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No.204445
What are your turnoffs, /cuteboys/? We all have them, so let's post and discuss them. I'll get the ball rolling
>obesity. I'm okay with chubby, but when fat starts getting in the way of your cute penis, it ruins it for me
>smegma
>very hairy pubic areas
>S-stuttering when t-typing (there's a long and painful story as to why this revolts me, I'll share it if anybody's interested)
>guys in their 30s or later who are dominant
>people who post pictures of yelling anime characters while shouting using ==redtext== (jk <3 you Saint Louis-kun let's fug)
No.204465
>types using emoticons
>younger than me (21)
>>204445
>guys in their 30s or later who are dominant
This one is a turn-on for me. Other than that, I agree with you.
No.204473
Guys who try too hard to be feminine.
No.204474
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>not tolerant of my hobbies
>smelly
>when their political views make it seem like they're roleplaying some character
>hates cuddling
>old guys/bears who message me even after I specify I'm looking for cute guys
>obese
>smoking or drugs
>takes forever to reply (I guess I'm a bit clingy I admit)
>is edgy
Otherwise I'm not picky, I just really want a qt weeb/vidya bf to cuddle with and do lewd with and watch things with as he sits on my lap tbh
No.204477
People that are into low quality rap and the whole culture behind it are absolutely awful.
No.204483
>beards
>in the closet, won't hold my hand in public
>excessively clingy (having manic depression I often need space, for little to no reason other than I'm not feeling good; if someone tries to cheer me up while I'm in that really dark place I feel guilty and I can lash out)
>doesn't like to talk, or at the very least listen
>doesn't respect my hobbies
>looks at me funny when I say I'm not familiar with something he's talking about (usually music or something to that effect)
>makes fun of me/gets frustrated when I'm no good at a game he likes
No.204490
No.204495
>lots of hair
>feeling that I'm second to someone else
>significantly older than me (22)
>slow replies or half-hearted ones
No.204499
No.204500
>>204498
I'm your man.
I'm Anglo-Saxon, not a gook. I'm also not homosexual.
We could make it work.
No.204505
>>204498
>doesn't have his own car (an essential here in midwest America)
>isn't an artist or a musician
>is the same ethnicity as me (Asian-white mix)
lmao
those are some pretty weird turnoffs
No.204506
>>204490
Lets nake it worse!
Knabenmöse!
Knabenmöse!
Knabenmöse!
>>204445
major turnoffs are:
obesity of any kind.
Over the top hairyness
anywhom whos 2-3+ years older
Anywhom whos younger then me.
Cant keep his weebism for himself
lewd language in my native tongue, seems weird and forced.
LGBT pride.
>>204498
>self-loathing
>same ethnicity as me
I see a contradiction.
No.204511
>>204498
holy shit why did you even reply to me
kill yourself
No.204512
>>204498
>self-loathing
>is the same ethnicity as me
Gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8
No.204514
>>204505
That first point is more a red flag, I shouldn't have added that. But I really want an artsy or musical bf, and I don't prefer guys of my own race (which doesn't mean I hate myself, I have no problems with my own identity, >>204506). It's the same how many posters here don't like black guys; it's just a preference.
>>204510
>yet you fucking can't tolerate any body else's.
I did not say this though. I said if you excessively do something, as in it envelops a huge part of your life, and live anime or live video games like a livestyle that's when it's a turn off. Causally watching anime, playing vidya or other things like that every once in a while is cool though.
>>clingy, puts me on a pedestal instead of treating me like an equal
>"I CAN GET A VALENTINES GIFT FOR MYSELF!"
I never said this either. I don't want a guy to gush over me 24/7, but I also don't want a guy to abuse me like shit. Just equal
>>204511
Fuck dude I'm really sorry, I didn't mean to respond and I was not trying to attack you. I just opened the quick reply by clicking your post and forgot to delete your post number afterwards.
No.204531
>can't spell/textspeak
>overly dominant/arrogant/narcissistic/doesn't care about your feelings
>extreme meme-tier political views
>poor hygiene
That's it really
No.204533
>>204445
What a shitfestival of a thread you have created asshole
>>204490
>probably doesn't have a boypucci
>>204498
>txt speak, s-stutter speak, excessive emoticons
Why do so many people hate cute speech? :3 :P ;) >.< ^_^
>isn't an artist or a musician
So someone with no money then? Who is more likely to be a shithead and drug user with no real place he is going to go in life?
>excessively weeb or vidya
You are in the wrong place pal
>doesn't tolerate my interests and hobbies
yet >" buys unnecessary non-essentials (loot crates, junk food, pop, event t shirts, etc.)"
is a turn off? You know not everyone has to have the same fucking hobbies as you. Unless you want to date a copy of yourself you narcissist
No.204550
Hairy people and people older than 27.
No.204552
>>204533
>Implying the red flags for boys thread wasn't a complete shitstorm.
No.204566
>Obesity
>Hairy as fuck
>Old
>Not young
>6'+
>Too many masculine traits
No.204619
>too old
>too hairy
>cigarette smoker
>daily drunk alcoholic
>bad smell (I like clean and sweaty guys, but not 7-days-no-shower or did-poop-didn't-wipe smell)
>wants to talk about politics all the time
>wants to talk about celebrities ever
>not white or asian
>too dominant (I am dom and not looking for someone to argue with)
>not a furry
>only interested in vanilla sex
No.204623
>smokes
>does drugs
>overly hairy
>obese
>way older than me
and most of all
>alchoholic
No.204624
Most of all, nails. If your nails are chewed up and they disappear into your skin halfway through like you're a fucking ogre, I am not looking in your direction twice.
It's disgusting.
No.204625
>>204623
oh, oh, i forgot one which instantly makes me lose all interest in them
>plays ALOT of CS:GO or dota 2
No.204626
>>204533
>So someone with no money then?
well i wouldnt say that, i earn a decent wage from being a musician.
No.204668
>Taller then me
>Doesn't like motorcycles
>Doesn't like cars
>Doesn't have any hobbies at all
>Bushy Eyebrows
>Short hair
>Doesn't brush teeth
>Smells like shit
>Doesn't want to do anything
>Clingy
>Texts me every 5 seconds
>Hairy
>Doesn't shave pubic hair
>Tumblr/sjw
>Any LGBT garbage of any kind
>Doesn't like hand holding or public displays of affection
>Rap music
>Pop music (Literally every gay guy likes this and it's fucking annoying)
>Cigs,E-cigs, Vapes of any kind (No I don't want to go to the vape store so you can circlejerk with other vapers and bullshit about how yours tastes like bobcat semen)
>Brony shit
>Fat
No.204673
This sounds fun.
> Fat
> Hairy
> Talking two octaves higher than your normal voice
> Shit taste in music
> Shit taste in film
> Not caring about intl. politics
> Drugs are bad m'kay
> Sucking at math and/or computers
> Console peasants
> Giving a shit about astrology
> Not respecting anime
No.204676
>>204498
You sound like an asshole.
No.204687
No.204778
I'll stick with sexual/physical things, because if I wanted to list everything I'd basically just be paraphrasing the wiki page on humans.
>Any body or facial hair
>Large penis (like more than 7-8")
>Circumcised
>Girly dress/hair/makeup
>Any body type other than ideal/skinny or slightly toned
>"Pure" racial features (I prefer mixed)
>Clothing that clearly places a guy into a clique or type
>Any piercings or large tattoos
>Really faggoty behavior
No.204780
>>204778
>tfw 8.5" dick
why live
No.204794
>>204778
>Any body or facial hair
>Any body type other than ideal/skinny or slightly toned
>"Pure" racial features (I prefer mixed)
>I'll stick with sexual/physical things, because if I wanted to list everything I'd basically just be paraphrasing the wiki page on humans.
This is why you're still a virgin, people.
No.204819
>this thread
Holy shit now I know why I've been alone all my life. Most everyone wants someone who doesn't exist.
I want someone who is kind and who takes care of themself. Someone who is affectionate. Someone who is understanding and who forgives as i forgive. Preferably someone who has lived as I have lived, who has suffered at the hands of others yet lives life and has/wants a career that will benefit the greater good.
I hope I'm not asking for too much
No.204820
>>204819
you arent asking for too much anon, i want the exact same thing, and sex doesnt even have to be a thing, i just want someone to love.
No.204857
No.204881
>old
>too hairy down there
>fat
>smokes
>drugs
No.204898
>>204896
>cannot see anything other than dicks or vaginas.
If youre nto a guy why youre even here then?
No.204901
>>204668
guys like this turn me off
No.204910
>scared of wilderness / city people
For fuck's fucking sake, it's just trees and grass and shit.
No.204914
>>204794
I lost my virginity at 12. "Still single" would have been more correct.
No.204915
>>204896
Wow dude, you need to chill out and go see a therapist. You seem awfully hung up on gender so much so that you can't see that "Dude, bro, man" aren't even referring to your gender.
No.204924
>>204896
So you cannot tolerate femininity in him but he needs to perfectly tolerate your clearly unclear ideas about your gender?
"tumblr-tier understanding"?
What does that mean? Very low real knowledge but super high special snowflake-fairy-tier fit-my-needs understanding?
Fuck, you can't even tolerate a skin color mang, not even race, just the color
I couldn't really make up my own list for this thread but now I have one
>terribly intolerant who expects endless toleration towards himself
So basically don't be a bitch
Don't take it personally, if you can.
No.204929
>>204904
>both but born male.
>born male.
So you have an x and an y chromosome,
male phenotypes (which come after the brainstuff anyway) and a male gonadale, but somehow identifie with both genders on a psychological level, be it because of a hormone imbalance (a.k.a disability) or mental illness?
This is still just about dicks and vaginas,
(A flat way to say biology)
because its only your perception of these, that seems absolutely distorted.
Dude, you shouldnt be offended by the fact that not everybody has an insight into your irrational delusions, it will inevitably create uncomfortable situations for you.
(As when someone calls you out on your obvious gender)
So the error might not lie with the others but with you. Seek help, take testestorone, whatever man.
No.204934
>>204915
>trans acquaintance
>come online, they message me
>reply "ey bruv"
>they flip the fuck out about being misgendered
>block them
>trannies wonder why nobody likes them
I don't have an issue with respecting pronouns and shit but like, come the fuck ON
No.204937
>fat and hairy
>don't like it but put up with myself because taking care of it is expensive and nobody else will be seeing it
>when I have anywhere I get ingrown hairs which get infected and then scar
>even if I lose weight I'll have stretchmarks
>this thread
t-thanks guys
No.204939
Man this thread is painful to read.
No.204944
>>204937
>fixable
>excuse
>fixable
>not that big of a deal
Everybody has body issues, if you aren't happy with your body, than make the changes to your lifestyle that will fix it.
Also, think about the fact that the population of people that post on this board is so infinitesimally small compared to the population of the rest of the world, that the views here certainly don't reflect the views of the world at large. And of course most people here are going to be into people who are skinny and hairless. That's what this board is dedicated to.
Just remember, everybody is somebody's fetish.
No.204949
>>204896
I've called girls I know "dude" or "bro."
Get over yourself bro, people like you are the reason why trans people aren't accepted, because everyone feels they have to walk on eggshells when just looking in your general direction.
No.204951
>Acts flamboyantly faggy
>doesn't talk
>stupid
>leftist/dumblr/sjw
>not my race or close (white)
>is antifuns
No.204969
>>204951
>tfw a generally silent dumbass
No.204972
>>204668
>Doesn't like hand holding or public displays of affection
I couldn't.
No.205275
I am a 6'4 morbidly obese bifag whose only shaven bodypart is his asshole and whose hair is glorious, wavy, golden blond and so long I often sit on it. Which hurts my neck, because landwhale. I'm actually rather proud of my stature as alpha fat in my area. I am chill as fuck, smoke weed but not tobacco, I drink from time to time. I League but play for fun, I've never cared if someone is shit, unless they don't take advice on how to git gud. I like immature jokes. I usually smell like sweat and nut musk. My fave thing is not wearing clothes and being fat all over my qt3.14 gf, whose very presence in my life is a blessed perplexity to me. I also DM a small DND group. I love roleplaying, and roleplaying games. I am inherently sub, but enjoy the occasional dom play, especially the parts where I envelop puny people in my squishy, hot, bear hug embrace and gnaw affectionately on their necks while they squirm in my lap begging for my fat-consumed dick.
BOYBITCHES PLEASE, CONTAIN YOUR VOMITS OR ORGASMS
No.205354
>>204972
I couldn't, either. I dislike touching or being touched by anyone except for sexual partners. Touching also means we're going to have sex right now.
So unless this guy wants me to drag him behind some bushes and start going as soon as he grabs my hand, all affection stays in the bedroom.
No.221385
I'm only into white guys.
Black guys are ugly and have bad skin, asian guys are too twinky and arabs are too quiet. Only white guys can be assertive and dominant without being obnoxious.
No.221390
>>221385
> asian guys are too twinky
Aww maaaan…
No.221394
>>221390
Are you UK asian or ACTUAL asian, as in chinese/japanese etc?
My problem with "oriental" asians is they're super rare in the UK and it's next to impossible to find a masculine one and even if you did chances are he's like 5"5 and built like a 10 year old boy. "Brown" asians have the body and they're numerous enough, but very few of them are intimidating enough to make me feel submissive.
The biggest thing I look for in a man is that he can make me feel submissive, if you can do that and you're not black then I'll go weak at the knees for you.
No.221399
Turnoffs, oh yeah…
>>Psychologically instable
>>stuttering
>>can't handle money (I'm not interested in financial liabilities for a relationship)
>>obese / bad hygiene
>>not interested in weeb stuff of some kind at all (why bother if we don't share interests?)
>>divas / cuntboys
No.221400
>skinny and shaved
>any race other than black
>small cock
>uncircumcised
>likes anime
I can probably go on but I wont.
No.221401
Has anyone in this thread ever had a boyfriend?
I imagine having as many turnoffs as some of you people would make it impossible to find a lover, let alone be somewhat likable in the first place.
No.221403
>>221401
No. But my only big turnoffs are race as mentioned here >>221394 and the only one I absolutely would never fuck is black guys so it's not that I'm super picky. I prefer a guy to have body hair, to have a normal sized cock, to be a little bit clingy. I know I'm fucked up in the head, so I deserve someone also fucked in the head.
No.221418
>>204623
>>204474
>>204673
>>204881
>drugs
>turnoff
How can this possibly be a turnoff.
I'll admit, I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with an addict but light to moderate drug usage in a safe and healthy dosage is fine.
No.221446
Wow I guess I'm pretty simple then.
>Is a political extremist
>Not open to new ideas / never accepts being proven wrong
Other than that I don't really mind a lot of things. My boyfriend and I are opposites in a lot of ways, but we really connect when it comes down to it. That's what I want, a connection. Someone to care about me and vice-versa.
He could get fatter, thinner, lose his hair whatever. Doesn't really matter to me as long as he's still him. I've given all types a chance.
It probably helps that his dick is fucking amazing and curves perfectly.
No.221447
>All these drug turnoffs
>tfw pot is the only thing I know of that can help me with my insomnia
No.221451
>Overweight
>Clingy
>Hyperweeb
>Depressed
>Caring about my shitty taste in music
>Caring about my shitty taste in movies
I don't listen to music or follow the music scene, why would you expect me to have a well refined taste in music! Same goes for movies.
No.221454
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In order of disgust, I will start with the worst and work my way down:
>islam(if your into that pedo prophet ramblings you should kill yourself)
>shit skins, if you look like an islamist(pubes on your face and looking like a dirty hobo) kindly bugger off
>if you don't work out you are less then shit to me, shit is still better then islamist but only by a margin
>if your one of those people that say about islamists 'they are not all bad' or 'I met some rly nice ones' etc I will not be able to abstain from hitting you
No.221460
Turnoffs
>too controlling
**except sexually controlling*
>lazy/doesn't take care of themselves including drugs, smoking. Alcohol is ok so long as its not excessive
That's pretty much it. And quite a bit can be fixed
No.221462
>>221460
Also
>needs to be white
>no jews or Islam
No.221509
>>221454
>>221462
>Gay Islamists
those exist?
No.226790
>>204969
>Lived off the 'it is better to be silent and thought a dunce than to open your mouth and remove all doubt' rule for my entire life
>Nobody thought to tell me that you look stupider if you say nothing, than if you say something and turn out to be wrong.
No.226792
When I get whiny and my master doesn't immidiately smack me upside the head.
No.226794
>>204445
>guys in their 30s or later who are submissive
I guess we have different perceptions of it.
No.226795
>>226792
That actually sounds pretty embarrassing tbh. How old are you?
No.226797
>>226795
It's a joke, but sometimes I do get in a complaining mood and I really wish he'd smack my butt and tell me to shut up.
No.226799
No.226835
>normalfaggotry
>shit hygiene
>shit taste in video games (enjoying League of Legends is an instant disqualification)
>shit piercings
>shitty personality
No.226877
>Doesn't drink, but smokes weed (this triggers my autism)
>Boys taller than 5'10 anything more and they wouldn't have to come up on their tippytoes
>Abs why would you ruin a perfectly good tummy
>Anyone that has AIDS or wants AIDS
>Anyone that whored themselves
>Brown people unless you're okay with being called a stupid nigger that should be hanging in a tree
And to a lesser extent
>Circumcised cuteboy cocks
No.226879
>dresses like a girl
>tries to be cute by acting like a child
>bad at math
>bad grammar and spelling
>refers to any part of their body as their "pussy"
No.226905
Are we talking about sex or relationship?
Sex:
>doesn't fuck me like a whore
>tries to kiss me (stop doing that, we ain't dating!)
Relationship
>doesn't share my world views
>doesn't want a public relationship (I ain't your closet-bitch, bitch)
>smokes
No.226918
>>204820
You little qt
>>226790
Aye m8 allowing evil (or dumbcunt) acts to occur is the same as being evil or a dumb cunt etc
No.226929
>>226905
Sometimes I feel like the only person who views kissing as a purely sexual thing.
No.226958
>>226929
You might very well be… to me it's a show of affection and there's nothing sexual about it.
No.226961
No.226974
>>226877
>or wants AIDS
Why on earth? (Well, I know there are people who are willing to cut their genitals but getting AIDS is something even more extreme)
No.226980
>>226974
Are you seriously just now learning about this degeneracy? I envy you.
No.226982
>>226961
you can't get cooties from other boys, anon
No.226983
>>226982
oh yeah, i forgot. you can only get aids. never mind.
No.226993
>eating meat, eggs and dairy
tfw no slim vegan cuteboy
No.226994
No.226995
>>226994
hahahaha enjoy being a fatty
veganism is the key to eternal cuteboyism
No.227007
>>226974
Requesting screenshot of gay forums detailing about bug chasers and shit
No.227008
>>227007
This sounds like something old gay guys who can't get any would do out of spite.
No.227010
>>226995
I'm not fat and veganism is stupid.
No.227011
>>227008
Reading this makes me so sad. Those people should be publicly executed.
No.227020
>>226929
I also think kissing a sexual thing. It is the most important element of hot sex if you ask me…
No.227022
This one happened today:
>Meet guy online
>Arrange to meet up for coffee
>We're in his place 10 minutes and he's getting all touchy feely
I guess this is what it feels like to be a girl when a guy gropes your butt. I always thought they should take it as a compliment but it doesn't feel nice to have a stranger unexpectedly running his hands over you.
No.227066
>doesn't look enough like a girl
that is literally my only one tbh
No.227070
My biggest turnoff has to be balding, hands down.
No.227086
>tries acting overly cutesy to the point of being vomit inducing
If you have ever used "=3" and meant it, I genuinely think some sort of genocide against whatever group you may belong to is justifiable.
No.227088
>>227022
Genuinely wondering here, but you're back at his place already. How slow does someone need to go?
No.227094
>rude
>bad hygiene
>super fat
>narcissism
>super old
>only interested in normie shit like clubbing
>unironic text speak/can't spell
>has had sex a lot
No.227100
>>227088
Anon, I'm not talking about a hand on your leg I'm talking about full on face/hair molestation like some rapist eyeing up his prize.
No.227102
No.227103
>>226929
>>227020
Now I know to never have sex with a Danish guy if I don't like kissing.
No.227107
No.227110
>>227086
I'm more bothered when they end their sentences the way this one ends~
No.227429
>>204445
>there's a long and painful story as to why this revolts me, I'll share it if anybody's interested
post it
No.227438
>not well endowed (i want him to be able to hurt me when he wants to, and I want to be intimidated by his cock)
>not dominant, demanding and aggressive
>under 6' or 200# (I'm 5'11 190 and need him to be larger than I am)
>not muscular
>not masculine
>not intelligent
No.227440
No.227447
>>204668
>Pop music (Literally every gay guy likes this and it's fucking annoying)
fucking this
tfw have a cute boyfriend that listens to king crimson and mark knopfler with me
No.227448
>>227440
I don't think so, that would be weird
But it's good to know I'm not alone
No.227449
>>227447
>>204668
>Pop music (Literally every gay guy likes this and it's fucking annoying)
Oh really? Then why do I listen almost exclusively to Current 93 and Nurse With Wound?
>>227448
If you grow three inches and lose 35 pounds then you really are me.
No.227450
>>227449
cause you're not a gay normie
No.227456
>>227449
>Then why do I listen almost exclusively to Current 93 and Nurse With Wound?
Because you're a hipster faggot?
I mean really, those are some faggot ass band names.
No.227459
>>227456
They are as far from hipster faggot bands as you can get. The names are terrible but they have some really incredible music. Current 93 is apocalyptic Chritian music and Nurse With Wound is what would have happened if surrealism were a musical movement.
No.227460
>>227459
>as far from hipster faggot bands as you can get
>if surrealism were a musical movement
sounds like hipster trash 2 me too
No.227461
>>227456
>literally judging a band because of its name
No.227462
>>227460
Steven Stapleton has been a pretty important person in experimental music since the early '80s, so it certainly isn't trash.
No.227474
>>227102
What are you, gay?!
No.227481
>>227474
Liking girls is gay.
No.228276
Sex turnoffs:
>any hint of poop smell – unrecoverable
>if I feel less than squeaky clean myself
>feeling under pressure to cum
>excessive sweat, bodies sticking together
>pimples or hair on butt
Relationships turnoffs:
>neediness, clinginess, messages all the time with nothing to say
>gets political/social views from imageboard memes
>no ambition or passion in life
>Disney® monogamous-soulmates-forever-after delusion
No.228294
>>228276
>any hint of poop smell – unrecoverable
How can you be that picky? It actually gets kind of pleasant after a while.
No.228298
>not white or hispanic
>leftist
>talks with a faggy lisp
>passive-aggressive
>has a smaller penis than I (I am an exclusive top, but I have a fetish for twinks with huge cocks)
>promiscuous
>interested in vapid shit like clubbing
No.228324
I have a lot of turn offs, but I can overlook them if I really like a person.
No.228451
Physical:
>Mild gay voice (a little more singsong or musicality to one's voice than your average guy) can be cute, but if it crosses into full-on lisp mode, it's annoying
>Obesity
>Bad hygiene
>Lots of hair (some OK)
>Old (31+)
>STIs or STI-seeking behavior (refuses condoms)
Mental:
>Drug use, heavy drinking
>Passive aggression
>Arrogance, especially when they have no valid reason to be that way (know-nothing-know-it-alls)
>Super-clingy or super-distant
>Vapid; doesn't appear to have any brain
>Dishonest, manipulative, abusive
>Get the sense that a person is wearing a mask or acting artificially
>Crossdressing
>Heavy BDSM or other bizarre kinks
Political:
>Pridefags/Tumblr
>"I'm not gay, I just like dick."
>Anyone who thinks their political ideology is a panacea that will solve all problems, especially leftists
No.228470
>>228451
>Old (31+)
nigga that isn't old.
No.228471
>>228470
Old in comparison to me, yes.
No.228482
>>228471
idk, I'm 18 but I wouldn't consider 31 to be old.
No.228535
>NEET
>can't respect boundaries
>total pothead
>hairy or fat
>SJW/tumblr beliefs
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Some of these aren't even complete dealbreakers, just thing's I'd rather not have to deal with.
As for pot, I've just been around too many people who smoke way too often, so it's just turned me off to the whole thing. I've done it before (and will likely do it again) but never often.
No.228558
>>228482
I suppose it's somewhat old if you're a top and find a bottom who's that age? I dunno
No.228561
>>228482
You're way more tolerant than I am of age, then. I normally go +/-5 years as the cutoff for when it starts getting awkward.
Might I make an exception based on the guy? Sure.
No.228766
>>228276
>excessive sweat, bodies sticking together
youre a sad sad person
No.228779
>>228561
I don't really find myself attracted to guys who are my age.
No.228782
>body hair
But you know… I'll help you shave if you help me.
No.228844
Here are my turns off
>guys that play video games
>people who get tired from college work (this is really unsexy guys)
>people who can't drive or won't drive because they are scared, also anyone without a car (motorcyclists also a turnoff)
>NEETs, I don't even make friends with NEETs, they are terrible people.
>people who smoke or drink
>uneven body hair
>moles, especially on face or arms
>RED HAIR AUGGHHH
>not from my country, this one is kinda unfair but I really don't like people who aren't from USA
>gay voices
>asians
other than that I'm pretty forgiving though
No.228846
>>228844
Sooo…. just about every one here. Okay
No.228847
>>228844
You are not going to be happy anytime in your life.
No.228854
No.228862
>>228847
I got a boyfriend that makes me happy tho
after I made him give up gaming we've had like zero problems
No.228869
>>228862
>I made him give up gaming
You're an asshole.
No.228943
I never knew there were so many fucking assholes on this board. Like you some of guys have some harsh standards and seem very bitter about it.
Anyways, Here's my turn offs:
>Edginess (I absolutely hate try hards.)
> isn't interested in at least something (gaming, music, whatever. Just have a interest in something)
>old dudes
>obese dudes
>people who go out of their way to be dicks to other people
>overly hairy bodies. (I like some body hair but not excessive)
Just in general, be a nice and genuine person, and I'll most likely like you. I hope that's not too much
No.228951
>>204924
pretty much sums this whole fucking board and how people look about dating.
No.228960
>>228943
I think a lot of people are just putting their preferences instead of things that genuinely turn them off. Or at least I hope…
No.228964
>>228943
>no interests
Holy shit this.
No.228984
>>221403
my biggest turnoff:
>has fucked niggers or dreams of it
No.228985
>>221509
well they seem to want to rape everything that moves "it's not gay if I'm the one fucking and not being fucked" seems to be common thing with shitskins
No.229003
Total lack of love. All the times I go into some sort of story thread to fap and read something like
>went to craigslist
>found a random dude
>he was ugly and I didn't like him but I just wanted his cock
Boner lost.
You 3DPD traps aren't much better than 3DPD women in the end.
No.229076
>>204445
>Obesity as OP said
>My height or taller
>Far left political views (I can deal with slightly left of center)
>An abundance of pubes/body hair
>Poor hygiene (Doesn't brush teeth, wash hair, etc, etc)
>Deep voice
>Drug addict
>Overly emotional about everything
>Old men in wigs
>Lacking in any talents or interests/doesn't work
If it sounds like I have high standards, it's because I do. Though I also hold myself to high standards, meaning that literally every turn off I just listed, I myself don't do.
No.229078
>>229076
>every turn off I just listed, I myself don't do
>My height or taller
Sure mate
No.229086
>>228782
I want this so bad.
Help with body hair I mean, getting my butt and back is difficult
But Link too I guess I mean who wouldn't
No.229089
>>229086
How do you shave your butt, anyway? I've never tried it, but I would like to know how exactly it is done. Also, I'm very glad I don't have back hair
No.229096
>>229089
Oh I don't have much back hair, just around my lower body, which is where most of my body hair is anyway.
Usually when it comes to my butt I have to turn around to see or just feel around, then it's like shaving any other body hair. I usually do it in the shower.
No.229098
>>229096
Do you do it standing up or what?
No.229099
>>229098
Not him, but I kind of have to do it standing up since there's no baths in the dorms. If I had the money, I'd look into just lazoring it off.
Butt hair is gross.
No.229100
>>229099
>just lazoring it off
Is that permanent? If so, that sounds appealing. I've heard that not having hair there helps to not have to use as much toilet paper (and time) in the bathroom, so it sounds worth it just for that.
No.229102
>>229098
Yup, standing up. I wanna get some kind of mirror for my shower so I can see what I'm doing, generally I just feel around, so it takes a while.
No.229103
>>229102
It seems like it would be easier if you're squatting or on your back or something.
No.229104
>>229103
It does until you try that, it's harder than you'd think.
No.229468
>>229100
I also want to know this
No.245540
>>204445
People that dont have dicks
IM THE GAYEST ONE HERE AND YOU CANT DO ANYTHING TO STOP ME
No.245584
>>221454
AHAHAHAAH,VERY CHEEKY COMING FROM A FUCKING GYPSIES,I GUESS YOU WILL HAVE TO RULE OUT THE SLAVES TOO SINCE ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY DOESN'T LOOK DOWN ON THE BEARD.
BTW AS A BOSNIAK IM FUCKING WHITER THEN YOU FAGGOT.
No.245606
>>204474
>when their political views make it seem like they're roleplaying some character
what does that even mean
No.245623
No.245648
Calling me a girl. It's one thing to crossdress and act "girly", but come on man, we both have dicks and balls.
I'm a virgin and I've had this issue already
No.245659
>all this body hair hate.
>tfw I'm a bear.
>tfw it's a turn off for /cuteboys/
>feelsbadman.jpg
No.245694
>>245659
Don't worry about it too much, anon. There are plenty of qts that prefer hairy bearish guys.
No.245695
My main turnoff is manlets. Now I'm not saying if you're not a muscular 6 foot adonis I won't look at you. I'm talking about guys under 170 cm who have that weird manlet frame: short limbs, small child-like body that contrasts weirdly with their adult-sized head.
Idk man, I can't really see myself being topped by such a guy.
No.245700
>>245659
my boyfriend is a pretty hairy bear and while he keeps his genital region trimmed I love how hairy his body is compared to how smooth and shaved my own is. Nothing like resting your head and arm on a warm hairy chest while watching netflix
I didn't think I'd like it either before getting to know someone but it's one of my favorite things now, people here who haven't had a relationship yet need to be careful to keep an open mind about what they perceive as a turnoff and not get too lost in their own heads as I was in danger of doing. Things that seem like big or absolute turnoffs or turnons might turn out not to be as big a deal in practice.
No.245704
When dicks are darker than the rest of the body.
No.245722
>>204445
Faggots. People who act like a faggot for attention. Act like a normal human being you asshole.
Fat but hairless. I am fine with fat but not with hairless fat.
I am not very picky though. Most important is personality.
Also fuck you all i aint holding your fucking hand or kissing you in public. People should keep thier affection for the bedroom especially if your gay. Annoying other people is not cool.
No.245724
No.245730
>earrings
>tattoos
>shaved side of the head
>masculine voice
>>204474
>smelly
I knew a cute guy who was smelly. It used to irritate me, but then I got used to his smell and started liking it.
I miss that smell.
>>228844
>moles
Fuck you, moles are cute as fuck.
No.245731
>Any kind of overweight. Doesn't matter whether it's just slightly or grotesquely
>Any kind of body hair
>When they associate body hair with manliness. I think it's just disgusting
>Short head hair or completely buzzed heads
>Tops or Bottoms
>Bi-curious/self-proclaimed dick loving straight guy
>Promiscuity
>Balding. I don't like to exclude guys because of something they can't control but I can't get over it
>When they have no standards whatsoever
>Smoking
>Drinking lots of alcohol
>Too many piercings
>Long finger and toe nails
>Feet fetishists
>Traps, Crossdresser and MTFs. I love androgyny, but trying to be like a woman is where I draw the line
>Cuckolding. Fortunately, that is not a big thing among us Homos.
>Likes Hip Hop
>Is not interested in romantic stuff and only into rough sex. I prefer sweet and passionate with lots of kissing and cuddling
>Doesn't want a relationship
No.245734
>>204445
The only turn off I really have is smelling really bad and guys that talk about their exes a lot.
No.245740
>>245738
Being a switch is the way to go.
No.245743
Males turn me off but I want to suck cock and get fucked what's wrong with me lol
No.245744
No.245752
>>204445
>fairies/queens
>poor hygiene
>the stuttering, keyboard emoji things and asterisk shit in text. Its especially cringey if you're a bearish and/or older guy.
>no sense of humour
>too serious
>edgy
>too big, I like chub but no fatties
>too skinny, I dont wanna fuck a skele you bony lil poof
>SJW/LGBT mong
>self-centred
>too young (18)
>too old (over 30)
>weebs. You will never be Shitake Anal-kun the magic schoolboy who becomes head cheerleader just like you wont survive TNT to the face like Yosmite Sam. Its fake. They're fictional cartoons
>spergs. I dont give a fuck which console is better I bought it so I can play games with my friends.
>unable to accept other political views
>arabs and currynigs. From Morocco to the border of Myanmar. Preference and experience
>too clingy. I dont mind a bit clingy
>shit replies, make an effort
>boypucci and clit
>NEET
>People who wont make an effort to better themself. I'd rather spend the rest of my life with a failure who tried 20 times before giving up than with one of those "Hey man my bills are paid and I got a few bucks at the end of the month"
>curious straightfags who just wanna rub willies. Gtfo cunt I wanna lick a sweaty scalp while ravaging a butt.
>Sadfags. Everyone needs to vent and everyone feels shitty at times but I cannot be bothered with these self pitying losers who just mope around all day cause they're "depressed" Fuck up
>unwilling to try new things and/or accept my hobbies and interests.
>people who just wanna lounge around all day
>Practising christians. The only reason the church says its okay to be gay is to keep the money rolling in.
Theres probably more that I'll remember later. That last one isnt anti christian. Muslims are spasmos, I wont touch a hindu or sikh cause currynig and idk about jews I dont like their noses or scams. Unless I'm getting a few shekels
No.245783
>>245752
>dat first pic
I'll take one #2, please.
No.245785
>>245752
Except for the Arab part, this
Also I think religious guys are fine as long as they aren't fundamentalists who think faith is a super important part of their identity.
No.245788
>fat
>hair
>lgbt pride bullshit
Ye thats pretty much it.
No.245816
>>245783
might have more idk.
Nah got these though. These guys are kinda hunky
>>245785
like I say arabs and currynigs are real shits round here. Everyone else is fine, whitey, East Asian, blacks, Americans although the fat white american lives up to the stereotype
>I CANT WORK THIS MUNNEE!
Also the thing that annoys me regarding religion is the hypocrisy of it all and the way its like "Our [insert religion] brothers are being killed abroad!" yet you killed your "brothers" for being gay even though its up to your god to judge. Then theres picking and choosing certain factors of their religion
and the earlier example.
No.245838
>>204668
am i allowed to like pop music if i also listen to like speed metal and grime and really intense scary music too
No.245843
>fat
>black
>not a weeb
>not feminine
>leftist or far right winger
>muslim
>christian
>fedoras
>brony
>stds
>drugs
No.245854
>fat
>body hair (i can deal with some pubic hair/arm hair but smooth is preferred)
>Older than 30
>excessively political
>excessively gay, any kind of lisp/femininity and you can fuck right off
>small dick, I want someone with at least 7 inches
>poor hygiene
>SJW's
>prideparade fags
>excessively religious
>non-ear piercings
>not musical
>depressives, whether by good luck or my upbringing I actually don't know what depression feels like. Hence when I suggest how people can make themselves feel better and get told it's "not something that can be fixed" I get incredibly pissed off
>no interest in at least one of my hobbies (music, anime, ttwg's, RPing etc)
No.245875
>>245752
>Sadfags. Everyone needs to vent and everyone feels shitty at times but I cannot be bothered with these self pitying losers who just mope around all day cause they're "depressed" Fuck up
This gets old REALLY fast.
No.245975
>>245875
Yep.
>Hey how are you
>Oh I'm okay……..I guess
>Whats up
>Nothing……Well…..Everything
>Aww come on, dont be like that. Lets talk
>Mmmmmm n-nah. I dont wanna talk about it….
Well man the fuck up you sack of shit jesus christ I just wanna get my dick wet.
No.246064
No.246070
When they are the histrionic type who think acting girly means yelling, talking loud and acting like a spoiled cheerleader. Act your age, at least in public for fuck sake.
No.246089
>>246070
hey nice flag, Mexico is the best
No.246097
If you're a brony or a furry I will fucking crucify you and set fire to the cross.
Trannies and anyone who sports LGBT pride or, god forbid, "gaymurr XDD" shit are pretty god damn terrible too.
"speakin lik dis fam smh tbh XDDDDD," into the trash can.
Now there's a thin line between being a bro to talk about anime like Jojo with, and then there's HATSUNE MIKU NANI DESKA DESUUUU NE~, and it's that one of them is cool and the other should fuck off.
Keep yourself clean. Shave your face, shower regularly. Do your hair.
Being older than 20 (I'm 18) is a turnoff for me, it's just weird past that point. Not a huge issue but still weird.
No.249052
>>221447
don't worry anon, I wouldn't hate you if you smoke pot
Here's mine:
>cigarette smokers / 420 w33d is lyfe
>more than a few inches taller than me (6'1')
>overweight
>more than 2 years older than me (18)
>doesn't want to give away that he is gay in public
>slut / not loyal to a relationship
tbh the only deal-breakers are loyalty and super closeted
No.249075
>mfw all these high standards and no pictures to go with them
No.249107
>not pathologically clingy
;_;
No.249109
>has ever had casual sex
>has ever thought casual sex or anything other than loving, monogamous relationships are acceptable things to do that do not make a person undesirable
>has ever done drugs
>not white
>fat
>is left wing
No.249114
Fat bottoms
Skinny tops
A lack of body hair
Blacks and things related to their culture
Cross dressing
Make-up
Younger than 25
Constant sob stories
Drunks
lgbt
Inability to appreciate silence
Excuses
Bleeding hearts
Refusal to stand up for yourself
Too many female friends
Vegetarians
Religious fags
No.249115
too skinny (as in SLP runway models) or muscular
big dick
cut dick
taller
older than me (25)
not white
sjw talk
fucks around or isn't pure
hairy
tattoos
No.249116
No.249122
>>249116
Let's go camping.
No.249141
>>249115
>big dick is a turnoff
Are you sure you're gay?
No.249147
Physical:
>being 8 years older than me I am 18, in the case
But its depends on how the guy is. If he is really cool and attractive, I would give it a try.
>too much public hair
Some is cool, too much is really disgusting.
>gay voices
I do not have to explain this, obviously.
>obesity
A little overweight is fine, though.
>hair dying
It fucking freaks me out. And looking at some guy up here, I can tell that only flamboys do it.
>black guys
Not wanting to be edgy or anything, but I really dislike black guys.
Mental/Behavioral:
>do not caring about my feelings
>bicurious guys who says they are straight but likes dicks
>guys who talks about their political views everytime
>tryhards
>no mutual interests
>guys who takes their subculture too serious
>not wanting a serious relationship
>too dom "you are my whore" tier
>too sub "i am your whore" tier
Yeah, that is it.
No.249149
>not doing anything
Worst offense but surprisingly common around the chans. It's fine to be a NEET and it's fine to be boring, but I think I've gave up on about three people who spend their days at home, aren't looking for a job, their hobbies are all lurking and vidya based, they don't watch or read or listen to anything, and they make zero effort to self improve and they have little to say cause they're awkward. They're essentially running out the clock and it bewilders and bores me.
>playing games
If you don't like me say why and give me tips if you can. I'm not applying for a job with you, so drop the nonsensical faux pas rules please. Don't tell me you want to meet again then keep giving me excuses, you're just wasting everyone's time.
>being gross
I'm really open minded, but if you're massively overweight and balding and don't shower then I just can't. Yes it's mean and blunt, but hit the gym and get a good cut to compensate. Do something about it rather than expecting society to shift standards like a lazy feminazi.
>smug bullshitting
It's fine to not know things or not being able to do things. I know I asked who starred in Gone With The Wind, but I know it's not Kevin Bacon. I don't know basic first aid, but I know for a fact doctors don't use horse blood when supplies are low. Have some fucking modesty and just say you don't know so I don't have to stand and argue with you because you had to try and look smart.
>compulsive lying
Really? You're going to inherit a collection of vintage cars from your billionaire grandfather? And is 120-years-old but not in record books cause he's off the grid? You do know you can make yourself interesting beyond making up lies, right?
All I need to do is find someone who does none of this and manage to not fuck it up like I always do.;-;
No.249171
Guys who talk about their exes a lot. That's really it.
No.249180
Penis
Fuck me right
>have the body of a bottom, the mind of a sub
>sexually top (or I would if I got any)
>like twinkish/girly/feminine/just non-manly cuteboys
>penis is meh/turnoff
Yeah just kill me it's the worst combo possible
No.249181
>>249180
I think what you're looking for might be girls, friend.
No.249182
>>249181
>girls
No thanks they are disgusting
I actually just dislike any sexual feature. Is androgynosexual a thing yet because I think I am that
Also to better explain, I can get off to the fantasy of getting bumfucked but when I really think it in realistic terms it kinda "disgusts" me (replace disgust with a less harsh word)
No.249184
>>249182
Yeah no, you don't sound gay.
No.249185
>>249184
I'll consider this eventuality, your input is welcome
No.249236
No.249245
>>221418
Yeah doing stuff like weed, mdma, lsd, shrooms and dmt in moderation is pretty okay. But anything harder is degenrate tbh
No.249268
>>249245
>anything you just listed
>not degenerate
No.249273
>>249114
>mfw a fat bottom with a skinny top bf
Whoops.
No.249474
>>249075 will me posting pics make you happier or are you just salty because you don't reach anyone's standards ?
>isn't healthy (skelly mode or anything above slightly chubby)
>doesn't do any physical activity regularly (at least 3 times a week)
>doesn't like camping or hiking or acts bitchy when we do it
>not intelligent
>depression (exactly like >>245854 said)
>not open to experimenting with sex
>100% bottom or 100% submissive
No.249566
>>249114
all of this except for the third and seventh
No.249658
>>249474
You look delicious. You naughty Romans deserved getting wrecked by us Saxons in the fourth century. Wouldn't mind doing it again.
No.249660
>>245854
>Hence when I suggest how people can make themselves feel better and get told it's "not something that can be fixed" I get incredibly pissed off
Actual clinical depression is a medical condition that has to do with hormones and actually causes shit like having no energy at all, which is one of the biggest things that make people seem depressed.
No.250102
>>204445
Sleeveless shirts and backwards baseball caps kill my boner instantly and make me want to punch the person wearing them. Maybe it's residual resentments towards the "cool kids" in high school…
No.250119
Tfw a lot of this hits close to home ;_;
No.250142
turnoffs :
- "a little thicker than average" (in other words obese also known as FAT
- certain words trigger the shit out of me like "activism", "triggerwarning", "indulge", "dabble", "vegan", "kik", "tumblr", "social justice"
- hair on body
- muscles
- beards
- sluts
- "free love" and panromance (puke
- "switch"
Seriously, how about a monogamous, pale skinned, muscle mass 0, cute socks wearing, underachieving, hardcore gamer, over 200 anime watched cuteboy…
Is that too much to ask for out of life.
No.250147
>>250119
To be fair, this is /cuteboys/. Obviously the users are going to prefer cute boys. If not, they ARE cute boys and will use their status as a rare commodity to set extremely high standards. If this place was /averagedudes/ it'd likely be less harsh on the average dude.
No.250150
>All of this black guy hate
I'm doomed aren't I?
No.250154
>>250142
where are you from?
No.250188
At work I thought this one guy was kind of cute. Then I talked to him and he sounded like an idiot. I don't mean he talks like one, but his voice sounded dopey.
Never talked to him again.
No.250189
>>250150
No you aren't, you'll find someone. I like black guys slightly more than white guys tbh
No.250192
No.250216
>>250150
No, the chans are just insanely racist and reactionary by nature. You'll have more luck in the real world.
No.250223
>>250154
see email, which is skype
I offer :
- top trap
- perfect waist to thigh ratio
- will cook, do laundry and become perfect housewife
- will tolerate and encourage a lot of gaming
- will put on pretty dresses
- will read cookbooks from the 50s in stockings and dangle my feet while I learn about the many ways of cooking carp fish
No.250249
>>250223
>top trap
thats a turnoff for me goddamn ;;
No.250254
>>249245
You're a cunt m8.
>>228451
>Drug use, heavy drinking
>Mild drinking is not drug use
top kek
No.250260
My biggest turn off
-homosexuals
No.250295
>>204445
did it involve someone named after a fairy tale character that went chasing a white rabbit?
No.250303
>>250223
WHY ARE YOU NOT IN THE US REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
No.255021
…fuck me. I smoke (a pipe), probably drink too much, chubby, political views that'd fit on /pol/, poor, and autistic.
At least I've long, blonde, pretty hair and blue eyes. :(
No.255032
After reading all of these it looks like most of you people would hate me {Not for any of the extreme things but the minor ones- I promise I'm not a hairy fat 62 year old.}
But to really reply, I don't like any sort of fetish or anyone more than 3 years older than me..Or someone who doesn't actually even like me tbh.. But I don't really care, Because i like most people c:
No.255033
I'm really only a lil bit chubby {neh} but eh shit
No.255046
> he doesnt like hitler
into the trash he goes
No.255053
>female
>bi and no longer a virgin (which essentially means they've fucked around, gotten bored of girls and want to try on the novelty of cuteboys. Good luck finding someone like this who's serious about your relationship.)
>straightfags who are curious or regard sexuality as a switch to be changed at will (see above)
>"Eh I don't really play vidya."
>"I'm not a dog person."
>Has an absurd amount of friends and is constantly doing shit with them to the point where you feel like you don't really matter
>Older than 24
>obese/fat/chubby
>bears/beards/excessively hairy
>Excessively dirty (just some appreciation for personal hygiene and cleanliness is all I ask)
>Super Religious
>LGBT/trans/SJW
>the gay voice
>"If I can't smother you in public, you don't love me" (I will never understand this one)
>a complete basket case incapable of chilling out. (Anxiety? Sure that's normal. Depression? All too familiar. What's that? You want to be alone for a few months for no explicable reason? Guess I'll go fuck myself then.)
>has a bunch of fucked up health problems that limits what we can do
>Will gush over you for a few weeks then disappear forever
>Will add you to every friends list in existence then never talk to you
>edgelord
>perma depressed to the point where nothing you do matters to them or can cheer them up
>no confidence to the point where I have no initiate everything
>black guy/black culture
>Indian, middle-eastern
>shit-tier fetishes (scat)
>lack the desire to better themselves
>will never tell me if I'm doing something wrong or they don't like, so they end up internally hating me
>Poor communication (the death nail of any relationship)
No.255147
Unable to cope with your emotions. Especially unable to be mindful, responsible, and communicative about your emotions. If you can't at minimum listen openly I can't help you.
Lack of compassion. Intimacy avoidance. Body odor. Body/facial hair (besides pubes n pits). Trying to conform to straight or gay culture at your expense.
Trying to be masculine when you're comfortable being girly. Hating on the flamers. Being belligerently stupid/ignorant. Focused only on partying. Being angry all the time. Pandering to ugly straight women with sassy schtick instead of pandering to my cock like a good boy. Awfulizing. Autistically focusing on porn fetishes rather than living life. Not having luxurious emo hair.
No.255218
>>245752
>>too skinny, I dont wanna fuck a skele you bony lil poof
No.255604
>has no hobbies
>hairy
>HAS A BEARD
>fat
>unhygenic/BO
>the kind of person who tells everyone they're gay/bi in the first 10 minutes of conversation
>HAS A BEARD (no, really, fuck beards)
>too lazy to do anything physical (eg ride a bike)
>SJW/tumblr activists
and finally:
>lives so far away that things will never get the chance to develop further
No.255619
turnoffs
>kik, snapchat… you fucking normies make me sick.
that's all I'm going to say
No.255638
>>250223
Move to Cali become my boyfriend. Also
>top trap
This is such a turn on for me too. I fit the rest of your requirements too.
No.255646
>>255638
major plus points for living in the one decent state in highly advanced capitalist utopia USA (Oregon I still love you, New England too)
pay for my ticket if you're serious about that housewife life and you're not some 20yo edgelord who lives at home.
like, not everyone can afford a housewife who genuinely enjoys cooking and cleaning and will wear nice stuff and doesn't mind "he"
and here's a picture cause i don't even give a fuck and it's sexy (except for not shaving for 3 days)
currently listening to my bloody valentine
fresh smell of just washing
sissy life is gud.
No.255652
>>255646
sorry qt, I can't even afford rent here, let alone a plane ticket. Fucking techies have absolutely annihilated the housing market. I got a decent paying job with 40 hrs or more a week, health care, and free wine and booze sampling weekly, but if I moved out all I could afford is rent and subsistence food.
Shits wack but that's what I get for living in the area with the worst rent in the country.
No.255744
>expectations
I just met a guy going door to door for a charity. He didn't check a lot of my autistic & unreasonable preferences. Yet I still felt my spaghetti churn as we talked and joked a little. (Also my balls churned.) This doesn't end with a copypasta love story, but the point is if you're open and just talk to people without expectation, you might experience something good.