Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 08:08:39 efdc30 No. 1550 [Last 50 Posts]
I peruse digipen students tumblrs occasionally.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 08:26:08 90c303 No. 1552
Having a grumblr is usually in bad taste. Is it associated with their real name?
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 17:22:46 3b05f4 No. 1563
>>1550 >"safe place to take a piss" >safe Ya know, that's the problem with snowflake kids. They don't realize that normal college dorms don't even have separate bathrooms for men and women.
There is literally nothing "unsafe" about using literally any bathroom on campus. Even if you're a guy that likes wearing dresses, you're not gonna get Fucking ambushed an beaten up in the men's room.
They just make such a big deal out of nothing.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:03:40 a2a657 No. 1567
>>1550 The number of people who have idiotic shit on their Facebooks never ceases to amaze me, too. These kids seriously don't think about how this is going to be tied to their real name forever, and that the Internet never forgets.
At least the Facebook idiots aren't literally tagging it #DigiPen.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:21:18 72a03c No. 1568
We talk shit about queer students on 8chan? What?
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:36:54 90c303 No. 1572
>>1568 Sometimes we talk shit about how the diversity club hates any non minority. Maybe that's what the dumblr was about?
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:41:23 3d85b3 No. 1573
>>1572 it's just the problem with liberals anymore, they go after people who agree with them 90% for not agreeing with them 100%.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:44:35 90c303 No. 1575
>>1573 Not even liberals, just everyone in these clusterfuck debates which tend to be multiple issues steamrolled into one.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:51:09 6da97a No. 1576
>>1568 I was thinking the same thing, when has anyone posted anything about negative about LGBT students?
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:53:12 3d85b3 No. 1578
I am just sick of the whole thing,
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 19:04:47 6da97a No. 1582
>>1578 I think when the LGBT students start pushing there shit on others there being just as obnoxious as those they think discriminate against them.
Be gay or lesbian, but don't shout it out to the world and shove it in peoples faces. I don't run around and say I love woman and rage at those who are indifferent to my POV.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 19:11:05 3d85b3 No. 1586
>>1582 exactly.
My point of sharing this story is that sometimes they like to go after people who really dont deserve it. The area we live in is extremely accepting compared to other parts of the country.
As a result the standards for being a homophobe are much lower, hence why they think this board is run by a bunch of people who despise gay people.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 19:40:38 a2a657 No. 1587
>>1586 There's two kinds of LGBT+ people in the world:
1. People who are LGBT+ and either don't go on about it or politely inform you about it sometime and whatever, you don't care, you're not a fucking bigot, it's cool man, I'll judge you based on your actions not on your identity.
2. People who are LGBT+ and LOUDLY EXCLAIM AT EVERY TURN how they are CONSTANTLY ATTACKED AND HARASSED and need SPECIAL TREATMENT and THERE AREN'T ENOUGH BATHROOMS FOR THEM and I'M BEING OFFENDED and adlpf;kjasdklfhoiwehfoihawfiehoi *ten paragraphs of tumblr rant*
I really like people in the first camp a lot.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 20:23:52 efdc30 No. 1588
To be honest, all the most 'bigoted' people I have met at this school in my four years here have been transgender or really left wing SJW types.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 22:27:09 ba4a30 No. 1591
>>1572 That's hilarious.
>>1578 While branding you a homophobe is obviously too far, what's obscene about people kissing?
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 22:26:37 90c303 No. 1592
>>1550 Y'know, posting someone's personal tumblr is probably in bad taste as well.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 22:40:39 f9555f No. 1593
>>1550 Seriously, the restroom says ALL gender bathroom.
It's like some of these people believe that all genders are equal, but some (non-cis) genders are more equal than others.
They don't want people to make assumptions about them but this minority makes all the assumptions in the world about other people, ruining things for everyone.
Personally, I would LOVE more private bathrooms. It would solve all of these dumb problems.
On time, people should take as long as they need to. No more, no less. They should NOT be judged for it.
If someone is in the bathroom when you get there you DO NOT assume they have been there for a while, they could have just gotten there. You DO NOT knock on the door over and over again. (There could be a teacher or professional in there, then you'd look like an idiot)
Just like everybody else, if the bathroom you are most comfortable with is full you go to the one you are the second most comfortable with or you wait.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 23:28:28 a2a657 No. 1595
>>1593 Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about private bathrooms?
I mean, maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm a socially retarded dude who is shit at talking to girls/people I don't know well, but like, come the fuck on. When I need to piss and/or shit, I go to the room where I'm allowed to piss and/or shit, piss and/or shit, wash my hands (important!), and then go back about my business. Occasionally I will sometimes stop into the bathroom just to wash my hands, or otherwise use the sink and/or paper towels.
I don't consider my time in the bathroom as a part of my life that needs catering to, or like, improvement. The DigiPen bathrooms are clean, totally functional (except for the paper towel machines sometimes); what else could I want out of bathrooms?
I'm really not getting the whole "I wish there were more private bathrooms" thing. If a woman (or trans person or fucking whatever, anyone at all) was in the bathroom at the same time as me, I wouldn't feel ashamed or anything. This is the room where you piss and/or shit. I see you've come to piss and/or shit here, as have I. Let's fucking get on with it then.
I really don't get people.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 23:35:14 5cedc4 No. 1596
>>1595 Maybe that's because you don't have crippling dysphoria related to going in the wrong-gendered bathroom.
I guess you and the rest of the people in this thread aren't aware that people literally have been beat up for either not passing well enough in the bathroom of their gender or coming under scrutiny when they use the other bathroom. Some people don't identify as either gender and feel most comfortable using family bathrooms or gender-neutral bathrooms.
Literally no one except the people on this thread are flipping shit about the gender neutral bathroom for absurd reasons. No one cares if you're cis and use the bathroom as long as we aren't sitting there waiting for twenty minutes while you jerk off, read a book or do your makeup. People have already fessed up to using the bathroom for sex instead of just going home and doing it there. Frustrations due to the bathroom being used for extraneous amounts of time aren't just coming out of thin air because """"those damn SJW's""" just love to make up problems!!!
Also hate to break it to y'all but the entertainment industry is full of queers who would find nothing "bigoted" about anything posted in OP (and if they did there'd be no reason for the person who wrote those posts to want to work there).
In summation you are the people making a mountain out of a molehill, it's you.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 23:50:17 a2a657 No. 1599
>>1596 Me? I think this whole thread is fucking retarded. If people have problems shitting in places where there's other people and want their own bathrooms, okay fine whatever. If they want to come in the bathroom I use, okay fine whatever. I don't care. Whatever floats their boat.
But you surely have to agree with what I said up there in
>>1587 (You), right? There are some LGBT+ people who aren't total assholes, and there's some who are. My friend works at a grocery store and just told me a story a few weeks ago about a transitioning (is that the right word?) person who was like, having a meltdown, going on and on about how like everyone was out to get her, or whatever, in front of the time clock, and according to my friend, neither him nor the rest of the staff were doing or saying anything to cause it. There was no catalyst to the meltdown, they were just having one because of their own internal issues.
This is the problem that I and many other people have with SOME people who are LGBT+. One of my closest friends is asexual, and at least two others are in other parts of the LGBT+ spectrum. There is nothing wrong with any of that. But my friends aren't fucking assholes, they don't cry and go on about how special they are or about how they need special treatment. They inform you of their situation, you say "that's cool man", and life goes on. Like
>>1586 said,
>The area we live in is extremely accepting compared to other parts of the country. Maybe there really is a ton of prejudice going on where I'm not seeing it, but all I've seen at this school is a bunch of people saying "HEY GUISE, THESE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE TOO OKAY???????" And everyone just going "yeah, of course they are, Jesus, shut up."
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 23:55:31 a2a657 No. 1600
>>1596 >I guess you and the rest of the people in this thread aren't aware that people literally have been beat up for either not passing well enough in the bathroom of their gender or coming under scrutiny when they use the other bathroom Also I guess you aren't aware that black people were literally once enslaved in this country. Equally relevant as far as being LGBT+ at DigiPen is concerned, unless there was some extreme LGBT+-bullying that I haven't heard about.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 23:58:24 5cedc4 No. 1601
>>1596 > No one cares if you're cis and use the bathroom as long as we aren't sitting there waiting for twenty minutes while you jerk off, read a book or do your makeup. Except that's not true.
>At the career fair, idling near the ASC. >Professional at the career fair walks out of the bathroom, other person waiting walks in. >1 minute later a third person comes up to the door and starts banging on it, I mean really knocking hard, shaking the handle, and throwing a fit. >Person in the bathroom stays silent, just taking it doing their business. >Person nearby says: "Hey come on, calm down and wait your turn." >Knocking person says: "Well sometimes people take a long time in there…" >Person nearby: "They literally just walked in there like 2 minutes ago." The person knocking was doing the exact same thing to others that they didn't want happening to them. Being an asshole to others because of baseless assumptions.
There is no evidence that that would happen here at Digipen. There have been no occurrences of violent crimes or thefts at Digipen, EVER.
If that does happen, then what matters is that the crime gets punished. People are innocent before they are guilty.
Moral of Story: Don't treat others differently based on baseless assumptions and don't be an asshole. No matter who your are.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:01:50 a2a657 No. 1602
>>1601 >Moral of Story: Don't treat others differently based on baseless assumptions and don't be an asshole. No matter who your are. Every single "social justice" issue could be solved if everyone just followed this simple moral guideline.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:03:05 5cedc4 No. 1603
>>1599 I'll agree that some people are assholes and some people aren't because that's just common knowledge. Someone being spoken about being LGBT or being upset about something that may seem inconsequential to you or others (like being misgendered) does not make them an asshole and them being an asshole has nothing to do with them being LGBT, I don't know why people make such a correlation when their LGBT status has nothing to do with whether or not they're an asshole. Like it or not making such a correlation does make you come across as bigoted even if that may not be your intention. Saying shit like "well these LGBT people are okay, but these ones are too loud and whiny, I don't like THESE kinds of LGBT's" makes you come off as bigoted. If you don't want to come off as bigoted, don't make those kinds of distinctions because you think people are being too outspoken and unruly for your tastes.
I don't really know about your friend's story but I can say as a transgender person that what you and others really don't realize is that a lot of these "small things" pile up and cause these outpourings of frustration. I don't know the person in OP but the fact of the matter is that was their personal blog, not an art blog, not a portfolio blog, a blog they may choose to rant on sometimes (I'm willing to bet not all of their entries are just rants), and I DO know other people on the LGBT spectrum at this school; we as a whole have had to deal with more insensitive and hurtful behavior than you might be aware of.
>>1600 >>1601 I've known of two instances where transwomen in the BSGD degree have gotten harassed using the women's bathroom and many teachers have (sometimes intentionally) misgendered an LGBT student or treated them with disdain until they were reprimanded.
Not cool that that person was being impatient but people's impatience have nothing to do with whether they're LGBT or not, so I don't see why such a correlation is being made here.
Yeah you and others should follow your own advice here because none of the complaints in this thread have anything to do with the perpetrators being LGBT and it says a lot about the people making these correlations that they care more about being called bigots than why certain people might prefer to use the gender-neutral restroom (sometimes NEED to use that restroom).
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:13:07 a2a657 No. 1606
>>1603 >Someone being spoken about being LGBT or being upset about something that may seem inconsequential to you or others (like being misgendered) does not make them an asshole and them being an asshole has nothing to do with them being LGBT, I don't know why people make such a correlation when their LGBT status has nothing to do with whether or not they're an asshole. Like it or not making such a correlation does make you come across as bigoted even if that may not be your intention. Saying shit like "well these LGBT people are okay, but these ones are too loud and whiny, I don't like THESE kinds of LGBT's" makes you come off as bigoted. If you don't want to come off as bigoted, don't make those kinds of distinctions because you think people are being too outspoken and unruly for your tastes. Why is this a problem? If I say "I have no problem with Christians, but people who try to push Christianity on me (not being a Christian myself) are assholes", does that make me an asshole, or mean that I'm prejudicing against Christians in some form? No it fucking doesn't. I am allowed to pass judgement on individuals actions without generalizing about their entire group.
>Yeah you and others should follow your own advice here because none of the complaints in this thread have anything to do with the perpetrators being LGBT and it says a lot about the people making these correlations that they care more about being called bigots than why certain people might prefer to use the gender-neutral restroom (sometimes NEED to use that restroom). Again, see
>>1587 . You seem to think I'm a monster for identifying that many people under the LGBT+ umbrella want to shove it down everyone's throat, even those who were totally on their side to begin with. This is not me passing judgement on LGBT+ as a group; it is me passing judgement on a very noticeable part of it. It gives the entire group a bad name.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:16:08 5cedc4 No. 1607
>>1606 If you think anyone is shoving LGBT stuff down anyone's throat at school you must be going to a different school.
One unobtrusive sign in the gender neutral bathroom that someone actually tried to rip down.
One Pride week featuring events you don't have to attend.
A handful of people who might glare at you a little for using the bathroom too long who may or may not be LGBT.
Where in any of the above examples does the shoving-throat part happen?
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:20:20 5cedc4 No. 1608
This trend of assuming that anger and passion automatically equals people shoving opinions down your throat (I love how people are proclaiming the OP pic does this when it's on-get this- a PRIVATE BLOG that OP just screencapped and cherrypicked from) false flags/exaggeration/professional victim is a) based on absolutely nothing, b) boring, c) tired, please stop, everyone can see right through you
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:28:54 a2a657 No. 1609
>>1607 I've never had a problem with this at DigiPen. I've been mostly talking about you and others like you who overreact to shit, and like my friend's coworker I mentioned in
>>1595 . People like you seem unwilling to accept that hey man, I'm on your damn side, okay? And so is perhaps 98% of the student body. Mentioning shit like "hey, y'know, people have been
literally beaten up for this shit in other parts of the world, DID YOU KNOW THAT" is just completely useless and annoying. Yes I was aware of that. Yes I don't give a fuck, because I've done everything I can to treat everyone fairly and equally my whole adult life, and so has most of the student body!
>>1608 It's shit like
>#i love knowing i'm surrounded by bigots tbh (from OP's image)
The world is not out to get you, at least not in this state, in this city, in this town. Maybe an errant asshole here or there is, but hey, that's just life, man! You're not special. If this was Texas or some shit, I wouldn't be saying any of this; I'd probably be marching right there with you in parades to promote tolerance of peoples' differences. But the fact is, people
feed off of the idea of "I'm different, the world hates me, man I'm cool for sticking through it and rising above it." No, you're not! Not here in Redmond! Very nearly everyone shows nothing but incredible tolerance for you, so why make a big deal of it?
Basically, I hate it when
SOME LGBT+ people seem to want to strive for special treatment over just being one of several billion other people on the planet.
NOT ALL (inb4 transmisogyny [stupidest fucking word ever, why take "trans" {which can go MTF or FTM} and "misogyny" {meaning "prejudice against women} and combine them?]) LGBT+ people do, and in fact I'm sure most don't, but it's still frustrating to see it when it happens. I'm not special. I'm a normal as hell dude who happens to be fairly good at programming and UI design, but sucks in many other, personal departments. I don't ask for undue attention! I just want to be accepted as another person in a crowd. I don't want to draw attention to my shit. You shouldn't either.
Having an identity is fine; I have an identity myself. So does every other person on the planet.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:36:46 5cedc4 No. 1610
>>1607 >One unobtrusive sign in the gender neutral bathroom that someone actually tried to rip down. Or, you know, some accidently ripped it with their backpack while walking out.
But people are given school-funded rewards for attending.
There are some people who check the handle and wait silently like
a normal person. Then are are people from
>>1601 that claim that their asshole behavior is justified BECUASE of their gender identity giving them "needs". (Another actual quote).
Heck, some of the people who masturbate in there could potentially argue the same thing.
You know what I would support? The school building more private bathrooms for everyone.
You know what I would support? If the diversity clubs at this school actually TRIED to get people with different opinions to attend. If those people had the security to know that they won't be judged based solely on their opinions.
I don't support the circlejerk that is most of this school's diversity programs. Some of the members and even leaders I highly respect, but nowhere do I see them advertising that the are a "safe place" for people who think differently then them.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:37:03 5cedc4 No. 1611
>>1609 Oh boy. I can already tell this conversation is going to go nowhere so I'll leave it at this.
First of all transmisogyny is a thing, it's pretty disgusting to insinuate people just made up a word that's existed since the Stonewall riots to encompass violence aimed at transwomen (which includes the Trans Panic defense, something that's still on the books in most states) because they just feel like getting victim status. It is the epitome of entitled to bring up "transmisogyny" as a concept and respond to it with "you guys are just making yourselves victims and making up new words for no reason.
Second of all you don't get to give yourself ally status. You don't get to decide if you're treating people fairly or equally because despite yours and other's best intentions you might fuck up and hurt them, and in that situation the best solution is not to get defensive or bitch about how much they're complaining about your screwup, it's to express regret and apologize.
OP's pic is the end result of, like I said, a lot of little things piling up and ending in an outpouring of frustration. It's on a private blog. They are not going up and saying these things to you at school. I just said that not everyone here is tolerant.
This isn't about """special""" status this is about people who have been marginalized trying to explain to people like you that parts of their status come with inherent disadvantages and you poo-pooing their lived experiences and complaining about how they won't sit down and be quiet. That's what this is about, as much as you will cry and scream to the contrary.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:40:52 5cedc4 No. 1612
>>1610 Where in that post was that person's gender identity mentioned? Apparently all they said was "some people take too long" and then they stopped jiggling the handle.
And what school-funded rewards? What, like a dinky little dragon scale? Is that the hill you're going to die on? I wasn't even aware of any awards being offered but I'm sure they're barely an incentive.
Also maybe if it wasn't intentionally ripped they would have tried to, you know, fix it. I don't even know how it could be ripped by someone's backpack considering how it was taped on all sides and higher up from the floor than a backpack would be but keep reaching.
Also great, I want more bathrooms too. Write Melvin and Claude, or Raymond Yan. If people besides Prism members did any of this shit maybe they'd start funding shit that isn't another tv screen for the wall.
Last thing: PRISM members are planning to make an announcement the week they're giving speeches to encourage people to attend. What else do they have to do to encourage people with different opinions to attend? I'd love to hear your suggestions.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:47:47 a2a657 No. 1613
>>1611 Listen you fucking sack of shit,
>Second of all you don't get to give yourself ally status. I don't give a single flying fuck about what status you're giving me. I care about people, and I do whatever I can to treat people equally, as long as they're not being assholes. That doesn't make me an "ally" (of whatever movement you're a part of?)? I don't care. I've never cared about anything less. I have one life to live, and I'm going to spend it treating people equally and with respect, unless they personally have proven to me that they deserve less. I'm not perfect, but I aim to treat everyone equally until they show me with actions or words that they aren't deserving of my respect. Is there anything less that can be expected of me, as a human being?
This is another fucking thing I hate. You think that as being a part of the LGBT+ movement (or whatever you think it is in your mind), that you somehow have the power to have me kneel before you and kiss your feet while you choose whether or not to tap me on the head with your holy scepter and make me an "ally" of your movement or not. I'm glad that that vision gives you a feeling of empowerment, but please know that I couldn't care any less at all about your opinion of me, or whatever status you're phoning home to the LGBT+ Headquarters of Planet Earth to tell them about me, this guy, this anonymous poster on 8chan's /digipen/ board known only as a2a657. Jesus Christ. Take all that unwarranted self-importance and, I don't know, go make a video game or do something productive, instead of sitting here on a board and choosing who to knight as an Ally or not. Fuck man.
>>1612 >Last thing: PRISM members are planning to make an announcement the week they're giving speeches to encourage people to attend. What else do they have to do to encourage people with different opinions to attend? I'd love to hear your suggestions. Tell us about what we need to do to be considered Allies; dress code, proofs of what we've done for The Cause, –
You know what, I'm not even going to finish that angry rant. I'm just angry that I'm trying to be a tolerant individual, and that that isn't enough for you. Fuck off, you're not even worth my time.
I hope PRISM continues to go well and that any students who attend it who are having identity issues or are being bullied or discriminated against get help and that things are done to assist them. I also hope that PRISM reaches out to any students who may be having issues and 'aren't' already attending meetings such that they, too, can have their issues resolved. I truly mean that.
Not that that means anything coming from a non-Allied piece of human garbage like myself.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:53:11 5cedc4 No. 1614
>>1613 Okay last thing but
1) I could care less whether or not you're an ally, I don't care about you.
2) I tried to explain why people are calling you bigoted (hint: YOU may be treating people with tolerance but others don't, no one is telling you that you have control over those other people but when you don't even acknowledge shit is as bad as people are telling you that doesn't really make you come off as if you "care" about LGBT people)
3) You are not showing with your "actions" or "words" that you care about LGBT people, all you're doing is whining. "Me me me me, I'm tolerant, look how great and tolerant I am, why are LGBT people mean to me sometimes, why do they write mean things on their private blogs that has nothing to do with me? :c" Why take that shit personally (before you say you aren't; you are)? If it's not about you, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!
Peace out girl scout
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:57:09 5cedc4 No. 1615
>>1613 You are, without exception, the most hysterical professional victim in this thread so far. All this over some weird imaginary fantasy that LGBT people want you to kiss their feet? Leave your weird kinks at your tumblr blog, man.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:04:53 a2a657 No. 1616
>>1614 >1) I could care less whether or not you're an ally, I don't care about you. Oh, now you don't care enough about me to even tell me whether I'm an Ally or not? This makes me sad, all I was doing was seeking your approval, sempai :(
I'm not OP you idiot, I've yet to say anything about OP's image except that
>#i love knowing i'm surrounded by bigots tbh is a really stupid thing to write at all at while attending DigiPen Institute of Technology, in Redmond, Washington, in the United States of America. This is about as close to a tolerant society as you can find in the world. It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good.
I'm not parading my tolerance around, but this shows another amazing thing about people like you: we're either With You, or Against You. There is no middle ground. I can say I'm on your side, but don't entirely agree with your attitudes and all of your beliefs, and suddenly I'm Literally Hitler, I'm trying to drum up my tolerance because I want acceptance. I don't fucking want acceptance. In my mind, I'm a perfectly rational human being who is trying to interact with other human beings as best as I can, and you think that I somehow want your acceptance? Fuck no and fuck off.
>>1615 >You are, without exception, the most hysterical professional victim in this thread so far. All this over some weird imaginary fantasy that LGBT people want you to kiss their feet? Leave your weird kinks at your tumblr blog, man. Professional victim? Of what? The only thing I'm a victim of is unbridled vitriol by you.
I follow an SJW-type DigiPen student on tumblr because I respect her, despite me disagreeing with some of her SJW-type views, and boy am I ever glad that I'm pretty sure you are not her. You double-space your sentences, and, I just went and checked, she doesn't. I'm almost a bit sad though, because at least then I would've known who to avoid, both personally and professionally.
I hope you realize that at some point in your life all human life is equally important and that nobody is more special than anyone else, including you.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:10:51 5cedc4 No. 1617
>>1612 I know because I'm the same, same person outside the ASC, and know the person in question.
Dragon scales are like collecting achievements in a video game. They can be very powerful to a large selection of people.
In some ways you could argue that it's a good thing. But ultimately, you are correct, it's kind of meaningless.
On the rip, the real answer is we don't know.
I totally write to those people if there was some way to do it anonymously.
If they wan't to encourage people to attend, they need to say: "Please come attend and share your opinions and experiences, ESPECIALLY if they are different from what we normally hear. We will not judge you for your opinions."
Keep the speech that you make at the start of most meetings about how "none of the feelings leave the room and whatnot."
This might be a bit too much to ask, but I would like it if fallacies and anecdotes were properly labeled/called out in the discussions.
Also, the little signs around school aren't really helping. They can feel really passive-aggressive at times as they often treat the information of them as if it is "fact" and not opinion.
Finally, people need to know what talks are meant to be discussion focused and which ones are meant to be "educational". People like to share their opinions and experiences without the threat of being judged by anyone, people don't like to be told what to think by random videos on the internet. The threat of a "line" as to what can and cannot be discussed is terrifying as it implies that people who have negative experiences with the "pro-diversity" will have their opinions censored.
I know that people feeling this way may seem ridiculous, but it is how they feel. That is who many of them flock here.
>>1613 Dude, you need to calm down.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:11:28 a2a657 No. 1618
>>1615 >All this over some weird imaginary fantasy that LGBT people want you to kiss their feet? Leave your weird kinks at your tumblr blog, man. Also were you literally just shaming me for perceived kinks that I don't even have? Glad to see you're a super tolerant individual who doesn't stoop to base insults about personal preferences if it means being a superior asshole on the Internet
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:13:53 5cedc4 No. 1619
>>1609 >you don't get to give yourself ally status >>1614 > I could care less whether or not you're an ally gr8 deb8 skills m8
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:14:55 5cedc4 No. 1620
>>1613 Not her (him?) but I don't know what you're getting at here, explain?
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:15:44 5cedc4 No. 1621
>>1618 >>1615 is me, i wasn't the guy arguing
also learn to take a joke.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:16:33 a2a657 No. 1622
>>1621 Apologies, I'm only just now seeing that 5cedc4 is either a.) DigiPen or b.) one person with like three different personalities. Unique IDs are weird.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:17:51 5cedc4 No. 1623
It's digipen.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:17:52 a2a657 No. 1624
>>1620 About which thing(s)?
(Man, anonymous posting makes things difficult.)
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:19:54 5cedc4 No. 1625
>>1620 Those two things have nothing to do with each other.
Explaining ally status and caring about whether someone is an ally or not are pretty unrelated. I mean yeah they shouldn't have brought up whether the dude they were arguing with is an ally at all but it seemed to me like they were explaining a misconception about what being a "good ally" even means
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:21:20 90c303 No. 1626
Jesus Christ what happened to make this fucking awful thread? I just want a place to bitch about DigiPen, not about people who are offended by a tumblr being offended by people I don't know at the school.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:22:51 5cedc4 No. 1627
>>1626 People plucking shit from personal blogs not meant to be public (unlike facebook, public twitter posts etc) out of context always leads to this kind of shit
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:25:30 5cedc4 No. 1628
>>1616 >I don't care, look how little I don't care!! Be productive and do something else!! I don't parade my tolerance around!! >Continues to post large paragraphs about how tolerant they are
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:28:02 90c303 No. 1631
>>1627 Oh, it's a personal blog anyhow. I did not know that. This board can get pretty damn annoying when it gets more traffic.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:31:45 cdb3cb No. 1633
>>1626 idk, that sounds like exactly what OP was striving for.
>>1627 >>1631 Facebook is more private than tumblr. Facebook posts can't be read unless you are friends with the person (by default? I think?), but tumblr blogs are public by default. Assuming the blog in OP was public and not private, there's no harm done, right? Thinking that "personal" tumblr blogs are somehow sacred territory is ridiculous to me.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:34:16 72a03c No. 1635
>>1627 I don't think there's much context for claiming that we "talk a disproportionate amount of shit about queer students." That's just some crybaby being a fucking idiot and trying to make it sound like Digipen is a hateful place, when it's really just a bunch of passive, quiet nerds.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:36:21 90c303 No. 1636
>>1633 Facebook's posts are public by default lately. They changed their privacy settings yet again
My main gripe is that it could push us more towards attacking individuals like the whole "I'm the Facebook OP's TA and he's a piece of shit" type stuff yesterday(or the day before? Can't recall).
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:49:15 5cedc4 No. 1647
>>1636 I don't really have a problem with the posts but you do make a good point.
Nothing on here should ever lead to harassment of specific individuals in real life.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 06:02:07 b0e6cf No. 1659
>>1596 Bathrooms are divided by sex not gender.
Not that they should be. Almost all colleges have bathrooms where men and women use adjacent stalls, but for those that are is a sex division.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 07:24:46 3b05f4 No. 1660
>>1607 >>1610 >>1612 Are we really samefagging this hard now?
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 08:40:43 a2a657 No. 1668
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 15:13:10 3b05f4 No. 1675
>>1668 Or someone baiting. Which was my first assumption. No one is actually that retarded.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 19:41:30 90c303 No. 1678
>>1675 Could just be same location. I know my roommates and I all go to /DigiPen/ at various times of the day.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 01:53:18 75af26 No. 1698
>>1678 That must certainly be a wacky household to live in.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 07:19:54 90c303 No. 1703
>>1698 It's like fucking Mardi gras, but with only manboobs.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 16:54:11 52f456 No. 1708
>>1578 What the hell is obscene about two people kissing? You're a fucking retard.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 17:25:13 bc0516 No. 1709
>>1708 Yes my language was a bit strong, but putting pictures of people kissing next to graduation information and job opportunities Is pretty retarded. It was mainly the location. You also totally missed the point of the story.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 18:01:18 5cedc4 No. 1710
>>1709 People kiss in literally all kinds of advertisements. It could have been a flier for allergy medicine, or hell, the graduation itself, and using an image of people kissing wouldn't be a big surprise.
confirmed: you're kind of autistic.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 18:49:16 bc0516 No. 1712
Whatever you guys say, sorry if wanting society to have a little bit of decency makes me autistic.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 19:27:58 3a9232 No. 1713
>>1712 Today I learned that kissing is indecent.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 19:44:43 5cedc4 No. 1714
In a public place at a school, it kind of is.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 20:15:20 5cedc4 No. 1715
>>1714 Don't get your panties in a twist. It's only mildly infuriating if two people are making out and are in your way.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 20:28:45 5cedc4 No. 1716
>>1712 > little bit of decency I think you're confusing some concept of objective decency with "Something that I, in my infinite autism, am confused and angered by".
It's cool though. You'll get along fine with a full 50% of the students here.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 21:06:57 410f0d No. 1718
That's not even the point of the fucking story, however.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 21:43:31 5cedc4 No. 1719
>>1718 It kind of is - by describing the image of a gay couple as "obscene" he managed to bring on the wrath of his school's SJW's. So he inadvertently showed how a retarded comment can piss off people even when your intent isn't to offend.
Word choice fucking matters.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 21:46:31 5cedc4 No. 1720
>>1719 (Quick rephrasing since I'm on that subject - I'm saying that the dude with the high school story was retarded with his word choice, and managed to offend people. His sentiment is alright, that maybe a public high school bulletin board isn't the right place to have pictures of any couples kissing, but he was at fault because he wanted to try and be a snowflake with "progressive but not TOO progressive" views)
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 21:59:36 410f0d No. 1722
>>1720 Yes, this guy gets it.
Except I didn't need to try to hold slghtly less progressive views. I always been like that.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 22:02:41 5cedc4 No. 1723
>>1722 You only said it to be smugly superior to the club that put up the flyer. You could've just let it be and then nobody would've gotten offended and it would've just been a mild nuisance(if even that) for you during its short life on a high school bulletin board. You're just as much at fault as the person who overreacted to your comment, innocuous as it may have been.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 22:10:07 410f0d No. 1724
>>1723 what makes you think I said it purely for that reason?
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 02:29:15 a2a657 No. 1725
>>1724 Because projection.
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 07:10:53 90c303 No. 1732
>>1725 Or maybe the autistic DigiPenises all acted roughly the same in high school as they do here.
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 07:41:18 a2a657 No. 1733
>>1732 This is the worst fucking thread this board has ever seen, I can't even follow what we're talking about anymore.
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 16:41:04 50af39 No. 1736
It started out a decent discussion, then one person started nitpicking at high school guy's story. It sort of devolved from there
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 19:16:27 90c303 No. 1737
>>1736 It has always been a shitty discussion.
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 20:07:27 a2a657 No. 1741
>>1737 >coming from the one person who I've actually seen say "DigiPenises"
Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 22:22:51 5cedc4 No. 1742
>>1741 Fits the mediocrity of the thread, IMO.
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 08:13:31 75af26 No. 1758
>>1737 Well, we are talking about a fuckin' bathroom.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:32:34 7c8d20 No. 1838
>>1596 > literally have been beat up literally never happens, and you have assault laws in place
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 04:06:22 5cedc4 No. 1841
>>1838 Look up the Trans Panic Defense.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 04:56:08 90c303 No. 1843
>>1838 Are you fucking kidding me? Take an interest in some fucking current events, before you say something never happens.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 07:25:39 72a03c No. 1844
>>1841 Sounds fucking legit bro. Picture unrelated
>>1843 I was unaware that anyone at Digipen, trans, gay, or otherwise, has ever been in any sort of fight within a mile of school grounds. If I'm wrong, please let me know, but right now it sounds like Digipen is honestly one of the safest schools in the State. The worst we get is like, flash drive theft.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 12:11:15 77d99c No. 1845
>>1844 Dude, just shut the fuck up. It's not that you don't have merit to your points, it's that you're an asshole AND either don't understand shit or don't care to.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 20:29:25 5cedc4 No. 1846
>>1845 Not going to get involved but you don't win an argument by telling someone to shut up because you believe they are being a dick. ESPECIALLY if they make some valid points.
I know you may be angry, but by telling someone you disagree with to shut up you are literally being just as ignorant as you think they are being.
It doesn't matter what they said, what matters is whether or not what they said was correct.
If you really care about spreading awareness and understanding, please, never try and end a discussion by telling the other person to shut up again.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 20:47:32 abf9a0 No. 1847
>>1846 This isn't an argument. I'm not anyone from before. I'm just sick of hearing you and others being a jackass. This isn't a place where real discourse can be had, your previous post proves that. So when I tell you to shut the fuck up, it's not me having a reasoned argument with a person also having a reasoned argument.
It's me telling a person who feels like shit posting on 8chan to shut the fuck up because they're not willing to learn, at least not through this venue. If you want to actually learn about this shit and why what you're doing is destructive we can meet in person and I can set you up with very informed people you can have discussions with to learn.
Learning doesn't happen like this, or like how you're acting. So don't fucking pretend you're here being magnanimous about you're wanting to learn or have a reasoned discussion. If you were you (or whoever posted privously) wouldn't be a fucking dick by trying to shut down people fearful for many reasons by posting an image named "you're dumb" with a highlight of fucking Wikipedia.
So again, you can either continue to be a prick, or shut the fuck up and go and choose to learn. You don't have to agree with who you speak to or what they say, but it's better than what you're doing now.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 21:30:15 72a03c No. 1849
>>1845 I like how you admit that I have a point but then call me an asshole anyway, possibly because you can't think of any actual argument against what I'm saying.
I get trans people face different issues. But bitching that Digipen is a hostile environment, saying this board "talks shit" against trans people, and complaining that normal people use the corner bathroom is retarded. This is not the place where I'm going to have any patience for people playing the victim card. If they wanted their emotional rhetoric to be taken at face value they should have gone to tumblr.
>>1847 >I can set you up with very informed people you can have discussions with to learn. We come here to complain about our shitty school and to laugh at the ridiculous crap that happens. Not be lectured to by a bunch of pretentious social justice tryhards who think they know everything about everything.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 21:31:54 5cedc4 No. 1850
>>1847 I'm not who you think I am. 5cedc is Digipen.
The Cafeteria thread says otherwise. Many good things have come from that discussion.
It can if you let it happen. Yes this place is full of shit. But that shit is full of diamonds that make this place worth it.
Thinking that "people never learn from talking to other people on the internet" is an excuse to be an asshole and not be civil won't do anyone any good.
At least try and be the better person. You'll do better online, and in real life.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 21:35:58 77d99c No. 1851
>>1848
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 21:38:57 77d99c No. 1852
>>1850 You misunderstand me. I don't mean online or even on 8chan, I mean this thread, in the manner with which recent posts have occurred. But in all honesty a chan board isn't a good place of learning, as it was designed for this type of conversation. And particularly for subjects such as these, it can be important to speak directly to people in person as meanings are easier to convey.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 01:25:26 5cedc4 No. 1854
>>1851 ^this guy, this guy gets it.
OP's post is from the equivalent of a private journal. Tell me, has anyone experienced an embodiment of the SJW bogeyman that only exists in your heads coming up to you and lecturing you publically about feeling threatened? Every time I see someone complaining about people playing a so-called "victim card" it's often over a private post or some obviously fake story about "cisophobia" or some other stupid bullshit. Curb your obsession with this fake idea of "Evil SJW's" for five fucking seconds and get some fucking perspective.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 01:56:26 5cedc4 No. 1855
>>1854 I've actually had that experience here, but the person who ran at me with the victim card wasn't someone I interact with regularly, so I don't really care.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 01:58:55 5cedc4 No. 1856
>>1854 Actually in high school I was called out on saying "fucking faeries" when I was referring to the race in DnD. Specifically how their natural bonuses are overpowered for player characters. The head of our LGBT group was sitting near me in math and started ranting about how that word was offensive and I should feel bad.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 02:21:51 5cedc4 No. 1858
>>1856 >Okay, so a misunderstanding that has nothing to do with someone being LGBT but more about someone with a wild hair up their ass? That happened in high school, where most people have a wild hair up their ass? Move along. It really just makes me think a lot of people on this board have either really thin skin or are continuously just jumping at the chance to complain about "SJW's when most of the situations they describe don't sound indicative of an entire group of people as much as they sound like one person having a shitty day one time in high school or something. I don't know, it's kind of baffling to me.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 02:22:28 5cedc4 No. 1859
Sorry, wasn't quoting anyone there but the posting got a little screwy.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 02:46:22 5cedc4 No. 1860
>>1858 1856 here. I personally know people who are members of the LGBT community who are really friendly and genuinely fun to be around. I also know people who perceive even the slightest thing as persecution (that one particular person among them). I gave one example of an incident but it was hardly the first or last time they acted that way.
The core issue is that the entire notion of Social Justice Warriors is problematic even in the name alone. The fact they are "warriors" implies that their role in a situation is to fight, presumably oppression or something similar. However there are situations, like the one I outlined, where one person takes things out of context or takes an offhand comment much more seriously and if that person is a SJW they will usually "fight" back against that person or their comments. To make things worse the majority of people find the whole attitude of "most people on the spectrum have to deal with much worse shit" grating when it is used as a blanket reason to disregard any situation where a self-proclaimed SJW jumps the gun.
Yes, people's lives suck and we should do things to respect other people's choices and we should respect that, but being aggressive and combatant about things (such as glaring at people who use that bathroom rules aside), does not make other people inclined to feel good about you. By all means, fight injustices where they actually exist, be they oppression of sexuality, racism or classism, don't pick fights over stupid things and if someone IS abusing something like that bathroom or another privilege then bring it up to the people with the power to do something about that (IE administration, I'm sure our draconian regime can put a lock on the door that needs a special keycard or something).
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 02:48:07 5cedc4 No. 1861
>>1860 not the guy you were speaking to but the term "Social Justice Warriors" isn't even self-imposed, it was meant as a perjorative and reclaimed.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 06:35:37 72a03c No. 1863
>>1854 Actually yeah I have, it was one of the most obnoxious things I've ever had to listen to and honestly dealing with that person was one of the reasons I have less of a tolerance for sensitive, emotional immature children.
>>1851 If they don't want someone like me laughing at them, they can either ignore me or stop putting forth stupid arguments under the guise of "educating the privileged" or whatever it is they think they're doing. I don't care if I come off like an asshole, deal with it. I think you sound like an asshole too, yet I don't dismiss your opinion on that basis. Welcome to the real world: people will disagree with you, and some people will be blunt or crass. Suck it up.
If someone wants me to stop making fun of their stupid paranoid arguments, they should stop making those statements in the first place. I'm not going to give them special treatment because they had a sex change or some shit.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 07:06:29 77d99c No. 1864
>>1863 That's because I am an asshole. I don't pretend to be something I'm not. The problem is that you're just being an ignorant fuck for the sake of it.
Like wow it's so fucking surprising that people who deal with the likes of you and others are paranoid and sad about their lives. This isn't about disagreeing with opinions its about how you and others are dismissing their fears without understanding or caring where they come from.
Again, this started because someone felt a group they belong to was attacked on this board, unsurprisingly they retaliated on tumblr or whatever. Then this board attacked back. And then a bunch of ignorant things were said mostly on your side, but on the other side to, and we're 80 or so posts into fucking stupidity.
So when you shut down an argument of fear, with one of ignorance and without empathy, yeah, you're a fucking asshole. You're not winning arguments here dude, you're just making people hate their lives and fear the people next to them more because you don't know how to discuss people's problems like an adult.
The real world? Dude, get fucking real.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 08:24:35 72a03c No. 1868
>>1864 >Like wow it's so fucking surprising that people who deal with the likes of you and others are paranoid and sad about their lives. If someone is afraid for their life because of shitposts on a message board, I'm not the one who needs to "get fucking real."
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 09:33:00 77d99c No. 1871
>>1868 This board isn't 4chan. The people posting it typically go to the same building you do 5-7 days a week. So yeah, when you're shit posting and being huge assholes, people can become paranoid and sad. And that's on top of the shit they're already going through because of school and whatever else.
Don't be fucking dense.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 09:46:17 72a03c No. 1872
>>1871 >Implying nobody else has to deal with the same stresses and workloads >Implying it's healthy and normal to be paranoid over internet posts Feel free to post whatever you want about gender and bathrooms and stuff, but there's no way you're going to tone police me into not making fun of unsupported claims that this board or Digipen in general is transphobic, or that we beat up trans people in the bathrooms. I really don't care if you complain about cis people, that's your right as an American, but I WILL laugh in your face about your attempts to stir up drama where there is none, and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 10:00:29 a2a657 No. 1873
>>1871 For your entire life up until this point, and for the rest of your life after this, you will be surrounded by people who dislike you for literally no reason. Maybe they don't like your face, or your hair, or attitude, or your voice, or your skin color, or your sex, or whatever. Maybe they're just having a bad day and want someone to hate because it makes their life easier.
You have to fucking live with this shit. This is called being a fucking adult in an adult world. If someone somewhere writes a post about how trans people are literally Nazis, guess what? You might walk by that person tomorrow on the street. Or you might not. You never know! It's the real world and there are myriad opinions and viewpoints out there.
Board Owner has said time and again that they will not tone-police this board, and that doesn't mean that you should try to in their stead. Not only because it's a dickhole of a thing to do, but also because it's literally futile. It's an anonymous fucking message board. Some people are not going to have the same view as you when they post here, and they are going to be quite vocal about it.
Nobody's attacking anyone at DigiPen about anything related to sex, gender, race, or identity. Some people may have problems with you or others because of their own opinions and shit, and yes, I agree that they are wrong and I wish that they would see that people are people regardless of their identity. But you can't change other people, and being offended that people think that way
even though they don't act out on it is just being incredibly immature and downright silly.
Also I don't know if it was you but a few posts up someone did the thing where they talk about /digipen/ as if it were a single entity. Could that person please read
http://8ch.net/personhood.html as soon as possible, thank you.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 10:48:40 77d99c No. 1874
>>1872 And I will continue to inform you that you're a goddamned idiot asshole who clearly doesn't understand how perception works. I'm certainly not claiming DigiPen is transphobic or that people are being beat up in the bathrooms, and I don't think anyone has claimed that about DigiPen, but I'm not reading 80 posts again, I do claim this board is tone-deaf when it come to the fears of trans and others.
>>1873 Being an adult means a lot of things, and some of it is having to deal with people not liking you because they feel like it. Another part of being an adult is trying to learn to be a better goddamned person, on your own time now, or at least it should be. That's certainly what I've been trying to do since I've been out of high school, and it's been a number of years,and I'm still an asshole, but I think I'm an asshole in the right ways, to the right people. Most of the time.
And yeah on an anonymous message board, you can't police, no shit, but I can sit here and tell people they're dumb and assholes and explain why, and I can hope that at least a few will shut the fuck up. Maybe one of them actually will talk with someone and learn about this shit. I'm not asking anyone to tryhard and become an SJW or some shit, but empathy is important in the real world being spoken of, and if we can tone down the vitriol a bit, even anonymously, that'd be great.
Board owner can do what he wants, I don't give a fuck beyond following his rules. I'm assuming the personhood comment is directed at me, and I'm going to state that I don't think this board is one person, but don't pretend that there isn't a general overarching meta to the board. Don't pretend that people don't see trends in the posts of the board and then form perceptions around it. Because that's silly and it's probably the whole reason 8chan was formed in the first place. Don't act like you don't understand me when I say things like "And the board does trash talk trans people". Clearly we're talking about anonymous members on the board that are significant in numbers to the point where we are having this inane conversation. I'm assuming that I don't have to spell things like that out when I'm on the goddamned board in question, but I guess I assume too much.
Also, people can and do change all the time. And you can change other people. But they have to want it. And if they're posting on a message board, they are acting on those opinions. They're trying to make other people see their point of view. That's not insignificant, and I'd hope that they're willing to listen to all sides to inform them and change according to their previous and new knowledge. The problem is so often on this board, although mostly in this and the other threads concerning this sort of thing, that no one bothers to try to listen or have meaningful discussion. It's just a bunch of dumb shit on BOTH SIDES.
I mean shit, the motherfucker above you thinks that this thread hasn't caused any drama, this dude is hysterical.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 12:19:27 a2a657 No. 1875
>>1874 Do me a quick favor.
This board is archived on
http://8archive.moe/digipen/ Go through and find every anti-trans post on there. I'm pretty sure every single one is in the early-on thread about the bathrooms. And maybe there's one or two in this thread, I can't remember.
It's definitely no more than a dozen or so, out of 1875 total posts as of this one. And yet
>Clearly we're talking about anonymous members on the board that are significant in numbers to the point where we are having this inane conversation. This is the exact point that me and others are trying to make. You're too busy shouting about how everyone's horrible and there's all this misjustice going around but if you fucking look at the goddamn numbers, nearly everyone agrees with your opinion! Yet you're so entrenched in your crusade for Justice and Improving Other People that you literally haven't noticed that there has been an entirely negligible amount of trans-bashing on this board since its inception!
This goes back to the point that myself and others were making time and again in this thread and that you and others felt the need to ignore completely:
- Yes, many (if not most) trans people find it awkward to fit into society.
- Yes, sometimes other people aren't as accepting of trans people as they could be.
- Yes, on occasion, such bigots commit acts of violence against trans people.
BUT!!!
- DigiPen is a pretty fucking safe space as far as trans acceptance goes.
- The worst thing you can say about the DigiPen student body is that many people are young and perhaps many haven't had exposure to trans issues and that yes, informing the ignorant could be useful.
- As far as the public record (and even every private record thus far!) goes, there has yet to be a single act of violence (of any magnitude!) toward a trans person at DigiPen.
AND ALSO!!!
- Pretty much everyone who you're arguing with actually agrees with your morals, they're just telling you to calm the fuck down.
- /digipen/ is probably the most civil imageboard I've ever seen (minimal random use of faggot, nigger, etc.) (inb4 increase in the use of both)
- Trying to win arguments or sway opinions on an imageboard is nearly impossible and an utterly worthless endeavor.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 12:24:01 845a92 No. 1876
>>1874 You talk about a less vitriolic board and an exchange of opinions while name-calling and telling people to shut up. You are dumb and an asshole. And not "an asshole in the right way". You will never convince anyone by being an asshole, and even if you are on the right "side" of things, it does not give you justification to be an asshole to other people just because they don't share your perspective.
trans* people, shitlord
Also you are insufferable.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 16:16:30 5cedc4 No. 1877
>>1876 Actually the trans asterick hasn't been used in a while as it was considered othering to agendered/genderqueer/etc people. Just trans is fine.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 16:45:27 5cedc4 No. 1879
>>1874 > but I can sit here and tell people they're dumb and assholes and explain why But that's significantly less meaningful when you're objectively in the wrong. At that point you just become a rambling idiot.
>>1877 >pic related >>1877
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 17:24:04 fa4970 No. 1880
A fine example as to why people see Trans SJW as petty complainers. Please find something worth time to complain about besides grammar related issues regarding your chosen sexual preference. Especially at a place where no one has issue with you, Accept you are in a good place and drop the persecution act toward your fellow students
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 22:07:35 72a03c No. 1886
>>1874 CRYBABY ALERT!
BWOOP! BWOOP! BWOOP!
WEE WOO WEE WOO!
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 23:45:11 5cedc4 No. 1887
Hey guys, the panel on transitioning is going on in Hokusai right now. Drop in, you might learn a thing or two.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:07:14 5cedc4 No. 1889
>>1888 I don't see what warranted this hostile response, haha. Earlier on in the thread people were expressing a desire to discuss trans and LGBT issues in a nonjudgmental environment, but I don't see many people putting their money where their mouth is and coming in to learn something.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:08:42 5cedc4 No. 1891
>>1880 That wasn't a complaint though, that was a polite correction. Why so mad?
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:13:56 72a03c No. 1892
>>1887 Oh man, spending an hour of my own time being lectured to about my cis priviledge?! That's a once in a lifetime opportunity, I'll be right over!
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:18:24 5cedc4 No. 1893
>>1892 If that (completely wrong) assumption tucks you into bed at night, that's 100% your prerogative even though it's absolutely not based in reality, because I'm sitting right here and no one has even brought up the term 'cis privilege'.
Stay rustled though, you're not worth wasting time on.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:21:21 5cedc4 No. 1894
>>1892 >Makes shitty assumptions about the trans panel >"Why are trans people such petty complainers, they're oppressing me with their 'grammar-related issues' wahhh ;_;"
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:22:14 72a03c No. 1895
>>1893 I'm sure you're having a swell time in your hug-zone, but you do realize that posting a "you might learn a thing or two" sounds pretentious as shit right after people have been slinging passive aggressive shit back and forth right?
If whoever posted that actually meant it with good intentions and not just as the snide "EDUCATE YOURSELF" comments that are so common, then great, thanks (and I don't mean that sarcastically). But I pass.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:25:55 5cedc4 No. 1896
>>1895 Yeah, it was meant genuinely. I don't know what meme-happy dude's problem is but earlier in the thread people were saying they'd like to come down to learn more about the issue, so it's sort of disappointing to have such a small turnout now.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:44:26 61b751 No. 1897
>>1896 Well transexualism is like, 1/500 people right? You're looking at what? Maybe 3 people in the whole school?
If your concern was genuine, why not post some cliff notes.
I'm sure being transexual is as hard as being a part of any other minority, but you do see that most of the time, the only interaction people have in regards to the subject of transexualism is getting bitched at about using a nice bathroom, right?
You can't ignore the context in which your peers see this stuff.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:53:06 72a03c No. 1898
>>1896 Sorry for the snarky response, then. I've been told the "you might learn a thing or two" in really pompous tones before so it's difficult to tell, through text, how it's meant. I honestly think a lot of people that would be interested in the issue are just fuckin busy as hell, what with finals and shit especially. Just because not many people turn out doesn't mean they aren't interested or persuing knowledge on their own time.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 00:55:23 5cedc4 No. 1899
>>1897 Actually, some older transfolks were brought in from outside the school to talk, bring some more perspective to the conversations.
A lot of it was about personal experiences. People went through how their transitions went, what the most positive experience about it was, what the most negative one was. Lots of people went over harassment they've faced from their parents or sometimes people within the school (yes, it does happen-maybe not a whole lot and maybe from well-intentioned people but it does happen). People went over how better representation for trans people in games and other forms of media would seriously help educate people and help transgender people become more accepted, since up until very recently most trans characters have been either negatively portrayed or portrayed as a joke. Even the ones that do exist are often portrayed by cis people or enter into the "tragic gays" trope, so yeah, in general, everyone agreed more stories about people living happily post-transition or as genderqueer would be cool and help a lot. Fortunately games are getting more diverse, so this medium in specific could really be at the forefront of that.
I'd be happy to answer any general questions in this thread.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 01:01:16 72a03c No. 1900
>>1899 >Lots of people went over harassment they've faced… maybe from well-intentioned people but it does happen How is one harassed by someone who is well intentioned? Do you mean misgendering?
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 01:19:41 5cedc4 No. 1901
>>1900 Sorry, I should make a distinction between "harassed" and like, "accidentally making insensitive comments". What I mean is even well-intentioned people who are trying to educate themselves can ask insensitive stuff (like "how do you have sex", "you mean you're a boy? but you always dress so feminine/vice versa"), etc. Besides that, yeah, misgendering. Not just me but a lot of other people are consistently misgendered by people close to us and although we get that it's hard to correct yourself, after weeks and months of us being nice about it and politely correcting our friends/family with no change it starts to feel like they really don't care/aren't invested in making an active attempt to gender us correctly. It hurts, and that stuff that would otherwise not be a big deal or be benign build up, compounded when it's coming from people we're really close to.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 05:44:52 5cedc4 No. 1908
>>1901 Just thanking you for finally bringing a sensible voice to the table. Jesus fuck this needed one.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 07:43:15 61b751 No. 1910
>>1901 So you seem reasonable, but it doesn't seem like you really look at things from the other point of view.
For instance, I've got a lot of friends that probably qualify as a part of the lbgt community, but I do have a minor qualm here:
I don't like the term "SJW" but whatever, you know what I'm talking about. I feel like these people use terms like the one above -extremely- liberally.
People hear "insensitive" comments all the time. But it's par for the course. I don't see any group of people champion hurt feelings nearly as hard as a lot of those in the lbgt community.
For instance. "Misgendered"? I mean, what does that honestly even really mean? I mean, of course I understand that it means someone uses "She" as a pronoun when the subject wants them to use "He", but…
A)
>Is it really even a huge deal? I mean, people use genderless plural pronouns (like "they") to refer to one another all the time and no one complains. B)
>Can you really fault people for using language correctly? I mean "misgendering" is essentially trying to say that the burden of accommodation on literally -everyone- else they interact with.
As "She" and "He" are sex terms, it's literally saying "I was born a man, but instead of using the appropriate male terminology to refer to you, I feel like everyone should alter their social heuristics that work in 99.9% of all social situations simply because not doing so offends me".
Again. They can be perfectly fine people. I know several and are good friends with some of them. But god damn the "snowflake" variant of the transexual can just come off as so grating.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 08:28:50 c6ccd8 No. 1911
>>1910 >it doesn't seem like you really look at things from the other point of view. I find it strange that you say that considering I noted pretty extensively that most trans people acknowledge that it may take time for people to remember their personal pronouns
To answer your questions, yes, it is a huge deal. At best it's irritating, and at worst it contributes to dysphoria. Imagine if you had to remind everyone you meet what your name was and how you wanted to be referred to. The first few times it would be annoying but after weeks or months of this it would not only be grating but feel dehumanizing.
It's not just about being offended, to misgender someone is to basically deny someone the basic human right (and it is a basic human right) to be referred to as they choose. There's a difference between an accidental mistake, like I mentioned, and intentional misgendering because you're "used to" something else basically equals a lack of respect for a transgender individual.
No trans person wants to be referred to by their preferred pronouns because of some effort to police people. It's not about feely-good accommodation for funsies or to have control over other people's language, it's "being referred to as male makes me intensely uncomfortable". If you don't respect that, that's your (and other's) prerogative, but (and this is especially if someone trusts you enough to come out to you as trans and ask you to refer to them by their preferred pronouns) if you don't respect even this very basic thing or respect archaic/outdated/constantly evolving "language rules" more than someone's feelings, regardless of how you may justify it, you're a jerk and a bigot. Full stop.
Also, "she" and "he" are not sex terms, they are gender terms. "Female" and "male" are sex terms and with or without them, the biological reality is actually that both sex and gender are spectrums: I don't want to go into a whole lesson about the fact that there's a large amount of intersex people that exist in the population or that there's different chromosome combinations than just xx and xy, but that kind of stuff is worth looking into.
Last thing, but saying something like "they can be perfectly fine people" in regards to any group whether that be trans people, women, POC's…whatever, is kind of…terrible? Like really, replace "trans people" with "Jews" in regards to your last sentence and read that back.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 08:36:43 c6ccd8 No. 1912
>>1911 And before someone jumps on me for being an uptight SJW or whatever, I'm only answering as calmly as I can and with total, blunt honesty. I'm cool with giving "sensible" and reasonably levelheaded responses ofc (though I don't really like the implied division between me and 'less sensible' people) but I'm not going to sugarcoat stuff that's important to me.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 08:52:00 61b751 No. 1913
>>1911 > deny someone the basic human right (and it is a basic human right) to be referred to as they choose. Firstly, what? Where did you come to that conclusion? The very act of referencing a third party is by definition an action taken by the first party. You could just as easily say "It's a basic human right to use whatever term you want to classify a third party".
Heck, when was the last time you picked your own nick name? It's an aspect of language that utilized on behalf of the speaker, not the spoken to. Sure they can be malicious (like slurs), but when the intent behind them is not malicious, and merely meant to define or categorize, who's business is it but that of the speaker?
It's kind of similar to the notion that "Just because someone offends you bears absolutely no weight on whether or not that person should change their actions".
Also, I'm not sure where you got that "he" and "she" were gender terms.
she
pronoun
1.
used to refer to a woman, girl, or female animal previously mentioned or easily identified.
wom·an
noun
an adult human female
fe·male
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.
That's all pretty unambiguous, and clearly does not refer to gender.
That kinda goes into the idea of "sex as a spectrum", but a biology lesson isn't the point of this thread.
The only point I was making was that while a large portion of the lgbt community are perfectly cool individuals (much like any demographic) there is a subset that reliably making interacting with them more trouble than it's worth.
That is the snowflake demographic that get super pissy about every single comment or gesture in their presence that they can manufacture a justification to be offended by. That's certainly not isolated to that community. People like that exist everywhere. But all of the comments on this board that are either overtly, or implicitly, opposed to transexuals are, I'd wager, overwhelming geared towards those individuals.
If you're not one of them. If you're friends aren't one of them. Try not to get so fired up, friend.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 09:14:19 72a03c No. 1914
>>1913 Did you really have to go full on autism over this shit? It might be your right to call people whatever you want, but it's still pretty douchey to call people by the wrong name/gender. If I had a friend named "Alex" and I just called him "Allen" all the time, that would be pretty rude, no? Same shit. I doubt you'd enjoy being called by the wrong gender every day. If someone asks you politely to call them a girl or boy, who cares? It takes SO little effort to do it. If someone screams at you the moment you make a single mistake as to their name or gender then fuck'em, but your attitude of "Well who cares!" is kind of silly.
It's not like it's a chore to just say "she" instead of "he" for some people, you do that literally every day (assuming you talk to boys and girls). Stop pulling dictionary definitions out as if that makes you less spergy about the application of human language.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 09:31:38 c6ccd8 No. 1915
>>1913 Pulling basic dictionary definitions out doesn't really make sense in this context. If we were talking about the intricacies of carrots in the context of botany I wouldn't define a carrot just using the dictionary definition, I'd pull out a botanical journal. We're talking about LGBT issues, not biology 101.
And again, like I said, you can deem it none of your business if your words hurt people but don't be shocked if they get hurt and upset.
Lastly, I find it interesting that people who aren't POC or part of the LGBT spectrum can act entitled and whiny and yet they never seem to get called "special snowflakes" or put into some made up "snowflake demographic". I find that very interesting. And by 'interesting' I mean calling someone a "special snowflake" is just a really easy way for a lot of people to write off large amounts of marginalized groups as "playing the victim card" or "whiny and entitled" right off the bat. This isn't just an issue with you, it's an issue in general. Cut it any way you want but "SJW" or "special snowflake" are terms aimed at inherently vulnerable members of society who are perceived as overly emotional or whiny or whatever for talking about their problems. From my experience it is very easy for an unoffending individual keeping to themselves to be deemed a "special snowflake" for some arbitrary reason. There is no "snowflake demographic", that is not a thing you can quantify. So, as far as that part of the discussion goes, I can't really comment any further except those kinds of anti-SJ buzzwords are grounded in nothing and absolutely absurd to me.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 09:38:26 0c43d3 No. 1917
>>1914 >>defending the lgbt community >>using autism as a slur fuck the communities of people that I don't belong to, am I right? What you're doing is no better than using the word queer as a slur
It's people like you, specifically you, that hurt the reputation of the entire lgbt community. You are /that guy/.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 09:51:08 c6ccd8 No. 1918
>>1914 >>1917 ^
Yeah, I know it's "chan culture" and all but I'm both queer and autistic so I can't really agree with your point when you're arguing for one thing by knocking another.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 12:01:15 61b751 No. 1919
>>1915 Again, this isn't biology 101. However, we're not talking about lgbt issues in that context. We're talking about the literal definition of words in the english language. Any time a person gets mad at you for using a word correctly, that lends strong credence to the notion that they're over-reacting or "looking to play the victim". That's just the case. No one's feelings will make calling an apple an orange make any sense. Sorry if that bums some people out. It doesn't change who they are as a person (and they may be awesome). It's a pity some people let something so inconsequential bother them so much.
As for "snowflakes" being an easy write off. Sure. That's a possibility. But this is what I was trying to get at. Nothing in that post you just made addressed the possibility that maybe some of them -do- search out victim status. Maybe some -do- just shout about everything because they want attention.
If you write off either possibility, you're probably missing the mark somewhere, and I don't think it's too unreasonable to assume most people can tell the difference between people that are legitimately concerned with real issues, and those that are just snow flaking.
Have more faith in people.
>>1914 >full on autism >"using agreed upon definitions of words is an inappropriate approach to the english language" >picrelated Pot meet kettle, I suppose. Though I would argue the latter.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 15:11:24 39fb5e No. 1922
>>1914 That doesn't make any sense. Now if you said something like somebody's name was "Alexander" and prefers to be called "Alex" or "Allen" then it's completely acceptable. It's something that we're all used to and how we grew up to be ie someone's birth name and nickname. I don't know about you, but I grew up in more or less a ghetto, you know with gangs, drivebys, and hearing gunshots all the time. Where you'd get jumped, because you were another race, the same race, your shoes, you looked at a
nigga the wrong way, spoilered for your safety. There was no such thing as a transperson when I grew up, and it's just how it is. Trannies? Fags? Homosexuals? Sure, they were there. If you were any of that then you were jumped. Why? It was just the way it was where I grew up, but then again as I already said you'd get jumped for a lot of dumb things.
Where am I going with all that? It's how I grew up and what she and he means is precisely what the dictionary said it to be. I'm sorry that I'm not going to 'reeducate' myself to use your pronouns because that doesn't make any sense to me. I don't go around harassing you for who you are, but if you consider that harassment? Haha, get real. Do I judge you? Maybe, but I'm not autistic enough to have a fit about it or even bring it up to make you feel like shit. You have your personal life choice and I have my view on it.
As some Anon mentioned in this thread, stop making it a big deal that someone called you a she when you're a 'boy' now. You have it good in comparison to where I grew up. I've got jumped for dumber shit than this.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 19:01:58 a2a657 No. 1928
>>1911 >POC >>1915 >POC Using the term "POC" completely ruins any credibility I might've thought you had. Worst ever fucking invention of the SJW crowd.
If you're trying to make everyone equal and want everyone to treat everyone else as equals without biasing based on gender, sex, ethnicity, sexual orientation, upbringing, nationality, etc… why use an umbrella term for "non-white", making it clear that in your mind the two are divided?
I go out of my way constantly to refer to people as people, unless it is purely for visual identification. I will never refer to someone as a "black guy" unless someone needs to know who I'm talking about, in which case I use the term "black" like I would say "red-haired" or "has a nose piercing".
I believe strongly that this is the only way that we can build bridges between different types of people instead of coming up with new terms to "other" them. "POC" is fucking toxic and I hope it dies.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 19:09:18 a2a657 No. 1929
Also fucking I want someone to point out one time in the entire history of DigiPen that a trans person was referred to with the wrong pronouns, then they corrected the person, and then the person kept on using the wrong pronoun just to spite the trans person. I can't honestly believe that this has ever happened at this school, and if it has, well, then that was one errant asshole, and most definitely not the norm. The idea that people intentionally misgender people all the time is ridiculously absurd. Yeah, if you're trans, and you don't "look enough" like your preferred gender, yeah, it can suck when people unintentionally misgender you… but isn't that the case with androgynous people also? It's a shitty situation, but if I see someone who looks like a male, and I refer to them as a male, and oops, turns out that they were female, that's not my fucking fault, okay? Correct me and I'll be super embarrassed and apologize and hopefully not make the same mistake again, but fuck man, I'm not Literally Hitler for making a judgement using my eyes. It's literally what I was evolved to do.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 19:46:46 5cedc4 No. 1930
>>1922 Well if you're just going to bring up anecdotes in order to play the "who has it worse" Olympics I don't even see how this conversation is worth continuing. You asked some questions, they were answered honestly, you're not budging or even engaging, so just drop it.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 19:50:01 5cedc4 No. 1931
>>1928 >SJW crowd Yeah the feeling's mutual. I can see why some people might not like the term but the fact of the matter is people still AREN'T treated as equals in this country, racism still exists, etc…that's kind of why people still use the term. I find it amusing that you call it an "invention of the SJW crowd" though considering its origin is from the phrase "citizens of color", which was coined in like the 1960's by MLK to describe common racism. Maybe you should go back in time and complain to him.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 19:55:47 5cedc4 No. 1932
>>1929 All of this shit was addressed already. I literally already explained that it's not ACCIDENTAL MISGENDERING that is the issue and people aren't expecting you to magically know their preferred pronouns (that's why the polite thing to do is just ask if you're not sure). No one is calling you "literally Hitler" for making a judgement so relax. If someone gets mad at you that's on them, not you, again, unless this is someone who's repeatedly told you over and over again.
And as far as harassment or misgendering at Digipen the only time it's happened to me personally is with a teacher, who I was sure did it maliciously or just didn't give a shit (as I repeatedly corrected him outside of class) and a game team member who kept complaining how he didn't "get it" and bitching about "PC" culture so I gave up on him, as unpleasant as he was making the few game team meetings we had with him (he no longer goes to this school). So yeah, it doesn't happen
all the time and no one is trying to make the point that Digipen is a cesspool of transphobia, but it does happen, and the right response to someone bringing up one of the few occurrences of it happening or just saying "it happens" probably isn't to flip your shit and continuously deny that it does happen.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 20:00:07 5cedc4 No. 1933
>>1922 >Why is misgendering/harassment/transphobia such a big deal? >This is why. >Oh, well I don't feel like caring or learning because you didn't have it as bad as me and I grew up in the ghetto. Seriously, if this is the hill you're going to die on why should anyone waste their time explaining all this to you?
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 20:19:18 5cedc4 No. 1935
Going to calm down before I put this issue to bed, but last thing.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 20:51:57 a2a657 No. 1937
>>1931 I don't know my social justice history very well and I don't really care to, so I don't know if MLK meant "citizens of color" as in "colored (black) people" (I'm assuming he did) or "people of non-white skin color", but it doesn't fucking matter. To progress forwards we need to see all people as people and not as "white people" and "POCs". If you honestly are okay with using the term "POC" then I can't imagine any further rational discourse with you.
>>1932 People have been assholes to me at school for different things, too. They weren't issues with my identity, but people can be dicks! Nobody's denying that dicks exist in the world and that no matter where you go, you will probably find one or two, but this hardly seems like a systemic problem! I really don't understand why you think you need to be this paragon of justice, telling all the poor uneducated souls to educate themselves, when we've been respecting you from the start. If someone at some job somewhere is being racist to someone, the response should be punishment for the racist, not forcing the entire office to be lectured about what a travesty this is and how we all need to think more consciously about peoples' races, right?
The fact that you're responding in a hostile manner to me when I've said the whole time that I'm actually on your side and that I respect you for who you are makes me tend to think that you revel in being a victim. You revel in being special. This is not to say that your trans-ness isn't "genuine" or anything (I really don't mean offense by that at all); however, when pretty much everyone on this board is saying "yeah dude chill we're not disrespecting you at all it's fine" and your response is "STOP DISRESPECTING ME! EVERYONE ALWAYS DISRESPECTS ME! THE WORLD IS AGAINST ME! ONLY TWO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY DISRESPECTFUL TO ME BUT EVERYONE SHOULD EDUCATE THEMSELVES! GRAAAHHHH" it becomes increasingly difficult to respect you. Not for your identity, but because of your actions.
I think this is really the crux of the issue. In our generation, especially in Redmond, Washington, USA, most people are extremely tolerant of peoples' inherent differences (I'm including identities in "inherent differences", because, well, they are). This is pretty cool! We're working together towards a future where everyone can be accepted for who they are and treated equally and respectfully. However, being a rude asshole is not something that people can be expected to be tolerant of, and, more to the point, calling someone out on their actions IS NOT THE SAME THING AS attacking someone for any of their inherent qualities, such as their race or identity. If a black person treats me like an asshole and I tell him to fuck off and stop being an asshole and he calls me racist, that's fucking nonsense, right? It's the same thing for any other inherent quality a person has. Just because you're trans doesn't mean I can't call you out on being an asshole without being persecuted for being anti-trans. You don't get that special protection. I don't have it, and neither should you.
>>1935 >"Muh upbringing" is actually a pretty common rebuttal and this is exactly why, after a while, trans people don't feel like trying to educate (and I don't mean that in a belittling way I literally mean calmly explaining what it's like to be trans etc) people in a "reasonable" or "rational" way; because they've had several experiences where it feels like they're talking to a brick wall. This is a perfect example of why it's so frustrating. Are you literally saying that because some people are intolerant and this frustrates you, that you have the privilege to be an asshole to OTHER PEOPLE who ALREADY ACCEPT YOU ANYWAYS, all you want, because you're trans? Jesus Christ.
You're literally just sitting here in this thread, on your soapbox, telling everyone how wrong and dumb and insensitive they are, even though pretty much everyone in this thread (in fact I think everyone, but I could be wrong, it's fucking long at this point) has said that they themselves are 100% tolerant of trans people, because it makes you feel better to feel superior over everyone! I'm sure you have a lot of stress and anxiety about being trans and I can't even imagine how hard it would be (I mean this 100% genuinely), even if the world was 100% tolerant, it still seems like it would be difficult to deal with, but seriously, take a step back and realize that you're belittling and berating people who have never wronged you.
My heart goes out to you and to anyone at DigiPen having legitimate identity issues, like I said, I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone and I definitely super wouldn't wish it on anyone who already is a mental and emotional trainwreck because of the pressure cooker that is DigiPen.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 21:01:44 5cedc4 No. 1938
>>1937 I don't know if you're the same person who was bringing up dictionary definitions earlier or talking about how he lived in the ghetto or w/e but he was pretty much saying he refuses to "re-educate" himself (aka call people the pronouns they want to be called by) in order to "placate" other's feelings. I don't know what posts you've made or if you were the guy from way earlier in the thread who was literally blowing a gasket (and I'm not the same person you were arguing with up there) or what, but I like to think I haven't BEEN SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS AND HAVING A TANTRUM like you're describing me as doing. I'm not screaming, I'm not yelling, I'm not "going off" on people, I offered to answer people's questions. I've gotten slightly frustrated on one rando hanging on to dictionary definitions when multiple people are telling him they're not really relevant in this context and then bringing up factoids about his life that are totally relevant to the discussion but I haven't been telling people to educate themselves or whatever. You're the one pretty much writing off everything I say because I used the term "POC", dude. And now you're putting words in my mouth by the paragraph, so again, I don't see this conversation between specifically me and specifically you being constructive anytime soon.
And also, in case you missed it, at least one person just above these posts pretty much said they're intolerant of trans people. What do you think "I don't feel like re-educating myself" in regards to people's preferred pronouns means? "Intolerance" doesn't just mean obvious bigotry, it can also be shown through a refusal to gender people correctly.
Either way, I really don't feel like continuing this conversation if you're going to continue trying to squeeze me into your "wacky SJW" pigeonhole so you can disregard everything I say.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 21:02:22 5cedc4 No. 1939
>>1938 sorry, that's totally IRRELEVANT to the discussion.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 21:08:05 5cedc4 No. 1940
>>1937 That feel-good colorblind bullshit doesn't help when people have inherent disadvantages in society due to their orientation, race and ethnicity. If everyone in the world "saw people as people" we wouldn't have a fucking problem now would we, but that's not reality. You see people as people? Fucking awesome, but don't erase important parts of their identity because you think it will somehow help get rid of racism, that's not how reality works, and you're not really helping. If anything it shows you don't really know shit about knowing how to progress forwards.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 21:09:04 a2a657 No. 1941
>>1938 >I don't know if you're the same person who was bringing up dictionary definitions earlier or talking about how he lived in the ghetto or w/e Look at my poster ID, I've been posting from my apartment so the same ID is always me in this thread. You can click my ID and it'll highlight all the posts that only I have made. I can tell who you are even though you're posting from a place where multiple people post from (presumably DigiPen), because you double-space your sentences.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 21:13:18 5cedc4 No. 1942
>>1941 I scrolled up to see this other person you supposedly engaged with (just so you know, lots of people "double space" their sentences) and wow, I'm not going to be baited into a tremendously fruitless debate and contribute to shitting up the thread a second time.
I'll stick around in case anyone else wants to ask me questions but I'm not engaging with you any more, like I said.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 21:22:50 a2a657 No. 1943
>>1940 Wow okay I really don't understand what any of this means at all. My chosen path in life is not one of being a social justice advocate. I have, however, chosen to listen to LGBT friends and read about different issues LGBT people have and do my best to treat everyone equally, regardless of any inherent physical qualities.
Apparently this makes me a bad person?
I legitimately don't understand what this means, or why you said it. What part of what I said was this in response to? I'm not erasing anything as far as I know of.
And no, I'm not helping. I have not made it my mission in life to further LGBT peoples' rights. This does mean that I'm against them, it just means that this isn't where my interests lie. I also haven't made it my life mission to help with hunger in poor third-world countries, or to liberate North Korea, or a million other things that I could be doing with my life that would be good things to do. This does not make me a bad person.
Also, you didn't respond to the bottom half or so of
>>1937 , which was the important part. Well, you did, in your own way, I guess; you've shown me that indeed I was correct in thinking that you enjoy feeling superior to other people. You don't care that I treat you with respect, you'd rather think of me as The Enemy in your mind for one reason or another. You don't care that I ended the post with an honest, caring statement about how I really do feel sorry for you, because of the difficulties that you're undoubtedly going through (I mean this in a completely honest, genuine way, and not in a pitying way either; I'm legitimately feeling empathetic to your situation). You'd just rather keep thinking that I'm a bad person (which you've now proved again in
>>1942 ) than even possibly consider the fact that I've done nothing but treat you with respect. If I've ever run into you at school, I've respected you. If you dress "weird" or have your hair "weird", or whatever, because you're trans, I haven't done anything to wrong you in any way probably at all, but definitely because of you being trans.
But yet despite me doing what I can right now to tell you this, all you can say is shit like
>That feel-good colorblind bullshit doesn't help when people have inherent disadvantages in society due to their orientation, race and ethnicity. Great. So I'm doing my part, but that's not good enough. My life is not centered around you, or around trans people, or around people of any race or other physical or mental descriptor. My life centers around me right now, and I don't owe anyone else anything at all other than respect and equal treatment. But this isn't enough in your eyes for some reason.
I know cool trans people who are activists but never assholes about it. We could've been friends and I could've introduced you to them :(
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 21:27:12 a2a657 No. 1944
>>1943 I started a thought and didn't finish it; when I said
>If you dress "weird" or have your hair "weird", or whatever, because you're trans, I haven't done anything to wrong you in any way probably at all, but definitely because of you being trans. , I was going to say something about how I do what I can to not perceive "weird" as "wrong" but instead as "different" and to tolerate other people, so I didn't mean that in an offensive way.
But this doesn't matter because it won't help me gain ally status anyways.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 22:31:15 61b751 No. 1945
>>1938 > intolerant of trans people >"Intolerance" doesn't just mean obvious bigotry, it can also be shown through a refusal to gender people correctly You realize there is a spectrum of intolerance right? For instance, I like to sit in the middle of the row in lecture. What if that seat is already taken? And I ask them to move because it's my "preferred seat". Would they be considered "intolerant" for not moving?
Sure, they technically would be. They're not tolerating my requests or demands or however you want to phrase it. My point is, in this hyperbolic example, is that not tolerating people's requests isn't always on "you". It could be that their request isn't reasonable in the first place.
As for transexuals, the question comes down to: Is "asking 100% of the people you meet to change their incredibly reliable and ingrained social heuristics in order to misuse language" a reasonable request?
The outcome probably has very little effect either way, but you'd have a hard time making a common sense argument in favor of that stance.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 23:04:02 39fb5e No. 1951
>>1930 Asked what? That was my first post in this entire thread. Click on the ID and you can see who is posting what. Judging by 57 replies I can only assume that is the Digipen ID for this thread or you're shitposting nonstop which I sincerely doubt.
>>1933 Golden response. I state my view and get a reply of go kill yourself. I wasn't trying to pull the 'oh i grew up in a shitty place' card as the other person mentioned. I was simply saying that you have it nice. Nice as in people here aren't, at least from my public view, going around insulting you on a daily basis. You are making the assumption that everybody is. You are making the assumption that we all know that you're a 'girl'/'boy'. What happens if someone doesn't respect 'your' prounoun? You make a big fucking deal about it. I'm sorry that the English language definitions are that a boy is a young male and a girl is a young female. I'm sorry that I'm may call you the wrong version, but if I look at you and you look like a male/female? I'll call you as such. A lot of people here are tolerant of your lifestyle, but we're not all tolerant of the attitude some of you bring.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 23:10:18 5cedc4 No. 1952
>>1951 Not that guy, but that is the Digipen ID, and where did they tell you to kill yourself??
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 23:10:41 5cedc4 No. 1953
>>1951 I'm taking the bait here but wow. Self-obsessed and righteous much? You do realize that metaphor means that he/she/whatever the fuck is saying that you're stubborn, not "go kill yourself".
Also the more you fight this the less willing people are to listen to you. But don't let me stop you, that's your 'right' I'm sure.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 23:51:52 a2a657 No. 1954
>>1951 Also, protip: click "Options" in the upper-right corner of this page and enable "Color IDs". Bam, now that six-hex-digit ID is a hex color!
Also it shows that inside, we really are all People of Color.
Anonymous 04/16/15 (Thu) 01:40:18 72a03c No. 1957
>>1943 I just wanted to chime in and say that I've had similar arguments with people about how "treating everyone with equal respect" and rewarding people for their hard work instead of their troubled upbringing makes me a "part of the problem." It's usually just people who want to feel like they're morally superior, or ACTUALLY doing something to help, even though they themselves are usually bigoted and never contribute anything more to the issue than social media soapboxing.
People who think that a meritocracy is bad can suck my fucking balls. They just want the bar lowered for themselves.