/deepfreeze/ - DeepFreeze

Maybe we could make this a general suggestions thread? I have one:

ABC News isn't on the Outlets list, and they have (possibly) one of the most downvoted videos on YT re: Gamergate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyncf3DBUQ

Feedback:

I would mirror the images you link on the site itself and link them there, instead of relying on imgur to always be around and host the material without incident. Or at least link to images on the gg archive board instead.

If the purpose of the site is to be an objective and impartial place to showcase journo corruption, it fails at that purpose. Labeling sites as supported or boycotted, and all the other activity labeled as "gamergate" in the about section makes the site look like it's just another pro-GG circlejerk to anyone not pro-GG, which will cause it to not be taken seriously. If the purpose of the site isn't to convince people outside of GG of journo misconduct, then I fear it's useless (but would welcome the possibility of being wrong).

Some of the text and graphics are misaligned on a vertical monitor (1080x1920).

>>15

Addition: When I say non-journalists, I mean people with "non-journlist" in the currently employed field and "-" in the previous employed field. People who were previously employed as journlist should of course still be listed as journalist.

Have you downloaded all of the archives? If not make sure to do so.

some in the lists are just former journalists who no long write for a site

I think that needs to be made clearer, because right now "not a journalist" a first glance makes you think "okay, why are they here then?"

a separate list might be good for people who don't fit that definition

also, I agree with the gamejourno pro thing

being in that group doesn't automatically make you unethical, and shouldn't result in some number score with the same weight of serious ethical breaches & corruption, even if this was not the intent

>>54

I agree entirely. A lot of it is not provable so this could lead to legal troubles. Unless you have proof of this or it is inanely obvious (like giving a 2/10 for a game that got 8s from most places) then this one should be dropped.

The Dragon's Crown review from Polygon wasn't click bait, I agreed with most of the points actually, it just didn't bug me as much but the points in the review were valid (does the blacksmith really need to look like an arabian belly dancer?). Also, Polygon is known for harsher review scores.

I don't want this being a "oh we'll call you corrupt for being SJW and not agreeing with me" thing. We've had enough idiots over the years yell CORRUPTION and BRIBED for someone giving a review they didn't like, it replaced TEH BIASED after Mass Effect 3.

Another couple of things:

1. Being a member of GameJournoPros shouldn't put you on the shitlist. Just because you are on there doesn't mean you did anything wrong. Remember, William Usher was on the list and he didn't get involved in anything. I think it should only be used if you actually did something like Ben Kuchera.

2. The part about Ben Kuchera lying about being harassed. This isn't true, what he said was that HIS READERS didn't send him any messages about this. This doesn't mean he wasn't harassed, that could land the site in legal trouble.

3. Nothing on Jim Sterling? The guy has admitted to clickbaiting before:

https://archive.is/BF1kF

>Feminists are so unable to take a joke, they'd probably find themselves legitimately offended by the obvious trolling flamebait of some random videogame blogger who pumps out list columns in order to reap some quick and easy pageviews. Not that we'd ever approve of that.

4. Some Destructoid shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIfNk-LT_Ss

There is some good shit in here, the Age of Wushu thing isn't under Yanier Gonzalez's bit.

5. Drivergate

An old one, but some good stuff on there:

http://web.archive.org/web/20140414074327/http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/drivergate/drivergate.htm

6. Geoff Keighley doesn't have his own page? Even though Doritogate is mentioned?

7. Gametrailers gave Rock Band a Rhythm Game of the year and did not disclose that Harmonix and Gametrailers were both owned by MTV at the time.

Also reviewed Rock Band 2 without disclosing this.

I'd like to know if it being part of gjp is wrong in itself.

Usher was there and he is the one who leaked AFAIK.

Also George weidman (superbunnyhop) did nothing wrong (and did the interview with the ethics professor that we all based our efforts).

Also, he is marked as a non- journalist but I think he said on a video that he has a degree in journalism.

>>90

Found the video

https://youtu.be/mLNZFWR0Q8M

Weidman says he has a journalism degree just before the Libsy interview (around 10 min in the video)

>>54

I think the tag is supposed to signify clickbait, and in all cases it does fit. Gies' in particular I think it's a great example, but it needs some extra context in order to prove that it is indeed clickbait in order to rile up a crowd and stand out, and not just some unpopular opinion. Which is why I'm wondering why the fact that Arthur Gies was an openly proud SuicideGirls user didn't make it in - that duality and inconsistency alone is more than enough to prove what it is.

I agree with removing non-journalists from the site, what's the point? It just makes it look like a list of people we dislike.

The site also needs to include all journalists/bloggers who are related to this, not just the ones we don't like. I'm pretty sure Ralph should have a page, probably Milo and others as well. If we really want this to be objective, comprehensive, and unbiased, then we have to move the site away from being GG affiliated and more towards being an overall journalism watchdog.

I would:

>add more journalists, especially our own, even if they haven't had ethical breaches they should have a page

>remove all non-journalists

>if someone has been good ethically or has made recent improvements, we should address that as well

>remove trivia and anything not directly related to ethics in journalism

I think this is a good site, but a number of the complaints I've seen from antis are legit. This is a good start but there's a lot of work that needs to be done still.

A list for game developers large or small would be nice. Bioware and Gearbox definitely need to be on there somewhere. Maybe even Ubisoft too for some of their screw ups.

>>54

I agree, mainly because I think that the censorship tag might be better for that case.

While we're on the subject of Gies, I think it might be worth it to add his insistence that SimCity wouldn't be able to be played offline.

Or not. That might be closer to him just being a fucking idiot than actually being corrupt.

Bonegolem runs the website and makes the final decisions, but here's my take on things:

>>15

Most of the non-journalists used to work in game journalism and/or were part of the GJP list. If neither of those things of apply to someone on deepfreeze.it, then that might be ground for removal.

If people weren't proven to be active in the GJP, it will just be filed under 'trivia and other'.

>>19

If someone working for ABC was on the GJP, then they might need to be added to the list of media outlets.

>>23

That depends on the server costs, but bonegolem can always open up a Patreon account.

>>41

The website uses hundreds of archive.is links, so I don't know if that's possible. Bonegolem told me that he does have a backup available if something happens to the website.

>>52

'Non-journalist' could be replaced with 'former journalist'.

>>108

Deepfreeze focuses on journalists, not so much on developers.

>>80

>1. Being a member of GameJournoPros shouldn't put you on the shitlist. Just because you are on there doesn't mean you did anything wrong. Remember, William Usher was on the list and he didn't get involved in anything. I think it should only be used if you actually did something like Ben Kuchera.

Everyone who was on the GJP is listed on the website. If they were proven to be active on the mailing list, it'll be filed as an entry under 'collusion'. If not, it'll be filed under 'trivia'. People like George Weidman and Usher fall under that as well.

The criticism regarding Arthur Gies has already been addressed:

>This journalist’s career means they might be subject to slight asymmetric scrutiny.

>Censorship and Sensationalism emblems may be based on subjective criteria.

>Readers are encouraged to take entries critically, and form their opinion independently.

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=arthur_gies