" rather than what used to be done to the crazies.

Unless the psychotic illness is transgenderism, then it's "encourage to give into the delusions or you're a bigot terrible transphobe cis scum".

>>181376

yeah, but there are some psychotic illnesses that ain't that bad. They are functional when they are in treatment, so schizoid is a personality disorder that is kinda boring.

Just read about it.

I tried to make sense of the following conversation, but I'll just respond to the OP instead.

It's all in the name. They live in their own world. They perceive the world differently. Morally, Chris thinks homosexuality is objectively wrong. He can't motivate why, morally. He'll attempt to, but he can at best try to parrot what his parents said, and chances are they didn't have much reason other than "don't like it".

They think the world is the way people/stories have told them. They can't seem to update their world view based on their own experiences. When was the last time Chris made an exception to people on the internet being trolls? Men being evil?

He doesn't realize he's wrong when reality tells him so. It would mean change, something autistics abhor, so even if it somehow actually slaps him in the face in a way he can't ignore, he'll still shut it out.

>>181345

I'm not saying it wasn't mature but that it was a shit game

Like it or not the original sanic games were AAA for the 90s because sega needed them to sell the genesis, it was like GTA to the PS2, the 'it' game a lot of people bought the console for

Current sanic games are just cashgrabs, they have a fraction of a fraction of the budget of a AAA game

>>181375

Jesus.

>>181403

I beg to differ on AS being shit, but that's a discussion, which while I'd be happy to have, is more for /v/ and I don't really want to clog up this thread with it anymore if that's alright.

>Like it or not the original sanic games were AAA for the 90s because sega needed them to sell the genesis, it was like GTA to the PS2, the 'it' game a lot of people bought the console for

I know that man, I'm trying to say the genesis sonic games aren't all that difficult to beat, and that's a contributing factor to the autism attraction.

Not the only one though, as evidenced by this thread and the corrections people have made to my argument.

>>181408

If difficulty was a problem how do you explain starcraft spergs?

>>181434

Starcraft spergs are into the systems of the game or the mechanics, later on they go into the lore.

But I've only seen insane south Koreans when it comes to starcraft.

But let us talk about the game itself it has a set number that is totally logical and not irrational, its predictable not unpredictable, if something is unpredictable they go on a spergout on the blizzard forums and it get fixed.

Kinda why you see assfaggots now, that has stopped with starcraft since its too hard to macro n micro at the same time. But the key here is that its a fantasy on a plate, so they don't need to imagine shit.

>>181434

I feel like you keep going to things that I think you like and just want to bitch about the masses shitting up.

But fine, maybe I'm just fucking wrong, you know? And starcraft is a turbo autism magnet too on par with Sanic and MLP, so is batman and every other example because everything popular becomes one.

You bring up FNAF and Undertale because those examples stick out friend, I'm trying (pretty poorly) to pin down why people think of things like that as examples and not fucking starcraft and batman.

go to school or read the thousands of books on aspergers, and on retardation, and on all the other behaviors

you can have this information like right now

>>180185

>treat them like a retard, (put them in special needs classes, treat them like they're severely autistic, etc) guess what? The kid will probably end up more autistic and retarded than if they had been molded into a normal human being through social ridicule and subsequent conditioning.

Work with autists, can confirm. Treat them normally and they'll be at least partially normal. Treat them like retards and they'll be retards.

>>185054

Yet here I am, I fake an smile and fake liking nigger ball, yet deep inside I want all this people I work with fucking dead.

>>185054

That goes for all of humanity. People adapt to expectations. You can use propaganda to make people do things, by setting expectations on them. You will pierce your ears to put gold in them, because that's what pretty woman do. You will wear leather because it makes you a rebel and thus fit in… Some of these things make no sense. Yet they have effectively changed entire cultures. Asian Americans are expected to be good at math and get into good schools. So they do better in school. Jews to. Blacks are expected to do worse in school and be athletic. At one point boxing was the Jewish sport. Now the expectation is that Jewish kids won't be athletes let alone fighters. They will be rich white and nerdy, and you will try out for the school play. Have you seen the Jews in Israel? Totally different expectations, totally different results. Lower IQ scores, more athletes, much better dancers, a lot of sluts and dudebros. Basically they are now pale Mexicans with worse television. Seriously bad. Like the opposite of what you would expect from a nation of Jews.

>>185138

It's like dwarf fortress; you can't have an entire society of miners and blacksmiths, when you can't rely on other people to do everything else you gotta branch out into other thing to fill all the niches of society.

goddamn that was the nerdiest reference I've ever made

>>185054

That and if you treat people like retards then they'll never have any opportunity to do anything else. Why bother trying harder when people will applaud you for the bare minimum?

Though socialising autistic kids takes active effort too. Which of course, most schools don't want to do. Then again, some schools will put more money and effort into building armoured closets to shove autistic kids into when they're being difficult than in actually putting some effort in.

>>185054

Well honestly that is true for anyone. You raise someone like a retard, they become a retard. And if you raise someone good, they'll become good most likely

>>180743

>lack of imagination

I have a lot of imagination, I don't know where this "lack of imagination" stuff comes from. Do other aspies/autists really have little imagination?

About the Sonic and anime and downyshit thing, it's probably because they're very colorful and simple

>>180185

It's not about crappy feel-good nonsolutions.

It really comes down to relationships.

There's 3 major types of close social relationships:

- Family

- Friendship

- Romantic

Lacking close family relationships (for example, having a refrigerator mother who refuses to interact or care about you and just watches TV all afternoon and just wants to park you in front of TV and abandon her child or a dad who doesn't actually love or care about you at all and just goes through the motions to make his wife happy and whose only words are endless bitching and complaints) cripples you emotionally and makes it impossible for you to develop friend relationships.

Lacking friendship cripples you emotionally and makes you unable to deal with commitment and giving and receiving to other people and makes it impossible for you to develop romantic relationships.

>>185138

Shut up, Tex

>>199163

I think anon means creativity. As examples, Chris and Timbox are both very imaginative but you can also see that every idea they've ever had is incredibly and obviously derivative of someone else's work, and they they are often proud of this fact.

>>180185

>Liking anime, mlp, and sonic

Most of the people who like that are not autistics

……….but most autistics like that shit which is why you think there's a connection

>>199240

>refrigerator mother

I agree with you. Homosexuality is also a mental disorder and when hippies get pepper sprayed, at least they're getting a bath.

>>185054

I second this, I was diagnosed as "semi-autistic" when I was 6 (though I completely forgot about it and only learned of this recently). Growing up, I was bullied though out all of my education; I was a loner, loved video games, ect. I never understood why, I kept to myself; however now I understand that bullying is humanity's true cure for autism. I'm grateful that I wasn't treated as a special snowflake, as with this (and my will to improve myself) I got /fit/, I have a great job, a wonderful fiance, and a group of bros that I drink with on the weekends.

>>180435

My younger sister is an actual autist. Asperger-syndrome. Diagnosed, and all. She got a shitload of extra-attention due to it, yet didn't turn out a fucktard like Chris. She's getting along with most people she meets and is working on having a somewhat steady job, with the same success as many neurotypicals her age.

My theory: Bad parenting turns autists into insufferable cunts, not a lack of authority or having too much of it. My mother was always there to listen to our problems and tried her best to solve them. Can we say the same for CWC's parents? I doubt it very much. If his parents had sat down once to tell him that having a girlfriend isn't everything, or that he should be more careful about the shit he puts online, he would've drawn ten comics about it. Hence we know they never did. If you're that indifferent to what your child actually does and what his problems are, any attempt at actual parenting is bound to fail.

>>199277

You sound like you're me in a few years. I started working out last year and I'm studying law, and will pass my finals in a few months, after being a vidya-addicted autist for most of my life.

Only thing is, I'm not grateful I was bullied. Being grateful you've been bullied because it stopped you from being a complete faggot sounds to me like being grateful your job application got rejected because it helped you get a job. If bullying wasn't a thing, I wouldn't mind being a complete faggot, so why be grateful for bullying?

>>180776

Jack Parsons managed.

>>199242

Chris and Timbox are just run of the mill retards. Aspies are creative too. Not everyone of course but aspies can be creative too. Not impossible.

Aspergers doesn't affect that.

>>181371

>armchair psychologists