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"A future is not given to you. It is something you must take for yourself. "

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 No.47502

Crossposting from Lainchan (https://lainchan.org/r/res/3260.html#3260). I've been wanting to compile a large variety of "eye-opening" media, and then to organize it by increasing gradation.

For me, there was much media that helped me to see things as I do now, to question things, be wary of the government, and see the various flaws in society. Anything that encourages free thought or distrust in assumptions/governments is what I am aiming for.

My idea is to organize it in such a way that a "program" can be made of it to introduce to people to help them to "wake up". Intro-tier would have to be "accessible" enough as not to cause any conditioned aversion toward it, and to gradually increase the concepts as you move higher on the list.

As far as the media medium itself, music and movies are better introductions than interactive media or books/podcasts.

Here's a sample of my current, unorganized list:

Movies

>The Matrix (and sequels?)

>ARQ

>Contact

>District 9

>Fight Club

>Johnny Got His Gun

>Soylent Green

>The Truman Show

>Avatar(?) (Not air-bender)

>Repo Men

Music

As far as intro-tier music goes- easily accessible, discernible lyrics, and subtle, thought-provoking themes (or perhaps just music that strays from standard musical trends in any way, but perhaps this works better for a higher tier). Basically, to subversively convey ideas and plant "seeds of doubt", to make conditionally foreign ideas more accessible and familiar. Similar to what current media is doing by forceful immersion.

>Crystal Castles

>Amnesia Scanner

>Front Line Assembly

>Machinae Supremacy

>Mankind Is Obsolete

>Oceanlab

>Brendan Byrnes

>Liar (Romanian)

>Holly Herndon

>Blanck Mass

Books

Intro-tier would be mostly fiction, and higher tiers would include non-fiction.

>1984 - George Orwell

>Brave New World - Aldous Huxley

>Fight Club - Chuck Paluhniuk

>Anthem - Ayn Rand

>Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand

>Lord of the Flies - William Golding

>Jane Eyre - Charlotte Bronte

>The Handmaid's Tale - Margaret Atwood

>The Giver - Lois Lowry

>Gathering Blue - Lois Lowry

>Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card (Perhaps series?)

>Fehrenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury

>Dune - Frank Herbert (Series?)

Anime

>Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

>Welcome to the NHK

>Ghost in the Shell (1996)

>Animatrix (?)

>Neon Genesis Evangelion

This is pretty general so far, so help me to refine by giving suggestions and questioning what I put here

 No.47514

I'm not sure what's intended to be eye-opening about those books. It's more "Generic Reddit high-school" reading. Maybe you want some Bruce Schnier, Yvgeny Morozov, William Blum …


 No.47520

>>47502

>movies

>avatar

What the fuck is this?

/cyber/ movies are things like Blade Runner or Ghost In The Shell.


 No.47525

>>47514

>Bruce Schnier, Yvgeny Morozov, William Blum

Any specific recommendations?

>>47520

It's not necessarily for /cyber/ media, or atleast not exclusively for. Unsure how I feel about automatically including anything just for having dystopian themes, like many /cyber/ moveis. In support of inclusion, it introduces and suggests distrust in the system and it seems a good starting point, to subtly suggest how things may go were we to change nothing. But, I feel like all such media has already essentially been weaponized against this to reaffirm "orthodox" ideals. Examples are how they may solidify ideas as to what a dystopia is- overt and obvious (not like ours), such work likely is used to exploit this and create the false security that we are far from dystopia as our society appears quite different from common dystopias.


 No.47528

>>47525

Data & Goliath + Beyond Fear, The Net Delusion + To Save Everything, Killing Hope + Rogue State.


 No.47540

>>47502

Put Starship Troopers in there for books.


 No.47541

>Avatar(?) (Not air-bender)

what eye did it open?

just curious


 No.47564

>>47541

Ha, none really. Mostly suggested for it's vague military distrust, but I think it's too overpowered to be effective. I wanted to see what others thought.


 No.47580

>>47502

Movies And TV Series

The themes are : Evil AIs, evil cybercorps, cyberspace, robots, hacking etc , so here is a quick list a just made , top of my head , animation productions are also included:

Avatar - Japan, dir. Mamoru Oshii.

Alphaville - France, 1967, dir Jean-Luc Goddard.

Blade Runner - USA, 1982, dir Ridley Scott.

Blade Runner 2049 - USA, 2017, dir. Denis Villeneuve.

Ghost in the Shell - USA 2017. dir. Ruppert.

Ghost in the Shell - Japan,1996, Mamoru Oshii.

Tetsuo: The man machine - Japan, 1989, dir. Shinya Tsukamoto.

Primer - USA, 2002, dir. Shane Carruth.

Upstream Colours - USA, 2015, dir. Shane Carruth

12 Monkeys - USA, 1998, dir. Terry Gilliam.

La Jette - France, 1968, dir. Chris Marker.

Virtuosity

War Games

The Fifth Element - France, 1998, dir. Luc Besson.

Dark City - USA, 1998, dir. Alex Proyas.

I, Robot - USA 2002, dir. Alex Proyas.

Johnny Mnemonic

Hackers

Strange Days - USA, 1996, dir. Katherine Bigelow.

Logans Run - USA, 1976, dir. Micheal Anderson

Oblivion - USA, 2012, dir.

Videodrome - Canada, 1982, dir. David Cronenberg.

28 Days - Danny Boyle

28 Weeks -

Ex Machina - USA, 2015, dir. Alex Garland.

Existenz - Canada, 1998, David Cronenberg.

Looper -

Coherence -

Total Recall - 1990, dir. Paul Verhoven.

The City of The Lost Children - 1997, dir. Jean Pierre Jeunet.

Tron

Tron:Legacy -

The Zero Theorem - USA, 2013, dir. Terry Gilliam.

The Landmower Man - USA, 1992, dir.

Brazil - USA, 1989, dir. Terry Gilliam.

The Terminator - USA, 1984, dir. James Cameron.

Terminator 2: Judgement Day - USA, 1992, dir. James Cameron.

Robocop - USA, 1986, dir. Paul Verhoven.

The Matrix - USA, 1999, dir. Andy and Larry Wachowski.

Matrix Reloaded - USA, 2003, dir. Andy and Larry Wachowski.

Matrix Revolutions - USA, 2003, dir. Andy and Larry Wachowski.

TV Series

Mr Robot

Black Mirror

The Lone Gunman

The Sarah Connor Chronicles

Anime Movies

Akira

Extra

Anime Series

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.

I think i am gonna make a complete list, by country , any thoughts on the idea ? Will post it as soon as possible.


 No.47596

>>47580

Schway, thanks for contributing.

>gonna make a complete list

Looking forward to that


 No.47602

>>47502

Just some /cyber/ drokk that haven't been added to this list yet

Books:

>Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep - Philip K. Dick

>Neuromancer - William Gibson

TV Shows:

>Person of Interest

Anime:

>Cowboy Bebop

Music:

>Death Grips (higher tier, definitely. Plus, their most /cyber/ stuff, imo, was from Death Grips (EP), Ex-military, and The brouzouf Store. But I digress)

Not much, but definitely /cyber/, so I felt I'd contriboot.


 No.47740

>>47502

There's nothing "eye-opening" about any of the media on your list. This is just a generic list of media that wannabe anti-establishment teenagers tend to consume. You should be using real-world examples and not fiction, because fiction's primary purpose is to entertain and not educate.

If you wanna open somebody's eyes, start by linking them to the wikipedia article on MKULTRA.


 No.47742

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>>47740

Fair enough. Although, you should also list anything you feel would be relevant, rather than criticize and leave. After all, you didn't give much to grow off of, or improve from, which should be the point of criticism.

All I can say is that the media I listed helped me to grow and recognize things. I feel, with the right frame of mind, anything can help you to grow. And I feel fiction can convey ideas more efficiently than non-fiction often, it's an easy way to create analogy that's more easily consumable. It's subversive.


 No.47751

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>>47742

>the media I listed helped me to grow and recognize things. I feel, with the right frame of mind, anything can help you to grow

Take a step back for a second and analyze this statement. What you are saying is that mass-produced, widely-advertised media from multi-million-dollar corporations gave you "the right frame of mind." You might want to start by asking yourself what that frame of mind actually is, and why the people who funded these movies or published these books would want you to have it. You claim that your frame of mind is "subversive" but it's every bit as empty and manufactured as a cheap Ikea desk made of compressed Siberian woodchips. There is nothing subversive about parroting the anti-establishment messages that are repeated ad infinitum in every major Hollywood production. This is something that the cyberpunk scene as a whole has suffered from for a very long time.

Your frame of mind was given to you by a very specific group of people, who want to instill a very specific set of beliefs in the populace, for a very specific purpose. You should probably forget what you learned from The Matrix and start by trying to answer the "Who," "How" and "Why" these messages reached you through the channels that they did.

I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm basically telling you what I wish I could tell my younger self. Einstein's quote about World War 3 being fought with civilization-ending weapons is bullshit. WW3 is a memetic war fought with concepts, ideas, psychological programming and forced misunderstandings, and everybody is a potential casualty. You have to understand which side you are on, and what that means for you. I guarantee you that the people who greenlighted, funded and distributed District 9 didn't do so because they had your best interests in mind. The government is not the only thing you should distrust.

I don't have many examples of fiction that meet the kind of criteria I'm talking about. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Deus Ex (the first game, not the subsequent titles).




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