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259533 No.11

In my readings I'm noticing many similarities between Buddhism and the Pre-Socrates like Epicurus. For example, the Buddhist teachings on suffering are next to identical to what Epicurus says about it. Both of these philosophies preach the liberation of the self from suffering, the absence of want, how obtaining the things you want simply leads to more wants, etc.

I think it's interesting how these philosophical teachers arise and how philosophy becomes corrupted into religion and theology. Philosophy is by nature non-dogmatic, and once a dogma does arise, it becomes something else. I see the philosophical core of Buddhism in the same way that I see the philosophical core of Greek Philosophy and also how it became absorbed by Christianity and corrupted into dogmatism.

What form of Buddhism is more grounded in the philosophy and less centered around "religious" elements and theology?

6564f9 No.12

Non-sectarian Buddhism is the pest in my opinion, by if I had to choose, it would be Theravada.

0afda5 No.13

>>11
Interesting to compare , really , both Buddha and Epicurus formed their philosophies from a critical remark about reality : the inevitability of suffering ( first noble truth ) , and desire as its cause ( second noble truth ) .
However , Buddhism , noting that the mind cannot simply abandon desire , takes an indirect way , that is, develop mental factors ( seven sets ),through the development of the Noble Eightfold Path ( fourth noble truth ), that will enable this abandonment.
As to the distinction between philosophy and religion/theology , I must disagree in parts. I agree that most religions are based on dogma, and that this is often a form of corruption of the original spirit that originated them. However , Buddhism , without falling into dogmatism , still requires an element of faith or conviction . One must believe in Buddha's awakening and in the means he used to achieve it, since we can not experience nirvana for ourselves yet (the Pali Canon says it takes the first level of awakening, entering into the stream, to prove deathless, and then what was taken by belief is experienced directly). So faith has its place, its the fuel that keep us going through the path.
(english is not my native language, so forgive any mistake)

0afda5 No.14

>>11
I believe Theravada is more grounded in direct observation of reality, instead of metafisical beliefs

ef0ee3 No.27

Epicurus was not pre-socratic

Socrates died 399 B.C. and Epicurus wasn't born until 341 B.C.

I'm just pointing this out because Epicurus was heavily influenced by Socrates and the similarities you bring up with Epicurus also show up in Socrates and Plato.

259533 No.28

>>27
I'm sorry, I actually did realize this shortly after making the thread. Epicurus is a Hellenistic philosopher. What I was ultimately referring to is the spirit of free thought that always attempted to lead towards a secular form of ethical behavior that is embodied in virtually all of Greek philosophy.

469364 No.67

>>11
Madhyamaka. Read Nagarjuna's Mulamadhyamakakarika, it's almost identical to Plato.

http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Mulamadhyamakakarika:_Verses_from_the_Centre



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