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 No.34704

Why is that its so difficult to get realistic looking androids that won't fall straight into uncanny valley territory?

What are the biggest shortfalls in current technology?

 No.34707

>>34704

Those androids in the video could easily pass for humans in a crowd if they wore hoods and didn't speak to anyone. You would need to program them to sway and fidget to really convince people.


 No.34711

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It's eyes. It's always eyes.

They can be super realistically painted with little veins and everything, but we can always tell when eyes aren't real.

It's a primal thing.

Solution?

A screen that shows pre-recorded footage of real eyes. Obviously it then looks like a robot, but it's so soothing as to completely bypass the uncanny valley.


 No.34717

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>>34704

>why doesn't hardware have the properties of wetware?


 No.34747

>>34711

>>34707

Not really, that toy like movement its way creepier than when they talk

>>34711

That would look weird as shit, the problem with the "dead eyes" is just that: they look dead, there is no brightness to them like natural eyes have, and that's because real eyes reflect part of the light, plastic ones just absorb it

One solution would be to put LEDs in the eyes to make them bright like real ones


 No.34750

>>34704

Why do people try to make realistic human beings if making them more stylized will make them more attractive?


 No.34759

>>34750

That too, seeing SFM models I wonder if making an android like that would be less creepy


 No.34761

Why do we HAVE to make them look human? Why can't we just make them into the most efficient android-type design?

What is our fascination with trying to replicate human features down to the skin pores?


 No.34770

>>34761

>>34761

Don't derail the thread with that shit


 No.34773

>>34761

"Why talk with a human, a toaster is fine!"

Do you literally know how stupid you sound? We make them more human like so they can stop being so fucking creepy, otherwise nobody will want them.


 No.34782

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>>34773

He is kind of right, though. Stylizing them to look less like humans would avoid the uncanny valley by simply informing the user through looks alone that he or she is not interacting with another human, but with a completely different being.

>We make them more human like so they can stop being so fucking creepy

You can avoid the uncanny valley by not going deep into it. ASIMO and Nao clearly don't look like humans and they are fucking cute, even with their clumsy toy-like movements.

Anyway, I guess we just keep investigating how to make them human because we love researching things and because Replicants are cool.

>>34711

>>34747

It's not the eyes in this case, or at least not the main reason. You won't notice their eyes being made of plastic (which, by the way, do reflect light, but not in the same way a human eye would do) unless you get terribly close to them, more or less like actual Replicants.

I think what really gives them up is the movements and the skin being way too perfect. They could pass up for perfectly human if you took a still and blurred it a bit, like in pic related. Notice how the girl looks a bit more human than the boy; I bet it's because of the hair covering the sides of the face (which aren't as worked as the frontal parts), and maybe because we are already used to see women using so much makeup their skins do indeed look like that.

But seriously, look at the way they bow. That's the main reason they can't look like humans, never ever. Sadly, we are far away from natural movement since it requires a crazy amount of calculations. Our best bet would be to make synthetic neuronal tissue to solve this problem, because our computers are still far from reaching the performance required to balance a body in real time.


 No.34785

>>34773

No reason to start "derailing" then thread with ad hominems. Please read >>34782

It's quite simple logic that a way to avoid the uncanny valley is to simply not plunge into it. Is this THE solution? Of course not, but it's a possible outcome that I wouldn't entirely reject. Who said replicants have to look as retarded as a toaster?


 No.34805

>>34785

>thread about making androids look more human

>derailing with the tired old shit about making them look like a dishwasher

>implying most existing humanoid robots are exactly like that

Seriously dude, it wasn't even the same person, you seriously don't get what we're talking about here and keep derailing with crap

>>34782

>the skin being way too perfect

No way its anywhere near perfect, it still looks like cheap rubber, I seen masks and movie props that look way better than those robots

I think this is one of those problems of programers thinking they can do everything instead of hiring other people to help them with different parts

The movement too, I seen more soft movement with less jerkiness from other robots that don't even pretend to not be robots, like boston dynamics.

What we need is someone to build an entire company around this and make for androids what tesla did for electric cars

When you look at electric cars not even 10 years ago they were all ugly as fuck, slow and crappy, now look at the model S and X.


 No.34806

>>34805

>>implying most existing humanoid robots aren't exactly like that

typo


 No.34810

>>34805

Thank you for your perspective. I agree with programmers hiring other people to take care of the cosmetics/aesthetics - that's an interesting idea.

What I do not understand is how asking why making androids look as human as possible is derailing this thread. Sure, this thread is *about* making them look as humanely possible, sure; however, WHY? If we're skeptics here and not just infatuates of the cyberpunk ethos then we should not be afraid or reluctant to answering why.

No way around mitigating shitposting here and there but there's still room for legitimate and thoughtful discussion, is there not?


 No.34812

>>34805

>No way its anywhere near perfect

I didn't mean perfect as in naturally perfect. I meant it as in free from flaws: it's smooth, is as matte as a face completely covered in makeup, has no variance in tones, no small scars…

Also, let's try not to call talking about the topic at hand from a different perspective "derailing", because that way madness lies. We have already answered OP's first question, and I doubt anybody here is technical enough to describe possible rubber treatment procedures or experimental movement compensation mechanisms to answer the second one. The thread would be dead if we didn't try to expand the topic.

You know what's derailing? What I am doing right now. I bet some User will get mad about how wrong I am about this and will reply to my argument, and then I will get mad about how wrong said User is and I will write yet another reply that has nothing to do with Replicants, and then the thread will devolve into endless shitposting.


 No.34813

>>34805

>>implying most existing humanoid robots aren't exactly like that

typo


 No.34819

>>34813

>>34806

they changed the matrix…


 No.35960

>>34750

good question, I find the stylized ones more attractive. Where its obviously a robot.




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