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The Doctor We Deserved edition

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>2018 - /u/wtfbbc informs /u/LegoK9 that linking to the Doctor Who General Wiki [[SJW|breaks "Rule 1"]] of Doctor Who [[Reddit|subreddits]]. Doctor Who dies


Is there any hope left for Series 11?


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Why was he so mean? :C



it is so funny that this made it in to the magazine



The Demons of Punjab.

>historical episode that explores the hidden past of Yaz's grandma

>writer is Indian-descended and is exploring his own heritage/culture (as opposed to Chibnall who is writing about nothing)

>writer is so based he checked out a spinoff Who book dealing with the same historical setting just to make sure he didn't tread on its toes

>not a pure historical, but might actually justify having monsters because it's set in a traumatic period of history for a country steeped in religious tradition and mythology

It honestly sounds like it could save S11.



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Oh no.



The Guest writer episodes, so 6-9. If a couple of them are decent, I could probably hang on until next year.



RIP. Thoughts with his family and Russell.


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Just finished Ghost Light.

I don't think I've ever been as on edge or creeped out by a Doctor Who story this much



Congratulations, you just experienced primo kino.



This isn't real



How do you know this?


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He made us happy so many times… but there's nothing we can do to make him feel better now.

It hurts.



It really is. I'll probably need a rewatch soon, and to maybe read the novelisation.

I don't have much Classic to watch now, kinda feel sad. It's crazy that it was getting this good only to be axed.



I've randomly visited GB thread on RTD, I found out it there. I decided to check it myself, skimmed through RTD's friends social media and found this: https://www.instagram.com/p/BowTnGeFoE_/?utm_source=ig_web_options_share_sheet

He also posted two photos of him and Andrew together and disabled comments, which he never did before.



How do you feel about the cinematography of Series 11?



It's dishonest filmmaking



Wow…I don't know what to say. It's all a bit empty wishing him the best on an 8chan board.

Fuck, I hope he keeps himself together.

I wonder whether it was a terminal illness.



Andrew had cancer for a long time. RTD planned to move to LA with him when he was doing Wizards v Aliens but they had to call it off when he got the diagnosis.



Sorry, he did move there but had to come back.



Why? I'm not much of a film buff so I usually don't pay attention to direction or things like that unless it's atrociously bad, but I thought there were some striking shots in TGM. I dunno, maybe it was just South Africa doing all the work.



I feel like its to make up for the lack of good storytelling



Oh for sure, both the episode so far have had subpar scripts. I wasn't trying to defend those at all.


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Watched it again lads. Enjoyed it more second time around. Loving the new titles. Still sided with Epzo but glad he and Angstrom could put their differences aside and become dual winners.



I miss competent Doctor Who. ;(



why did they put aside their differences? what convinced them?


The Woman Who Fell To Earth got 10.9 million viewers (this seems like a final number) and thus it BTFOs Rose as the most watched opener ever.

It got AI of 83 which is relatively low in comparison with other big BBC shows though.




Is that with iPlayer? I thought it was 10.5 before.



>Jodie Whittaker's debut as The Doctor had an audience of 10.5 million watching on a TV set. However official figures from the Broadcasting Research Audience Board show that an additional 234,000 watched on their PC, 110,000 watched on a Tablet device and 22,000 watched on a smartphone. These figures are now included in the official BARB 4-Screen Dashboard and make Doctor Who the most watched programme of the week ending 7th October.

Since it's the same as iplayer but literally just not watched on TV, ratings websites include these additional numbers now.



I disliked the shaky cam. Is it supposed to be replicating classic who?



>classic who

Shaky cam wasn't even a thing back then m8.



fuck i miss this energy

look at how smith skids into coleman and does that quick step back at 0:22. i love his physicality so much and he clearly put so much thought into every movement



it was so jarring. epzo surely wouldn't have just gone 'yeah alright then'. ah fuck, how do i know what epzo would do? he doesn't play by the rules. we know that because he said so.



>spend time establishing a character as having deep-seated trust issues

>throw it all away in the last five mins of the episode with no explanation because you've run out of time and you're not sure how to write a satisfying conclusion

>fuck it, who cares

>they're all just here for the tardis reveal anyway


Yasmin Kahn? More like Yasmin kahnt do anything!



Epzo was already pretty defeatist before they went back into the tent at the end. He protests about the cigar but it's half-arsed and he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on, and he's in no condition to either win the footrace to the tent or fight:

"If I raced you now to that tent, you'd be dust. You're a wreck, Epzo."

The Doctor's suggestion of half was more appealing to his selfish nature than the alternative of nothing.



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wtf this literally is Big Finish on TV.

I'm enjoying it quite a bit more than the opener though, although that's probably partly because I've got such low expectations now.



But it's not just that he's a solitary character, he has trust issues. He literally doesn't trust anyone. Not even his own mother. So, to accept the joint win, he had to trust both Angstrom and the Doctor, even briefly. But I think it's believable that his selfish desire for the money would override that lack of trust, because the alternative is nothing at all. Still, why couldn't Chibnall just show us some sort of a conversation? Why do we have to sit here theorising as to why Epzo changed his entire worldview at the slightest prodding from the Doctor? Sure, it makes sense, but it makes sense to the people like us, who sit here and think about the show a lot. Does it make sense to the general audience, who take things at face value? Is there justification for why Chibnall decided to resolve the entire plot off-screen for the second episode in a row? Hm.


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What is /who/'s opinion of MrTARDIS?



You're taking the trust issues too seriously. He trusted Art Malik's character to pay up. He trusted the Doctor to pilot his ship at the very start of the episode. He trusted the people he fell asleep around twice not to kill him (speaking of which, Angstrom saving his life might have something to do with his willingness to admit defeat). He's a prickly character for sure, but it's not an all-or-nothing thing with the trust issues. And he's realistically written in that way. None of the people you meet like that in real life are full-on never trusting anyone ever without exception.

I agree that the writing could have been better. For sure they should have showed us that conversation, and maybe they could have used the aforementioned "rival saving his life" thing to bring his character arc to a close—"the guy with trust issues because someone close betrayed him learns to trust again because a complete stranger saved him" would have made the ending more satisfying. And for all the exposition and pointing out the obvious in the script, it seems daft just to gloss over this. RTD would have focused on the characters more.

Still, I don't think it's a dealbreaker. The writing isn't great but I think a general audience probably didn't even consider it. They just tuned in for their dose of sci-fi silliness and cool monsters.



looks like your average /who/re



You make a good point. I concede, but I still think that an extra few moments (at the very least) dedicated to convincing Epzo would've been good. On the whole, the episode was pretty disappointing, but it was more like a sum of many different, smaller issues that led to it being so dull, rather than a specific glaring problem. I still liked it more than TWWFTE, but it wasn't a very high bar. I suppose for the general audience, they really don't care that much if Epzo got a satisfying character arc or not… thoughts they might have on that (if any) would've been quickly dispelled with the re-introduction of the TARDIS, and the excitement surrounding its interior reveal.


Been sat in the dead thread for hours now


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It's still ugly but I prefer it brightly lit.



You can say what you want about 11 or Smith but his physical acting is utterly on point


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>the new TARDIS interior will be torn down one day

>it'll be in your lifetime

>they might even video it like they did the last one so you'll get to watch this piece of shit being dismantled



More or less, yeah. To be honest, I got excited about it. You'd have to be pretty dead inside not to derive a small sense of childish excitement from seeing the Doctor reunite with the TARDIS. It's a scene they've done before and will surely do again, but it gets me every time.


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Has anyone done a new version of this with the new titles yet?


josh bowman from episode 3 is a time agent


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Why would be be trying to kill Dr Who and her friends then, has he gone rogue?


Ryan Sinclair, don't you wave that gun in the air



Jodie was really, really good in that scene, it definitely made me feel warm and fuzzy inside… even if it was quickly dampened by my disappointment over the interior. But for all the criticisms I have of S11 so far, none rest on Jodie's shoulders. She's certainly doing the best she can with what she's given, and in moments like the TARDIS reunion, she really shines. I just wish she had a better showrunner than Chibnall overseeing her era.



he hates minorities




Ryan Sinclair, comb your hair



That's literally just 12's TARDIS with a different theme colour.



Ryan Sinclair, shuffle over there


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threadly reminder



fucking wot



hey thats what the master did in classic who



again, imagine if this got leaked instead of the train scene



what book is this?






I refuse to acknowledge that this scene made it into the episode.



The only part of the episode where an actor appeared to be enjoying themself.



>nilso hates campy humour



It's fun, don't get me wrong. It's just Tosin Cole's acting in the scene



went investigating myself, i'm guessing it's the TARDIS Type 40 Instruction Manual, released in like two days


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Genuinely feel like that argument between Ryan and the Doctor over whether or not to shoot the robots, culminating in Ryan instantly overcoming his dyspraxia and successfully noscoping three of them because he's played Call of Duty, then realising the laser has a limited amount of shots, might be one of the worst-written things in the entire history of Doctor Who. The bit before he runs out is every bit as hilariously bad as the shooting bit.



I just realized the sniperbots are supposed to be aimbots. That's hilarious.


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anyone else feel like having the a mini TARDIS inside the actual TARDIS is the series wanking itself off a bit?



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>RYAN: If that's the way it is, [picks up gun] time to stop messing about.

>DOCTOR: What are you doing?

>RYAN: Fighting back.

>DOCTOR: No. Guns, never use 'em.

>RYAN: They're shooting at us!

>DOCTOR: I know.

>RYAN: They're gonna kill us with their guns!

>GRAHAM: He's got a point, Doc.

>DOCTOR: Put the gun down, Ryan.

>RYAN: What's your better idea?

>DOCTOR: Out-think them.

>GRAHAM: You can't out-think bullets.

>DOCTOR: Been doing it all my life.

>RYAN: Uh-uh. Sorry. Call of Duty, man. I've trained for this.

>[Ryan runs out]


>[Robots return]

>RYAN: No…where's the reload? Where's the reload?! WHERE'S THE RELOAD?!? WHOOOOOAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

>[Ryan runs back in. 13's theme starts playing for some reaosn]

>DOCTOR: Made it worse?

>RYAN: Just a little bit, yeah.

>DOCTOR: Now d'you see why I don't like guns?

>RYAN: Don't go on about it.

>DOCTOR: I will go on about it! A lot!

fucking incredible stuff here, folks



absolutely. Apparently its the chameleon circuit.



*proceeds to nuke sniperbots with EMP and brag about it*



I would trust anyone here with Series 11 more than I do Chibnall, even an anon who has never posted before.



I like it





>black guy is an expert with guns

Why hasn't anyone called this out? This is poor from Chibnall. Probably threw in the 'call of duty' line in at the last minute to try save face, too.



Thinking about 13's escalation into imperiousness during this conversation in light of all the "it's non-hierarchical!" bullshit we got sold is an absolute riot. It's like they forgot she's supposed to be the cool, friendly and relatable Doctor and, just for one scene, decided she should be a bigger holier-than-thou fuckhead than 10.


And arguably Ryan's failure to defeat all the robots doesn't validate the Doctor's refusal to even touch a gun, he just did something insanely stupid with said gun.


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He's got a point, Doc'!



pretty redundant to have it there at all when it's broken and therefore will always show the same thing, surely the TARDIS is smart enough to know this? the set designer sure isn't



>he just did something insanely stupid with said gun.

Part of 13's issue is that immediately reaching for a weapon without thinking is dangerous. What if there were like 20 more robots hidden? What if the robots were energized by the gun?



>it's broken and therefore will always show the same thing

Hence why the set feature is a plastic model that will never need to be changed! Genius, I tell you!




To be fair, Thirteen isn't the only incarnation to be ridiculously hostile to firearms even when using them seems reasonable.



the doctor doesn't like to use guns at all, even when they wouldn't be causing any actual harm, because she knows that if she picked one up and used it, she'd never be able to put it down. she'd wipe out half the galaxy before anyone managed to stop her



based based based



That actually makes a lot of sense. But sometimes it does go much too far with the "no guns" shit. Smile for example. The humans had literally just woken up and found their families dead and somehow arming themselves was unnaceptable.



>>black guy is an expert with guns

>Why hasn't anyone called this out? This is poor from Chibnall. Probably threw in the 'call of duty' line in at the last minute to try save face, too.

Because I don't think anyone thought of it that way. Black guy's and guns aren't so much a thing here in the UK and it probably speaks way more towards him being the only young male person, rather than ethnicity.



>it's broken

but what if we get chibbed


Does anyone have HD pics of Capaldi's console room? Or at least a pic that gives a good general overview of it? I thought I had a few saved but I've misplaced them.


I wonder… how would people feel if Chibnall fixed the chameleon circuit? I doubt he would, simply because the iconic TARDIS is easy to churn out merchandise of, and his series so far seems to be perfectly tailored to appeal to the masses and earn that merch money, but it'd be interesting to see, even if just temporarily.


>tfw reading the EDAs for the first time and going from Alien Bodies to Kursaal


There's a worse quality drop from Seeing I to Placebo Effect



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sticking at it and reading them all is worth it, even the worst books can have some redeeming parts. the early books are pretty inconsistent in their quality but contain some of the most critically-acclaimed novels of the series. once you hit the halfway point, they're generally all fantastic, but for some reason the later books get overlooked more. i think it's because most people only read the early stuff and then give up, which is a shame.


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>Gary Russell

I actually like Spiral Scratch, which is the only other book I've read by him, but fuck.



>It got AI of 83

same as oxygen


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Assumed the answer was a no so I had a go at making one.


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remember the part where jodie told us there was a big door right off-screen and then she sonic'd it and we hear a door opening sound effect but we never see the door?



>13's theme starts playing for some reason

this was actually one of the worst parts of that moment

jodie's theme is unambiguously uplifting and positive, it simply does not fit a scene where she is annoyed and telling off her friend


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fugg I didn't notice that bad join along the left edge.


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I was waiting for the "would you kindly refrain from calling me Doc"


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how does the doctor have a pair of shades from one of her old adventures in her new coat, when she lost everything in the pockets of her old coat and hasn't got to the tardis yet?



A wizard did it


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the new tardis actually looks -okay- when they don't fuck with the color grading to make it super dark and super saturated


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>ywn wear glasses that jodie hid up her ass

Why live?


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Actress playing Rosa



That’s a long face



yep, i thought so too


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it's not even salvageable through playing with the levels


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I made real her look like a photoshop :/


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you're going the wrong way


Is the new interior a good concept executed poorly, or a bad concept executed well?




There's an option you've omitted here, and we both know what it is.



a mediocre concept executed mediocrely?



execution with no concept

just make it really


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compare the two "introduce the tardis interior" shots

note how matt's one has conscious decisions put into lighting and focal points



the only thought that went into jodie's one was "have the doctor on one side of the obstructing pillar, and the companions on the other side"


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same period of time



B-but Jodie is meant to be the pillar of hope…right? :c



She certainly gives me a pillar of hope if you get what I mean



To be fair to the director, I don't think there's a single good shot that console room would have allowed there. The fucking pillars just ruin everything.


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Can you elaborate on this?



kek how is a throwaway design for a TARDIS we don't even see (let alone know exists) better than the new design for series 11


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it's just the pickwoad in purple, really, and the neon bit in the middle is fucking tiny



She gives me a raging boner, anon



was there ever one made for War? It might look kinda awkward with the numbers and "WAR" in the middle but at the same time if there were 14 you could split them up into rows of 7


>1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

>8, War, 9, 10, 11, 12 ,13



i remember that there definitely was one

i don't think it was labeled in any way



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well that url was longer than i expected



still, it's at least nice to look at. And it looks like a TARDIS


>tfw you realize the talking fucking cloth were the villains of the week



Doctor Who and the Fabric of Death



better than tooth man



is it even, though?



>tfw you realize the cold blue guys with teeth on their fucking face are the villains of the series


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>tfw just caught up earlier in the thread about RTD's husband dying



when was the last /who/ ranks Who? what were the results?



wait what the fuck I missed that

I saw a picture of his husband but I didn't realise something had happened



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It's so sad. I hope he's ok.


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yeah. I make fun of all the campy shit from his era a lot but I'll always love the guy for everything he's done for the show, plus he's always seemed based in interviews and in The Writer's Tale, which is an incredible resource as both a fan of the show and someone who at one point wanted to be a television writer (still do but I'm more interested in film & directing).

>tfw just remembered he posted a picture visiting Ianto's memorial recently



wew lad cant sit through that 4ch thread anymore im verging


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>dude mary sues lmao


I thought the Epzo Monument was good fun but missing something, 7/10, also the TARDIS looks good but with terrible lighting and needs something to fill up the empty space


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fuckin hate boardies who play the victim because they like S11 and "the negativity is getting me down"

imagine being just a few episodes into an ongoing era you like and thinking you have a right to complain and ask for pity purely because negativity towards it exists



reminder that /who/ rates classic who


don't remember if I ever posted this back then



oh right I remember Blink not even being in the top 10 and getting mad at how contrarian /who/ was being



Blink is just a good episode that is accessible enough that the masses can appreciate its quality, hyping up its unearned status as the best episode



>first place is season 26






I agree, although I genuinely think it's great, just, not the best


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>I have somewhere between 1/64 and 1/1024 native american ancestry so that means I can claim the native american identity and culture as my own!



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That must be for a different year, cause the data doesn't line up with the pic.



Yeah, I forgot to mention it was from the 2016 survey, oops.


as someone who unironically loves Hell Bent, the only thing I'd change about that episode is have Clara go to her death at the end. It's the perfect resolution to her arc, she becomes like the Doctor and dies doing so. And she's okay with it. Her accepting her death in Face the Raven only to be like "actually you know what let's just take this TARDIS that looks like a '50s diner and avoid my death. Clara in the TARDIS with Ashildir, my best friend that caused my unecessary death" has always felt weird to me



I agree, but literally everything else about the episode is 100% kino and that's not even a dealbreaker for me. People literally just hate the episode because of that one thing


Hell Bent was good but the Gallifrey was bad



>she becomes like the Doctor and dies doing so

Then that's not really becoming like the Doctor is it? The fact she is putting off a pressing engagement on Gallifrey and postponing her mortality only makes her more Doctor-like.

And anyway it wouldn't be in character for Clara, at the end of Series 9, to be given a chance to go off on more adventures and not take it.



Blink "tamed" doctor who monsters in the eyes of the general public. Daleks, Cybermen, Ice Warriors, etc. were all distinct alien races with plausible existences outside of menacing the location of the week. The Weeping Angels make no sense as anything other than a playground game outside of the context of the television format; their entire existence is a gimmick. Their kitsch value was immediately apparent to any adults watching; at no point did they exist as anything bizarre and potentially alienating to anyone who didn't like science fiction. It was a major contributor to the "if it doesn't immediately make sense it wasn't done right" attitude that's brought us the Chibpocalypse.



I agree wholeheartedly.


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>The Weeping Angels make no sense as anything other than a playground game outside of the context of the television format

Oh fuck I remember playing a game with my friends when we were kids (who didn't even watch the show) that we called Weeping Angels. I don't remember how to play it or if we even made it up



I guess it depends on if you believe becoming like the Doctor is a) truly attainable and b) actually desirable.






oh I agree, I think people expected a big explosive RTD-tier fanwank of an episode with the Doctor finally returning to Gallifrey, but instead Moff just gave us a really subdued character piece that cares more about character and emotion than it does being epic, and so they were disappointed. It's kinda like The Last Jedi in that regard, which I think people will look back on in time as a genuine masterpiece (same for Hell Bent).

It's a 10/10 episode that is overshadowed by an 11/10 episode that comes before it. It's like how everyone forgets about the 2nd to last episode fo Breaking Bad because it's stuck in between Ozymandias and the series finale. On it's own it's inarguably a masterpiece of an episode, but it's forgotten about since it's right in the middle of two of the best pieces of television ever.



The one main difference between Clara and the Doctor is that she's still human, and he's not. She's mortal. He dies, he regenerates. She doesn't have that luxury. So when she dies, she just dies.


"Rose" to "The Husbands of River Song" is a completed show with no further hanging story threads. If you stop any earlier than that the show remains incomplete.

>end of RTD era: River arc still unresolved

>end of Series 6 w/ minisodes: Silence arc still unresolved (11's entire run is bootstrap paradox)

>end of 11's run: finding Gallifrey arc, introduced in Day, still unresolved until Hell Bent

>end of Hell Bent: question of what the Doctor should do now his show is redundant still unresolved

>end of Husbands: River arc finally gets definitive closure, no arcs remaining whatsoever, Doctor settles down for 24 years of marital bliss

Actually, in writing this I have thought of one other place you can (and perhaps should) stop: The Parting of the Ways. Series 1 ends without anything more really needing to be said.



Well I already this that Hell Bent is a 10/10 masterpiece and so is The last Jedi so guess I'm ahead of the time






I feel similarly, which is why I'm not crazy about most of the ending. The dinner scenes are great, as is stuff like the memory wipe roulette, and I believe it would be just as kino or more if you ditch the Clara and Me TARDIS stuff, but that's just my opinion.



>Emergency Programme One means I'm facing an enemy that should never get their hands on this machine. So this is what you should do. Let the Tardis die. Just let this old box gather dust. No one can open it. No one'll even notice it. Let it become a strange little thing standing on a street corner. And over the years, the world'll move on and the box will be buried. And if you want to remember me, then you can do one thing. That's all, one thing. Have a good life. Do that for me, Rose. Have a fantastic life.

If it did end in series 1 would Rose just give up on the TARDIS and the Doctor would just be killed by daleks?




dunno why I left that in my post considering I extol the rest of the ending, but yeah.



Series 1 ends with the Doctor regenerating lol how the fuck is that close ended? And I feel like Hell Bent is pretty resolved in terms of leftover story threads. I never felt like there was anything left with River's arc after Series 7, especially when Moff didn't include her at all in the 50th or Time of the Doctor. Sure there was the whole "last night on Delirium" stuff but I was okay with it happening off-screen. I was kinda done with River after how much of her we got in Series 5/6/7



As a massive DW fan, and not even meming about the Chibnall era being shit as I've thought this for probably about a year now, The Doctor Falls would have been a perfect ending for the show. Just change the ending so that the Doctor is actually dead and end it on a shot of the TARDIS disappearing with his body inside. If you want to give a gleam of hope for a revival you can show a glow of regeneration energy on his hand or some shit too


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Well I still think it's a good ending, yes it's not attainable or desireable really but that still doesn't stop Clara from becoming the Doctor. Her becoming the Doctor is a bad thing


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(There is a loud knock at the door which makes them all jump. A young man batters his way in and produces a hand gun.)

PEX: Are these old ladies annoying you?

MEL: No!

PEX: Are you annoying these old ladies?

TILDA + TABBY: No, she isn't.

PEX: Oh.

(He lowers his gun.)

TILDA: And I do wish you would stop breaking through our door to try and save us.

TABBY: That's the third time we've had it repaired, and it's not though if we've ever been in any trouble.

TILDA: Apart from bits of door flying about all over the place.

MEL: Look, who exactly are you?

PEX: The name is Pex. I put the world of Paradise Towers to rights.

(cue Keff smashing his face into the keyboard)



doctor who died in the doctor falls

TUAT and series 11 are the doctor's dying brain imagining their survival

as their mental functions deteriorate the scripts get worse



Yeah, I guess the sticking point for me is that the ending is less neat and tidy than I would like, but I guess I don't need to 100% love everything about it to appreciate it.



>The name is Pex. I put the world of Paradise Towers to rights.

<I'm the Doctor, sorting out fair play throughout the universe.

oh christ



>people still don't appreciate keff's kino synths

sad desu



Can someone redpill me on the actual "The Doc died in TDF" theory tho


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Ripping off the best character in Doctor Who?

I dont mind



Not what I had in mind, literally just keep everything the same but David Tennant popping up is the cliffhanger and that's it, that's the end. It kind of works. 9 "dying" (or rather, going through ego death and being supplanted by a new, potentially less troubled personality) is a good payoff to his arc, even if you don't see what comes next.



It's not actually 7 who rescues Coop from the Lodge. The bulk of the story is 7 having a conversation with Coop over coffee at the Double R, with the angle that 7's setting Coop up to be rescued in his personal future by a past Doctor.


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>The Doctor playing Clara's theme on the guitar

>that seamless transition into the Bad Wolf theme when Clara takes a look at him one last time and leaves, revealing the TARDIS on the other side of the door

for all of his faults as a writer, Moffat knows how to deliver an emotional moment in the most satisfying way (see also: "I will always remember when the Doctor was me"). Even when he was making an absolute mess of things plot-wise (ex: Angels Take Manhattan is absolute nonsense and an overly complicated send-off to the Ponds but Amy's farewell and the Doctor grieving afterwards still manage to work 100% because he nails that emotional beat perfectly) he was always able to deliver emotional moments well, something Chibnall has really failed at so far. It's disenheartening, and something I'll miss about the Moffat-era the most



>only just now realizing that what he meant by "i've been here before" WASNT actually about amy and rory but actually about claras TARDIS itself

fucking hell this episode man



Oh shit. Moffat's genius becomes more and more apparent everytime I watch one of his episodes



What do you think the main problems were with the Angels Take Manhattan, I'm struggling to think of some?



it's shit



…wanted a bit more but alright


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>mfw even after Clara left Moffat got one more last GOAT use of Clara's theme into the show



Too convoluted and Lady Liberty being an angel was just for those two shots of her on the building and makes literally no sense. It is a safe bet to say at least one person is looking at her at any given moment and it's utterly impossible for her to have swam from Liberty Island to the mainland and then walked (presumably) several blocks to the top of the hotel. Had some good ideas tho



The logic behind the fixed time idea that delineates the reason Amy is separated from 11 to begin with is, pretty much not articulated at all.

Outside of that the episode is actually genuinely quite good.



it's unecessarily complicated in terms of what it's trying to accomplish (Rory/Amy farewell) when said accomplishment was already done perfectly at the end of The God Complex in a very straightforward and simple way. The fakeout deaths with them jumping off the roof only for them to actually "die" 3 minutes later in the graveyard after the episode feels like it's finished was a weird choice by Moffat. I guess he wanted it to be shocking? even though everyone saw it coming? and having "they die, just kidding they survived, nah just kidding they're dead now lol" isn't so much shocking as it is just kinda jarring. Like Amy's last scene works, but Rory getting Angel'd essentially off-screen out of nowhere just leaves the audience going "wait what" and we don't have time to process it fully by the time Amy is saying goodbye



idea: 12 can hear the shows soundtrack in his head at all times and it's a direct motivator of some of his actions



moments like this honestly make me realise what people meant when they said they wished Gold could have stayed on as composer forever. I don't agree with that idea, but dear god, we will NEVER get a moment of musical storytelling that elevates an episode in a poignant way like this EVER AGAIN and that kills me inside.


There's focusing on the companion for a bit and then there's using the companion to humiliate and demean the Doctor in a futile attempt to stop Tumblr feminists from calling you a sexist. That's what Clara was.



god I wish the Ponds left at the end of Series 6. Them coming back for Series 7A only to leave again after 5 episodes felt like such an afterthought. Plus it robbed us of a full season of 11/Clara, where she could probably have been developed as a character a lot better. She might not even have had the whole "impossible girl" arc, I feel like the decision to keep the Ponds around for 5 more episodes and split the series in two is what fucked everything up about Series 7. Moffat recovered masterfully with Name of the Doctor and everything afterwards but it feels like everything before that episode is him trying to deal with a domino effect that started with the decision to keep the Ponds around for 7A



Rory noticing his headstone when its facing away from him.


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yea but wot if we sampled derbyshire over a repeating 4 beat drum loop lol


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>making it about your irrational hatred of the main theme again again when there are actual serious problems at stake here


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Yeah, thinking about it…I'm just amazed I over looked it


He isn't. But the guy's an immortal alien supergenius. He shouldn't be constantly outdone by some smug 20-something schoolteacher.


I wanted to feel sad when amy and rory died but the emotions just weren't coming to me

Late S6-S7 is when I had fully clocked out of the show and even though I'd still watch episodes as soon as they were out I just wasn't invested at all

time of the doctor makes me cry though


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Does anyone actually visit the general on /tv/ anymore?



I am right now and it's verge fuel



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why was the CGI for the regeneration effect so shitty, lads? It looks worse than it did 8 years ago, and you'd think after all the regenerations from different characters over the course of the Moffat-era they'd have it down perfectly but somehow they dropped the ball made it look like it was from 2005


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Angels Take Manhattan is part of the exclusive club of stories that are secretly sequels to The Mind Robber. (The plot concerns the characters trying to avoid being trapped in a book.)

*Stories that are explicitly sequels to The Mind Robber, such as The Crooked Man or that one VNA, are expressly forbidden from this club.



ran out of money



Yes. While I do hate the idea of us being an obscure circlejerk enclave that cuts itself off from /tv/ completely, the thread culture there is nonexistent now. It's just a storm drain of shit users bickering over a shit show.


hey 4chan anon screencap this *farts*



Robot of Sherwood, too


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>Got any pointers for the Doctor's first male-to-female regeneration, Chibs? It's quite possibly the most monumental moment in the history of Doctor Who!

<Just make it, really.


>trying to stir up drama





got any more?



El made a good case for the Angels two-parter, though I think Blink has to be taken as a big part of that as well.



I love this honestly



Maybe Battlefield.



The Big Bang.


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I felt sad when Amy died, not when Rory died, which was ironic cuz I liked Rory a lot and was kinda over Amy but Rory's death was so sudden and out of nowhere that you're never given time to process it at all, especially since Moffat shifts immediately into Amy's last scene without hesitating.

I agree about Time of the Doctor. Straight up ugly cried during Matt's regeneration scene. His final speech is one of Moffat's greatest pieces of writing for Who:



kek which one of you made the new /tv/ thread



The /tv/ thread is actually pretty non-toxic right now.


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as someone who hasn't really visited here since we scaterred over from /tv/ onto the Discord and only started posting regularly once S11 started, are the regular trips still around? I've only noticed Kinda and Neo, what happened to Immigrant/Lym/Edge?



oops, spoke too soon lol


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Thoughts on directors/producers being listed in the title sequence itself now?



are we in the same thread?



Lym barely posts now. Edge occasionally turns up to talk about David Tennant.



whatever happened to Mcganon



confused why what's-her-face has her name in the titles when chibs and strevens don't, and she's not involved with any publicity/press stuff as an important doctor who figure



It's nice in a way because before, their names would get superimposed over the first scene after the titles, fucking you up if you wanted to get screencaps.



Got a link to the discord?

Also I gotta say, I am really liking the new season.

The whole negativity tho is starting to make me feel bad for liking it though.

Am I going Insane, is the show actually shit?

I am just scared of getting more Moffat style Doctor Who, I just really didn't like it at all.


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never seen one of these things before



wait did /who/ ever actually go onto a discord



>I am really liking the new season.

>I am just scared of getting more Moffat style Doctor Who, I just really didn't like it at all.

>Got a link to the discord?




they are the extended cast of the episode

their motivations are established the minute we first see them

there is no twist reveal or otherwise mystery surrounding them

what the fuck did the doctor who promo writer mean by this?



Yes and its proper dead.



is this copypasted from the /tv/ thread because I swear I've read it there



briefly before moving here, but only the undesirables like hunter and 2oda stuck around there


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>breaks her glasses because she uses her bag to keep the door open when simply letting the door shut and opening it again when she comes back wouldn't have been any inconvenience whatsoever

pyramid was literally a comedy of errors

do you think the episode would be more enjoyable if you gave it a comedy soundtrack?


I am just scared of getting more Moffat style Doctor Who, I just really didn't like it at all.



This is amazing and kinda fucky. More info? How is it done?



Fuck you got me.

Well it wasn't a 1:1 but yeah, you get the idea.



The moment we got banned we all flooded onto one while we tried to decide what to do. Eventually we all settled on moving here and the tiny remainder of what was the discord got super cancerous.


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Murray Gold talking about IATD:

>“I remember the director saying, *sings part of the tune*, ‘I don’t like that bit, get rid of it.’ And I just said no. He says, ‘I don’t like it, what is it woodwind? I don’t like that.’ This is what happens a lot of the time in my job.”

The director was Adam Smith from Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone / The Eleventh Hour btw


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reminder that shite



I can't tell if this is an original post or someone copy/pasting a post I've made before









there a video of this?


I am the doctor


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Original, although that point has been brought up so many times.

Also, what is this face?




Marigold or the director?


>there a video of this?

There's audio of it here, I don't know what the timecode is though sorry



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Every time I see an image of Pearl Mackie I alternate between thinking she's pretty and thinking she's weird looking, like Daisy Ridley


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>The cookie dispenser is great, but it should have been a jammy dodger.



kek which part of the song is he referring to



Isn't there technically part of I Am The Doctor that doesn't appear in the episode (or S5) at all? Could that be what ultimately got cut



listening now, if I get to that part I'll post the timestamp



I'd have to listen to the interview to find out, which I might do anyway so I'll keep you posted. If I had to guess I'd say it's the kind of whimsical bridge part? The part that's not epic. I think it plays when Amy looks at the Doctor taking his shirt off.





So, now that /who/ is back on 4chan, there's no real reason for me to keep coming onto /doctorwho/. I just posted a few minutes ago on the new thread. Goodbye, 8chan.



smell ya later



Fuckity bye!



good riddance



why are you telling us this as if anybody cares?


I can never tell if it's a real Hunter post or not



you'll be back


>hunter thinks he'll be treated better on 4chan than 8chan

boy is he in for a surprise


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They always forget wanderer


Remember ChronoAnon? He might've been the cuntiest guy to ever visit this general.

Oh wait, I just remembered Darth Snoke.




>Remember ChronoAnon?

Which one?


Hunter's an






remember the guy who started making the general editions every nuwho episode in succession, and sperged out whenever anyone ignored his pattern and made a random edition?



The really verbose and pretentious one. Some other anon made a really great post satirising him.


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>4chan gives Hunter a 'shock of his life!'


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You're forgetting Mel Anon, although I think he was accidentally a jerk. And no one was worse than Mongo Anon.


/who/ remembers bunk bed ben? His last 4chan reply was in June


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lmao (in the /tv/ thread)




okay Marigold starts talking about I Am The Doctor around 8:45, the quote is from 9:20. The part of the song he's talking about plays when Rory is like "are you gonna turn around" when the Doctor is getting changed and Amy smirks and is like "nope". I kinda agree with the director desu, I've always thought that section of the song was out of place


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fucking kek




Not sure which one is the real Hunter but that's hilarious


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Out fucking standing


>Marigold had 2 weeks to write the music for Time of the Doctor

>has had to write the music for certain episodes in as little as 5 days

fucking hell


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>mfw seeing Series 11 haters



thoughts on the talking cloth?


The first one to message as Hunter was me. The one that starts with a Z and ends with an n is me. Anyways, The Ghost Monument was really good.



mfw seeing people who like Series 11

there's no face because I don't give a shit



prove it


>I really hated the Capaldi era, it was so gay.

this shit makes me lol


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Shut the fark up immigrant.


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<there is a very real possibility that K9: Timequake will be better than the entirety of Series 11, if only because it will have more novelty value


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needs a new one for the chib era

"good enough" by liz sandifer


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made this one last night



Just made a complete fucking arse out of myself laughing at this in public




o nvm I didn't realize those were playing off the original [episode title] by [showrunner] memes



>complete fucking arse

You're going to get a complete arse fucking tonight, darling.


>Marigold's favorite film composer is Jerry Goldsmith

weird choice but okay



mqu's full of weird people, it's not like you would have stood out



(not saying Jerry Goldsmith is a bad composer, just that I've never heard him referred to as anyone's all-time favorite before)



This is true, especially so because im a stemlord. but I was at the gym not uni.



>going to mqu for stem

for what purpose



>favourite score ennio morricone

good start

>favourite composer jerry goldsmith




I liked it. It was a simple idea, that is admittedly bare. If anything, the Cloth monsters should have been the episode's villain, and throwing them at the end made it a bit rushed. But the idea "clothes that use your fears to destroy you" as a security force, having been created as the leftover Remnants of a war-torn society, is such a good idea, that it basically made the last few minutes really, really, evocative.



It's the only place with a supported thing for the degree I'm doing but the non cope answer is I needed 80 for uts and only got like 75



This image made me laugh.


What's your best guess on the Timeless Child?




was that factoring in the bonus points you get for doing well enough in relevant HSC subjects?



That's stupid and bland enough for Chibnall to do



the doctor having to come to terms with being an orphan

that's why they had the "do you have a family" bit

alternatively it's some family member


Episode 1:

>Villain is immediately undermined with bathos through "Tim Shaw" gag

Episode 2:

>Underlying threat of the episode exists with the sole purpose of setting up future episodes, i.e. Stenza/timeless child

Fuck, we really are /marvel/ now lads



No, for mq I got something like 8 bonus points on top of my 75 for relevent subjects and for being in a """"rural""" area, UTS didn't give me any bonus points at all for subjects iirc



>It was a simple idea

There's been quite a number of those so far


Kindas stuying to be an astronuat



He can put his rocket in my space anyday!




I really, really like this post



>the doctor having to come to terms with being an orphan

But their parents have presumably been dead for centuries why would this matter


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I was wondering what was so special about these cloth creatures that made them capable of seeing this "timeless child" when all the other zillion year's worth of mind probes didn't bring anything up, then I remembered the Doctor met their first incarnation for the first time in ages and that could have dredged up some weird shit in her biodata or something.

I'd be surprised if Chibnall put any thought into the reasoning behind it though, besides "this is a good time to start dispensing tidbits about the big mystery."



it's 100% going to be the little sister of the indian dude that stole the Hershey Kiss that was taken by the Stenza when they were kids from the first episode



UTS gives you up to 5 bonus points for subjects like math, english and science (so they're basically guaranteed)

if you were from a school that the government recognises as being disadvantaged you get something like 10 bonus points on top of that as well

plus they have some online survey you can do to get a couple more bonus points as well



they went up the doctors pusy this time


the chimeless tiled



lol! pussy!



chibnall wants doctor who to appeal to the masses so he has to create a family-based drama for the doctor because it's relatable


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At this point I'm ready to believe anything if it sounds dull enough.



You might as well ask why Davros knew about the Hybrid theory–a fairy tale from Gallifrey!– yet hadn't mentioned it until the Doctor's 13th life.



Are you at UTS anon?



That actually could be kino but not sure how they would have gotten that from the Doctor's mind




Up to 5? That makes sense then, I only had one relevent subject and I got 44.5 for my atar so that checks out. My school was also a private Christian school that were still paying for xd so the other ones definitely didn't apply.

Had no idea about the survey though



I hadn't spotted that plot hole before. Thanks for pointing it out





Intel gathered during/after the Time War that hadn't become relevant until that point. In TUAT the Doctor remarks that the contemporary Dalek hivemind had expanded to become more comprehensive than even the Matrix on Gallifrey.


incel gathered


When you pick Skelly up from ice skating lessons




> I got 44.5 for my atar

never mind, UTS requires a minumum atar of 69 before any bonus points

you could always transfer if you really wanted to if your grades at uni are good enough




wait I meant 74.5 LMFAO


I've had a whole year to tune myself into the psychic network and INTEGRATE WITH ITS MATRICES



On a related note, some /who/res rip at 13's "we can all change" speech for being meta, but Deep Breath's confrontation between 12 and the Half-Faced Man all but had 12 turn to the camera and say "LISTEN PUDDING-BRAINS, THE HALF-FACED MAN IS A METAPHOR FOR MY NEWFOUND REGENERATION AND HOW I'VE SUDDENLY CHANGED!"

(I like Deep Breath, but 12 literally puts up a mirror to divide his face with Half-Faced Man. That's far more meta than 13's speech.)


shh immigrant the negative nancies are talking, including me, and the time for positive pollys is OVER!



the disappointment is less what's being said and more how it's being said


That human Christmas out there. They eat so much. All that roasting meat, cakes and red wine. Hot, fat, blood, food. Pots, plates of meat, and flesh, and grease, and juice, and baking, burnt, sticky hot skin. Hot. It's so hot. Sliced. Sliced. Sliced. It's mine. It's mine. It's mine to eat and eat and eat.



What was wrong with how it was said? If one forgets the meta context, it seemed like a pretty normal "Doctor tries to give the villain a chance" scene. How would you have preferred she say it?



But it's actually an interesting plot point in Deep Breath. Sure it's an obvious (albeit well done) metaphor for regeneration, but without that it still is interesting to think about the clockwork fella. However in S11 there's literally no point for it other than to be a hamfisted metaphor for regeneration, Jodie just awkwardly says that he should change and then says her monologue



the difference is deep breath did it in a way that was artistic and more subtle, while TWWFTE did it in a way that was explicit and left very little room for the audience to not get what was being done






I did until i found this one literally just now



moff or rtd?



possibly could have got in if you put it on your uac preferences desu




The villain is at a crossroads, with a dilemma. 13's saying "either you end up stranded, or you can walk off scot-free. You've been a villain for a long time, but anyone can change. So, do you want to change?"

It made sense in context. I actually didn't even make the regen connection until later, as it reminded me of change in my own life. So the quote still works, especially as 13's attempt to empathically connect with the villain fits with her personality so far.


what would you do if you opened your front door and there was a floating piece of cloth who talked to you about your insecurities?



invite them inside, i'd like to talk to someone about my insecurities very much



Close the door.



But they had shown no sign of wanting to change. It's like if in Witch's Familiar 12 was just like "yo Davros fuck these Daleks let's split"



not able to confront your insecurities immigrant?



I personally enjoy the Moff era more



good, you can stay.



oh i did. regardless MQ has a really large public and private partnership hub related to my field while the other syd unis dont have an alternative so i wouldnt want to change over. They also don't offer my degree at an undergrad level.






I'd rather get a trained therapist. How do I know the cloth is giving good advice?


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Moffchads in the house tonight

Our percent on /who/ is 75



imagine a post capitalist cloth society where the qualifications people get are printed on their own cloth as verification of their abilities

someone call briggs, i've got an idea!



i'd take anyone



um, wow, okay, this, wow, this is really epic



But…Twelve literally shows kindness to Davros while having a backup plan up his sleeve, just like Thirteen does.

The point is that 13 shows Tim Shaw that she has his way to get back home, so he's at a disadvantage. That's why she's willing to try to convince him.


Sorry anon. Hope things get better. Therapy helps.



>Sorry anon. Hope things get better. Therapy helps.

thanks but don't take it toooo seriously immy



But with Tim Shaw it's pretty fucking obvious what they're doing. Like I've said 12's conversation with the clockwork man, although pretty obviously about regeneration too, also just works by itself being about the clockwork man, but if you had the Stenza plot in the middle of the series well, it looks like we'll be getting it the whole series that line wouldn't make any sense


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>tosin thinks he can shoot aliens because of call of duty?

>what if we did a shot that was a POV like a first person video game?

SVU tier directing



he was on the side of the video game!


reminder that the witch episode got moved to the end of the series

reminder that "you can watch it in any order!" is so literal that they can actually do this


Demons of the Hijab

By Gareth Roberts




Sandifer already speculated about this.

>One possibility that can’t be entirely discarded is that it’s a retroactive causality. The Doctor and Clara’s relationship, having been brought into existence, now has consequences that stretch backwards and alter the reasons the Doctor left Gallifrey in the first place. This is both plausible and in some ways appealing, suggesting that the ancient lore of the series is in fact a floating signifier that adapts to whatever the current narrative needs are. Since this is in practice true, it’s always nice to find a way to make the actual metaphysics of the lore work that way.

>But that’s a tidy answer to a messy question, and so vaguely unsatisfying for Hell Bent itself. Hell Bent requires that we find a more unkempt answer. Let’s try again, then, taking for granted that the hybrid really is on the Doctor’s mind as he’s dashing around with the Tribe of Gum. There’s clearly a sudden density of hybrid references in the Doctor’s life around this period. In The Witch’s Familiar Davros and Missy independently contrive to taunt him about the concept. Then he creates Me, who is in practice intimately linked to the concept and who, in point of fact, literally stands in the ruins of Gallifrey in her entrance. Then we get the echo of the hybrid in Osgood before the Time Lords opt to intervene in the Doctor’s life out of fear about this one specific prophecy. There’s really no way around the idea that Me is broadly correct about the hybrid: whatever it is, it has to do with Clara.

>And yet Me’s theory that it’s the specific Clara/Doctor combination that’s dangerous remains hard to credit. Clara’s been around two seasons, after all. She’s interacted with the Time Lords at two distinct points of crisis before without the Cloister Wraiths going off at great length. And she reversed the ending of the Time War, literally preventing the War Doctor from standing in the ruins of Gallifrey. No, it’s got to be something specific to Clara in Series Nine.

>The key and final clue, ironically, sits in Under the Lake/Before the Flood. After all, why ostentatiously introduce the idea of the bootstrap paradox, complete with a lecture to camera, if we’re not supposed to apply the idea to the season as a whole. So the hybrid has to be the thing the Time Lords bring about: Clara’s departure. After all, it fits perfectly. Clara can be argued to be a mixture of two races after her resurrection (and if you don’t like that you’ve got Me to iron that out). She threatens to unravel the web of time by her very existence. And the specific thing she’s seeking to heal is literally her heart. She’s headed to Gallifrey and is, by her own admission, the person who hates the Time Lords most in the entire universe. Surely nobody thinks that’s going to work out well for them.

>So Clara, the girl who stole a TARDIS and ran away, becomes the thing the Doctor fled Gallifrey because of.


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reposting this because I put a lot of thought into it and I'm not going to waste it on the /tv/ thread when everyone here would be much more interested.

I think both Coleman and Capaldi gave the two best performances of any companion/Doctor in the shows history during their run, especially in Series 9. They both have pretty big character arcs from their first to last appearance in the role that happen gradually and naturally over the course of 2/3 series, and both of their arcs happen internally. It's not like Rory where we see him go from bumbling idiot to being a badass, all of that was external. 12 and Clara's characters change internally, but Coleman and Capaldi still manage to convey it well enough to the audience throughout their runs that it's understood by the viewer.

Their farewell in Face the Raven is an absolute masterclass in emotion from both of them. You can watch that scene on with the sound off and not only understand what's happening but still feel the emotion they're getting across just by how they express everything through their eyes in that scene. Seriously. Go rewatch that scene and focus only on their eyes. It's insane.


>gareth roberts will die in your lifetime

feels good man


The fact that Vinay Patel, who has never done anything for Who before, cared enough to read a 10th Doctor novel set in India, just so it wouldn't conflict with the India ep, gives me hope.


But that doesn't explain why Davros knows the theory, seeing as he hadn't met Clara yet.



>The fact that Vinay Patel, who has never done anything for Who before, cared enough to read a 10th Doctor novel set in India, just so it wouldn't conflict with the India ep, gives me hope.

We know, literally everything about Series 11 gives you hope.



He knows the prophecy. The above paragraphs are attempting to account for the existence of the prophecy.


hey /who/ have you ever came without you or anyone else touching your dick? pure mind power. what was it like?



most of us hadn't even had someone else touch our dicks, don't get ahead of yourself



>don't get ahead of yourself

can i get ahead of you instead? i.e. give you head



And I'm asking why does Davros know a Gallifreyan prophecy? He didn't even know the Master, let alone some obscure prophecy.


I don't like how this theory assumes that Clara and Me are gonna murder a bunch of Gallifreyans.



i'm a woman, probably not what you're looking for



oh yeah sorry



>And I'm asking why does Davros know a Gallifreyan prophecy?

I thought the point of your initial question was why he hadn't mentioned it until the Doctor's thirteenth life. As to why Davros knows it, I don't know. That's a "use your imagination" plot hole.


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>Oh, sorry Yaz, I forgot you were there.


do you think the character development in S11 will be limited to "ryan comes to accept graham and call him grandad"?



I think people fail to note that the true purpose of the scene was to show how 13 tries to keep her companions calm, as she goes from "We're screwed", to noticing Yaz is there, and saying "We're fine, don't worry."



yes, wouldnae be surprised if in episode 10 ryan says "Graham, i've come to accept you, I will now start calling you 'grandad'"


Doctor Who - S01E01 - Rose

> [The Tyler's flat]

>(Earth, United Kingdom, South London. An alarm clock goes off at 7:30. A young blonde woman gets up, dressed and kisses her mother goodbye. Her mother, who is also blonde, still in her dressing gown and lazing on the settee while watching TV.)

>ROSE: Bye!

Doctor Who - S01E02 - The End of the World


>(Carrying straight on from the last episode. The Doctor and Rose are lit in green light from the time rotor.)

>DOCTOR: Right then, Rose Tyler, you tell me. Where do you want to go? Backwards or forwards in time. It's your choice. What's it going to be?

Doctor Who - S01E03 - The Unquiet Dead

>[Chapel of Rest]

>(A small altar with a cross on it flanked by a pair of candles. The rest of the room is also candle-lit and there are arum lilies in vases by an open coffin. The bald Welsh undertaker lights the gas lamp then speaks to his client.)

>SNEED: Sneed


>series 11 episode 5 happens in a few weeks

are we even ready for this?!?!?!?


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Yeah, you're right, what an interesting thing to note …


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in addition to >>118936, it's done in such a straightforward and perfunctory manner. moffat used the metaphor to reintroduce ambiguity into regeneration; the mechanical nature of the villain (as well as other touches such as forgetting them from the girl in the fireplace, the broom metaphor, etc.) evoked how the changes undergone due to regeneration/as time passes are inevitable and impersonal. we are made to wonder whether there really is some essential element that remains with us throughout our lives that gives us continuity if our bodies and memories are so mutable.

chibnall tries to link the doctor's change of personality with the one that the monster supposedly has the potential to undergo, but they have barely anything in common (motivation, personality, visual aesthetic) besides being aliens. the plot up to this point is characters getting from point a to point b and spouting exposition, with little attention paid to overall effect, themes, and aesthetics other than making it a poor imitation of the marvel netflix aesthetics, presumably just because they're popular. and like >>118947 says, it comes across as too sincere. when tennant gave his enemies a "choice", there was little doubt that the baddies would just ignore him. the doctor gave the baddies a "choice" more for the sake of demonstrating to himself that he was a moral being in the wake of the genocide he had carried out. russel fully realized how sanctimonious this made the doctor, but chibbers plays it completely straigtht; the doctor's moral role might just be to dispense nuggets of wisdom to the cast/audience now. nevertheless, this takes the show into "arrogant doctor with a messiah compex" territory, which could be interesting, but it doesn't seem like there's any real prescence behind the wheel.


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How hype are you guys for Arachnids in the UK?

>people on GB are saying its RTD level dark

>eviscerated corpses

>spider like creatures

>13 gives Yaz a "shock of her life"

>'Is the woman she's trusted so long really a hero after all? Is she even her friend?'

>"This might be where you can argue that the new approach is, for the first time, seen uncluttered by any of the old approach."

>terrible dilemma

>Chibnall said the ending scene in the tardis is his favorite scene in the Series

>Chibnall said in DWM that Chibnall(writer of episode) was going to stick around 'for a long time, I promise you' implying the script is GOAT

>McGannChan insult in episode

Its going to be GOATER than GOAT.


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I'm trying to think why when jodie asks questions when thinking out loud something feels off

It's not like past doctors didn't think out loud too, but something about it feels different with jodie. I don't think it's just her acting with how strongly she emphasises each question, but that also stands out to me too. Is it the quantity? Did they not present it as questions as much, instead stating unknowns in different ways?



I think 13 comes off as more unsure than the other Doctors? Much of her current characterization is spontaneously coming up with plans as she goes.



Her making things up as she goes along is fine imo, the thing that stands out to me is how she has a lot of moments where she just has a stream of "but what is X? And why does it Y? And what about Z? And how does that connect to W?"


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>Yes. I'm glad you asked that again. Bit of adrenaline, dash of outrage, and a hint of panic knitted my brain back together. I know exactly who I am. I'm the Doctor.




for fucks sake, chib




someone said earlier that the dialogue sounds like it's from Big Finish, and they hit the nail on the head. It's like Chibnall never learned "show, don't tell" and everything is said very matter-of-fact and literal. Compared to Moffat where each character had a distinct voice and way of speaking. If you were just given a line of dialogue from an episode you could figure out who it was said by just by reading it.

So far Graham is the only new character who kinda has their own voice, but I can't tell if that's how he's been written or just because of how Bradders delivers his lines. Yaz and Ryan's dialogue is completely interchangable and boring. It's like each time one of them has to ask a question or deliver a line they just flip a coin and whoever guesses right gets to do that piece of dialogue. I don't even think Yaz and Graham have fucking interacted with each other at all yet come to think of it



That may just be part of her style, though. We'll have to see future eps to really tell.


That's just parallel phrasing, anon.



>It's like Chibnall never learned "show, don't tell"

alternatively, he's doing it on purpose to make sure that nobody in the audience gets left behind, and even the casual viewers who are paying more attention to their phone can still grasp what's going on in the episode


Just realized im not even mad about heather anymore, im just gonna assume she became some sort of deity and thats why she can do all that shit. I've always wanted doctor who to tackle gods.



>That may just be part of her style, though

Explain how that excuses it.



the only way I've come to terms with the monks is that they are essentially gods too


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and yet he couldn't even keep my attention for most of the 2nd episode. I still can't believe Chibnall managed to make a TARDIS reveal (one that was delayed for 2 whole episodes) so fucking boring.

Goddamn I miss Moffat. Even at his worst moments, I never felt apathetic.


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oh no no no no no no no no no


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The first video is "pity, i thought thered be stars". The second video is "i dont want to go"



thanks i hate it



I think a lot of dialogue is in fact same-y.

However, there are a few hints of difference. Yaz seems to be a bit of a "peacekeeper" (she deals with the 2 arguing women by finding a common solution; she tries to get Angstrom to open up). Ryan is the most unsure of himself, and the most pragmatic (he runs immediately from the ship; he goes out and shoots the guys attacking him). Graham is often irritated and pessimistic, but tries to protect Ryan.


13 so far often figures things out on the fly. Questioning out loud may be a part of that. It'll take till we see more eps to see if that's an intentional part of her characterization, or just a quirk of Chibnall's writing.



is that music edited on? I don't remember it being so bad when I watched the episode, maybe I was just distracted by the new TARDIS design?

Is that a fucking kazoo? We lost Marigold for THIS?



>start believing

>that fucking music

we truly are in the netflix era.



that simplistic melody is the real music from that scene, yes



even if it's meant to be quirky, it rings false because it's such a mouthful of a phrase to get out in what's (i think) supposed to be a tense moment.


actually rather pleased with the console, though i might just have been hungry when i saw the biscuit dispenser.



what is the hourglass meant to do if it's unrelated to taking off, since the tardis sounds don't start until after the big lever?

how long until we get continuity errors with the sand in the hourglass being filled wrong or tilted the wrong way between shots?



lay in a course


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Take a mental note every time there is a scene where all 3 companions in a row take turns saying one line to react to something

there's already multiple instances of it



>because it's such a mouthful of a phrase to get out in what's (i think) supposed to be a tense moment.

Well, it's supposed to be the "congralutory" moment where 13 becomes who she is. It's actually a scene that goes by fast.



note that she's not even describing herself there, she's just stating the things that helped her remember who she was

for years to come "bit of adrenaline, dash of outrage, and a hint of panic" will be used to describe the doctor, when that isn't even how the line is used in the episode


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>Is that a fucking kazoo?

oh god i hear it now



it's the sort of phrasing you wouldn't be fazed seeing in text but just sounds ridiculous out loud



>for years to come "bit of adrenaline, dash of outrage, and a hint of panic" will be used to describe the doctor, when that isn't even how the line is used in the episode

Where are you getting that from? That those phrases will be used to describe the 13th Doctor–I haven't seen that at all.


remember when epzo didnt change at all until the doctor suggest he should in the last 4 minutes of the episode


>fans get mad at Moff for over-complicated writing

>Chibs writing is now too simple

>fans get mad at Marigold for overly orchestral music

>new music is kazoos



did he even change then? does agreeing to a draw really constitute his worldview of "trust no one" having changed? He could have just agreed to the compromise given the circumstances. We don't see 13 talk him into it, for all we know she just convinced him that it was the best way to fuck the host over for putting them through the death race


>be epzo

>don't trust anyone

>trust a bunch of strangers with the information of your life story and philosophy


>"Risk to life: absolute." Injured and stranded in the wilds of a far-flung galaxy, The Doctor, Yaz, Graham and Ryan must band together with a group of strangers to survive against one of the universe's most deadly–and unusual–creatures.

Is Rosemary's Future Space-Baby too much to ask for?



And part of the reason that he agreed was that he was hurt physically.

Also, I felt that Epzo's "I trust no one" philosophy was hinted to be a front in some ways. Note when he asks 13 and the gang "You're okay!" and 13 responds "Why do you care? You don't care about anything." The fact that he asked meant that it was partially a front.



"Epzo's mother refusing to catch him" was "Ryan goes Call of Duty"-tier unintentional kino.



I think that scene was supposed to be part of the key that Epzo was lying a bit. Also, was Epzo taking drugs from his little vial? It seemed so.


Steven William Moffat OBE:

>If you think because she is dead that I am weak, then you understand very little. If you were any part of killing her, and you’re not afraid, then you understand nothing at all. So, for your own sake, understand this. I am the Doctor, I'm coming to find you, and I will never, ever stop.

chris chinbal:



If Epzo was putting on a front, why didn't Chibnall show that in non-superficial ways, or incorporate it into the story, or build some gags around it, or, y'know, anything?????



The race officiator told Angstrom and Epzo to take their meds, and I thought it was mentioned at some point that the atmosphere was poisionous. Why didn't the Doctor and companions need medication for the atmosphere?


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I miss him so much



In the AUs where Gatiss or Whithouse became showrunners, what would have happened in Series 11? Besides shit?


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a whole series of pertwee reenactments is sounding pretty good right now.



those medical implants maybe?



Probably would have had an Omega series arc



With Toby Whithouse, we wouldn't have gotten a female Doctor, probably. We might even have gotten a few jokes mocking the idea.


There was a Venusian Aikido reference in latest ep.



wait hold the fuck up she was saying "pay"? I thought she was saying "pair"



true; we aren't quite in the worst timeline then



But on the plus side, we would have kept Mathieson around.


Isn't Chibnall already leaning close to Pertwee? Venusian aikido, recurring villains are warrior race with ice theme, Ryan shoots the sniperbots five rounds rapid?


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12 doing venusian akido

>flips a guy over

13 doing venusian akido

>poking him with a pinky paralyses him


Epzo's "agreeing to the tie" makes sense because he's literally really, really hurt, and Angstrom could out-fight him in his current condition. The tie is his best bet at this point.




to do pertwee you need some sense of style and sophistication

then again, the pertwee era did shamelessly copy its sense of style and sophistication from ITC



you're right

but this also reinforces that there was no character growth in anyone in the whole episode



yeah but is that really a satisfying resolution to their conflict?



>be Cartmel

>come up with "the Doctor is the most important person in the universe" arc before RTD and Moff can do it

>no one cares that you did it first because you never actually wrote an episode yourself

>and none of your VNAs stood out

>stuck asking Aaronovitch for food


Fetching a ghost monument? They should be fetching pokemon creatures!!


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The Demons of Punjab are just gonna be dumb aliens right?


Anyone autistic enough to come up with Pokemon teams for 13 and her friends yet?


/who/ cares with hunter and judy when?



it's a new writer, he might have enough creative interest to use monsters that in some way relate to indian culture and/or religion


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Come now, Chibnall wouldn't allow such creativity in his netflix era show


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>hire non-white writers to write for NuWho

>force them to be as trad as a Nicholas Briggs penned 4DA

sasuga Chibnall


Both the Ghost Monument and Ep 1 have the TARDIS crew not seem like the center of the universe. The brother in Ep 1 has a whole backstory and influence on the plot, but he never actually meets the crew, and the other pieces of his life (his friend; his sister) never meet the Doctor. And in The Ghost Monument, Angstrom and Epzo basically have had their own TV-show's worth of adventures, and the TARDIS Team is more the supporting characters in the last ep of "Angstrom and Epzo: Race to the Monument", but it's just that we're seeing it from 13 and crew's view. That's reinforced by Angstrom and Epzo's final fate literally happenning without the Doctor's interference.

This feels weird, but it actually makes the world seem bigger than the TARDIS team. Chibnall Who, so far, seems like a universe that the Doctor is just one part, instead of having everything surround her and her companions. It works well with a less showy Doctor like 13, and is something legitimately new.


Imagine a whole series of Lie-of-the-Land sort of eps.



>and is something legitimately new.



mrtardisreviews is a cunt

stubagful's a cunt



Don't forget bowlestrek




haven't seen his woman who fell to earth review yet, what did he think of it? same goes with tardis reviews?



stubagful thought it was mediocre and didn't have any sense of newness, it basically reminded him of the RTD era. He loved the sonic building sequence and thought it distilled everything about Doctor Who(?) He also loved the crane speech because he thought it subverted the trope of the Doctor giving epic speeches, with the villain basically dismissing the speech. He wanted to praise Grace's death because he's always going on about characters not dying in Doctor Who, but still didn't think it was well done. He took a really long time to make that point. His sense of humour is still fucking awful.

>tardis reviews

I'm not touching that. Although I saw a tweet which suggested he liked it.


The increase in viewers could possibly lead to more budget for bts stuff



doubt it



Thanks heaps, saved me a lot of time


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>Hello, Mr. Eccleston. I'm working class too, and watching Doctor Who is one of the few things that keeps me going. See, me and the other kids at the home don't have parents, and we watch old episodes of Doctor Who all the time. You, Tennant, Smith, and even Mr. Capaldi. And I was wondering? When are you gonna come back? You're one of us, aren't you? When are you gonna do us a favor and come back?


thoughts on "insults capaldi fans with smug tennant faces" anon?




He really does have a tendency of stretching out his opinions, and he's one of the kings of the 'aware that he's not funny but still tries to make jokes' type of youtuber.

Idk what it is though, i still find watching his video very comfy.



Eccleston stares at the kid. He mournfully looks down, and his eyes fill with sadness. Then he gets to the child's eye level, and with a grin, whispers into his ear.


Then Eccleston walks away.


The Tardis represents the doctor:

10: Functional, natural, flowing, powerful, ancient, complex.

11: Overdesigned, new, robotic, powerful, overcomplicated.

12: boring.

13: Oversimplified, basic, underdeveloped, blank.


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found this in some yt comments, forgot how much normies hate hell bent



YT comments make Cinemasins look like an Ivy League professor.



It's because she doesn't say "Question!" before each one like Capaldi did.


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now this is quite the take, from the same hell bent video



This is why i love online Doctor Who discussions



A young girl gets merged with the sentient systems of an advanced time-space engine and gains godlike powers? I dunno, Rusty.



I think part of it is her intonation - when other doctors say questions like that, they often say it like a rhetorical statement, almost in a matter-of-fact way. When jodie asks questions she emphasises the question part in such a dramatic way that it doesn't sound as rhetorical?



Because she's honestly asking? This Doctor doesn't know all the answers, which is refreshing.



other doctors are honestly asking as well, jodie often sounds like she's expecting a response



Refreshing from what?



From previous NuWho Doctors who knew about all the races in the galaxy.


why do the new opening titles get to be so colorful when everything else is limited to teal and orange?



*all the alien races and major events in the universe



Based John Smith VFX

the last gasp of kino


hola reddit!



Although i think it does get a bit repititive, I think it's good to have it as a part of her characterization of being a more genuine and emotionally honest Doctor. Some Doctors would keep this process to themselves for when they're ready to show off their cleverness, whereas 13 is more willing to be upfront with not having all the answers. Just my interpretation



Thank you! I've been saying that as well!




They didn't though.



Fuck me, this clip of Ryan running needs to be ameme



Sure, I'll do it if no one else will. Not using anything past Gen 4 because I have no idea about any of them.



Had this been a Tenth Doctor ep, the Tenth Doctor would have said "Ahh, the Monument race. Most famous race throughout the 7 star systems. Deadly though. And this Desolation planet…I've been here before, but where are all the people?



>once we’re done you’re going home


>I’m sorry, I failed you

What was 12’s second episode dramatic moment?




>He's on the top layer if you want to say a few words





but seriously, it was "am I a good man", right? Or if you want one from the end of the episode, you have everything after "I see into your soul, I see beauty, divinity, hatred…"


https://youtu.be/utu4RJiGaCk when we gonna get one of these for s11



oh nononononononononono


/who/ should watch Jekyll


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>what did you do?

>I loved the wrong person

hold up is this alonso?



holy shit it is, fucking based


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/who/ absolutely btfo



straight people are over


the coral tardis was a good concept executed okay

the whimsy tardis was a bad concept executed well

the 360 tardis was a good concept executed perfectly

the crystal tardis is a bad concept executed poorly


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it's copper (also I don't really think it was a bad concept, i bit strange, but not bad at all)


it was called toyota (dunno why though)


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where does missy fit?



what the fuck


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where'd you get those names from?

I don't like the idea of a tardis that is fundamentally an assortment of random shit. The interior at least had a structure to it that allowed for some decent angles, but "executed well" is a bit of a stretch given how many physical holes the set had and how many locations couldn't be used because of that. Pickwoad mentioned how the set took up such a large volume but relatively little of it could actually be used for filming


Crapoldie and Colemong ruined the show.


Let's kill C.T.C.


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yfw the streamchat spammed "gamers rise up" at ryan's COD moment


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boardies arent the only kind of CTC fags



we die in a society



these are the most accepted names i can recall, i do remember off the top of my head that these are the names of the consoles that are used on tardis builders. also, in the interview with Ed Thomas when the set was built the reason behind the console being so mixed with random design was that the tardis doesnt really recognize design, (dont know if i agree %100 though) it selected what was most useful at the time of being rebuilt (kinda how messy 13's is after 12 blew up all the good bits) so the type writer, that weird extra keypad set, the gas nozzle. keyboard, pedals, etc. also, i disagree that the set had poor angles to shoot from, the set wasnt fully "360" until s7, when the final back wall was added, so they limited themselves util it was fixed, even still they had plenty of areas to shoot from, but decided not to, pickwoad wasnt the designer of that console so he hadnt the full concept of how to shoot for it.



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I understand ed thomas's design philosophy and actively disagree with it

>pickwoad wasnt the designer of that console so he hadnt the full concept of how to shoot for it.

he is a production designer for TV and film and has a thorough understanding of the logistics of set design as it relates to shooting angles. The fact he didn't design that interior doesn't mean he isn't capable of analysing it


File: 31dd476e61590e6⋯.mp4 (11.82 MB, 1280x640, 2:1, s11 tardis first time.mp4)

discuss this "companions enter tardis for the first time" scene



Yaz is a robot



it was a stupid choice to have them all enter at the same time, the doctor seeing the new TARDIS for the first time is it's own thing, companions seeing it for the first time is another.

It's ALL about jodie in this scene, whats the point of longer episodes if you're just going to mash all the important bits together



ep 7 will be the best ep, screencap this



Pay attention to how the companions each take turns saying one line, two max

>[y] wow

>[r] yeh

>[g] it was a police box! / how do you fit all this stuff inside a police box!

>[y] you can't engineer dimensions

>[r] can I press any of the-

>[g] it's a spaceship!

>[r] get out! / this is proper awesome

>[y] I thought you didn't believe yourself for a second back there! / you can get us there, really?

In order to write multiple companions in the scene, chibnall essentially took the dialogue of one companion but evenly split it into 3 people



> chibnall essentially took the dialogue of one companion but evenly split it into 3 people

just make the tardis scene, really.



And note how the entire scene's dialogue goes companion-doctor-companion-doctor-companion-doctor etc

at no point do any of the companions talk to each other or even acknowledge each others existence in any way


thinking about it, what a shit move to have 3 companions, but make them all from the exact same time and place, if you're gonna do an ensemble cast they should atleast all be from different time periods, that would actually make their interactions and reactions interesting


The only hint of personality was ryan asking to touch buttons

graham asking how it was possible and yas saying it wasn't possible are generic enough to not be unique to the character


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So for a long while, James Nesbitt was the obvious choice for "would make a great Doctor". Thoughts on this?

The people who've said he'd be great aren't wrong, but I feel like we kind of got the same sort of Doctor we would've gotten with Nesbitt in the form of Capaldi, and—with all respect to Nesbitt—probably a better version of that Doctor.


I want a companion to enter the TARDIS and just not give a shit that it's bigger on the inside.


A lot of the decisions regarding the general lack of subtlety and visually describing everything make sense when you consider that chibnall is consciously thinking of the casual audience who are only half paying attention while looking at their phone


Chibnall is ashamed of Doctor Who.


I wonder how much better Moffat's Doctor Who would've been if it was produced by Sue Vertue.



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the problem with having a physical LED screen showing the floaty gas is that whenever the camera moves around the room you can tell that the gas is flat and the perspective is wrong

you can see exactly that effect at 0:09 in >>119114

The idea of using LED screens in the set is cool, but this was the wrong application for it


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Jodie doesn't want Ryan pressing buttons because when she pressed a random button it ejected her


imagine if we got a whole series of blackpill capaldi, im talking total old snake knowing the end is near. would have been kino


We are Venom.



>Stenza not ice type

>Grace not ghost type

Nice try nonetheless


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Chibnall was big on poetic tragedy in broadchurch

do you think we'll ever see it in his doctor who?


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where's the third doctor's tardis from the time monster, whoadie?



almost all of the in-between consoles for 2,3,4, & 5 are basically the same with very small changes.


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look at those roundels whoadie



>straight up asking for a Doctor Who equivalent

which one of you was this? i know skelly goes on /co/ so maybe him.


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look at all the markings on the ground telling people precisely where to stand to make the shot composition work

do you think any of the S11 directors do that?



god i wish that were me



it's standard practice as far as i know



no whoadie i don't think so



that wasn't me

I'm not a /co/ native, I don't go there that often


Going to the shops

Does anyone want anything



A good chibnall episode



can i get some pretzels whoadie?


No. It was obvious moffet wanted to get rid of amy and rory to introduce his mary sue waifu clara. It's rather obvious he was fucking her or wanted too.



yes, rather obvious indeed. quite.


It's not pretentious nor nearly as smart as people make it all out to be. You know the saying for the flash? "Speed force, don't gotta explain shit"

Dr who has a saying sorta like it. "Time wobly science thing"

That's what the everything basically boils down to. Anyone that says the show is only for smart people are pretentious douche bags.



I bet the person who said this also dislikes S8/9 for reasons they aren't capable of articulating


>Matt was okay, but the scripts were shit



skip s6 & matt's great.


might be old news but:

>the entire world in [episode 5] was created entirely through CGI/VFX.

thoughts? also isnt this the mpreg episode?



S7 isn't exactly noteworthy outside of the anniversary trilogy


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would martha be a good companion for 11?


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after the CGI work on the floating cloth, I don't exactly have high hopes



el creatura


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makes you wonder why 12 didnt just do the pinky thing


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fuck chibnall



I hate that version of pepe, make's him look like he has no fucking neck.


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and fuck STREVENS too



why'd cloi sticky this?



he cute though


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>cosmic racist




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Now this is aikido



frogs don't have necks whoadie



That's really not exceptional. Everyone does that.


the doctor

>totally fine with nardole using an explosive shotgun

the doctor, a few hours later

>No. Guns, never use 'em.



actually I guess it's a week later, considering the timeskip to the funeral


deadline > anything actually in the main show


> The Doctor and her companions travel back in time to Montgomery Alabama in 1955, where they meet Rosa Parks, a legend of the US civil rights movement. But they’re up against an evil criminal called Krasko who’s determined to prevent the fight for equality.

>…when the Doctor detects a strange energy source coming from Montgomery’s bus depot, she realizes the might not be the only time travellers in town. A criminal called Krasko plans to stop the bus boycott, yet the cosmic racist has met his match in the Doctor and her friends. Inspired by Parks and determined to make his late grandmother proud, Ryan is willing to do whatever it takes in the fight for equality.















>only losers carry knives

>friend gets saved by someone because they were carrying a knife just a couple days later


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>cosmic racist


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>yet the cosmic racist has met his match in the Doctor and her friends. Inspired by Parks and determined to make his late grandmother proud, Ryan is willing to do whatever it takes in the fight for equality.


this literally sounds like something /pol/ would write as a false flag, im dying.


>yfw the cosmic racist is working for the stenza



>Inspired by Parks and determined to make his late grandmother proud, Ryan is willing to do whatever it takes in the fight for equality

he's not even african american, he has no connection to that culture



you think chib knows the difference?



This can't be happening. This is the most basic shittiest storyline you could have come up with for an episode about Rosa Parks.

>le evil white racist man goes back in time to stop the fight for equality at its origin


Dr. Who and the Cosmic Racist

A classic.


Cosmic hobo meets cosmic racist


Doctor Who truly is dead.


>this is what chibnall meant by "a pillar of hope in these divided times"



>Cosmic hobo

But the Doctor has been missing in action since Twice Upon A Time?


Will 13 punch the cosmic racist in the face, too?


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don't apologise.


>if rosa parks didn't do the bus boycott, black people would have stayed oppressed forever

>not just african americans, but all black people everywhere




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Miss me yet?


clearly by "unity" chibnall meant "stoking the divisions"


Pillar of Fear for racists


What are the chances that Krasko is just a comical strawman of the modern day neonazi?


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got anything to say, /who/?


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Got something to say, anon?


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I am a Cosmic Homo



inb4 he says hes gonna make the future great again



Loud Nigra.wav


>Steven Moffat will never unzip his Chris Chibnall body like a Slitheen and reveal this was all a joke


>Doctor Who will never be good ever again


t-there's always dracula to look forward to


>Doctor Who's "Rosa" Is EXACTLY what the world needed right now. Here's why.



Let Chibnall run it into the ground and the BBC will give the show to a young communist like they did in the late 80s



Hope Capaldi can play a role in that.


>Graham takes Krasko's side






>krasko is a bus driver and graham is sworn by duty to then hate minorities



Krasko replaces the bus driver to make Graham sympathetic to his cause


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absolutely zero chance a man who married a black woman and is genuinely trying to foster an emotional connection with his black grandson is a racist


>listen ryan, a bus driver has the right to tell whatever passenger to sit at the back of the bus!


dunno if chibs or any of the writers know if rosa was actually killed, that'd only prolong the movement, not stop it.


Does anyone remember what the villain in Power of Three was about and if it's compatible with the Stenza in any way?


It's plain to see that Chibnall is a virtue-signalling Tory voter


11x07 A Man in Labour



It actually could be compatible. The Shakri wanted to wipe out the humans because they were seen as pest.


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>tfw chibs doesnt care about the story, politics, or anything about the show, and he's just trying to pull in as many viewers as possible by using everything popular and controversial, to gain money.


the shakri are probably proto-stenza

they even have a similar two-syllable name starting with S


Even RTD wouldn't dare to write such a shit premise.



"I'm not racist, I have black friends."


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i really shouldnt be surprised but i am.


>pregnant males

>time travelling cosmic trying to kill Rosa Parks

>come to Daddy, I mean come to Mummy

>LGBTQ+ constant representation


>Indian mythology

This is so current year.



>come to Daddy, I mean come to Mummy

literally nothing wrong with this


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>Indian mythology

Imagine complaining that Doctor Who is doing a kind of story that hasn't been done before in the show



the only good thing about series 11 is that it is making people like you scream with rage



>cosmic racist

Imagine complaining that Doctor Who is doing a kind of story that hasn't been done before in the show



Why is the last point a bad thing?


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fuck why couldn't we have got something like the nightshade tardis?



but the daleks are cosmic racists



agreed, im kinda fond of 11's bookstore console too.


>indian mythology

Cant we just do victorian london episodes 3 times a season? who wants to explore another culture? ewww brown people


YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.



because anon can't stand the idea of brown people in his dr who



I didn't even notice it in the episode



Australian, South American, African, or anything besides Eurasian Culture would be kino.


Ugh, I watched 15 minutes of hell bent, really disappointing. I'm not looking for hard sci fi but ffs, the timelords are a beyond type-3 civilization and here we have peasants and generic sci fi soldiers carrying rifles.. pathetic.



To be fair, Hell Bent isn't a good place to start watching Capaldi episodes



>it has all these nice messages in it about inclusiveness and diversity and all these kind of things that jodie's into as well


Who's going to take the plunge and start tripfagging as Cosmic Racist?


the handshake earring has one gold hand and one silver hand to represent diversity



I think we all know which /who/re should do that.



You put effort into this so have a (You). Their performances in that scene genuinely are amazing.


I like s11 so far



you're not the real one, but that's still funny.


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wow imagine how kino this pairing looks, unironically wish it was just bradders desu





>Indian mythology

This reminds me of the Emerald Tiger and that story is dope so im looking forward to it


And who is the Cosmic Racist?




I don't like the sound of this



>we could've had reverse 6/evelyn








thoughts on >>119119 >>119121 ?



uhhh what's the source for this



radio times



DWE of the ex President of Iran engaging with Virgil Texas over twitter?



I've noticed, it's infuriating, literal school-tier writing. Yaz and Graham never talking is symptomatic of the same issue driving that. There aren't three companions. There's barely even one. There's a would-be Doctor and a couple of speaking props.



& /who/ is the cosmic racist.


The Timeless Child VERSUS The Cosmic Racist


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>be Arwel Wyn Jones

>episode revealing your new TARDIS has just aired

>DWM announces an issue covering the genius of Michael Pickwoad



The Timeless Child VERGES The Cosmic Racist



Neo, did you prefer Episode 1 or 2? Pick your poison.



YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

We have to take Doctor Who back



i'm the doctor, sorting out cosmic racism throughout the universe


So what did you think of Venom?



I'd love if the cosmic racist just turns out to be Dalek


Lads, I'm not going to participate in the cosmic racist meme until someone provides proof it's from actual promo copy of the episode and not something a /who/re made up





Really enjoyed it, I was laughing like a loon in the cinema at so many of Tom Hardy's lines, his performance/s were great. What about you?




It's not actually Radio Times but >>119182



the fucking insert songs had my dying, what an enjoyable cinema experience






>twelve punches a racist

>thirteen punches a cosmic racist

how are they gonna top this one


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so were these lines rough concept drawings of what became the crystal pillars?


Pillar of Hope v. Cosmic Racist: Dawn of Antikino


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was it cosmic racism?




yeah I've seen a lot of people echoing that sentiment. I didn't care at all for Ep 1, but I thought it was Chibnall basically attempting to pass his low bar and succeeding. Ep 2, he failed to even do that. It wasn't about anything, and the plot about the scientists and the underlying threat wasn't even a story, it existed purely to set up future episodes. Chibnall drawing from Marvel rings frighteningly truer than I thought it would. Episode 1 at least felt like it had some dramatic arcs, shoddy as they were.



its a leather jacket guy



I love how ~2004 the movie felt, and that it could've had an Eminem tie in song just as well then kek.




My preference of e2 comes down to the direction and tone; there was some level of shlock in it (one instance even intentional!), lines like "amazing what you can learn from a sniperbot" had me howling. Ep2 is worse in the senses you point out, absolutely, but I had at least SOME fun with ep2 (well, AT ep2), and I had none of that with ep1.



Hardy was fun, both as Venom and Eddie, wish they focused more on sitcom aspect, or just went for straight-up comedy, imitating cape origin story kind of standartised the story. Still, much, much better than I expected.



So essentially you prefer e2 because it was bordering 'so bad it's good' territory, while e1 didn't have that appeal and you weren't interested in what it was trying to do?


Talking rags are actually a nice idea – an intelligent creature that exists in the form of rags, created by scientists as a weapon. And it survived in this terrible post-apocalyptic world, somehow. Very Terry Nation and Stanislav Lem. It's not the best, but it has potential.

The question is, why would you completely waste them? Why would you spend time on sniperbots (yikes) and have a whole scene dedicated to pure, mindless, tenseless pew-pew shit?

There are ideas here and there, post-apocalyptic creatures existing in a bizarre forms, space rally, scientists forced to make deadly weapons for their overlords…

But literally all of these are 1 line of exposition. Literally. Instead there's a tedious boat scene and worthless sniperbot scene.

At least Jodie got a nice scene and Epzo/Angstrom are alright.


Declan May is apparently still alive! He's replied to the increasingly-outraged demands for "Seasons of War" refunds on GB, with some info about his medical condition, for anyone interested.

>About eight months ago, when I received my current diagnosis (after having been in a coma last September, hospitalised for 2 months – which seems, I now see, to have been part of the origin of all this mess, and for which I can only apologise) I realised that I needed to put my family first for whatever time I have left with them, disengaged from social-media, all forums, websites, quit all the jobs I had been working on (even good rid of my work email account!)

>I am chronically ill, terminally so with me and my family told to expect it to degrade rather quickly at any moment. I had been hoping to finish a novel, spend time with my family laying-down the riffs (if not the bass-lines) of some new memories and, more importantly, getting to see the entirety of Jodie Whittaker’s first season. Now I’ll be lucky if I get to dress up as Jodie for Halloween! (that was a joke, if levity is allowed – and I think it is).

>I am unlikely to see another Christmas. I wanted to spend whatever time I had left with my wife and son. But that is no excuse – I want nor expect any sympathy for that oversight and now, if you bear with me.

>I am in hospital at the moment, being discharged this week, then I will be spending some time with my family at home in France.

>I am shocked and saddened by all of this and sorry that my failure as a person, and the failure of my body, landed you all in this horrible, frustrating situation. I am so, so sorry. But, if you can bear with me and give me the time to do what I mentioned above, we will fix it. I am heartbroken that it has come to this, but I wont see you, who supported the projects, hurt by this, or the charity. The whole point I started it (and should never have left it. I’m sorry. My illness and final diagnosis left me no choice back all those months ago, but no excuse) was for the charity.

His answer to the angry demands?

>Give me, Declan, a bit of time and latitude to enable me, personally, to begin to reimburse you. This I will do from out of my own pocket, with my own money, as a way of apologising and making some sort of amends for all of this mess that I, my initial illness last September (2017) which set all these troubles in motion, and my current, final illness which took me out of the loop and caused all this confusion.

What a champ.

And, perhaps most interestingly, some more info about the BBC copyright notice that killed the project:

>["The new regimes at both the BBC and BBC Worldwide"] got in touch with both me and martin about copyright infringement, seemingly alerted by a less than charitable individual (but, I suppose, fair enough) which has had the effect of making the job just that little bit more difficult (not that much was needed). I would ask, therefore (if I am still in a position to ask for anything) that it be made very clear that Seasons Of War is in no way connected to Doctor Who and that copy-infringing elements, aside from fair use, are not in any way present in visuals or branding of Seasons Of War, and that the projects and all the books are fan-produced publications for charity.



Why is 8 holding a pocket watch?

Did he ever use one other than for promotional photos?

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