No.36783
And what do you think the religions of the future will be?
No.36787
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>What religions are /cyber/?
None. Most are made in the bronze age, and aren't very /cyber/ or schway.
>And what do you think the religions of the future will be?
The religions of the future will be mostly the same today. The major ones that have been around for thousands of years aren't doing away. And it's not like they'll undergo a massive change any time soon.
Small cults won't change. They'll be esoteric and drug fueled/brain washing that entirely abusive.
No.36788
>>36787
Well I personally think scientology is /cyber/. It is a powerful criminal multinational corporate religion.
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No.36814
>>36813
Just because something is /cyber/ doesn't mean it is good. A lot of /cyber/ things are horrible things done to the plebs.
No.36819
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No.36822
None. Except perhaps a metaphorical worship of science and technology or something like WH40k
No.36825
i am buddist the lotus sutra from Nichiren Daishonin, it basically says that every people can get illumination no matter circunstances.
No.36828
No.36830
>>36783
>datamining thread
No.36831
>>36830
So the Feds know what to convert people to to make the future schway as fuck
No.36846
Atheism. The religion of an atheist is philosophy.
No.36848
>>36825
you are also retarded
No.36852
All of them can be, its just in how you present them.
No.36854
>>36828
>Being this heretical
No.36868
Religion and cyberpunk don't go together, because religion promotes naturality and cyberpunk does not.
>>36846
*tips*
>>36854
>being this gay
No.36872
>>36783
>What religions are /cyber/?
At the very least animism and spiritism, if we're talking Shadowrun.
In a purely technological hypothetical world probably none.
>And what do you think the religions of the future will be?
IRL? If we are to have any future they will merge, one way or another. Otherwise it's rocks fall, everybody dies for our kind.
No.36880
>>36868
mercerism, fuckhead.
In a cyberpunk society the odds are that the average person will want even more to identify with a simple, natural philosophy instead of the technological hell they live in.
No.36890
It seems to me that in this modern technological age we have an uncontrolled excess of wisdom (Chokmah.) Therefore, man shall attempt to worship his confusion (Ghagiel) in order to feel like he can control it.
There will be a few who will embrace more honest philosophies such as Discordianism but a lot will simply mindlessly parrot any ideas which they do not understand because it seems to their simple minds to have the same essence as wisdom.
Though they do not understand it they will be literally worshipping the Qlipah of Ghagiel and its gods, the overly proud outcasts of science who do not listen to reason. As Satan refused to bow down to man, so will their gods refuse to bow down to authority. I suppose eventually some such cult of Ghagiel may succeed in their attempts to conquer and overtake authority, whether scientific (in the universities) or political, and overtake and destroy modern society.
Others, such as wealthy CEOS, will know not the powers of wisdom they control underneath them and will abuse science to rape the earth and unleash untold harm onto the world.
No.36899
>shazbots so close-minded to think religion has nothing to with religion
>not having read Snow Crash
>not having read Hyperion (not exactly cyber, but it has a perfect example of a technolized Catholicism)
>not having seen Serial Experiments Lain
>not having played Shadowrun and the various religions derivated from tech, simstims, celebrities and cyberspace
>not having played Cyberpunk 2020
>not having read Digital Plague nor the Electric Church, both by Jeff Somers
>talking about cyberpunk and not having read and/or payed attetion to any of Gibson's works
>not having seeing Ghost in the Shell
>not having seeing Akira
>limiting their preconceptions to existing ideologies and ideas of the flesh
>not realizing that even cyberpunk by itself can be a religion
>not realizing religions are just older memes organized into a coherent narrative
Why are people so creative these days? Its like having access to so much information/knowledge actually dumbs down their capacity to analyze anything.
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No.37209
No.37227
>>36868
Chairman Sterling, this is a board for young people, not fossilized Baby Boomers.
No.37233
>>36783
Agnostic here. Religion is incredibly not-cyber until you go all the way back to the Sumerians, and even then that's in exactly one book that managed to draw ties between Sumerian myths and modern programming.
>>36819
Hey, it's that guy. Still need to figure out the context of this one.
No.37238
>>37233
Have you never read Transmetropolitan ? It's schway as fuck.
The context is Spider beating the truth out of a man with a chair leg.
No.37243
>>37238
Time to go read Transmetropolitan, then.
No.37252
Can we use meme magic to create digital Gods of Chaos?
No.37253
I've been really thinking about getting into Buddhism. It almost seems more like a lifestyle choice than a religion though considering you don't really pray to anything. Yes there are deities involved but they aren't where you find absolution or anything.
No.37254
>Not talking about voodoo gods controlling people through computers.
It's like you never read Gibson.
No.37257
>>37233
>Religion is incredibly not-cyber
Unless it is, fag
No.37261
>>37257
did you not read anything else from my post, shaz?
>until you go all the way back to the Sumerians, and even then that's in exactly one book that managed to draw ties between Sumerian myths and modern programming.
Religion is cyber in one instance that I know of.
There's also several other references that other people brought up, a lot of them from Gibson.
Get your shit together, man. You're going 0xDEADBEEF on me.
No.37272
>>37261
>>Religion is cyber in one instance that I know of.
>therefore, it's only cyber in that one instance, plus what they said
>but Religion is still incredibly not-cyber
bet you wish you could downvote me.
No.37274
>>36899
Yeah all those works of fiction and fucking anime sure are totally realistic depictions of people and a likely/plausible future.
Sure, Akira is a realistic depiction of the future of religion. Can't wait for my blue moldy potato child to get eaten by a blob.
No.37277
>>37272
Did you not see the "except", shazbot?
No.37282
I think the deeper we go in technology, the more we lose touch with religion. There are more atheists today than ever before, and a great lot of religious folk aren't even very devoted. Just look at the developed countries, they have the most access to technology, and they're usually the ones with the most atheists. It's gonna be a long while(not in the life time of anyone here) before we humans completely forbid god, but my point is, a society cyber society with lots of technology and crazy science probably wouldn't have a religion.
No.37283
>>37261
See >>36899
I'm seriously disappointed in how close minded cyber really is.
>>37274
>talking about a FICTION genre
>complains that anon's suggestions aren't realistic enough
kek
No.37288
The world will become one huge society integrating all of the different religions together so they are all believed at the same time. The conflicting ideologies some how are rendered to coexistence through reason. Each religion will have its own place, and will be respected as just one part of spirituality.
No.37296
>>37283
>kek
As convincing of an argument as that is…
>>37283
>talking about a FICTION genre
This thread is about what the future of religions in the real world will be.
No.37301
>>37252
Yes.
How can a god exist if no one believes in them?
>>37296
Please read the opening post again.
It deals with what religions are cyberpunk
AND
Religions of the future.
Whether you treat each of these as separate issues or part of the same question, every single comment thrown in this thread is fiction. You shouldn't be thinking somehow your opinion based on a lack of knowledge about both cyberpunk & the future should somehow be superior to those that are actually basing their opinion for a fictional issue on said fictional facts.
No.37308
>>37277
>Ctrl+F "except"
BTFO, mate.
No.37333
>>37308
Could've sworn I had an except in there.
No.37334
>>37301
>How can a god exist if no one believes in them?
Believing right now.
No.37335
I'm atheist, but still anyone who has watched enough cyberpunk knows that cities or at least a place where an specific ethnic and/or religious group live almost alienated from other cultures but not away from high tech, it's pretty much cyb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(film)
I see nobody has mentioned this film, which is an example of religion in cyberpunk
No.37349
>>36899
Serial Experiments Lain does not support the idea of religion. When Lain is confronted by "the god of the wired" she uses simple logic to literally destroy him. The conclusion of Layer 04 was that there is no God, only elevated users; but there are ones that want control over your mind, and keep you from integrating into the ether.
No.37372
Neural implantation technology will produce Morpheus, a chip that creates hallucination likened to that of atypical psychedelics. Originally planned as a tool for recreation, and to invoke creativity, will become a link to the so called " warp " for a religion called techno shamanism.
No.37393
>>37372
Technoshamanism and techngnosticism is the way to go.
I don't know how optogenetic/optoelectronic modulation of thought patterns will replicate the chemically modulated patterns, but I'd like to do LSD while running a fractalic self-metaprogrammatic modification of my thought polyalgorithm
No.37475
The point of religion is to have something that is greater than one's self. It allows us to look at something and see beauty where pain and brutality is a reality. A religion of the future would have to give people hope if they choose to contribute toward the wellbeing of their equals in humbleness.
No.37479
>>36783
Agnosticism and Pessimistic Deism.
No.37480
>>36899
>>not having played Shadowrun and the various religions derivated from tech, simstims, celebrities and cyberspace
I don't use proprietary software. I try to live the schway life.
No.37510
Am i the only one to pray the wifi god when i have a shitty signal?
No.37535
>>37475
Reevaluating the "education" i "enjoyed" in my youth by yours truely the catholic madhouse, I belive the single point of religions is the subduing of free thought and controling the mind of their disciples.
Σ established religions are dystopian atractors.
No.37556
>religion you in
islam, im pretty sure im the only one here.
>the future of religion
none. 90%+ of the world population will go into atheism, agnotheism and weird spiritual stuff.
No.37558
>>36830
There's a desktop thread on this board btw.
No.37565
>>37556
So you're a Muslim that doesn't believe that Islam will conquer the world?
Next you'll tell us that you eat pork and drink alcohol.
No.38529
I think the joke religions like Pastafarianism, Subgenius, Jedi, Catolic, Googlism, Dudeism and Frisbeetarian will become mainstream religion and people will forget the joke and start oppressing, boy-buggering and killing each other over them all over again.
No.38823
Children of Atom who worship nuclear and radioactive areas obsessed with mutation and cancer. Sects will branch out to huffing pollution in China and shit like tha.
Cult of Skynet who worship our AI overlords and submit willingly to them as slaves.
Second Lifers who much like Heavens Gate, commit mass ritual suicide in order to log in in a game world.
The Apple Pickers who devoutly worship Steve Jobs even 200 years later, conducting terrorist attacks on Corps like Microsoft.
No.38844
>>38529
>Pastafarianism
Those Flying Spaghetti Monster queers are so incredibly autistic, I don't even wish harm on them. Their lives are hard enough.
No.38918
>>37253
I was under the understanding that there are different types, similar to the catholics and lutherans, were there is buddhism with no dieties (the more life style one) and buddhism with dieties.
No.38931
Church of Freddit
>>36899
>>37202
samefag
No.38932
>>38918
there are, some are full on religions with deities that are prayed to and ceremonies dutifully performed. others are more philosophies, ways of life that focus more on the self than on practicing ceremonies and regularly praying.
i was into taoism for awhile and it was probably one of the most happiest and peaceful times of my life, but also when i was at my peak passivity. you really dont want to do anything when you start to believe that wanting to do things is near damning.
No.38933
Satire religions and very esoteric cults that neither of us know anything about.
No.38934
No.38935
>>38844
You got a problem with his noodley appendage?
No.38945
meme magic and social justice
No.38948
>>37565
>Muslim that doesn't believe that Islam will conquer the world?
there's indeed a prediction in islam that say's that before the appartition of jesus there will be a man, the imam mahdi, that will conquer and free the world from the dajjal or something like that.
which mean that in near future, the world is supposed to be under dajjal rule. His world will probably some kind of authoritarian world.
>Next you'll tell us that you eat pork and drink alcohol.
nah shit is haram.
No.38960
>>38823
Do you really think microsoft will be around that long?
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No.38966
>>38935
It's just too dweeby man. Too fedora-l.
No.38967
>>38966
>dweeb
90s bully pls go.
No.39001
>>38967
Shut up dork, or I am gonna give your swirly.
No.39019
There is only one religion
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No.39037
No.39930
>>37565
the UN says the Muslim population will be even to the christian population.
also, you'll prolly like this guy's deviantart stuff. He talks a little about religious syncretism regarding "St. Muhammed" and whatnot in Africa (in some of his timelines, Islam has a weird hippy turnabout, in a world where basically the US goes batshit insane religious after 9/1 and the europeans let in refugees from America's wars in the Levant…..and then the muslims try to take over Europe and get kicked out and then Islam is banned…..and is then smuggled in in pieces and ends up being a hippy religion.
http://mattystereo.deviantart.com/
http://mattystereo.deviantart.com/
No.39931
>>38960
Ford is around like a century later, and Mitsubishi and similar Zaibatsiu are from like before WWII in Japan, and Nokia dates from a well or windmill bought during Russian rule of Finland in 1800s
No.39934
There sure are a lot of discordians in this thread.
No.39965
It will be emotional based instead of law based. It will be New Age + computer shit. Instead of moral systems it will actually be spiritual drugs
No.40002
Orthodox Christianity.
No wetware, your body is a temple.
Resist decadence for asceticism.
No.40011
>>40002
Literally the most un-cyber shit imaginable.
No.40031
>>40011
cyber is built on constrasts.
To be a samurai in feudal Japan is not cyber but to be a samurai in NeoTokyo is cyber as fuck.
No.40033
>>40011
Are you a data pagan and/or cyber vegan?
No.40057
>>36848
Heh, u mas nihilist fag?
No.40065
>>40002
>>40031
I think the fucking point is that it is a backwards and bigoted response to a world with man-made expansions of human perception and capability. Maybe fitting to a weird cult or terrorist group, not some l33t sanctimonious operator.
No.40070
>>40031
So being orthodox slavshit in US is cyber?
No.40103
The cyberbrain equivalent of zombie networks (see: GiTS, "The Individual Eleven")
I can also see the masses unemployed by automation worshiping a strong AI.
It all depends on how you define "religion". Are the people whom will cling to the idea of a nation-state part of a collective religion?
No.40241
Imagine more powerful version of Stef*n Mol*neux. A personality cult with a higher cause and guru preaching through the interwebz.
No.40253
Smug snake asks, did you read your Holy Book today?
No.40254
No.40257
>>39019
HAIL ERIS!
THE CHURCH OF DIVINE DISCORDIA SHALL RISE!
BROTHERS!!!!!!
No.40767
What religions would AI believe in?
No.40774
Anyone remembers Inglip meme?
Imagine it, except not ironic.
No.40811
>>40774
John Oliver had a really successful religion for a while. it was just ironic though.
People who are less into mainstream culture but still can't science believe pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo like brain-controlled quantum entanglement that works totally differently than the kind of entanglement in actual science. I guess pseudoscience-based religions will stick around for a while.
Still better than the invisible man in the sky. I fucking hate christians, jews and muslims. Even scientology makes more sense.
No.40818
>>40812
Roko's Basilisk is really silly. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you'd want a hypothetical future AI to remember you fondly or not when you're dead.
>>40774
So you mean like how Terry Davids "talks to god" by generating random samples from the bible?
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No.40835
>>40818
i don't think you quite get roko's basilisk.
it says you could be dead RIGHT NOW and your actions decide whether or not you'll be tortured anytime soon.
ofc you still shouldn't give in to blackmail.
No.40842
>>40818
My problems with Roko's Basilisk are
- it's a thought experiment based on a logical paradox.
The whole purpose of logical paradoxes is to highlights in your logic,
so models of reality based on it are pretty much guaranteed to be wrong.
- it assumes that an AI can emulate whole reality perfectly.
I doubt that's actually possible.
But judging by LW's reaction to it, yes, it's perfectly fine as cornerstone for a trans-humanist religion.
No.40843
>>40835
I don't think you understand Roko's Basilisk (I can be condescending too.)
An AI simulating you being tortured isn't you suffering an eternity in hell but is just an AI thinking angry thoughts about you.
No.40852
>>40843
Unless you're already in the simulation.
So, either you're real, the AI hasn't been created yet, and your actions now will decide whether sim-you is going to be tortured for all eternity, I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream style, or the Matrix has you, and the real you's actions have already decided your fate.
Or perhaps this is the sim, and the AI is using the simulation to decide how your original acted.
The question here is, can sim-you act differently to real-you? And if the sim took a different path would the AI torture you anyway?
And if sim-you fucks up when real-you did the right thing by the AI would it change its mind and torture you?
No.40864
>>38823
I could honestly imagine Apple Pickers happening and having holy wars with Sacred Mice, those that choose to follow the path laid out by their lord and savior Mickey Mouse.