/digipen/ - DigiPenitentiary

Better yet; why does DigiPen enroll more students each semester than it has teamspace room for? How have they not expanded to the building across the street or whatever?

Oh right, money.

My team could have gotten worse, I guess

Could you expalin in detail these percieved biases?

Take off your tinfoil hat you goddam nut

>>2667

>> why does DigiPen enroll more students each semester than it has teamspace room for?

This is the only question that matters. Not that it's really all that hard to answer, but that's the joke of it all…if they REALLY wanted to increase retention rates while maintaining quality graduates, they could raise their acceptance standards to weed out the people who don't take it seriously.

wait hold on guys

are you telling me success at digipen is directly proportional to the dick-sucking you do

what

stop

you're being ridiculous

Okay, my opinion since you all asked.

Digipen assigned team space, grats it aint hard since you have more teams than space. You did the best you could to make the most number of people as happy as possible, cool, like *you cant make everyone happy* so good work settling on something rather than just not assigning space at all. But why make a fuss about how much better this year is and how fair it's gonna be if it isnt. The teams that are clearly favorited and have connection to the faculty, got exactly what they wanted. And I know what they are going to say: "it was the only space that could fit us." Well let me tell you something, there are plenty of spaces that could fit you, and getting the exact spot you want is indicative of a biased system. It's a quick way to make an enemy im sure (I dont think any less of you, im just saying in general, but i will say my feelings were hurt, not that anyone cares). Listen favorites, take a slightly less optimal spot and let the best spots actually be random. Or better yet, use the biggest space for the smallest teams so that you make the most number of teams happy. IT will be glad to move mountains (and tables) for you im sure since you have whoever is building this team space layout doing the same.

Idk, I feel a little dicked over and the world isnt fair and children are starving in africa

TLDR: Claude, please open your door and look out at the students so we can snatch up enough money from the piles of gold coins pushing against your door to rent another goddamn building

Why the fuck are you surprised? No, seriously. If you had the connections and the favoritism on your side you'd probably fudge the results too. That said, it's bullshit and these idiots should try not to be so transparent about whose dick is being sucked.

Also, a moment of cringe for the freaks who used algorithm in casual conversation.

>>2682

I'm not piping up about these issues because I dropped the heck out, man! why the fuck would i pay tuition to go to a school where I have to fight to just make my degree program viable at all, that's literally what I was paying them money for.

>>2682

Just saying that bitching anonymously is a decent way to gauge how common your issue is. Making a big deal out of something that only you think isn't necessarily a good thing.

>>2683

Then why you still hating on the school my dude. You escaped this hellhole. Go on with your life and make some real games n shit.

(actually if your answer is student loans then that's pretty valid)

>>2685

idk it's almost like wasting two years of one's life, four semesters of tuition plus one summer class, gaining and losing a lot of friends really takes a financial, emotional, and mental toll on a person. it's almost like dropping out doesn't really undo any of that; if anything it's leaves them as an empty husk of a person who wonders whether they're really any good at programming and game design and even if they are, will they ever find a job in the industry without a degree.

but y'know, whatever.

>>2689

It's also almost like hanging onto the pain and frustration of all of those things by way of bitching about a school you don't even go to anymore is holding you back and causing crippling self-doubt. Almost. It's almost like that.

>>2691

Okay listen, fucker.

I don't know how you learned about DigiPen, or why you enrolled there. I know why I did. My friend in elementary school got me into RPG Maker '95 (yes, this was before the year 2000). I've been learning game development in one way or another ever since. One day, I was reading a Nintendo Power at that same friend's house, and I saw an ad for DigiPen, this magical college where you design and program video games. I knew I wanted to go there from that day.

That was about sixteen years ago.

Since then, I did everything I could to get good at programming, and I played every game I could get my hands on to understand game design.

In high school, I flew halfway across the country, twice, to attend ProjectFUN (back when they had you use the software called ProjectFUN, and back when they were in the NOA building). Focusing intensely on programming had alienated me from my high school friends who all wanted to be cool. Instead, I had friends on 64digits, a fucking Game Maker community website. Those four weeks at ProjectFUN across my freshman and sophomore years of high school were the greatest four weeks of my life. I got to do the things I wanted to do (program and design a video game) and for once, nobody was making me feel bad for it. I cannot emphasize how much of a shining beacon of hope those four weeks were in my shitty fucking high school life. I cannot express to you how DigiPen seemed to be this magical place where I was being taught shit I wanted to learn, and I was then allowed to use that knowledge to make cool stuff. I knew this was where I was totally going after high school.

But then some bullshit happened and I spent four years working retail after graduating high school. I submitted my application for DigiPen, and had to retake a math course at my local community college to get in. I aced it. DigiPen was finally in my grasp. I was going to the school of my dreams to finally, after all this time, actually start the real road to the career of my dreams.

I enrolled in the Bachelor of Science in Computer Science and Game Design degree program. It sounded perfect for me; I loved programming and I loved thinking about video game design.

My first year at DigiPen was awesome. I was far ahead of almost everyone else in terms of programming skill. At this point I'd made my own game engines in C# and other languages. It was great to finally learn C/C++ and I was super excited to learn how to make a game engine. I made many friends. I had a lot of fun. The game design classes were largely bullshit but I assumed it would get good later.

Then I realized nobody gave a fuck about my degree program. My CS classes assumed I wasn't working on GAT projects, and my GAT classes assumed I wasn't working on CS projects (except for fucking ActionScript or whatever the fuck it is the BAGDs are taught freshman year aside from how to raise your hand in GAT class every five seconds and talk about fucking Dark Souls).

Then I learned that you're never actually taught how to make a game engine (one of the primary reasons why I wanted to attend DigiPen). You're told to teach yourself. Awesome, that's what I was already doing. I didn't need to pay someone to tell me to do that, I'm not a fucking child. I'd been doing that for years.

Oh, and we were told to do team projects and we were never taught version control or like, agile development or whatever. More shit for us to teach ourselves in our spare time! In DigiPen's defense, they DID suggest that we investigate SVN. Yeah, they SUGGESTED that we INVESTIGATE fucking SVN. Good to see that the professors have been keeping up with the fucking times!

Then sophomore year came around and all the politics of which team is favored by the professors over which other team and which team gets which teamspace started becoming an important thing that I had to pay attention to. What the fuck? I just wanted to learn how to make games, and then make games. The CS classes continued to be great… except for the class taught by the son of the goddamn president of the fucking school. Holy shit I wanted to die that class was so bad. And I was paying money for it. And it was required to graduate.

The game design classes were about as good as the Comair class. More bullshit, more following the professor's instructions to the letter, more "I don't care how well your game is designed, if you don't talk about the Intensity Curve enough you're gonna get a 34% on this project you worked on for three weeks". In semester four, I finally reached the first video game design class where you actually got to make video games in the class. The class was basically useless. There was zero helpful information there. I made some cool games but I didn't learn a fucking thing.

This is when I had to make a decision: do I keep going? Looking back, the only valuable classes I took were the CS classes. The game design program was such a fucking joke. In my sophomore year, the incoming freshman were being taught a different (but equally useless) design methodology that Ellinger had cooked up. Cool, so even the minimal amount of nearly-useless bullshit that I DID retain from GAT120 was now ENTIRELY useless.

So I had to decide whether to stick it out for maybe three or four MORE years (because there was no way in FUCK I was going to have another semester of GAT and CS at the same time, when neither acknowledged my degree program, at all), or whether I should kill the dream and drop out.

I decided to drop out.

I feel like I made the correct decision.

But you FUCKERS who stay in DigiPen love to get SO fucking defensive about your bullshit school. You LOVE to say "hey man, it's not really that bad, okay", "hey, man, they're like, trying to fix the GD program, cut them some slack" "hey man, why are you so mad? like we get it, you're frustrated, but hey man, we all are, okay, so just like, chill out"

I spent OVER A DECADE working towards getting to DigiPen, just for it to turn out to a horrible experience. And it would be bad enough at that, but then you have FUCKERS like you who don't know me, don't know what I've been through to get here. You probably just fell into DigiPen because your parents are rich greater Seattle area tech industry employees. I worked my ass off to teach myself game design and programming… only to find that if I would've just kept doing that (while maybe attending community college to take a slightly lower-quality version of all the Mead classes I took), I would've been a million times better off than I am now.

But no, you think you have some FUCKING right to tell me to not bitch about your bullshit fucking scam of a school, on an 8chan board literally designed for exactly that purpose, when I'VE spent my entire young adult to adult life working towards finally getting to the school of my dreams, to begin actually working towards getting the career of my dreams, only to have them crushed by greedy, incompetent staff and brainwashed, idiotic students.

Fuck you, fuck DigiPen, and FUCK Claude Comair.

TL;DR eat a dick and die in a fire you sack of fucking shit, /digipen/ was made to bitch about DigiPen, and that's what I'm going to do, it's the least I deserve after wasting all this time, money, and emotional stress.

>>2692

sage

>>2692

copypasta?

To some degree there is a reason teams get preferential treatment.

Presumably the student council president and the lead producer do important shit that the faculty would otherwise have to do. Not that I would know. I don't give enough fucks to actually take the time to notice any of that.

If you look at teams like Atmos, no matter how utter crap I think Subray was, and Relic you see this mindblowing trend where they actually produce things that are noticed. And they aren't just noticed because someone decided to give a GAM professor a blowjob. I know. It's insane. It's almost like producing good work gets you better treatment.

Yea, my team didn't get the teamspace we wanted. I'm still going to use it because I have massive gaps between my classes. At least we didn't get Edison W or Tesla X.

>>2700

>Do stuff that benefits the faculty and get a better teamspace

>Do stuff that looks pretty and get a better teamspace

I don't like the preferential treatment, but it seems like they've "earned" it in some capacity.

>>2666

>>2674

>>2700

Having been in Tesla X and that table near the stairs in Edison (I think its W), and having passed GAM and been satisfied with my project… Unless you're in a huge team, teamspace doesn't matter.

There are maybe 6 teamspaces in the school that can actually accommodate 10+ person teams, so if you're on one and you're not in one of those spaces then I'm sorry and maybe preferential treatment is a concern. If you're not on a huge team, and you're not in X or W then your teamspace is fine no matter where it is and there was no way in hell you were going to get one of the super nice spaces over the larger teams.

In fact there are a few spots that should have been reformatted to fit larger teams (the corner in Tesla comes to mind). While I'm at it, Tesla is not considerably more quiet than Edison. Maybe next semester but it sure as hell is just as loud this semester. The only advantage on floor is Edison has more traffic so can attract more testers.

Oh yeah. Remember that seniors and juniors are almost ALWAYS going to get better spaces than sophomores and freshies.

PS: OP is literally satan.

>>2692

Holy shit, how fucking silly. Move on dude. You clearly have some issues, so get some help.

If you were still at DigiPen I'd tell you to suck it the fuck up and try harder, but since you dropped out (solid choice, that'd be my second bit of advice for you) I can't.

DigiPen has a fuck ton of things wrong with it, but it has tons of great things going on too. Just like THE ALMIGHTY MONEY BAGS himself says during his orientation speech, it's not about the education, classes, etc. It's about the atmosphere. And you fucked it up for yourself. You alienated yourself from your team to the point of them all hating you because you'd never come to school. You shit talked every person and every thing that the people around you were interested in and enjoyed. You made this experience hateful for yourself, so don't blame a professor/student/almighty money bags for your issues.

You spent a decade working towards something that could have been great and instead you're salty about how it was too hard and you fucked it up. Maybe in another 10 years Full Sail can make your dreams come true!

P.S. for best success at DigiPen, talk salt in moderate, but controlled doses for roughly 4 years. After which you *might* not have to work retail jobs anymore.

>>2705

Senior here. Was told no squatting and space would be randomly allocated by senate. Requested Tesla. What we got was nowhere close to what we wanted.

We were fine with our space. But these guys had every reason to be mad.

>>2707

Awesome, you know exactly who I am. That narrows down who YOU are to like one of six people. I wish I knew exactly who!

Odds are high that you weren't in my degree program, so you actually probably don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

And since you know who I am, given the circumstances that you not-so-subtly decided to air publicly here, odds are you're either one of the members of my past team, or you're part of their new team.

In which case, you surely remember how I was treated on the team, right? Surely you remember how I was treated as a team member for months, right?

Wish I knew who you were so I could avoid you forever!

>>2713

As a dropout, don't you have that luxury already? I know I've severed ties to anyone that I would never work with l or whose guts I hated (some former teammates who practically sabotaged a game) or people that I knew were toxic to be around (like the ironically hateful diversity club folks that I was a TA alongside for a semester).

With all due respect and sympathy (believe me, I'm pretty much you but with RPG maker XP instead, so likely displaced about 4-5 years), I hope that you eventually find the willpower to take control of your life once more and do something awesome with it. Baby steps, man.

>>2692

TL;DR: "I couldn't follow directions or not be a sociopath so I failed the fuck out, but I'm such an ass that nobody cares anyway."

>>2692

Man, I wasn't even saying don't bitch. I was saying that you should get help to get over this because it seems to be affecting your life a great deal.

>>2692

Hey man, I hate to break it to you, but you kind of named yourself. I don't think we ever actually talked, and I never heard about your game team issues, but the degree program alone means that you're one of about 12 people.

As for your story, I actually enjoyed hearing it. It's a pretty good view of how DP is failing us. Most of the classes are worthless, and they're expecting us to teach ourselves anything that would actually be worthwhile. They should be teaching us how to build game engines, how to use Source Control, how to use Unity & Unreal. They completely fail to give us any solid information for the first 2 years. Now that they are trying to teach us information, they're pushing in completely unrelated info to what we are supposed to be learning.

Every single class I've gotten excited about at DigiPen has been a massive disappointment. At a certain point, you learn to stop being excited.

>>2674

question for you and all other current students fucked up by the rhino and his echo chamber: have you submitted formal complaints to the school about this? THere's a form next to the phone by student affairs you can fill out (you can leave the name blank) and if enough people complain loud enough they can't just keep ignoring the issue. Most importantly, the more complaints they get the harder it is for the senate circlejerk to keep pushing their personal agenda and keeping the issue away from management.

And if they still refuse to act and provide a good, quality service (every team assigned appropriate, working team space as soon as the semester starts with space for every team member getting credit and without any favoritism), you can always file a complaint against the school, no amount of dick sucking form anyone in senate will stop management from caring about that: http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/uncsam/complain/educ.htm

>>2725

I've submitted formal complaints on several issues, and haven't seen any changes, but then again I think I got flagged as a whiner.

>>2492

Standards of accreditation if anyone's looking to file complaints - like OP in that thread said, DP was renewed for unconditional accreditation for 5 years so if you've got an issue, for the love of Claude file it, because nobody will be checking in until past your projected graduation.

>>2692

Piss off, gamergater

>>2736

Piss off, gamera-gator

>>2738

You just wish you were as cool as me

>>2721

At my internship, I had to pick up Git. At my job, I had to pick up Perforce (and a couple of programming languages, design patterns, etc.). Having to learn things on your own is part of the job. IMO DigiPen would be doing you a disservice by spoonfeeding too much. Some degree of forced independent learning is important!