No.113375
Episode 3 - "Rosa" edition
“The Doctor takes her companions on their first journey back in time - to the dangerous, racially segregated world of Alabama in the 1950s. They encounter one of the era's heroes, black civil rights campaigner Rosa Parks, but also discover a plot to change the course of history. Vinette Robinson (Sherlock, The A Word) guest stars in an episode by acclaimed children's author Malorie Blackman.”
The Doctor Jodie Whittaker
Graham O'Brien Bradley Walsh
Ryan Sinclair Tosin Cole
Yasmin Khan Mandip Gill
Rosa Parks Vinette Robinson
Krasko Joshua Bowman
James Blake Trevor White
Mr Steele Richard Lothian
Police officer Mason Gareth Marks
Raymond Parks David Rubin
Martin Luther King Ray Sesay
Fred Gray Aki Omoshaybi
Elias Griffin Jr David Dukas
Arthur Morgan Deare
Waitress Jessica Claire Preddy
Director Mark Tonderai
Executive Producer Chris Chibnall
Executive Producer Matt Strevens
Series Producer Nikki Wilson
Writer Malorie Blackman
Writer Chris Chibnall
Perverted the course of history: >>112647
No.113378
First for feeling attracted to Jodie Doctor and having conflicted/guilty feelings about it. Considering seeing a therapist. She's very cute bros but it's not healthy.
No.113379
This episode is going to be the 'Vincent and the Doctor' of Rosa Parks.
And I mean that in a bad way.
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>>113378
She's playing a kid, you know
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>>113381
judy stop projecting your own paedophilic struggles onto others
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>>113381
I don't get why people keep saying this. Is it because of the frens meme?
No.113386
>podracing episode copies setting from Planet of the Dead
>episode immediately following is about a woman famous for her association with a bus
What did Chibbers mean by this
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>>113010
>chibnall said "all the seasons that steven did"
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No.113391
what was the lungbarrow quote from chibs?
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No.113395
How realistic do you think they'll go with people discriminating against Ryan? and as an American am I the only one that thinks having Ryan's cultural episode being about something that happened to African Americans kinda stupid? Like idk how much black brits feel towards black americans but I feel like they could have done a much much more interesting story set in Africa, during or before colonization and had it deal with African mythology and shit
No.113397
Just my thoughts on how the episode will be.
The time traveller will be going back in time to change history so that Rosa Parks sits in the spot that she did in our universe but the Doctor will assume he’s trying to change history so the civil rights movement never gained momentum because he’s white. The moral of the story is some white people are okay.
Also Graham will side with the bus driver because bus drivers are always right and Yaz will side with the cops who show up to arrest Rosa because she thinks ACAG. Ryan will be the only woke one and the Doctor will be out of the picture investigating the time traveller.
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>>113378
Let the love in anon. There's nothing wrong with wanting to cuddle the Doctor.
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>>113395
the UK never had segregation. During WW2 Americans soldiers, stationed on the southern coast of England, waiting to go to the western front would sometimes try to kick black people out of public areas, because they didn't realise the uk wasn't segregated at all.
I hope the episode doesn't just skip over the fact that Ryan (probably) has zero historical connection to this world of seperation of the races, unless Grace originally married a black american guy.
No.113400
I don't wanna talk
About things we've gone through
Though it's hurting me
Now it's history
I've played all my cards
And that's what you've done too
Nothing more to say
No more ace to play
The winner takes it all
The loser's standing small
Beside the victory
That's her destiny
I was in your arms
Thinking I belonged there
I figured it made sense
Building me a fence
Building me a home
Thinking I'd be strong there
But I was a fool
Playing by the rules
The gods may throw the dice
Their minds as cold as ice
And someone way down here
Loses someone dear
The winner takes it all
The loser has to fall
It's simple and it's plain
Why should I complain?
But tell me does she kiss
Like I used to kiss you?
Does it feel the same
When she calls your name?
Somewhere deep inside
You must know I miss you
But what can I say?
Rules must be obeyed
The judges will decide
The likes of me abide
Spectators of the show
Always staying low
The game is on again
A lover or a friend
A big thing or a small
The winner takes it all
I don't wanna talk
If it makes you feel sad
And I understand
You've come to shake my hand
I apologize
If it makes you feel bad
Seeing me so tense
No self-confidence
But you see
The winner takes it all
The winner takes it all
So the winner takes it all
And the loser has to fall
Throw a dice, cold as ice
Way down here, someone dear
Takes it all, has to fall
It seems plain to me
No.113401
>>113397
>Episode opens with Rosa sitting down in the front of the bus
>People around her start getting mad and calling her the n word
>"Hey, negro, get to the back of the bus" says the busdriver
>He turns around, it's Graham
>He stares right at the camera and says "Us bus drivers gotta stick together"
>Credits roll
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>>113397
the doctor will try to get the bus drive to accept change and better themselves, and will sentence him to death when he doesn't capitulate
rosa parks will push him off the bus and the doctor will admonish her as rosa does not have the rights to be in the front half of the bus
No.113403
>>113399
Yeah, that's what I thought it seems really weird to do. Like you said it's possible that one of his parents is American, but even then he clearly grew up in the UK
No.113404
does anyone else think that the s5 soundtrack is good enough to rival the s9 soundtrack?
No.113405
Rosa Parks is actual an alien named R'ohza Pahrkz. She was sent to Alabama as part of her alien race's initiation ritual of sending people to Earth to participate in Civil Rights movements. Establishes 13's series-long gimmick of mishearing alien names as regular human names. Seems silly but will eventually tie into the epic series arc and be fully realized in the explosive final episode of the series.
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>>113405
>I am Neo Cloister of the /who/ contingent
>Neil Caster?
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>>113408
honestly though I feel like the detail of him being a bus driver was really weird so they probably will do some shit like that
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>>113410
What is the secret of Neil Caster, lads
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>>113401
if you take GR from the word Negro…
No.113414
Dumb things boardies say
>The Writing
>The Scripts
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>>113414
Ironic that Capalchads now have Jodie who is good but the writing is terrible
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>>113416
>good
We'll see; as of ep 1 I think the quality of the script is actually having a detrimental impact on her performance.
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>>113417
No I agree, it seems as if she's being wasted, hopefully some of the other writers will have her not be as hyper and give her a few serious scenes
No.113419
The companions were good but they were let down by the writing
No.113420
Everything in the premiere was 3/10
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>>113419
not wrong honestly
No.113422
>writing down thoughts on jodie's debut episode
>realise it's like five negatives for every positive
I didn't want to dislike it, and I feel awkward for not being wholly positive when everyone around me is talking about how perfect they thought it was. But then I think to myself that if this had been the debut episode for any other incarnation (i.e. not a groundbreaking casting choice), it would have been very, very poorly received.
No.113424
Neo's in his confession dial right now, he said he's always hated /who/.
No.113425
Graham will be York between his loyalty to bus drivers and his love of poc women
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>>113424
how long are we going to wait? Or actually, I should ask, how long's he going to be in there?
No.113428
I just want the rest of series 11 to be good, lads.
No.113429
Before the Flood:
>So there's this man. He has a time machine. Up and down history he goes, zip zip zip zip zip, getting into scrapes. Another thing he has is a passion for the works of Ludwig van Beethoven. And one day he thinks, what's the point of having a time machine if you don't get to meet your heroes? So off he goes to eighteenth century Germany. But he can't find Beethoven anywhere. No one's heard of him, not even his family have any idea who the time traveller is talking about. Beethoven literally doesn't exist. This didn't happen, by the way. I've met Beethoven. Nice chap. Very intense. Loved an arm-wrestle. No, this is called the Bootstrap Paradox. Google it. The time traveller panics. He can't bear the thought of a world without the music of Beethoven. Luckily he'd brought all of his Beethoven sheet music for Ludwig to sign. So he copies out all the concertos, and the symphonies and he gets them published. He becomes Beethoven. And history continues with barely a feather ruffled. But my question is this. Who put those notes and phrases together? Who really composed Beethoven's Fifth?
The Shadow Play:
>Godfather Morlock used to explain to us about the bog-standard time paradox. You'll have heard this before, I know, but let's just put it on the record. You take a song, or a story, or just an idea that you grew up with, all right? You go back in time, and give your song, or whatever, to someone who was around before it was written. He spreads it through the rest of the world, and before you know it it's everywhere, so you can grow up with it and take it back in time in the first place. The question being, where did the song come from, if nobody actually wrote it? But the thing is… the way Morlock explained things… it goes deeper than that. Because every atom in the universe gets affected by every other atom in the universe, eventually. Every move you make starts ripples that go through the rest of time. So, it doesn't have to be anything as big as a song. If you go back and take a single breath of the air, you make ripples in the world. Ripples that keep on spreading, until that one breath of air helps shape the whole wide world. The world that made you, just so you could go back in time and make it. You see? The paradox is everywhere. Just by stepping back at all, just by being who we are, we're making the present. The way Morlock explained it, every breath we take is impossible. [Pause.] I just thought I should let you know, that's all. The fact that nothing in this story could possibly have happened.
Who did it better?
No.113430
>>113428
unironically looking forward more to sesska's weat/tdf rections than S11
No.113432
>>113391
>I have never read lungbarrow and looms will not become canon _this_ series
No.113433
>>113432
Fuck Chibnall, Grand Master Moffat said there is no canon.
No.113434
there is a canon, it just happens to encompass all of doctor who media.
No.113435
>>113434
except lungbarrow
No.113436
kek the intro to the podcast is fucking hilarious, popcorn and all. well done lads
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No.113438
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>113437
morph neo and gig did a podcast
No.113439
I just realised that episode 3 is going to have bad American accents as well. Fuck every time I think about it there's a new horrible inevitability that makes me want to scream
No.113440
>>113439
is it even possible for an actor to do a bad american accent? it's not really complex at all compared to other accents.
No.113441
>>113440
>is it even possible for an actor to do a bad american accent?
Daleks in Manhattan says yes.
No.113442
Does segun use a real orchestra or digital samples and soundfonts?
No.113444
WHY THE FUCK IS MATT SMITH STILL NOT DOING BIG FINISH?!!!!!
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>>113444
he hasn't been asked
No.113447
I think direction is shit too, Whittaker is an okay actress but they probably told her to overdo it. And the script was utterly forgettable and the opening episode of a new era can never be that.
No.113448
love the podcast neo, gig, morph. good work!
No.113449
The woman who fell too earth is the episode chibnall HAD to write, The Ghost Monument is the episode Chibnall WANTS to write.
it's going to be kino!
No.113451
>>113449
We can only hope.
(It will be shit.)
No.113453
The more we learn about S11 the more disappointing it is that the lord mayor of Sheffield isn't in it.
https://twitter.com/hopenothate/status/1049947876544139264
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No.113455
>Three trips upload a podcast
>/who/ is dead
what's going on?
Anyway based work guys. Would you be open to having guests? Some other N-trips perhaps? If they were comfortable doing it, of course. Keenly anticipating future episodes.
No.113456
nightmareofeden wants to go on the podcast
No.113457
I would love to appear on the podcast guys, but I'm afraid my vocal fry is pretty bad as a result of all the soy!
No.113458
nilso will be expressing his views on each series 11 episode during his cam shows, not spoken, but rather expressed through sexual interpretive dance
No.113459
What’s your dream podcast lineup and why?
No.113460
>>113459
Judy, Skelly, and Hoodie
No.113462
There hasn’t been kino in the stream for a while
No.113463
>"We’ve worked hard to authentically recreate the story – think of this as episode zero of The Talons of Weng-Chiang" says producer @RichardsonBF"
It's got to be a prequel, right?
No.113464
>>113463
Apparently I'm word blind, ignore
No.113465
>>113463
>touching weng-chiang in the current year
why would they want to go there?
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>>113465
because they're braindead boomers who think talons isnt racist
No.113467
Well at least they're doing better representation than Talons did. How will they explain Chang's voice changing from normal to racist between stories?
No.113468
reminder that angstrom is the more interesting character
No.113469
>>113468
epzo doesnt play by the rules though
No.113470
we used to have trad, rad, frock and gun episodes
now we have teal episodes and orange episodes
No.113471
Susan Lynch
>has interesting lines
>cool hair
>interesting design
>possibly related to David Lynch
Shaun Doodley
>no lines of interest
>plain hair
>basic uninspired design
>not related to David Lynch
No.113472
>>113471
this
how will epzoids ever recover
No.113473
Seeing as this is Chibnall, Epzo will be unlikeable and Angstrom will be likeable but at the end tables will turn and she will betray the Doctor while Epzo will REMEMBER TO BE GOOD.
No.113474
Has there ever been a native american character in doctor who?
No.113475
>>113474
The closest thing to it IIRC is probably the Brazilian Amazon from Black Orchid.
No.113476
Big Finish solved racism by bringing back the Asian character from Talons but played by an Asian actor this time
No.113477
>>113476
What if the character is still depicted as a racial stereotype?
No.113478
Desperately writing a Marco Polo sequel where Teganna has an Asian actor so people stop calling the episode racist
No.113479
don't disturb nilso, he's reading shit trips!
No.113480
>>113477
Umm sweaty… I’m sure the team of white men who write these stories will do fine
No.113481
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>>113479
What a happy capy
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>>113482
i was sneedposting in that thread
No.113485
One of my favourite parts of the new ep was when the Doctor was apologizing. It's one of the few moments where Jodie hinted at having her own personality. It was sincere and matter-of-fact unlike 10s whiny guilt-induced apologizing. I hope we see more of it.
No.113486
>>113485
10's "I'm sorry I'm so sorry" comes off like a sociopath, someone who's just saying the thing you're meant to say to make people feel better, whereas 13 had some actual depth to how she was apologising so it came off as genuine
No.113488
I'm sexy. I'm so so sexy.
No.113489
>>113488
keep telling yourself that darling
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>>113489
keep replying to yourself sweaty
No.113491
Idea for Dr. Who: Chris Chibnall should appear at the end of every episode telling the viewer what they can expect to see next week, Rod Serling-style. Popcorn is usually mentioned.
No.113492
They posted the damn podcast, why are they still not in any threads? Does anyone know the story?
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>>113490
i'd like to consensually make nilso sweaty if you know what i mean
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>>113492
They have a cam show coming up too.
No.113495
cum tribute on a printed out padre nilso flag when?
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>>113495
This but ironically
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>>113495
sounds like a job for skelly
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>>113486
Yeah, exactly this. It was authentic and sympathetic. It didn't feel like there was an underlying "I'm such a terrible person" attached to it, which was the real content of the expression.
I wonder if 13 will turn out to be a nurturing type? I kind of hope so, even though I'm sure a lot of people would say it was sexist or something.
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>>113491
Unironically support this if they gave cryptic teasers about the next episode as well.
No.113500
I just really, really hope Thirteen expresses some non-superficial flaws at some point down the line.
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>>113495
Unironically support this too
No.113502
>>113500
i thought during the crane scene that 13 would discover her new brain has a fear of heights. would have been interesting
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>>113498
13's single "I'm sorry" is more empathetic and legitimate than all of 10's "I'm sorry". I wasn't too keen on 13's delivery of the line but even then it's still better.
No.113504
However, and this is directed to Skelly, I was very keen on your "delivery" last night ;) Even if I had to wear a dress.
No.113505
fucking FINALLY have a clean picture of the new tardis interior with all the lights on
No.113506
Hey Nilso, are you interested in learning a Doctor Who related fact?
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>>113506
If it has nothing to do with cam shows or me being gay, then sure.
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>>113507
The fact is: today is National Coming Out Day. Just thought you'd like to know.
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>>113508
Thanks anon, but that fact is more useful for yourself.
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>>113509
What did he mean by this?
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>>113509
>using homosexuality as an insult
what did he mean by this?
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>>113511
It's not me, I have nothing against sensible gay people.
No.113514
>The Doctor takes Rosa to 2018 to show her how blacks are treated now
>Athlete - Chances plays
>music abruptly stops
>"It's still not good enough."
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>>113512
>>113513
Both falseflags but I agree with the sentiment. Let's just say the "anon" I'm dealing with is anything but sensible. He really puts the fag in tripfag.
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No.113518
nilso isn't even home right now
every padre flag in the last few hours is a flase flag
No.113519
and with that post, nilso is #cancelled
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>>113518
How do you know, are you his boyfriend or something?
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>>113518
I get off early on Thursdays.
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>>113524
skelly here, i hope you 'got off' early enough to be ready for another round tonight ;) if you know what i mean
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>>113525
haha I remember the shibe meme too! XD
No.113528
who does this best represent?
No.113529
i think it's really weird the way skelly keeps posting about nilso
No.113530
i will always defend you nilso
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>>113529
what's the next step of your master plan?
No.113532
why is only one numberplate blurred, and why is it blurred little enough that you can still make out the text?
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>>113528
is that a raccoon fursona?
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>>113532
God, this was epic. Would've been great if they could have characters instead of Daleks though. Missy and Ashildr probably.
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>>113536
okay, this is epic
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>>113538
don't call me babe thats gay
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>>113539
what's wrong with being gay, cats?
No.113541
Rose - We learn the Doctor can be rude, callous, and is hindered in certain circumstances by his war trauma.
The Christmas Invasion - We learn the Doctor can eerily switch from charming to someone who is willing to take a life without hesitation. He also doesn't hesitate to cruelly manipulate the career of Harriet Jones with little regard for her.
The Eleventh Hour - The Doctor is shown to be irresponsible in making promises that he is unable to keep, forcing him to make up for his mistake.
Deep Breath - The Doctor is depicted as insensitive in his social interactions, projecting his own faults onto other people. He is also depicted as somewhat patronising towards Clara.
The Woman Who Fell to Earth - ???
Serious question, are we at the end of flawskino? I appreciated how the companions were clearly given deliberate flaws, but was Chibnall being 100% serious when he said Thirteen is purely a pillar of hope?
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>>113541
The doctor tricks someone into killing himself, only to immediately afterwards tell off someone for kicking that same person she already just killed off a ledge - even though they teleported away and didn't actually die from getting kicked off the ledge
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>>113540
nothing, i'm just advising nilso on how to not be seen as gay. it's something he has difficulties with and that's okay because i'm here to help
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>>113542
I strongly read that as Chibnall presenting Thirteen as having the moral high ground in that scenario.
No.113545
it's like, straight eye for the straight guy. call it that
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>>113544
but why? How does 13 have the moral high ground there? She just killed Tim Shaw because he was intending to kill her and her friends - but the same could be said of the crane guy.
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>>113546
I don't know, it's baffling. Probably because Thirteen considered herself to be giving him a choice whereas the crane guy was just killing him. Doesn't explain why pushing someone who's already dying is such a big deal though.
No.113548
>it's a "pillar of hope" episode
No.113549
Sometimes I remember that Steven Moffat will almost certainly write Doctor Who again in some form before I die and it just keeps me going
No.113550
Do you think "you had no right" has bigger implications regarding chibnall's sense of morality and what sort of moral dilemmas will occur in future episodes?
No.113551
Looking forward to weekly videos of Bradders messing about on set
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>>113553
do trains in the UK have food for sale like that?
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>>113554
Short distance travels don't, but long distance travels do.
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>>113552
>sesska talking about rape, condoms and 15 year old boys watching porn
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>>113556
What, is she a christfag?
No.113558
>>113557
she said that sexual violence like that makes her really uncomfortable, not because of any personal experience but just the thought of it was making her a bit faint.
she also came off a bit embarrassed talking about any sexual stuff (like thinking through why a rapist would care about wearing a condom), but she did say that she didn't get why they were treating a 15 year old kid watching porn as a big deal because that's just a thing 15 year old kids do
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>>113550
It was sloppy but I think it was supposed to hint at a sort of God complex. It's been a trend in introductory episodes to give the newest incarnation a bit of edge at least since Tennant. I think this was supposed to be her version of 10's "no second chances" or 12's ambiguous killing the clockwork robot/glaring at the camera, but it didn't have nearly the same impact and felt kind of hamfisted.
The Doctor cheated a little to kill Tim Shaw with a clean conscience. She makes it clear that Timmy did it to themselves, as far as she's concerned. No wrongdoing on her part. All she did was make it so that the bad guy's decision to keep being a bad guy would directly affect him instead of an innocent person. She rearranged circumstances to be more just, by her own estimation. But when crane guy kicks him off the crane, that sense of justice is upset and everything is muddied. Suddenly the innocent person is actually guilty, and the guilty person is actually partly a victim. It completely screws up the way she had intended for events to play out.
Of course, she completely overlooks the fact that she's playing God and giving herself authority over something she has no more claim to authority over than crane guy. She puts herself in the position of judge, but this is stripped away from her when crane guy throws a spanner in the works.
So I think her snapping at him is a) frustration at having control stripped away from her by a wildcard she couldn't have predicted b) frustration at how her sense of justice and balance is upset—crane guy goes from innocent person to partly guilty, Tim Shaw from wholly guilty to partly victim.
I guess it's kind of "Time Lord victorious" mentality.
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>>113561
problem is, I can't tell if chibnall was actually thinking of the inherent hypocrisy or if he actually thought 13 was in the right
No.113563
>chibs is anti-porn
based based based
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>>113563
It's a legit ballsy touch to S3 and I like that he got people discussing it a bit.
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>>113563
you know if you disliked the porn industry because it exploits women and promotes unrealistic ideas about sex to young people, then i would call you based. but i know you only hate porn because you're a massive incel who gets angry at the thought of other people experiencing sexual pleasure
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>>113564
would you ever consider giving nilso a "ballsy touch"? consensually ofc
No.113568
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>113567
? I'm not sure what you mean honestly.
No.113569
>>113563
He only handled the issue in a superficial sense. He only covered the connection between porn and abusive power fantasies, rather than unrealistic depictions and expectations of sex as a whole (or the whole thing about an industry machine built around abusing women).
What about different types of porn, like amateur recordings from two people in an actual relationship or illustrated porn that depicts romantic sex instead of a power fantasy? Where do they fit into chibs' morality compass? There are arguments to be made for consuming any type of porn to be unhealthy if it replaces seeking out an intimate relationship in real life, but that line of thought is never brought up in broadchurch.
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>>113567
stop it skelly. this is not okay
No.113571
>>113569
Fair point, anon. I've not actually seen Broadchurch outside of Sesska reviews so I've got no idea whether or not it's dealt with in any detail other than what I've already seen. I agree on your point saying that porn personifies unrealistic depictions and expectations of sex. Your point about different types is an interesting one as well. Like I said, I've only seen Broadchurch related material through Sesska so I've not got the entire picture on Chibble's opinion on the subject. I'm sure that his take on it will become clearer as time goes on.
No.113572
>>113562
From the way it was written, I think he straightforwardly intended that she was in the right. I don't think Chibbers really does nuance.
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>>113571
I can't really elaborate on chibnall's take without going into spoilers, but he definitely just focuses on themes of unhealthy sexual power dynamics instead of other types of porn
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>>113572
>I don't think
I suppose that helps you get in his mindset though!
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>>113573
Good to hear
>>113572
My whole take on the topic is that 13 chided the crane guy for pushing him over the edge because he was already dying very quickly so there was literally no need to kill him.
No.113576
>>113575
>13 chided the crane guy for pushing him over the edge because he was already dying very quickly so there was literally no need to kill him.
that still makes no sense
No.113577
>>113576
Then I don't know what to say
No.113579
"You had no right" is the new "Do I have the right?" And I mean that in a bad way.
No.113580
>>113579
Yeah, it's gonna be a running theme
No.113581
>>113576
it makes sense in a sort of "He was already dying, anything more is just sort of for the sake of vengeance" or something, but idk if i was that dude i would have absolutely done the same thing. What if the dna bomb took 2 minutes to kill him? 2 minutes is enough to lash out at the nearest sentient being, which was the 'special' guy. So kicking toothman off the crane was self protection in my eyes.
No.113582
Imagine putting all of your energy into doing this bit of artwork then remembering that 4's Sonic doesn't operate straight out of the tip like New-Who's Screwdrivers do
No.113583
>>113580
>running theme
You mean the Doctor having incoherent ethics? It'll be a running theme alright but it won't be intentional
No.113584
>>113582
He's just using it to dramatically indicate something.
No.113586
>>113582
it's very good though
No.113587
>>113582
Nilso's dick doesn't operate straight out of the tip
No.113588
>>113581
what the crane guy did definitely constituted justified self defense
No.113589
No.113591
>the woman who fell to earth
No.113592
S10 may have been weak but at least it wasn't Sherlock S4
No.113593
>>113592
I thought the episode with jimmy saville was good
No.113594
>>113592
THE DOG
WAS ABSTRACT
No.113595
>>113593
Yeah me too, it's legitimately great kino. Doesn't excuse the two episodes either side of it for me though.
No.113596
>>113592
the middle half hour of the finale where they were trapped in the saw style game was kino and you can't convince me otherwise
No.113597
mfw remembering i still have an apparently kino moff series to watch, and it was made during the era he was running dr who
No.113598
>>113596
eeeeeehhhhhhhhhhh…
No.113600
This verges me. In "Blink" the Angels explicitly operate with a fun variation of Heisenberg's principle, the physical law that says a quantum particle can have either a well-defined "position" or a well-defined "momentum" but never both at the same time, because of superposition and shit. This is why the Angels in "Blink" can jump across the street in a millisecond: if you measure their position, then let them gain momentum, then measure their position again, they might not be in the same place. Hence why electrons are better understood as a fuzzy cloud of probability rather than actual dots flying around the nucleus.
But for some FUCKING REASON everyone seems to reduce it to "Angels stand still when they know you're not looking", it makes no sense, fucking kill me. And plus I have the guilt of knowing I kinda reinforced that distinction in "Cobweb and Ivory" so FUCKING KILL ME
No.113601
>>113597
You'll like Sherlock's score.
No.113602
>>113601
If Murray Gold did it I will die with joy
No.113603
>>113602
No, but someone of similar quality who I have a feeling you already appreciate to some extent.
No.113604
>>113603
Any DW connection, the composer?
No.113605
>>113600
I think that thinking about it too much ruins the mystique, or at least for me it does. I'd love for it to be left either vague or that the Angels are somewhat clairvoyant and see things through an onion-skin effect.
No.113606
>>113604
Yup, and you've given their Doctor Who contribution some rarified praise before.
No.113607
>>113606
Interesting, I don't think I've ever praised any of the other DW-adjacent NewWho composers that sort of praise, is it someone from Classic? Or wilderness even? Arnold?
No.113608
No.113609
No.113610
>>113607
DW-adjacent, not nuwho
No.113611
No.113612
>>113607
>Arnold?
Yeah man! It's really great, classy stuff. Leitmotifs are in full effect and they have a bit of fun with them later on in the series.
No.113613
>>113612
Woah that legit surprises me, that's awesome. Sounds incredible and completely down my alley. Thanks for the heads up!
No.113614
No.113615
Moffat's entire tenure was a cringy pile of le quirky garbage that made little to no sense in retrospect.
No.113616
>>113612
>>113613
Irene's theme is earkino.
No.113617
Imagine posting provocative statements you don't even believe just because you want to argue with people.
No.113618
>>113615
I bet you love the Chibnall era.
No.113619
No.113620
>>113617
What kind of person, nay what kind of man, would do such a thing?
No.113621
>>113617
I do that all the time, it's fun
No.113622
>>113621
I know you do, that's why I posted it.
No.113623
Would you describe TWWFTE as clumpy?
No.113624
When was the last time a song was used in the show that wasn't being sung within the episode itself? Last one I can think of is Chances in Vincent and the Doctor.
Seems like something Chibnall might do.
No.113625
>>113624
Doesn't knock knock start with pop music as the background music?
No.113626
In series 6, at the start of the gangers 2 parter, they're listening to dusty springfield in the tardis
No.113627
No.113628
little mix, more like little shit
No.113629
No.113630
On the 24th of October last year, an anon posted this pasta (pic):
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/89325347/#89325469
I, happy at the time with Chibnall’s appointment as the next showrunner, responded with six posts breaking down why - at the time - it seemed perfectly sensible to me to be hype for Chibnall’s era of Doctor Who. I was a Chibnall defender, which magnified hugely when he cast Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor. I wanted series 11 to be great, and really thought it could be.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/89325347/#89326156
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/89325347/#89326195
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/89325347/#89326238
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/89325347/#89326263
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/89325347/#89326290
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/89325347/#89326330
One year later, we’re now in that era of Doctor Who.
“This is Doctor Who in an era of Netflix – you’ve got to keep up…you’ve got to keep up with all the DC shows in the US. So it’s just making sure it’s fit for purpose”
"You don't even have to watch it in order"
“A pillar of hope is exactly, I think that’s who Jodie’s Doctor is….pillar of hope, we need a pillar of hope in these times, and that pillar of hope is Jodie Whittaker"
"I wanted it to be pure escapism"
“Just make [it] really”
Doctor Who is sometimes great, Doctor Who is often mediocre, Doctor Who is sometimes downright terrible. I don’t think The Woman Who Fell to Earth was really any of those things. I think it was a decently successful fulfillment of Chibnall’s ambitions, such as they are. Torchwood, which Chibnall effectively showran for two series, for all its explicit modelling after Buffy and Angel and the X-Files and the like, had a weirdness and uniqueness to it, not even just limited to the novelty of setting such a show in Cardiff. This premiere had a lot of pretty shots of Sheffield but I’m not sure it even felt uniquely British outside of the accents, let alone uniquely Doctor Who.
No.113631
Those pretty shots are what’s really dangling on my mind, because to my surprise it’s less Chibnall I took issue with in the episode (I’m far from alone in having a decent idea what to expect from him here), but the director, Jamie Childs. “He…gives you direction,” says Mandip Gill. Childs manages quite a few genuinely pretty shots of Sheffield, and has a few visually appealing (if empty) shots scattered about, but taken holistically, the direction of the ep was so bungled. There was no consistency of tone (for all Chibnall says "What he's got is a great range of tone, which is what Doctor Who demands") and the actors were given virtually no space to modulate their performances. Even setting aside oddities in staging (like the abrupt timeskip in the woods with Ryan and Yaz, or lack of connective tissue with the TARDIS team reaching a rooftop, or how abruptly the episode skips a strikingly indeterminate amount of time to reach Grace’s funeral), everything is so overwhelmingly flat…you can see the actor of the mechanic with the missing sister is trying to do something interesting and shaken with his performance, but it’s drowned out in how straightly his scenes are played. Moments like the parking dispute or the drunk salad man feel like they’re reaching for an RTD sort of true-to-life quirkiness, but they’re played and directed so straightly and flatly that they just thud along without any zest or zip.
This is as much the script’s fault, but it particularly hurts when it comes to 13, as the episode is self-consciously about her regaining her identity and positioning herself as the unique title character. Yet, apart from a few minute reaction shots in the last ten minutes and the quick exchange about family (quickly moved on from for another burst of quirk), she plays the entire episode on the same setting. I’m not laying this on her feet, I stand by Whittaker being a strong actor and good casting, but this episode does her no favours as it gives her no room to meaningfully develop (like in Doctor introduction episodes like the Eleventh Hour or The Day of the Doctor) or showcase range (like in Rose or the also very-flawed Deep Breath).
Not helping matters is the music. The theme itself was a great move; going back to the Derbyshire theme and the creepy vibe is something I’ve clamoured for for ages. I wouldn’t quite call it just a remix, it’s certainly something of a rearrangement, but I’m not sure how much I’d consider it a discrete theme as of yet. Still, I love it, even the drums, which in their abrasiveness actually key into the offputting vibe of the theme in a way I think the shrillness of Capaldi’s theme meant to, but never quite achieved, at least for me. No, the theme itself I enjoy, but the score was as inconsistent as the direction. The majority of the score, just ambling ambient soundscapes, was enjoyable enough, not as distinctive or well-executed as a similar score like Stranger Thing’s, but still eminently workable. Yeah I’ll bemoan the loss of Marigold’s heavily motif-driven score - near every show has forgettable atmospherics, Doctor Who 2005-2017 and Game of Thrones were some of the rare leitmotif-led shows and remarkable for it; there's nothing wrong with soundscapes but the show's lost something it was uniquely and distinctively superior to the entire rest of TV at - but we’ll live. But…the sonic and costume scenes completely disembarked from the soundscape approach and gave us these bizarre insurance-commercial esque flighty artificial-sounding formless gestures towards a motif. There’s a repeated motif of sorts there but it’s so aimless that I think you’re more likely to forget it as you hear it, not retain it and recognise it in future episodes. Marigold was criticised all the time for overly emotive music dictating how to feel but god, the music was screaming a dictation of emotion in those sequences. I am the Doctor did that too, but the instrumentation and dynamism of that cue gave it and the scenes it played under room to breathe, plus it wasn’t incongruous with the rest of the score.
No.113632
Wrapping back around to the actual script, I think it’s fair to say Chibnall’s strengths usually lie with police procedurals (Broadchurch, Law and Order), ‘comfy’ family-esque character interactions (the Power of Three, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, Torchwood) and emotional moments pitched similarly (Adrift, Broadchurch, P.S.). The premiere did not play to these strengths. In its rush to introduce so many characters, they were reduced to job+past trauma levels of formulaic underwriting. This structurally handicapped the possibility of them having good dialogue, but even I was shocked at how blatantly expository the dialogue was, how - if you’ll let me put on my Reddit flag for a moment - how it failed to be “show, don’t tell”. “I just want to make you proud”, “Yaz to my friends” (in fact, nearly all of Yaz’s lines are just expository enabling responses to other characters, the way the episode disappointingly does end up true to much of Classic Who), the villain blathering on for ages about his backstory and motivations (instead of trusting in the power of ambiguity, or working the script to have 13 deduce some of his culture from his pod and debate/interact with him about it on the rooftop instead of just have him present it all one-way - I did like that that he and the Doctor hadn’t heard of each other before, but he got bogged down in even more exposition than that ever entails), “I reckon she's using my phone to track the origin signal for the DNA bombs”, “Presumably for that thing we just saw in the alley. But why here? Why tonight?” (drink every time 13 stops to explain the plot and telegraph the next movement of it), “But why did that guy move this thing from the Peaks to here? And how did he even know it was there?”, “But why? What data are they gathering?” (drink every time 13 says “but why”), and on and on.
What is it with hacks and fourth-wall breaking? Whithouse had his fun at the start of Before the Flood, “who composed Beethoven’s Fifth” and all that, but even when I imagine a Whithouse regeneration story, I don’t see him writing “We're all capable of the most incredible change. We can evolve while still staying true to who we are. We can honour who we've been and choose who we want to be next.” And I thought the Deep Breath phonecall was a touch too patronisingly on the nose….
How does Chibnall define that new character then?
>“When I can remember [my name]….Of course I know it, it’s right there on the tip of my…”
>“I'm trying to think. It's difficult. I'm not yet who I am.”
>“Me? I’m…oh, it’s gone again! I had it a minute ago. It's so annoying! Same question, back at you.”
>“Oh, yes, I'm glad you asked [who are you] again. Bit of adrenaline, dash of outrage, and a hint of panic knitted my brain back together. I know exactly who I am. I’m the Doctor. Sorting out fair play throughout the universe.”
>“I'm just a traveller. Sometimes I see things need fixin'. I do what I can.”
It’s not just the lack of dynamic Marigold-esque Doctor-defining music to accentuate that self-discovery that makes it feel muted, it’s that it comes after an episode that’s refused to give Jodie space to develop her performance to any arc point. What makes it worse is that it takes place in a premiere that seems to be outright apologisng for the show at times. When the premiere embraces being Doctor Who, it crackles - the title theme playing when the Doctor first shows up (isn’t it telling how it’s a very recognisable, distinct musical motif that got such a reaction), the new Doctor defining her iconography through the sonic and her costume. But the script falls over itself to apologise for the sonic, qualifying it as a swiss army knife, repeatedly trying to explain it instead of just letting it be and trusting viewers to understand what a magic wand is (contrast to the treatment of the sonic in Rose, or the Eleventh Hour, or even the TV movie).
No.113633
Doctor Who sparkles when it struts out with a clear vision and bursts with so much novelty and life that it all but demands audiences flock to it, as it did in 1963, in 2005, but here it feels reactionary, the very showrunner framing it as a response to capeshit and other programmes of the day. Remember when other shows copied Doctor Who, instead of the other way around? I think reaching for mass popularity is as valid a goal as the quieter, stranger thing the show attempted in the Cartmel and late Moffat years, but following the pack is never the way to successfully achieve that. Even for all Pertwee’s era drew from Quatermass, or RTD Who drew from soaps and from Buffy, at their best they melded those influences with things unique to Doctor Who, making a sort of genuinely iterative synthesis. They made themselves distinct. What truly distinguishes this premiere from the shows it’s drawing from? The temporal complexities of Rose and 9’s relationship would obviously be out of place on a soap. Would Tim Shaw be out of place in TV capeshit? Would 13 building the sonic be out of place in all those others shows? Thank heavens for small graces like 13 still inexplicably ‘reading’ something from a non-existent sonic interface, and the mechanic’s video camera bursting into flame for no reason; at least the premiere has some grace notes of weirdness requiring viewer imagination to process.
A lot of 13’s quirkiness harkens back to 10, for better or worse. Her bizarre hypocrisy and moralising with “You had no right” to Karl after kicking the dying alien 13 had already set off the death off the crane reeked of 10’s repellingly arrogant moments. That said I do like how she progresses from 10’s “I’m so sorry” habit; specifying the apologies feels much more empathetic (“I'm sorry you all had to see this”, “I'm sorry any of this is happening”, “I'm sorry that thing on the train planted these bombs inside you and I'm sorry I haven't figured out what's going on yet.”. Speaking of death though, why was Grace even climbing the crane to destroy the siphonophore? The day was already saved and all it had done was disable the crane. Grace’s ensuing death is an ugly, poorly staged thing, and skipped over bizarrely quickly. What tone is this? What type of show is this? From melodrama to a bizarrely timed funeral (how long was 13 in those clothes?) to quips about clothes to that blaring emotive bank commercial music again to a cliffhanger in space. Lord knows Grace, so often interestingly equated with the Doctor in the episode, travelling around with 13 along with Graham and Ryan (Yaz, the as-of-now non-character can jog on) sounds more appealing than a poorly-staged death there to generate Walsh-angst. At least Walsh got something, er, interesting to play, beyond cuddly “ask a bus driver haha” to “YA GONNA BLAME THAT ON YA DYSPRAXIA AS WELL!?!?!!” to “I have cancer”. God, the handling of scenes like Graham’s cancer reveal and the grandfather security guard lampshading how much of a soon-to-die redshirt he was feel like unintentional meta comedy; I can barely believe a by-all-metrics successful writer actually planned those to land straightly.
Speaking of the crane sequence, making 13’s jump the pivotal climax point of the episode hurt. In the promotion for S11 Chibnall has constantly stressed 13 represents brains not brawn, using intelligent and wit and empathy and creativity to solve problems instead of guns or knives or whatever else, even outright said the show would return to a more educational focus. And yet, the climax is an athletic feat, 13 doing a big hero jump. That’s not intelligence, that’s not creativity, that’s just cheap stakes derived from setting a climax on a height and having a broken bridge that needed crossing. What a lazy form of storytelling. The companions don’t fare much better, any supposed individuality between such a large TARDIS team being negated by them all reduced to plot props in the same way (checking police activity, checking social media, and checking a…nurse’s WhatsApp group are all the exact same activity, nothing genuinely individual or building on character traits beyond sketched-out backgrounds).
No.113634
No.113635
What did I like? The new theme - what a great move; going back to the Derbyshire theme and the creepy vibe is something I’ve clamoured for for ages. I wouldn’t quite call it just a remix, it’s certainly something of a rearrangement, but I’m not sure how much I’d consider it a discrete theme as of yet. Still, I love it, even the drums, which in their abrasiveness actually key into the offputting vibe of the theme in a way I think the shrillness of Capaldi’s theme meant to, but never quite achieved, at least for me.
On a similar note, I liked the sound effects of the request-for-access shape in the forest. Very harsh and present.
I like 13’s restraint in just nodding after Ryan explained about his absentee dad, instead of moralising or offering advice. I also liked her line about regeneration having a moment of death followed by instant birth.
Sheffield is an interesting new location for the show, and there were some pretty shots of it.
Segun had some nice soundscapes, particularly on the train. I outright adored the title theme briefly blaring when the Doctor first showed up.
I like the casting. I love that it genuinely means something to so many people. I love what doors it is opening. I like Ryan having dyspraxia, that’s an interesting, fresh note, and must really resonate with some - god knows those bike scenes reminiscent of my similar experiences.
But what didn’t I like? I can wax on with flaws in the episode - the bizarre convolusion of the plot, how formulaic the underwriting of the characters was, the Class-tier alien design - but ultimately what truly verges me isn’t Doctor Who being mediocre, or even Doctor Who being generic. It’s this being treated as good enough. It looks more like a film now, and that’s good enough. It kept most viewer’s interest for an hour, and that’s good enough. It has diverse representation now, and that’s good enough. No. It is not good enough. It should be expectation, not celebration. Pretty shots don’t make good direction. The bare minimum of entertainment doesn’t make great storytelling. Diverse casting doesn’t make meaningful progressiveness. These are all things worth doing but they are a baseline, not an endstate we should fall over ourselves to congratulate.
Casting a woman Doctor is seismic; the show should be living up to that, not coasting off of it. It is nice to love Doctor Who. We all would prefer to love the show. I could strain myself harder and harder every episode to try and find redemptive readings. I could contort myself into absurd lines of argument to try and address the endless criticisms people will continue to find for the episodes. I could try to poke holes in previous eras to make this seem like it’s not that different. But the fact is that it’s just not worth it. This is not good enough. I’m not satisfied with this, and I’m not going to try and force myself to be just because it’s nicer to enjoy things. Jodie deserved better than that script, that script deserved better than that direction, and the show deserved better than that episode.
No.113636
>>113630
would you agree with the notion that TWWFTE is a teal episode, and Ghost Monument is looking like an orange episode?
No.113639
No.113640
>>113635
>Jodie deserved better than that script, that script deserved better than that direction, and the show deserved better than that episode.
I agree that Jodie and the show both deserved something better, but I don't know if the script really deserved anything other than what it got. Most of it felt like a half-arsed first draft attempt for me.
No.113641
>>113639
I've heard a transwoman describe how unpleasant sex to her when she still identified as a man as feeling like an orgasm was just "pushing the poison out"; both the literal production of ejaculate and dampening the dysphoric rage of testosterone-fuelled need for release.
"Pushing the poison out" is precisely how I feel even talking about that episode.
No.113642
Here’s my review:
It was okay, I’ve watched it twice and still enjoyed it despite its definite flaws
No.113643
>>113641
So… you're trans?
No.113644
>>113641
What do you think of sandy’s take on the episode?
No.113645
>>113644
That if you ever find me defending something on the basis of it not being outright worthless, snap me out of it.
No.113648
>>113641
>"pushing the poison out"; both the literal production of ejaculate and dampening the dysphoric rage of testosterone-fuelled need for release.
I'd almost describe it the same way, however a pleasurable experience. Orgasm, not the episode. I was mostly unimpressed except for the 'sound'.
No.113649
No.113650
If every non-Chib ep is still co-written by Chibnall I'm going to need to stop watching these sober.
No.113651
>>113650
The 'writers room' thing was just code for Chibnall co-writing every episode.
No.113652
No.113653
>>113648
>Cloister's in to sounding
No.113654
>>113651
Imagine if Gatiss had come on and we had a co-Gatiss-Chibnall script. Christ.
No.113655
From DWM
11x03 Rosa
11x04 James
11x05 Gandhi
11x06 Spiders in Sheffield
No.113656
I cant attend stream today :(
Can't upload confidentionals either, I'm so so sorry
No.113657
>>113655
>Spiders in Sheffield
No.113658
>>113656
No worries! Oh, speaking of confidentials, I've uploaded them all! You should check out the very revamped archive page, now including all the comics, short stories, confidentials, etc!
https://fuckofferino.wiki/wiki/User_blog:NeoCLSTR/Torchwood_(Neo's_Archive)
Friday probably won't work for me. Maybe Saturday, or just wait until Monday?
No.113659
>>113653
Oh fuck no. I had surgery once and they had to catheter me…I'll die before I let someone do anything like that again.
No.113660
>>113655
First three based, fourth cringe
No.113661
>>113660
If they were going for the whole one episode titles thing why not just call it 'Spiders'? Especially if you're just going to call an episode 'James'
No.113662
No.113663
No.113664
Moffat killed Doctor Who…. by handing it over to Chibnall.
No.113665
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
mood when realising we're in for at least three years of this
No.113666
>>113665
>3 years
Doesn't he have a five year plan?
No.113667
Between Chibnall doing S11 and BF doing prequels to Talons, where am I meant to get good Doctor Who in [current year]?
No.113668
No.113669
>>113666
Strevens is the one who said that (though of Chibnall, to be fair) but I'd point out Moffat had a five-year-plan he only did two years of; it's not uncommon to settle the higher-ups with a brand plan. Chibnall didn't even do the 3 years of Broadchurch straight and has always said he likes changing jobs (TOS, who has read more Chib interviews than anyone else can back me up there) so I don't foresee him actually doing more than 3 series, and he has too much TV sense to do a hiatus year or two.
No.113670
I'mma bring the pain to you
This is not a game but it's…
Something different when you rising with elegance
There's fire in my eyes and death is on my breath
I cook in Hell's kitchen, so you should watch your step
I'm burning every day, my soul, there's nothing left
Everything I say is contrary to belief
And saying something deep, my speech is rap poison
No.113671
When will Sherlock series 5 happen?
No.113672
>>113671
Probably 3/4 years off at least if they even get around to doing it. Moff's busy with The Time Traveller's Wife and Dracula for a while and even then they didn't seem overly keen on doing more when S4 was released.
No.113673
>>113672
Is there any reason they couldn't keep doing these once or twice a decade basically forever?
No.113674
>>113671
After The Time Traveller's Wife and Dracula S1.
No.113676
>>113671
is it going to happen? I thought Sherlock was done for good
No.113677
>>113673
In theory no, as long as they can work out schedules which is probably the toughest thing for them, although it's probably easier than it was a few years back. It's always had a strange release pattern, though. S1 was 2010, then 2012 was S2, S3 was 2014 and then S4 in 2017 with a special in 2016. I think what might be stopping Moff in particular is a desire to do different things. He has mentioned though that they have the ability to just decide to do a series in 5 or 10 years because the age of the characters doesn't really matter.
No.113678
We're never gonna get a Doctor Who monster like this inside or beyond the Chibnall era, are we?
https://twitter.com/CinemamindDavid/status/1050160006866378752
No.113679
>>113678
Seems a bit too high budget for Who
No.113680
>>113624
Asylum has that "If all I said is true" song going on in the background during Amy's photoshoot
No.113682
>>113678
The show definitely needs to experiment with more abstract horror imagery, and keeping things shrouded in darkness so we are forced to imagine how horrible they must really look up close.
They had something going with the Hide monster, but the less said about how that turned out the better.
No.113683
No.113684
Lose time on Salad guy
Don't develop the character, why?
No.113685
>>113682
The 456 is a good example of this even though pictures of its full body exist online.
No.113686
>>113685
but they need to sell toys
No.113688
>>113687
Pure undistilled kino. Best TV I've seen in years.
No.113689
>>113687
>>113688
Do I need to watch Breaking Bad to watch BCS?
No.113690
>>113688
cough cough Twin Peaks
No.113691
>>113687
"Finally, after all these years, I have better become Saul."
No.113692
I just realized "The Woman Who Fell to Earth" applies equally to the Doctor and Ryan's Nan.
>>113688
Rate The Woman Who Fell to Earth out of 10.
No.113693
Do you think the Tardis breakdown and Tim Shaw arrival are related?
No.113694
>>113693
bit of a coincidence otherwise. But idk maybe.
No.113695
>>113689
No, part of the kino is how it works as a prequel/sequel but it is certainly self-contained enough to watch standalone.
>>113690
The best thing I've seen since the Return.
>>113692
2.
No.113696
overnights for ghost monument to drop to around 6m?
No.113697
I will now a do marathon on Chris Noth L&O
No.113698
No.113699
>>113696
I am yelling TIMBER
No.113700
No.113701
>>113696
That sounds reasonable.
No.113702
What more periods of time would be insensitive to visit and add some alien ellement?
No.113703
>watch Twice Upon a Time before the S11 premiere
>Marigold kino-ing it up
>ends on a variation of A Good Man, the as-of-yet unreleased Where There's Tears There's Hope, and The Shepherd's Boy
>The Woman Who Fell to Earth premieres
>music is nonexistent or just background noise
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No.113706
Post unintentional comedy.
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>>113630
>>113631
>>113632
>>113633
>>113635
Nice well-articulated write-up. I mostly agree with your critisisms but there's something I disagree about.
I thought the jump was nice. I'm not opposed to Dr Who being partially an action hero once in a while, and I thought the jump was a nice symbol of Doctor learning the possibilies of her new body. It's very convenient for post-regen story in particular. Also "these legs used to be longer" is one of the funniest lines for me this ep.
I don't think that Chibnall is that ashamed of Doctor Who. I like all your points but consider the series' structure: no real arc, episodes set in the past, big TARDIS team, even the theme and the howlaround - it's clearly inspired by the Lambert formula. In a way it's going back to its very roots. While being clunkily merged with capeshit and abrams movies, it embraces the structure which defined Doctor Who back in 1963.
I can be horribly wrong about it without watching the following episodes, but I get this impression and I think it's pretty cool.
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>>113703
please keep your racial prejudices to yourself
No.113709
>>113704
Flying Spaghetti Monster depiction is insensitive
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>>113706
why kill poor white boomer?
No.113713
>>113706
>"ugh I'm too lazy to develop this villain, just make him kill innocents"
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No.113716
Segun score is purest Lyre
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>>113718
This bothered me too, but then I realised it's just Jodie's dialect.
No.113722
>>113719
What does he mean by that?
No.113723
>>113720
I thought it was interesting how accentuated it was.
No.113724
>>113720
It was not as bad as I expected
No.113725
We need a episode about Gangstalking
No.113726
>>113719
Levine should sue.
No.113727
>>113626
Um, actually it was Muse.
Dusty Springfield was later.
No.113728
>>113700
>1 extremely positive review
>2 middling "eh" reviews
Pretty good for a Chibnall episode I guess
No.113730
>>113703
>>113705
>>113708
Funniest posts I've read on /who/ in absolutely ages
No.113731
>>113700
>Is anyone else getting a sort of Enlightenment vibe from this ep?
If you mean because it's shit, then yeah, I'm getting a few.
No.113732
>>113731
>Enlightenment
I never got it this episode
No.113733
Why did the Doctor constantly misname T'Zim-Sha? A little troubling for a so-called progressive series that should be supportive of people being called what they want.
No.113734
>>113731
Name one aspect of Enlightenment that isn't kino.
No.113735
>>113733
Because the TARDIS was not there to translate
so… how did they talk to Tim Shaw?
oops
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>>113733
Twitter bait, anon. I'm surprised a little "#DoctorWho" wasn't popping up on occasion throughout the episode to ram home that we're in the Tinfoil Age
No.113739
>>113734
Only ever seen it once about 11 years ago on UKTVGold and I found it despairingly boring.
No.113740
>>113733
Actually upset the Doctor would mock a non native individual over his name. Is this the message we should be spreading?
No.113741
>>113734
The black guardian
No.113742
>>113735
perhaps he learned human english because Earth is a very popular hunting around, kek
for real though I have no idea
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>>113742
That's alright, TOS, I doubt Chibnall knows either.
No.113745
>>113740
The Doctor also used the colour of his skin as a pejorative.
No.113747
>>113746
prepare to get LYNCHED
No.113748
episodes 3-5 are the most important part of s11 as for now, if they are bad it'll kill historicals again and it'll be very awkward to have bad episodes about Rosa fucking Parks and Ghandi
No.113749
>RTDcucks say the Moffchad era took all the campy fun away
>Chinball era is zero fun at all
No.113750
>>113748
what if pregnament man is the offpsring of Gandhi and Rosa
No.113751
Is anyone else excited 'cause I'm really excited
No.113753
>>113751
nah, any recurring dw actor?
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>>113751
Could be kino. I'm excited for Dracula too
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>>113756
Who will we shill?
No.113759
>>113758
Showrunner or Doctor?
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>>113758
Maybe Mathieson will have more experience by then. You wouldn't like my top pick. Brooker or Iannucci are dream picks that won't happen.
No.113763
In this haloween my costume will be sexy Nilso
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>>113757
I feel about Salad Man the way Neo feels about Beep the Meep.
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>>113766
I would like to have a Muse here
No.113768
>If I were creating a new Doctor I would make your head spin with the surprising directions I would go. Obviously can't reveal them here… But I Have Plans…
Jamie Mahtieson, 2017
No.113769
>>113761
Not a clue for showrunner but I'd personally shill for a Mark Bonnar Doctor.
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>>113764
Eat my salad… or I'll have to get nasty…
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No.113775
>Showrunning something would be nice. I have a few irons in the fire in that direction. But if we're really talking ten years… half way through my showrunning of Who, obviously, after Chris does an amazing seven years.
Mathieson, 2017
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No.113780
Jamie Mathieson.
Peter Harness.
Sarah Dollard.
A trinity known as the "Capaldi Dreamers"
No.113781
>>113780
>Sarah Dollard.
oh no no no no no
No.113782
Is Blackman the new Dollard?
No.113783
>>113781
she's a really solid writer
No.113784
>>113783
but the SJW elements too toxic
No.113785
>>113784
You wanna know how I know you're an Angstrom, Judy?
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No.113787
From the epic desert locales to underground tunnels, everything is lavishly directed by Mark Tonderai.
No.113788
Epzo will be the lead of new adult-oriented Doctor Who spin-off.
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>>113782
Not if her debut episode gets ruined by the Chibnall co-write, she isn't.
No.113791
>>113780
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.
No.113792
Toby Whithouse > Mathieson
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>>113792
Whithouse is the only possible person who could have made a worse S11 than what we're getting.
No.113795
>>113794
Harumph, I heartly disagree, humbug
No.113796
I want a Dorney TV episode
No.113797
in the parallel universe where Sarah Dollard is showrunner, we'll all enjoying sjw-kino. Instead we're gonna see a white british woman inspire Rosa Parks, who will then fight aliens
No.113798
>>113796
I want Dorney to grow a sense of ethics and retire from writing forever.
No.113799
>>113798
redpill on this, please
No.113800
>>113797
It is called ST Discovery
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>>113799
Dorney is a hack that coasts off how the bare minimum of being able to write characters at all makes him seem like Shakespeare in comparison to the rest of BF's lot.
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>>113801
what about his ethics?
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>>113802
It is unethical to subject so many (well, you know what I mean) people to his work.
No.113804
dont disturb kinda hes verging
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>>113801
Which is the one you like, Fitton? I can never remember if it's Fitton or Dorney
No.113806
remember when Doctor Who was good?
No.113807
>>113805
he hates both apparently
but likes Nev
No.113808
When I post about the Salad Man I mock the pretence of it; its sheer absurdity. I mock the fact that it is the kind of Doctor Who that Chris Chibnall attempts to stand for: strange and ever-changing and astonishing.
I mock it because it tries to be all those things but instead, unknowingly, becomes vapid, too off-base both in context and in the medium of TV in its lack of self-awareness.
The normies have misunderstood this.
The normies have taken it as a statement of a fresh, "comical" Doctor Who.
The meme is over.
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>>113805
Goss is the only inhouse BF writer I like. Dorney is miles better than Fitton but he's overrated and has been stagnating for about five years now; Infamy of the Zaross is the only interesting thing he's done in years and years and it is not a classic.
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>>113808
as if Pigbin Josh did not exist
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>>113807
Lidster is much better than Nev.
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>>113797
>tfw ywn see Cletuses btfo by Sarah Dollard era
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>>113812
I can't remember that many off the top of my head, but of the regulars, Goss is my favourite, I think Lidster is really good…Dorney has strong stuff but he verges me for the reasons I've said. Fitton is easily the worst. Nev's not too bad. Adams is usually extremely workmanlike/mediocre but occasionally he produces kino. Someone should make a pie chart or something of BF writers in a given year. Briggs is parody-tier now but was actually legit good many years ago. Andrew Smith is bland to bad. Platt is obviously good. Morris is the definition of mediocre. Robson is much the same, but slightly better. I like David Llewellyn.
No.113816
What's something Doctor Who-related that's empty, cold, uninviting, and sterile, as if nobody has lived there in a long time, if at all?
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>>113816
Cat's bank account
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>>113814
No, they're probably not, leave them alone
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No.113822
Guy Adams is alright. More of his Torchwood to come in the marathon.
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>>113822
what about that X-Attack dude?
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>>113815
All Lidster's TV work (Torchwood: A Day in the Death – Sarah Jane Adventures: Mark of the Berserker, The Mad Woman in the Attic, The Nightmare Man) was good except The Mad Woman in the Attic, and even that was solid. All focuses very much on the individual character and their internal struggles. Master is very much the same; The Rapture I will forever give due for being experimentally interesting. Not heard much of his other work. Should probably listen to The Gathering and The Reaping because I liked The Harvest and wasn't aware it was part of a loose trilogy when I listened to it. How's Terra Firma?
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>>113825
Terror Firma is GOAT. Too sleep-deprived to write up a review, but is GOAT.
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>>113827
>Judy's favorite 🙄
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>>113825
Terror Firma is pretty good
No.113831
Watched episode again. Fucking hell lads, I want to hate it but I can't. I really like the cold Autumn/Winter atmosphere. And I'm having really bad problems with this crush on Jodie Doctor. She's cute CUTE!! I think I must have liked the Doctor all along but it's only just now becoming compatible with my sexuality. I want to marry her desu.
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>>113829
Well, you know what they say about a broken clock
No.113834
>>113816
Class is still a bit open and still has a lot of current fans. Give it five-ten years.
No.113835
>>113831
>I want to hate it
Why? I want to like it and really can't. Nice to hear of another /who/re who enjoyed it.
No.113836
>>113835
I enjoyed it too!
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>>113835
>Why?
If Neo hated, we all should do the same, it is the law
No.113838
>>113816
Ian Levine's Shada
No.113840
>>113831
Your erection blinds you from the mediocrity that is JodieWho
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>>113832
It must be how Amy felt in The Eleventh Hour. I've been watching Doctor Who since I was a kid and Jodie Doctor makes me feel a certain way. It's like a bittersweet nostalgia for something I never even experienced, like I could almost reach out and touch it.
No.113842
Will Peele's Twilight Zone be better than new seasons of Black Mirror?
No.113843
>>113840
Jodie Doctor is sweet. Please don't conflate any badness on the part of the production team with Jodie. Two totally different things. She's cute and has nice hands!
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>>113845
epzos childhood was a fucking nightmare
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No.113848
When was Rosa Parks rumor first posted?
No.113849
>>113848
Very early on, maybe june?
No.113850
>>113846
I dont wanna spoil it but it involves Jimmy Saville
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No.113852
Regarding why Tim Shaw was climbing and didn't just use teleport - maybe he just had a cooldown? It's not like his species is very advanced in terms of transport, this travel pod was very clunky, so maybe he used teleport only in critical situations?
No.113853
The teleporting a the end could have been more directed
like focusing on Jodie disappearing, showing her in space and have the surprise of having the gang there
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>>113852
A lot of movies and tv shows have a character teleport nearby and then walk the last part to be cool. I have a headcanon about it though. Teleporting has got to be a risky process, regardless of context. You dont teleport into a battlefield, you teleport nearby and walk in. (this accounts for most scifi stuff where this happens). Tim Shaw is a perfect example though. You teleport up to a crane and it's a metre off? you're gonna fall to your death. I would teleport to nearby and make my own way up, personally. If it's a metre off, you're just a metre away.
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>>113856
This makes sense too.
No.113858
Skelly likes System of a Down
No.113859
>>113856
"mental gymnastics for a plot device" course now available on Chibby University
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>>113859
Oh dont get me wrong, the episode has plot holes, and it's pretty stupid. But it's honestly a hobby of mine to come up with weird little fan theories, and think about this stuff far more than the writer probably did.
No.113865
>>113860
Both Lalo and the Doctor like falling through ceilings
No.113866
>>113864
the irony that we care about this and payed writers don't
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>>113865
That was absolutely hilarious.
No.113869
>its a Lalo follows Mike episode
No.113871
Soundtracks:
S9 > S6 > S5 > S8 > S7 > S4 > S1&2 > S3
No.113872
>>113866
This would be funny if it wasn't 100% true
No.113873
Well done, Tim Shaw. Yes, well done. However…
No.113874
>>113871
Insert S4 Specials between S8 and S7
No.113875
>>113867
*sings in Mexican*
>>113869
Mhhhmmmmm…… walTUh
No.113876
>>113873
kek. A member of Tim Shaw's species that makes Tim Shaw look like a cuck
No.113878
>collects teeth
>comes to England
How retarded can one species be?
No.113879
>>113877
He's just so damn loveable. Look at that smile. A brainy Salamanca is a downright terrifying idea.
No.113880
No.113881
American B-Listers, Chris Noth tier celebs, that could be in nuwho?
No.113882
>>113879
He's a real shot in the arm for the show, really reminds me of how Gus was introduced near the end of BB S2.
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>>113885
Vale Nilsem > Vale > Vale Decem
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No.113888
Which upcoming episode seems like it's going to be the most boring to you?
For me it's the spiders one.
No.113889
>>113888
Monument desu. I'm most interested in The Witchfinders and The Indian Element.
No.113890
>>113873
Channel Zero was kino, want to get S2 and 3 at some point soon
No.113891
>>113889
>the indian element
imagine if you meme this title into existence aswell
No.113892
>>113888
All of them, no joke
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>>113888
Ghost Monument, everything from that point on can only be uphill.
No.113896
When will it be Kim's turn to play the Doctor?
No.113897
>>113895
yfw stays the same
No.113898
>>113878
kek. so many of those teeth were white. Must have been visiting the rest of europe
No.113899
>>113888
The only ones we properly know anything about are Ghost Monument, Rosa Parks, Charles I, Spiders and Prego-Man. Out of those ones I'm looking least forward to the spider one, I guess. If we knew anything about any other eps I'd be able to give a more precise answer
No.113900
>>113899
the indian element
the irish one
No.113901
>>113900
That's called Green Skies.
No.113902
still at least 3 eps we know L I T E R A L L Y nothing about
No.113903
>>113902
Which is so kino. Love how Chib's managed that.
No.113905
>tfw can't say I'm least looking forward to one of the historical episodes because everyone'll say I'm a racist
No.113906
>>113905
Even acknowledging that Rosa sounds like it's going to be a shitshow, at least it will be a fascinating one. That counts for something in this ideas-last era.
No.113907
>>113906
I'm really ambivalent on the Rosa ep. I want to look forward to it because I remember liking Malorie Blackman so I think it's only fair to give her a chance but seeing that Chibnall has his hands anywhere near the writing fills me with a bit of dread. On the other hand, I'm looking forward to it for the wrong reasons as well.
No.113908
Predict historical rankings
India ep > James ep > Rosa ep
No.113909
>>113908
James / India / Rosa since I'm not sure on the genre/intent for the India episode
No.113910
>>113900
i 100% guarantee there wont be an irish episode. that rumour was shaky from the get go.
No.113911
>>113909
>>113908
Agree with Nilso here, the india wp is a bit of an unknown quantity. I am excited for a non-white culture being portrayed in new who for once. (not even from an sjw pov, im just bored of victorian london, ww2, and new york)
No.113912
The pregnant man episode is guaranteed kopfkino.
No.113913
the only thing im intrigued about with episode 2 is thr ribbons. whatever is wrong with the ribbons, they are visually interesting
No.113914
>>113910
>that rumour was shaky from the get go.
You mean the rumour about there being one historical about black people, one historical about Indian people, and one about Irish people? Is it really that shaky a rumour when it's about half confirmed already?
No.113915
Interesting bit of info about India ep, Chibnall actually said that Umbreen (Amita Suman's character) is "one of his most anticipated characters" this series. Thoughts?
No.113916
>>113911
I might rate the Indian episode higher but atm it's safer to hedge my bets and go for what's fact instead of speculation.
No.113917
>>113915
Umbreon's not a very good Eeveelution. Mind you, none of them are particularly stellar, but Umbreon's not the brightest of the bunch.
Can't say anything because I have literally no idea what to expect.
No.113918
it's surreal to think that series 12 filming starts in a month
No.113919
>>113918
What's Jodie's hair look like presently?
No.113920
>>113918
>tfw Jodie won't have a haircut like image related
crying shame
No.113921
>>113919
Seems the same as S11.
No.113922
Richard Clark (director of Doctor's Wife and Gridlock) tweeted "Reading scripts for next gig shooting Feb. And there are aliens."
No.113923
>>113547
i was confused when she said 'go home' to tim shaw
maybe she wasn't meant to have actually killed him but the direction didn't make it clear enough
No.113925
Contrast 14 to 13 by having him be a genuine working class, Ray Winstone-esque incarnation
No.113926
>>113923
I got that impression too. But either way it wasn't emphasized well enough so it sucked.
No.113927
>>113922
>gig shooting
I've been waiting for this moment.
No.113928
>>113922
>gig shooting
RIP, I thought England was safe
No.113929
>>113922
>RTD era director coming back AGAIN after already making a meal of two Moffat episodes
oh no no NO NO
No.113930
>>113929
*Moffat-era episodes
No.113931
who wrote the script for gig shooting
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>>113561
I really like this idea, especially the whole "sorting out fair play throughout the universe", that could totally hint at a god complex and the doc assuming she's the centre of the universe.
No.113933
>>113931
The answer lies within your sentence.
No.113934
>>113922
Good episodes or not, Gridlock, Night Terrors and The Lazarus Experiment are all well-directed. The Doctor's Wife goes without saying.
No.113936
>>113630
>Tfw that copy pasta was frequently posted by us in jest because we genuinely thought his era was going to be kino.
No.113937
Who else /hype/ to watch the Reddit subs devolve into political flamebaiting during/after the Rosa episode?
No.113938
>>113937
>implying it'll be just the Reddit subs and not everywhere
No.113939
>>113937
That'll be fun. Cats (or anyone else around), do you fancy riling up some /pol/lacks when it's on?
No.113940
>>113937
I thought r/gal wasn't allowed to be problematic?
No.113941
>>113937
An episode about a white woman inspiring Rosa Parks? The boardies will be praising it.
No.113942
>>113655
>Spiders in Sheffield
HALLOWEEN CONFIRMED BASED BASED BASED
No.113944
Actually, it should be called Arachnids in Albion.
No.113945
Spiders episode must be written by Ed Hime
No.113946
Fun Sandifer trivia: The title "Last War in Albion" was explicitly inspired by Faction Paradox.
http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/saturday-waffling-august-24th-2013/
No.113947
Just before the Cybership is blown up in Revenge of the Cybermen, the Cyber Leader says "Engage full thrust! Deploy _!" but the score is so loud and the Cyber voices are so shit no one can figure out what he's saying. It sounds like "Deploy aubergines", personally.
>CYBERMAN: There's a missile on our port bow.
>LEADER: Engage full thrust! Deploy
>(KaBOOM!)
No.113948
>tfw you throw your bike off a cliff
No.113949
>>113947
I've actually seen the script for that episode, let me dig around.
No.113950
>>113947
80s Cybermen are fantastic
No.113951
>>113949
I checked mutiple transcripts online and all of them cut off at "Deploy"
No.113952
Saward was one of the greatest, most novel visionaries of Classic Who and is criminally underrated.
No.113953
Classic to Rusell to Chibnall
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>>113950
I do enjoy 80's Cibbies but I think we can all agree that Revenge is probably their poorest outing in Classic Who
No.113955
>>113952
Do you actually mean that or are you memeing
No.113956
File: 7dbc6c979d2c7f7⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 5.42 KB, 643x160, 643:160, revenge of the cybermen sn….PNG)
>>113949
>>113951
No, I have a scan of the actual original script. Here it is:
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>>113955
I mean it, his era was rocky but mostly not because of him.
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>>113960
What's your opinion on Saward Who's ruthlessness and its tendancy to be overly brutal and cruel?
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>>113956
>>113950
>>113949
>>113947
>>113960
Top kek. And now for the actual helpful image.
No.113963
>>113962
Based, thanks a lot. I prefer deploy aubergine
No.113964
>>113961
Pure kino. Saward's essential disinterest in the Doctor is fucking amazing in retrospect; that simply could not happen in NewWho. He has the cynicism of RTD but without the humanism, a much greater fascination with violence, and a frankly weird fixation on space mercenaries. The fact he basically fucking tried to diminish the actual role of the Doctor himself in season 22 is ridiculously ballsy. Heightened focus on continuity but lowered focus on idealisation of the Doctor, what a perfect approach to a show aware it was past its glory years. The show felt so much more interesting when it was taking place in a brutal and cruel universe, one with awareness of the past but not a NewWho esque fetishisation of the Doctor's role in it.
No.113965
>>113635
thank you for putting all this into words
it's weird that i didn't even care that there was a new doctor. it just seemed less important. i went into the eleventh hour extremely excited to see how everything had changed, but most of all to see how matt smith was going to play it. i came away even more excited than i could have imagined. with this i just sort of knew exactly how jodie was going to do it and came away like 'yeah, basically what i imagined but with even less to do than i thought'. not her fault though, it's still cool that she was cast.
No.113966
Thoughts on Saward? Particularly interested in Nilso and N8's.
No.113967
Is the Saward/JNT fallout the juiciest piece of Classic drama that we have a clear picture of?
No.113968
>>113966
Ahead of his time.
No.113969
>>113964
I quite like the Saward Era because it paints a different story about how people survive and get by on in the Universe. While it's true that people do get on well and live unblemished lives, Saward-Who does show that a lot of people have mundane, degrading and oftentimes dangerous occupations such as mercenary work. While minimising the main character in his own show to show a bigger picture in the more volatile areas of the Universe is an… interesting move, I think that in some stories it's done to an extent where it's almost silly (mainly Caves of Androzani and Revelation of the Daleks where the Doctor/Companion might as well not even be in it since they feature so minutely). It does feel like another show in some places, especially with certain scenes of previously-unseen levels of violence (Earthshock / Resurrection / Attack / Revelation's bodycount, Lytton getting his hands pulped on-screen and a whole myriad of unfair shit.)
I love it.
No.113970
Saward Who is more interesting to think about than it is to watch.
No.113971
>>113969
On the other hand I can see why it's a contentious subject for people since it's fairly argued to be almost excessive. FWIW when discussing it with my father (who watched from Pertwee to McCoy), he made the point to say that his mother caught a bit of a particularly violent story (Can't remember which, probably Resurrection) and told him not to watch Who anymore since, in her words "This is nothing but filth and it'll rot your brain."
>>113970
Yeah, probably. A lot of it is visually sterile to the point of distraction spare a few things.
No.113972
>>113970
Yeah I think that's fair. Sandy describes him as a writer with better taste and vision than actual writing, and I'd more or less agree. I love his take on Doctor Who but that didn't reliably produce masterpieces or anything (although in a kind of meta s18ish fashion, his scripts usually not being GREAT kinda fits).
>>113969
Great take. Would you agree he made the universe feel a lot bigger?
No.113973
Imagine Saward doing Capaldi, and if the BBC let them get away with some of the stuff the Capaldi era got away with
No.113974
>>113972
>Would you agree he made the universe feel a lot bigger?
Please elaborate
No.113975
I wish Capaldi had written an episode himself.
No.113976
What are the Saward Target novelisations like?
Saward also wrote several Target novelisations, mostly based upon stories he wrote or contributed to. His novelisations were:
Doctor Who and the Visitation
The Twin Dilemma
Slipback
Attack of the Cybermen
Target Books failed to secure an agreement that would have seen Saward's two Daleks serials novelised either by Saward himself or by others. They remain the only two stories from the classic TV series never officially adapted. The 1989 publication of Saward's adaptation of Attack of the Cybermen actually post-dated his falling out with the Doctor Who production team by several years. He contributed to the Davros Connections and The Lost Season documentaries. His favourite snack is a chocolate hobnob.[source needed]
No.113977
>>113975
Him directing would have been more likely, there's an interview somewhere where he talks about the idea and explains why he didn't go for it.
>>113974
Downplaying the Doctor, depicting a lot of nihilistic kind of violence and drudgery across the universe, making the Doctor seem like a small fry. There are Saward-overseen scripts that, like Nilso says, you could nearly remove the Doctor from entirely and they'd still work.
No.113978
>>113972
Yeah, I would argue that, but it's not like Who hasn't gone into the more mundane and unfair aspects before Saward Who. It's not often spoken about and glossed over because it's almost boring to the point of death, but Colony in Space is a good starter to show that humans can be irreparably unfair and contemptuous towards one another for something as simple as pure and (dis)honest profit.
>>113976
I've read Attack of the Cybermen before and I posted some excerpts on /tv/ before. A lot of it is just basic padding with some small sections of character building. The excerpt I was talking about on /tv/ was from the scene where three people get killed trying to break into the Time Vessel Docking Bay - Saward just added a section at the end saying that the human had no clue where he was, what he was doing, where he was going to go; this didn't matter to him, as he was just happy to be wanted and didn't care that he was dead as he was holding more money in his one hand than he'd ever had in his entire life. Essentially richer in death than in life.
No.113979
>>113976
I also read the fan novel of Resurrection online. It's not very good, nor is it very long.
No.113982
>>113979
I actually think we'd pull off a better version.
No.113983
>>113980
I like the idea of them going back to a well known historical event but I'm worried about the way they're going to force aliens into it. It's clear how scared they are of doing anything that doesn't contain a monster of the week in some capacity.
No.113984
>>113981
For fucks sake man. Why can't the villain just be racism?
No.113986
I'm still convinced that at least one of those three will have no monster of the week
No.113987
>>113986
Would be ballsy from Chibs. I mean when was the last time an episode didn't have one some way or another? I definitely think there'll be some sort of alien/monster to defeat in all of them but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
No.113988
No.113989
Pick your antagonist for Rosa
>Time travelling racist wants to undo civil rights progress, take America back to the 50s, etc.
OR
>Time travelling businessman from far future doesn't have any personal investment in the issue but wants to undo civil rights progress because it means he'll make more money from the new future Earth
No.113990
>>113987
>I mean when was the last time an episode didn't have one some way or another?
I can't even remember. Hell Bent? But even that had cloister wraiths.
No.113991
No.113992
>>113989
Idk but it'll probably be the second and the villain will say that its not about racism as in the future such concepts as skin colour mean nothing or whatever
No.113993
However good Segun's score for the whole series ends up being I still kind of wish they'd decided to hire a different composer for each episode. I'm not sure if leitmotifs would be sacrificed because surely the composers would collaborate to some extent. A 'composer's room' of sorts.
>>113990
Yeah even in Hell Bent they had a few cameos and they weren't really needed for the story but they felt the need to include them.
No.113995
Was it every said if the Whale thing in Thin Ice was extraterrestrial? If not, wouldn't it technically be a pure historical?
No.113996
>>113994
>tfw can't somehow magically merge True Detective into S11
No.113998
>>113997
I want to cuddle Jodie!
No.113999
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>>113981
This image and image attached are in the trailer. Also, the character in the image attached is the greaser from the "Coming Soon" section played by Josh Bowman. The story is NOT a pure historical.
No.114000
No.114001
>>113999
I forgot to mention that he's firing a laser as well but that's obvious.
No.114002
>aliens in a rosa park episode
wtf? isn't that gonna be super offensive? why can't we get one episode without fucking aliens christ. plus its so lazy to put the doctor into popular historical events. they can't write anything interesting themselves so they have to rely on something people might already have an emotional attachment too.
i'm excited for series 11 but this episode sounds pure shit.
No.114003
>>113998
Track her down and pretend you have a mental problem and she'll definitely.
No.114004
okay pic related better deliver then
No.114005
"Hey, is that a pure historical you're looking forward to? It'd be a shame if something happened to it, wouldn't it?"
No.114007
>tfw Blackman brings back The War Lords who are trying to recruit the most virulent racists from all of human history to form into an army
Would it be kino?
No.114008
Imagine a comfy pure historical in feudal Japan as a two parter where they actually dress in clothes from the time like they used to. Imagine the Doctor in a Kimono.
No.114009
No.114010
>>114008
it'll happen in series 13
No.114011
>>114007
not in a singular story, would feel too rushed.
No.114012
>>114009
I'm no weeb, feudal Japan is the only part of Japanese culture I'm even remotely interested in
No.114013
I'm sure Blackman is well aware what's offensive and what's not but I'm still kind of sad
No.114014
>>114013
I feel nothing but I think that's because I was expecting nothing in the first place whereas you were expecting something good
No.114015
>>113999
>that cringe shot of dude firing a laser directly at the camera is from Rosa
oh no nO NFOEONn fHGHHERAAAAAH
No.114016
Rosa and Martin are just gonna be cameos right? The villain will be the main focus.
No.114017
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
No.114018
>>114016
MLK will be a cameo.
Rosa will be the emotional centre of the story.
No.114019
>>114016
>rosa
>cameo
HMM, WHAT'S THE TITLE AGAIN?
No.114020
Mark Addy - ???
Julie Hesmondhalgh - ???
Shane Zaza - India
Shobna Gulati - spiders ep
Shaun Dooley - 11x2
Brett Goldstein - space hospital / pregnant men episode
Josh Bowman - 11x3
Siobhan Finneran - Witch finders?
Lee Mack - ???
Lois Chimimba - space hospital / pregnant men episode
Susan Lynch - 11x2
Hamza Jeetoa - India
Art Malik - 11x2
Suzanne Packer - ???
Vinette Robinson - 11x3
Amita Suman - India
Ben Bailey Smith - ???
Phyllis Logan - ???
Alan Cumming - Witch finders
Chris Noth - ???
No.114021
No.114022
No.114023
>>114020
Hesmondhalgh and Mack are the same ep which might be the mpreg one.
No.114024
maximum lonely rn fellas.
No.114025
No.114026
>>114025
I thought it was one of the better moments desu
>>114024
YANA
No.114027
>>114024
just have a sleep, then you won't be consciously aware you're lonely
No.114028
I will shill India ep every day from now on.
No.114029
>>114024
I'm here for you, anon.
No.114030
>>114025
As someone who dislikes the episode and thinks 13 is a bad character so far, "I wouldof" was actually one of her better moments. The honesty makes her seem a bit more fallible and human, and the implied solidarity with Ryan (where 9 might have called him a stupid ape or something) shows she's not putting herself on a pedestal above human disputes.
No.114031
>Saward
cringe. Just… cringe.
No.114032
No.114034
Neo's review was really good; I hope that cringe anon doesn't come along and pretend we all suddenly hate the ep after reading it. Some anons here have made the same points from the review since it aired.
No.114035
>>114032
He'll be forgotten within a week.
No.114037
RYAN SINCLAIR DON'T YOU DARE THROW THAT BIKE THAT YOU DISLIKE
No.114038
>>113860
>obvious retcon character introduced at the end of a season
Lalo is the War Doctor of Better Call Saul
No.114039
>>114037
INTO THAT TREE
IN A FIT OF FURY
No.114040
GRAHAM O'BRIEN, STOP BULLYING RYAN
No.114041
>Amy was a fake cop and now Mandip Gill is a real cop. Damn.
Damn, Mandip's performance was so good she tricked this YouTube commenter into thinking she was a real cop
No.114042
>>114037
>>114039
>>114040
>tfw no rhyming companion
No.114043
>>114008
"The Barbarians and the Samurai" has Ian in samurai armor and barbara in a kimono
No.114044
People always get it wrong with /who/res, we take forever to die.
Even if we're removed from our board, every member of our threads keeps them up.
that's why we like to talk among our own kind, they know not to end threads early.
I think, in our current condition, it'll take us about, a week and a half to reach the /tv/ boards, I think, if we're lucky… we have a week and a half.
We have to do this, it's the only way.
We have to be strong.
We should've known from the very beginning, of course… the portrait of /who/… a jannie from our nightmares… this place, is our own bespoke torture chamber, intended for us only.
And all those threads in the archive.
How could there be other threads in our Hell?
The answer, of course, is there never were any other threads.
And the boards, they weren't in the wrong chans, and we haven't traveled away.
We've just been here a very, very long time.
No.114045
>>114043
I listened to that about a month ago, thats what got me wanting it on tele
No.114046
How long can we keep doing this /who/?
Burning the old threads, to make new ones…
No.114047
>"Yasmin" (i am not her friend) is immediately introduced as a character who wants to take on more responsibility.
>Finally, for the first time, she gets into a situation where she is responsible for Ryan and the situation on the train
>Meets the doctor
>INSTANTLY loses that small amount of authority and responsibility she had before even getting to do anything
Seriously what did chibnall mean by this?
No.114048
No.114049
>>114047
Minority women shouldn't be in the police
No.114050
Will the viewing figures hold up or revert back to the 4 millions?
No.114051
>>114050
6 million is my guess.
No.114052
>>114051
I meant over the full course of the series, but yeah, 6m is reasonable for next ep. Although I personally reckon it'll pull 7.
No.114053
>>114052
I guess with the cliffhanger… and it is on a Sunday. It very well could do 7. Should be interesting.
No.114054
Who would have thought Jodie Doctor would turn out to be so cute? I get painful warm feelings just thinking about it. She's really sweet and it's excruciating that she isn't real.
No.114055
>2018
>The Mara hasn't returned yet
What is this fuckery, lads
No.114056
>>114054
This is the type of post from a person that would kidnap Jodie and force her to act like the Doctor for the rest of her life.
No.114057
>>114054
why are you so insufferable
No.114058
>>114054
Remember.. don't fall in love.
You can spend the rest of your life with her, but she can't spend the rest of hers with you. Humans, we wither and decay. We get old and die. She'll just go on. It's the curse of the Time Lords.
Lads.. WE are Rose Tyler now
No.114059
>>114055
I've only seen Kinda once but I remember really enjoying it. Does Snakedance live up to Kinda? I never hear it praised.
No.114060
>>114059
Neo hates it but I like it.
No.114061
>Electricity I starts playing
No.114062
>>114059
>I never hear it praised
Moffat, Cornell and Shearman think it's unironically GOAT. I think it's a shitty sequel to Kinda, which is one of my favourite stories.
No.114063
Kinda / Snakedance / Cradle of the Snake
No.114064
>>114063
>Cradle of the Snake
Sounds like a fucking Len Kabasinski B-movie
No.114065
>>114056
I would never do that to anyone! I don't think it's right to do that sort of thing. And especially not to Jodie! How could you to someone so lovely?
>>114057
I'm sorry we can't get along. Maybe we could find some common ground. Have you seen Jodie Doctor? Do you think she's cute?
>>114058
So poignant ;_;
No.114066
No.114067
>>114064
It's a shame, really. Platt doesn't usually put out shit stories.
No.114068
jodie's crane doesn't have a handrail on the end in the first picture (from the moment when jodie runs and jumps to the other crane), but it does in earlier shots of the crane like the second picture
No.114069
Idk what's worse, people who like chib or people who think it's clever to write "Jodie Whittaker IS the doctor!" On everything
No.114070
>>114068
Good point.. it uh.. it.. well see she uses the sonic to uh.. it's actually.. it's, it's a part of the.. and it comes out.. Yas pressed a button to extend it, but it's sort.. it's.. wibbly wobbly..
No.114071
>>114069
definitely the latter
No.114072
>watching ep with family
>three females in room
>all giggle at close-up of sonic
>all laugh when the Doctor says it's multi-purpose
Still less awkward than Moffat's weird sex jokes I guess
No.114073
No.114074
>>114066
Not that anon but guessing it resembles 13's shirt
No.114075
>>114036
>mr hankey got kicked out of town because he made the PC babies cry and acted like a piece of shit about it
>he moves to springfield because they still accept racist awful beings like him, and apu welcomes him there
DWE?
No.114076
13 is literally "*holds up spork*" the character
No.114077
No.114078
le sonic is made out of spooooons!!!!!
No.114079
>>114076
Don't you at least think she's really sweet? Why don't you like her so much?
No.114080
at first I wondered why she was smiling so much at a spoon
then I heard someone suggest she was looking at her reflection, since it was the first time she had a good look at herself
No.114081
Making all the companions know each other was just an attempt to not waste time with each character introducing themselves to each other
No.114082
>>114080
Typical woman, always checking her reflection.
No.114083
>>114080
It's because of the irony of making a sonic screwdriver out of spoons after previously using a sonic spoon in that one book
No.114084
No.114085
No.114086
>>114083
>sonic spoon
what book?
No.114087
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No.114091
>>114090
Razor trying to get Bill converted. Handles=MAGA hat
No.114092
>>113655
Fuck me, those aren't actually the final titles are they?
No.114093
No.114094
>>114093
Maybe my expectations are just so low that those kind of shit titles seem realistic to me. I don't even know any more.
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