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 No.25766

Haven't seen a thread like this here before. Post /cyber/ foods, recipes, etc.

Teach others about how to have a shway cyberpunk dystopian diet.

 No.25769

Anything cheap. Noodles are a pretty good source of schway. Anything put out by a machine, like if you had a burger that got squeezed out of a tube.


 No.25773

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>>25769

Don't forget special bell peppers and beef.


 No.25777

>>25766

saw your pic related in a store yesterday and lold.

Soylent.


 No.25781

>>25773

bell peppers and beef (but without the beef)


 No.25791

find an asian supermarket

buy noodles and bust a nut on how schway their packaging is


 No.25792

>>25781

then it isn't BELL PEPPERS AND BEEF, IS it, Jet?


 No.25794

plant-based meat/cheese substitutes. I can see them getting increasingly popular as world population increases and since the planet already can't sustain animal agriculture anymore.


 No.25808

Any of you guys heard about Soylent? Supposed to be a meal replacement/supplement. It's basically a bland milkshake, comes in powder form. They're like $2.50/500kcal, which is expensive but it's better than buying mackas four times a day. Link: https://www.soylent.com/

Aside from that, I'd say any foods that are prepackaged, cheap, and nonperishable (or long shelf life) are schway. Can't be bothered to buy food every week, so buy a big box of powder that tastes like shit but never goes bad, maybe add some condiments to it.


 No.25812

>>25794

The problem is the world is putting enough food to feed every single person, and we have enough resources to sustain us for a very, very long time. The problem is we're throwing out more than we're using.


 No.25813

>>25808

I hear the green version is the best


 No.25814

>>25812

That's true in terms of pure productivity, but when you consider the negative impacts on the environment like greenhouse gas and water use, the lower on the food chain you eat, the more efficient.


 No.25816

I take little nibbles of silicon-nutro bars myself.


 No.25858

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>mfw no Lactoplasm


 No.25859

>>25792

It is when you're broke


 No.25865

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Vat grown Kanye salami is clearly the only choice for our neo-cyberworld


 No.25870

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>eating shit food is schway

>not eating organic food cultivated in secret greenhouses protected by yakuzas while the normies eat GMO ramen full of nano-robots everyday


 No.25871

>>25870

Your post is literally the most unschway thing imaginable.

Also

>GMO's

>somehow bad

kek schway schway


 No.25874

>>25870

Why would I want to eat and support organic corp-food at inflated prices?


 No.25875

>>25870

>not making a DIY kitchen garden and hacking the privatized seed dna sequences from the rich

learn2punk


 No.25876

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>>25766

The only answer is noodles.


 No.25877

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>>25876

More precisely, ramen.


 No.25896

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most "cyberpunk" ways of eating are bad for you,processed food and high sodium food. hydroponic gardens and some asian food are the exception, usually asian food thats eaten in pretty /cyb/ cities like Hong Kong and Tokyo. so ye cantonese food and sushi/other japanese food. of course it can still be unhealthy if you're goin to some fast food joint.

i guess GMOs are technically cyberpunk already, they exist to support an increasingly populated planet and its genetic engineering, so many of us eat like that without realizing it.

here is a good guide on eating healthily from harvard university, should give you an idea whats healthy in general.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/


 No.25922

Reminder that most animals are given antibiotics to make them fatter and that apart from breeding dangerous resistant bacteria those drugs can fuck up your body pretty badly by killing off important symbiotic bacteria.

http://sciencelife.uchospitals.edu/2014/08/25/gut-bacteria-that-protect-against-food-allergies-identified/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-humans-carry-more-bacterial-cells-than-human-ones/


 No.25927

>>25922

They're given antibiotics mostly because the farmers know you can't cram thousands of animals in the same building without breeding epidemics. So most of the antibiotic industry goes to feed farm animals regardless of whether they're already sick.

The first reason the environment will be fucked beyond saving in 20 years is food, if we keep emptying the oceans and dumping resources into 60 billion land animals every year.


 No.26002

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Any chummers drink Pepsi Max?

or Mountain Dew for that matter?


 No.26003

>>26002

Mein neger.

Pepsi is the shit. It's smoother and less acidic than coke.


 No.26004

>>26003

>it's smoother and less acidic than coke

I honestly can't tell the difference between them except for that and prefer both except that Cherry Coke made me gag the first time I had it


 No.26005

>>26002

>>26003

>>26004

>drinking any dark soda ever

Clear soda masterrace here.

Your tastes are all pig-disgusting.


 No.26006

>>26005

Dude, I'd drink anything as long as it had caffeine in it


 No.26015

>>25865

underrated post


 No.26485

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>>26005

Ginger Ale master race reporting in

Best drink for mixing with alcohol, drinking when you're sick, or for just drinking plain whenever you feel like. Pro-Tip: it helps keep alcohol from coming back up


 No.26524

>>26002

>>26003

>>26004

>>26005

>drinking sodas ever

It's coffee, water, or alcohol for me. Sometimes milk.


 No.26534

>>26524

I fail to see how soda is somehow worse for you than alcohol, especially when diet

And yes, I do often drink water and instant coffee


 No.30519

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Anything that comes out of a vending machine should be fine.


 No.30521

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>>26485

>Ginger Ale

I was sure someone posted this last year in an earlier "cyber foods" thread:

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/10/30/warm-schway-gingery-bubbles-in-a-can-our-review-of-hot-ginger-ale/

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot-buzz--world%E2%80%99s-first-hot-carbonated-drink-to-go-on-sale-104407331.html#PHEFO2R

>>30519

>vending machine

Pic related. A beer vending machine that requires you to scan your password. Big Brother is always watching you, drink responsibly.


 No.30522

>>30521

*passport, not password, fuck

archive link if copy+paste doesn't help with the rocketnews link, which seems to break when I posted it

https://archive.is/w3nIT


 No.30546

>>25813

you know after hearing it 50,000 times it starts to be funny again

anyways, yeah soylent is the shit.


 No.30584

kidney stones are cyber as fuck


 No.30586

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>>25766

superior margarine


 No.30591

>eating cyberpunk

fuck that, eat /fit/, being /fit/ is schway. don't you want to be a hulking cyber ninja?


 No.30672

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>>30591

Why do cyberpunk books always portray the hero running around the city, going to different countries, breaking into buildings at night, passing around floppy disks with secret information, and being active etc when all cyberpunk things can be achieved from your bed?


 No.30674

>>30672

Because no one wants to read about some nerd who never leaves his room.


 No.30679

>>30672

Because no one wants to read about his own, mundane life of beating Minesweeper or laying down Solitaire. Gotta have some action in it.


 No.36042

>>25769

>a burger that got squeezed out of a tube.

I want to make a machine that makes these, but bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8gJOCwBuFc

>>25808

This.


 No.36070

>>30672

>Why do people write books about badass shit?

Beats me


 No.36316

>>25808

>>25777

>shitlent

enjoy your synthetic poison crap fake nutrients worse than fake vitamins added to all cereal.

you can make your own better multivitamin smoothie with spirulina (way more shway and /cyber/) and other veg and fruit powders.

znaturalfoods.com and mountainroseherbs.com sell the best stuff.

ixquick.com search what foods contain what vitamins/protein and get a combination until you have all of them as a smoothie powder mix. = better than soylent.


 No.36317

>>25870

this.


 No.36318

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>>25871

>supporting monsantocorp

>suggesting that cyborganic is not shway

get le fuck out


 No.36319

>>25896

>shilling this hard

being unhealthy as shit =/= /cyber/

fucking dumbass


 No.36320

>>26004

>>26002

>>26005

>>26006

>>26485

>>26524

>>26534

>>30519

>>30521

shilling aluminum leaching laced caffein and corn syrup overdoses because "shway hue hue"

nice try evilcorp fuck off


 No.36330

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Liquid Gold, quick and easy


 No.36333

>>36316

Guess what fucktard, a vitamin is a vitamin wherever it comes from; natural = better is a piece of dumbfuckery about as removed from /cyber/ as possible. Soylent gives you everything you need, if only it was cheaper than normal food then it'd be a cyberpunk staple.


 No.36335

>>36333

>natural nutrition

The human body is a fragile organic machine. Vitamins from food (that isn't heavily-processed corporate junk) often have superior value to one's body. Supplements are important for emergency backups. You have to verify the products. Many supplement companies don't use adequate sources. /cyber/ isn't based on eating whatever crap corporations try to sell you. Fuck, sure, I like my gyros and burritos too.

I won't speak to the value of Soylent. I don't know. I'm not opposed to the concept. Eat what you want. Powders for backup food is a good idea. But I'm talking emergencies. I wouldn't see the point of subjecting myself to it normally, but I'm happy for those who think otherwise. Personally, I love food, cooking, and verified natural sources when possible. I want to explore a DIY route to make various types of long-storage emergency nutrition, as >>36316 suggests.

IMPORTANT ADVICE: food variety is important. Some people's bodies develop allergic reactions if they get too much of the same substance over a long period of time. Remember to have individual components on hand for survival, beyond your own needs. Your brothers and sisters will need you. They'll have varying bodies/tolerances.


 No.36338

>>36335

You're just spewing the same crap, hippie. B12 out of a factory is exactly the same as the B12 in anything else, and if you get the recommended dose, you're fine. /cyber/ is all about life in a corporate-dominated world, and that means the food is made by them too.


 No.36342

>>36338

/cyber/ is survival and resistance in an era of liberating and oppressive technology. You utilize nature and technology as it's imperative.

/cyber/ isn't about being the bitch of corporate propaganda unless you intend to be part of the brainwashed classes for the rest of your life. Maybe that's the only lesson you learned from dystopic scenarios: how best to assimilate, eat shit, and not be part of the underground. You're naive regarding nutrition and human metabolism reacting differently to different sources. In a lot of fruits, vegetables, and herbs, the multitude of components in the whole are a safer and healthier conduit for nutrition rather than ingesting only particular isolated compounds.

I'll trust my hydroponics now and into the future more than I trust E-corp soma. You probably think hydroponics and the art & science of organic agriculture is just hippie shit. Go drink your Soylent.


 No.36344

>>36342

>hippie shit

>organic

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

If you think there's some mystery ingredient in plants that's important for health, as yet undiscovered, then go ahead and isolate it, scientific fame is yours to collect. I'm going to assume that you don't have any startling new evidence however, and that the entire field of dietetics over it's long history has uncovered all the molecules required to live. A lot of lab animals have lived and died on all sorts of weird diets to find out what works, and the results are in; they're listed on each packet of soylent.


 No.36346

>>36344

>Soylent shill


 No.36353

>>36346

I've never even bought soylent, it's too expensive and they don't ship to my country. I'm not arguing *for* soylent, I'm arguing *against* your hippie ass.


 No.36357

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>>36353

You think it makes you futuristic to call me a hippie. Many of us know the wisdom in not increasing pesticides and chemical dependencies in food chains. I won't be a bitch to Dow Chemical, Monsanto and subsidiaries, Dupont, and other conglomerates vying for domination. You can eat what they push without question like the rest of the mainstream masses. When shit hits the fan, you'll hope they provide for you. Your dependency will rely on whatever they feed you next.

I'll be with resistance movements. We're the ones not interested in bending over for any 'Cyberdyne' of the world. Still, I'll share underground crops with you. In your time of need, perhaps the value of independent farming and seed diversity will hit you.


 No.36369

>>36357

Hippie's a term from last century that's slowly fading, it's certainly not futuristic. If you have a better word to describe your "organic is good, manufactured is bad" mindset, throw it at me, I'm all ears.

You keep accusing me of just mindlessly accepting what corporations tell me, but in fact I've come to these conclusions after reviewing the evidence (you know, actual published studies). Meanwhile you just believe whatever your favourite blogger tells you about pesticides and how natural is better.

Cyberpunk is not about ignoring the corporations, denying the increasing efficiencies and mechanisation of agriculture. Cyberpunk is about using the corporations for your own ends, staying one step ahead and repurposing things in ways they were never intended to be used. Living in the gaps, hiding amongst the churning machinery of corporate behemoths.

Hydroponics is pretty cyber, as are vertical farms and algal bioreactors. But not for supposed health benefits. For the efficiencies, the opportunities for profit and sponging up waste streams. Not very often does a /cyber/ denizen make decisions for the benefit of their health; smoking, drugs, and crouching over a filthy keyboard in a cluttered den are more like it.


 No.36376

>>36369

I didn't say the term hippie is futuristic. I implied you might be trying to seem futuristic in comparison by calling me a hippie. Organic agriculture is as future-tech as anything in life worth preserving and obtaining into the future. You discount it because you don't see the value in it. This effectively means you only see value in agriculture that employs increasing patent laws/monopolies around the world, heavy pesticides, antibiotics, growth hormones, crop dependencies, non-bio-diversity, and on and on, spread into food chains, as well as adding to the dominance of those companies who have a history of devastating and infecting areas around the world for a profit.

There's more to science and life than only considering that which affects us in the short term. Your positions are shaped more by a closed approach than mine are. I, for one, never said that non-organic food is immediately harmful. The evidence forming your conclusions is a small piece of a whole. It can make a person myopic to reasons why many of us reject adding to the bottom line of Monsanto, Dow Chemical, and others. If you're eager to scoff at any wisdom in that you've yet to explore, that's antithetical to skepticism itself.

>Cyberpunk is not about ignoring the corporations

Every business must be judged uniquely. Correct, /cyber/ is not about ignoring corporations or efficiency. I embrace many types of mechanization. I develop [hard/soft]ware and many non-farming related things. I explore science. The difference is having wisdom to not be a guinea pig to many types of products and corporations, especially ones that have clear menacing histories and questionable origins.

>Not very often does a /cyber/ denizen make decisions for the benefit of their health; smoking, drugs, and crouching over a filthy keyboard in a cluttered den are more like it.

Sure. Some do. Some don't. Maybe you'll have better respect for these positions if I focus on those topics. It doesn't bother me a bit if a person chooses to smoke or ingest shit. I'd, however, suggest to them to smoke and ingest shit in a way that doesn't add to the bottom line of companies they would probably reject after more conscientious due diligence. For instance, I'd suggest they buy tobacco or cannabis directly from farms and suppliers that aren't trying to fuck everyone. Or grow it. Or buy it from a company that's more worthy of market share (illegal or not). I support rejecting many prohibitions and anything that tries to increase government/mafia-enforced monopolies/patents. What I care about is spreading conscientiousness. It means not being the bitch of certain behemoths that become parasites (and then treat everyone as parasites once their dominance is assured in a revolving oligarchical door).

>Hydroponics is pretty cyber, as are vertical farms and algal bioreactors. But not for supposed health benefits.

There are health benefits in whole foods vs. only ingesting isolated vitamins and minerals. I'll move on. That's how this argument got started. I hope someday you'll reconsider it more thoroughly, at least on a wider scale of why such food science could be an asset of health, sustainability, and politically systemic consequences.

>Cyberpunk is about using the corporations for your own ends, staying one step ahead and repurposing things in ways they were never intended to be used. Living in the gaps, hiding amongst the churning machinery of corporate behemoths.

We agree in those terms. We may reject being cogs in the machine. You'll have my helping hand.


 No.36399

>>36376

>I implied you might be trying to seem futuristic in comparison by calling me a hippie.

Not really. Much like your point about organics not going away, there'll always be people who fit the description of a hippie, even if the term falls into disuse. What I'm trying to do is mock your beliefs as based on 'feel-good' concepts instead of evidence.

>don't see the value in it.

That is basically my position, although obviously phrased in a way that disapproves. How about you don't see the value in growing more food on less land, feeding an expanding population and reducing food waste? Organic food discards safe and effective methods of making mother nature our bitch and getting more food, in favour of fear and paranoia about harmless concentrations of benign contaminants.

>never said that non-organic food is immediately harmful

I never said you did and that's quite distinct from my argument.

>evidence forming your conclusions is a small piece of a whole

Of course; it's pretty much impossible to review all evidence even in one narrow sub-field in a human lifetime. But that's why meta-analysis studies exist, to review the many studies and reams of data and come to a conclusion summing up the state of the field. These meta-analyses (apart from the one funded by the organic food industry) conclude that there is no nutritional benefit from switching to organic food.

>antithetical to skepticism

Skepticism is based in demanding evidence for claims. It's unwise to make your mind up before reviewing the evidence, but once you have, it's a mug's game to hold off on conclusions because "what if I just haven't found something yet?"

>not be a guinea pig

No, the guinea pigs are what new pesticides are tested on before they're used on crops. You're a consumer, who benefits from cheap and plentiful food.

>[Unhealthy is fine, but don't feed the corporations]

And that's a fine thing to advocate for, but in a /cyber/ setting, it's unlikely to be an easy or cheap option. My point was that to choose a more expensive but supposedly healthier food source is not very /cyber/, more like hippie.

>There are health benefits in whole foods vs. only ingesting isolated vitamins and minerals. I'll move on. That's how this argument got started.

Yes it is, and despite all the discussion, you've shown nothing convincing to support this. I'll move on too, unless you want to back it up.

The way I see it, you see eating food produced by a corporation as not /cyber/ because of it's origin, buy cyberpunk was always more of a world and a theme than a set of prescribed behaviours. Yes eating corpfood puts you into closer contact with corporations, but corporations are an integral part of the cyberpunk worldfabric. To reject megacorps and do everything yourself on a farm in the woods is hippie; to fight them and use them while living in a world with a corporate backdrop to every scene, that marches to the rhythm of corporate leviathans, that is cyberpunk.

Note that that doesn't mean one is better than the other. A cyberpunk world is a dystopia, not something to aim for. But that's what the thread asked for, /cyber/ food. Soylent fits the bill, organic veg doesn't. Hydroponics are too, they're pretty neat.


 No.36409

>>36333

>imlying eating vegetabls from pesticide mcmonsantodonalds is the same as eating organically produced produce

are you even trying to lie?


 No.36410

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>>36338

>You're just spewing the same crap, hippie. B12 out of a factory is exactly the same as the B12 in anything else.

HAHAHA I just laugh when I hear people puking out the same useless false information that some other idiot told them was true. Do you truly believe that? I'm going to open your mind anon.

>mass produced synthetic b12

>CyanoCoBalamin

or you could get some legit b12 from methylcobalamin grown by certain types of bacteria if you know the right supplement to buy. enjoy wasting all your methyl groups you silly head.

also Look up the difference between cholecalciferol vitamin d3 and Lanolin.

the difference is astounding.

are you even /cyber/? you haven't even into /science/

I'm not a doctor. Ask your doctor before doing anything.


 No.36411

>>36344

Don't play dumb anon.

do you know how unhealthy it is to ingest refined isolated compounds from plants rather eating the plants themselves? do you even realize how much stuff you are missing out on?

your nutrients aren't even bound to a protein, fat, fiber, other vitamins, nothing.

just dropping some chemically refined extract right into your stomach doesn't mean you got what you needed.

Stop pathetically acting as if you know what you are talking about, I don't want you to dumb other people down with your misinformation.

also, nobody is going to spend a thousand dollars extracting every minor component of celery when they can just go to the store and eat some fresh celery, peas, and carrots or something.

I will make a soup before I spend 80$ on some pill bottle that claims it will give me all my vitamins when my body wont even bother absorbing most of the refined synthetic garbage in that pill.

Please learn or get out.

I am not a doctor. Ask your doctor before doing anything.


 No.36412

>>36353

you obviously seem to be supporting multivitamins. what brand should I buy so you can suck my wallet dry while I starve to death?


 No.36413

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>>36357

Don't share your crops with a person like this. It seems like the right thing to do but people are primitive and crazy. This kind of person in some post apocalyptic theoretical scenario will only start an angry mob and come after you when have feed them and their family because you ran out and can't give them anymore.

take care of yourself friend.

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 No.36415

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>>36369

remember that nobody cares this much about messing with people in a thread

>image related

>Hippie's a term from last century that's slowly fading, it's certainly not futuristic.

Old, but no obsolete.

>If you have a better word to describe your "organic is good, manufactured is bad" mindset, throw it at me, I'm all ears.

I am slightly entertained by your failed attempt to imply such a black and white illustration of logic while projecting-accusing your opposition of having said form of logic about everything.

Manufacture isn't necessarily a bad thing because what really matters is "what" is being made and "how" it is being made. Another point I would like to make is that "manufactured" as you put it is only loosely and indirectly related in contrast to "organic" as you put it. have fun spinning your lies on the even horizons of black holes. nobody is going to listen to you in your made up world.

>You keep accusing me of just mindlessly accepting what corporations tell me, but in fact I've come to these conclusions after reviewing the evidence (you know, actual published studies).

So you read what some biased mainstream media indirectly or directly owned by all the corporations and government said on some website and Therefor, you trust them? I hope you aren't this weak minded.

>Meanwhile you just believe whatever your favourite blogger tells you about pesticides and how natural is better.

Oh you know what, you're right. Eating loads of food contaminated with pesticides is so much better than eating a plant that was grown in healthy clean soil. No not really actually, That's very unhealthy. But I'm sure you almost got a raise when your boss thought I was going to believe you.

>Cyberpunk is not about ignoring the corporations, denying the increasing efficiencies and mechanisation of agriculture. Cyberpunk is about using the corporations for your own ends, staying one step ahead and repurposing things in ways they were never intended to be used. Living in the gaps, hiding amongst the churning machinery of corporate behemoths.

You can have fun living in the filth of a giant monster but we are more ambitious than you.

>"Cyberpunk is about using the corporations for your own ends"

Oh, so I should use facebook and get ten credit cards and use google "for my own ends"? you joking m8?

>Hydroponics is pretty cyber

>But not for supposed health benefits.

you mean like eating food, and not starving to death?

>For the efficiencies, the opportunities for profit and sponging up waste streams.

nice attempt at legal discombobulation buzzowrd language. "BUY XBOX NEXT GEN PREMIUM ELITE CALL OF DUTY DELUX ARTISAN #1 BEST BONUS CLUB"

>Not very often does a /cyber/ denizen make decisions for the benefit of their health; smoking, drugs, and crouching over a filthy keyboard in a cluttered den are more like it.

But anon, its 2015 and smoking isn't cool anymore.


 No.36416

>>36357

>>36376

open your mind anon, don't agree with anything they say. It's a slippery slope-class shill


 No.36419

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>>36399

>Organic food discards safe and effective methods of making mother nature our bitch and getting more food, in favour of fear and paranoia about harmless concentrations of benign contaminants.

>making mother nature our bitch

Because ruining nature is a good thing and DOESN'T hurt all living things on earh in the long run?

>fear and paranoia about harmless concentrations of benign contaminants.

Because anyone who doesn't like eating poison must be "Craaazy!" because the news says so?

>Of course; it's pretty much impossible to review all evidence even in one narrow sub-field in a human lifetime. But that's why meta-analysis studies exist, to review the many studies and reams of data and come to a conclusion summing up the state of the field.

>These meta-analyses (apart from the one funded by the organic food industry) conclude that there is no nutritional benefit from switching to organic food.

yea sure no nutritional benefit other than NOT eating poison. Wow, what a difference. Go and eat some organic vegetables and tell me you don't taste a difference.

>the guinea pigs are what new pesticides are tested on before they're used on crops.

the guinea pigs that they don't use because they don't think testing is important right? those guinea pigs? right?

>You're a consumer, who benefits from cheap and plentiful food.

Yes I the consumer benefit from tons of cheap unhealthy pesticide drenched brouzouf crops.

>Skepticism is based in demanding evidence for claims.

You're going to love this!

Corporations continue to attempt to discredit anyone who says their products are not safe, while refusing to do any research to prove that their products are safe because "we already know our products are safe so we don't need to test them"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/the-fda-doesnt-even-test-the-safety-of-genetically-engineered-foods.html

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/15042-five-ways-the-fda-has-failed-consumers-on-genetically-engineered-foods

http://carlwattsartist.com/AlignLife_Monsanto-Says-No-Need-to-Test-GM-Foods.html

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/five-ways-fda-has-failed-consumers-genetically-engineered-foods

http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/28/monsantos-science-doesnt-add-up/

http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/world-health-organization-monsantos-roundup-probably-causes-cancer-03242015

http://ecowatch.com/2015/03/23/monsanto-roundup-glyphosate-cancer/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/roundup-ingredient-probably-carcinogenic-humans/

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/21/roundup-cancer-who-glyphosate-

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/who-report-links-weed-killer-ingredient-cancer-risk-n327826


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>>36409

>>36410

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>>36419

Thank you, brothers and sisters. It's a morale boost to know I'm not alone. Diverse crops we can better trust will be part of what nourishes our intelligence. The crops are rich, heirloom lineages battle-tested by long histories. Times become tougher. We become tougher and wiser.

>>36413

>take care of yourself friend.

I will, friend. Please do so too. Your list is good. In a day or two, I'll try to catch up in the other thread about the ongoing list.

>This kind of person in some post apocalyptic theoretical scenario will only start an angry mob and come after you when have feed them and their family because you ran out and can't give them anymore.

Good to plan. Here's where superior technology supports our awareness and defense. Misguided people can be shown knowledge through actions and pass it on. The tunnel network must flow with abundance for both backup and food drops. We'll provision supplies. The trick is to properly compartmentalize networks so if one lot is raided it doesn't lead to the rest. If all else fails, we're fully armed.

>>36416

>open your mind anon, don't agree with anything they say. It's a slippery slope-class shill

I embrace your concern. Worry not. For a long time I've dealt with people who blindly follow and consume. They base an understanding of the world on small vacuums. They gloss over [complex global issues]. In place of researching consequences and problems, they focus on only particular studies to justify everything - even to justify supporting a company's actions entirely.

They fail to realize that not all science is alike when it comes to the 'success rate' of knowing (long-term effects). Measuring the effects of the culmination of [human-introduced pesticides and chemicals] on the health of humans and food chains is extremely hazy. Food science is prone to false conclusions. Most studies give indicators at best. Good luck on finding impartially-funded studies. Top university systems profit from pushing and licensing their warchests of bio-patents. Many governments have some of the most dangerous policies (literally) written in full by corporations to limit competition (and thus promote their actions). It's rare to have non-conflicted health studies because our lifespans are short and it's very costly. That's not to say genuine health studies don't exist. However, where they exist, again, they usually only focus on narrow effects and are usually indicators at best. People read these indicators as a divine course in the short term. They feel good about it. They feel "scientific." Irony unfolds. They lose curiosity and skepticism of that which surrounds (and funds) the topics.

['All is fine, citizen; this study says it doesn't kill you; see, it's "science"; pay no attention to its fragile basis or negative consequences surrounding its use.']


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>>36399

1. Nourishment was a topic of whole foods vs. isolated compounds.When I use the term "whole foods" I refer to cultivated food (not heavily processed), not solely referring to *organic* whole foods. I never said non-organic whole foods can't be nourishing. They are in many ways. If all one can find or afford is food that isn't from a good source and organic, one must survive and be thankful they have something at least. *Wash it thoroughly (removing more pesticides) or peel certain skins, just as you should wash organic produce (removing bacteria like E. Coli).* Though I'd contend organic food will prove to be more nourishing in the long run compared to non-organic food, based on the reality forming: so much diversity and flavors to pull from in organic strains vs. the mono food cultures forming around the world in centrally-controlled non-organic strains.

2. The reasons I prefer organic are many as listed. You needn't pay attention to them. I'll be the "hippie" for it in your eyes.

3. World population and food supply is very important. There are arguments to be made for bio-engineering strains resistant to X, Y, and Z, in a future world that's entirely dependent on those circumstances: do or die. But please understand that exploring the research of plants and animals is not an equivalent act to [rejecting organic food or supporting Monsanto]. If you ever care to investigate, you'll see that many of those networked food companies are not doing it out of simple concern for "making sure the populations of tomorrow survive and are well fed" (or whatever propaganda they spew). They want to put their seeds and chemicals over vast regions and introduce permanent crop dependence no matter where it is, no matter how thriving one's crops would otherwise have been in the region had they been diverse and organic. Have you ever considered that more people may die of hunger in the future as a result of single seed strains failing rapidly (due to bad traits and unpredictable factors) hitting them at once?

4. The world's population could eat organic food. There's an astonishingly abundant amount of space on Earth to grow food indoors and outdoors. Three major factors are in the equation of food:

– water

– energy

– action

Energy will be solved by *decentralized* harnessing of sun and wind. Water is possibly the biggest impending problem facing humanity but that applies to all food, organic or not. Only good decentralized desalination machines may stave off those wars.

5. I do buy from people of corporations. My message was to be conscientious about it. I buy food too. Most organic farms doing sales, for instance, are corporations in some fashion so they can have limited liability. Such is the world.

6. REMINDER: Not all organic companies are alike either. Some organic-certified factory farms are subsidiaries adding to the power of truly horrendous parent companies. Doesn't hurt to research the source.


 No.36502

bumping for good exposure. this thread should be seen.


 No.36510

severe thread sliding. someone doesn't want this thread to be seen.


 No.36511

bumping.

has this been bumplocked?


 No.36512

why would this thread be bumplocked. what a stupid decision to make considering it shows a shill in action getting proven wrong over and over.

people need to see this so they can spot shills.


 No.38542

http://textfiles.com/food/

My favourits are the cyberpunk beer boiled shrimp and pumpkin scones.




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