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 No.21308

What does /cyber/ think of the Piratebox?? I've been interested in them for a while and I've always wanted to build one. Unfortunately I'm too much of a potatoe.

 No.21309

>>21308

It's not hard. Think we had a thread on this a while back. It's a fun project, but honestly it pretty much stops at that. I for one have never had much success getting people on it even at large events and the like. If you live in a densely populated area it may be cool to have a large permanent one always on so bored or adventurous neighbours can discover it and eventually accumulate some activity, but really you don't need a 'piratebox' for this. You can just craft it yourself and probably do something more interesting.


 No.21313

>>21309

I agree, the biggest problem with Piratebox is getting enough people involved.

I just always had this idea of a cyber city filled with dead drops in the alleyways and hidden "pirateboxes" used to rebel against government espionage and share files.


 No.21316

>>21313

something similar exists already:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_dead_drop

iirc recently some troll put the anarchist's cookbook or some other old shit from the internet on one of those drives and retard cops broke up the wall to remove the flash drive entirely.


 No.21321

>>21316

That's what I meant when I said dead drop. The problem with dead drops (apart from the fact that they are easy to break) is that there is not enough of them. Also since Piratebox can be freely modded, I feel like there must be something cool that can be made from it. Something that might hopefully appeal to a wider audience and hopefully more people building some.


 No.21365

Is it possible to make a piratebox that could run on solar power? I think it would be cool to plant some around my area but I don't want to keep maintenance.

Or could I illegally plug it into someone else's house?


 No.21391

>>21365

solar power sounds cool, check how much energy you need and how much panels for that amount cost in your area.

i think there are websites that calculate the cost approximately for rooftop panels, maybe that can give you an idea of how feasible it is.

and some people are experimenting with using induction to steal small amounts of electricity from wires through the air, not sure what it is called though.


 No.21412

File: 1430075087564.jpg (1.5 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, IMG_20140627_011602.jpg)

Eh, a while back I got into the idea, bought one of the supported routers and installed the firmware.

Not a single person ever connected to it in the 6 months I carried it around.

Nobody goes around looking for WiFi no more, everyone has 3G/LTE on their smartphone; even if someone actually ends up connecting to your piratebox, they would disconnect once they realize they can't go on facebook or shit like that.

It's a really cool gadget, but it ends there.

Pic related, it's mine.

Since we're talking about it, I'm gonna take it out tomorrow and see what happens. I'll post results if the thread doesn't 404


 No.21469

>>21412

Looks nice! Maybe it's not working because you didn't put the sticker on. Yeah give us an update! I feel like the piratebox has a lot more potential and just needs more publicity! And more devices of course.


 No.21481

File: 1430167149816-0.jpg (1.42 MB, 2340x4160, 9:16, yg2AAUh.jpg)

File: 1430167149816-1.jpg (1.37 MB, 2340x4160, 9:16, CLuqUeZ.jpg)

got mine with a huge battery that could probably run it for a day or two straight.


 No.21483

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I configured my PirateBox to host private Virtual Reality worlds with JanusVR. You can check it out and build your own here:

https://hackaday.io/project/5077-metaverse-lab

I'd like to collaborate on some cool default rooms/avatars. We could use github for that as well.

If you think it's cool, give it a skull :D


 No.21597

>>21483

Okay, now that is schway as fuck. I really really like that concept. Again, the major drawback is getting people in your area in on it.

I can't fucking wait for the next 20 years. Hopefully we don't all die before practical AR/VR is implemented on a scale like smartphones now.

The crazy thing is I KNOW VR will catch on. It's not some niche I have to pray popularity on to. Everyone and their mom will be on it.


 No.21615

>>21483

Jesus, that made me feel funny inside. That's amazingly cool dude, the idea of a VR piratebox meshnet is exciting.


 No.21633

test


 No.21673

>>21633

icles


 No.21684

>>21615

It would be cool. The USA citizens broadband spectrum thing will likely also be boon for meshnetworking. As you foulks will gian some new spectrum that is not used by existing equipment that much.

And then you have

2.4GHz

3.6GHz

5.2GHz

5.8GHz

24.250GHz

60GHz

Bands for networking at your disposal.

There is also a new wifi standard in the works that would feature 250kB/s 900MHz spectrum. Too bad that the 900Mhz thing is USA only, it could be really long range with proper antennas.

An additional good part about the 900Mhz band is that you will be able to use antennas made for the european 900MHz GSM band.


 No.21749

>>21481

What battery is that?


 No.28378

>>21481

also curious, what type of battery is it?


 No.28398

>>21481

Also bumping for battery pack name. Don't fucking ignore us you nigger.

>>21483

That makes me so horny.


 No.29347

bump.


 No.29367

I built one of these last summer from a little TP-link MR3220, I had it setup at my house and a few people walking by my house would connect to it but no one would actually bother going to the web interface.

Just plebs looking for a free connection to post status updates about what they ate for breakfast.

This is truly a depressing time we live in, All this cool tech and half the population is too dumb to even make use of it.


 No.29520

I think these are cool. On account of not having anything interesting to share I haven't set one up myself. Every time I'm on the move I check for networks on my phone in odd places though. If I find something that look interesting I get a laptop there to check it out. Found a few cool boxes in Stockholm.


 No.29560

>>21313

>the biggest problem with Piratebox is getting enough people involved.

There was a major discussion on pol a while back about building an alternative Internet. Thread was called "Internet Secession". The idea was to build a bunch of localized mesh networks, including with pirate boxes, and then connect these localized networks to one another over long distance with packet (HAM) radio.

But the problem was the same. How do you get people involved?

Well, I've thought of a possible way to get people involved so I resurrected the Internet Secession thread again to talk about it. It's over on polpol this time because pol mods are being shazbots. An anon told me that you guys might be interested.

>>>polpol/15813


 No.29561

>>29560

https://wiki.projectmeshnet.org/Cjdns

The software for this already exists. From what I heard a bunch of people set up a meshnet over a fairly large city here in sweden with this.


 No.29594

>>29560

You gotta be careful though. Yes we want people involved but we dont want too many people involved. Look what happened to the internet. It got too popular and all the lowest common denominator idiots with their Facebook, Google, Twitter, and the rest of the garbage took over. Twitter has become a SJW lynch mob that ruins people's lives daily.

You want a barrier of entry to keep the idiotic masses out but small enough that it's extremely easy to join for those interested.


 No.29596

>>29594

A good meshnet will allow anonymity by design. It's not supposed to be a private club it's supposed to be a way to communicate that's not controlled by large corporations and the government.


 No.29601

>>29594

sure but if you have less people then you increase the chances of it dying off too quickly.


 No.29670

>>29594

Keeping out plebs is something moderators do for their own respective websites, not something you can do on a network-wide basis. It's supposed to be a decentralized network: anyone who contributes hardware to the network has a right to use it, even SJWs. The character of the moderators is what preserves the culture of particular places on the network.


 No.29684

>>29670

As much as I hate to admit it, this anon has the right idea.


 No.29692

>>29596

>It's not supposed to be a private club it's supposed to be a way to communicate that's not controlled by large corporations and the government.

Too true. Keeping SJWs & shills off your own board is one thing. Keeping them off an entire network is another matter altogether.

This is an example of coopetition: Two rivals cooperate in order to achieve something that neither could achieve on their own. Afterwords they fight over the spoils like competitors.

We cooperate (ie: share computer resources) in order to build a network that can't be censored or monitored by governments & corporations.

Then we compete for cultural domination of the space that we create.


 No.29735

>>21483

Hi, alu.


 No.29756

>>29561

radio mesh networks have serious latency problems.

They exist but they are slow as molases without a wired link thrown in here and there.

Instead of a piratebox it might be better to setup a raspi with a captive portal that automatically redirects all traffic to the portal page, On that page you could have links to an irc server or maybe an image board or forum.

It would be kinda like piratebox but without pirateboxes limited functionality.


 No.29770

>>29596

>>29692

I see what you guys are saying but you're gonna end up with another twitter/facebook dominating everything like with the current internet if it ever gets popular. The problem with the current internet isnt just corporations being greedy, it's that most people are idiotic lemmings. Think about how stupid the average person is, how grossly uninformed their opinions are, then realize half the population is dumber than that. The flaw with the current internet is the same flaw with democracy in general, you can accurately generalize people as idiots.

My idea isnt to censor anybody or even to actively prevent them from joining the network. The idea is to have a small (keyword: small) barrier to entry so that the who do join are the ones who took an active interest in joining. It would keep the quality up.


 No.29831

>>29770

why not both??

have one part of the decentralised network for the normies and another one which, like you said, is only for those that took active interest in joining.


 No.29871

>>29831

>have one part of the decentralised network for the normies and another one which, like you said, is only for those that took active interest in joining.

We do this in two ways:

1. Responsible moderation of the communities we create within said network.

2. Start setting up these communities now so that they're ready to be migrated over to an alternative network once it becomes available. This way we can set up cultural hegemony right away.

I describe how to do this in >>>/polpol/15813

TL;DR

1. Start migrating en masse over to i2p. It's a very small darknet. A large influx of us would set the cultural tone. Set up a chan eepsite where we can congregate.

2. Screw copyright! Screen scrape everything that's any good from the regular Internet and use it to create our own eepsites. Use the chan to share tips and ideas.

You could just clone websites, but you could also combine stuff together from several websites or build crazy mash-ups between websites, whatever you can think of that would make it more interesting.

3. This infusion of content attracts more visitors which attracts content creators, (content = viewers = content creators) pulling the darknet out of its self-fulfilling isolation: (no content = no visitors = no content creators). Just be sure to scrape material that is consistent with the sort of culture we want to build because these will be the sorts of people we attract.

4. In this way we build a thriving culture that we can migrate over to alternative networks once they become available, as well as to alternative darknets like IPFS or Maidsafe, establishing instant cultural domination.


 No.30352

bump!!


 No.30356

>>29871

i always put i2p aside because i heard it was hard to set up, but i recently tried and its actually so fucking easy.

whoever is reading this, if you haven't set up i2p yet, fucking do it or get out of here. there's no reason why you shouldn't


 No.30363

>>30356

It's considered hard by some because it's harder than tor (ie. click this icon).

Something I do to make it simple for myself is to set up privoxy with these rules


forward-socks5 / 127.0.0.1:9150 .
forward .i2p 127.0.0.1:4444

and then use torbrowser and point it at my privoxy. This puts .i2p traffic through i2p and everything else through tor. This means that even if a i2p site try to fetch clearnet data it won't go through clearnet. You could of course set up similar rules with something like foxy proxy but I like having a anonymity proxy set up separate from browser settings.


 No.30399

>>30363

append to your torrc:

DNSPort 53
and configure tor browser or your OS to use 127.0.0.1 for DNS.

remember to gpg verify everything in case of mitm attacks.


 No.30400

>>30363

it's really weird how many line breaks fullchan inserts. my original post only contained two (sic!) newline characters in total.


 No.30401

>>30400 oops, wanted to add this comment to >>30399, not >>30363


 No.30413

>>29871 here again

I'm developing an imageboard from kusaba-x right now and I'm going to run it as an eepsite once it's ready. It's meant to serve as a home-base over on i2p for anons who want to start doing this.

I'm looking for novel board ideas. It's definitely going to have a board called /volknet/ of course: that's a board I created over here on 8chan, inspired by the first Internet Secession thread. >>>/volknet/

I also plan on having /b/, /pol/, /tech/ and /cyber/

But I want other anons involved too. What are some boards that you wish existed, and what other existing boards do you like?


 No.30434

>>30413

Can't you use 8chan's code? so anyone can make the boards they want.


 No.30436

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 No.30445

>>21308

I actually used to be a core dev for piratebox and still have control over the @PirateBox_Dev twitter account (I can provide proof if anyone is interested). Any questions?


 No.30457

>>30434

I'm going to be running this from my own machine…so I can't have hundreds of boards going. Especially since I'm not going to be online 24/7. MOD's won't always be able to get access to their boards

>>30445

What is the effective range of pirateboxes?


 No.30459

>>30457

Effective range entirely depends on the hardware the PB is running on. In the background it is just using hostapd to broadcast the AP, there is no trickery. So length of antenna is the biggest factor. I used to use a 5 dB alfa card and could get about a ,5 km range without obstructions.


 No.30462

>>30459

Can you run darknet software on piratebox (sorry, total newbie about pirate box)


 No.30464

>>30462

The images for routers are just openwrt so if you go look at the docs on the tor wiki here: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/OpenWRT

As for running a piratebox specifically on a darknet I would not highly suggest it and is one of the main reasons I stopped doing dev. Droopy (the file upload) is not very robust and it's quite amazing it runs on openwrt at all. And you have to account for the fact that most of the routers these run on are pretty damn low end and have next to 0 concurrent IO so you will be slow as shit. So technically yes you can run it in a darknet environment, but would I suggest it? no.


 No.30489

>>30464

why exactly did you stop working for piratebox??


 No.30493

>>30489

Time mostly. I also had some issues with the pace of development/structure of the project. I also wanted to replace all the python code with native binaries but that wasn't super popular.


 No.30508

>>30493

So basically you wanted to make it something more than a toy project.


 No.30836

bumping'!!!


 No.37463

>>30356

>there's no reason why you shouldn't

Due to it being popularised on 2ch.hk back in the day, it was overran by retarded russian schoolkids who were spoonfed every little detail how to set up a router.

Eventually one or several autistic shazbots with a gripe and too much disposable income figured out a way to effectively kill one of the best imageboards on the network.

Since NNTP-based boards have sprung but, after returning to the network and lurking a bit as that gave me hope once again, it would seem most of the cancer that was present on all major imageboards found their way to the NNTP chans.

TL;DR it was overran by cancer years ago and a 100% working way was discovered to efficiently disrupt any meaningful discussions on an imageboard in I2P (i.e. a feature of network's design exploited for malicious purpose).


 No.37486

>>30413

>volknet

Go play with a hand grenade, stormfag.


 No.37508

>>37463

Yeah the only problem I have with I2P is that I don't know where to start, what websites (eepsites?) to check out.


 No.37509

>>37508

First of all, you must start thinking the way we did when the Internet was still relatively young, i.e. at the absolute least about 15 years ago. You discover sites on another sites in general because there is no omniscient crawlers mapping the web 24/7.

With that out of the way, when I was still frequenting it I've used inr.i2p and echelon.i2p when I wanted to try (and usually fail) to find a new site instead being given a b32 by someone.




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