/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

>>34852

The armies of the future will be less nation and more corporate, as when we approach the natural resources wars, you can bet your ass the oil companies are going to send in private troops to secure their own share of resources.

Cybernetics in original sense are means of controlling system. Classical cybernetic tools are already applied to the army. Every cybernetic scientist know that system is controlled with a feedback loop. The faster feedback cycle goes, more precise and adaptive control becomes. That means that Army would need more and communication systems, combining operative centers, UAVs telemetry, satellite data, air force support, voice and text comm. on every level possible - to every squad, every platoon, with various network topology that fits combat situation best. It is already happening - look at US Joint Vision 2020, which underlines importance of communication.

>then what type of areas would they fight, and what would it be like?

It would become even more asymmetric. That's it. Also army's fragmentation will become smaller, because small squads with aerial and artillery support provide the same fire power but more mobile and thus superior.

Also, welcome to the board.

>>34852

Well I always imagined a cyberpunk war being fought against companies specifically. Like rather than having a broken world with crumbled buildings, everything would be the same. I feel like it'd be more a proxy war. hackers hack into systems, police get sent to capture people. That's about it really, in a dystopian world there'd be no war because the ruler would have everyone under their thumb.

Companies hiring other companies to run operations and combat. National militaries replaced by the lowest bidding contractor with sometimes literal bidding wars on lucrative contracts. Corporates operating on international waters with impunity.

Even now many freight ships have armed private security on board to deal with pirates. Now it's just light weapons and the occasional RPG-7 and fifty cal. But it might morph in to something more and freight fleets might turn in to corparate navies.

With operations against rivals and pirate compounds.

"Cassidians CAS-Corp has the best CAS! Our fleet includes both fixed wing and multi rotoer vehicles and everything form 7.62 to napalm and JDAM's!" (the use of a real defence contractor name is a pure mistake, and cassidian made coms gear anyway).

>>34901

I have some experience in the shipping industry, and turning cargo ships into private navies is not at all likely. You have much better uses for that $500 million hunk of steel.

What about that dodging suit? It would predict the bullet trajectory and send electrical stimulus to specific muscles, so the soldier could go full matrix.

>>34928

IIRC, it's some IBM soykaff.

There will be a new type of fighter in the cyberwars. One trained in all forms of fighting, from hand to hand combat, to ranged weapons, from HUMINT espionage to making & cracking digital security systems.

These warfare wizards will utilize every tool in the PSYOP handbook. Excelling at disinformation as well as social engineering. Knowledgeable in all the ways of communication via multiple entendre, body language and even subconscious suggestion.

They will be Hackers in the original sense of the word, and if you catch one there won't be any way to distinguish them from an innocent civilian. In fact, you won't be able to tell if getting caught was part of their plan.

Now, be a good citizen of GigaCorpopolis and convince yourself that the cyberpunk army of the future does not exist today.

I would imagine small squads with drone support and drones in the air for the more wealthier companies or nations (if they are still in power) plus, more research into rail gun technology will utilize destroyers to hit targets far inland by anchoring by the coast or artillery to hit with precise accuracy. However smaller corporations and local militia would just get outdated weapons for their time, improvised equipment to combat the more current tech of their time, have only a few advance weapons with the brouzouf they saved up or simply hijack state of the art weapons for their own use. Hacking would become more frequent and more efficient if the smaller, less powerful groups want to step up to the titans of the near future, else they'd be wiped within a few hours once targeted. That is assuming if the megacorps get that powerful in tracking individuals that wish to do harm to them (which to some extent they're getting close to that efficiency in hunting).

It will be interesting how it all plays out since people wish for smaller wars to lessen the amount of damage and casualties from the 20th century the amount of death would be in the millions to today a few thousand and maybe in the future a few hundred (until when we are on our last bit of resources which the count will sky rocket to billions). How these wars will start may be about data breaches, rights over being able to mine or drain a resource, copyright over a new design, but for the most part it might all be within the shadows such as corporate espionage, hacking, sabotage, assassination, influencing employees of rival companies or simply killing workers to lower their productivity. The possibilities are really endless of what might happen or it could be a very dull future(which is a high chance of happening) where they are all in league with each other with the only bit of conflict are upset third worlders wanting the first world to stop their bullshit and pretend revolutionaries talking about petty things to act like it's all coming down and the major issues are getting fixed.

>>34901

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

Some civilian ships carry LRADs. That's pretty fucking cyb, but nonlethal defenses are a bit of a joke. To get shit done you kill. At least in this armchair general's opinion.

Cyberpunk isn't in the future it's now. The army would use an incredible and horrible spying system to remove the worlds freedom, have flying deathrobots indiscriminately blowing up far away places on behalf of private business, intentionally sending groups of private soldiers to die for budget reasons, hardware beyond powerful enough to decimate the whole globe, and all of the real meaningful battles will be fought digitally for information and business reasons.

I just can't wait for the day i go to liveleak and see a video of a guy getting fucked up by a railgun

>>35011

<-This please!

>>34993

>Sorry for awful English just came back from evening PT and am Exhausted

trying too hard: the post

>>34852

OP, expect highly skilled teams of operators fighting in grey zones. You won't see too much in major cities or the first world because companies simply don't have the capability to take on their governments without some incredible bribery (or hiring out from the criminal underworld), but they'll duke it out in the third world with no questions asked.

Expect lots of SMGs and medium-to-high caliber rifles. Lots of helis, though not necessarily gunships - better for logistics than actual fighting as far as these guys are concerned.

Electronic warfare will hit an all-time high, but you won't even know it until someone gets a customer database that involves innocents.

>implying it already hasn't

>>34852

The New Wars

by Herfried Muenkler

Corporations won't have anything to gain from having armies while the nation state still exists in it's über powerful modern condition. The only private forces are and will be mercs, which still work for the gov.

If we're talking, say, fifty years down the line, the modern warfighter will have changed significantly.

Infantry will be equipped with energy or EM weapons, depending on which technology is cheaper. Powered exoskeletons, vision enhancement and squad communication system complete with heads up display. Armour will be much more potent, and likely cover more of the body. Support equipment like ultralight portable shields, active defense systems, and support targeting system will be commonplace. Maybe even jet packs. Every squad will have heavy weapons like airburst cannons/missile launchers/anti-materiel weapons.

Land vehicles will be remotely operated, mostly indestructible to today's conventional weaponry, and carry big time energy weapons, EM cannons, etc.

Support and observation aircraft will be completely robotic. Fighters and CAS will be remotely operated. Their munitions will be even more devastating than today's top of the line gear. All military aircraft will be stealthed to radar and thermal detection. Countermeasures will include advanced ECM and an active defense system. Chaff and IR will likely be discarded. Pilots will all use 360° camera systems for total situational awareness.

Naval forces will be stealthed similar to a better version of the Zumwalt. Missiles will likely be replaced by railgun cannons.

If orbital weapons platforms are legalized or opened up otherwise kinetic weapons will supersede nukes as the deterrent force, and the first orbital warships might be constructed.

Additionally, support robots will create a new roll on the battlefield, handling all logistics and replacing IFVs as the preferred combined arms vehicle. Combat platforms will be slaved to squad leaders and provide mobile cover and fire support.

That's my speculation, anyways.

What we won't see

* Full automation. You need lots of foot soldiers to hold territory, and meat is cheap

* Widespread power armour. It's simply too expensive. It will exist, but be limited to specialists, e.g. the first guy through after a door is breached

* Corporations having their own armies to rival nation-states. It's much easier and cheaper for the corp to buy influence within the government

What we will see

* Automated aircraft and heavy armour

* Legged vehicles for rugged terrain, possibly accompanying foot patrols

* Fighting for space access, most likely carried out by unmanned satellites. Space-to-ground weapons are unlikely, it'll be all about surveillance and comms

* Extremely high-altitude ramjets literally adding another level to air superiority

* EM kinetic weaponry. Lasers are still on the fence as we don't know how well they'll perform against mirrored shielding

>>35231

spill the beans friendo

>>35145

> All military aircraft will be stealthed to radar and thermal detection.

Not to mention stealth to visible light, i.e., cloaked.

We keep saying cyberpunk future is now for a reason:

https://archive.is/QNVpV

> electrical engineers at the University of California, San Diego have created a new design for their cloaking device, using a Teflon substrate, studded with cylinders of ceramic, which is thinner than any prior development and does not alter the brightness of light around concealed objects.

> The Teflon has a low refractive index, while the ceramic’s refractive index is higher, which allows light to be dispersed through the sheet without any absorption. Compared to an invisibility cloak, this technology has not only the ability to conceal, but the ability to increase optical communication signal speed and to collect solar energy.