/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

Seriously, check out the old Talsorian Cyberpunk 2020 rules.

I have an old schoolmate who has been GMing and wargaming since we were teens, (40s now lol oldfags) and Cyberpunk is his go-to system for most of his strange intergenre experiments and his campaigns combining board wargames and roleplaying.

The whole setting was written in the 80's, too, so you've got some interesting zeerust on what they thought the internet and the political scene would be like by now.

Actually, the original game was Cyberpunk 2015, that would be funny to play now.

>>38836

Ima definietely check out the 2020 rules in regards to Matrix rules especially (heard they kick ass), but also for Cyberware prices and such.

Problem is that the dice system just isn't SR as far as I know, the SR-fags want the hands full of D6's, believe me, I asked em on Dumpshock.

But I might well implement some mechanics from the Cyberpunk rpgs, I got em on PDF, just haven't looked into it yet.

I ripped off the chase scene mechanic from an old 007 rpg. :D

>>38836

And also, the Lifepath in Cyberpunk kicks fucking ASS!

Honestly, since this is mostly tabletop-related, I think you might get some more input in /tg/ than here. Specially when you manage to get some work done and presented.

>>39034

Thanks, ima do that.

I might post back here again when sopmething comes of it.

Cheers.

>>39034

I don't really think so. This board is one half /tech/, other half /tg/, so you can come up with some decent ideas here too and even a somewhat plausible hacking system if you want.

Fuck, we had a thread on a cyberpunk tabletop game design some time ago, although nothing came out of it. >>33703

>>38815

As >>38836 said, look up Cyberpunk 2020. If you are willing to spend some time writing new rules, everything about it seems fairly easy to modify, except for the absurdly high lethality aspect that seems pretty much ingrained in the system. You may get around it by revamping the health points system, though.

Good thing about Interlock is that, being a base 10 system, you may just transform this base to 12 (just 2d6 their asses) or 6, depending on how you want to do it.

The game is based around a top difficulty of 30 divided in 3 parts (stat + skill + dice), each one of those having 10 as their maximum natural value. You may just balance the difficulty table around 36 with 12 for each part or 18 with 6 for each part. All implant modifiers may be simply left as-is in a base 12 game (making them less effective than in the vanilla game, but it would be very difficult to augment the cyberware's effects by 20% when most of them are in the +2/+3 range), or divided by 2 and rounding up if necessary when rebalancing implant bonuses (to make up for that 10% you just ate by dividing by 2). Fuck, if your players are addicted to mass d6 (which they will get when rolling for damage, don't worry), you can balance the game around base 30 and multiply every bonus by 3, which would make it much easier to balance.

>>38883

>Ima definietely check out the 2020 rules in regards to Matrix rules especially

Probably not a good idea. It's fun, but it's fucking slow and would be much more suitable for a one on one RP or a videogame.

To give you a brief idea, half of the corebook describes CP2020 rules, and the other half describes netrunning rules, and it's something only the netrunner gets to enjoy. It's really not something the rest of the party will have much fun with, as they will have to wait for the netrunner to finish because muh speed of thought.

I heard someone wanted to make a different netrunning system based on the same system as the overworld, but with programs instead of skill levels. That way not only you get to speed it up, but also it will make the rest of the party more willing to join the netrunner as its helpers if they have any (simpler) decks. With enough balancing you can keep the netrunner as the king of The Net while not boring the rest of the party with utter uselessness.

>>38836

It was 2013 actually, which makes it even funnier.

>>39098

Well, the other part is that /tg/ gets more traffic and thus, more possible users to contribute.

Obv I would love for this discussion to grow and develop here, but having both places as possibilities just increase OP's chances of something coming out of it.

>>39113

^

>>39277

>wireless

Disgusting.

>100.000 minimum for a cyber-arm is way too much

It's 75k for an obvious one, 100k for one which looks like your own flesh and blood. Get it right.

>>39282

>Disgusting.

I agree, but it sadly makes sense, and I think the way it is portrayed in GitS works is ok.

>It's 75k for an obvious one, 100k for one which looks like your own flesh and blood. Get it right.

Fuck you too.

And 75k isn't much better in the regard that I specified it in.

I am gonna post the price list which I made here in a while.

Had no time for translation today sadly.

Shadowrun Custom

1 - Basic Rules

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Tests

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You use six-side dice (D6) to determine how well your character deals with challenges. The GM should only demand a Test if the character is attempting a challenging task, if the task is being made more difficult by external influences, if the task has to be fulfilled in very short order, or in a combination of the above. The player makes a dice roll against a target number. Every die that rolls equal to or above this number is counted as a success. More successes mean a better outcome.

Target numbers & Modifiers

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When not otherwise specified, the target number is 4. It can be higher or lower though, depending on difficulty, never below 2 though. Modifiers may also apply. Those add to or subtract from the target number. Most times modifiers apply only to the target number, though the number of cast dice can be modified as well.

Rule of One

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If all dice in a test land on a 1, it means that the character has made a disastrous mistake, which might end in catastrophe. If a specific consequence is not laid out by a rules, the GM decides what happens.

Rule of Six

Any die that lands on a six is rolles again, and the rolled, and the result is added to the first one. This is how target numbers above 6 are reached. If another 6 is rolled on the same die, another roll is made and the result added, and so on, until a different result is rolled.

Defaulting

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If the character attempts to improvise an action for which they do not have the necessary skill, they have to do the test using an associated value.

Either they roll using a skill from the same group, with a +2 modifier and a limit of half the skill value in dice from dice pools, or roll on a specialization in the same group with a +3 modifier and a maximum of half the specialization value in dice from dice pools,

or make the roll using the lined attribute, with a +4 modifier and without dice from dice pools.

In an open test, the defaulting modifier is subtracted from the highest value.

Defaulting is impossible if the target value of the task begins at 8 or higher.

Different Types of Tests

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Success Tests

This is used to find out whether a character can execute a task, and how well they do it. The number of dice is equal to the characters appropriate attribute or skill rating. Any die that is equal to or higher than the target number is counted as a success. A single success means the task has been fulfilled. Additional ones mean it has been fulfilled more efficiently or more effectively.

Opposed Tests

If two characters are in conflict. Both roll an amount of dice equal to the appropriate attribute or skill level. If not otherwise specified, the target number is equal to the number of dice of the opposing side. Usually the one with more successes wins. Usually nothing happens when a tie occurs.

Open Tests

These are not about scoring a single success, but about generating a target number that someone else has to reach in the future. The player makes their roll, and the highest rolled result is the target number for later.

Time

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As long as the continuity of events is clear to everybody, nobody should fret about exact timekeeping. Situations which are time-sensitive should be obvious to everyone.

Combat Turns

Then a lot happens in little time, the game is continued in 3-second increments, called Combat Turns. The points where charracters can act in Combat Turns is called Combat Phases.

Actions

These are the actions a character can take in a Combat Turn. Depending on their complexity, different amounts of Actions can be taken in one Combat Phase. When it is a characters turn, they may take one Complex, or two Simple Actions. In addition to this, they may take a Free Action.

Delayed Actions

When it is a characters turn, they may delay a Simple or a Complex Action, to perform later that Phase, or later that Turn . While waiting to take their Action, they may only perform Free Actions.

Values

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Attributes

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All characters have nine Attributes, three physical ones, three mental ones, and three special ones. Attributes can be improved throughout the game, so they do not simply represent genetics.

Physical Attributes:

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Body represents the immune system, the cardiovascular system, the speed of recovery from injuries and sicknesses, as well as the resistance to the latter. It also represents how well a character can handle Bioware, drugs, alcohol and other toxins.

Quickness represents motorical reflexes, the sense of balance, metabolism, running speed and coordination.

Strength is bodily power.

Mental Attributes:

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Charisma is a personal aura, self-image, the ego, as well as a sense and a will to realize and influence what moves people.

Intelligence describes analytical and perceptive abilites, memnonic ability and raw brain power.

Willpower keeps a character going on when they want to give up, and empowers them to control their own habits and emotions.

Special Attributes:

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Reaction denotes how quick, and how much a character can act under pressure.

Essence is a measure of equilibrium and the cohesion of life force of a body as a whole. Essence is lowered by repeated or prolonged disturbances of this balance, through cyberware, drug-abuse accidents or sickness. When Essence is lowered to zero, the character dies. Essenz sinkt durch langfristiges Störungen dieser Balance. Low Essence can influence social situations, because the character might seem cold or strange to others.

Magic is a measure of the bodies attunement to the flow of Mana, which flows through our plane. Magic is lowered in the same way that Essence is, through great bodily harm, Cyberware, etc.

This Attribute is at zero for most people.

Dice Pools

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In a Combat Round, a Dice Pool is a fixed amount of Dice a character can add to the ones they use for a Test. Every one of the dice can be rolles only once. The maximum amount of dice a character can add to a Test is equal to the respective Attribute or Skill value, except for Dodge Tests or Damage Resistance Rolls.

Combat Pool

A player can assign dice from their combat pool to any offensive or defensice Action. Combat Pool dice can be added to Tasks that involve Magic only if it has to do with Elemental Manipulation spells. Surprised characters, and wnyone who does not see the attack coming, can not use their Pool Dice against it. Characters in heavy armor reduce their Combat Pool by one, for every two points that the armor exceeds their Quickness. The Astral Combat Pool is a variant of the Combat Pool, that Mages use when fighting in the Astral Realm.

Rigging Pool

When rigged into a vehicle, a character can use dice from this Pool in Tests with the rigged verhicle. Only characters with a Vehicle Control Rig can use this pool.

Decking Pool

Only a decking character can use this Pool. Dice from this Pool may be used for all Tests in the Matrix, except for Tests involving Etiquette, and Damage Resistance against Grey or Black IC.

Spell Pool

Dice from this Pool are used to augment Spell Success Tests, Spell Drain Resistance Tests and Dispel Dice. They can not be used to augment Conjuring.

Karma Pool

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This is a special Dice Pool, for which there are additional rules. Every twentieth (tenth for Humans) point of Karma is added to this Pool. Karma can be used to differentt ends. When the points are not permanently burned, they recover in a variable amount of time. The standard for this is 24 hours.

Re-rolling Failures:

Re-roll all dice that did not reach the Target Number. This costs 1 Karma for the first re-roll during a Test, 2 for the second re-roll, and so on.

Avoiding Catastrophe:

For 1 Karma, the player may ignore the Rule of One. The tests still fails.

Open Tests:

You may re-roll the dice in an Open Test. This costs 1 Karma for doing it the first time, 2 when doing it the second time, and so on.

Buying additional dice: 1 Karma for the first die, 2 Karma for the second one, and so on, until the maximum is reached, which es equal to the Skill or Attribute that is being tested.

Buying Successes:

Permanently burn 1 Karma per bought success. This is only possible if at least one success has been rolled already.

Extended Test: ?????

Reduce Target Number:

Per burnt Karma, the Target Number is rediced by one, to a minimum of 1.

The Hand of God:

The character burns all of his Karma, Pool Karma as well as Good Karma, but a minimum of 1, to escape certain death.

Gear

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Gear has Levels, a Cost, and usually an Availability Rating, which is the Target Number for a Test to procure the item. There is also a Street Index, a multiplier that is applied to the price, when you buy the item on the black market. Most Items have a weight, a value that determines how easy it is to hide, which is the Target Value for Perception Tests to notice the item. Weapons have a Damage Code, consisting of a number and a letter. The number is the Power Level, which shows how easy it is to resist the damage, and the letter, the Damage Level, which indicates the kind of wound the weapon inflicts (Light, Moderate, Serious or Deadly). Cyberware also has an Essence Cost.

Connections

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These are friends an acquaintances the character can ask for help in their illegal activities. They can procure information, sell them wares, or provide fire support. Connections exist in three different levels. Level 1 is a professional aqquaintance. Level 2 is more of a friend. Level 3 is a friend who would die for the Runner.

Lifestyle

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This determines the standard of living the character has. To maintain this standard of living, the character pays a certain amoung of brouzouf per month, which covers all regular expenses. If they can not pay anymore, their Lifestyle is lowered by one level. A character can purchase several Lifestyles. This represents ressources they can fall back on, like hideouts.

Condition Monitor

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This describes how much damage a character can take. It has two tracks, one for serious damage that it takes long to heal, and one for less serious stun damage, which heals more easily. Items have a single damage track too.

Karma

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Karma represents the experience a character gathers over time, as well as well as a kind of cosmic poetic justice. A large part of the Karma a character receives is notated as Good Karma (19/20; 9/10 for humans). It can be used to raise attributes or skills. The rest goes into the character's Karma Pool, and can be used to influence tests. It represents the character's accumulated luck.

Attribute Ratings

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Natural, and Heightened Attribute values (through Magic or technology) are distinguished. Heightened Attribute values are notated in parenthesis behind the Natural Attribute values. Attributes which Adepts improve with their abilites, count as Natural Attribute values. Improving an Attribute with Karma raises both the Natural, as well as the Heightened Attribute value.

If you want to download the chapter as an .odt file:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=04369327444754340859

>>39338

Ok, on the left is the original value, on the right is the

Obvious Cyberlimb: Essence: 1->1.250 Price: 75000->8000

Synthetic Cyberlimb: Essence: 1->1.250 Price: 100000->12000

Obvious Foot/Hand: Essence: 0.35->0.4 Price: 20000->3000

Synthetic Foot/Hand: 0.4 0.35 4500 25000

Obvious forearm/lower leg 0.7 0.65 5000 40000

Synthetic forearm/lower leg 0.7 0.65 7500 50000

Replacement Modification +10% Price

Strength Enhancement

Up to Body: Price+200 per point

over Body: Essence+0.125 per point; Price +3000 per point

Quickness Enhancement

Point 1-3: Price+2000 per point

Point 4-6: Essence+0.125; Price+3000

The first thing you will notice is that the starting prices are lower. That is however for a pretty crappy product. The price quickly gets higher, if you want the Essence cost to go down, because if you go Alpha-Ware for less Essence-cost, you pay double.

If you want to upgrade the Attributes of the limbs, you have to pay extra, and this cost too is doubled for Alphaware.

I changed the way that Attribute upgrades are handled in general.

Strength upgrades are now linked not to the characters strength, but to their body, because logically, the overall stability of the characters body and bones is more important to a cyberarm being anchored into it, than their muscular strength imho.

Both of the Attribute upgrades cost Essence, the Strength upgrade because the anchoring has to go deeper, and thus gets mroe invasive, and the Quickness because the neural interface gets more invasive.

>>39344

Strength Enhancement

Up to Body: Price+*2000 per point, not 200

>>39345

And the forearm and lower leg Essence and Nuyen prices are switched. The new one is on the left, the old one on the left.

>>39343

Battle Angel Alita has a lot of cyborgs who are about normal human strength and speed, necessary for the setting as The Junkyard is a city built around a factory built on top of a nuked city surrounded by a toxic landfill surrounding a junkyard centuries old and high as a mountain, so everyone is riddled with cancer and has had parts scooped out and replaced, if they haven't run into organlegging muggers or just run over by a car or backhanded by a cyborg with industrial or combat mods and rebuilt by sewer surgeons and now they have to work to pay off the debt for the surgery.

Also, there's Martian cyborgs like Zazie, who are about normal human level because Mars is dirt poor, like Space Liberia, but Zazie can take out practically any of the top-tier fighters in the Solar System because she's just that badass.

Man, I'd love a game set in Alita's world, but the average lifespan of a character would be shorter than Paranoia…

>>39383

4th a shit, but 1e's Matrix is nice.

>colour code is the number of successes needed to make things just werk, number is the TN on the host

>Green-3 means 1 success, TN3; Orange-4 means 2 successes, TN4

>if you fail, you can retry at +2 TN

>GM rolls a die on every test in secret

>if it's equal to or less than the number of tests attempted, the system is on alert

I like what I'm reading. I advise OP to check it out too when simplifying the Matrix.

>>39384

Turns out it was "this many successes +1". VR 1.0 changed the table a bit, too. Taking into account the +1, it's:

>Blue: 2

>Green: 3

>Orange: 4

>Red: 5

Blunder aside, definitely look at the 1e Matrix crunch and the VR book for it. The fact I'm glancing at it and understanding it shows it's decent at least.

>>39386

>The big trouble I see with dedicated Deckers is that they are too removed from the Action.

VR 1.0 has a rule for abstracting Matrix runs when the host itself doesn't matter in the story, but the data does. Takes 20 minutes IC to do. Give the decker a pistol and you're good.

2e Matrix is more or less 3e Matrix.

>>39389

2e Matrix was actually more like 1e's VR book. You're thinking of 2e's VR book, which became the basis of 3e's Matrix.