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https://www.austinkelmore.com/blog/the-games-industry-is-toxic/?fbclid=IwAR1w3ZcKZGGwbWzG-oXtmDdfxeWT7R7TNCJ9O96-qbEw_t_apv6bPcqAG1Q

I know 8ch is banned on campus because the professors are salty, but for the love of god take care of yourself and don't fall for the incredibly stupid and harmful culture of spending 14h a day at school. I ended up graduating in 5 years and a half and I literally felt nothing at graduation. I didn't even go to the ceremony because I was too jaded to even give them another dollar for the stupid hat and cape. It's ok to want to go to digipen and to want to make games, but you have to find a way to do it on your own terms. Take less classes or something!! Join clubs!!

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just got a 63 on my first GAT 210 project because I put down Winter Semester instead of Spring Semester

should i kill myself/drop out now?

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looking for roommate in Bothell

My wife and I are looking for 1-2 people to join us in our apartment at Avalon Rockmeadow in Bothell in August. It's a 3bed/3bath 3-floor apartment with a 1-car garage and a parking spot in front, and two bedrooms are already claimed. It's a bit of a ways from campus (about a 20-minute drive, or 1.5 hours on the bus), but much more affordable than almost anything near campus – a little under $900 a month for your own room (all bills included, rent, utilities, and internet), or $450 if you share a room. We have a sweet ball python that mostly stays in his tank in our room, and the apartment itself is nice as fuck. Pets welcome with an additional fee.

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here's the problem with DigiPen (rant)

the professors don't make video games and haven't in years. everything they teach about game design is based on the experiences they had years ago, often decades ago. they haven't made games since. video games have changed a lot since the original Xbox days (or earlier!!), both in terms of design and production.

before you enroll at DigiPen, it seems like video game Hogwarts; this magical place where the thing you've always wanted to do—express yourself creatively by creating interesting and engaging interactive entertainment—is not only taught, but is lived and breathed by everyone in the building, constantly, 24/7. well, that's not entirely untrue, but it would be like if the professors at Hogwarts taught you to cast spells and make potions and shit, not by demonstrating how to do it in front of you and the rest of the class, but by proselytizing these theories they've formed about just exactly how one really casts a spell, man, based on their experience casting spells ten years ago, when in reality they haven't picked up a wand since.

Zero is a fantastic product, and honestly one of the best things DigiPen has to offer. it is very easy to make simple games in Zero, and quickly iterate on ideas. imagine how much better DigiPen would be if the professors actually used Zero to make simple games every semester:

- they could keep a journal of what they worked on each session, and then briefly relate to the class interesting challenges they overcame and problems they solved

- they could improve Zero even further by being able to give allegedly-professional feedback to the Zero team, based on any frustrations they had using Zero, etc.

- they would be forced to realize that most of the shit they espouse as being "what game design is really about" is pretty much useless in a practical setting

- they would be forced to re-evaluate their rubrics based on personal experience, instead of tweaking things here and there over the years and judging their efforts based on metrics like how many people fail, how many people complain, how many people drop out, etc. if something in a rubric is unreasonable, they would immediately realize it is unreasonable, because they would have to do it themselves.

in my opinion, the biggest problem DigiPen has is, many students enroll with a creative passion for making interactive entertainment. they get inspired by their favorite video games, and by the concept of making something even better. the professors push these students to tryhard and do their very best work, to go above and beyond, to make something truly worthy of… uh, being put on the monitors around school, so that prospective students and parents will be impressed by it. yet, they grade you based on none of these things, and they don't teach you how to do any of these things; the very best DigiPen games are made by teams of extremely bright tryhards who go WAY above and beyond, teaching themselves tons of extracurricular skills, solely in order to impress the professors.

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Literally just watching Extra Credits in GAM 100 lecture

kill me now

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REMINDER: Banners

Now that the fall semester has begun and people are going to start posting here again, I thought I'd remind you guys that we're always accepting new banner submissions, pretty much regardless of how terrible they are. Post your 300x100 images here.

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General Newbie Thread

New here. Tell me why I should stay/ go.

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Yearly reminder

Yearly reminder that digipen isn't that hard, and you're just a bad programmer/artist/designer/audio designer if you drop out.

Even if the professors are sometimes bad, this is the best place to learn how to make games. It's okay to be salty as fuck about that, but if you drop out don't blame it on the school. Just fucking talk to other people and learn stuff outside of class. Other than the shitposts, I see too many lazy shitbags posting here claiming that the school fucked them over, when in actuality you are just not good enough.

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Who else is a furry here :3

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CS Senior Project

What the fuck do I do for a solo senior CS project?

Apparently i don't have a "passion" for any particular part of CS so I'm fucked.

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New School Year

Does anyone even come here anymore?

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To go or not to go...

Hey all,

I recently got accepted into the BSCSGD degree program and I'm debating whether or not to attend. I am going to explain my particular situation and maybe someone can give me some insight. I tried to make the points clear and concise:

I went to a private all-boys boarding school for HS. Stress isn't that difficult for me. I can handle it.

When I was in HS, I "ran" a game dev studio through a complete coincident of people I knew when I was like 12. I ended up with 1.2MM in funding and blew it by the time I was 17. I have made a ton of contacts, hired and fired lots of people, and have 1 small mobile game with my name on it as "co-designer". No one wants to hire me because I don't have a college degree and they think I'm an airhead when I tell them about my business. It was a flop; I know what I did wrong.

Due to stress in business, school, and family, I got kicked out of HS for some illicit activities (MJ), but I'm still graduating from the place. I just "withdrew early" on my transcripts. I learned a lot, and the diploma does mean something. My GPA was shit tho.

My goal is to learn as much as possible about programming and game dev so that I can contact people I've met in running my company and seek funding to start something new later on in life. Like everyone else, my goal is to be involved in the creation of the next big thing. Unique game mechanic, development executed flawlessly, and big names. I might have funding in the future if I can prove myself as a developer because that was the piece I was missing before.

I am good friends with the eldest son of Gabe Newell, and he is telling me I'm stupid to not go to Digipen, even though I've read some pretty negative reviews and he himself has never attended.

I might, if I work hard enough, be able to land a QA or Design job at a small studio, or an internship. It is unlikely, but I might already have an in with this industry.

I want to learn how to program well. I never really had the opportunity in HS because I was so busy. I think Digipen is a good place to go for this… (?)

My roommate (a game industry professional) thinks I should just study comp sci and business admin at a community college and then transfer to a state school when I get the chance. I'm scared to do this because I'm afraid I will not get the knowledge I need to make games.

I would be paying for the whole education myself, no matter what I do.

Help? Thoughts? Advice? Digipen or nah?

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cant die

this board wont die what why

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So Im Confused...

Should I come to this place or nah?

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The GDC thread

How was it.

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is the digipenis grabbing anyone else by the pssy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn-P4ANYluw

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a thread

i posted this so the first thread people see when they come here isnt the thread below.

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"The College Experience"

How many people had been to a college before DigiPen? I feel like I've missed out sometimes by coming here straight after high school.

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Trannies

Why the fuck do we allow these bloated, mentally defective bags of shit in our school? They get shit grades, take up space, and never make anything of value. I can't stand seeing these subhuman creatures walking around our halls and getting preferential treatment just because they watched one too many sissy training videos on Tumblr, and honestly I'd just love to bash some of their fucking heads in if I ever got the chance.

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DigiPen Survivors

Any other dropouts around here? What do you do for a living/education these days? Did you stick with the game industry or go elsewhere?

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Why is everyone here so salty

Honestly, everyone here is being too much of a pussy. DigiPen isn't actually that hard, if you just actually do work instead of spending your time being a lazy ass on the 8chan. Grow the fuck up. This school isn't that bad.

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Why were we banned at school again?

As far as I know the DigiPen reddit page isn't (I don't reddit, just going off of word of mouth). As far as I can tell the only real difference is that coming here without an ad-blocker can result in some potentially nsfw ads.

I ask because I miss the traffic this place used to get and if that was the only reason we got banned then there should be a way around it (no I'm not implying anything sketchy, I mean within the school's rules).

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Test

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Seriously

How come every class room I sit down in the floor is fucking covered with chewed off fingernail clippings.

Either don't bite or swallow, because it's getting out of hand.

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DigiPen-normal

What're some things you feel like everyone around you does/likes that you don't?

Big ones for me:

-Digipen pizza. Seriously, it's super greasy and when it's not fresh, it's so bland(except for the caprese pizza in my opinion)

-Linux. I just.. don't see the appeal in our industry when so much software is exclusively for Windows. Dual booting is cool, but why bother other than for CS180?

-Teamspaces for GAM projects prior to junior year. Your game isn't groundbreaking, it's another student game in a sea of student games. I'd rather have more open workspaces or get my team to work at my dining room table where we can have food and not worry about bugging other people working.

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Post favorite teachers

Mine's professor Meed

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Dropping UCLA CS for Digipen

Hey guys I'm an idiot and a freshman and am heavily considering dropping out of UCLA comp sci for the sake of going balls deep in game design at Digipen and destroying my life for 4 years. Pmuch im a masochist.

End game goal of being a gameplay/combat designer and animator, although I mostly have a filmic and programming background atm. What opinions/advice would you guys be willing to spare for me?

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Transgender support at DigiPen

Hello everyone,

I am super excited to be coming to DigiPen this fall. I identify as Vapogender, and I would like to know what sort of support there is for people like me. As most people in the computer science programs are cis-gendered privileged males, I hope that there is a good support system at a forward-thinking school like DigiPen.

Looking forward to seeing all of you there. :)

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dropout thread

>ITT why you dropped out or plan to

I don't really hate the school, but I want to go somewhere that I can get a more well rounded education from. I applied here as a BAGD and ended up in CS after I learned how shit GD was but I don't really like programming more than any other type of class.

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Freshman dropouts

Anyone have estimates on the number of freshman dropouts? It seems to be rather high this year, estimating a total graduation rate of 9.

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Sounds like Communism

Hey how's GDC this year.

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Cis Scum

Oh look…… Only one person took the gender studies classes….. I wonder why?

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A new BAGD

I had a few hours free while I travel, so I came up with a new course sequence/changes to the BAGD degree. I don't know the actual accreditation requirements for General Education, but they can be added in. It reduces the total course load and fills it with hard skills.

Important notes

- Each semester contains at least 1 GAT class with practical knowledge. These are mostly new courses in Level Design, Game Economies, Rapid Prototyping, etc.

- The last 3 semesters (4 if Economies is made elective) contain an addition GAT Elective. This can be used to allow students an area of focus.

- The last 4 semesters also include a general elective, where the students must take a class outside of the GAT sequence.

- GAT110 and 120 are combined into a single course, where the emphasis is on the current GAT 110 projects and giving designers standardized playtesting knowledge.

- GAT 250, 251, and 315 are removed due to the cut back on design theory. Replacing them with more practical knowledge classes.

- GAT 211 is made largely redundant. Re-organizing it is an option, but I would rather have Holcombe teach another class.

- GAT 212 and 330 are cut from the core sequence, but should remain as electives.

- Other cut classes include:

ART 102 & 126 - all important knowledge here can be included in a week or two of CG102

ENG 110 & 120 - both are a waste of time for anyone who attended an American High School. Replace these with a singular class on story telling and report writing.

FLM 151 - Should still be available as an elective.

ECN 100 - I've added a class on building a game economic to replace it.

PHY 115 - I struggled with this one, but ultimately decided I got nothing out of the class anyways.

Semester 1

GAM 100 Project Introduction

GAT 101 Game Modification and Playtesting Change to Game modifications and playtest standardization

CS 116 Introduction to Computer Technology and Programming Change to C# or Lua, use XNA or "Alpha Engine"

PSY 101 Introduction to Psychology

MAT 100 Pre-Calculus with Linear Algebra and Geometry

Semester 2

GAM 152 Project I for Designers

GAT 151 Intro to Game Mechanics Change from GAT 210

ENG 101 Storytelling and Report Writing

CG 102 2D Raster Graphics and Animation for Designers Basics of Photoshop & Illustrator, Include color theory

CS 175 Scripting Languages

Semester 3

GAM 205 Project II for Designers

GAT 240 Technology for Designers Focus on functionality of Component based architecture

GAT 201 Rapid Prototyping 5 3-week projects on pre-planned game concepts (side-scroller, top down, etc.)

CS 176 Advanced Scripting

COM 150 Interpersonal and Work Communication

Semester 4

GAM 255 Project II for Designers

GAT 202 Level Design Small projects, pre-made games, only level design, no mechanics

CG 125 Introduction to 3D Production for Designers

PSY 201 Cognitive Psychology

MAT 105 Introductory Probability and Statistics Reduced focus on Probablity (fuzzy math), increase on Statistics (particularly in relation to playtesting)

Semester 5

GAM 302 Project III for Designers

GAT 260 Graphic Design, User Experience, and Input Serve as introduction, rather than overview. Specific Examples: How would you change?

GAT 301 Game Economies Explore and research known game economies, culminating in creating own

MUS 115 Fundamentals of Music and Sound Design

ELECTIVE Any Elective

Semester 6

GAM 352 Project III for Designers

GAT 302 Accessibility Design Learn to make games friendly for those with disabilities (particularly deaf & colorblind)

GAT GAT ELECTIVE Any GAT course from outside the main path

COM 250 Professional Communication

ELECTIVE Any Elective

Semester 7

GAM 400 Project IV

GAT 401 Solo Project Single, semester long project. (renamed from GAT 316)

GAT GAT ELECTIVE Any GAT course from outside the main path

ART 310 Architectural Spaces, Design, and Lighting I Reduced emphasis on materials and production techniques

ELECTIVE Any Elective

Semester 8

GAM 450 Project IV

GAT 402 Puzzle Design Focus on methodologies & theming in puzzle creation.

GAT GAT ELECTIVE Any GAT course from outside the main path

MGT 451 Project Management

ELECTIVE Any Elective

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graduation thread

Goodbye you fuckers

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Someone's going HAM on the Overheard submission page. Thanks bby. <3

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So how was the diversity thing today?

Did anyone bring up how this school is sexist for not have enough women?

Did people ignore that this school isn't a 50-50 split of male and female when bitching about how cushy office jobs aren't a 50-50 split of male and female?

Did anyone question why, if you can supposedly get away with hiring women for less money, there are more men being employed?

Did anyone get triggered?

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Indie Dev

So what does /digipen think about the career opportunities of independent development?

Personally I feel it's too financially risky to just jump into (especially without a capital base) but would like to try it out at some point alongside a stable job as a sort of hobby.

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ayy

what's this doing in redmond?

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Newbies should read this

No, not the image. I couldn't find a better one. I mean the paste below:

http://pastebin.com/9DyT64uR

(the board didn't like .txt or .pdf. Oh well)

If you're a freshman / thought to look here before enrolling for some weird reason, it's worth a read.

Someone put it up on the public drive (again) and while it was written in 2008, a lot of it stills applies. Gives you an idea of how some people feel about the incoming students as well. It's suitably jaded (just like most people who've been here more than a year) but also honest.

This is a better home for it than the public drive though. It fits the mood at least.

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Fuck, I just had a conversation with a girl that sounded like a scene from the big bang theory due to not having spoken to an attractive women in years. I seriously sounded almost as autistic as a bagd.

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This school has made me so bitter

And I don't even go here. Fucking fucking fuck fuck

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I'll just leave this here

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Everything is down

Hi all, just want to know if it is just me or most networking service is not working at DigiPen now.

Specifically,

1. external repo cannot be pushed or pulled.

2. Spotify does not work

3. Slack does not work

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HE

>HE

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>mfw taking COM150 with Sonia

we love you Sonia!

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Incoming Freshman

planning to do RTIS, the fuck do i expect?

all i see is people complaining about how corrupt shit is and until I applied like a week ago i thought digipen was pretty chill

is there a central argument for going to digipen that isnt from either drop outs(grades) or SJWs?

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GDC

Won a ticket, first time going, know barely anything. Give me the best and worst, and what to expect.

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Games You Hate

What games have DigiPen students turned you off to permanently?

For me the biggest one is Dark Souls.

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You know what we need on digipen spain? Sofas.

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this video is the perfect representation of males hitting on females at digipen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRCNeBjrFuc

Some choice comments, that apply flawlessly to digipen males:

Imagine being Alexa in that studio and having to be all like "damn, Garrett, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your fedora and horrific skellington body. I would totally be your gf, both my character and the real me." When all she really wants to do is fuck another Chad in her dressing room. Like seriously imagine having to be Alexa and not only sit in that chair while Garrett flaunts his disgusting body in front of you, the fedora barely concealing his autism and euphoria, and just sit there, minute after minute, while he perfected that dance. Not only having to tolerate his monstrous fucking visage but his haughty attitude as everyone on set tells him he's TOTALLY GOT IT and DAMN, GARRETT LOOKS LIKE THAT?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch his wimpy fucking faggot face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been fucking nothing but a healthy diet of alphas and BBCs for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in the midwest. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on his pimpled face as he sucks it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in his "gentlemanesque (for that is what he calls himself)" beauty, the beauty he worked so hard for with personal trainers in the previous months. And then Shari's Berries call for another take, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the studio security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Alexa. You're not going to lose your future dance career over this. Just bear it. Smile and bear it.

>that fedora

>that autistic twitching all over the place

>that cringe as fuck excuse for a "dance"

>that 180 degree turn the girl's head does as the beta orbiter tries to kiss her - she clearly just wants to get the cameras and this beta faggot away from her as soon as possible. She has Chad and Blake waiting for her outside for a threesome.

>that fucking cringe hug - it's not even a hug, it's a fucking tap (he's clearly too autistic to know how to hug a girl)

>that pathetic, almost pitiable afterword where he claims "she loved it" and celebrates his comedic morsel of girl attention - "I got two hugs and two thumbs up! Yes!" - while Chad and Blake get to do all sorts of things to her.

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Sportsball

Who would be interested in a softball or flag football team at some point in their DigiPen career?

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Reminders for spring semester

Reminder that this board is primarily a place for bitter people to complain and that things aren't as bad as we make it out to be

Reminder that you'll get probably get through next semester if you want to, and that your instructors don't want you to fail

Reminder that yeah things'll get hard but it's digipen, we signed up for it and everyone'll be finding it as hard as you, so you'll probably be fine

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does anyone at this school use yik yak

or equivalent things

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GAM 150 / GAM 200

Realistically, how fucked is everyone going to be for GAM 200 next fall semester, now that GAM 150 uses Zero, instead of having students make an engine in C?

Is GAM 150 Club going to become GAM 200 Prep Club? I can't imagine GAM 200 getting nerfed at all, it seems like it's just going to be a massive "fuck you drop out now" for many people who either didn't have the foresight to tinker with engine development Spring/Summer 2016.

Or wait… was GAM 150 already using Zero in Spring 2015? I can't keep up with all the changes they keep making to early-game RTIS/BSGD.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI

We gonna see this in DigiPen soon? I need to get a high tier standing so I can work for valve

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Does your GPA really matter?

I've heard conflicting accounts of this.

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[SINGAPORE] HELP ME VOTE FOR MY GAME JAM'S GAME THANKS

https://www.facebook.com/dbsremix/photos/a.1011869862188245.1073741827.116510905057483/1011869978854900/?type=3&theater

Hello everyone! I am representing Crazy Bomb studios and we just made a PC/Android game for DBS Game Jam 15. Do try it out and if you like it, help us vote on the image below! Thanks!

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Is it me?

Is it me, or finales week is the easiest week on Digipen?

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King of the Nerds

Duba said there are upperclassmen that know his characters name in Asheron's Call, anyone here know it?

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Submission Meltdowns

Party in Reynaud tomorrow for anyone who's done with submissions.

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Game Submissions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-WUJGYpyc

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Hi I use to attend Digipen years ago and I currently graduated with my Degree in Graphic Design and what I want to offer you is help with board, card games and instruction booklets.

I remember when I was a BAGD how difficult it was to due boards, cards and flashy instructions. I didn't know how to construct them in a way that would line up correctly or print out. Put it this way, it took me hours trying to make a grid for a board game and even longer to look right.

So if anyone needs help with their projects let me know and we can figure something out.

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Reminder to the BO that 8chan is a broken POS and hotwheels is porting us over to InfDev. Not sure how the move works but you should found out or something.

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chicks

I know that I shouldn't be expecting anything going to digipen, but is it just me or are all the chicks here completely insane, taken, or both?

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Get me offa these e-mail lists!

Left the school last December and I keep getting e-mails for campus events and guest lectures and stuff. Whom do I contact to be removed?

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>MFW Claude caught someone eating in Plato at the LAN party

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Hey Sonia, we know you're reading this

People, they do stuff,

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Thanksgiving

Pleasant reminder to all those whose jimmies are rustled that people in America celebrate thanksgiving regardless of what happened to the natives hundreds of years ago.

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Data Mining Thread

How did you find out about 8chan?

What other boards do you browse?

What other websites do you browse?

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WAKE ME UP INSIDE

CAN'T WAKE UP

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Gat 120

Ellinger just spent half of a class talking about how you should dress as a designer. Why on earth would I care? I know that if you dress like a shmuck, people will treat you like a shmuck. There is no reason to spend half of a class period on that. Seriously????

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Does anyone else hate videogames now?

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Just fired a friend/teammate

I just got through firing a teammate who wasn't doing any work. Unfortunately, this guy was also a close friend, and it wasn't pretty, so I need a fucking drink after this shit. Anyone have any good firing stories or advice on the subject?

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anyone here like watersports?

Kappa

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Looks like we're banned, boys

What's up with this? I don't think I quite understand how they go about which websites to block

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When you receive an email about a free barbecue, but then you remember that you're from DigipenBilbao… Someone teach Meighan McKelvey how to send the fucking messages only to Redmond plz noob

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Is it me, or?

I hear so much shit talk about Ben Ellenger; GAT120 this and GAT2-whatever that, that I really want to take one of those classes to see if your all just whiney bitches or not. Like seriously i'm starting to think you all might be people who

A. Have to be right all the time and just hate it when people (in authority) disagree with you (design wise or in whatever)

B. Have a hard time standing up for your opinions

or C. Are just really shitty designers?

I'm really starting to wonder…

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boo

What's the proper gesture when I see people crying in the hallways or bathroom?

Like, do I help them? Do they not want to be bugged?

???

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BADGers be shiny in chrome

From a dutch game producer

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I'm going to die.

Spending my last few days before the upcoming apocalypse trying to get a handle on my work.

It's coming. I know it is. I can't imagine how dead empty the school is going to be that Tuesday.

I might just even skip some classes.

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I win digipen

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cool

Dice rollRolled 6, 5 + 9 = 20 (2d6)

we did it

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Midterm Meltdowns

Anyone seeing the fallout from midterms yet?

This semester's crop of dropouts is looking rather bountiful.

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Happy Halloween Digitards

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can we agree that this is the stupidest fucking team name of all time
>maybe le volvo will hire us lol
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Ben

The Rhino needs to be at my funeral, so he can let me down one more time.

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Prospective BAGD here

Hey everyone. High school junior here. I used to play a lot of video games without really thinking about the mechanics of how they work. But after watching Extra Credits, I became really interested in the game design process and started playing them as a designer, instead of a player just like James recommends. What else can I do to get accepted into and prepare for the program?

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BSCSGD Question

How do BSCSGDs do in the industry? I always hear a ton about other degree programs but rarely see anything on BSGD.

1st semester at digipen.

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To the upperclass RTIS student who keeps making eye contact with me. You're 10/10 eye candy. Get at me.

SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT

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The Beginner's Guide

Dice rollRolled 6 (1d6)

anyone else play this?

i want to know what you guys thought about this, before some BAGDer comes in on monday and stirs up a circle jerk.

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So now that the senior projects have been posted in the halls, which one looks the least awful?

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GD STUDENTS, WATCH THIS VIDEO BEFORE A PROFESSOR LIKE MORRISON REGURGITATES IT TO YOU AND CHARGES YOU CLASS TIME FOR IT

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just fukking LMAO @ people that go to GAM lecture

just LOL buddy boyos

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Digipen Hookups.

Female here. 21. Fourth year.

How come every mother fucking male I take to bed in this stinking school breaks down and starts sobbing the morning after that they want to go out and have a relationship.

This has happened way too many times.

Granted, i'm not opposed to dating, but honestly, I'm busy with schoolwork and I want to focus on that, not cultivating a 'thing'.

Every. single. time. Despite me telling them it's just a hookup. A friends with bennies. Nothing emotional, just a roll in the hay, I inevitably get that sobby, red-faced kid on my doorstep clutching flowers telling me how he wants me to stay at his parents house over the summer with him. ( This actually happened. )

So what the fuck, men? Why can't I have a good hookup, and not have this happen.

I tell em, and they don't listen.

Advice? Have you done this? Has it happened to you?

Maybe I'm just really good at picking the insecure virgins, but to my knowledge, I don't think I've popped any cherries … so what gives.

Here is hoping this year is better.

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thank you, /digipen/

>ITT your experience so far

Freshman here, I found this board a bit before first semester started and the hate towards BAGD convinced me to switch (initially to BSCSGD now just BSCS). My dormies are badgers and god damn everything I hear about GAT classes sounds awful and the majority of badgers I meet are useless narcissistic "idea guys" with absolutely no skill or hope for the future. If every single one dropped out I would only feel happy for their sake. Apparently even Portnow told them that their life as a "game designer" will probably be shit when he came to speak. Also really liking the CS teachers, I can't imagine only learning scripting languages and having almost no actual knowledge of computers or art. And holy shit hearing other students talk about memes is unbearable (how has this John Cena shit not gotten old yet?)

Anyways the sound design program actually looks pretty good too, taking an intro to sound class and I like it a lot.

I'd say the biggest problems with this school are definitely the BAGD program, lack of business major/minor, and reddit autists it attracts.

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Sorrry, Rutherfortd, but...

Ahh digipen… another year… another game project… another dream between friends.

And team on ones…

I swear to christ, if I hear "Your game could be the next Discord!" I'm going to fucking lose my shit.

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Now that classes have started, any roommate horror stories yet?

Read the title, especially pointed towards those poor souls in the digipen housing crap lol

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percent of digipen students here

If it's not obvious by my question, I'm a freshman. About what percentage of digipen students regularly post on here?

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Daily reminder that you're the one failing, not Digipen.

Daily reminder that the reason you suck so much is because you spend your time on here meming instead of studying.

Daily reminder that you blame your shortcomings on the school because you're weak.

>thinking that you'd be able to get into one of the most competitive industries on the planet playing league 4 hours a day and half assing your shit

plebs

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Please Do Not

Over the past few weeks I've seen this one ( or who knows, maybe it's a few, they all kinda blur together in a mesh of badly dyed hair and 'steam punk giraffe' t-shirts after a while… ) freshman girl with [redacted].

Ok, whatever, maybe shes just having a weird day.

A few days later, spot her again with [redacted] and [redacted].

Few days after that, shes wearing [redacted] and [redacted].

> Overhear her talking to her friends " When the Blizzard meeting, I want to go and show them my stuff."

I'm all for self expression, but shit like this gives us a bad name. Seriously? Walk up to an industry professional with clown makeup and [redacted] on expecting to be taken seriously?

I'm betting she won't be back next semester, in any case.

Whats some of the worst fashion you've seen at DP.

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DigiPeeps say weird stuff. As do ProjectFun kids. So tell me about it here.

http://goo.gl/forms/TxRvqjLDVL

I AM SHAMELESSLY SELF PROMOTING THIS THING CLICK THE LINK

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Having fun outside of DigiPen

What do you guys do when you don't fucking feel like playing video games in Edison/cafeteria? What is there to do in Redmond?

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gat240

can we talk about how terrible this class is and how most of the class is about to fail project 2 because the rubric starts you off at like -760%

can we also talk about how we all need to be at the next design council/town hall so shit actually gets done. as much as complaining to 8chan is cool this class seriously needs to get fixed

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Team Spaces

What does everyone think about them changing the team space policy so that breaking the rules results in a fine?

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Is it just me, or has this board gotten really toxic lately? It seems like no one can post about their opinion without it devolving into namecalling almost immediately

>inb4 ironic namecalling of OP

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Bronze Sables

where they go? :(

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Has anyone gotten Zero to run successfully with WINE? Any tips?

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Ellinger's lectures in a nutshell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7gudICDxnM

"Do I know what vital role means? No."

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Fucking peeved

I am a sophomore and can transfer exactly 0 credits from DigiPen to UW. Great. This place is built to be a fucking prison.

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can this be the digipen theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sjy5NyVA9k

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just when you think you've seen it all

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Compare and Contrast

DigiPen RTIS vs. UW CompSci

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The "Random" team spaces

So what do you guys think of the "random" allocation of team spaces. I personally think that they are nowhere near random. They have been manipulated by someone. I think we all know who manipulated it.

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BFA Townhall Round 2

We going to see any more meltdowns during the upcoming townhall?

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See ya fuckers

Just transferred to the UWs computer science program. IM FREE FROM THIS WEIRD PURGATORY, SOMEWHAT NORMAL PEOPLE HERE I COME. YAHOOOOOOOO!

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Ye scurvy dogs

Grad here. Is scurvy still an issue among the maladjusted autists who don't know that Mountain Dew and cheesecake daily isn't a meal?

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Interior Semiotics Indeed

Digipen is the crowd of hipsters/the art show, I am the Beer Man, the Narrator is talking about my life.

I know who the Diversity Asian is in my life.

I'm not entirely sure who the Girl Pissing Herself is in my life though, maybe she's more like a morphic antagonist? Like anybody at any time could become the Girl Pissing Herself if you're not careful.

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ITT we greentext things we thought were memes before DP

>pic related

also this (was said by someone, in one of our cohort's group chats the first week he got in there):

>"9-11 was an inside job done by Bush. You can tell by the way the building was in freefall…"

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Seriously? More fucking board games?

BSGD turned RTIS. Does anyone have recommendations on shit I can do to ACTUALLY learn digital game design? At present I've just got a notebook of what I like/dislike about games I play and how I'd change 'em.

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Hows it going?

How is this year going for everyone

freshman here and given what I saw on this board going into it I am pleasantly surprised by how much I like it here, especially the teachers and almost every non-BAGD student.

But fuck badgers though god damn they are annoying. 2 of my dormies are badgers and I don't mind one but the other embodies everything I can hate in a person: she is SJW, lazy, ignorant, full of herself, and all she does is complain about everything except herself. Also she's a full on biowarefag. I know its mean to want people to fail but I really hope her laziness gets the best of her so she has to drop out. I actually applied as a BAGD then switched to BSCSGD after coming to this board and now I'm just BSCS after seeing that I'd be critically analysing gone homo. Very happy with that decision.

What are some good clubs here? I just started in a 5E group (1 DM 3 players right now) in tabletop club and game design club was 10x better than the GAT class I went to before withdrawing. Also making a Dota club even though there's a MOBA club so I can get twice as many –pizzas– social experiences. If they let me I'd also be interested in making a Mead Appreciation club (if there isn't one already).

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it's always good to know that our Diversity Club is in the hands of such open-minded, fair, equal, and tolerant folks. y'know, the kind of folks who unashamedly reblog shit like this on their very-public tumblr and assume it won't come back to bite them later.

and people wonder why others are against "diversity clubs" and "social justice".

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DigiPen Institute of Technology: a healthy learning environment

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http://imgur.com/gallery/OVFJs

*slurp* *suck* *lick* *sluuuuuuuuurp* *fart*

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>he actually majored in BAGD

POST YFW FRESHMAN BADGERS ARE ANALYZING GONE HOME IN GAT 120

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Ok so my birthday is coming up and I want to a nice wacom, but I don't know a lot about them. Give me some recommendations for a nice high quality wacom or whatever.

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Same old song

Anyone looking forward to / dreading any classes this semester?

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WARNING FROM BOARD OWNER: METAL GEAR SOLID V SPOILERS AHEAD. I SPOILER-TAGGED THEM FOR YOU BECAUSE OP IS A FLAMING PILE OF HUMAN GARBAGE AND DID NOT.

venom snake isnt big boss. hes the medic from ground zeroes. ground zeroes is a flashback of the medic reliving big boss's experience through hypnotherapy

the character creation at the beginning is what the medic actually looked like. look at snakes reflection in the helicopter or the helicopter photos in first person to see.

the real big boss is making outer heaven and setting up metal gear 1. you see him in the intro, hes ishmael.

strangelove is otacons mother. huey killed her b/c he wanted to use otacon to pilot metal gear

the skulls are infected with a parasite that kills people who speak english.

quiet doesnt talk because of that but at the end of her story she does and dies. no you dont get to fuck her sorry thirsty nerds

eli is liquid snake. this ones fucking obvious come on

the game ends with venom snake becoming fake big boss of outer heaven. kaz works with him to overthrow real big boss because real bb basically cheated on kaz. ocelot is still gay for bb so obv they work to kill venom snake in mg1

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Hey Surly DigiPeoples

If you think there's something fucked up about DigiPen, here's a link to the ACCSC's standards of accreditation.

http://www.accsc.org/UploadedDocuments/standards%20and%20alerts/ACCSC%20Standards%20of%20Accreditation%20and%20Bylaws%20-%20070114.pdf

Linking this because people should know that DigiPen was renewed for the next 5 years unconditionally, so nobody's going to be checking in and saving you.

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Why the fuck do I keep coming back here?

I've graduated this hellhole and the board almost never updates anyhow. It's like I'm torturing myself.

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if there's one thing i can't fucking stand

it's how people who were once your friends abandon you when you drop out

just a few months ago we were laughing and working together, and now even though i'm still in redmond, it's like we're a million miles away

i understand that you probably need to do this to keep yourself sane. you have to believe that i'm subhuman garbage and that is why i dropped out; it's not digipen's fault, it's just that i'm the one who was too weak

but we're still friends on facebook and every time i see all of you getting together and having a fun time, it kills me a little bit inside

as i sit here at my computer in my apartment, alone, trying to figure out what the fuck to do next in my life

anyone else drop out and notice this fucking bullshit

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Does anyone else think that Ellen Beeman looks like a Rachel and Rachel Rutherford looks like an Ellen?

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Today, after months of jumping through hoops to go to another school, I was unceremoniously dropped because of my college GPA for my last semester of DigiPen(NOT my cumulative, mind you).

Advice to anyone at DigiPen or anyone in high school considering it: If you aren't sure, GET THE FUCK AWAY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. It's like covering your academic records in fucking glitter.

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Typical highschool student who wants to get into the game dev industry here. What do you guys think of this article? Is DigiPen still not worth the money for all the things (clubs, forming teams, one-on-one time with industry professionals and your team, and help getting connections with employers) he mentions? (for an RTIS degree) http://allenchou.net/2015/07/digipen-the-game-school-i-went-to/

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Yesterday, Claude finally moved all his R/C planes out of his office. He needed a moving van to do that. Also, he didn't do it: he had the security guard take care of it. I heard that they're going to be able to make 3 offices out of the space that used to be taken by the planes.

There's not much point to this post, Claude can do what he want with the space in the building, but I just find the whole thing really weird and a little offputting.

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Here have this

Cloud Comair

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Freshman thread

BAGD here should I switch to RTIS? From what I've gathered here that seems like a very good idea before I get locked in.

Also freshman advice thread.

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Confessions

Now that I'v dropped out and gotten away from the BAGDs I used to work with, I need to confess: I'm not about making those fucking condescending arty poetic experience games. I only wanted to make fun games that didn't have to be groundbreaking. Fuck Ellinger, Morrison, and the rest of the autistic design department for their bias towards storytelling when the only storytelling experience I got was taking Joly's awful class as an elective.

Anyone else got confessions they want to get off their chest?

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StackOverflow

Everyone on stackoverflow is a motherfucking son of a bitch. they are so harsh and i wish i can mutilate them.

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Im high

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Kitchen Drone here

Lets talk foodstuffs! What things would you like to see more/less of? Which foods suck?
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Hello, it's cold, dark, and lonely here. I don't know how I got here. I don't go to DigiPen and think I took a wrong turn at hiddenwiki. Anyway, it looks like that school sucks so SORRY everyone is going there

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Ha ha, holy shit.Thoughts on "our glorious leader's" chicken sandwich?

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Entryway statue

Good God this fucker's ugly
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i hate myself

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what the fuck is this

what the fuck is digipen?

is it just some shitty for-profit college based on game design or some shit?

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Let's talk drugs

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More pretention please

http://bit.ly/1LlT1HD

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How do you think your future employers will feel about this board?

Think about it. Most of the shit you guys are posting just makes you look like fools in the eyes of an employer. I wouldn't want to hire any of these students. You guys are paying a shitload to attend this school, if you don't like it, go elsewhere. No one is twisting your arm telling you to attend DigiPen. Don't ruin the schools reputation, or yours for that matter. Be smart.
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Remember Portnow and how pretentious and shitty he was, and how young and gullible and able to eat up his bullshit we were? Jesus Christ.

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Transcript requests

Where do I address the transcript request form to get my DigiPen transcript?

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The more you know

I would just like to say that if you are on a game team and you're the one who was asked to gather audio assets for the game and you are not in a sound major, you're the worst team member on the team. This is only not true if there's someone on your team even more worthless who can't even be counted on to get audio assets.

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digipen droll

my favorite thing about digipen students is that none of them ever shut up

i mean, everyone's allowed to have opinions, but I could have expressed your opinion in a single sentence, we don't need a freaking novella

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DigiPen over, how do i job?

Do I still have to balance my job's programming work with making a board game with a combat system and my graphics homework?

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How you got suckered in

I'm not a DigiPen student, but I feel like in an alternate reality (where I tried harder in high school), I probably could have been. For a long time, I was a pretty firm believer in DigiPen. I just thought that it was the "legit" and "professional" gamedev school. I think I mainly got this impression from two things:
>game websites like Kotaku that kept putting it on "best vidya college" lists
>Narbacular Drop

Frankly, it's disgusting how much of what DigiPen gets away with is allowed by their media and industry ties. If game journalism really wanted to tackle issues in the industry, it sounds like DigiPen would be a fucking great target. It seems like a scam on the level of Phoenix University, and an insane grind as well.

But anyway, what convinced you guys to attend? Where did you hear about DigiPen, and what told you it was good?
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meta

Why the fuck is there a board for DigiPen and why am I not surprised by how terrible it is? I have a feeling most of you will sit behind your anonymity and use it as a shield. desu desu desu desu desu desu me too
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Shit You're Supposed to Know

(Or learn on your own time while enrolled)

For the Holcomb boardstravaganza GAT classes, it seems like you're assumed to be proficient with some sort of image software, despite never being given a class for it.

BFAs don't seem to know how to save files consistently for use as game assets, which is because they won't officially work on a game project at a game school until junior year, and their professors don't give a shit about preparing them for it.

Rtises go into Gam200 with only a sorry C engine with alpha engines bullshit, and are expected to have worked on it over the summer or shit it out immediately so their non-programming designers can actually start working (zero prototypes aside)

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End-of-Year Celebrations!

How are you gonna all celebrate, I plan on drinking heavily before passing out while watching adult swim. What about you guys?

How do you plan on celebrating the end of the school year?

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Zero Functionality Engine

I sincerely hope this is just my fucked up copy of Zero but I am getting fucking sick of re-importing files constantly because Zero can't manage things well and doesn't have a refresh option for sprites and textures. Literally every time I import a new texture it breaks all my particle emitters that use a previous texture. I'm guessing it has an array of textures and adding new ones fucks up where the old ones are found. HOWEVER I am using the SpriteSource.Find function so this should not happen. Worst part is I can't update to a new build because they took out Python. 10/10 good plan.
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enjoy the motherfucking catalina wine mixer

peace out drop outs glhf getting a job. enjoy the money, free time, and normal human contact for those of us that continue to choose their abstinence for *maybe* some better odds

sincerely yours,

who gives a shit

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Bad Roomies

Story time.
Tell me YOUR shitty room mate stories.

Freshman year, instead of getting into Digipen housing I take a gander at the room mate/apartment housing site.

Find a place.
Fucking ShadowBrook. Don't know it at the time but the place is a mass of mold and crap with a fuckton of children that like to scream at all hours.

Decide to take a look. Price is all-right. Own bedroom. Own bathroom. Basement level, but it looks ok.

Meet roommate. ( We are both female.) We will call her E. E's parents own the apartment.

E is a classic digipenner. Overweight, smells, never washes hair. Wears same outfit every day. Dirty pokemon shirt. Baggy shorts. Never seen without baseball cap.

E's parents pay for her everything. She has a new car, gets a grand a month for 'spending money', all tuition paid for out of pocket.

When I first meet E she seems OK enough. Quiet. Doesn't make eye contact. Sort of awkward but I can deal.

After first week of school, things quickly degrade.

Apartment starts to become messy. It is very clear that E has a bit of a problem.

E has her own room, but absolutely refuses to use it except for sleeping. She is always out in he living room, playing DOTA on her laptop and watching TV.
E has this disgusting armchair recliner that she rots in whenever she is not sleeping or at school.

From 8 AM to 2 AM. DOTA in the armchair.

E eats in this as well, and will not get up to throw away her food/garbage/anything. Starts to pile up in a circle of garbage around her chair. Soda bottles, chip bags, candy wrappers, pints and pints and pints of ice cream.

Two weeks in.

Pile has now spread to sofa. Flies starting to accumulate.
'E maybe you should pick up some of this stuff'
'I will soon'

Never does.

One month in.

You can now audibly hear buzzing in the living room from flies. E pretends not to notice. Will not let me open any windows in the apartment. Including the blinds. I take out the garbage as much as I can. Can see flies crawling over her sometimes while she plays games. She seems not to care. One day, when E is away at school. I clean.

I clean fucking everything. Vacuum. Scrub. Mop.

E comes home.
Global fucking meltdown.
"I HAVE BACKWARDS OCD YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME."

All I threw away were empty food containers.


The rest of the year is her desperately trying to put mess back in the apartment. I will throw away moldy bags of donuts only for her to fish them out of the trash and put them back on the counter claiming she can eat around the mold.

It is E's first time away from her parents and she has no idea how to be an adult.

E's diet has piddled itself down to exactly this.

1.) Moose-Tracks Ice cream, aprox. 1 gallon every two to three days.
2.) Texas toast.
3.) Sausage hot pockets.
4.) Dr.Pepper

E's hair has started to fall out from what I can only assume is a total lack of any physical movement and malnutrition. She drives her car the short walk to school. Little tumbleweeds of greasy hair all around apartment. Keeps wearing baseball hat to cover it up. Can see bald spot whenever she is not wearing it at home. She is barely 20 years old.

E has now started sleeping out in the living room. Catch her masturbating out there multiple times. Pretend not to notice.

E sometimes sneaks into my room to 'pet' my stuffed animals.

Had a short fling with a guy near the end of the semester. E would just knock and knock on my door and try to open it during private time. "WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING IN THERE?"

E was super hard to live with.
It was always a battle keeping her/her mess out of my room.

Moved out as soon as the year was over.

She has failed a few classes since then but I'm not sure if she still goes here.

Maybe ~ I try to avoid her when I can.
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Well, it's better than nothing.

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BAGDs' Entry Level Jobs(Serious)

I'm an RTIS junior who has never knowingly interacted with a BFA or BAGD, so I have absolutely no perspective on the art side of this school. What sort of entry-level jobs do BAGDs find? Surely there aren't many companies interested in pure designers? Do they get hired as artists as well?
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2015 death toll

Who's not coming back for the 2016 school year? Mention your degree and year if you can, I'd love to get a wider perspective there.

I'm a junior bsgd leaving for medical reasons.

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Apartments that aren't mold pits?

So gates and shadowbrook are both pretty disgusting in terms of mold growth. Does anyone have any recommendations or do I just have to go get more fucking dehumidifiers?
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Installer Questions

Hi, freshman BSGD here. I was wondering if anybody knew how to properly do an installer for Zero Engine projects for GAM150, I know we have to use something like Inno or InstallShield but it seems like such a daunting task so I was wondering if anybody could dumb it down?
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Can we take a minute and talk about something positive? Seriosuly we make FUCKING VIDEO GAMES :D

^^
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Okay, guys,

Thanks to /DigiPen/ for everything, it was unbelievably helpful during some of my darkest times at this school. Today is my last game presentation as a student, and the end is in sight. Best wishes to everyone who stays, and good luck to my fellow dropouts.
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STUDENT SHOWCASE LIVESTREAM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sclPiqgskWE

GET IN HERE WE DOIN DIS
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WHYNOBOOZ?

Why does everyone at this school go silent when you ask them to go out for a beer at the brewery across the street? I mean fuck, every nerd from my home town has a pint or shot every now and then. But Jesus, its like these nerds see you as slinging meth if you invite them to go out to a bar with you.

They look at you with a smug ass face and go "Oh, I don't drink." and back away as if I'm about to pull out a switch blade and mug them in an effort to feed my rampant alcohol addiction.

God damn ALL THESE. FUCKING. BETAS.
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I peruse digipen students tumblrs occasionally.
Found this gem today.


In all seriousness, if I were trying to get hired and had a blog, I would not put things like this out there.
Seems in bad taste.
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splelcheck

Pro quality right there
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Comfort zones

Does anyone else have a favorite "farting chair" in Edison? Whenever I'm having a particularly gassy day, I like to pick out a specific one of those hard-plastic chairs that have the fabric bottom, and sit in it while I work. I fart in it over and over, and eventually it starts to absorb my odor. It's nice because the familiar smell makes me feel comfortable, like I'm in a cocoon of safety. I marked it with a little scratch on the back of the plastic so I always know which one it is, and can get it back later, without anyone else being able to spot it.

So, what kind of comfort zones do you guys put yourselfs into?
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ProjectFun

So. Who's not looking forward to working ProjectFun this summer?
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Film projects

Is there no place for people to film that doesn't block the ENTIRE FUCKING HALL? I hate walking in front of cameras when I've been on the receiving end of getting a film project fucked up in high school, but it's to the point where not a single day goes by where I don't have to pass through someone's shot.
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Student Evaluations

Alright, it's that time of the semester. What's the best/worst of each of your classes?
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lol @ people who take screenshots of /digipen/ posts out-of-context and post them on facebook (you know who you are)

keep drinking the kool-aid and paying your dues to Claude. don't interact with people anonymously, just stand up there on your high tower acting superior
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anyone else?

This might seem childish, but the reason I'm leaving the school is because I no longer feel proud of my work here. I didn't come here to make anything revolutionary, but I wanted to make games I could write home about and say 'I made this'. I haven't felt that in GAM since my first semester, GAT since 210, and not at all in my cs courses.

24 days left.
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Positivity Thread

Alright, it'd fun to complain and get things off your chest, but there's a reason why everyone's still here. Let's hear all the things you love about this school!
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Screw teamspaces

Why the hell is most of Edison devoted to a single fucking class? Shouldn't teamspace only be a thing for people who have survived sophomore year so we aren't shunting the BFAs into the art ghetto?

And while I'm at it, fuck those pretentious shitstains that always introduce themselves as "_ from Team _" like everyone has heard of their Gam150 team
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poop

Poop poop poop pooper
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Dating at Digipen

Obviously there is a significant gender balance issue at digipen. How do you guys deal with it? Everyone either already has a boyfriend or is not interested in dating.

Where do you go to get out and meet women?

Or are we all autistic nerds with no social life.
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Professor ranking thread. Best to worst (broken up by tier):

God Tier:
>Mead
>Bede

Top Tier:
>Hanson
>Vermesi
>Peters (Honorable mention: fuckin' AJ)
>Hemovich
>Moody

Mid Tier:
>Holcomb
>Volper
>Dimitri
>Rowan

Bottom Tier:
>Dougernaut
>Solorzano
>Morrison
>Beorkel
>Fuckin' Tony

Shit Tier:
>Ellinger (+Rachel/Ellen)
>Comair
>Schafer
>Portnow
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8chan's back!

Let's celebrate with this absolute gem of a reddit thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/digipen/comments/2ri2f1/man_this_school_was_a_waste_of_my_money/
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Groundbreaking programming question

Everyone always says 8==D, but what if 8!=D?
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DigiPen Faculty don't read these boards.

and there is no dp professor fight club Feel free to use the soap, though.
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odd thought

While most college people that I know get the major Christian holidays off(incl Easter monday), the school doesn't seem to acknowledge it. On the other hand, we got Our Glorious Leader's birthday off. What does that say that we get Claude's birthday off but not a major religious holiday?
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Seriously?

Can we stop with the goddamn social media screencaps from people reacting to the board? It doesn't take much to find out who posted what if you're decently connected on whatever social network, and it's kind of lending towards talking shit about specific current DigiPen students.
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>inb4 drama

My digisenses tell me a thing is incoming. Could be incoming, anyway. If it is, I hope that it doesn't produce DigiDrama™, but, you never know.
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Worst Teachers, who and why?

Seeing as opinions are fairly spread as to which teachers are actually worthwhile, aside from based Mead, I ask /digipen/ this: Name the two teachers you most dislike and provide why. Or for all you positives out there name your favorite and why, then get their dick out of your mouth.
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The weirdos of DigiPen housing

Any good roommate stories from housing people?

I had three morons to deal with, a dude who wouldn't stop jacking off while I was trying to sleep, an idiot who thought running his laptop through the dryer would be a good way to dry it, and a prissy overpriveliged dude who thought everything had to accommodate him because of his rich parents. (I wasn't much better, all this stress plus DigiPen plus a death in my family left me with a short fuse)

One of my favorite stories about these idiots is that jackoff loved to cook awful burgers. He submerged then in oil in the frying pan, and then seared the outside, leaving the inside completely raw. One time he was cooking and noticed smoke coming out of the pan. Logically, he concluded that water put out fire, so he put the getting pan under the sink. I looked up from the couch when I noticed an orange glow from the kitchen, to see jack off staring dumbfounded at a 6 foot column of flames. Nobody was hurt, but prissy starts screaming and whining, I explain to jackoff that we have a fire extinguisher, and then go to bed after double checking my smoke detector in case he tried to cook again that night.
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The Triad

ITT: The Triad. Thoughts? Opinions?

Criticisms of my shitty picture mock up?
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I don't even feel safe on 8chan anymore.

Professors have recently discovered the board.
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DigiPen Against Humanity

If I finished making this and put a copy in the rec room, how long do you think it would be before it was confiscated?
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What's up with IT?

This morning I came to school and found that i couldn't connect to the internet through the ethernet cable. I went to IT, and it turns out they blocked me for pirating a movie. This would normally be ok, I mean, I did it so I deserve it, but the problem is that I did it last year and was just now blocked. I haven't done anything wrong in such a long time it kind of felt arbitrary that they would keep me from working right when I was about to do my pre-grade.
Just ranting a bit, I guess this can be an IT rage/story thread. IT is welcome to join in, I think you guys are doing great work except for this incident
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R.I.P Zero

Let's make an update that breaks the code for half the games, and push it a week before Beta and 3 weeks before final! What could possibly go wrong?

Seriously, what the FUCK, Zero Team?
Everyone doing GAM150 right now, do not update your shit.
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Pros/Cons of staying

Hey, I'm a sophomore bsgd considering leaving the school and getting a cs degree elsewhere. Rtises and bsgds, why have you stuck around?
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What about Normal people?

Hey guys, (Girls if any) [Maybe Trans, or Kitchen Drones]

I'm sure a lot of us are not only nerds, or maybe not at all. We know how real world works, not just the anime and videogames Pangea.

I've met remarkable people in this Beta college, and we have been partying and gone clubbing together.
Some of us, make a normal non-Digilife: We workout, play sports and have either dates or an off-site campus GF.
And we manage to pass, get nice grades and make something with our lives besides being all-day-long in front of a screen.

Does anyone else run into the issue, where people give you bad looks because of being fit?
Or maybe because they know you like to drink / smoke some weed?
Or because you actually shower and use colony/deodorant on the mornings?
Or because you are able to speak about sports, girls, politics and so on with anybody?

Sounds so retarded, but I believe the average Non-Typical-Digipen student gets actually BULLIED in this place.
Ofc, I find it funny, as I have a more interesting life than them from my point of view.
But I still feel bullied, not just by students (Which is most of it), sometimes even some Professors or Faculty.

What does the DigiPenitentiary judge?

Pd: I am friends with a lot of Nerds (Real Friends, not that dP Co-Worker standard), this is not meant to be offensive to them. I am claiming the rights of the Normal people. That minority on this college.
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BFA Town Hall

So, how about that BFA town hall meeting?
For anyone who wasn't there, at least four people burst into tears and more than 60% of the BFA's are suicidal or depressed because of Digipen. Administration and faculty have some shit to fix and some useless psychologists to fire.
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ITT: Team Stories

Anyone got any stories about working in teams (blah blah confines of the rules, don't identify your teammates that stuff)?
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Why all the designer hate?

Hi guys,

I'm a perspective student who'd really like to get into game design but in reading through this thread it seems like a lot of the designers aren't well liked.

Is there a big reason for the hate? Are all design students at the school bad/hard to deal with? Or is it only just some giving the rest bad names?
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I'm going to be a BAGD, how do I not be a complete fuckboy?

I get it, a lot of BAGDs are rich, social retards, with zero levels of introspection. I'm not any of those things for one, and I'm not intellectually retarded either. I know you guys need BAGDs who can code and I need help as to where I can start! (I want to be an indie so obviously coding is a given).

I'm actually going to a community college for a year to get some classes dealt with because Jesus fucking Christ DigiPen is expensive, so even then I have tons of time to learn more things I need to know to become a decent BAGD.
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>beans in chili
Absolutely disgusting.
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Princeton Review

>"Congratulations Dragons! We kicked butt on the Princeton Review so It is time for a reward we say! What kind of reward? Free Entree tomorrow! It will be beef with roasted potatoes and Yorkshire Pudding (aka Popovers!). It will be delicious, but alas there will be only 400 servings!"

Obviously Princeton didn't look into BFA morale for their review. But hey, at least the first 400 people to get to the cafeteria in a school of ~1000 students get FREE FOOD.
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LAN PARTY MOTHERFUCKERS

What's good at the LAN party this time?
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oh my fucking god

Please fucking shower. The stench at the lan party made me want to stick used toilet paper up my nostrils for relief.
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'_>'
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Made a new Mascot for everyone that isn't a fucking dargon

C+C appreciated

The points on it represent the different degrees. Except I'm not good at Photoshop and had to redraw it.
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I sure hope no one says anything bad about the school!

Dear Dragons:

ACCSC (Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges) has scheduled an on-site evaluation for March 24-25. This is a regular review of all the operations at DigiPen, and takes place once every five years. The ACCSC on-site evaluators may visit your class to survey students, ask questions or observe.

Thank you in advance for your understanding!

Meighan McKelvey
Sr. VP, Administration
DigiPen Institute of Technology
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Producers

I have only been here for three years and seriously, why are there so many people who want to be producers? How did this get popular?
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Whoa!

Figured out why cafeteria prices are so high!
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Fuck yarbus.

4% and a fucking pax offer.
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Digipen Commandments

I'll go first

Thou shalt not criticize thy programmers art unless thou can make better art than thy programmer.

Someone else go.
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Digipen can make your dreams come true if you just believe.
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Hey guys, now that this board is being linked to on peoples' Facebooks and stuff, along with us just hitting >>1000 today, I figured that now would be as good of a time as any to restate the purpose of this board.

This board was created due to student frustrations with the way the Redmond campus of DigiPen Institute of Technology is run. However, I hope I have made it very clear that, outside of rule violations ( http://8ch.net/digipen/rules.html ), I have not done any tone-policing or editing or deleting of any threads or posts, whether I agree with them or not. This is meant to be a platform for open, anonymous discussion of any DigiPen campus, DigiPen as a whole, and the various day-to-day problems that students at the school run into.

Rule violations will not be tolerated, but anything else is fair game. 8chan is not a person, and /digipen/ is not a person. It is tempting to think of them as people, because everyone is anonymous and you can't necessarily discern who is who (especially since the Unique ID system falls apart because many people post from within DigiPen, and 8chan identifies them as "the same person"). Keep in mind that people here have many different beliefs and backgrounds. Just a simple glance at the "secret bathroom" thread should be enough to prove that.

So now I'm going to open this to any questions or concerns that anyone has about the board or whatever. I'm open to hearing what anyone has to say.

Or you can just call me a faggot or whatever I guess.
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The print counter

Does anyone now what that is there for?
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GAM Grading Policy

Goodness gracious! WHY why are we expected to produce industry-ready products during our time in this school if we are not even taught how to? The point is to PRACTICE making video games, not to make a AAA title! So fed up with that attitude toward student work! You have made a game? Great! It works? Awesome! It even has decent design?! WOW, just for that you already should get an "A+", not a freaking "F".
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I'm drunk and pissed at DigiPen.

Let's face it, you probably are too.

Let's talk about the bullshit and corruption at what should be the greatest school of all time but is actually a flaming pile of fucking garbage, together.

Note that I have no clue how to post as board owner or anything so fuck it.

also I wanted /dp/ but that's some porn thing apparently
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You are all trash to me until someone finishes super space ____.

It has been two years and there has been no console release. I don't care about your shitty excuses.

"not my game"
"those guys have jobs already"
"I don't even know what you're talking about."

I hold your entire institution and all you whiny trash babies in it responsible for this travesty.
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Design townhall

I had to leave before it started because of health problems. What did it consist of?
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Town Hall Meetings

BSGD Here. Unfortunately it seems I have a dentist appointment right during the GD Town Hall meeting. I was thinking that this is our chance to speak up, so I'm making this thread so everyone can for coherent thoughts so we can actually bring up issues at the meeting. Feel free to contribute, and let me know how the meeting goes! Also, we should probably have separate threads for the other degrees
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LAN Party

Anything worthwhile happening at the LAN party this semester? Last one was kinda shit IMO.
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Sooooo BFA worth it, or ...?

Incoming BFA student for 2015- 2016
…….
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Freetard RTIS Freshman here.
Has anyone gotten Zero to work on GANOO/LOONIX or am I going to have to dualboot if I want to use anything other than the school computers for Zero. I really would rather not install proprietary software but I feel like I might have no choice.
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ITT: Who's Worst Off Pissing Match

>RTIS
I don't think I can say much negative about the RTIS program myself, but I'm sure someone in Portegys's(or however the fuck it's spelled) classes has been stewing on why this program's fucked up.

>BAGD

GAT classes. You get taught to work with abstract elements and terminology that changes every fucking semester, don't get any solid skills outside of "throw shit against the wall, figure out what sticks and why"

>BSGD

The degree gets treated like shit; Ellinger himself says that BSGDs aren't as good of designers as his precious badgers. It's the worst of both worlds, though - its first half is pretty much RTIS classes with enough GAT to make the BSGDs feel like they're "designing." At least with "Computer Science" in the full degree title they're hireable as devs, since neither they nor the BAGDs are getting entry-level design jobs.

>BFA

Oh dear GOD the fucking art department policy. If you fail one assignment, you fail the class. You get to resubmit, sure, but look at the fucking workload and you'll realize that if you don't pass an assignment on the first go, you're going to get fucking swamped. I live with a couple BFA's who are up until 2-3 every night just working. Not to mention that this vidya game school doesn't seem to want their artists WORKING ON VIDEO GAMES FOR CREDIT until Junior year?

>CE

Has anyone even SEEN a CE student lately? I think they're an endangered species.

>BA/BSMSD, BSCS

Did the Sound Design degree even get finished before the ADHD staff moved onto starting the BSCS degree? All three are really untested degrees, so I doubt there's much to go on. Nobody on my GAM team actually -knew- that the MSD students actually did more than just produce assets. On the other hand, they seem better-connected with 200-level projects than BFA's, so maybe the program isn't going to have the same situation as the Art Ghettos in Edison and Tesla.