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 No.189

So, for the past few years I've been really interested in the whole Tiny House movement that sprung up. After further research, I've come to realize that the whole damned thing is a scam, or at the very least, a cleverly framed lie that obscures the hidden costs, difficulties, and contradictory reality of how these things actually work.

The pitch goes something like this: For a modest sum, far cheaper than a normal house, you can build or buy a cozy dwelling that you can just tow wherever you want and comfortably live off the grid in a pleasant, low-cost, simplistic lifestyle without bills or any of the stressful clutter of modern living. All you have to do is get a trailer and slap a house on top of it and rig up some solar panels and no one can stop you, because it's not technically against the law!

Here's the reality though..

Tiny houses are fucking heavy, meaning you can't just use any truck and trailer. Chances are you'll need to buy both of those, and without some miraculous craigslist luck, that's already going to cost more than the advertised 20-30k pricetag. When it comes to utilities, you either need to get set up like a camper, meaning dedicated electricity and water lines, or get used to reading books by candlelight and nothing else, because a tiny house is just an overgrown treefort unless you spend a lot more to make the thing habitable year-round. Hope you like shitting in a bucket and keeping it in the same small breathing space as the rest of your life!

Not to mention that most people don't actually live in their tiny houses all year round. They don't tell you that shit. That's because most of them just park in the backyard of property they already own or mooch off some forgiving friend or relative. So unless you're already a wealthy yuppie or you have someone who has the space for the damned thing, you're fucked. Because you might think you can just buy a small parcel of land and park it there, but that's wrong too! Composting toilets, collecting rainwater, and even just parking a trailer on land not zoned for trailers is all illegal in many parts of the country. More likely than not, you're looking at thousands of dollars in zoning fines, provided they don't just send the police in to evict your ass.

I could go on, but the point I'm trying to make is that the Tiny House idea is fundamentally flawed in some ridiculous ways. Even if you find a city that won't bankrupt you for living in one of these things, the actual quality of life is severely hampered and really only suited to anorexic hipsters who subsist on rice, books, and checks from mommy and daddy.

tl;dr - Is there any fucking hope for this idea and if not, then what's a better alternative?

 No.190

Thanks for going to the trouble of writing this up. I too was briefly interested in the idea of a tiny house which was cheap, and I could move from place to place. Then reality at in. I realised that it would be barely big enough to contain the tools which I would need for maintaining /fixing the thing.

Then I thought back to the time when my girlfriend's Mom announced that she was going to rent out her house and travel the country in a caravan.

…First stop was our back yard, "just while she gets everything sorted for her big trip. She won't be in the way, as she'll be living in the caravan." Well, that didn't happen. She lived of our house, and just went to the van to sleep. This went on for six months till I broke up with the girlfriends kicked them both out.

I think you are right. Little houses are a scheme dependant on mouching off friends and family.


 No.191

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>>190

Not necessarily just mooching, but if someone has the time, money, and opportunity to build a tiny house, chances are they aren't hurting for money or in dire need of the reduced, cheaper lifestyle that a tiny house offers.

I can't even imagine finding a job that would allow me to take several months off just to build a tiny house, assuming I could save up that initial investment while still paying for an apartment or home.

While I think there are a lot of great ideas, especially when it comes to simplified, low-cost living, the general attitude surrounding tiny houses right now limit them to a novelty for people with too much money or too little sense. Which is why there are so many opportunistic vultures out there selling tiny house how-to books and blueprints and instructional video sets, just to prey on the gullible and stupid who don't yet understand that tiny houses aren't what they are cracked up to be.

If you want to live in a cozy mobile home with fewew responsibilities and bills, you're better off just buying and slightly modifying an RV, but even then, you're going to run into the same problems when it comes to living in it full-time, needing income to pay for the various licenses and permits, and all the various equipment and maintenance and gas.

You ever notice that all these tiny house fanatics never mention how much they pay in gas? That's because hauling a 5 ton tree-house on wheels isn't cheap and it really destroys the whole "low cost" image they are trying to sell to idiots, and why so many of them resort to just parking in someone's backyard and mooching off their electricity and running water.

But that's enough bitching.

The ideas that sell people on the whole tiny house are very attractive, but the reality is deeply flawed. I'm interested in finding an affordable way to live in reasonable comfort in a self-built home that isn't a tree fort on wheels or some hipster crapshack.


 No.205

I'm convinced you can do the tiny house thing and have it be everything they claim it to be, as long as you don't actually get a patented Tiny House. Think about it. People have been living in tear drop trailers pulled by cars as puny as VW bugs since the 60s. it should tell you something that regardless of who they pitch them to, all the testimonials you see are from richass yuppie couples who wanted to get away from the hustle and bustle of their careers as attorneys and doctors so they sold their 1.5 mil apartment and live the other half of the year in their 800k beachfront condo

Without a great deal of know-how, you can scrounge materials and build a much lighter, cheaper, and ultimately more comfortable tiny house if you do it all yourself instead of following their plans and buying their shit. Its essentially an insulated shed with a loft, power, and plumbing that's sturdy enough to survive transit. You can put all of that together for well under the 30k minimum price tag of a tiny house, and trading a few luxuries like plumbing for a compost toilet and camp shower, easily under 10k. The real bitch is finding a suitable place to put it. Even if you plan on moving around all year, its not like just finding a hotel. You need space, land owner's permission, a way to dispose of trash. Especially in the more densely populated areas of the country like the northeast, its very possible to end up in effect homeless because you have nowhere to put your home.

Theres some people on youtube who have done what I've detailed. granted half of them are nutcase hippies, but still. If you can find a few people who own land and get their permission, It's very possible to live like this for very little money.

I should note that I've personally given up on this. I panic when I get lost in my car with a full tank of gas, I really don't want to be carrying my home around in a trailer with me and do the exact same thing. I'd personally rather suck it up the next few years and save till I can get some land and build a small cabin




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