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f98dcd No.638

Good morning /deepfreeze/.

I've got a weirdo idea, as usual I'd appreciate some peer-review, if you can, before I make an ass of myself.

Basically, based on both suggestions of "dealing with apologies" etc and on my thoughts, I've cooked up some possible ways to deal — emblem modifiers.

Assume the graphical look is similar to the one seen here.

Not

Score: 0.

Prefix: Not.

It's the stuff I already file as Trivia, basically just putting it as, e.g., "non collusion" to be more informative.

Examples:

False information worth debunking

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=nathan_grayson

Often accused of plagiarism because one article of his directly copies text from a French one. However, the original plagiarism was by the author of the Imgur post that Grayson quoted as source.

Deemed fully solved

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=james_fudge

Published an article on the false Brad Wardell accusations, although he offered a thorough apology after new information surfaced.

Deemed (at least probably) not an issue

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=alexa_ray_corriea

Member of GameJournoPros. Not proven to have been active in the list.

Patched

Score: 1.

Prefix: Partially solved.

Disclosure added later, or an apology at least partially admitting guilt (key element, so no "I was misunderstood" shit) was issued by emblem subject or responsible. Basically, still notable, but should be distinguished from the people who didn't apologize or do anything.

I have agency to decide an apology is not worth labeling this way (e.g. issued much too late), although it'll still be noting it in the emblem none the less.

This emblems are still scored, though they may be used in the future to add, e.g., a label to journalists that have solved all issues.

While the site would only show "patched" or "unpatched", but emblems would have a third status — "not appliable" — for stuff that wouldn't be possible to apologize for.

Examples:

Disclosure

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=laura_kate_dale

Gave coverage, on Indiehaven, to Louise James without disclosing that James was financially supporting both her and Indiehaven on Patreon.

(Haven't updated this entry yet, but Dale added disclosure and explained to me why she didn't do it originally)

Apology

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=patricia_hernandez

Wrote the perhaps most famous article on the Max Temkin accusations, where she claimed Temkin ”spent too much time defending himself, and not enough time contemplating the idea that he might‘ve messed up“. Article was later amended, and Kotaku admitted it was a misfire.

Subjective

Score: 1.

Prefix: Possible (as opposed to a normal emblem's "probable").

Either assigned for a stance (anti-consumer, pro-censorship etc.) rather than for proven misbehavior or more subjective than other emblems. Still scored as normal, but would (pending technical implementation) allow filtering, so one can see a separate score without counting these. Can coexist with Patched.

Would be assigned to GJP emblems as well.

Examples:

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=kirk_hamilton

Wrote an article of praise for Diablo 3's contested DRM while his site was running a massive Diablo 3 ad campaign. He did backtrack two years later, after Diablo 3's developers had dropped the DRM themselves.

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=arthur_gies

Spends a large chunk of his Witcher 3 review complaining about its "oppressively misogynist" world and lack of "a single non-white humanoid". The large amount of controversy incited by this review has an appearence of being manufactured and being incited for clicks.

Eager to hear your thoughs, both on the idea and on the implementation.

Remember that DeepFreeze applies to all journalists, not just shitheads. I'm about to file Nosh's EiC for plagiarism, for example — would be nice to have the "Patched" label there.

f98dcd No.639

Twitter verification because I'm not home and I can't do the swanky ## Board Owner thingie.

https://twitter.com/bonegolem/status/613279080566362112


b05912 No.640

>>638

Great idea. It allows Deepfreeze a more informative and fair coverage at the same time.

Although I must say, the score system is starting to get complicated.


aa9a5f No.641

Pretty much must have.

We cannot be a permanent harassment force, if someone corrects his/hers/whateverprefix ways and apologizes and starts doing things okay …

deepfreeze must acknowledge that.

We do not forget,

We do not forgive,

But we acknowledge you admitted fucking up.


aa9a5f No.642

(forgot to write this in my previous post).

isn't our motto "our trust should be earned"?


be1233 No.643

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I don't like this patch and solved system at all.

Even if something is "solved", as in the offender admitted guild and apologized, it still happened and I want to know about it as much as I want to know about non-"solved" ethical breaches. On what bases do you decide that something is "solved"? Admitting guilt and saying sorry doesn't undo the possible damage you have caused. Again, who decides this?

The site shouldn't condemn people and offer absolution either, it should just record what happened accurately, so people can make their own picture of the journalist. If they said sorry, then yeah add that as additional information but then go full stop.

I don't like this judgement mentality at all, the number of ethical breaches shouldn't be treated like a scoring system. The site should try to be as unbiased as possible (at least try) and record things in an objective fashion. Who are we to sentence journalists to do something to make up for their past sins so they can get their score to zero? I think you are way overstepping your boundaries there. It's one thing to be a historian, a completely different thing to be judge.


598bf9 No.645

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I've started working on implementing this system.

>>643

I agree 100% that we're historians and not judges.

I don't think this is a form of judging, though.

It's an acknowledging of the corrections undertaken. It works on almost fully objective criteria, if you check the examples.

>the number of ethical breaches shouldn't be treated like a scoring system.

There were people pro, and there were people against. On one hand, I agree it should be treated as a "number of entries". On the other… well, as a score it provides a super-synthesized version of the page, and concentrating info is kind of important. At this point, it would be very hard to change imho.


598bf9 No.646

>>645

Shit I used to manage this "board owner" thing what the hell is wrong with me


598bf9 No.648


598bf9 No.649

>>648

WELL IT'S A SHILL PRETENDING TO BE ME

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU


f2efba No.650

>>649

Are you logged in with the admin panel when you try to use the board owner trip?

Your browser url bar should display https://8ch.net/mod.php?/deepfreeze/index.html Then it should work.




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