/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

You'd have to figure out a way to make it quick and easy, like a browser add-on you type into that generates the distorted text in an image file and uploads it to 8ch when you're done.

Nobody is going to bother opening up Photoshop, writing their piece, saving it, posting it, and deleting it once they're done with it.

>>35715

As someone with Machine Learning experience I can assure you that with the current generation of algorithms, retrieving text from images is a relatively easy task, even with the background jitter (that kind of jitter you're using may decrease the accuracy by 0.5% more or less). And that technology have exist since 1992. You'd need something like captchas to make it more difficult for machines to read but even then it'll be relatively easy for a good algo + machine to retrieve the text. Steganography is the way to go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

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>>35788

There needs to be an add-on/extension that does this. Appends text to an image file and those with that extension can read it. It's autmomatically decrypted or something.

>>35788

Although there is a similar thread, i will post again.

The purpose of image posting is not to obfuscate (like crypto does) but to immensely tax the spy efforts.

Because:

1) Image to text is never 100% correct (especially on a large scale). On the other hand, text reading is… 100% correct.

2) Image posting is LOW tech but in order to ocr it (especially on a large scale) you need HIGH tech.

So, with little effort you can seriously jam the agencies' spy efforts. They still can spy you but they need to pay a lot more that the free pass they have right now.

Also:

Image posting is not illegal and can never be throttled or blocked.

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>>35934

Stop bumping your thread so much. This is a slow board.

What you fail to take into account is that it's harder for people to create image posts than it is for google and five guys to read them.

I'd have to open up Microsoft GIMP and paste this text into it. This would slow down posting and I'd probably not put in the effort to write the post in the first place, like when per-post captcha is implemented.

Jewgle has a system set up to automatically OCR every image that it collects, and any text that the neural net can't process with great enough accuracy gets spun off to captchas/indians. It requires a bit more processing power to deal with the image but they have datacenters big enough to make your dick fall off.

DDT works better because it would require someone from the organization to post in a thread to get their key added. This would be a form of active surveillance, which only comes into play when dealing with large or unusually effective web communities. We are neither.

The posting of images is throttled on many imageboards and blocked on many types of anonymous BBS. Also blind people have trouble reading these because they don't have 400 datacenters and a million engineers to make sure their OCR works flawlessly.

>>35954

It's not my thread.

are you a shill or something? you want everyone to NOT take a few seconds to copy and paste text into their favorite image program?

you want to help spying assholes?

>>35958

>It's not my thread, although I'm clearly the same guy that keeps making threads about this

Sure bud.

>are you a shill or something? you want everyone to NOT take a few seconds to copy and paste text into their favorite image program?

It makes it more difficult to reply inline like this. The whole point of 8chan is so that we can have discussions on things and share images. You propose making it more difficult to have discussions based on the unfounded idea that it will stop spying.

>you want to help spying assholes?

You're talking like you've been reading one of those psyops guides on disrupting online communities, accusing anyone who disagrees of you as "helping the enemy" or some other unoriginal divisive garbage. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since it's kind of silly to be trying to disrupt a science fiction board on a Zimbabwean mud painting website. Have you considered the possibility that there might be people who legitimately disagree with you? How about the possibility that you're actually wrong?

For every "few seconds" it takes to encode text as images, it takes microseconds to decode it into text again with near perfect accuracy, and 100% accuracy is reached within minutes when the letters in question are solved by humans. Do you remember how the google captcha became so difficult that humans couldn't read it anymore? That's because spammers had developed OCR neural nets capable of reading distorted text better than humans can. Spammer technology is not ahead of what google, facecrook and their government friends have. Do not encourage people to use ineffective privacy techniques or they will neglect effective tools like encryption, security culture and mixnets. If you want to counteract mass spying, learn how it works.

Use strong (better than military grade) encryption to talk to your friends. When discussing things on public forums such as 8channel or IRC, be aware that anyone can read the page and anyone can archive it.

You have got me thinking about a technique involving UTF-8 though. Many UTF charsets have characters that are pixel-identical or even pixel similar to our favorite latin characters. One could make a utility to substitute characters at random with similar characters under the guise of an obfuscation technique. It would be a fairly poor obfuscation technique (roughly on par with image posting), but would leave room for deniable steganographic message passing that would work even on text-only boards. As long as the distribution of substituted characters is kept uniform, it's impossible to tell if someone has embedded a secret message in their text post or if they are merely obfuscating the words of their post from primitive regex scanners. You could make a board that won't accept posts unless they contain more than one charset. An additional upside is that we'd still

>be able to do this to quote people

>or to imply things

>>36001

Is the irony of that image and your posts lost on you?

You're the same person who posted that "privacy guide" and I'm actually starting to believe that you're mentally ill. Get well soon, dude.

I'm disappointed that you didn't really have anything to say about my steganographic message passing idea. Combined with a one time pad it could provide completely deniable completely unbreakable encryption. Looking at the poorly decoded javascript OCR I can see that image posting is probably a more effective obfuscator encoding, since it looks like it could really challenge unfunded adversaries and technically inept states (most of them).

I'm not concerned about people being able to read my public posts on an imageboard, but if it's a concern to you then go right ahead. Why haven't you been writing every one of your posts as an image?

I hope you understand that I'm not trying to stop you, I'm just trying to suggest more effective methods and get you to find solutions to any weaknesses in your ideas. If you really believe in this image posting thing, why not make a new board? Link us to it, but try not to be so nasty to everyone or nobody will come. You could have a little OCR competition thread stickied so that we can know which backgrounds and text distortion techniques are most effective at fucking with CV.

>This is where you have been sadly mistaken. I didn't come here to convince you. I came here to not be convinced by you.

Then why did you even post the thread? You could remain "not convinced" without even coming here at all. Obviously you wanted to convince other people to start embedding their posts in images, otherwise you wouldn't have started the thread. Unless maybe you just came here to start a squabble? Either way it doesn't make much of a difference. I'm here to have anonymous discussions and I made you defend your position to see if you had anything for me to learn. I have been enriched by at least one idea and no matter which way you insult me or try to bend the truth, you cannot take that away from me.

>>36048

was going to say this. actually I was going to say something much more insulting, but this is good enough.

why not use oekaki? I know it's not enabled on this board but it would probably be easier to just draw out your text with a mouse well enough that it's legible.

>>36077

Handwriting analysis. The differences in our hands and neural pathways mean that everyone would develop unique ways of drawing letters and words.

>>36151

which is why it wouldn't be the best way.

>>36155

the best way would be to have a program that converts english or other languages into a completely made up alphabet that has it's own symbols and make a blurry text image out of those, and leave it to the users to transfer them back into the program for english symbols.

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>>36067

TrueType fonts have a built-in bytecode language for doing advanced font hinting. It's pretty limited, but Turing-complete, so I bet you could use it create a font that would pseudo-randomly distort the letterforms.