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"/who/ Cares?" podcast on Series 11: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz80wZ00_JjSaS2ZRrno1Pg

File: bca13323f0122b0⋯.jpg (133.52 KB, 1920x960, 2:1, doctor.who.2005.s11e03.108….jpg)

 No.125197

White Guilt Edition

erased: >>124446

 No.125201

>>125197

>the white character being LITERALLY foregrounded in the climactic scene of an episode ostensibly about Rosa Parks

You cannot make this shit up.


 No.125202

Remind me why we needed this story at all


 No.125203

File: 9437fac427113e4⋯.png (15.79 KB, 665x85, 133:17, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.125204

File: 2177c375b75a0d7⋯.jpg (888.73 KB, 1002x1206, 167:201, whatmorecouldyouwant.jpg)

RTDkino


 No.125205

File: 8ee591081f47310⋯.jpg (192.83 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-21 at ….jpg)

>>125204

was not the image I attached but okay


 No.125206

File: 5cb7f99d1fa632f⋯.jpg (17.71 KB, 584x103, 584:103, kvjfgufuyfkuuy.JPG)


 No.125207

File: 1e7a5e29b9d65f9⋯.png (1.51 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, monkagiga.png)

How did he know lads?


 No.125208

File: 59502bac31f9d36⋯.png (10.86 KB, 512x89, 512:89, ClipboardImage.png)

based and briggspilled


 No.125209

File: d95f254296c0485⋯.jpg (266.08 KB, 1200x1000, 6:5, 1518565948806.jpg)


 No.125210

File: 7b7d3541bc20887⋯.jpeg (46.78 KB, 640x310, 64:31, 0097A538-5EBB-49FF-9389-C….jpeg)


 No.125211

>>125207

He was River Song's cellmate


 No.125212

>>125209

hahahaha


 No.125213

>>125206

GARHAHHAAAAAAARH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO


 No.125214

File: ff70eff74377868⋯.jpeg (163.86 KB, 640x680, 16:17, 298E714A-7505-41E0-B644-F….jpeg)


 No.125215

I'm not surprised by Chibnall fucking the episode up but I genuinely am stunned he managed to make the climax of the episode about the plight of two white characters's struggle to stay quiet and act as implicit racists in the big Rosa Parks moment the episode makes so much fuss over as an event so pivotal to the civil rights movement its effects reached over to the 79th century. I thought Chibnall would probably fuck it up but even I didn't think he'd somehow make the episode about white guilt instead of black pride.


 No.125216

>>125210

Fucking hell. BFags truly worship the Briggs.


 No.125217

>>125211

he is the timeless child


 No.125218

File: 9c72d9737eb601b⋯.webm (419.19 KB, 960x480, 2:1, parks rosa parks.webm)

>Jodie in this shot

wtf


 No.125219

Neo, who was that "cracked old Caledonian" quote from?


 No.125221

>>125219

Steven Moffat I believe.


 No.125222

>>125204

He looks like a toy for children.


 No.125223

"What the fuck, Doc? Why aren't you helping me? I'm going to get arrested. I thought you were my friend."


 No.125224

>>125214

>a forced SJW agenda episode

>when I informed myself about Rosa Parks last week

the fuck


 No.125225

>>125202

IMPORTANT EPISODE

LIGHT IN DARK TIMES


 No.125226

>>125218

jodies acting in this entire scene… left a lot to be desired


 No.125227

>>125218

They really need to stop with this "let's cut to each of the main casts' reactions"


 No.125228

>>125201

>>125215

It's representative of how whites are meant to feel watching this rubbish, heads bowed in contrition, whipping themselves for not helping black people enough. Bravo Chibnall for communicating this both within and outside the narrative.


 No.125229

>>125227

literally anime exposition tier


 No.125230

>>125221

Ah, thank you. I thought as much, but I just wanted confirmation to be sure. It's a nice quote.


 No.125231

>>125223

The Doctor gives Graham the "shock of his life"

Is the woman he's trusted for three weeks really a hero? Is she even his friend?


 No.125232

File: cda97f9e0760ded⋯.png (53.72 KB, 608x468, 152:117, 4d5ffb8f44b5c943d514f28015….png)

Is it going to be kino (or shitkino)?


 No.125233

>>125232

>Written by Chris Chibnall

Shit. But we are inching closer to the kino.


 No.125234

>>125223

"Doctor, why are you pointing at the nearest tree?"


 No.125235

Ep6 is gonna be like manna from the heavens


 No.125236

>>125229

EEEEEEEEEHH?


 No.125237

File: 3da66c9e7e0e2f1⋯.webm (368.52 KB, 960x480, 2:1, dontthreatenme.webm)

Another amazing line delivery from JW.


 No.125238

>>125235

/who/ is gonna be so crushed if it ends up being shit


 No.125239

File: 2b5156b6b75de87⋯.jpg (14.52 KB, 326x326, 1:1, distressed communist.jpg)

post yfw ep6 is shit


 No.125240

>>125236

h-he's fast!


 No.125241

I strongly dislike the Thirteenth Doctor and find it hard to reach and cling to any of her redeeming elements.


 No.125242

>>125237

so this is the fabled big finish college drama student performance ive heard so much about


 No.125243

>>125237

there's something off in the way that she says this, as if there's a line afterwards that's missing


 No.125244

File: bd2f693b27ed6a9⋯.jpg (146.15 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-21 at ….jpg)

Bradders was great at least


 No.125245

>>125243

the thing that's off is her acting ability


 No.125246

>>125238

Yeah that is seriously gonna fuck me up if it is. I'm genuinely hopeful for it. It's not cowritten and Vinay is pure heaven. If it's shit then fuck, complete DOA for this whole era, what hope can there be.

That said we'll get a Talalay ep next year presumably so that'll look nice and have better performances than usual at least. I hope it's not a Chib scripted ep, but he really really likes her so it probably will be.


 No.125247

File: beb27531c318415⋯.jpg (45.48 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, don't.jpg)


 No.125248

>>125246

>we'll get a Talalay ep next year presumably

I mean, she could always turn it down after seeing what a trainwreck this era is.


 No.125249

who will be the first mainstream voice to dissent about the series quality? seriously feels like we're upside down world.


 No.125250

>>125248

She didn't turn down Iron Fist or whatever she just did for Netflix


 No.125251

File: 328feaa0f773929⋯.png (256.18 KB, 403x346, 403:346, 5441db90a5e90a9419edc607c3….png)

>>125249

Implying anyone on BBC payroll is going to chat shit about their most marketed show of the year


 No.125252

>>125250

well Iron Fist just got cancelled so


 No.125253

File: 16e86a38e192300⋯.png (1.73 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, stevee.png)


 No.125254

>>125249

NYT was redpilled about the premiere but I genuinely think we're gonna be on our own here for 2 years or so.By the third series Jodie will be entrenched enough people will be more comfortable to crit.


 No.125255

File: 3e3bc6e1181a795⋯.jpeg (222.01 KB, 640x754, 320:377, C92EE18F-AA5E-423A-9EFC-2….jpeg)


 No.125256

>>125249

Jared Taylor


 No.125257

Why does The Celestial Toymaker get such a bad wrap from people? I never understood the hate it got.


 No.125258

>>125257

Why do you think people dislike it?


 No.125259

>>125255

Doctor Who was a fucking mistake.


 No.125260

>>125257

Well of course YOU wouldn't.


 No.125261

>>125260

>>125258

I legit don't get it, please explain to me in non-snarky posts. I saw Part 4 a few times a couple of years ago on the Lost in Time DVD.


 No.125262

File: 9b7e92ec15cadad⋯.webm (4.65 MB, 960x480, 2:1, sexualtension.webm)

Anyone else find this scene kind of….you know…


 No.125263

>1x5 (The Tsuranga Conundrum) (Guest starring Brett Goldstein, Lois Chimimba, Suzanne Packer and Ben Bailey Smith)

>1x6 (Demons of the Punjab) (Guest starring Amita Suman, Hamzah Cheetoah and Shane Zaza)

>1x7 (Untitled Future Episode) (Guest starring Phyllis Logan)

>1x8 (Untitled Contemporary/Near Future Episode) (Guest starring Lee Mack and Julie Hesmondaugh)

>1x9 (The Witchfinders) (Guest starring Alan Cumming and Siobhan Finneran)

>1x10 (Untitled Final Episode)

I have a feeling Series 11 will be like Series 7 with all the kino in the latter half


 No.125264

>>125261

This is quite the the thread to defend the Celestial Toymaker in.


 No.125265

>>125262

>yeah.. there it is, kicking in.. tied to your brain chemistry

monka FUCKING s


 No.125266


 No.125267

>>125264

Uh, why do you think I'm defending The Celestial Toymaker?


 No.125268

>>125263

If you think any of these episodes bar Punjab and maybe Witchfinders will be kino, I don't know what to say to you


 No.125269

Is Rosa up on Mega or google video yet? Thanks.


 No.125270

>>125262

>it's a character is framed hard right/hard left shot

fucking hell


 No.125271

>>125267

Check this out, it addresses both the narrative and the politics http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/the-most-totally-closed-mind-the-celestial-toymaker/


 No.125272

>>125269

yeah posted a mega link last thread


 No.125273

>>125262

This is unironically Jodie's best scene so far, both in terms of her Doctor's character and her acting. Neo pointed out that one might view 13 as an adrenaline junkie as a natural progression of what 12/Clara were.


 No.125274

>>125271

>Sometimes this process masks a hidden gem. Nobody quite knew how good The Massacre was for a very long time, because on paper it didn't look like much. Here, however, that process led us to assume that this story was brilliant. After all - a nightmarish realm of toys ruled over by an insane demigod that forces the Doctor and his companions to play a bunch of nefarious games with odd titles like the Trilogic Game. That sounds great. Clearly a departure for Doctor Who into something new and exciting, and an ambitious idea that introduced new kinds of threats for the Doctor.

>Then people actually saw the thing. And that's the problem. Because in practice, this story is a complete trainwreck. The pacing is excruciating. Even if you make the standard accommodations of remembering that it's not supposed to be watched in one shot, it's tough to get over the fact that there is no emotional content to this story. It's just the Doctor playing the Trilogic Game for four episodes while Steven and Dodo meander through a series of arbitrary deadly challenges. The reason it's four episodes long is… that's how long it is. It could have been one. It could have been three hundred. It doesn't matter, because the plot does not build at all, at any point, anywhere in the entire episode. They just eventually run out of games and go free.

Good stuff, thanks Neo


 No.125275

>"she changed the universe"

>opens door

>it's a rock

what did they mean by this?


 No.125276

>>125273

Longer you live, the harder it is to feel a high. Would be a cool direction to take 13, they're really not going on the "super old" angle but "is kinda offputting in what she does for her kicks" would be an interesting take Jodie would probably do well.

>>125274

No worries. All politics aside the serial is just an absolute shambles structurally, a complete mess.


 No.125277

>>125262

Krasko/Thirteen femdom erotica when?

>>125268

I have high hopes for The Tsuranga Conundrum, Demons of the Punjab, The Witchfinders and the Lee Mack episode. The Mark Addy / Phyllis Logan episode will be pure shit I reckon. Final episode will be fun just to see what Chibnall does.


 No.125278

>>125275

I expected a futuristic city full of diverse people and rulers. But no… a rock.


 No.125279

someone posted a review of The Ghost Monument that deconstructed why the Chibnall-era has been so apathy-inducing a few threads ago, does anyone remember what it was?


 No.125280


 No.125281

>>125276

It's a shame because the concept does sound pretty good from the outside but from the inside it's pretty eh. I remember thinking episode 4 was alright at the time, I'll have to give it a re-watch at some point.

I remember seeing that Sandifer put it on her Top 10 Worst Stories - do you know where it was placed?


 No.125282

>>125267

>>125271

I think that, based on what the creators have said in response to this article, there actually was no connection between the "Celestial" in Celestial Toymaker and the use of "celestial" to refer to Oriental people. I have no defense for the plot criticisms, though.


 No.125283

File: cb4146f6cf1f680⋯.jpg (157.69 KB, 1696x944, 106:59, Screen Shot 2018-10-21 at ….jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOwMeimSl4

>Rosa (2018) written by Malorie Blackman & Chris Chibnall


 No.125284

File: 5d761ff7a0b1652⋯.png (1.74 MB, 1000x1100, 10:11, thelivesofkrasko.png)

COMING SOON TO BIG FINISH: The Lives of Krasko

1. Lockdown by Joseph Lidster

In the year 5113, imprisoned in the Stormcage Facility, Krasko must contend with his new cellmate - a member of the Bruthareen.

2. Race Against Time by Matt Fitton

When Krasko teleports to the ancient Kingdom of Kush, he discovers a black civilization with technology far beyond it's time. Will he be able to stop their plans for supremacy?

3. Primordial by James Goss

Transported to the dawn of time, Krasko seeks to change the course of human evolution before life has even begun. But what nightmares lurk in the seas of prehistory?

4. Five Minute Job by Guy Adams

Just weeks before his imprisonment, Krasko undertakes an easy score - but that's just the start of it. For once, the master criminal might just be out of his depth.


 No.125285

>>125280

yes! thank you


 No.125286

>>125282

I didn't even know there was a link.

>>125284

Based, you beat me to it


 No.125287

Apologise to Tennant.


 No.125288

>>125282

>I think that, based on what the creators have said in response to this article, there actually was no connection between the "Celestial" in Celestial Toymaker and the use of "celestial" to refer to Oriental people

They do not get to decide that.

>>125281

Bottom of the list.


 No.125289

File: 89182e7d89ce7af⋯.jpg (80.68 KB, 782x719, 782:719, DoctorWho-112_2565.jpg)

>not even The Twin Dilemma or The Celestial Toymaker left me feeling this empty and hollow and beaten as this did. This is the worst I’ve ever felt after an episode of Doctor Who

FINALLY

SHE HAS TAKEN THE BLACKPILL


 No.125290

>>125284

Holy fucking shit


 No.125291

File: e19a321fabdcbdd⋯.png (1.2 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, closeup.png)

Jodie is good with closeup shots.


 No.125292

>>125289

In relation to TGM or Rosa?


 No.125293

>>125284

Holy shit


 No.125294


 No.125295


 No.125296

>>125284

Incredible post


 No.125297

>>125284

BF would unironically make this and completely miss the point that he's supposed to be an evil racist.


 No.125298

>>125284

I love that you even got the small detail of Fitton having the suspiciously unwoke one. You should tweet this.


 No.125299

>>125288

They kinda…do? They know their intent. If you want to go into accidental subtext, fine, but I think even that got scratched out when it was looked into.


 No.125300

>>125294

Blocked by her on Twitter so I couldn't see for myself.


 No.125301

>>125299

Their intent doesn't matter.


 No.125302

>>125295

Yeah remember that time in season 1 where captain jack called mickey "monkey" by mistake and shot the Indian woman in the Torchwood premiere?


 No.125303

>>125288

The Toymaker is literally referred to as The Mandarin, so I'm pretty sure there's a link there.


 No.125304

>>125300

It's not on Twitter, it's from the review that's not out to the public yet.


 No.125305


 No.125306

>>125272

I don't see the Mega link? And I'd really want a google video link. Those tend to work good without eating up data.


 No.125307

>>125289

she deserves it for thinking the first 2 episode were good


 No.125308

a FUCKING rock


 No.125309

>>125307

Can you lay off it a bit Kinda, she just found out her government is going to try and legislate her out of existence.


 No.125310

Who exactly is Sandifer to criticize the politics in an episode written by a black woman?


 No.125311

>she changed the universe because she had an asteroid named after her

LMAO


 No.125312

>>125274

Quite a lot of classic serials have that problem, to be fair. Especially when they would regularly go on for seven episodes. I think it was Enemy of the World where the scripts came up an episode short, so they just threw an episode in the middle where the characters chase each other around a bit, and then end up back where they began.


 No.125313

>>125309

i thought she was british


 No.125314

>Yeah…There it is, kicking in, tied to your brain chemistry…!


 No.125315

>>125310

*and Chris Chibnall


 No.125316

im gonna do one of those online name an asteroid things and call it "not rosa parks" to cancel out this wretched piece of fiction


 No.125317

>>125316

fucking based


 No.125318

>>125302

>Friend of mine. Let's call him Vincent, that was his name after all. Regular guy, girlfriend, likes his sport, likes a beer. He starts acting a little strange, a little distracted. Suddenly he disappears for a couple of months. He comes back, and we've got to start calling him Vanessa. Since then I've always been a little nervous when a friend behaves out of character. I'm sorry, we haven't been introduced. Jack Harkness

based Jack


 No.125319

>>125313

She's an American that lives in Ithaca but does write enough about the UK I can see the confusion, I'm pretty sure I thought she was English when I first started reading her too.


 No.125320

>>125314

we've left the femdom companion era and entered the masochist femdoc era


 No.125321

>>125318

You'd be surprised, tbf


 No.125322

a fucking rock


 No.125323

>But the episode stands up to this line of critique far better than it might have. Of particular and satisfying note is the way in which it furiously rejects a white savior narrative. There is no scene where Rosa gratefully thanks the Doctor for showing her how to stand up for herself. More to the point, in the episode’s most fascinating sequence, the Doctor and company are forced to engage in active complicity with racist discrimination in order to accomplish their goals. Rosa’s arrest is portrayed as something awful and unpleasant to witness, not as an act of glorious heroism. That’s smart, and puts this several cuts above most of its genre. I’ve seen people on Twitter say this should be taught in schools, and yeah, actually, it wouldn’t be bad for that.


 No.125324

>that bit where Thirteen sucks Krasko's cock and he can't do anything about it


 No.125325

Why did they keep playing the promotheus theme in rosa?


 No.125326

>>125323

cringe and bluepilled


 No.125327

wtf was that shitty song they played at the end of the episode?


 No.125328

Honestly the episode wasn't terrible, the interactions between Graham and the Doctor are still the best moments though,

I hope the new character isn't related to Jack in anyway honestly and I hope soon they get more into the scifi like shit


 No.125329

File: 0ccf54724bc41ef⋯.jpg (57.53 KB, 640x480, 4:3, CAPIVARA.JPG)


 No.125330

File: bf08237b489ee59⋯.jpg (134.91 KB, 1920x960, 2:1, rosa1.jpg)

Screenshot from Chibnall's writer's cut.


 No.125331

How cool would it be if Captain Jack returned and renewed interest led to a Torchwood Series 5? (also making 90% of Big Finish Torchwood audios non-canon).


 No.125332

>>125323

>teaching racial politics in school

Literally why the younger generations are going mental.


 No.125333

>>125331

Not very.


 No.125334

Everything about the last 5 minutes felt like it became an educational show again


 No.125335

This week's Sandifer review is very specific and intimate and I'm not sure if I understand it right


 No.125336

>>125335

I've been chewing over it too, I actually disagree with most of the take on the actual specifics of the ep, but think how she frames the whole thing at the end makes loads of sense. That last paragraph is really depressing.


 No.125337

more doctor "who the bloody hell keeps watching this rubbish !"


 No.125338

>>125323

This is pure bullshit, and hopefully just a case of being too forgiving to the episode to balance out the bleakness of the review's conclusion.

It's no different from any other time-travel historical where the characters have to be complicit in awful acts so "history can stay on course". The story doesn't interrogate the morality of the characters' actions, because it can't even comprehend a level of logic on which there could ever be another option! They HAVE to sit there and watch so that black people can have rights later! It might not be portrayed as an act of glorious heroism, but it's portrayed as completely necessary, and the episode is more interested in how much of a hardship it is for them than in the actual ethics of the situation. Because it's operating from a perception of history and these events that is totally broken in ways that are unbelievably fucked.


 No.125339

>>125331

>making 90% of Big Finish Torchwood audios non-canon

already true


 No.125340

File: 947f03f3678af17⋯.jpg (100.1 KB, 768x574, 384:287, 14584652-low_res-doctor-wh….jpg)

Cosmic racists. I know how they look, I know how they think. I was one, for Christ's sake! So to stop me, I regenerated in to another body. I killed the cosmic racist in me. Now I do the same for society.


 No.125341

>>125330

dat neck


 No.125342

How long is it going to take Chibnall to write a villain who isn’t fucking boring?


 No.125343

>>125339

How so?


 No.125344

>explaining the faults with rosa to a friend who hasn't watched the show in a few years

>"wow, this sounds even worse than moffat"

oh no no no no no no no…..


 No.125345

>>125338

>the episode is more interested in how much of a hardship it is for them than in the actual ethics of the situation.

this is absolutely an important distinction. I think it's important to criticise something for what it's doing, not what it's not doing. Murder on the Orient Express isn't a bad novel because it doesn't have enough spaceships, and The War of the Worlds isn't a bad novel because it's obvious whodunnit. The episode isnt about the ethics, it's about what it would be like to have to do this shit. I'll admit my heart sank when Graham realised he had to stay on the bus and be one of the white people responsible for pushing Rosa to the back. I'd hate to be in that position, even if it was for the greater good.


 No.125346

>>125343

It's Big Finish (I dont mean it, I just like making fun of BF)


 No.125347

>>125345

>I'll admit my heart sank when Graham realised he had to stay on the bus and be one of the white people responsible for pushing Rosa to the back. I'd hate to be in that position, even if it was for the greater good.

The episode was called Rosa. It was about Rosa Parks. Do you think white guilt was really the appropriate note to play as the climax?


 No.125348

The fact Chibnall made an episode where his lead characters acting like racists was "for the greater good" does my head in. Fuck this moron of a showrunner.


 No.125349

>>125342

Villains are not pillars of light in dark times.


 No.125350

>>125347

Maybe I just had my expectations lowered for Chibnall, idk


 No.125352

>>125351

No. He's just an idiot.


 No.125353

File: 172628959ed60d2⋯.png (364.17 KB, 483x326, 483:326, cyberwoman.png)

>introduces black female character only to kill her off in the most ham-fisted way possible

>pivotal point in rosa parks episode is about the white characters

>responsible for pic related

is… is chibnall racist?


 No.125354

>>125352

sorry anon i deleted the original post, i realised i made a typo


 No.125355

>>125220

yes because he's finishing last


 No.125356

>>125207

he recognized the vworp sound when he shot it?


 No.125357

File: 35af9044dacff6f⋯.jpg (216.28 KB, 656x676, 164:169, hurrrrrr.jpg)

Can't you just like pay 50 bucks to name random space rocks after you, how is a fucking rock any indication of Rosa Parks' impact in history. Fuck I'm verged


 No.125358

>>125353

What's the matter with being racey?


 No.125359

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY


 No.125360

File: 97fc56b9c4abcdc⋯.jpg (95.81 KB, 605x593, 605:593, 97fc56b9c4abcdc98577a61c92….jpg)

I give up the series


 No.125361

>The reality is this: whatever minor criticisms I can level against "Rosa" can't outweigh the value of Doctor Who telling an honest, earnest history of black struggle - which is personal, social, global… and unfinished.

>2018 is not the year to attack this.


 No.125362

>>125361

Fucking hell


 No.125363

File: 836cbe3de7effbe⋯.png (139.44 KB, 394x360, 197:180, 1502756865462.png)

>>125361

>honest


 No.125364

>>125356

Are TARDISes a common thing in Chibnall Who? Will we meet other renegade time lords just hanging about?


 No.125365

File: f17d9efe68df800⋯.png (322.22 KB, 441x423, 49:47, moffbeard.png)

>>125361

>>2018 is not the year to attack this.

Jesus christ this is literally saying don't even try to criticize this episode or you're halting racial progress or some shit

You can't make this shit up


 No.125366

File: 51b89b3db2a7fbc⋯.jpg (151 KB, 992x1180, 248:295, REEEEEE.jpg)

>>125361

>n honest, earnest history of black struggle

IT'S NONE OF THOSE THINGS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2018 is not the year to attack this.

THERE IS NEVER A WRONG YEAR TO ATTACK HORRIBLE MEDIA THAT MAKES A MOCKERY OUT OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT JESUS CHRIST


 No.125367

File: 898895bf1a943eb⋯.jpg (14.4 KB, 350x350, 1:1, 41wtRqod0DL._SL500_AC_SS35….jpg)


 No.125368

File: 88be7a4764e298a⋯.png (116.43 KB, 645x729, 215:243, slojak2.png)

>>125361

IT GOOD EPISODE BECAUSE IMPORTANT MESSAGE BLACK PEOPLE


 No.125369

For all we know the episode was 100% accurate.


 No.125370

File: 6430cf1a8777a9d⋯.jpg (60.88 KB, 1366x768, 683:384, IMG_20180522_092312.jpg)

File: 9c23218377fd5fd⋯.jpg (66.49 KB, 1366x768, 683:384, IMG_20180522_092316.jpg)

>>125361

>>2018 is not the year to attack this.


 No.125371

>>125364

That's the kind of direction things should be taking now that Gallifrey is back, but I'd be pretty surprised if they break nu-Who status quo that hard.


 No.125372

>>125361

>honest

The episode implied the fortuitousness of Rosa Park's protest was so great that its effects reached into the 79th century; that luck and coincidence were more important to kickstarting the civil rights movement than any actual sustained effort or intelligence on the activist's part. It used the butterfly effect to diminish and patronise the work of the activists to make it seem as if one specific scenario had to be upheld for all the strides that came later. The episode had an Indian policewoman praise Rosa Parks for paving the way for her to police. The episode literally focused Rosa Parks' actual protest on the white main character's inner pain as they pretended to be racists to uphold sci-fi nonsense.


 No.125373

>>125357

It should have just been dropped. The bit at the end where 13 lectures 2 people of colour about Rosa Park's legacy was actually okay without the fucking rock


 No.125374

>>125371

I'd genuinely enjoy other Time Lords in the show, or a return to Gallifrey for reasons more casual than "trying to bring dead companion back to life and also overthrow the government." That's not a criticism on the premise of Hell Bent, for the record. I'd just like to see more of Gallifrey in the new series, especially with the special effects budget that chibwho has.


 No.125375

At least I can look forward to Vento Aureo every week now instead of Doctor Who


 No.125376

Chibnall never explained how Rosa Parks turned into that asteroid. Was it a shimmer? Is she immortal? Does she need to breathe? This is what I love about Chibnall's vision, before we were just presented with answers but Chibnall actually makes us ask questions about the show and ourselves. It really is miles above something like Listen (duhhhh da monstah is invisible) or World Enough and Time (duhhhh da metal men is scawwwy)


 No.125377


 No.125378

>chibnall trying to act as if rosa parks was in any way relevant to uk race relations


 No.125379

File: f114c4726d0de91⋯.jpg (183.13 KB, 1229x1063, 1229:1063, tosinkillme.jpg)

2018 is EXACTLY the year we should be taking issue with these sanitised, defanged, teleological, establishment-excusing, bootlicking depictions of struggle and history being fed to us like sludge. 2018 is EXACTLY the year we should be demanding more than the bare minimum out of Doctor Who if it dares to put its bloated, useless, disgusting fucking appendages near real, sensitive topics, things that actually happened. 2018 is NOT the year to fall over gushing about media that openly erases black activism and organising, in favour of white guilt and fetishisation of the status quo, just because it presents things in a soupy manner with manipulative pop music.

You can be happy that the show even bothered, I guess, but that does not mean patting Chibnall on the fucking back and shelving all criticism.


 No.125380

Is each story in the River Song boxsets standalone? As in, if I wanted to just listen to the last one in the set without listening to the others, could I?


 No.125381

>>125379

Are you really complaining it wasn't preachy enough?


 No.125382


 No.125383

>>125380

no, they have a flimsy arc

even in the more prone to be standalone they get 1 comment or 2 about the arc


 No.125384

File: 401d77d06c66cb2⋯.jpg (2.72 KB, 112x112, 1:1, 1422204551987.jpg)

I just want goofy aliens and time travel

why we not get this


 No.125385

>>125374

I always liked the episodes where the Timelords would call on the Doctor to do some job or other. I'd like to see that again.


 No.125386

>>125384

sorry pal we've got to make hackneyed political equations instead


 No.125387

>>125384

You'll get them, and they'll still be shit. That's not enough.


 No.125388

>>125380

>he wants to listen to river song stories

It's too late for you


 No.125389

Ingiga's Not Here - Here's Why That's A Bad Thing


 No.125390

>>125388

desu I’m pretty hyped for the Eric Roberts Master audio


 No.125391

>>125383

Ah, okay. I was going to listen to them all eventually but I wasn't sure if there was much connection. Thanks.


 No.125392

Still crying. What a beautiful episode.


 No.125393

>>125392

This, Rosa turning into an asteroid…fucking got me, I was weeping like a baby.


 No.125394

Can't believe 13 let Ryan get lynched in order to make history progress normally, ChibWho is really boundary breaking


 No.125395


 No.125396

>>125393

A daring synthesis


 No.125397

>>125394

that would be kino


 No.125398

I find myself wishing for a Peter Harness showrunner.


 No.125399

>>125395

Roberts is returning in the River Song audio series m8


 No.125400

"Yaz, wait here with Rosa. Ryan, go tear some posters down. Us whiteys will do the important stuff."


 No.125401

>>125398

Now that’s taking it a bit far


 No.125402

>terrorist on the way home from the mosque

we still dont know what she meant by this.


 No.125403

>>125394

Spoiler alert:

Yasmin tells her great great grandmother she's a lesbian, and she gets stoned to death by her ancestors


 No.125404

>>125399

I know, I said, yes, I am hyped too

I wish he gets more


 No.125405

>>125403

she does it to her mother and gets the same result in present times


 No.125406

File: b969d5f346fdc0d⋯.webm (2.4 MB, 640x640, 1:1, 1518892238122.webm)

this is the beggining of the episode

we thought it was the end


 No.125407

>>125402

hmm, I wonder what it could be


 No.125408

>>125402

she's getting called a terrorist when she's going home back from mosque.


 No.125409

File: ef00fe45506374d⋯.png (77.55 KB, 1202x381, 1202:381, GAMERSRISEUP.png)

I can't believe Ryan got lynched for being a gamer


 No.125410

>>125406

Expectations: Subverted


 No.125411

>>125405

no her mum blows up the london underground. Graham, upset at being the only one left wants to meet his ancestors. Being an O'Brien, The Doctor drops him off in Ireland in 1850 and then just fucks off, leaving him to starve


 No.125412

>it’s a giant spiders episode

wow great idea chris super original


 No.125413

File: 34795c6063c6c70⋯.png (498.56 KB, 1280x736, 40:23, vlcsnap-00009.png)

>>125412

I am kinda worried that Noth dies too soon


 No.125414

>>125411

Could this, dare I say it, be the Valeyard?


 No.125415


 No.125416

Do you think bringing Grace back to life will be a plot point?


 No.125417

>>125415

>Chad Boyle called Manisha a Paki and called her friend Ace a "Paki-lover".

Chad strikes again


 No.125418

>>125412

>13: Hang on, haven't I done this before? It's not every day that someone like me can say this but I'm pretty sure that I've had more than my fair share of giant killer spiders in the course of my life. Do you think we can sort this out with a can of insecticide, or do we really have to charge in there and hope for the best when we can just get rid of them with a swift and precise shoe-lobbing?


 No.125419

File: 6746f1120c2b84c⋯.png (298.22 KB, 720x418, 360:209, vlcsnap-00013.png)

Real Spoilers here

McGann became the villain of Holby, he killed a colleague doctor to hide his fake studies


 No.125420

>>125418

Metabilis 3


 No.125421

>>125419

He also caused that person to end up in locked-in syndrome


 No.125422

>>125419

>mcgann is now a fake doctor in two franchises

Being Paul is suffering


 No.125423

File: fce82209222e3f1⋯.jpg (9.2 KB, 188x255, 188:255, fce82209222e3f10d8af99cec8….jpg)

About to watch rosa

haven't read anything about it yet

should be fun!


 No.125424

>>125421

are you keeping up?


 No.125425

>>125423

one of many


 No.125426

>>125424

No, I happened to have the TV on in the kitchen and that episode was on


 No.125427

>>125423

>fun

Oh nononononononono


 No.125428

Cant believe we heard the terms negro and paki in the space of an hour and it wasn't nilso


 No.125429

>>125422

He was an Doctor in the Movie Paper Mask

that is the exactly same plot of Jodie's series: Trust Me


 No.125430

>>125429

Jodie lied about qualifications and got chucked in at the deep-end and faced the consequences. McGann lied about medical technology and left someone brain-dead and locked in their own body w/out being able to talk then "mercykilled" them. Bit of a difference.


 No.125431

>>125426

that's what my dad says too


 No.125432


 No.125433

>>125430

I was talking about Paper Mask, not Holby


 No.125434

>>125430

wtf thats vna dark


 No.125435

>>125431

Nilso is a secret Holbier


 No.125436

What material will Briggs plunder from for audios in 2019?


 No.125437

>>125430

I don’t remember that part of the TV Movie


 No.125438

>>125431

>>125435

Hey, if there's nothing better on…


 No.125439

>>125436

12th Doctor Chonicles with Toby Hadoke as Nardole


 No.125440

>>125438

im not judging you kek. There's nothing wrong with the odd soap


 No.125441

>>125437

Grace did declare McCoy dead and deadlocked him in the freezer


 No.125442

>>125440

Holby do impress me how anyone can become evil out of the blue but had telltales you were ignoring


 No.125443

>>125432

>I doubt the 3 of you have friends of colour or would date someone of colour so enough of the feigned self righteousness. I'm Asian and even across Twitter I can smell the stench of fake pc bullshit.

>I doubt many of them are in mixed relationships, nor have many ethnic friends so don't pretend to "care" or be "moved" by vapid pc shit when in reality you'll walk on by when it happens in REAL LIFE.

Look at this butthurt, somebody got turned down by the white girls at school lol


 No.125444

File: 0d69cfb7a227675⋯.jpg (600.89 KB, 1500x1144, 375:286, 1514760009507.jpg)


 No.125445

>>125443

He sounds kind of redpilled though, this is exactly the sort of TV that's primed to make white people feel better without pushing them to change how they think about anything at all.


 No.125446

>>125445

cure for white guilty sells


 No.125447

Will they make Rosa action figures?


 No.125449

>>125447

Why not just find a couple of rocks in the dirt outside.


 No.125450

File: d9c57d704f170c7⋯.gif (6.47 MB, 507x297, 169:99, workbench.gif)

i miss this set


 No.125451

File: 22d5d3e1c44618e⋯.gif (3.86 MB, 469x261, 469:261, slightly awkward.gif)


 No.125452

>>125450

Which ep?


 No.125453

>>125445

He's whining because even though white people care about minorities, they don't necessarily want to date them, befriend them or give them anything. There is literally nothing wrong with that but it completely grinds their gears because even in a time this overwhelmingly accepting of them they still can't get ahead.


 No.125454

File: 747e418a375e6db⋯.gif (83.88 KB, 540x275, 108:55, deleted scene 1.gif)

File: 2ff82ca4546e028⋯.gif (67.33 KB, 540x275, 108:55, deleted scene 2.gif)

File: 77bf9869d6a95fc⋯.gif (83.06 KB, 540x275, 108:55, deleted scene 3.gif)

File: aef703f9913bf13⋯.gif (68.09 KB, 540x276, 45:23, deleted scene 4.gif)


 No.125455

>>125452

It's a deleted scene. Either from the Caretaker or Flatline, but I cant remember which one


 No.125456

File: 5ae3e1ccceeb444⋯.gif (4.75 MB, 700x346, 350:173, this is gonna be fun.gif)

>>125423

okay actually starting for real now

this is gonna be fun!


 No.125457

File: b3be81c4bc049b5⋯.jpg (54.6 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0013.jpg)

did they literally give the bus driver a hat to make him look like a nazi, or did bus drivers back then actually wear those?

holy fucking shit


 No.125458

>>125419

i want to watch holby just for mcgann, but i don't care for the rest of it. i wish someone would put together a list of episodes and note down which parts to skip. i'd do it myself if i had been keeping up with it at all


 No.125459

File: 6165e27d12d2575⋯.jpg (37.12 KB, 864x776, 108:97, all-ss-reg.JPG)


 No.125460

>>125459

Are we the baddies /who/?


 No.125461

File: 233454f62846db5⋯.png (76.67 KB, 789x950, 789:950, exploitable.png)


 No.125462

File: 3da66c9e7e0e2f1⋯.webm (368.52 KB, 960x480, 2:1, dontthreatenme.webm)

Kinó performance. 13 one-hander a la Heaven Sent when?


 No.125463

File: f516001070aec40⋯.png (499.32 KB, 789x950, 789:950, rosakronk.png)


 No.125464

>>125463

Based as usual


 No.125465

>the pop song is literally telling Rosa to rise up


 No.125466

File: 3ec5a23082a9b2e⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 283.03 KB, 1055x1500, 211:300, Better than Series 11.jpg)

2nd anniversary of everyone's favourite show.

Say something nice about it.


 No.125467

>>125465

WE LIVE IN A

BOTTOM TEXT


 No.125468

Absolutely loved "Rosa". So well acted. Genuine shivers as Rosa was led off the bus, and how utterly ingenious of the writers to make Graham the white man whose presence on the bus compelled Rosa to make a stand by refusing to stand. Grace would have been proud of him.


 No.125469

>>125465

dont sit down, Rosa. Stand up. and go to the back of the bus


 No.125470

This may be the worst episode of the entirety of the revival (fuck off love and monsters is good), but I only truly became angry at it when it played the stupid rise up song again instead of the theme song over the credits. That was just fucking aggravating

>Chris Noth gets eaten by giant spider

>AHHHH WILL RIIIIIIIIIIISE UUUUUP MY SISTAS


 No.125471

File: dfa370f9e57b091⋯.jpg (147.4 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0019.jpg)

>making "whites only" glow so you really can't miss it

>even though it makes no sense for it to be so illuminated in the middle of the day


 No.125472

>>125470

honestly the ghost monument was the worst episode of new who and i mean that sincerely. at least Rosa was actually about something


 No.125473

>>125470

b a f f l i n g l y b a d


 No.125474

Reminder a black woman had to be moved from her seat in an airplane just yesterday because a racist didn't want to sit next to her.


 No.125475


 No.125476

File: 40ecb482b59bcea⋯.png (419.35 KB, 789x950, 789:950, rosasniper.png)

>>125466

Nightvisiting and Detained were okay episodes. April was cute.


 No.125477

nothing Doctor Who did inspired Rosa to have the will to sit for her rights yet Rosa gave them that glance

silly silly story


 No.125478

>>125477

She was looking at Ryan.


 No.125479

>>125474

nothing's fucking changed. I cant believe they gave into the racist guy. That's a PR nightmare, surely?


 No.125480

Rosa

Pros:

I found some of the jokes more hit than miss.

Josh Bowman and Vinette Robinson gave great performances.

You can tell where Malorie Blackman was writing.

Cons:

The Doctor is still bland as fuck.

The Companions are still basically nothing.

The messages were so poorly delivered that it hurt the points they were trying to make.

The moment in the motel with the officer broke the pacing.

>A fucking rock

Under basic inspection, Krasko's plan makes little to no sense.

The song at the end.

You can tell where Chris Chibnall was writing.


 No.125481

Anyone think the Ryan sending Krasko (I laughed every time that name was uttered) back in time was a bit conflicting with their earlier moral lesson

>GUNS! NEVAH YOOZ UM!

>EXCEPT FOR SPACE RACISTS

Dude probably got eaten by dinosaurs


 No.125482

Did Jodie mishear Krasko's real name like Tim Shaw?


 No.125483

>>125481

It wasn't a gun! It was a time displacement ray. It just looked like a gun, and fired like a gun, and probably killed the guy. That's all.


 No.125484

>>125480

>Under basic inspection, Krasko's plan makes little to no sense.

Why couldn't krasko just send rosa back in time? i assume the specific reason he had that weapon instead of an actual gun or whatever was because he wouldn't technically be hurting anyone. He shot at the doctor as well.

So why the hell didn't he just send rosa back to the Stone Age or something? And why wasn't he after MLK instead, really. The million pound question is, was Krasko retarded for not having a good plan, or was Chibs retarded for not being able to write a good plan?


 No.125485

Overnights when?


 No.125486

File: 2a1543f8502c084⋯.jpg (61.51 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0022.jpg)

why is the camera so close?


 No.125487

File: 99d5c1e01852a94⋯.gif (2.96 MB, 640x480, 4:3, dancing frog.gif)

why didn't krasko just wreck all the bus engines


 No.125488

The celebrity historical is a morally bankrupt genre.


 No.125489

>>125488

t. Loz


 No.125490

Give me a better idea for a black historical than Rosa.


 No.125491


 No.125492

File: 4693d533649cbef⋯.jpg (51.84 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0023.jpg)

>stop

did the director think this was clever?


 No.125493

Really nice of the BBC to let this fan series fill the gaps between Moffat leaving and the new showrunner arriving.

When does the new series start again?


 No.125494

>>125453

Maybe if they did something about their personalities…


 No.125495

>>125490

The Doctor and co. meet Mansa Musa. The reason he was giving away gold was to prepare people for a Cyberman invasion.


 No.125496

9's third outing- The Unquiet Kino

10's third outing- Tooth and Kino

11's third outing- Victory of the Shitleks

12's third outing- Robot of Shitwood

13's third outing- JUST


 No.125497

To be fair Chibnall could have an episode where it just shows a mayonnaise jar on screen for 50 minutes and people would love it, because they still hate Moffat that much.


 No.125498

>>125493

2021. not too long


 No.125499

>>125490

Do a story set during the bus boycotts which highlights the ways the activists were helping each other get around and communicating information. The plot can be anything, you can throw in an alien if you want, just as long as it isn't about protecting the arc of history or swooning over famous people.


 No.125500

>>125496

robots of sherwood was good, not great, but not shite either.


 No.125501

We don't serve Nilsos


 No.125502

>>125497

takes me back to 2010


 No.125503

Chibnall only did three series of Broadchurch. Perhaps he'll want to bow out after that on Who?


 No.125504


 No.125505

File: d2e82a40b6b2969⋯.jpg (307.05 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, 4fe1770a5d1a5afb9a449b86b1….jpg)

How long does it take for a google drive version to come out?


 No.125506

>>125504

Why do you think that?


 No.125507

>>125502

except the difference is that S5 was actually fun and exciting and S11 has been as dull as bricks thrown at a civil rights movement

but it's still getting universal praise from normies


 No.125508

>watch one of the absolute worst episodes I've ever seen

>go on Reddit, AMAZING, BRILLIANT, I CRIED

>go on Twitter, people are saying it's the best episode ever done

>go on critics reviews, POWERFUL, DOESN'T PULL PUNCHES

WHAT THE FUCK. we actually need Krasko to go back and stop chibnall from making this


 No.125509

>>125506

i dont know, I just have this weird gut feeling he'll do 2 seasons


 No.125510

File: 1208637fa01742a⋯.jpg (27.67 KB, 601x508, 601:508, 2f7.jpg)

>>125508

It'll be fine anon


 No.125511

>>125508

Mayoid angry that other people are enjoying a doctor who episode. Must be a moffag


 No.125512

>>125508

8ch…… are we the baddies?


 No.125513

>>125508

The worst part for me was there were scenes I actually liked in this episode and I feel like Chibnall got Blackman to write scenes like that to give him an excuse to write clickbait garbage like Rosa, knowing that the not-we would eat this shit up.


 No.125514

>>125511

I'm an RTD patrician, you chibcuck.


 No.125515

File: ecb0a648ff0ff26⋯.jpg (56.68 KB, 1920x960, 2:1, doctor.who.2005.s11e03.108….jpg)


 No.125516

>>125497

The problem is that social commentary = glowing praise, regardless of the actual writing quality.

And thus Chibnall can be in the job for as long as he wants.

Someone needs to show him how RTD handled Martha in Human Nature/Family of Blood


 No.125517

>Amazing what you can learn from a coloured

How did Chibnall get away with that line?


 No.125518

File: 633a0667b5011de⋯.png (440.31 KB, 808x805, 808:805, 8a00fbaa6232572239078fa9e0….png)

Remember that bit where Ryan gets the facts wrong and it's a joke that actually lands and then it's instantly undermined by him explaining how informed he actually is because black people can't be seen to be ignorant, it's like this series wants to sabotage itself at every turn


 No.125519

File: 295bcf79886f558⋯.jpg (58.23 KB, 751x497, 751:497, by malorie blackman and ch….jpg)

*record scratch* *freeze frame*

You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.


 No.125520

If it were an RTD or Moffat episode the bus would've had a monster on it or Rosa would've been from the planet Blackonius

and it would've been more fun


 No.125521

>>125520

RTD and Moffat would've had the intelligence not to write it.


 No.125522

>>125520

If it were an RTD or Moffat episode they would've stopped this episode at the pitching stage.


 No.125523

honestly I thought it was the best episode of S11 so far

change my mind


 No.125524

>>125520

That bus driver who got baited by graham into literally trying to stop the blacks from rising up must be a descendant of the guy capaldi BTFO'd. Why was it only Russell that could avoid the cartoonish racism? Why hasn't he come back yet bros?


 No.125525

File: 5b80a7cb53fc21f⋯.jpg (159.36 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, somethingblandaf.jpg)


 No.125526

>>125523

it was, but that's not much of an accomplishment


 No.125527

>>125518

So much modern writing feels schizophrenic like that

>tell a good story

<but make sure it ticks all of these boxes that aren't conductive to good story telling

>write good characters

<but also write them in a way that no one gets offended, thus making them boring

>be edgy

<but be safe


 No.125528

We're getting Gandhikino soon


 No.125529

Krasco effectively gets written out of the story

we don't know where he ended up, ryan could have sent him to instant death for all we know


 No.125530

File: d396b2bb33f151e⋯.jpg (317.29 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-15 at ….jpg)

YOU

JUST

KNOW


 No.125531

>>125523

You being right doesn't make it subpar at its absolute most.


 No.125532

>>125531

*more than subpar


 No.125533

>>125530

did jenna get into coke or something right before they started filmign Series 8? she lost a lot of weight


 No.125534

>>125530

The Capaldick was pretty big, but Jodie's dick is bigger


 No.125535

SHE HAD A FLOATING SPACE ROCK NAMED AFTER HER

SHE C H A N G E D THE UNIVERSE

FUCK


 No.125536

This was chibnall's attempt at an "educational" episode

He really is using the hartnell era as his main source of inspiration


 No.125537

File: d007eb93c8432b2⋯.jpg (307.91 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-16 at ….jpg)

>>125534

>>125530

well we know for a fact that Matt's was big too


 No.125538

File: c720c550544e1a6⋯.jpg (27.29 KB, 551x77, 551:77, and chris chibnall.jpg)

The words that kicked away a thousand kinos.


 No.125540

File: 01ebd59fa1cc1af⋯.jpg (200.67 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, DqE4zvjW4AAXJI2.jpg)


 No.125541

File: 7046082a6ce780a⋯.jpg (535.35 KB, 1440x1440, 1:1, GUAAAARD.jpg)

>>125537

>>125530

I WANNA TASTE JENNA'S PUSY AAAAAAAAAA


 No.125542

I forget, did Graham and Yaz talk this episode?


 No.125543

>>125542

no they've yet to interact


 No.125544

I haven't seen it yet but…now here me out, what if we forget this episode happened?

I mean, Chibbers said you can watch the episodes in any order, so leaving this out of the series wouldn't be a bad idea, right?

Unless it has major character developments that would be jarring going from TGM to Spooki Spiders :/


 No.125545

Here's a list of more people who changed the universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets_named_after_people


 No.125546

Oh, look! It's a The Americans Try To Pretend That People Outside The US Were As Horrible To Black People As They Were episode!

Rosa parks had literally 0 influence on anything that happened in the UK, and I don't know why the BBC is trying to pretend she did.


 No.125547

File: ee22816fb04de2d⋯.jpg (147.06 KB, 1920x960, 2:1, doctor.who.2005.s11e03.108….jpg)

BrILLIANT!


 No.125548

Rosa was such a powerful episode. Seeing what life was like back then, the struggle and the sheer importance of the moment Rosa Parks remained seated on that bus… It was magnificent!


 No.125549

File: 563fbc86e1625fe⋯.png (20.49 KB, 580x286, 290:143, this is the future.png)


 No.125550

File: 0473a67058aeced⋯.jpg (125.51 KB, 1920x960, 2:1, doctor.who.2005.s11e03.108….jpg)

dont threaten me


 No.125551

>>125544

It should be easy to, I doubt any of the events that happened in this episode will ever get mentioned again outside of a passing reference to having met rosa parks


 No.125552

File: a5aa97757f44521⋯.jpg (62.91 KB, 586x607, 586:607, a5aa97757f4452158e98a984dd….jpg)

>3 weeks until /ourguy/ Vinjay Patel singlehandedly saves Series 11 and ushers in the Curry Age

get hype, lads


 No.125553

>>125551

thank fuck for that. I really don't want to watch it. Considering dropping New Who completely desu.

It's just so boring .-.


 No.125554

>>125550

She's not even trying is she. I get the script is shit but what the fuck is she even doing


 No.125555

Weren't they gonna do a Gandhi kino in Series 4 but RTD turned it down in favor of Agatha Christie kino?


 No.125556

>>125549

We live in a fucking society. RFS confirmed shills


 No.125557

>>125555

>RTD's explanation in The Writer's Tale was that he didn't want to film in India because "Christ, imagine the smell!"

jesus, Rusty


 No.125558

>>125544

Why not? I've already decide i'm not watching TWWFTE on rewatches.

>>125546

I also have no idea how this fits in with Moffats blackwashing of history where minorities were everywhere including in positions of authority.


 No.125559

>>125556

They've been shills for years.


 No.125560

doh thretan me


 No.125561

>>125552

Bollywood Doctor Who would actually be more fun at this point. Can we rent them the license?


 No.125562

File: 4beb87b623be35d⋯.mp4 (815.4 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, rosa audio.mp4)

listen to this fucking audio job

you can hear the background noise cut in and out as rosa speaks

why didn't they ADR it?


 No.125563

>>125546

The show never said she affected the UK. But the ep makes clear that people like her are what fight racism everywhere.

>The Americans Try To Pretend That People Outside The US Were As Horrible To Black People As They Were

The UK were bad in their own way to African and other colonial people. It took a while to get where we are now.


 No.125564

>>125562

holy fucking shit


 No.125565

>>125560

I liked that line. 13 overall is more matter-of-fact than the other Doctors have been.


 No.125566

File: 705546e6202642a⋯.jpg (66.76 KB, 679x717, 679:717, doctor_who_2005.9x05.the_g….jpg)

>>125552

>tfw KNOW hype is a bad idea, but so desperately need Vinaykino to be real because it seems so tantalisingly possible

I'll settle for an episode that's just okay at this point! As long as it doesn't devolve into a shitfest like Rosa and is better written than The Ghost Monument, I'll chalk it up as a win!


 No.125567

>>125546

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_civil_rights_movement

Well the US civil rights movement helped inspire the northern irish civil rights movement, giving disenfranchised catholics the chance of equality, especially when MLK mentioned "no irish" signs in one speech. This was one of many factors in the troubles which led to bombings in mainland britain (so not just NI). Years later, islamic terrorist groups copied the techniques that the IRA developed, and ended up also using them on the UK.

Therefore in the long run, Rosa Parks should have been arrested by the UK police for the many UK citizens who died indirectly as a result of her actions.


 No.125568

>>125563

Where are we now?


 No.125569

>>125559

>>125556

Are there any good Who podcasts?


 No.125570

>>125565

yeah the line itself is fine but jodies delivery is awful


 No.125571

>>125567

All because a lazy tart couldn't stand up smh.


 No.125572

episode should've been about claudette colvin desu


 No.125573

>cheap and nasty time travel

literally stealing dialog from moffat


 No.125574

>>125565

I felt her delivery of that line was weird. She's usually a pretty good actress though. I do like her matter-of-fact-ness


 No.125575

File: 563e5edb0679e38⋯.gif (573.14 KB, 320x200, 8:5, confusedblackadder.gif)

>mfw the entire asteroid sequence at the end

what the fuck was that


 No.125576

>>125567

I change my mind, up rosa and up the fucking ra


 No.125577

There is still hope lads, don't give up just yet. 3 chances at kino blown, but seven more yet to come.

1x4 (Arachnids in the U.K) (Guest starring Shobna Gulati and Chris Noth)

1x5 (The Tsuranga Conundrum) (Guest starring Brett Goldstein, Lois Chimimba, Suzanne Packer and Ben Bailey Smith)

1x6 (Demons of the Punjab) (Guest starring Amita Suman, Hamzah Cheetoah and Shane Zaza)

1x7 (Voyage of the Druids) (Guest starring Phyllis Logan)

1x9 (Night Shift) (Guest starring Lee Mack and Julie Hesmondaugh)

1x8 (The Witchfinders) (Guest starring Alan Cumming and Siobhan Finneran)

1x10 (Finale)

>>125575

She turned into an asteroid


 No.125578

>>125554

>>125550

I mean, didn't we want the NuWho Doctors to be less dramatic? That's how Jodie delivers her lines–simple, without fanfare. That line delievery reminded me of Nine more than anything.


 No.125579

13 confronting Krasco in the warehouse at night is currently the definitive performance of her era


 No.125580

>>125575

It's what happens when you don't have the fortitude to talk honestly about real change in the world, because that's complicated and messy, so you substitute in something utterly pathetic because it sounds flashy.


 No.125581

>>125571

yeah she basically is responsible for ISIS. (thinking about it, imagine doing something so notable that you can draw lines of influence throughout history. Mine were ridiculous though, and barely make sense)


 No.125582

>>125577

>1x4 (Arachnids in the U.K) (Guest starring Shobna Gulati and Chris Noth)

>1x5 (The Tsuranga Conundrum) (Guest starring Brett Goldstein, Lois Chimimba, Suzanne Packer and Ben Bailey Smith)

These are both written by Chibnall. They're going to be The Ghost Monument tier.


 No.125583

>>125575

Her efforts are remembered and memorialized years and years into the future, despite the hardships of her life. That was the point.


 No.125584

>>125577

Lee Mack episode's gonna be before Mark Addy episode.


 No.125585

File: 304d82696b98044⋯.jpg (137.19 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0027.jpg)

what the fuck is going on with the gallifreyan text on the step? Why is it only partially lit up? It looks like the light is coming from the light bars under the floor, and there's no effort put into intentionally lighting up the gallifreyan text despite it being semitransparent to allow for light to shine through


 No.125586

>>125578

That's not just nondramatic, it's devoid of life, Immigrant. It's a completely dry take.


 No.125587

>>125578

I really liked her delivery on this, actually. Might be the first time she's gotten actually serious and not meme serious. God i just want a fucking good writer for her, please MOFFAT JUST DO ONE EPISODE


 No.125588

>>125569

I like Doctor Who: The Writer's Room.


 No.125589

>>125583

I was okay with it, but then I got curious and googled the cost of naming an asteroid after yourself, and it's honestly cheaper than a park bench where im from.


 No.125590

>>125569

https://whobackwhen.com/

I love this one.

A couple of rotating hosts, you can write 250 word reviews they read out after they give their scores.

They're reviewing:

Classic (near the end of Pertwee already)

New (going on to The God Complex)

Audio and some comics


 No.125591

>>125569

/who/ cares


 No.125592

>>125262

FEMDOM

E

M

D

O

M


 No.125593

>>125591

we should do other episodes once we're in the off season


 No.125594

>>125582

I'm telling you, The Tsuranga Conundrum will be okay. There's no massive sets from the looks of it so Chib can't waste the whole episode with the cast just walking to the next thing like Ghost Monument. It's not a bottle episode but the scope looks to be much smaller.

>>125584

Like this perhaps? We won't get Witchfinders straight after Demons of the Punjab I don't think.

1x7 (Night Shift) (Guest starring Lee Mack and Julie Hesmondaugh)

1x8 (Voyage of the Druids) (Guest starring Phyllis Logan and Mark Addy)

1x9 (The Witchfinders) (Guest starring Alan Cumming and Siobhan Finneran)

1x10 (Finale)


 No.125595

>>125563

>The show never said she affected the UK.

Didn't Yaz say that it was because of Rosa's actions that's she able to be a police officer now?


 No.125596

File: 2f4fca842d2c506⋯.jpg (132.73 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0030.jpg)

So is this meant to be a LED screen in the actual tardis, even though it has a flowy gas graphic on it?

The bill clinton footage is superimposed on with a digital scanline effet, but you can still make out the LED grid from the physical screen separate to that


 No.125597

>>125582

>Graham realizing that he's the one that Rosa gives up the seat for

Come on, that's a well-done, almost VNA-ish twist. Forcing him to compromise his values to keep time together.


 No.125598

>>125583

It's a fucking rock floating in space. Is that really the best way to show her legacy in advancing civil rights?


 No.125599

>>125597

honestly that moment of moral ambiguity was probably the best part of the episode


 No.125600

File: bd2f693b27ed6a9⋯.jpg (146.15 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-21 at ….jpg)

>>125597

Bradders is 3/3 when it comes to being the best thing about each ep


 No.125601

>>125595

No. People keep misreading the phrase. She said "people like Rosa."


 No.125602

>>125596

>you can still make out the LED grid from the physical screen separate to that

the LED screen could have maybe worked with Tennant's TARDIS, but filmed in such high definition, the pixels are easy to see


 No.125603

>>125594

Yeah. We know that 9 is The Witchfinders, so it follows that Chibbs is a hack and we're getting Present/Space/Past in order for the whole series.


 No.125604

It's clear that 13 and Graham have the best chemistry, so when do they ditch Ryan and Yasmin who are basically just extras?


 No.125605

>>125598

Maybe not, but it showed that she was remembered. A Year 3000 "Rosa monument" might have been better, though.

>>125599

Agreed. I also liked how the TARDIS team worked together well, and even Yaz got some moments to show her chemistry with the cast.

>>125600

Yep. I liked Ryan's scenes in Ep 1, though.


 No.125606

>>125585

seeing that time rotor in motion makes it look like its in pain, its clearly too heavy to go up, but fucking plummets when going down.


 No.125607

>>125604

Actually, I think the team worked well together in this ep. Ryan and Graham work great, as do Ryan and Yaz. 13 and Yaz just need time to hang out.


 No.125608

>>125604

Relegate Ryan to Adam tier pseudo-companion who comes along for some adventures. Recast Mandip as the Rani.


 No.125609

File: bde191deb75eba8⋯.mp4 (5.05 MB, 1280x640, 2:1, rosa asteroid.mp4)


 No.125610

>>125609

god that time rotor is even more fucking phallic because of the way it moves now.


 No.125611

>>125609

A

FUCKING

ROCK


 No.125612

Are there any uploads of the new TARDIS instruction manual that was released the other day? I have the book, but there's some really lovely images of various console rooms in it, and it'd be nice to get HD pics of those to post.


 No.125613

Honestly haven't felt this empty since Asylum of the Daleks.


 No.125614

>>125612

this, PLEASE


 No.125615

>>125609

Fuck AAAAAAAAH this must be one of the worst ways any episode has ever ended. It's so divorced from any human reality.


 No.125616

File: b5730d0d9699a31⋯.mp4 (8.05 MB, 1280x640, 2:1, rosa racism.mp4)

>"terrorist" on the way home from the mosque

>"terrorist on the way home from the mosque"

which was it?


 No.125617

What would have been a funnier pop song to end on?

I Gotta Feeling - Black Eyed Peas

Party Rock Anthem - LMFAO

Hero - Enrique Iglesias


 No.125618

>>125616

for you


 No.125619

>>125617

Glorious - Mackelmore


 No.125620

>>125617

>GET OFF THIS BUS YOU DIRTY STINKING NIGGER APE OR I'LL FUCKING LYNCH YOU AND YOUR DAMN NIGGER FAMILY

>*party rockers in the house tonight plays*


 No.125621

>>125614

Have you seen the pictures, anon? I think the images of the older (and more exclusive) console rooms are reconstructions using 3D modelling, but they're really well done. There's one of the TVM interior that I was particularly excited about because it's from an angle not often seen in the production photos, and certainly not in HD. There's also an image of Missy's TARDIS, which was posted here a couple of threads back… kind of surprised it was included, seeing as it was never shown on-screen (or even built), but it's really nice.


 No.125622

>>125621

ive seen a few, im really hoping for a pdf.


 No.125623

>>125609

Damn…this is the "Eleven shows Van Gogh his paintings in a museum" moment of the Chib era…powerful stuff.


 No.125624

>>125619

Requesting an edit of that scene where Rosa gets arrested where the song is replaced with Mackelmore instead. Make it happen /who/


 No.125625

>>125620

>Bradders dabs


 No.125626

>I loved the scene. The acting is extraordinary and that is what I think has powered this series. I’m also proud of a line – I’m very rarely proud of anything I write – but I’m proud of the line ‘Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?’ because I got obsessed when I started to write this that Cybermen have no emotion, so it starts with Clara unable to find a way to say I love you and ends with Danny unable to find a way to say I love you, there are two phone calls that book-end it, and in the middle, the cracked old Caledonian gets it exactly right, he says I love you perfectly. […]

>He’s surprised he has to say it. That’s the truth about him, he says lots of horrible things all the time, that’s because he assumes all the other stuff is taken for granted and it’s only in that moment Clara realises just how much he’s assuming is taken for granted, absolute monomaniacal devotion to her. He absolutely loves her.

just make it, really


 No.125627

>>125622

As soon as I find a link, I'll post it here, along with the images. It's a good book, I didn't expect it to go into as much detail as it does. Obviously, it's mostly made-up technical gibberish, but I do appreciate the attempts to go into particular detail about things.


 No.125628

File: a30d8581f60cf48⋯.jpg (206.67 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0026.jpg)

why is ryan being so mean?

he has moments of endearing childlike playfulness, then he completely shuts out whenever graham tries to connect to him


 No.125629

>>125627

ive been searching too, so ill probably post if i find it as well.


 No.125630

>>125629

Excellent! Hopefully with at least two of us looking, we'll be able to find it… assuming it's been uploaded, of course.


 No.125631

4chan seems to hate it just as much as we do, but for different reasons


 No.125632

>>125628

>Ryan tries to fistbump a racist

>refuses to fistbump the progressive Graham

Wait……. that's not….. could it really be….. KRASKO!?


 No.125633

found this link claiming to have a pdf, but sadly when trying to gain access, the email failed to sent to the host, you're free to try though: https://www.google.no/mymaps/viewer?mid=14vZg0ff-yY2vItugFzJ0yE8Px01eFdXY&hl=no


 No.125634

File: d895bbffbeb5027⋯.jpg (629.64 KB, 1330x1601, 1330:1601, rosacontinuity.jpg)

>>125609

god I heart this bloody programme


 No.125635

>>125633

a pdf of what?


 No.125636

File: f54c59a8f6f3cbe⋯.jpg (292.78 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-21 at ….jpg)

>mfw listening to comfy marigold tracks


 No.125637

>episodes start with the theme intro

>three companions

>mostly historicals

>slowish plots

They're trying to be modern Hartnell era aren't they?


 No.125638

>>125635

The new tardis manual that was released


 No.125639

>>125637

Don't forget that they're trying to be educational with all the fact spouting about rosa parks


 No.125640

>>125637

the episodes are slightly racist


 No.125641


 No.125642

>>125637

The BBC has apparently decided that hartnell was also a Space Racist so they're giving his era a redo


 No.125643

>>125632

At some point Krasko and Ryan switched. That's why "Ryan" had no problem sending "Krasko" to the past, because he's actually a cosmic racist with no morals.

>>125637

I fucking hate that there aren't any cold opens. Very high on my list of grievances this series.


 No.125644

File: 678cf5b78cfd61a⋯.mp4 (13.24 MB, 1280x640, 2:1, rosa rise up.mp4)


 No.125645

File: 4e3b371f9ea14d3⋯.png (507.26 KB, 557x503, 557:503, sssssssssssssss.png)

>>125636

>tfw driving home on the empty roads at 4am from the night shift as you blast Fear with the windows open as the cool fall air rushes in

Tears and goosebumps every time


 No.125646

>>125637

>episodes start with the theme intro

I keep expecting the cold open to end a few minutes in and the theme tune to start


 No.125647

>>125644

Now replace the music with Glorious


 No.125648

>>125643

I was really hoping for one, because I love the screech that always plays during the stinger. It really doesn't fit at all with the new opening though and is only being played in the credits.

>ywn again get someone saying something shocking

>closeup of the doctor's face looking really shocked or confused

>EEEEEWWWWWW dundundun, dundundun, dundundun, dadada, OOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOO

FUCK YOU SEGUN… AND YOUR FUCKING DUBSTEP


 No.125649

Anyone have that (fake?) book cover where it said "Analysis of the Capaldi era's nihilism and how it ruined the show" from a few threads back?


 No.125650

>>125642

I mean Moffat already decided that he was a Space Misogynist back in TUAT.


 No.125651

>>125616

So are they saying Yasmin is accused of being muslim by racists or she actually is muslim?


 No.125652

>>125651

who nose

if yasmin was muslim, surely they would be promoting that for brownie points


 No.125653

>>125652

they're saving that for the demons of punjab


 No.125654

Just realized we've had two episodes in a row in which people aren't allowed to hurt anyone (Race rules and Krasko's chip). Seems like a weird plot point to reuse.


 No.125655

>>125650

>tfw Ryan sent Krasko back in time

>as far back as it goes

>Krasko lands in the Stone Age

>An Unearthly Child begins

Are we really sure that the Doctor was the man we saw in TUAT?

Are we really sure that David Bradley was playing hartnell?


 No.125656

>>125654

the spiders arent allowed to hurt anyone. Neither is the foetus monster, the carrionites, lee mack, or the muslims. This is so that the final episode is shocking when the stenza kill a fuck ton of people


 No.125657

chib thinks someone not being able to kill someone and having to send them through time is clever


 No.125658

File: 5cfe5d110506964⋯.jpg (111.07 KB, 751x1200, 751:1200, 20f747fbcf3befccafc2da8012….jpg)

>>125655

>it's the ending of Sometime Never all over again


 No.125659

>>125199

>>125215

Arguably this is chibnall's populist pandering in effect.

Demographic data would show that there are more white people in the audience than black people, so to create a story that would have emotional resonance in the largest quantity of people means putting focus on the how the white characters react since the audience identifies most with them.

Note that yasmin and ryan were also in the same position as 13 and graham so it's not as simple as a "white people" thing, although I don't think yas is seen after the pop song starts. The focus is definitely put on 13 and graham, but there is a moment of ryan connecting to rosa as well.

I don't think that them introducing a moral dilemma into the story should be considered a bad thing, it was the first time this series there's been any real attempt of adding depth.


 No.125660

So..just finished it. That was something.

>tfw I had a star named after me when I was 8

I didn't even have to get arrested.


 No.125661

>>125660

There's a star out there named Cloister???


 No.125662

>>125660

Where is the Cloister Star?


 No.125663

>>125661

>>125662

I don't recall where the plaque thingy is, but you can have one too for the low low price of $55.00.

https://www.starregistry.com/


 No.125664

I have a friend who owns a piece of the moon. I don't know how much value it has anymore, since the moon turned out to be a fucking egg. Imagine having a certificate stating you owned a piece of an egg


 No.125665

File: 6d30ba8023d5124⋯.jpg (148.09 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0016.jpg)

this was such a horribly framed shot

why would they position the camera so you get HALF of the gallifreyan text on the steps? Why didn't they just move the camera slightly so you either didn't see the step or saw the whole step?


 No.125666


 No.125667

File: 9bcfbcdd5a239f5⋯.jpg (962.22 KB, 2153x2919, 2153:2919, Brigadier Poster - Doctor ….jpg)


 No.125668

>>125484

Maybe that would have attracted the attention of Time Agents, completely displacing a significant historical person from their time? It honestly seemed like a game Krasko was playing, seeing how little he could nudge history for the biggest impact.


 No.125669

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2H1wBoLw484

>3 episodes in

>can neither recognise or bring to mind ANYTHING from the soundtrack except Krasko's Jaws theme

>marigold is gone forever and will never come back

AKINOLA'D


 No.125670

Rosa would have been better as an episode of Hustle, prove me wrong


 No.125671

Rank the episode so far


 No.125672

File: dfa370f9e57b091⋯.jpg (147.4 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0019.jpg)

can I just point this out again

they have so little faith in their audience that they make "whites only" glow bright in the middle of the day, just to make sure there is zero chance of anybody missing it (assuming they're not looking at their phone)


 No.125673

>>125671

3 > 1 > 2


 No.125674

File: 764ffc88142812f⋯.gif (912.42 KB, 450x253, 450:253, 1367113919881.gif)

>>125669

>tfw you will never experience the pure euphoria from Marigold's music matched with Moffat's writing again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzeeAUeIOzc


 No.125675

File: 03469de5d17c9d0⋯.png (35.07 KB, 1137x288, 379:96, ss (2018-10-21 at 10.34.23….png)

WOO


 No.125676

File: d9ce6319482fac5⋯.png (293.62 KB, 544x362, 272:181, 1511527609410.png)

>>125674

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqE2onQUSk

>that reprisal of Mad Man In A Box


 No.125677

>>125672

desu I look at my phone a lot of the time during Chibnall Who.


 No.125678

>>125673

I'm 3>2>1 as the plot for Ghost Monument didn't feel as drawn out and pointless. Though that isn't saying much


 No.125679

>>125649

I must have missed that, I'd love to see it too


 No.125680

File: 5e63dc2ffb5a349⋯.png (2.46 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1501558778108.png)

GOD I MISS HIM SO MUCH LADS


 No.125681

>>125678

ghost monument had way more "this is dumb" moments which dragged the episode down for me. Woman kept me moderately engaged for its whole duration, but TGM lost me multiple times


 No.125682


 No.125683

>>125680

Fucking Hbomb telling casuals that Moffat was bad.


 No.125684

>>125680

Someone should make a "THE END OF DOCTOR WHO" pic with Chibs' head and RTD and Moff on the shore.


 No.125685

>>125683

i hate that retard so much


 No.125686

File: a8f783c4d032206⋯.mp4 (1.72 MB, 1280x640, 2:1, krasco theme.mp4)

THE KINO IS NO LONGER HERE YOU ARE STUCK WITH ME


 No.125687

>>125675

I've built up a tolerance for Moff fans and Russ fans fighting each other, but I never really thought about how there'd be Chinballs shitting on BOTH of them. I'm seething


 No.125688

>>125676

>the score softly swelling when he starts getting emotional about the time war

I WANT TO GO BACK

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BJP9o4BEziI


 No.125689

File: 651c49a1da4ad25⋯.jpg (50.99 KB, 768x511, 768:511, 651c49a1da4ad252b53e8b9013….jpg)

>tfw you aren't living in the timeline where RTD and Moffat team up and unify their vision to deliver kino to us all

It's like having a foursome with three smoking babes and the two that were super into it have gone to get cleaned up and you're left drenched in sweat with the one who isn't really all that into it and will only half heartedly wank you off while you watch Netflix.


 No.125690

>>125687

When I was younger I didnt understand why everyone seemed to hate Rusty. When I got older I fuckin hated the weird side-taking.

Now I might just be beginning an era I actually dont like…… y i k e s


 No.125691

File: bd089a1d491241f⋯.jpg (774.97 KB, 2560x1440, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-21 at ….jpg)

>ywn see quality acting in Doctor Who again


 No.125692

>>125689

im sure we can all relate to that


 No.125693

File: 5e309bb3a89a1b6⋯.jpg (982.88 KB, 2560x1440, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-21 at ….jpg)

>>125691

>"I'd say I'm sorry but I'd just do it again."

fuck I forgot how good Coleman was in this episode. I've always said she gave the best non-Doctor acting performance in the show by far but I always think of Series 9 as an example of that. She was great in Series 8 too, especially in Dark Water/Death in Heaven


 No.125694

>>125665

I think this shot would actually look fine in 16:9

like it was shot before they made the decision to change the aspect ratio to 2:1, so the cameramen weren't using the right guide frames?


 No.125695

>>125691

>Jodie trained at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama, graduating in 2005 with the highest prize, the Acting Gold Medal.

>is great in black mirror among other things

>*chibnall teleports behind her*

>psssh….. you thought you were going to be allowed to act?


 No.125696

>>125691

Especially not with Jodie


 No.125697

>>125682

I hated this episode and was kinda losing interest in the show (especially with the Ponds as companions) but Amy's final scene still made me full-on ugly cry when I watched it


 No.125698

>>125694

they're using anamorphic lenses this series, which means they're filming natively in 2.39:1 and cropping it to 2:1. It looks like fucking shit and I don't know if that's the reason (and this is coming from someone who absolutely LOVES the look of anamorphic lenses) but it's something I've been thinking about. The directing and editing in general has been awful, so who knows


 No.125699

>>125332

Fuck off.


 No.125700

>>125691

Dark Water is so fucking good goddamn


 No.125701

File: 97a67f3230c73d7⋯.jpg (234.84 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, mpv-shot0031.jpg)

rorys gay


 No.125702

File: 073e27c04167a1b⋯.jpg (858.38 KB, 2560x1440, 16:9, Screen Shot 2018-10-22 at ….jpg)

>Moffat/Talalay visuals


 No.125703

>the Valeyard should be showing up at any point now

>he isn't

Moffat should've just bloody done it in season 9 or 10, because Chinballs will NEVER touch it. Le Too Confusing For New Audiences


 No.125704

File: d252cf5346f1dae⋯.jpg (351.9 KB, 1289x725, 1289:725, childnall.jpg)

>>125702

>Chibnall/Childs edition


 No.125705

>>125703

eh… it's fine.


 No.125706

>>125704

it's painful because it's true. literally every close-up in S11 so far is……. uncomfortably close up


 No.125707

Chibnall who is all the camp of the RTD era but without any of the self awareness


 No.125708

File: 40f3db7989dfc39⋯.jpg (57.29 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0021.jpg)

>>125706

I don't know what you mean


 No.125709

>>125707

>We get the camp of RTD back

>But not on purpose

what a price to pay


 No.125710

>>125709

>what a price to pay

PAY THE PRIZE

OR PAY THE PRICE


 No.125711

>>125708

>That one shot where Jodie takes a step back and the camera completely goes out of focus

Who the fuck is doing this to the show?


 No.125712

File: bbf650776eaa1d2⋯.jpg (120.68 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, mpv-shot0018.jpg)

jodie's sleeves have pink lining


 No.125713

Monsters of the chibnall era

>tooth man

>a floating rag

>a fucking white male


 No.125714

>>125712

she's so cute somebody please get her some good writing

>>125713

Next up: spiders and an Indian Ghost


 No.125715

don't forget each Doctor is meant to be a mirror to the previous one. Ten was cool but he didn't think so, Eleven was "cool" and he really thought so. Then you have the old, grumpy guy as Twelve and the bubbly Thirteen.


 No.125716

what's krazco's backstory? what made him racist? what made him kill so many people?


 No.125717

>>125710

i had forgotten about that


 No.125718

>>125715

twelve wasn't grumpy


 No.125719

>>125716

He was a /pol/poster who stole a vortex manipulator. I really think that was the extent of his backstory


 No.125720

>>125718

But 12 was sarcastic and introverted. 13 is bubblier, and much more socially and emotionally intelligent.


 No.125721

>>125716

he was based and redpilled


 No.125722

>>125716

>white

>male

speaks for itself really, chibnall has mastered show dont tell


 No.125723

>>125722

You can't criticise series 11 or else the police will lock you up


 No.125724

they told me i couldn't sing the doctor who theme song

i told them "doo wee woo"


 No.125725

I tried to talk. I want you to remember that. I tried to reach out, I tried to understand you, but I think that you understand us perfectly.

And I think you just don't care. And I don't know whether you are here to invade, infiltrate or just replace us.

I don't suppose it really matters now. You are cletuses. That is the role you seem determined to play. So it seems I must play mine.

The man that stops the cletuses.

I'm sending you back to /pol/. Who knows? Some of you may even survive the trip. And, if you do, remember this. You are not welcome here. This board is protected.


 No.125726

I feel glorious, glorious


 No.125727

>>125725

>you are not welcome here

Wait…. that sounds….. was 12 a Cosmic Racist?


 No.125728

>>125727

The boneless were killing people maliciously


 No.125729

>>125725

ironic


 No.125730

File: 195570f4a82db8f⋯.png (32.83 KB, 801x285, 267:95, ClipboardImage.png)

powerful


 No.125731

File: f07bdd3a460c40c⋯.png (59.88 KB, 869x328, 869:328, ClipboardImage.png)

everything about this comment is fucking hilarious


 No.125732

Why have none of chibnall’s character writing skills from broadchurch carried over to doctor who?


 No.125733

>>125731

>and it was incredible

>t. Krasko


 No.125734

>>125731

I honestly felt the episode did a good job making the racism feel like an important element of the plot.


 No.125735

>>125734

i agree with you there


 No.125736

>>125215

Hot take: the moral dilemma of needing to be implicit in racism for the greater good makes for a far more interesting climax than just playing a black power moment straight


 No.125737

>>125734

>every white person is cartoonishly racist

>the bus driver abandons his fishing trip to stop the blacks from rising up, "NOT ON MY BUS!"

>English people care about rosa parks

>the really forced conversation behind the bins

I've no problem with a show confronting racism but hopefully next time we get a good writer to do it


 No.125738

>>125737

Have you seen the video of the white dude screeching about a black woman sitting next to him on a plane from a few days ago? Would you describe that as cartoonish?


 No.125739

>>125738

he was british too


 No.125740

>>125738

>people are racist in real life so that means if people are racist in our show, that means it's really good


 No.125741

>>125737

>English people care about rosa parks

>Ryan didn't really care THAT much at first ("she's American!"), though he got star-struck once he met her, and MLK. Also, getting slapped in the face and threatened for lynching by a 1950s racist tends to make one care about civil rights really quick.

Graham cared due to Grace, who did seem the type to care about that. As someone who grew up in the colonial times in India, having Rosa as a role model makes sense.

Yaz cared because she found Rosa's struggle inspiring.as a Pakistani woman dealing with racism.

>every white person is cartoonishly racist

>the bus driver abandons his fishing trip to stop the blacks from rising up, "NOT ON MY BUS!"

That's how people of that time and place generally talked and thought.

>the really forced conversation behind the bins

The lines were a bit wordy. But the delivery was good.

Overall, I think Yaz had much better time in this ep than the previous ones.


 No.125742

>>125740

>>people are racist in real life so that means if people are racist in our show, that means it's really good

…Yes? When trying to depict actual racists in a show, the fact that it correlates to racist behaviour in real life is a good thing, generally.


 No.125743

>>125740

You're moving the goalposts. You said it was cartoonish but that's how racists behave in real life outside your bubble


 No.125744

Yep, Immigrant's here to obsessively defend Series 11 again. What, if anything, have you actually disliked about these episodes? Are you capable of admitting anything negative about them?


 No.125745

Is Yaz Pakistani or Indian?

Did they just make her have heritage from both to tick more boxes?


 No.125746

>>125744

The song at the end of Ep 3 felt intrusive. Krasko kinda either needed a chance to talk about his motives, or should have explicitly been cut off mid-sentence. The asteroid should have gotten a cameo in the beginning (maybe while the TARDIS was flying) to prepare for it showing up in the finale, or maybe been replaced with a "Rosa city" in Year 3000.

Yaz needed more to do in Ep 2. Yaz needs a chance to chat with 13 and/or Graham solo, though Ep 3 supplied us with better Yaz scenes with around the same amount of time, so maybe Chibnall just needs to step his game up with Yaz.

Ryan's dyspraxia could be used more in the scripts, or at least mentioned. Might have been nice if in Ep 3, Ryan's hands were jerking around while he was using the temporal locator device, causing him to miss Krasko at first.

Ghost Momument should have had more time with the Remnants (the rags), or at least did a better job foreshadowing. And done more detailing on Epzo's decision to tie at the end. Make it clearer why he made the choice. Also, save the TARDIS reveal for later, rather than starting with it.

As an overall critique, I think Chibnall's not quite so good at plotting as he is with characters, but technically both Eps 1 and 2 were introductory eps, so I'll save real judgment for Ep 4.

>>125745

Pakistani, according to TARDIS wikia.


 No.125747

>>125745

India and Pakistan are right next to each other, you mayoid. Not only is it perfectly reasonable for someone to have both Indian and Pakistani heritage, we literally have an episode dealing with Yaz's ancestors and the Partition of India coming up this series.


 No.125748

>>125747

It may be even worse than Rosa


 No.125749

>>125748

It will be the first episode in the series that doesn't have chibnall with a writing credit, that alone puts it in a good position to be the best of the series


 No.125750

>>125748

But Rosa was good.


 No.125751

>>125750

Oh my god what is wrong with you?


 No.125752

>>125751

It wasn't a "bad" episode, and it's easily the best of S11


 No.125753

>>125751

See, had I said "Rosa was super shit" you wouldn't have replied to me like that, I think.


 No.125754

>>125752

It wasn't artistically bad in the way TWWFTE was, but the way it sidelines Rosa's struggle for the Doctor/Graham's white guilt is downright reprehensible.


 No.125755

>>125753

No, I wouldn't've, because it is super shit.


 No.125756

>>125752

Agreed. It's a solid piece of Who, which is a pretty cool feat considering the subject matter.

>>125754

Alternatively, it focuses on how the Doctor and Graham do nothing, and lets Rosa have agency, with the final interaction between Rosa and the TARDIS team happenning between 2 black people smiling at each other.


 No.125757

>>125756

>solid piece of Who

Just end it


 No.125758

>>125754

It doesn't sideline her struggle at all. The whole purpose of the pop song while rosa gets arrested is to make a dramatic moment out of her rising up.

The fact that they include the guilt of the other characters for doing nothing doesn't nullify the rest of what's happening.


 No.125759

>whitesplaining


 No.125761

>>125758

>The fact that they include the guilt of the other characters for doing nothing doesn't nullify the rest of what's happening.

It's such a perfect moment top, because "doing nothing" both characterizes Graham, while also letting Rosa play out her story without inteference. The fact that she assumedly never realizes what the TARDIS Team was really doing makes it work–sometimes doing the right thing means "not playing the hero" and "not trying to be a saviour", but just steeping aside.


 No.125762

>>125743

>outside your bubble

>tfw Le Evil Krasko kills around 2000 people, were given absolutely no reason why he hates blacks


 No.125763


 No.125764

>>125762

I mean, he says it. He thinks he should be allowed to be superior to black people. As a criminal in Stormcage, he probably feels pretty impoverished.


 No.125765

>>125761

I didn't like the episode so much but the actual moment itself shone through. I was wondering whether Graham was going to have to be the bus driver because Krasko kept fucking with the actual driver. I wonder if that would've been better or a bit too far.


 No.125766

File: 6cea28d779debe9⋯.jpg (69.05 KB, 548x536, 137:134, 12 flare.jpg)

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reaction dump


 No.125767

>>125765

It might have made the moment too much about Graham himself, per se. The way they did it made Graham implicit as a bystander, without taking too much focus away from Rosa.


 No.125768


 No.125769

Is “negro” considered offensive, or is it just an anachronism that tends to only be used by people who apply it in a racist context these days?


 No.125770

Is "mayoid" considered offensive?


 No.125771

>>125770

Nobody even uses "mayoid" irl. It's like calling someone a roastie or an NPC in public. People aren't gonna think it's offensive and will only think you're weird.


 No.125772

Anyone else naked right now?


 No.125773

>>125771

>mayoid is an insult people use unironically

Maybe Krasko wasn't so wrong after all


 No.125774

>>125257

Beyond all the heavy racism, the story's fucking boring. Episode 3 is nothing but Steven and Dodo trying to sit on chairs. On the surface, you think "Oh, a weird, Alice in Wonderland-style story where the Doctor's forced into a game of wits with a god-like being", but when you watch it, nothing stands out except for that one time a character says the N-word.


 No.125775

File: f0aaaa1fe686335⋯.jpg (282.95 KB, 1177x819, 1177:819, schedule03.jpg)

Is 40 min + 6~7 hours from now a good time for the Torchwood stream?


 No.125776

>>125310

An American trans woman with a PhD in Doctor Who.


 No.125777

>>125310

I can easily see her Rosa review as the moment where some of her followers will start turning on her, and see her as an out of touch white woman trying to speak on topics she doesn't fully know.


 No.125778

>>125777

>it's been weeks since that one anon asked Sandy where all of her non-white writers were

>they still haven't showed up


 No.125779

>>125777

I'm not sure. Her critique of Rosa will, from my guess, will be about how Rosa doesn't grapple with systemic causes of racism, and instead has a (credit to Cats for this part) almost "Rosa-is-an-indispensable-great-woman-of-history-who-helped-kill-racism-forever" theme that's far too ignorant of history, and is how centre-leftists pat themselves on the back.

I don't agree with the above analysis–I think the ep is more nuanced than that–but that sprt of radical-leftist critique really works with Eruditorium's crowd. I'm sure Jack will have a similar take.

Can anyone who has already read Sandifer's review confirm if I'm on the right track?


 No.125780


 No.125781

>>125777

There'll probably be a shitstorm once the review goes public, as there was over her response to DMW about Talons a couple months ago. It'll blow over just like that one did. She's too good and specific a critic to ditch over one questionable take. (Admittedly I haven't seen the Rosa review yet.)


 No.125782

>>125781

she's had 2 pretty shit takes so far


 No.125783

>>125782

Sandifer was already lukewarm about 13's era, though. There wasn't really that excitement to it.


 No.125784

>>125781

>It'll blow over just like that one did.

Not really. She blew up her friendship with Robert Shearman over it.


 No.125785

all i remember from the ghost monument

>both on ships

>they crash

>go into tent

>go to ruins

>call of duty

>cloth monster

>cigar

>go into last tent

>go into tardis

how the bloody hell did that fill up 50 minutes???


 No.125786

>>125785

If it weren't for the overseas filming, I would have thought TGM was the budget saving episode.


 No.125787

>>125785

You missed the "Epzo monologue". It wasn't really that busy of an ep, though.


 No.125788

>>125784

Oh yeah, fair point. There doesn't seem to have been any real impact on her Patreon or the size of her audience though.


 No.125789

Rosa - 6.39m


 No.125790

>>125784

>>125781

I actually have an inkling of a suspicion that Sandifer might fall out of love with Who over this, or become much more critical of the show in future reviews. I'm just getting that vibe.


 No.125791

>>125789

>The Cry (5.32 million)

i wish the cry had more episodes so it could take over who and vindicate the claraChads


 No.125792

>>125788

It will hurt in the long term though. Part of the appeal in the Eruditorum books was her getting to interview Doctor Who writers like Gareth and Shearman. With both of those bridges burnt, all she has are outliers like Orman and Harness.

>>125790

>fall out of love with Who over this

Now that would fuck her patreon. Most of the Eruditorum's non-Who articles get only a fraction of the comments and audience. Unless she genuinely thinks she can get by on Jack's rants about capitalism, she cannot afford to take off that Who leash.


 No.125793

>>125792

Losing Shearman is a big one. Hopefully she can mend that bridge in time.


 No.125794

>>125793

Sandifer's never seemed like someone keen on fixing bridges. She has an almost Loz-level ability to stir shit and not notice that could piss off some of her friends or acquaintances.


 No.125795

>>125792

Wasn't Neoreaction a Basilisk the best-selling political-philosophy book in the US for a little while? Not that that's necessarily saying a lot but.


 No.125796

Sandifer is the Digibro of the Doctor Who community.


 No.125797

>>125796

based and redpilled


 No.125798

>>125795

Really? Because I'm having a hard time believing Neoreaction sold better than The Prince or any old Thomas Paine book. And I checked Amazon. It currently sits at 303rd place in political philosophy books on Kindle.


 No.125799

I think part of what hurts the radical-leftist critique of Rosa is that, despite the truth in snarling at liberal back-patting about how "After President Obama, racism is finally defeated, unlike back in the 1950s!" , …black people really do get more opportunities than they had before? Like, I can go to a school alongside white people, and if a black person in the Southern US gets lynched, there's a good chance that many people, even in the South, will be horrified. Pointing out that systemic racism still exists on a sometimes masive scale does not negate the progress already made, even if people sometimes try to legislate it back, or find other ways to keep opportunities from minorities. And yes, people like Rosa on both sides of the pond fought for that.

>>125794

She seemed really hurt and confused about losing Shearman as a friend, though.


 No.125800

It was funny watching Sandy gets all antsy over Talonsgate and accuse her critics of acting like Ian Levine, when she spent that entire day calling for people to get fired over inane bullshit and burning bridges. Shit that Ian Levine did.


 No.125801

>>125799

I saw her tweet about losing Shearman, and it sounded more sarcastic than anything. Especially the "Sheer shock, man" part. If she genuinely felt hurt, she's not good at expressing it.


 No.125802

>>125801

Well, when people actually feel hurt, they aren't always coherent. Shearman was one of her favorite writers, I believe, so it was probably genuine at least in some part.


 No.125803

>>125802

And I think Shearman was hurt at Sandifer's words, especially her accusing all Talons fans of being racist when he was a Talons fan. Not to mention that he probably keeps in touch with Marcus Hearn and the rest of the DWM staff. Enough that hearing someone calling for their unemployment would probably piss him off.


 No.125804

Shearman is friends with Nick Briggs, Marcus Hearn, and quite a few other people Sandifer's attacked. His annoyance at her criticizing his friends was going to reach the breaking point some time or another.


 No.125805

>>125803

Oh, I'm not saying Sandifer was necessarily right, just that she was shocked that Shearman didn't agree with her, and probably didn't want it to end that way. I think you're probably right about Shearman's side as well.


 No.125806

>>125303

He's a bloody clone of Fu Manchu, sans the moustache and slanty eyes.

Unintentional my arse.


 No.125807

>>125798

https://twitter.com/ElSandifer/status/940041907597488128

Maybe it was just for that day/week, I'm not sure how Amazon's bestseller lists work. But yes, it seems to have been a real thing that happened.


 No.125808

>>125805

>she was shocked that Shearman didn't agree with her

It doesn't take a PhD to know that a generally friendly person who's mates with Tom Spilsbury and Marcus Hearn isn't going to take it kindly if you attack Tom Spilsbury or Marcus Hearn.


 No.125809

>>125303

Wasn't there a scene in Talons where one of the characters refers to Greel as a Celestial? That would point towards the racial terminology at least being known to the writers of Celestial Toymaker, even if it was already old-fashioned then.


 No.125810

>>125809

Been a while since I saw Talons but probably


 No.125811

I rate Rosa "I'd rather be watching Meglos than this shit" / 10


 No.125812


 No.125813

>>125809

Maybe, but The Celestial Toymaker writers weren't even involved with Who when Talons was made.


 No.125814

>>125812

>that last paragraph

But that was the point of the episode. That evils like racism will still exist in the far future, and the Doctor's actions can only take us slightly closer to a better place than immediately show us a utopia.


 No.125815

>>125814

Also, there's an implication, based on him being a Time Agent, that it's the lack of racism that makes Krasko want to go back and make racism last longer.

>They just as easily and justifiably could have hurled racist abuse at him in The Woman Who Fell to Earth. They’ll be perfectly able to next week. The fact that this is unthinkable (regardless of whether it’s a good idea) tells us a lot about how limited a confrontation with the brutal materialism of racism this is.

Ryan literally says he gets pulled over more than his white mates, and Yaz straight up says she's called a Paki and a terrorist!


 No.125816

>>125814

if doctor who can do nothing for civil rights but advocate for petty incrementalism, it should just keep quiet. this is a fantasy show, it's perfectly capable of building utopias from the fucking nightmare that is the present


 No.125817

>>125816

I kinda feel that creating a utopia sort of engenders a complacency? Whereas incremtalism points out "No, these problems are deep. We need to always be working at it. Even though things are getting better, there may always be people like Krasko. But that's okay, because there will always be people like Rosa Parks too."


 No.125818

However, I do appreciate Sandifer pointing out it's just her personal take, and being happy for people who got something from it.


 No.125819

>>125816

Genuinely based opinion


 No.125820

rosa is a story that embodies chibnall's "pillar of hope" perspective, because hope is just waiting for someone else to do something. hope is the idea that there are a hundred more rosas to come, each performing a little civil disobedience, nudging the overton window a little further, and maybe, maybe, in 100 years, if we have hope, there will be a better society. but doctor who in 2018 shouldn't be about hope, it should be about action. why focus on civil rights achievements of the past when it could show how to advance them in the present day, or into the future?


 No.125821

>>125816

>if doctor who can do nothing for civil rights but advocate for petty incrementalism, it should just keep quiet.

Cringe and bluepilled. Bad shows give us utopias. Good ones show us how to build utopias.


 No.125822

>>125820

>focus on civil rights achievements of the past when it could show how to advance them in the present day, or into the future?

Well, that's how you do it. You take action, and you're inspired. Rosa sure wasn't just hoping in this ep–she was taking action on that bus.


 No.125823

>>125821

utopias are not built through incrementalism.


 No.125824

>>125822

but the episode was structured around the doctor and friends and their hope in Rosa, rather than Rosa herself. the only thing we hear about Rosa inspiring others to take action is that yaz becomes a police officer because of her. A POLICE OFFICER. that more than anything else in the episode makes my blood boil.


 No.125825

>>125820

Based and despairpilled


 No.125826

>>125789

>back to capaldi figures after 3 episodes

oh no no no no no no


 No.125827

>>125826

You're thinking of Capaldi figures after an entire week. This is just the overnight


 No.125828

>>125826

>>125827

Ratingsfags BTFO yet again

The episode was pretty silly tho.


 No.125829

>>125796

I fucking hate digibro

i knew of him when he first started off making my little pony reviews, and I have no fucking idea how he managed to recover an audience after his “edgy OC who has a smoking fetish” phase completely destroyed him in that fandom


 No.125830

>>125827

Consolidated usually only adds a million or so doesn’t it?


 No.125831

>>125830

>he doesn't know how ratings work


 No.125832

>>125829

Not only that, but he's got a wife and lives in Boston these days. Don't know how he got that far.


 No.125833

I actually thought the episode was okay?


 No.125834

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

It could have been worse. It could have been an episode where 13 and her friends become close friends with MLK and want to stop his assassination, but find out his death is a fixed point in time so they can only stand there and watch as he dies.


 No.125835

>>125833

I'm so sorry, m8, but you are WRONG


 No.125836

>>125816

>>125820

>>125823

>>125824

Based as always, Cats.


 No.125837

>>125834

>episode where Krasko stops Emmett Till from dying so he can't become a martyr and 13 needs to kill Emmett to keep the timeline in check


 No.125838

>>125829

>>125832

from what i hear, he's also a self confessed lolicon and almost guarenteed to be a fully fledged pedo.

anime youtuber get's into lolis, becomes a pedophile, many such cases!


 No.125839

>>125838

>many such cases!

Are there? Because that Gigguk guy is pretty normal and has a cute GF. So is Mother's Basement.


 No.125840

>>125834

That would have actually been better. At least there'd have been no C O S M I C R A C I S T


 No.125841

>all this "we should show Rosa in schools" talk on Twitter

If you were a teacher and against better logic, wanted to use Doctor Who episodes/books/audios in your syllabus, which ones would you use?


 No.125842

>>125841

Well, if we may dip into full fantasy world for a second and forget the fact that most if not all of the students in the entire school won't have a clue what's going on, Deadline would be an interesting story to analyse.


 No.125843

>>125841

If it was a film class, maybe Heaven Sent. And I'll use Lym's telesnap version too to show the kids how much film matters as a visual medium and the difference between watching a movie and only hearing it with brief snippets of photos.

If it was just a regular ass English class, Campaign to hurt their brains.


 No.125844

>>125842

That's the Unbound Deadline


 No.125845

>it was a fine episode and the best of the series

>but I hate it because trump is doing something that is abstractly related to it and the episode didn't inspire me to fight against him


 No.125846

>>125841

Kill the Moon


 No.125847

>>125845

I hate Trump as much as she does, but Sandifer's got a mad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.


 No.125848

>>125847

I haven't looked into this recent drama in detail, what has trump actually proposed regarding trans issues?


 No.125849

>why even tell Rosa's story if there's still racism today?


 No.125850

Rosa took a reformist stance rather than a revolutionist one, so obviously the hard revolutionists are upset. Doesn't make them correct.


 No.125851

>>125839

i was just memeing, i like gigguk and i've followed his girlfriend for a while too.


 No.125852

>>125845

"A feeble rehashing of the safest civil rights narrative ever is not an adequate response to the current world" is an entirely valid line of criticism.


 No.125853

>>125848

i would also like to know


 No.125854

File: 929a6ef7401956a⋯.png (836.35 KB, 1168x1126, 584:563, 1539596484386.png)


 No.125855

>>125852

What duty does it have to be a response to the current workd?


 No.125856

okay from what i've seen, some are saying they're changing the definition of "gender" and some are saying :"sex", which is it?


 No.125857

>In the episode’s most fascinating sequence, the Doctor and company are forced to engage in active complicity with racist discrimination in order to accomplish their goals. Rosa’s arrest is portrayed as something awful and unpleasant to witness, not as an act of glorious heroism. That’s smart, and puts this several cuts above most of its genre.

Will neo change his mind now?


 No.125858

>>125854

shut the fuck up skelly. all you can talk about is how you are free from bias and dogma unlike the unwashed 'politically polarised' masses.


 No.125859


 No.125860

>>125856

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inclusion/title-ix-frequently-asked-questions

The text of the law itself uses the word "sex", but in answering questions on this FAQ page it refers to "gender".


 No.125861

It's childish on Sandifer's part to demand Doctor Who portray a world where racism is a thing of the past.


 No.125862

skelly is a politically effete weakling who won't even decry the most blatant attempts at dehumanising trans people by the trump administration, because maintaining neutrality and avoiding conflict - however righteous - is all he's good for.


 No.125863

>>125862

Picking a side means standing for something, and Skelly can't even stand to take a piss.


 No.125864

of course, "neutrality" when one side wants to erase trans people from existence is not neutrality at all


 No.125865

>>125861

Wasn't she demanding that doctor who portrayed a world where racism was a thing of the present, as opposed to relying on the past as a "safe" place to portray racism?


 No.125866

>>125865

>doctor who portrayed a world where racism was a thing of the present,

But it did portray racism as a thing of the present. Ryan complained about getting called over by cops. Yaz said she's been called a paki and a terrorist several times.


 No.125867

>>125866

Apparently doesn't count because it was telling instead of showing


 No.125868

I just think it's not okay to treat people who liked it as NPCs and monsters who will lead the world into totalitarian dystopia.


 No.125869

>>125868

Strawman. You're making this about your own defensiveness instead of trying to understand why the episode might make people feel disappointed and angry.


 No.125870

>watch Rosa

>wake up next morning with bad migraine, have to take day off work

There is no doubt in my mind that those two things are connected.


 No.125871

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1054343954190266368

>asking jodie if she prefers curly or straight and she says curly

Yasteen is here to stay


 No.125872

I am literally looking up the work literally to see why everyone is using the work literally.


 No.125873

File: 890b56edd54d2d4⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 175.41 KB, 904x795, 904:795, 4b013c3ec86b65bac14dd93c21….png)


 No.125874

>>125872

Then I am going to check the difference between work and word


 No.125875

>Tim Shaw teleports away before we see him die

>Ilin, Epzo and Angstrom teleport away at the end of the race before we see the end

>Cosmic Racist is teleported into the past

Is this a trend that's going to continue with the spiders?


 No.125876

>>125873

>Primord

Wow… everyone's favourite part of Inferno…


 No.125877


 No.125878

>>125873

Jon Culshaw (Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart)

Daisy Ashford (Liz Shaw) (her daughter)


 No.125879

File: 06670b9e047e98a⋯.jpg (63.31 KB, 1079x659, 1079:659, DnujEFGWsAEn7Jl.jpg)

>>125878

>Tim Shaw

>>125878

>Jon Culshaw

I wonder


 No.125880

What would make someone from the 79th century turn into a racist? That era would be far more diverse than we could possibly imagine, with so many alien species around that surely something like the skin color variance between humans would be meaningless.

Why couldn’t they have explained his motivations? All they did was establish he was racist and a murderer. Did he commit black genocide, or is he just a racist who also happened to kill a lot of people?


 No.125881

>>125880

when did he explictly say he was a racist

the stream skipped some beats


 No.125882

File: 106c00069a8446d⋯.jpg (42.97 KB, 640x503, 640:503, 1540209280878.jpg)


 No.125883

are we back?


 No.125884

>>125881

He tells Ryan "your kind should have stayed in your place" or words to that effect


 No.125885

>>125883

I can't post images for some reason but other people don't have that issue


 No.125886

File: 06fdfce4dd45298⋯.png (283.41 KB, 500x608, 125:152, 06fdfce4dd4529862e7e8695f0….png)

How would the Capaldi era have handled a Rosa Parks episode, if it was written by Peter Harness in S10?


 No.125887

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


 No.125888

>>125886

The Doctor would've made a big speech about racism and then would forgive Krasko.


 No.125889

>>125886

s10 had Bill, so it would be easier to Handle


 No.125890

>>125888

we are talking about s10

Doc would punch Krasko


 No.125891

File: af39ac453f65271⋯.png (105.38 KB, 979x237, 979:237, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.125892

Michael Rosen episode when?


 No.125893

>>125891

I am yelling Timber


 No.125894

>>125873

Dorney, quit doing trad stories. You're so much better when you're weird. Solitaire was fucking GOAT, and I loved how non-linear Fairytale of Salzburg was.


 No.125895

>>125891

The Ghost Monument got 8.67m final ratings


 No.125896

>>125880

I wondered that too - perhaps he's the part of some cult or organisation which desperately clings to the past. I don't like it being left so vague, but I guess you can imagine that.

Fun contuinity bit to speculate about fucking nightmare of a future - Krasko's weapon set to 79th century, we can assume he literally is from 79th centure, I looked it up –

>The Third Great and Bountiful Human Empire flourished in the 78th and 79th centuries. The Eleventh Doctor characterised it as "neither great, nor bountiful, nor overwhelmingly human".

It's random as fuck to draw a connection there, but still a small justification – maybe third empire was shit and racist organisations had a renaissance there.


 No.125897

>>125891

Can someone contrast this with, say, S5, or S2, in terms of how many viewers were lost between the premiere and episode 3? I can't tell if this is normal or not.


 No.125898

>>125886

With a lot more elegance.


 No.125899

File: 0e72ee01e33564c⋯.png (60.17 KB, 991x79, 991:79, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.125900

File: f0c8be34a0a694b⋯.png (59.75 KB, 1044x70, 522:35, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 4f20999eb32f95a⋯.png (59.6 KB, 1008x76, 252:19, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.125901

>>125891

>using final figure for ep 1 but overnights for the next two

Naughty.


 No.125902

>>125901

im just stealing these from the 4ch thread


 No.125903

>>125896

It could get a more tragic but not accidental dark.

Maybe if some aspect of black DNA was the reason some disease killed many people in the feature.

Because if they made a powerful planet that only had black people it would be racist as well


 No.125904

>>125902

>citing a 4ch thread

You fucked up.


 No.125905

>>125899

hahahahahah


 No.125906

>>125898

>peter harness

>elegance

all of his episodes have political analogies that he didn't even intend


 No.125908

>>125896

They really should have elaborated on that. A 79th Century man with 20th Century values sounds bizarre. It's almost like if a guy now yearned for the Mesopotamian days and wanted to change society to fit that vision.


 No.125909

The overnight may have been shit, but with the amount of praise it's getting, it'll see a huge surge of iPlayer views. I'm betting the final rating will be 9-ish million.


 No.125910

The new thread is here when you're ready

>>125907

>>125907

>>125907

>>125907


 No.125912

Isn't verging about ratings dumb? We all know the only way the show will die is if the show's ratings even with iPlayer goes below 2 million anyway.


 No.125953

Didn't watch Rosa yet. Semi disappointed on the lack of the Doctor's thought process. You used to see more of the thinking and interplay getting the Doctor to an idea. Now it seems that the Doctor just starts doing shit and explains it to the companions later. A little early to judge and hope it gets better.


 No.126142

>>125899

>>125891

>>125900

Look at the charts for a relative perspective.

Jodie/Chibnall: 1, 3, 5

Capaldi/Moffat: 2, 9, 10

Matt/Moffat: 3, 10, 11

Tennant/RTD: 9, 10, 12

Based Chibby has evelated Who from a top 10 show to a top 5 show.


 No.126482

>>125197

damn, I actually liked the episode and really didnt expect that

>>125215

but this feels like Chib forcing drama and not realising that it wasnt needed. I took it for granted they were all gonna stay so it was really odd that it became a climactic moment


 No.126486

>>126482

We're in the new thread: >>125907

This one was just late being unstickied


 No.126668

File: 69b5dcd1dcf560e⋯.jpg (182.57 KB, 1200x900, 4:3, 75.jpg)

>Yes, I am a fan of Doctor Who (((2018)))


 No.129138

>>25953

They're catering to the millenials who believe they are einsteins


 No.130038

>>129138

M8 we all left this thread days ago what are you doing here?


 No.130040

>>129138

>>130038

Also the post you replied to is from MONTHS ago


 No.130101

>>125228

While also making sure they're the centre of attention.


 No.132687

>>130101

Dead thread




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