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2cdde1 No.498

https://youtu.be/UGxtAvzQt2s?t=43m10s

https://archive.is/4rDXW

If Georgina is on why the fuck is she not on?

b9079e No.499

>>498

^This. Liana K is just as corrupt as any of the others on here. The fact that she calls herself neutral shouldn't have any effect on her status. She's not neutral. Her damseling just didn't fit the narrative of GG harassing game devs, so no one gave a shit.


3a0bfc No.500

>>498

>no date on the shoe on head tweet

>no archives

Could be unrelated. Try to find archives.

Also what's the tl;dr of that long ass whiny article.


39e67f No.501

>>498

Georgina Young isn't on the website, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, is she even a game journalist?


2cdde1 No.502

>>501

>Also, is she even a game journalist?

yes she is

shes even at igda nigga

>>501

She asked to be added on all i remember. Usher got one didn't he?


77e93c No.503

>>501

Georgina specifically asked to be placed on deepfreeze. Pretty damn big of her.

Liana writes for metaleater.com s yes, I would say she qualifies to be on Deepfreeze.


f1a2cb No.504

Could you be more specific about what journalistic principles you think she violated and/or compile evidence?

>>500

Here you go:

https://archive.is/G41hZ

The /gg/ thread:

https://archive.is/g3o4B

From what I recall if you match up timezones it's about half an hour after that poster was asked. She claims it was just a coincidence that she uploaded the shoe pic. Which would be a hell of a coincidence unless someone from that thread got her to do it somehow, but she never mentioned anyone asking her to.


1c6d39 No.511

>>503

>>502

>Georgina specifically asked to be placed on deepfreeze. Pretty damn big of her.

She did, and if I had a bias the size of the Tour Eiffel before, now it's the size of France.

So I can't just file or dismiss her claim — I have to eviscerate it and peer-review it, which takes time, so not immediately.

As for Kerzner, I kind of like her all in all — she is opinionated, but (I feel) sincere, her critique of DeepFreeze was interesting enough — but that's not saving her.

*If* she fucked up. Which "having an opinion on GamerGate" is not, but I've got plenty of stuff to read through before I make decisions.


6f8c52 No.521

>>511

https://youtu.be/UGxtAvzQt2s?t=43m10s

She pretty much said she doesn't give certain scores out of pity for the devs, And how can you feel bad for the devs if you don't know them?


6b1411 No.524

>>521

Even if she doesn't knows any of the devs for whom she felt pity, what she did is still a gross ethical violation. Allow me to explain what I mean.

In the way I understand the term "conflict of interests", personal relationships between journalists and the people they write about aren't conflicts of interests per se. Rather, personal relationships are situations which significantly increase the likelihood of a conflict occuring between the journalist's interest to help his friend/lover/relativeinterest and his interest to properly inform his readers about what he writes.

The reason why journalists should try to avoid writing about people with whom they have personal relationships (and provide disclosure when writing about such people) is not because it is bound to guarantee biased coverage, but rather because it significantly increases the likelihood (but probably not to the point of certainty) of biased coverage.

There could have been cases in which a journalist had a personal relationship with a subject of one of his article and yet did not feel any desire to help that person in a way that conflicted with his professional duty to write in an objective, imaprtial and informative manner. With that being said, we can't allow the risk that journalists will write in a biased manner about peolpe with whom they have personal relationships. For this reason, journalists should avoid writing about friends/lovers/relatives whenever possible and provide full disclosure otherwise.

As I see it, most instances of cronyism documented by deepfreeze aren't cases of conflict of interests per se, but rather instances in which a journalist wrote about a person/game when the possiblity of a conflict of interests being in effect was too high to allow for said coverage to occur (at least not without full disclosure being given to the readers).

The case of Lianna admitting to skewing review scores is very different from the instances of cronyism that have been revealed during the GamerGate saga. When it was shown that Patricia Hernandez was writing about Christine Love, it was not found that Hernandez had a conflict of interests. Rather, it was found out that she was in a situation that made it highly likely (but not certain, we can't know for sure) that there would be a conflict of interests in her reporting. In the case of Liana on the other hand, we have a journalist not only admitting to have experienced a conflict of interests between her professional duties and her desire to help game devs, but also explicity confirming that her non-professional interests overcame her professional ones. What exactly is her relationship with the game devs she helped is immaterial when it comes to assessing her ethical conduct; a cofnlict of interests can also exist without a personal relationship between a journalist and the subject of his/her writing.

IMO this is far than enough for Lianna to have a deepfreeze entry. I gather that Lianna claimed that her comments about inflating review scores was just a joke. If this is indeed the case, we should make note both of Liana's comments and her defense of them and let the readers decide for themselves what to think.


f1a2cb No.528

>>524

>In the way I understand the term "conflict of interests", personal relationships between journalists and the people they write about aren't conflicts of interests per se. Rather, personal relationships are situations which significantly increase the likelihood of a conflict occuring between the journalist's interest to help his friend/lover/relativeinterest and his interest to properly inform his readers about what he writes.

The whole point of "conflict of interest" is that it applies whether or not any actual corruption or biased decisions take place or can be proved. The concept you're trying to explain is actually what conflict of interest already means.

http://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=4294980862

>A comparison of these definitions shows why the two concepts are so closely intertwined. A conflict of interest exists where an official could abuse his or her position for private gain, whereas corruption exists where an official does abuse his or her position for private gain.

That's why it's such an important concept. Often when people excuse journalistic corruption they say something like "how can you prove the coverage was biased?". The key is you don't need to, it's a conflict of interest regardless. We can't see an alternative timeline to know how Grayson would have written the GAME_JAM article if he wasn't friends with Zoe or whether Boyer's friend's games would still have featured in the "20 Games you shouldn't miss in 2014" article if they weren't his friends. We can speculate about choices like Grayson's decision to cap off with Zoe's quote about making her own game jam or Boyer including people who hasn't even made actual games in 2014, but it's superfluous. The combination of the personal relationship and the coverage establishes a conflict of interest already, which should require either recusal or disclosure even if the journalist thinks they can be objective.




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