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 No.37421

/cyber/ i'll need some help, i want to start using linux but i have no idea what to use, and how to start. what would you recommend for a totally new user?

 No.37422

bump


 No.37423

Get Ubuntu, it works out of the box. Then start ricing it so you'll get used to all kind of stuff like the terminal. Prepare to read and google a ton of stuff. Or try using it as you are used to, you'll get into it sooner or later.

Later, try out some other flavours. Maybe setup a server with Arch, it's pretty nearly documentated.


 No.37433

>>37421

Xubuntu


 No.37436

throw yourself into the deep end (or off a building if you like) and install openbsd


 No.37441

>>37421

I like Mint, it's the better alternative for a beginner who doesn't wanna spend a lot of time and keep learning the linux basics as needed.

http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

If you have a little more time to spend try Debian, that's the distribution I currently use.

There are other options out there too, check them out.

http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

https://www.debian.org/distrib/


 No.37442

>>37421

Get LMDE if you really need your desktop to just werk. I advise moving to Debian as soon as possible, though.


 No.37445

>>37421

Depends why you want to install it to calculate your benefit of using it. Are you wanting to install it because you like Linux and don't use much windows/osx software anyway or are you doing it because people on chan's are pressuring you into using it ("you're not schway if you use osx/windows")? If its the latter just stick with your current system.


 No.37487

can i still install Linux if the manufacturer didn't offer me linux drivers?


 No.37490

>>37487

unless you have super weird hardware, compatibility with open source drivers shouldn't be a problem. Even if you still want officially signed drivers (not very cyber) there are drivers for linux available.

See for instance NVIDIA and AMD drivers

https://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-linux-beta-driver.aspx

The most popular distributions already include drivers in your download image, so I wouldn't worry too much.


 No.37491

Debian is alright, if you don't mind SystemD. Gentoo is bretty good, if you can get past the installation.


 No.37492

>>37490

>not very cyber

Stop that shit. The cyber half of cyberpunk isn't defined solely by being a freetard.


 No.37493

Take this, it's pretty helpful

https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/Home

>inb4 google is megacorp and that site cannot be trusted


 No.37500

>>37492

>using software from megacorps over community-developed software is cyber

fuck off coping wintard

>>37421

Don't use ubuntu, it's fucking shit. Every time I have to fix someone's install it's because ubuntu broke yet again in a new and more imaginative way. They want so badly to be Apple but they've only managed the part where they ignore fuckups.

Use something pure Debian based for the stability, upgrade to testing when you're ready to start learning to field updates.

I started with Crunchbang which forced me to configure things with text files and not be afraid of the command line. I think it worked out well.


 No.37517

>>37500

yea #! (or bunsen Lab) is a very good way to start off! i did it 2 but now moved to debian jessie.. (not in the #! release) still running openbox though still looking for a more minimalist setup maybe 2bwm.. i like to get the most out of my game pc ;p


 No.37519

Install Gentoo


 No.37520

>>37500

>y-you NEED to subscribe to my political and social t-theories and only use the software under MY l-license, or y-you can't be cyber, g-gaise!


 No.37572

>>37520

whatever you need to meme to convince yourself that your megacorp cuckware is cyber, buddy

>>37517

I just went from OpenBox to i3 and I appreciate the minimalism a lot, especially in the config. No more XML.


 No.37579

The truth is, OP, it doesn't really matter.

The main differences between distros are how packages are managed, whether it's stable or whether it goes for more up to date software, and how init works. Find a distro which handles those first two points how you think is best; init can be considered when you know a bit more. I would suggest picking one which is easy to install. and comes with a decent amount of software so you can get right to it.

Do not bother ricing your desktop, it is a waste of time. I would suggest using XFCE as your DE as it's the one I've found most comfortable to use, second only to Window Maker for comfiness. XFCE is pretty modest on your resources without sacrificing usability, too, so it doesn't matter if you're running on a toaster.

In order to learn about GNU/Linux, I would suggest pirating the CBT Nuggets Linux+ videos and then watching them. It's much easier to learn from videos than it is to read manpages, after all. After watching a video, try out what you learned in it so it sticks in your memory better. In addition to that, try out Bandit on Over The Wire once you've gotten a good idea of how to navigate over command line. Oh, and get used to using vi[m] - every *nix box under the sun has it in some form or another, so if you ever need to use your wizardry on another computer you won't flounder about because you don't have Emacs.


 No.37648

>>37492

>using corporate malware


 No.37736

>>37423

Don't get Ubuntu, it comes with Amazon spyware. Use a fork like Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, or if you really want a truly free OS Trisquel.


 No.37967

>>37579

How would one acquire CBT nuggets linux vids?

I've searched kickass torrents and found nothing.


 No.38001

>>37648

Please name one cyberpunk book that clearly states a character used linux over a corporate OS. Just one, it can be one from any of the stable books that have made the genre boom. Even if they reference the word linux, I'll give it to you.


 No.38027

>>38001

holy shit get the fuck out cancer


 No.38039

>>37579

>Do not bother ricing your desktop

GTFO

rice is love

rice is life

when you have a completely custom system (both look and feel) with custom colors, decorators, keybinds, etc all to your exact specifications one then are you a true unix wizard.


 No.38046

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>>38001

>Please name one cyberpunk book that clearly states a character used linux over a corporate OS. Just one, it can be one from any of the stable books that have made the genre boom.

Neuromancer came out in 1984 (back when Gibson didn't realize that hard disks can make noise).

Cyberpunk was a massive hype storm until about 1989. So any of the important books that made the genre boom would have to have come out no later than 1989.

Linux was invented in 1991.

I certainly hope that you were acquainted with all of these facts before I repeated them.

If you were not unforgivably ignorant of these facts, then you were unforgivably lazy, because you couldn't be bothered to write in an informative manner. As a result, your writing voice comes across as a passive-aggressive parody of the Socratic method.

If you could stop writing like that on this board, that would be great.


 No.38050

>>38001

please name one cyberpunk book that has stated that the character uses a proprietary operating system


 No.38051

>>38001

please name one cyberpunk book that has stated that the character uses a proprietary operating system.


 No.38052


 No.38093

>>38001

You're an idiot if you think you can apply the concept of free software to original cyberpunk books.

GNU (we'll set this as the point where the concept of free software started existing, even though hacker culture had always share[d] the software) started being developed around 1983, just one year before Neuromancer got released. As you can expect, GNU was a niche project that only a few college students and specialists got to know about, and if you weren't a hacker yourself, it was something you weren't expected to know about. And needless to say, Gibson was far from being a hacker. In fact, Gibson did his research before writing his stories, but you can't expect someone who didn't even have a computer at home to know about some obscure event that nobody expected to become important in the future. Fuck, the completely made up jargon in his novels further reinforces the point that he just had a general idea of how tech worked, let alone how the tech community worked.

As >>38046 correctly pointed out, Linux appeared in fucking 1991, and it would still take some time to become popular. It's physically impossible for a novel written in 1983 to mention something that wasn't even invented yet.

While it's true software freedom has never been a major point in any cyberpunk novel, explicitly stressing that the characters were using proprietary software was also not something original cyberpunk did, and the real reason behind this is probably that original cyberpunk is a fairly soft sci-fi; it explains what stuff does and sets a basic set of rules or laws where they can build from, but it never goes in depth, and therefore software just "is". Stuff just werks because it was made to work like that, but don't ever question if this is practical or even plausible in real life because you might get disappointed.

Why is it soft sci-fi, anyway? The answer is fairly simple: Gibson was not an engineer, and neither were most authors. The level of technical detail he managed to get in his novels was incredible for a novelist who knew fuck all about computers, but it falls apart when scrutinized because, well, he knew fuck all about computers, which is why free software isn't mentioned in his works.

However, if we go a bit farther in the future, we can find movies like The Matrix Reloaded (not Gibsonian Cyberpunk, but it could be considered cyberpunk as well. YMMV) where there is the famous nmap (free software) scene, being used in something that kind of looks like it could be GNU/Linux (free software) just before using ssh (free software as well). Tron Legacy also had a scene where they used Solaris and several Unix commands, and if I am not mistaken, it was also mentioned that Skynet ran on Linux in one of the movies.

The tl;dr of this is that free software isn't mentioned in cyberpunk because its authors weren't huge nerds like us (except Neal Stephenson who actually did write about Linux in "In the Beginning… Was the Command Line", but it was some years after writing Snow Crash). They didn't know why free software is important, and probably never considered the risks of proprietary software, which kinda clashes with the persistent cyberpunk theme of paranoia, and therefore we can deduce they probably just overlooked it.


 No.38096

>>38052

>I certainly hope that you were acquainted with all of these facts before I repeated them

I did and my point still stands. If the foundation of a genre didn't have a specific resource, or knowledge, at the time then it is not a part of the genre. My point is: linux wasn't a thing when the genre became a hit. So it is inherently /not/ a part of the cyberpunk genre. Now, I don't know what's wrong with everyone on this site screaming and rocking back and forth whenever someone mentions 'windows' or 'apple', but does it really bother you that much what some insignificant anon on the other side of the world uses on /their/ computer? Why are you trying to force a connection between cyberpunk and linux so you can alienate people into using it? Hint: if it does bother you then good luck with the rest of your life.


 No.38099

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Get whatever Linux distro, doesn't matter

Then start here:

http://linuxcommand.org/

>Now what?

>

>You have Linux installed and running. The GUI is working fine, but you are getting tired of changing your desktop themes. You keep seeing this "terminal" thing.

>

>Don't worry, we'll show you what to do.


 No.38117

>>37423

In my experience, ricing a pre-configured distro is more difficult than ricing something like Arch.


 No.38315

>>37967

Try "CompTIA Linux+".

>>38039

You become familiar with config files; a wizard with a window manager, but not the OS it runs on. A ricer is like the person who claims to be good with computers, so long as "computers" means vidya, connecting to the internet, and browsing the web.




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