/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

>>36374

Dangerous, prevents you from ever getting an MRI, prone to infection, and I'd be worried about it migrating or breaking if it got hit too hard. But worst of all, it's not actually that useful.

>>36381

Only slightly more dangerous than a piercing or tattoo, doesn't affect MRI's (nor do they affect you), not prone to infection once it's healed, and won't get infected as long as you clean it properly before the procedure and during the healing process, and it has nowhere to migrate. Breaking is a risk, but if you're that concerned you can put the magnet closer to the inside blade of your finger.

I'm favor as long as they serve a purpose. I wouldn't consider "feeling magnetic fields" to be of much use beside the "coolness" factor.

>mfw I can't get out iron fillings from all over my fingers

>>36387

>doesn't affect MRI's

Although it does affect the imaging of the area of the hand (since its were you seem to be planning to put your magnet implant), you won't be (probably) be getting an MRI for that, thus the danger would be clearly something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BBx8BwLhqg

>>36393

>>mfw I can't get out iron fillings from all over my fingers

Just use an xbox-hueg magnet to do it.

>>36393

I'm with this guy, >>36374. I don't really see the point of getting an implant unless I have a really practical reason for it.

>>36398

And rip your magnet implant apart?

There's actually a company thats making tech that interacts with the magnet as a haptic.

http://www.grindhousewetware.com

>>36401

>>36393

You're overestimating the size and strength of the magnet. It is the strongest neodymium magnet you can get, yes, but in terms of danger in an MRI it's not a big deal. People with the implant have gone through MRIs. They said that it's only mildly uncomfortable, but otherwise there's no problem. Also, MRI techs have stuff for dealing with people who have metal in their bodies (think war vets, people who have screws holding their hip together, etc), the same way they can cover you with a lead blanket for an xray.

Also the likelihood of needing an MRI is pretty low, especially for something related to your hand. Not to mention, there are other tests that can be done.

In terms of useful practical applications, you can tell if electrical wires are live or not, and same with any kind of electronic device. This could be useful in jobs where you have to deal with electricity a lot, or could help you determine whether something was plugged in, or if a wire was dangerous (live).

Other than that, the ability to gain another sense to feel the loads of electromagnetic fields that surround you every day is pretty damn /cyber/. Shit we only see a fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum, imagine being able to feel and sense more information than any normal human.

For an hour or so procedure with relatively low risk, I'd say that's pretty worth it to be able to get in at what is essentially the functional ground floor of transhumanism and augmentation.

>>36430

Also the magnet breaking is not that likely. You'd have to do something to your finger that would seriously fuck up your finger in the first place, like get it smashed. If it does break, it can possibly recombine in your finger (it's happened to some people), but worst case scenario you just go to your doctor and they can take it out.

>>36427

>The Bottlenose interacts with an implanted magnet by taking in a large range of data such as sonar, UV, Wi-Fi, or thermal information and translates it to a magnetic field via induction.

AW YE-

>Grindhouse Wetware also provides a haptic version of the Bottlenose, which does not require a magnet implant. The haptic model vibrates with varying intensity in the presence of sensory information.

Well shit

Still pointless

>>36433

Remember this is still the ground floor. These guys are working on their own. If a major company got in on this the progress would be way faster. We definitely have the capability to make these things smaller.

I'm just saying, you're surrounded by electromagnetic fields everywhere you go in the modern world. It's something that surrounds us all the time every day in modern life. You are living in a time where you can actually gain a new sense because there's actually something to feel. You can feel the electromagnetic pulse of the city. Tell me that isn't /cyber/ as fuck. Tell me, nigga.

>>36436

Yes, it's /cyber/ as fuck

But just like most other things that are /cyber/ as fuck, they are completely and utterly useless outside of the novelty value

Your other senses have many practical uses, but sensing electromagnetism is only useful in very few incredibly specific scenarios, making it not worth the(fairly high) cost of admission

Having a new sense is cool and all, but goddamn

>>36445

The magnets are like, less than $50 bucks, and the guys who sell the magnet sell a kit to do it for like another $20. It's under $100 total, unless you wanna pay someone to do it, like a body modder and even that's not that much. Maybe around $300 or so total. That's less than a new smartphone. Less than some tattoos, actually.

I'm just saying its the first functional, low-cost, relatively easy and actually effective implant. You gain something from it, it may be kind of small, but you still get something out of it with a relatively small amount of effort.

>>36445

Also I mean think about the sense of smell, it's not always 'useful' but it still adds something to your life.

>>36452

> … the sense of smell,

> not always 'useful'

> The only way of checking if the food is rotten without putting it in your mouth

> The only sense to analyze composition of air that you breath in

> Allows to detect smelly enemies many yards away

> not always 'useful'

>>36451

Wow, you've shown me the light

Who cares about all the potential problems and discomfort when you can get it for less than a hundred dollars? You're practically MAKING brouzouf at that point, right?

>>36430

>Also, MRI techs have stuff for dealing with people who have metal in their bodies (think war vets, people who have screws holding their hip together, etc)

Yeah, they can because most prosthetics are not magnetic. Those that are can't have MRIs over a certain quantity. And even in those cases you can, precise minutiae/detail is lost due to requiring specific calibration to even get a superficial scan.

Notice that this is the case with magnetic materials, while your implants would be an actual magnet, so its effect would be greater than what has been said above.

>>36455

You forgot to mention that most of what people perceive/think of as "taste" is actually the sense f "smell" too.

>>36466

They only have to be ferrous, that's why I said war vets too. There are people with shrapnel in them and bullets or bullet fragments that are ferrous.

>>36465

You said it had a high cost of admission. It doesn't it's fairly cheap, and low risk. Potential problems are infection, which is a risk with literally any cut you get, and is easily solved by keeping your workspace clean, your tools clean, and the implant clean, and properly treating the implant site while it's healing. Other than that you have crushing the magnet, but if you manage to crush the magnet, chances are you've very severely crushed your hand.

>>36455

I said not *always* useful. You can easily live without a sense of smell. You can tell if food is rotten by looking at it or touching it. It has useful functions but they are specific, except for when they add to your life. How often do you NEED your sense of smell to protect you from something, (rotten food, chemical smell, etc) in comparison to how you just enjoy it's abilities (smelling food, smelling someone, smelling something nice)?

Yes, it's not the most useful thing for everybody, but it definitely gives you another sense, which lets you feel something that only matters in the modern world and all the tech in it, and for less than $100, and some relatively minimal risk, that's pretty cool.

I figured at least /cyber/punks would see the worth in that.

>>36483

I can actually see the use. However, I do work with electrical equipment on a regular basis.

Although, as you stated, it is, /cyber/ as fuck

Just stick the magnet on your fingertip with a band-aid or some tape, that way you can remove it quickly too. Fucking plebs sticking things under their skin unneccesarily

>get magnet implanted in fingers

>can never touch hdd, processor, gpu, or ram ever again

>>36489

False.

>>36374

I had one in me for about a week. It's real fun, but don't use it straight after or a week after surgery. The surgery can take about an 1-2 hours with a scalpel or ten minutes with the pump thingy the Dangerous Things sell with their magnet. I only had to take mine out because of complications. Everything was solid that I did, except I bought my magnet off of ebay so I doubt it was coated with real gold at all.

>>36483

>You said it had a high cost of admission.

I never said the price was monetary.

Potential discomfort includes both the side effects of having a magnet implanted in the thing you hold things with, and the side effects of having a relatively large fucking lump in the thing you hold things with

And it's not like it's connected to the bone, it's just sorta floating free in there(at least as much as it can "float" in layers of muscle and connective tissue), meaning depending on exactly where you have it implanted, and the kinds of things you do every day, there will be problems

Like holding things that have magnets in them? Well I hope you enjoy mild discomfort and constantly having to watch your hand movements unless you want do deal with a magnet doing painful backflips underneath your skin

And smell adds greatly to taste, which directly improves quality of life every single day

In fact, I would argue that sensing electromagnetism is even more useless today than it would be decades ago, BECAUSE of all the tech

"Wow, there's something big and electrical near me, by my powers of deduction I have concluded that I must be in a somewhat civilized area!"

Maybe it would be different if this was a sense we had naturally, and had evolved with, then we might be able to make better sense of it all, and associate it with other things in actually useful ways, but unfortunately that's not the case

>>36473

Hey, how would you feel about implanted cyber eyes that could also receive wireless video?

>>36507

It most likely won't because right now it's illegal for doctors to do implants. The law forbids it, the law in Australia goes something like "a doctor mustn't cause bodily harm to a patient with the intent to scar" an obvious exception is surgery required to save your life in some way.

>>36374

The only implant I'd get would be placing a functional mp3 player into my ears through ear surgery/metallic tattoos to connect both ears together.

Scientists, get your rats and make it already.

>>36535

>the law in Australia goes something like "a doctor mustn't cause bodily harm to a patient with the intent to scar"

What

That's fucking retarded

Is death considered a "scar"?

What about mental or internal trauma, are those "scars"?

And how is an elective surgery considered a scar?

Can people not get breast implants in australia?

Goddamn what the fuck is wrong with australians

>>36542

What did you expect? They literally live in upside-down world down there.

>>36465

kek

>>36473

Why settle for 20/20? You could easily have more range, improve your low-light capabilities AND in different spectrum (infrared, ultraviolet, microwaves, radiation, etc).

Datajack wouldn't be of much used atm, but muscle grafts might be possible taking into account the artificial muscle fibers that have already been developed.

>>36483

>You can tell if food is rotten by looking at it or touching it.

Sometimes you can't, but smell works even when appearances are otherwise. Also

>touching rotten food

>but it definitely gives you another sense

Not really, it only enhances the sense of touch to "sense" something that most of us find pointless. I don't see why you are trying to convince people in the thread if its your body that you are modifying. Do you need some validation to actually go through with the implant or something?

>>36490

Not really, you'd need to wear some insulation everytime when in actual direct contact with it.

>>36535

Most countries don't have retarded laws like that.

What excuse do they use for plastic surgery?

For everyone interested in bionic eyes

http://ocumetics.com

>>36505

I'd be worried about getting my vision jammed.

>>36547

>>36542

They have the same law in America, guys. You know "first do no harm"? That's why augmentation isn't a thing. Doctors will lose their license if they do any surgery that's not approved of, and is for the purpose of healing someone.

There are still arguments that are against cosmetic surgery because of that.

>>36503

It doesn't float. Take like 5 minutes and google the shit, and you'll find out how most of the stuff your saying isn't true. The magnet can't and won't "backflip" the magnet doesn't have pull that large. You're severely overestimating the size of the magnet. It doesn't cause a large bump, and it doesn't produce a field large enough to pick anything up larger than a paperclip when it's in your skin. Also how many times a year do you hold shit with magnets in it?

There are people who have done this before. Several. Go read the shit they've written about it. It doesn't cause daily interference with their lives or discomfort.

>>36537

There's a dude doing that. It gets implanted in the little fold on the opposite side of your outer ear and vibrates.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/biohacking-implanted-headphones

>>36558

I don't need validation, I'm doing it anyway, it's just kinda disappointing that nobody here seems to get it.

Also it doesn't just enhance your sense of touch exactly, neuroplasticity means that your brain starts to read it as a unique sense.

Also it's annoying to keep hearing people say the same shit which is completely wrong.

Also you don't. HDD's are not sensitive enough to be affected by the magnet. They're insulated already. Same thing with everything else. It's safe to touch them while they're on, but you shouldn't and won't be doing that anyway. Also magnets don't just fuck up electronics. Y'all need to learn about this stuff.

Even if it did affect those things, the active field is incredibly small, you'd just need to be careful not to touch your finger to it too closely, and those are all components you'd be taking care not to fuck up when you're handling them anyway.

I'm with you OP. I've wanted this for a while, for not significantly more reason than "this is /cyber/ as fuck". Sure it's not worth it for normies, but for those who get it? This is damn cool.

>>36579

Now THAT is an implnt I could behind.

>>36595

>they have the same law in America

>cosmetic surgery goes on without a hitch

So if I claim that not having [insert whatever said implant does here] hurts me, I could get it even with that law?

>>36598

>neuroplasticity means that your brain starts to read it as a unique sense

There is not enough evidence for the implants to claim that yet.

>HDD's are not sensitive enough to be affected by the magnet

>proceeds to say they do

lol, make up your mind.

In any case, they were probably referring to people that actually handle/repair such and not those that just mess with a case once in a while.

>>36625

Technically, yes, but you're not the one at risk. You'd have to convince a surgeon that so he can make that legal claim. Basically no surgeon is going to do it though because they risk losing their license. If you had the kind of brouzouf or political power to throw around though I would be looking into how they explain cosmetic surgery and use a similar argument.

If you read up on neuroplasticity it's been demonstrated in various things. Also people with the implant report it feeling that way. That's all that matters anyway.

Also I said that and HDD wouldn't be affected and it wouldn't. I just went further to say that *even if* it did, it wouldn't take much effort to just make sure to keep your finger off it.

Then again I plan to use my ring finger, so.

>>36617

My only true Nubian brother.

>>36558

>What excuse do they use for plastic surgery?

I have no idea. I actually know plastic surgery is extremely low here. I don't know of anybody who has ever had it for any reason (becoming opposite sex, wants a nose job). My guess is it has to be beneficial to your health and lifestyle for it to be legal. In cases like piercers or something, they're not doctors so that law doesn't really apply to them. But they can still get a prison sentence for implants afaik.

>>36913

>People who get implants can't conveniently get rid of them

Yes they can, the magnets are made to be really easy to remove. Ten second cut and pull it out with tweezers, close the wound up.

When I had a magnet implanted it was pretty fun. But aside from the little fun you have every now and again you don't really notice its there. Its one of those implants that are fun at first but become irrelevant very quickly.

I like the idea of implanted technology. However, as it stands it is far too prone to mishaps, dangerous, there's problems with infections, all kinds of shit.

As great as the possibilities are, there needs to be more time and monetary investment put into doing proper research.

If you want to be a high tech low life grinder, fine, but when you have an infection that requires amputating your finger or taking a chunk of muscle out of your wrist, I'll just fucking laugh at you.

ITT pussies afraid of a little heavy metal poisoning

I've had mine for about 3 months now. To be honest it's totally a gimmick and not really good for much. I can only feel really strong fields (i.e. motors) and it's occasionally useful for holding small screws while disassembling things. Sometimes when I pick things up the wrong way it gets pinched somehow and hurts. If I was doing it again I'd put it on the pinky side of my ring finger instead of the middle side. Also if I put it in a magnetic field for too long it gets sore. There's been a darkened area around where the magnet is since early on, not sure if that's just bruising or if it's leaking, but it seems fine.

It cost me $50 and a bottle of vodka. I'd say that's a pretty good deal.

If you are into it for the sensory extension, I recall that a few labs have experimented with magnet-belts. You may want to look into these. The subjects reported an increased navigational ability, to the point of feeling lost and disoriented after the experiment finished and they stopped using the device. Cheap, easy to make, and safe.

>>37039

Oops, sorry. Not magnet-belts, but belts with tiny motors that vibrate signalling relative North position.

>>36473

>You can get equal functionality by wearing a ring with a magnet.

I've worn a magnet taped to my finger for a few weeks a few times and while the effect was noticeable (I could distinguish between aluminium and steel for example), it wasn't as strong as reported by people who had it implanted.

>>36558

>Not really, you'd need to wear some insulation everytime when in actual direct contact with it.

No. Neither is the field very strong, nor is any modern component spooked by magnetic fields that weak. You could touch the hard drive platter and you'd have to worry about dust and prints more than about the bits flipping.

>>37039

>>37040

Yeah most of the stuff you can technically implant works just fine as a wearable. There's little benefit to stuffing things under your skin, with the exception of magnets or blood monitors maybe.

>>36537

That's called a hearing aid. Maybe a little beefed up but any hearing aid can do that already.

at first i thought this was retarded but after seeing what other people are doing (

https://blog.credit.com/2015/03/forgot-your-password-its-in-your-skin-110030/

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31042477

) i have to say carry on, it's cool. nothing you can do can ever be nearly as stupid as what the normies do.