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"/who/ Cares?" podcast on Series 11: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz80wZ00_JjSaS2ZRrno1Pg

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the official JUDY thread

Pete's sake:



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>politics in Who is good but when it's not my politics it's unacceptable so it shouldn't happen

This, but unironically


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>When someone asks me if I want to watch Kerblam!



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WTF is this?


is it just me or are we missing a trailer for next week? isn't there usually a next time and a slightly longer one?


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looks pretty based desu


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They might upload one later.



i remember 5th dr looking differently


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>Capaldi fucking turned around


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Kerblam! is the best episode since World Enough and Time and the best standalone episode since Flatline and all anyone can talk about is how verged they are. The story is great, the visuals are fantastic, Thirteen and the gang are actually bearable and don't talk a mile a minute, the guest cast is used sparingly, it's just brilliant. The same people who shit on boardies for only discussing identity politics and not the actual stories are seething over this fantastic episode, which isn't even about capitalism. But Rosa and Demons of the Punjab which dedicate their whole runtime to historical grievances are okay because I dunno, pillar of hope or something.

If people shit on Kerblam! and McTighe thinks he's done a bad job i'm gonna flip. McTighe for showrunner.


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>the best standalone episode since Flatline

hehe, I don't think so tim



fuck off tradboi



Holy shit this slipped through a reality that's a thousand times more based than ours


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>Kerblam! is the best episode since World Enough and Time and the best standalone episode since Flatline and all anyone can talk about is how verged they are. The story is great, the visuals are fantastic, Thirteen and the gang are actually bearable and don't talk a mile a minute, the guest cast is used sparingly, it's just brilliant. The same people who shit on boardies for only discussing identity politics and not the actual stories are seething over this fantastic episode, which isn't even about capitalism. But Rosa and Demons of the Punjab which dedicate their whole runtime to historical grievances are okay because I dunno, pillar of hope or something.

>If people shit on Kerblam! and McTighe thinks he's done a bad job i'm gonna flip. McTighe for showrunner.

Bad post



The whole fucking episode is a ringing endorsement of toxic capitalistic systems and major corporations. It fucking fellates them. That is properly disgusting and if you can't see that you are literally a fucking /pol/poster.


this episode put me on the verge of tears



It's the first episode I've felt all series where all of the main cast's acting is great, especially Tosin and Bradley.



>That fucking yawn

Christ Tosin is literally sleepwalking through his performance










Tosin still feels forced to me

specially the scene he mocks Bradders for the "young" joke



he is 11th


How happy is Nilso right now, literally on the verge of pissing himself with laughter at the leftie meltdown


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This but unironically


capitalism bad or no? need clarifying



Can we really call objectively incorrect and factually/morally wrong belief systems ""politics""?



it's literally a good episode but the last 10 minutes ruin it, i dont fucking care what politics are in the show as long as the messaging is consistent.


Death Count

ep - deaths

1 - 3

2 - 0

3 - 0

4 - 2

5 - 2

6 - 2

7 - 3



me too


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Does anybody happen to have a pdf of Doctor Who Magazine 196? Thanks :)



>Matt Smith replaced by Prince Phillip

had to be intentional


for reference, standalone episodes since Flatline that are better than Kerblam!:

>Last Christmas

>The Girl Who Died

>Heaven Sent and Hell Bent (yeah, I'm thinking they're not a two-parter)

>The Husbands of River Song

>The Return of Doctor Mysterio

>The Pilot

>Thin Ice


You may notice one feature of all these episodes is that they don't devolve into an incoherent mess of moral arguing in the last ten minutes and then end in a manner that is completely retarded.


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needs updating considering the 55th anniversary is days away



it was perfectly balanced in the episode, that is why it is awesome



bit robophobic of you not including all the kerblam men



1 had 5 - warehouse guy, salad man, security guard, Grace, Tim Shaw


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jamie mathieSOON



What is this



tim shaw didnt die



Damn he even shit on the left with his "robophobia" joke too, how based can one Pete be



right, Tim Shaw may have survived



55 is more than 50





The power of good writing I think, and of reducing the presence of guest characters that tread on the main casts screentime in most of Series 11.


>i dont fucking care what politics are in the show as long as the messaging is consistent.

Except you are verged over nothing while Rosa and Demons get a free pass.


The Pilot, Thin Ice and Return of Doctor Mysterio are all utter shite.


>and all anyone can talk about is how verged they are.

so how verged from 0 to 10 are you guys?


You are now manually remembering that Chibnall met with Mathieson and then chose to hire a shit version of Mathieson instead



I didn't like rosa, demons messaging was perfectly consistent (and frankly, barely political)



fuck offerino please




she said that at the begining

later we found they did not have individual personalities and their brains were in the cloud

they just turn off when the energy turned off the wi-fi



cry more



Wouldn't be the first n*nce to be in the show


I'm surprised they even added several references to the dyspraxia. Tosin did well for this story but overall he's been incredibly medicore.


Trigger the libs, own the libs


>Heaven Sent and Hell Bent aren't a two parter

Horrifically awful post, feel bad about it


>power of good writing

Undoubtebly this


more verged that Lee Mack died offscreen and before more fleshing out but other than that probably a 1 or 2


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Oh shit I forgot Demons of the Punjab, ahaahahaha

>mfw there are people that actually thought kerblam was better





0/10. Episode was fun but nothing noteworthy. Still better than every other episode in Series 11 other than Demons of the Punjab. Next two weeks look interesting.



Fucking b a s e d



you forgot an episode




>>Trigger the libs, own the libs




I'd probably switch Tsuranga and Monument but that seems about right.



holy shit i did lmfao, spiders is better than monument


that kek shouldnt be quoted


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Someone is really happy this week.







>Ghost Monument



I expected it to be a cybermen story



>I'm surprised they even added several references to the dyspraxia.

Yup, loved this, felt organic too. That whole CGI conveyor sequence was pure fun and reminded me of the car jumping in Gridlock.




>It's a people pretend Demons is better than Kerblam! because they're verged episode



>major side character called Judy

>episode has strong right wing message and shits on commies

Literally a love letter to our resident Judes, McTighe is a /who/re


The only episodes I ever plan on rewatching so far from this series are Ghost Monument, Arachnids in the UK, Demons in the Punjab and Kerblam!



we got more Yaz development this week than last


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I don't care for demons


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Mediocre Tier

The Tsuranga Conundrum

Arachnids in the U.K

Bad Tier

Ghost Monument


Demons of the Punjab





That… doesn’t explain it. At all. That’s just another random picture of a cheese platter.


>het whitey romance



i liked ryan in this episode



I'm just really glad that the entire TARDIS Team has had something important to do this story. I don't count Tsuranga as them all doing something since all Graham and Ryan did was sit next to Yoss. So many times during runs with 3 companions one of them is left in the lurch with nothing to do like best girl so it's good to see them all up to their own little plotlines. Yaz and Ryan felt a lot more like actual people for once and Graham really shined in his talks with Charlie coming off as infuriatingly charming and friendly.


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>Moffat Who: Black woman invents heaven

>Chibnall Who: Racism and capitalism are still things in the future

>Yet people think Chibnall is more progressive than Moffat



but he is still the weakest


Cats and Nilso better be on the pod for this episode.



But it literally was better, Kerblam falls apart at the end like so many other NuWho episodes.



For the first (or second) time in this whole series he seemed like an actual person and it's really overdue since we're on episode fucking SEVEN out of eleven.


Unfortunately so


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>yaz exists


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she did the necklace part

ryan would have forgoten about it



Not sure how that’s relevant to anything, but I want a cheese platter now.



Based. This.



>Doctor Who channel upload the indian who theme from the end of Demons

>they literally cut it off partway through

>at the exact point the next time teaser came in

>the official Doctor Who channel does not have meaningful access to a clean version of a piece of music from the show but attempt to upload it anyway




Verged commie go back to Venezuela.


Kerblam!>Demons of the Punjab>The Woman Who Fell To Earth>Rosa>Arachnids in the UK>The Tsuranga Conundrum>The Ghost Monument

Just accept it, guys!



>woman that high




Based although they did deconstruct it slightly with him being the villain. The computer flat-out murdering her to get back at him is bleakly funny.



swap woman and rosa



>Kerblaam! that high




Just goes to show how bad series 11 is.


>Loz identifies with the edgy white boy who wants to murder innocent customers out of a deluded belief that it will change the system



Glad you are showing your true colours….


Yup, Graham was great, he really felt like a cheeky chappie in his dialogue. It was a good choice to divide up the companions rather than have everyone as one big team as opposed to Arachnids where you have seven people running around all speaking in turn. Only other episode where I felt they did the team dynamic well was Rosa.


It doesn't "fall apart" you just didn't like that the terrorist serial killer died.


I liked when it turned into Toy Story 2


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I appreciate that they didn't just make the Kerblam Men have normal human-like hands. The fact that the actual hand bits are dark and obscured by the skin colored metal plating makes them reminiscent of insects with thick chitinous armor. If I have to say something negative about them I'm slightly disappointed that we didn't see the inside of their heads or that they didn't have a horrific thing underneath a faceplate.


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Great convesation guys.



Are you telling me you actually enjoyed that whole automation debate scene


When are they going to release the Lee Mack poster? I wouldn't mind having that in my room



The Slitheen are a great monster which are absolutely fucked by the silliest Achilles heel a Doctor Who monster has ever had IMO



Yeah, because I’m not a lefty cuck like you.


Doctor Who and The Bubblewrap of Death







Yeah the claws were a nice touch and makes them a lot more memorable.


It was fine. It wasn't some amazing quotable speech but there was nothing wrong with it.



Holly Willoughby is an incredibly attractive woman but I prefer Rachel Riley from Countdown.



I will remove Loz from my list when I become a shorwrunner

t. Pete



They could very easily have just made them have normal human hands but the fact that they went just a little bit further and separate them even further from humans is great. They almost remind me of the Tomb-variant Cybermen or the Sontarans.


Anon who wanted the .png's of the Earthshock/Silver Nemesis Cybermen - do you still want some more or were you happy with the two that I'd done for you? If you wanted more I can sort that out for you



Honestly The Slitheen would have been far better without the fart thing

They're pretty good in SJA


Nah the ones you made were great Nilso, thanks


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Fuck Pete.



Pretending to like a shit episode to own the libs



I think it really worked in the scene where Charlie is pushed up against the wall by the giant claw, much more threatening than a humanoid hand.


>They're pretty good in SJA

The Gift was fantastic and honestly could've been done in Doctor Who or Torchwood.



There isn't anything political about the episode beyond what verged commies have read into it. I loved it beginning to end.


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>watching a 15 GB blu-ray REMUX of Twice Upon a Time

>mfw watching kino in the highest definition



Pretending to like a shit episode to own the libs


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This would be so hilariously kino



I was 0% verged and really liked Kerblam!

Demons is still better.




The Gift is honestly great yeah, I'd honestly like to see a episode/book/comic about The Doctor getting involved in interfamily politics on Raxacoricofallapatorius


>I love a conspiracy

>I hate conspiracies

Which one is it Doctor?


kira says completely straight that working gives people (like us) purpose, this is not challenged by the episode or the doctor, what the fuck did pete mean by this?



To each his own I guess. I really don't like the biopic style episodes because they feel indulgent and selfish.


There was some debatably canon material that describes Raxacoricofallapatorius as a peaceful enlightened planet that loves poetry, philosophy and science and is also a place of outstanding natrual beauty, sounds ripe for a really good story.


about to watch kerblam



have fun



Kandoka has more or less replaced all humans with robots. So yeah, Kira is grateful to have a job.


You're in for a treat.


god Mark Gatiss was so fucking good in Twice Upon a Time



you're right, kira had a truly fulfilling existence



These police boxes, they're ever so good.




it is a star trek problem

what to do when, robots and replicators can do / have anything








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If you're a Mathieson fan and you like McTighe you're not a Mathieson fan.



fuck Mathieson

fuck Oxygen



Why are you struggling to distinguish between what a character is saying and what the writer is trying to show? Just because a character says something doesn't mean the writer is endorsing it.


I like Mathieson and McTighe. Oxygen is weak compared to Mummy and Flatline though



fuck you boardie



Big mistake boardie






this ep was a diss to Mummy by stealing is bubblewrap joke



done better


Mathieson in suicide watch



because the episode never shows any evidence for the contrary idiot, in Petes perfect world everyone who was slaving away at their job, only getting to see their family 2 times a year, will continue to live that miserable existence, only this time with people instead of robots around them.



Oxygen - 9/10

Kerblam! - 7/10



but their jobs only exists because of the unions

the robots could do it all

they cannot complain for something they asked for

fucking based



>That high a score for Kerblaam!





Oxygen - 8/10

Kerblam! - 8.5/10


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She only wanted a gift.



I wanna kiss Nilso



>their job only exists because of unions

O shit forgot about that. That element just makes the already shit political message even more confused.


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the humans were obsolote, their jobs were more like charity

the system had more ethics than Charlie



consensually yeah?



It's no worse than how actual Amazon treats it's workers. The only thing making it shittier than normal work was the robots. Also Judy clearly cares about the welfare of the workers and is friendly with people at the lowest levels like Charlie.



also this



>Judy weighs in and takes McTighe's side



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Toby Whithouse was also pretty good



All she ever wanted to do was live a quiet life



McTighe didn't name a character Judy for nothing




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/who/ cares: Epzode 7: feat. Neo, TheOncomingStrom, Nilso, and Cats


there is no mathieson-pete war because this episode only seems redeemable in contrast to chibnall, if this episode had been in series 10 it would literally be considered smile tier but with worse characters.


can someone link the last episode of /who/ cares





>better than kerblam




I fucking wish.


McTighe and Mathieson bros should join forces with Vinay/RTD/Moffchads in the war against the Chibcucks




That's wrong though. Kerblam! is easily as good as the best of Series 8/9. Just admit you are verged because of the ending.


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>an episode as trad as this remotely close to the best of Capaldi



Nilso will never be on the podcast. Shame, cause this is literally the perfect episode for him to be on.



It's up there with Time Heist, Flatline, Listen, Mummy on the Orient Express etc.



a bad ending does lower my view of an episode, yeah.




Time Heist maybe. Not even close to the rest.


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back to boardiechan m8




Yeah, i'm thinking you're verged.




t. verged boardie


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>not thinking an episode was on par with some of the best of the show




Back to Judychan m8


We can all agree Witchfinders looks kino, ye?


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It would be more productive if they just paid the humans to do nothing and just not get make things worse, lol



ikr, just make things worse like get lol



Bit disappointed by how meh the Bog Spirits seem to look but it looks like fun. I'm really looking forward to It Takes You Away.



After tonight's episode I am very hopeful The Witch Finders and It Takes You Away are gonna be great. It proved the problems lie with Chibnall and that the awfulness isn't inherent to Series 11.


I wish the series just ended today

and have a off screen regeneration

like 6 to 7


It was good but not as good as last week



last week was more towards emotion and direction

today's win at original plot by miles



>I wish the series just ended today

Why? We're finally into the good part.


Demons of the Punjab wasn't Doctor Who, Kerblam! was Doctor Who.



It dragged a bit in the middle, I was more consistently engaged last week. Still a solid episode and completely blows the fuck out of anything chibnall wrote



What makes something Doctor Who?


based pete btfoing revolutionist ideology


>oi you that’s robophobic, some of my best friends are robots

Doesn't “some of my best friends” get derided as a way for someone to deflect the fact they can still hold x-phobic/microaggressive views? And wasn't that played for a gag last series? Why did pete use that line in a positive context?



can I have a screenshot of the scene where 12 is sitting with the snow coming by at the end


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I'm honestly just happy that I enjoyed an episode from this series for once instead of hating it and wishing to never see it again. I'm just happy that I'm beginning to enjoy the show again.


It says something that the best stories of this series have been non-Chib stories. Apart from Arachnids, I think it's great even though it's The Green Death pt2


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It trivialises the cases of Robophobia in The Robots of Death and the breaking of the weakest Law of Robotics




it doesn't capture my attention the same way the premises of demons and kerblam did


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yfw pete actually remembered yas was a police officer, and she used her skills in a confrontation with the bad guy, for the first time in the series, in episode 7


Is it just me or did Tosin actually seem like he was having fun in this story?


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Ryan even mentioned his condition again, it didn't end up affecting how he functioned in any scene beyond some hesitance but it'll do


No matter what you think of Kerblam, I think we can all admit it did the best job dividing screen time between all four leads this whole series.



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Are you prepared for liz's verged take on the episode being against violent revolution?





What was actually corrupt about how kerblam operated? It's the future, of course robots would be better suited for monotonous jobs?


Yas asking the doctor to return the necklace to that guy's kid was the token "big emotions at the end" moment of the episode, that's now 7 for 7


Typical chibnall, making the villain once again another fucking white male




>entertaining science-fiction story featuring the titular Time Lord and his/her companions

Doctor Who

>historical biopic written solely for a writer to vent their personal grievances with minimal science-fiction tossed in to justify it being in Doctor Who

Not Doctor Who


Loved it. Also Ryan working in a warehouse gets used throughout the episode.


Yep, I liked Arachnids too, not as much as Kerblam! but it's an alright episode. If you removed Jade and Yaz's mum it would be better. The CGI is great. I also thought Tsuranga for all it's flaws was better than it got credit for, just fucking love Pting


Yup, and it used it's guest cast well. It had a similar number of side characters as Tsuranga Conundrum but it doesn't give them a ton of screen time so it doesn't feel crowded.


I didn't think it was necessary but I didn't hate it either. It didn't feel jarring like some of the other emotional climaxes.



Honestly, this is the smartest decision he's made in years to clam up.



I bet you hate The Massacre.


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Who was the director on this? They did good. The set design was all really nice as well, arwel actually does well when he's not designing a tardis



Jennifer Perrot, same director as Tsuranga.



Amazing the difference it makes when a script inspires someone



/who/ complains that Jodie doesn't do anything and is just a bystander in the story and now they're complaining that people wanted her to do more and take a stance against the machine



>opposing the murder of hundreds of innocents is wrong

<a company simply existing and offering people jobs is "gross" and "corrupt"

I fucking loate antifa retards



The machine wasn't doing anything wrong.



I haven't actually watched the last three episodes yet but from what I've seen most people were happy with the episode portraying the company as bad until the last few minutes


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cletus not welcome

fuck off back to /tv/



The assumption in the episode is that the company was up to something, but it was narrative misdirection - the villain was a pro-human-workers activist plotting a terrorist attack to make automation look bad


>it's capitalism's fault that robots do monotonous tasks better!



They are all mad as fuck because they think the episode is pro-capitalist. The real message is that automation is amoral and only human intervention can make it good or bad. It's just incredibly funny how readily the "politics belongs in Doctor Who" crowd change their opinion when it's something they don't agree with.



I haven't seen anyone say the episode is bad because it has politics in it. They're criticising the politics specific to the episode. You're confusing their stance with the people that just want doctor who to be doctor meets alien without any relation to the modern day



People say the episode is bad because it has [politics I disagree with] in it, not just politics in general.



You have literally no proof of this.



Several tweets of people with that exact opinion have been posted in this thread



So? That doesn't have anything to do with not wanting any politics in doctor who. If you say the music is bad in one episode it doesn't mean you think music shouldn't be in doctor who.



It's just saddos that have created an autistic headcanon where somehow The Doctor is some antifa revolutionary. It's completely in character for the Doctor to side against murderous terrorists.



What point do you think you're making?

>People are mad because the episode had a political message they disagree with, and these are the people who usually support political messages in the show when they agree with it.

>yes but that doesn't mean they are upset by the fact it has politics in it!

>That's what I said, they're upset because of the specific political message.

>that doesn't have anything to do with not wanting any politics!

You're having a completely different discussion with yourself.



The doctor has literally always supported the working class bootlicker



The working class. Bootlicker*


Segun's score for this episode had a serious ratchet and clank vibe


My pretence for liking this episode was assuming it's be full of late capitalistic humorous whereas the jokes were just "lol dae buy things online?1?1?"



>It's just incredibly funny how readily the "politics belongs in Doctor Who" crowd change their opinion when it's something they don't agree with.

They haven't changed their opinion on politics in Doctor Who because they dislike one episode



>But another problem with the Thijarians is that they are constructed partly along lines of Orientalist tropes. Their costumes are inflected with Orientalist ideas of ‘the East’, as is their preoccupation with matters of sacredness and desecration.

How do you look at the Thijarians and think "Yellow Peril"?


You can like things with wildly different politics to your own if the thing is actually good without needing to agree with the politics to think it's good



no! things I disagree with are bad! middle ground doesn't exist, polar beliefs only!



my point here is that the ending of kerblam is only good if you completely agree with the politics, otherwise to any normal person it's a complete mess of an ending


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Sandifer doesn't half chat some shit sometimes. All I was thinking about when looking at the Thijarians was images related



They've been on smug little tirades for weeks about why we should accept Rosa/Demons and you are bad for thinking it's too political. Suddenly an episode comes out they think has the wrong politics and they start freaking out.


How does blowing up the working class help the working class? Nice to see that marxist retard brain chugging away at 110%


Users here are genuinely baffled that right wingers/centrists watch Doctor Who despite it's general lean to the left. No surprise then that they completely dismissed Kerblam! because they are used to being 100% catered to and not having to deal with things like this.


The weirdest part is that the "happy ending" was that kerblam would agree to hire more humans, after they already established that the work there was monotonous and perfect for robots.

Just because they didn't want to tackle the issue of what should change about human society once automation takes over. Is giving humans jobs at the expense of productivity and efficiency the better option? How would society have to change if people do not have the option to earn money? Can people be fulfilled without the sense of responsibility and purpose that a job gives? They presented the conflict of the situation with the concept of "human quotas" and the people protests, but they didn't offer a take on the consequences of automation outside of passive acceptance that automation is a thing and it upsets people.



I thought Kamen Rider monsters, personally. Don't know what mindset you'd have to go through to look at the Thijarians and see Orientalism.



Is liz suggesting that people should not be allowed to use design influences from the history and culture of the setting for a story, or else it's using """tropes""" and that's automatically stereotyping and racist?



Are you new here by any chance?


Pete Mctighe is the most right wing writer since gareth



>I like this X that Y once used, I'll pay homage to it in my story because I think that it looks great from a visual standpoint and helps accentuate the alien features of Z

not only racist but sexist, bigoted and probably ableist



Shut up you fucking commie.



Only been here a few months, other than the political stuff I very much enjoy it. Have been a Doctor Who fan all my life though.



Yeah I wasn't calling you out or anything it's just that this is the first time I've ever been called a lefty here


Everyone's left of someone, except one person


The green screen action sequence on the conveyor belts could have been completely removed



I think it's also worth pointing out that the terrorist guy was trying to make a difference universally, not just with one company. This is like trying to start a revolution to change the entire working world, but it doesn't happen, but then Amazon gives a word of mouth promise that it will hire some more people.

It felt to me like nothing really got solved tbqh



There's so much filler in series 11. Moffat was incredibly efficient, so I'm not used to this, Whole scenes are just there for the sake of being there



that person is nilso



But would it have been better if Charlie's plan succeeded? Eventually, some space agency would have figured out what really happened, and everyone involved in the revolution would have found out one of their own killed all those people in the first place. Yet it seems like some people would've wanted 13 to let Charlie commit mass murder.



Giving humans low skilled jobs is not the solution to automation.


The solution to automation is universal basic income.



those extra 5 minutes fucked everything up


Isn’t a teleport being able to enter the tardis a huge security issue? How would a teleport have gotten into the time vortex?



I don't mean to stir up the pot and i'm big on free speech but sometimes I do feel the need to throw my hat into the ring. Especially when Pete has wanted to write for Doctor Who his whole life, wrote an absolute cracker of an episode and is getting savaged for it here because the "messaging" was something right of far-left (which I doubt he had even considered when writing it:


It was really fun though, I miss big CGI stuff like that


Yeah, i'm slowly realising a lot of these critics actuall are antifa sympathisers who really would kill random people if they thought it would make a dent in capitalism, which is a worrying thought.



I don't think this episode was as much of a think piece as people are making out. It's space Amazon, don't think too much about it.



It wasn't a think piece, and that's a bad thing.



>But would it have been better if Charlie's plan succeeded?

I didn't say that. What gets me is that the ending of the episode implies that things are going to suddenly better, because a single company's quota for humans is bigger. The same ending, but with the Doctor explaining that this isn't a permanent solution, and that these things will take time would make more sense to me. It's more just how this one thing is presented as a solution, when it's not really. I think the terrorist guy had a point about 10% becoming 5% becoming 2% employment. He was a murderous dickbag, but I think he was right that that's where society is going, and it seems like the characters feel that they prevented that outcome when they definitely didn't. That's just my initial thoughts though, I only just watched it


It was a "don't think piece"


lets get some pussy tonight, fellas


this is a "don't think post"



same as the family of blood. tracked on to the tardis, so when the tardis entered the vortex, so did they



Doctor probably put on a setting to allow Kerblam! package deliveries



I think Chibnall's style is one other people could like, but to me it's meandering, with scenes that occasionally seem pointless. Even when the Moff would infuriate me, I had the feeling that almost every line he wrote was for a purpose, not just to fill time



ew het



Moffat is a very good writer in that regard. Take The Eleventh Hour for example, every single second is used to its full potential. Not a moment is wasted.


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I'm still waiting for neo to tell me what i think of the episode



I think it's because even Moff's comedy scenes and whatever feel like they're in aid of character work, whereas Chibnall sometimes does things that don't seem to be in aid of anything, unless I'm just dumb enough to get the amazing subtle subtext that Chibnall is putting in under my nose. But so far I do wish series 11 scripts had gone through like, one more draft, maybe just an editor tightening things up.



Neo's busy sobbing and sticking his thumbs into his eyes after getting BTFO by this episode being good



fuck neo, he profaned the pete


imagine morph and cats on /who/ cares complaining about the episode being pro-capitalist and anti revolution


It's going to feel so good to see doctor who magazine do a poll on series 11 and every non Chibnall episode will be higher than every chibnall episode



neo's the trip name for jeff bezos, and now he cant criticise this episode because it goes against his interests


that would be based.



You could say that about a lot of episodes. Loads of Ood are still slaves after Planet of the Ood. But it's implied that The Doctor's actions kickstart widespread positive change. Perhaps other companies look a Kerblam! and also decide to be 100% human.


They better get some McTighechads on the podcast or I simply will not listen.


mctighe may have profaned the moff, but he did name an episode of something after hell bent



Yeah, it's not a super new thing. I know planet of the ood does it, and Oxygen is another weird example to me, because it's weirdly unsubtle about the doctor explaining the revolution that comes after. I do appreciate though that in Oxygen the Doctor says that "humanity moves on to their next big mistake", and I guess I kind of wish this ep had ended on a similar note of "humanity moving on to their next big mistake"


How's making thousands of robots into suicide bombers chime with some of your best friends are robots?

Robophobic much



>Loads of Ood are still slaves after Planet of the Ood. But it's implied that The Doctor's actions kickstart widespread positive change.

To be fair, that wasn't just an implication. In the End of Time, we saw Ood Sigma and his people come back to their home planet and flourish without any fear of slavery.



>They better get some McTighechads on the podcast or I simply will not listen.

honestly they should. If everyone has the same view on the ep, it will feel like even more of a circlejerk


13 showing up and not quite solving the problem, but acting like she did is based and redpilled. I wanna see more of that.



I think it's a valid complaint but it feels like nitpicking on such a fantastic episode that has redeemed Series 11 for me.


True, but enslaved Ood are seen many times after The End of Time. I guess that could be chalked up to time fuckery but I always assumed that Ood emancipation was an ongoing effort.



yeah to be fair it is nitpicking I guess. It's more how things are presented that feels wrong to me. I'm pretty nitpicky about every episode though, and this was a good one to me. I prefered demons, but this episode is a close second



Why is 100% human a good thing? How is suck a company meant to be competitive against a more efficient and cost effective automated company?



kerblam goes bankrupt. They used to employ some people at least, now they employ no one because they're gone. The Doctor actually made things worse somehow. kek




I don't know, frankly I don't care, I thought it was just a way to have a feel good ending. I thought about none of these things after I saw the episode. I didn't even think it was controversial, I thought everyone would join me in the McTighe lovefest lol.



What’s wrong with the current state of amazon?


I didn't even consider the episode being pro-business until I came here.



Low pay. Automation over human employment. Jeff Bezos makes more money a minute than the majority of his workers will in a year.



aparently they dont treat their employees well



Kerblam was the good guy



because you are a tool



>"Thanks for saving the company, Doctor. All the Ood have been given two hours' leave, and I'm going to propose that Ood Operations reduces slave labor by 10%."



Automation over human employment is not a bad thing. Do you want to be given a low skilled monotonous pity job when other things can do the job better?



The corporation loves you. Welcome to your work day! Today is high productivity day! Happiness through acceptance. Productivity through happiness!



imagine if the episode had ended with the doctor pushing the robots further so that the human race doesn't even need jobs. Every human just has robots caring for their every need. now that would be redpilled


How is automated society portrayed in the Kaldor City spinoffs?


Fully automated space communism


>Gothic Marxist Jack Graham hated Moffat and wanted him gone

>Who without Moffat is now pro-capitalist


Next week the Doctor doesn't end the witch trials, but James promises to second check they're definitely witches first



OF COURSE this dumb marxist got a writing gig at Big Finish. Of fucking course.



ironic because I associate BF with capitalism somehow. Must be the desperate messages of "buy our stuff, only £29.99!!!!"



>selling things automatically makes you capitalist




It does?



Big Finish does prey on the capitalist consumer need to collect plastic. There is no need for them to have anything other than downloads and charge as much as it costs to break even



By that logic, Sandifer is a capitalist for saying "I will write essays but only if I'm paid a certain amount of money on Patreon!"



Everyone who participates in the economy is a complicit capitalist.



Well…. yes it does. But also, I've just come to associate them with being desperate for my money. That's what I mean



If Sandifer didn't have a capitalist attitude she wouldnt be asking for money now would she



That's a very black and white view on the process of buying and selling, and to say Big Finish should only break even instead of attempt to make some kind of profit sounds delirious when Briggs has a family to feed.



>two dollars



Say that to her face, anon. Tell her that she's a capitalist.



It's not an issue, i'll just make sure to pirate this guys stuff if he hates white people and their money so much LOL



Identifying as something different doesn't change lived reality



Now tell her that.



Unironically this.



haha fair enough. If he's so anti-capitalist, he won't mind, so you can absolutely pirate his stuff

in good conscience.



So according to that logic, you must be a capitalist? Unless you happen to be using a computer that was given to you for free, while using free wi-fi?



Yes, you are a capitalist. If you believe in communism or any other non-capitalist ideology while partaking in capitalist society, you are nothing more than a hypocrite who thinks they're better than others.



I'm actually a Brapitalist. You have read Marx's discourses on fartonomics haven't you cletus?



Unless you bought it from the state, yes. Encouraging private enterprise is the definition of capitalism.



I bought it from your moms pussy lol


Who else is getting their popcorn ready for the /who/ Demons of the Punjab vs Kerblam war?



Good thing I'm an enlightened centrist on that front. :)



So if I kicked you in the nuts, and convinced you to buy a bucket of ice to dull the pain, and kept kicking you in the nuts until you agreed to buy said ice, you would be a capitalist.



That's literally a perfect metaphor for capitalism




I once met a guy who was an 'enlightened centrist' in the US, and a lot of his opinions seemed to be a compromise between republican and democrat views…. except I pointed out that if he came to my country, he'd be considered a conservative for his views, and he got verged. I think he genuinely built his identity on being a centrist. I'm sure most centrists are fine or whatever but this guy was weird as fuck



Anyone who strongly holds a label as being their personal identity is weird and gets completely broken when you challenge it


what if the doctor regenerated into a screaming chimpanzee



There are centrists that are addicted to being "correct" and sitting on the fence but their are also "centrists" which is just what political radicals call anyone who has a mix of left and right politics.



I personally identify as a centrist but im also willing to admit that its probably because im too much of a little bitch to take a real stand on something


Beint a centrist doesn't mean not taking a stand, it means not having a stand that's on one polar extreme.



Well then in this case i dont know what the fuck i am then





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I think that's fair to defend it, don't get me wrong I think the episode was good, it just lost the plot for me towards the end, if you took it completely apolitically it's a fine episode with an interesting twist, but some of the lines like the doctor literally saying "the system is fine" is too on the nose regardless of your political leanings to be considered well thought out writing, I doubt Pete is even right leaning himself, I just don't think he considered his lines from all angles and the mixed messaging it could have spread.

All this isn't to say I don't think right leaning people, or even right leaning stories, should be banned from the show, I honestly want to see an actual right leaning take on doctor who since we've never had one that would do it justice.



> I doubt Pete is even right leaning himself

Nobody who uses "some of my best friends are x" positively could be passionately left leaning


episode idea: like the TARDIS getting smaller in Flatline but it's the Doctor's body getting younger. As the episode progresses, she slowly goes from adult to teenager to young adult to kid to toddler and to baby all while the companion has to both take care of her and solve the problem at hand


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>Nationals MP liked the episode

What does this say about the episode?



Was he the guy who wore the baker scarf and passed a motion honoring doctor who for 50 years?




im not really a centrist, but it could just show that youre good enough at weighing up issues that you realise the positives and drawbacks of both sides of an issue, but your views dont fall well within the whole partisan spectrum thing. There's nothing wrong with being on the middle in most issues.



>There's nothing wrong with being on the middle in most issues.

Tell that to morph




Go and tell a morph about your moral centreground



>I doubt Pete is even right leaning himself, I just don't think he considered his lines from all angles and the mixed messaging it could have spread.

this is like kill the moon again. I thought it was about abortion when i first watched it, and thought it seemed unusual that doctor who was taking such a firmly pro-life stance. And then it turned out the writer didn't mean it that way at all



is he judy



thats so fucking cringe


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It's so hard to not see it as a take on abortion though, I know it's not intended at all but it's still interesting to see it that way. The most radical centrist take I've seen are people saying it's pro choice, but vehemently anti abortion, which makes a bit of sense



Yeah, you know what? pro-life was the wrong word. The Doctor does give Clara a choice after all. Pro-choice but vehemently anti-abortion is a good descriptor.


I wanna see an episode where 13 supports Eugenics


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>the doctor literally saying "the system is fine" is too on the nose regardless of your political leanings to be considered well thought out writing

People have completely misread this though. Thirteen is saying the process of automation is amoral and that it takes human intervention to make it good or bad. She says nothing about capitalism at any point, that's just what's been read into it.

>All this isn't to say I don't think right leaning people, or even right leaning stories, should be banned from the show, I honestly want to see an actual right leaning take on doctor who since we've never had one that would do it justice.

Aliens Among Us was a fairly right-wing series that I quite enjoyed. I know it's stated multiple times that "it's totally different from foreigners!" and it has the existing Torchwood gay stuff but at it heart it's very pro-borders and appealed to my sensibilities.


Love it. Maybe one of the companions is also getting older which poses a whole other problem.


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I wanna impregnate her



I guess I understand your point if you read it about automation as a concept, but the way the episode presents itself it seems to be going for a space Amazon vibe, maybe we should have actually SEEN some of the other things automation has been doing for different companies?


Remember that Babylon 5 episode where the doctor tries to fix up an alien kid? But because the kids' parents are Alien Jehovah's Witnesses and think any kind of surgery is blasphemy, they murder their kid and we're supposed to see the medical doctor in the wrong? Could you imagine Pete making that?



that would be great. I wanna see him do that next series



The robots and Kerblam! have to feel sinister and oppressive or the reveal that it was an employee all along would have no punch. It seems like people just wanted an "amazon bad" episode without the clever twist at the end.


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What are the most right-wing Doctor Who episodes besides Kerblam, The Unquiet Dead, and The Dominators?



The Savages



>The White Savages



Mark Gatiss is a huge leftist on Twitter, so why out of his first three stories we get:

>Seemingly harmless refugees are actually monsters who will tear apart society the moment you let them in.

>If you father abuses you, your mum, and your nan, and rats out all your neighbors to the feds, you should forgive him nonetheless

>Winston Churchill was a cool and reliable friend



he thinks hes a leftist but if he actually examined his views…. yikes



Because progressivism has gone fucking bonkers in the last few years. Those first two stories are from 2005/2006 and nobody found them objectionable because misandry and blind acceptance of mass migration wasn't widespread yet.



But the Doctor is friends with same sex couples, believes they are consensual loving people whose relationship doesn't hurt anyone. So if the Doctor represents a moral bedrock, then doesn't that suggest that this is the only reaction to have to these two people in this relationship?

Well, I think that the new series—and I don't rail against it, I watch it—plays to the new era and the signs of the times. There was never any overtly homosexual characters in classic Doctor Who. Not that it was a bad thing… but put it this way, the new series does tend to have a lot more episodes where there's a political morality lesson than the old series. The old series had a few, of course "The Green Death" was all about environmentalism, and that was seen as a left-wing episode. There was "The Happiness Patrol," which was supposedly an attack on Margaret Thatcher… although interestingly I've seen a reading of it that says "while it was meant to be against Thatcher, everything in this society that the woman stands for is oppressive leftist, rather than right." But then "Sun Makers" was all about oppressive taxation.

(Christensen is not wrong about that. Like George Harrison's Taxman, 1977's "Sun Makers" came about when writer Robert Holmes was angry over a huge tax bill.)



(first line is question, rest is response)



Loz freaked out over Unquiet Dead and it’s how he burned his last remaining bridges


Whats /who/s consensus on Kerblam? Just finished it and can't be arsed looking through two threads.



The RTD era was such a series of JUST moments for Loz. Burned his bridges so hard that nobody wants to look at his "Book of the World" spec script, and those who do find it underwhelming. His precious FP gets tossed around by various publishers because it doesn't sell enough. The latest he ever wrote anything published was in 2009.



Consensus is that it's good, but has a tacked on "Amazon is good" message at the end.


The postmen reminded me of Simon Pegg's character in Black Books.


>Look to your left.

>What does he mean by “look to your left”? I've written tons about that on the forums. I think it's a political statement.



That’s why RTD is the wave that BTFOs Faction Paradox and forces them into hiding before they start recovering in the Moff wave



>but has a tacked on "Amazon is good" message at the end.

That is absolutely not the consensus, we've spent the last two threads debating the presence/absence of a message at all let alone what it actually is


The real world debate of Amazon being good or bad has nothing to do with how shipping companies were portrayed in kerblam


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What the fuck is she doing?



>before they start recovering in the Moff wave

But without any Loz input during this era. And Obverse is rumored to be pulling the plug on the range after Book of the Peace.


Kerblam’s portrayal of robots was meant to be “automation bad” - having the robots police organic conduct to ensure maximum productivity and essentially oppress humans - but it provided no reason why human workers should be preferred over robots outside of the superficial fact that automation makes people upset.

Since the episode ended with kerblam promising to become a human organisation and we’re meant to see that as a happy resolution it can be inferred that the message regarding the villain, if there was one, was “you’re fighting for the right cause but going about it the wrong way”. If this message was intentional, it's significantly muddied by the fact that earlier on in the episode 13 says words to the effect of "this is monotonous labor, why aren't robots doing it?"

If any of this is the case, then Pete is the new Harness with regards to poorly thought out political messages.



redpill me on the happiness patrol being a leftist dystopia


It's also entirely possible that Pete was not trying to write a political story at all and just thought that space amazon and automation made for an interesting premise, and he paid no thought to the fact that people interpret those things politically.



>If any of this is the case, then Pete is the new Harness with regards to poorly thought out political messages.

Harness's message in Kill the Moon is "abortion bad"

Harness's message in The Zygon Invasion is that refugees (zygons) should let go of their original culture and fully assimilate to fit in (even changing their appearance)



kek. i wanna see a full montage like this one, for the whole season, once it finishes airing. Absolutely hilarious. Who told Jodie to do that?



Thats just the sorta thing I'd waste my free time doing



you're making me miss Moff


people bad

robots good

simple really



I thought the message in The Zygon Invasion was "Listen to ISIS and compromise, or we'll all die."



also remember he actively attempted to stop that black guy from being in empress of mars because he deemed it inaccurate



listen to terrorists, but dont let refugees practise their culture openly. Really pisses off everyone, doesn't it?



Harness didn't intend either of those messages, but that's how those episodes are naturally interpreted. Same thing with Kerblam, it's getting interpreted as "amazon good automation good" when he was aiming for "amazon exists automation bad"



I 100% believe jodie chooses to do it because she sees the role as some sort of dramatic action hero. She's so used to regular human characters that, when given the chance to do something fantastical, she takes her delivery to the hyperbolic extreme.



I don't know why anyone would want a Harness Who. It would be nothing but messages that get undermined by their execution. Maybe Harness should come to grips with the fact he's not the modern day Rod Serling.



Opinion is divided between:

a) People who think it is GOAT.

b) People who think it is good but hate the ending.

c) People who are so verged over the ending they are rating it lower than the rest of Series 11.


That's exactly what happened in my opinion. If you look at most norman sites like Twitter nobody is commenting on it, it's only places with far left radicals that are kicking up a fuss. He wrote for Wentworth that had multiple lesbian characters, racism sub-plots and a transsexual character so I don't think he's quite the man he's being painted as. Not that if holding right-wing beliefs would in any way diminish the great episode he put out.


Shhhh, she's having fun!


You thought the Zygon Invasion/Inversion was right wing? The whole thing was basically "don't worry about migrants or demographic change, it's only the extremists that are a problem!" which is exactly what lefties like Adam Hills espouse.



A bunch of redcoats take some time off fighting the zulu and decide to colonise mars for the british empire - they underestimate the 'savage natives'…. If the martians represent the zulus, it's a bit odd having the redcoats be black. so was the black redcoat also oppressing the africans?

I don't think my take is what Mark Gattiss meant, but it seemed like having a black guy in the role as a british soldier who's oppressing natives really mixed the metaphor up a bit. Especially because we learn they found the crashed ice warrior spaceship in Africa.


When's harness's war of the worlds?



Don't forget they named the Ice Warrior they befriended Friday, after Robinson Crusoe's servant.



>You thought the Zygon Invasion/Inversion was right wing?

I didn't say right or left wing. I do agree about part of the message of the episode being: "don't worry about migrants or demographic change, it's only the extremists that are a problem!"

However, would you deny that there's an implication that refugees (either zygon ones or muslim ones) should disguise themselves, to fit in, not practise their own culture, and act like a good human / european? I definitely get the impression that Harness is suggesting that to immigrate into the UK, muslim refugees should get rid of their hijabs, not pray in public, basically disguise themselves as one of the locals


The fact that the episode ended with kerblam committing to using humans instead of robots and we're meant to see that as a good thing with no consideration of company running expenses, efficiency or QOL of employees in monotonous roles that could be done by robots while living away from their families, suggests that pete hasn't put much thought into the dilemma of automation and wasn't trying to do a political take.

I hope.



Ah yes, I forgot all about that. Another good detail.


The only conscious political message in the episode was "terrorism bad"



>However, would you deny that there's an implication that refugees (either zygon ones or muslim ones) should disguise themselves, to fit in, not practise their own culture, and act like a good human / european?

I don't know, maybe. That's not a bad message, if intended. So many refugees and migrants are disgustingly ungrateful and make no effort to ingratiate themselves because they know they have a protected status in their host country.



Personally I think immigrants should take part in the culture they're joining, if they're coming to the UK for instance, they shouldn't segregate themselves and only socialise with eachother….. however i dont feel they should have to hide their identity etc… for instance i dont get verged at hijabs being worn. But I feel that episode is saying you should cover up your identity.

Fundamentally, it's hilarious how much Harness bungles the messages of his episodes


Kerblam was radfrock



Kerblam was crap


Zygon I/I's message would have echoed more if we saw the aftermath in a future episode. Even a one-off line like Yaz mentioning she thought one of her fellow cops looked like an orange Patrick Star.



They don't have to hide anything. A lot of them openly voice their disdain for their host countries and the natives and are cheered on for it. Funnily enough it's usually third generation who are fully brought up with the benefits of the western world who are the most entitled and hateful. (I think Harness did touch on this in the episode about the youngest ones being radicalised but it's a real mess and if it wasn't for Bonnie i'd probably never watch those episodes again.)


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who the fuck



>Yet it seems like some people would've wanted 13 to let Charlie commit mass murder.

The ep would have been much better if, after Charlie's defeat, it had ended with 13 condemning both the CEO and the human officer, as well as the robots, for allowing such a horrible status quo, and letting an innocent young woman to die for what amounted to a petty feud, and saying "If this isn't fixed in 20 years, expect to see me again."




Monster of Peladon



Yeah, they've made 13 too nice. She should've been far angrier at the system in place where few people have money and the only way to get money is through bottom of the barrel labor.


>13 should have said both sides were wrong!



But both sides were wrong. Kerblam was treating its workers poorly and blind to the plights of the impovershed. And Charlie was a crazy terrorist.


Ever seen a man say goodbye to a kino before?



She was angry–up until the terrorist was revealed. Honestly, this feels like the product of a script that doesn't have enough imagination to have 13 say Universal Basic Income, or "retrain the populace", or "decrease the profits of the CEO and give it to the workers"….

Also, there's a troubling thing where the robots are straight-up actually self-aware, and no one seems concerned that they killed a human being ?






Well, who did you think was right? Do you side with terrorists or big corporations?



I've seen a photo taken from /who/ posted to reddit and got 1k upvotes before.



*Facebook flag*

Let me predict it:

The doctors walks round, poking her head all over the place with her arms held up.

One of the companions sits and talks about their life

Threat barely appears and gets beaten easily


>tfw next episode will be the best this series

Feels good.


tfw there are no more episodes this series you’re interested in



I think terrorism is bad, and terrorists are bad. I also think that exploitative conditions that keep people from seeing their families and are mind-breaking and soul-killing, is all very horrible, and the Doctor is the type, even after stopping a terrorist, who would call those conditions out.



I'll be surprised if it isn't.



I'm looking forward to It Takes You Away


Twelfth Doctor Goes Ape Shit And Threatens Ashildr | Face the Raven | Doctor Who | BBC


Elderly Man with Early-onset Alzheimer's Abandoned in the Desert | Hell Best | Doctor Who | BBC




I posted it on /who/ first and then i decided to see if i could get some internet points. I thought I would get like 50 at most, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I must be reddit famous now.



second best after heaven sent


>listening to Kaldor City since someone told me that does "big corporations versus rebellious workers among automated work" better

>opening is so kitschy

>already know that the main character is Avon but never liked Blakes 7 anyway


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>there will be a jamie mathieson series in your lifetime



Why do people think Robert Holmes was conservative? All of his stories are about the struggle of workers' rights and the evils of corrupt authority figures. Only other 70s writer who wrote more left wing stories was Hulke, and he was a commie.


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Were there always people that were against historicals this much? Even only just today ive seen people comment that theres been too many of them despite there only about 3 this season, which is only like 1 more than the two that the rtd era usually had. And ive seen comments berating people for suggesting the idea of making a pure historical



theres also less episodes this series, i think a lot of people dont care for historicals that they didnt already know the history of



>no historicals

>"Bring back historicals!"

>get historicals

>"no more historicals!"



but those are the best ones! I really enjoyed he partition ep because i wasnt already horribly familiar with the time period


knock knock is underrated



Robert Holmes was pretty left, but the Third Doctor was definitely the most conservative Doctor (happily working with a genocical military organisation, calling the royals a ‘charming family’). I’ve heard more people call the Pertwee era in general conservative, I haven’t really heard people specifically targeting Robert Holmes.



youre underrated faggot


knock knock is underhated.



Then again this is probably what i get for looking at reddit and facebook comments


The Witchfinders will feature a Lancastrian ancestor of Clara Oswald as a supporting character, played by Dame Jenna Coleman.


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>tfw this lot have more personality than literally every single series 11 companion



Have no idea what Chapo Trap House is, but if they scare /pol/, they sound like okay people.



unironically wish we saw them again in series 10


RTD - what if futuristic hospital exploit people for cures

Chibfuck - what if futuristic hospital … have monster



>why do episodes always have to shoehorn in evil monsters? Why cant the episodes stand in their own?

>why are there no evil monsters? An episode without an evil monster isnt REAL Doctor Who



same, they were surprisingly really like-able for only being one offs



Chibfuck - What if futuristic evil corporation exploit people… and that’s a good thing?



RTD - What if an alien race took complete control over every vehicle on the planet, allowing them to not only control them remotely, but also emit a toxic gas that would pacify the entire planet in mere minutes, all with the help of a genius child prodigy

Chib - What if… spider big and donald trump



I wish i could see Chibnall explaining the idea of Arachnids, trying his hardest to sell it as a crazy groundbreaking idea


Moff - What if the Doctor went to a widow's house and did a rendition of the Chronicles of Narnia, where he'll break apart the rules of time to get her husband back and make a happy family?

Chib - what if hindu hate muslim?


JNT - What if the Doctor, fresh from a new regeneration, suffers from a personality crisis and has a shattered relationship with his companion, while an insect tyrant plots to destroy a sun?

Moff - what if doctor punch wall? heheh.


The master fucking pretended to befriend the Doctors companion for over a decade just to fuck with him. what an absolute mad lad


A mouse in front of a lion, drawing a lion in the sand.


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wtf i love segun now



Knock knock is appropriately rated




I don’t know what this chapo stuff is, quick rundown?


Let's Demolish Pete McTighe


>If you want socialism, watch Star Trek.

Kek. The show written and made by ultra-capitalist Gene Roddenberry?



chapo hard sci fi nerds have some obsession with star trek being communist, it's really weird



they're always such a mix of people with genuinely good opinions and complete cape-shit tier spastics

>dae star trek is so epic and cool? (did you know it's old?)

i really would like to see how the people calling literally everyone shitlibs are IRL. can't be sufferable.


>we are shutting all operations for a month

>we are giving all our workers 2 weeks paid leave

Pete presented this as a good thing




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now THIS is a take


Where were all the robot maintenance and development jobs?


Pete McTighe is the radical centrist writer the show needs right now, rather than any of these milquetoast neolibs like chibnall


>the new showrunner is announced

>it's not a showrunner at all

>it's a director

>David Yates' Doctor Who? trilogy beginning in 2020




Bring back Chibnall.


Centrism is the true pillar of hope in these dark, polarised times. Everyone needs to come closer to the middle and learn to compromise. Society cannot function effectively when 50% hates the other 50%.


Imagine doctor who becoming an anthology show where every year has a different writer/director team writing a trilogy of stories with their own doctor



>one of the commenters verging that Yaz is a cop

I've been seeing this shit recently. Any show that has a cop, no matter how they portray that cop, is treated like fascist propaganda. I wish Yaz committed a hate crime. Would make her character more interesting.



Cool at first, but would then get annoying since you know none of these Doctors or writers will last beyond three stories. And you won't get a multi-year story arc like the Capaldi era.


People are lost on how to feel about Kerblam, because it presents a political situation about automation and human labor but does not provide an "and that's a good/bad thing"

So the people desparate to find a political message in all doctor who episodes are grasping at subtext and trying to make sense of the seemingly contradictory takes when you look at the episode from the perspective of it being a political narrative.

They are watching doctor who wrong.


Is that Lady Christina slitheen audio alright?

I actually have a bit of a softspot for the Slitheen



listen to it and find out.




>written by a new writer named Donald MacLeary

It's not Fitton, so that's a plus.


My name is Donald. Do you know of any big finish audio adventures for children that have been written by someone with my name?



>because it presents a political situation about automation and human labor but does not provide an "and that's a good/bad thing"

Actually, it has 13 condone an expliotative system just because humans will still get the jobs now, and not call out the CEO and HR person for being complicit, so yes, it's presenting a political message, though it might be unintentional. As for intentioned, it clearly thinks that automation taking away jobs for humans is bad.



this, i wanna see past it and just chuck it up to being unintentional but some of 13s lines and actions are so on the nose it isnt even funny


When was the last time we had a Doctor Who story where it was impossible to find any political or philosophical message?



It unintentionally presents a political situation and unintentionally provides an implicit moral stance. Pete just wanted to write a story about space amazon and automation without considering the political dilemma attached to it. The way the story is resolved clearly shows he was not putting much (or any) thought into the political implications.



It’s not that the episode is political, is that the politics of the episode are wrong.


>search Doctor Who on youtube

>always get some Cletus video saying "The SJW Agenda Is Killing Doctor Who!" in first page of search results



Fear Her?


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Ah yes, the one villian that everyone wanted back.



It was about a victim of father-on-daughter child abuse hiding all of her fears in drawings. There has to be some philosophy to that, even if it was Fear Her.




i get just as much entertainment out of john being verged about not coming back as i would from him actually coming back



>The way the story is resolved clearly shows he was not putting much (or any) thought into the political implications.

Honestly, i think the ep uses the villain to represent both "machines are taking our jobs!" and "immigrants are taking our jobs" people under "extremism is bad, and so is blaming others for your problems." The problem is that it mixes "Space Amazon" with this, and since 13 never criticizes Kerblam as a company, it ends up condoning the workers' horrible conditions.


How did chibnall let an amoral episode slip through?


The overnight UK viewing figures for last night’s episode, Kerblam!, have been released.

>The episode had 5.93 million viewers on average, a tick up from last week’s 5.77 million in spite of the move to an earlier timeslot of 6.30pm on BBC One.


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Doctor Who goes full Shinzo Abe and has a "Men and women should get married and have babies to maintain the birthrate" episode when?



I didn't really pick up an immigrant allegory with kerblam. Obviously you can draw connections with the "took er jerbs" protesting but nobody was interpreting the robots as an invasion, or any of the other type of rhetoric people use on immigrants.


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So we've found the stable ratings region?


who wants to stream I'm a celeb later on tonight?



I bought all of Capaldi on Blu-Ray with my first pay check, very nice



that would actually be GOAT stream material, im down whenever


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Oh it's actually a weeping angel story

With the slitheen from boom town, neat



>dat Bill face



I need to cook dinner first so I'd want to do it 1.5-2 hours from now


I have the I'm a celeb episode downloaded and can put it on google drive



Any Titan comics worth reading other than Weeping Angel of Mons, and that 11 story with the Squire and Abslom Daak?


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Nardole is worse



>nardole and bill with RTD era monsters

what the fuck?



>it's a "artist got lazy and traced over random pictures of the actors no matter how unfitting their facial expressions were* comic


we should start watching whovians in stream too but im not sure how to download it


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reminder that vervoids



The Doctor got sent back in time and started to lead some underground railroad shit



She opened the Kerblam port


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These faces man…



>even worse Bill face

Okay, the artist was either trolling, or they found some A Wyatt Mann drawings to use for inspiration.


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>its a "artist throws a filter over screenshots" page



Are the first few episodes expired on iview now?


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That's actually a quite good 12th outfit




Elderly Jack Frost from Rise of the Guardians


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nah they're all still there


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Missy's face is actually quite alright

The rest… not so much



Why is Peggy Hill in the TARDIS?



>Half a Capaldi looks at Frank Castle, who is angry at a racial stereotype


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imagine yaz doing this



>imagine yaz doing this

imagine yaz doing anything interesting


Pete is the only writer who has made any use of the fact that Yas is a police officer


Reminder that we never actually see this tardis team’s first trip in the tardis, their first visit to the future or their first visit to the past


Did Vinay or Pete ever have an “every companion takes turns making a one line comment on [thing]” moment?


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his little kiss to the past is making the show shit just like classic who


The Pyramid at the End of the World has a subtext about consenting and I've only just realised.

>You act out of fear. Fear is not consent.

>You act out of love. Love is consent.

Based Harness after his pro-choice Kill the Moon.


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>Protestant insult in episode



sounds based to me



It was a fucked up concept of consent though, bill acted out of strategy and fear because of someone she loved, not love for the monks. The episode contradicts its own rules.

I maintain that pyramid is absolutely the worst episode of the capaldi era because from start to finish not a single thing makes sense if you even slightly think about it. All of the other "bad" episodes of the capaldi era have specific things that make them bad, whereas pyramid does literally not a single thing right


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>Airzone Solution reference in episode



People on GB saying it's KJV level dark


>let's have an authority structure with a leader who can make up new rules as they please, that's what jesus would have wanted!


Without the bungled politics, I still think Kerblam is decently written. If Pete had a stronger hand over him than Chibbs to help iron things out, I'd love to see him back someday.



I agree.



Queen Anne gets "the shock of her life"




Kerblam is customerservicecinema


Is there a download available for the most recent DWM issue? #532, I think.



Sure. Part of me still feels kind of bad for the guy since he was so enthusiastic to write for the show. Has he commented on any of the blowback?


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stream soon?



Yeah, alright





I wonder how much the airing order has been moved around behind the scenes.


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I don't get it and the Reddit comments don't help.

For me this scene was just awkward and shit. Some one explain please?


Does starting I'm a celeb on the coming hour (15min) work?



It's a "funny" line delivered by someone with no comedic sense of timing or delivery.



Oh so it's not a joke. That's why I'm struggling to find why it's funny


Redpill me on Ant and Dec.



Holly and Dec



ant is a druggo



Once split, forever shit



It's pretty great. As a customer service rep this relates to me somewhat.

My only criticism is that Lee Mack I feel was underused.

I'm also noticing a theme of some episode titles having dual meanings, like with The Woman Who Fell to Earth and Demons of the Punjab.



Lee Mack's character dying early surprised me somewhat. It'd have been interesting to have him be the villain of the piece instead of Charley



Twats. Ignore them.





>Watching imaceleb on demand


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>travel back to 1977

>show a Sex Pistols fan this


>Colin showed up in a Doctor Who themed skit on Banzai

>Colin showed up in Come Dine With Me

>Colin did I'm a Celeb

Why is Colin Baker the Doctor all these reality shows use? Surely, they could use Davison or McGann on an occasional basis.



>Eccleston is forced to do I'm a Celeb next season

>he has to bathe in the same river twice



He's seen as "The Shit Doctor" by most of the UK so it's easy for them to get him on there and people will say "It's the shit Doctor!"



>The SJW Agenda Is Killing Doctor Who!

I wonder what the Cletes who make those videos think of Kerblaam!






Tried kangaroo once. Very fatty meat and not much else


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I'm a celebrity stream tomorrow instead because google drive takes forever to process videos


Does anybody else have no fucking clue who the other nine I'm a Celeb contestants are?



then you'll be an episode behind



daily streams would be unsustainable anyway



I know who most of them are but that's because I'm from the UK. I'm assuming you're not, right? The big lady is one of the Chasers from The Chase which is hosted by Are Bradley Walsh



Do you know what the weekly schedule for episodes is? How many days a week do episodes air?



every day



Shes the only other one I recognize


>tfw i only just realized right now that the show is a play on celebrities being "washed up" on an island

Fucking hell im an idiot



All 7 days a week? The australian one is sun-wed I think





Kerblam is so layered, best ep


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Meant for>>150732 I assume, Kinda.


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How would I'm a /who/re Get Me Out of Here go?



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cats and morph form an alliance and talk shit about nilso and kinda, stirring up unwarranted drama that creates huge tension in the campsite


They took our jobs! Dey took 'er jerbs!! Durka der!!



out of the closet?



You've been looking at it since April.



npc tier



Nilso would probably be tied to a pyre by the third night



That was indeed the joke, anon.



…and that's a good thing.



I think one of those is Nilso


>almost nobody squats and pops anymore.


We will purify your land.


I'd like to tie a certain /who/re to a pyre, if you know what I mean



is the pyre your dick?



Who is @GarethRobertsFan?



that's up on last week


I don't suppose we could have a moment of cuddling?



My guess is Looms4Lyfe, nobody else still gives a shit about Gareth's mouldy arse.


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egselend, we meed again dogdor :DDD





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Found another


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We didn't deserve him.



>shooting script (draft 8)

how many drafts do you think chibnall does before filming?


Redpill me on Capaldi's footed Daleks.


Capal's Kerblam would be KINOEST



Chibnall Who is all improv



He writes it all on the bus to set


Big Finish's Kerb!am Chronicles when


Nilso, eating sugar?


kerblam was the worst episode of nuwho



except it is the best



>implying mcgann would show up for one of those

he's a really private person irl, i doubt you'd catch him on a reality show


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Punjab is better



No Matter how many brainless wojacks you post it's still a better episode



sure thing Timmy


it's simple

punjab good

kerblam bad


it's simple

punjab is gay drama

kerblam best of s11


Odd question but, does anyone know which DWM issue has The Tenth Doctor adventures volume 2 advert on the back?

I've got the one with volume 1 on the back and it's really good so I've put it on my wall



are you 12?


>Judy loves the ep and attacks people who criticise it or preferred Demons

This should be giving you pause.



It's a proper high quality young Tennant pic wondering if volume 2 is the same


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has gig spoken on kablewy


has neo spoken on kablono


Bring me the Neo




just look at his twitter likes



he was salty before the broadcast

but don't know if legit or just a spat with the Nilso

also don't know if Nilso is legit loving Kerblam

or just to spat the Neo


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What will the context for this be?



Nilso certainly seemed to be enjoying

t. streamfag



I legitimately enjoyed Kerblam!, I rated the stories so far as 7 > 4 > 2 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 5 and I spent most of the last thread laughing at Loz getting mad on Twitter




Kiss Kino Away



deleted scene



farewell to herself

regenerates after


They should put deleted scenes in the trailer to deliberately throw people off


I can't wait to see what scenes Chib thought were bad enough to cut



A pretty cool guy, gives great secret santa gifts and doesn't afraid of anything.


Kerblam! is the best episode so far. 7.5/10.


>the anon is a creature though to be cross-bred from two imageboards

>which boards?

>/tv/ and /doctorwho/, it is supposed

>oh it must be well verged then

>inconsolable, according to the stories

>if they're just stories, why are you so worried?

>some matrix prophecies suggest—


>many prophecies suggest—


>all matrix prophecies concur that this creature will one day stand in the ruins of /who/. it will halt the posting of kino, and post a billion billion memes to obscure its insecurities


>Although Hell Bent, among other series 9 episodes, offered multiple possibilities as to the identity/nature of the Hybrid, showrunner Steven Moffat, in an interview for Doctor Who Magazine #504, confirmed that he intended that the Hybrid was the pairing of the Doctor and Clara. He retroactively linked this fact to the reason why the Doctor's TARDIS exhibited some hostility towards Clara in series 7. (This would also explain the hearts the Hybrid would break: the audience's.)


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the hybrid… destined to conquer /who/…. is neo



Agreed. It's everything I wanted and more. Pete absolutely came through on this one. So much better than everything else in Series 11. Everyone seems to concur, it's a triumph.


I don't understand the BBC.

They're putting out less episodes than before, they're not any more particularly heavy on the CGI side than the Moffat era yet they can't keep up the pace every year while Moffat managed to do just that? What the fuck?



RTD was a god when it came to getting that much doctor who out

Moffat was more of a demi god, we ended up with split seasons and one less episode etc, but still….

Chib is a little gremlin



BBC was the reason for split series


which /who/re is most likely to be the zodiac killer?



moff's a cuck who couldnt stand up to the bbc



All of us, it's a murder on the /who/reient express



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Is he right?


The Return of Doctor Mysterio is objectively better than anything in Series 11.


There's nothing wrong with the Return of Doctor Mysterio.



didn't watch but no



the costume design


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>Doctor Mysterio better than Kerblam!



Yes Jodie.


>Dark Water: AI 85

Top kek, Doctor Who will never be this good ever again.



7.55 > 7.50



Jodie Whittaker is NOT the Doctor. She's a bad David Tennant/Matt Smith impressionist who mugs her way through patronising, diversity-fixated twaddle.



the best arc would be that, we followed a fake doctor for a series


>Moffat has such an enormous ego he choose Chibnall to replace him so people would look back fondly on his era and truly appreciate it for what it was

Utterly based.


I swear I gave her a chance. I went through six episodes of this mascarade. I can't anymore, rest in peace Doctor Who.


Chibnall has such an enormous ego he choose not ripe writers to stuff his series so people would look back fondly on his era and truly appreciate it for what it was



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>Wade through six episodes of pure shit

<Give up when it's finally getting good

I feel glorious, glorious getting a chance to start again…..






I want to give up life


What if the Battle of Ranskoor av Kolos features Daleks?




Hold on there Madam, it stills pales compared to anything in Series 10. This is Empress of Mars-tier.



Ranskoor av Kolos features "Skaro" twice.



How much do you wanna bet Chibnall didn't even notice?



Nah, Vinay is a better writer than Gatiss and Pete is Harness but better.



Planet of Justma'i kitre Ally



>Hold on there Madam, it stills pales compared to anything in Series 10. This is Empress of Mars-tier.

Kerblam! is better than anything in Series 10 except maybe WEAT | The Doctor Falls. It's good for Doctor Who, not just good for Series 11.


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>Kerblam! is better than anything in Series 10



I like Kerblam! but comparing it to WEAT/TDF is absolutely laughable


Titles you will never see:

Planet of the gay faggots



So this is what Chibnall has done to you…



>better than Smile

>Thin Ice



Absolute KEK.



Assault of the Benefactors.


The Faggots of the Daleks



>maybe WEAT | The Doctor Falls

>actually thinking anything in S11 so far compares to WEAT | The Doctor Falls

is this the DWE of stockholm syndrome?




could easily be a Chibnall-era title


What's the consensus on the Monks trilogy?



honestly yeah. I feel that some people are settling for less. Unless there's stuff in series 11 that I'm missing.




The quality has been lowered so far that average episodes now look GOAT.




>Better than literally anything in Series 10



surprisingly well choreographed action for 80s Who.


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Yep, except WEAT | The Doctor Falls, that's what I said.


Smile is good but I prefer Kerblam! Thin Ice is just The Beast Below but worse. Oxygen is boring as shit. Monks Trilogy is a fucking mess unlike Kerblam! which is a beautifully crafted episode.



I was unimpressed with most of Series 11, but I love Kerblam! Instant classic. I'm sure many will disagree as the verge is real.



The Pilot is definitely a lot better than the best ep of series 11, but apart from the pilot and the finale 2-parter, there's an argument to be made about the rest of series 10. I wouldn't neccessarily agree, but an argument could be made


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Pilot is fucking wank and one of the worst episodes of NuWho. Kerblam! blows it out of the water.



McGann is unironically too good for that shit

Davison is probably convinced out of it every time by David/Georgia


Compare this 10 second trailer from Series 10.


>action, stakes, you understand something big is going to happen, scary monster, THINGS HAPPENING

To Series 11's.


>people talking, sparks, close up on faces, EXPOSITION

Fuck you Chibnall.



Ok, Pete



>Pilot is fucking wank and one of the worst episodes of NuWho. Kerblam! blows it out of the water.

Imagine having this opinion.




>I was unimpressed with most of Series 11, but I love Kerblam! Instant classic.

I thought it was okay. On first instinct, I like Demons more, mostly because I feel Demons is doing something fairly new. (a new who episode actually exploring history, and specifically a period of history many brits know fuck all about.) However, I love the little arc with Lee Mack and the necklace, and I thought it was a fun ep. I can see myself changing my mind if I rewatch it in like 6 months, with fresh eyes. I don't really get the massive hate, but I dont get the massive love either. It seemed, like most of series 11 to be a little unambitious and.. meh. But it was for sure the 2nd best ep so far. I don't know. I'm not thrilled, but not verged either I think



>I'm trying to imagine the answer to the question, but I can't quite see the solution

Still shocked this is an actual line of dialogue.


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>a woman as The Doctor

>being this tier of absolute cancer

Let it die already. Bring it back in 20 years after all this moral panic has finally died down… if there's even a UK left to bring it back to.



Was it worth getting Lee Mack in?

He died in 5 minutes



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