/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

>>36043

fuck off outta here, you shazbot luddite

>>36043

Cyberpunk isn't technophobia or technophilia, it's about keeping yourself safe by not being a fucking idiot. And no, society isn't going to collapse anytime soon, governments and corporations aren't going anywhere.

>>36062

I develop hardware and software. I'm not a luddite.

>>36075

That's the underlying point. I hope it's clear. Careless people who only obsess with the superficial (perhaps >>36062 but I will forgive the remark) become the least equipped to survive or even hold compassion for cyber survivalists if even a slight aspect of any technology is questioned or rejected. They become vectors of propaganda for tyranny. They become the opposite of cyberpunk. They become weak to real survival.

We disagree on the coming collapse. That's fine. May your view hold true. We agree that many governments and many of the corporations they enable aren't going anywhere soon. They will in fact benefit greatly from a broader type of collapse. When large portions of the US power grid go dark for longer than one month, and food distribution is disrupted, and it will happen, the term collapse will seem accurate. It will seem especially so to most of the fragile masses in cities.

Not being a fucking idiot is part of it. There are many forms of being connected and many forms of being disconnected.

>>36062

>>36075

>governments and corporations aren't going anywhere.

shills spotted

>>36314

>>36315

Thank you, User. I knew certain people would understand and care. You are legit /cyber/. There is a long struggle ahead and it'll be an honor to band together.

>>36315

>governments and corps can be gotten rid of

bro I don't think that's how it works. an anarchy can't strong enough to stand up to opposing forces like countries and megacorps without a military.

What can be done is to replace the system or leaders we have in place, but some system is needed, otherwise any newfound freedom won't last long.

>>36332

/cyber/ includes both subgenre and subculture. arguing about what is and isn't cyberpunk always ends badly.

>>36375

>leaders we have in place, but some system is needed

That's exactly what will that newfound freedom not last long.

It just needs to be a mostly worldwide change otherwise it will be crushed by autoritharians as history showed.

>>36474

we?

>>36474

but remember, democracy or "majority consensus" is tyranny by majority.

This is why no one single president or politician could ever represent any and all people in the entire world fairly. We need a new system that functions on the philosophy that the greatest expression of freedom is doing whatever you want so long as it does not harm or effect anyone else.

>>36474

>>36500

new version of copypaste

Voting is just another tool used by authoritarians to cloak and justify their power as they can no longer rely on divine right since we burst that bubble, so they'll base their "right" to power on ad populum fallacies instead. Letting us vote is nothing but an empty gesture to give us the semblance of control when really the only options are the ones approved by the state and media. It's insane and defeatist to keep doing the same thing, voting over and over just because everyone else does, and expecting different results. It is no measure of good health to conform to an ill society. Democracy is tyranny by majority. This is why no ONE single politician, president, king, leader, or even group of people could ever represent any and all people in the entire world fairly, honestly, and without bias. We need a new system that functions on the philosophy that the greatest expression of freedom is doing whatever you want so long as it does not harm or effect anyone else. By voting you are voting yes for the system, you are going out of your way to scribble a check on a piece of paper that says "I have faith in this system". By continuously choosing the lesser of two evils, picking option poop over option doodoo, you are feeding the oppressive troll that is this system. If voting could truly change the system it would be illegal.

>>36091

>I develop hardware and software. I'm not a luddite.

The biggest luddite I know is also one of the more skilled greybeards I know.

>>36314

Uh-huh.

>>36315

Did I say that?

But in all honesty, they're probably not, because they're so massive and absurdly effective. I don't see an Enron-type event taking out Micro$haft or Apple, although M$ may start dying harder in the consumer sector as people become aware of the shit that Win10 pulls.

>>36509

>they're so massive and absurdly effective.

seriously? effective at making everyone miserable…

>oh senpai your corporation is so massive and absurd

>>36525

why?

>>36550

understood

>>36550

You write like a kid from /fringe/

>>36644

I don't see how, being that you have decided to target them and they are just defending themselves against your stupidity.

>>36675

They "decided to target." Then you defend their dimwitted replies. Wilful ignorance or shilling? Doesn't matter.

>>36682

I didn't know that everyone who calls out a shill is dimwitted and ignorant

>>36701

>>36684

>>36682

>>36675

>>36644

>>36641

>>36636

>>36615

>>36581

Please stop.

>>36704

>assuming everyone you don't like is the same person

only shills have pack mentality that stupid.

honestly I don't like all those posts, but some are legit.

why did you bother to mix them all together?

>>36715

>assuming that he's assuming they're all the same person

>not assuming that they're all shitposting and he wants all of them to stop

confirmed shill

>>36745

calling someone a shill for complaining that someone else is stupid

I will admit I made an assumption but I'm not a shill, and they are still stupid.

OP makes a good post and shills reduce the thread to shit flinging to fuck up the thread: the thread

OP don't ever stop making these threads. The shills hate it and that's why these fake ass people who seem to hate the thread and disagree stay in the thread and shit it up instead of just leaving. they are messing it up intentionally because you are telling the truth, shills thrive on lies. they eat up lies like vitamins. don't stop spreading the truth. they HATE it.

>>36774

I appreciate it. I won't. Don't stop either. If the original sentiment matters to anyone, it was worth it. Some people are interested in survival and tech without superficial adoption but this isn't the best place to bring up certain topics. Consider it no loss when it fades. Other threads for other times.