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"/who/ Cares?" podcast on Series 11: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz80wZ00_JjSaS2ZRrno1Pg

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fortnite edition

last one >>161788


First! Remember that from 2007?





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dancing meme frog


Lym's here



thanks nilson


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lym's were different


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sitting meme frog


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fuck what anyone else thinks, Grace Frog was kino




kino in terms of being a left field artsy thing, but in terms of narrative purpose it didn't accomplish anything



Doesn't matter to me. Whole story is crazy.


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Left: ep 2

Right: Ep 10 trailer



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>9 episodes

>not a single one above mediocre

RIP Doctor Who


TOS and Sloath what are you doing in 3 hours


What came first, the episode title "it takes you away" or the line in the script that uses that phrase?




why she repeated that?



The fact she repeated it like that makes me think (or hope) that the episode title came first and ed hime thought that bit was clever

because the alternative is that he came up with "it takes you away it takes you away it takes you away it takes you away" on his own despite it not suiting the moment at all, and was so proud of it that he named the episode after it



I'll be available but it would be much better for me if it was in 2 hours or earlier


the quotas in Countyfile is very blatant

the crew is multi coloured and has a wheelchair dude

but all the country people are white af


Two episodes in a row have not shown the tardis interior





Imagine not seeing that crap ever again


Remember how Battlefield has that one scene in the TARDIS and it looks so battered and fucked up and the lighting is dark so you can't see how wrecked it is, and then you don't see it for the rest of S26?



foreshadowing cancelation



Do you have a screencap?


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Those wall panels were the only wall panels on the set. They were so fucked up that they were almost falling to bits.



Not now sorry, maybe someone else can get it



It's kind of sad seeing it like that.



everything decays



It doesn't really need to be in any of the stories in s26 bar Battlefield. The only other story in s26 it might work in is the beginning of Survival when Ace complains about Perivale.


S26 was the purest of kinos


silver nemesis is very underrated



S24 is better

t. Pete




We'll be lucky if NuWho manages to bow out with such Grace.


silver nemesis>heaven sent



ill be able to attend


Heaven Sent it better than Hell Bent

but if I had to chose to watch one for eternity, Hell Bent is better



two 10/10s in a row

rarely is who so blessed



more like

11/10 ~ 10/10


I was drunk af the first time I watched Heaven Sent




Why does nobody ever talk about the inexplicable theme of black culture running throughout S25




how about 1hr 20m

we are waiting on a certain someone



i think the answer is pretty obvious



I remember the guy from Happiness



which is?



can do



The Jamaican guy at the coffee shop and his speech in Remembrance

The blues player in Happiness Patrol

The jazz players in Silver Nemesis

The rapping MC in Greatest Show

It's absolutely consistent



/who/ so white



It's not like Cartmel's team was much less white.



but they were always steriotypes


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Cartmel be like



black people are music people


Chelsea Peretti for 14th


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It's not a woman thing.


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They could hardly even make it look interesting for the fucking trailer



stop posting male jodie


How can season 19 have followed season 18? It just doesn't make any fucking sense. Seasons 17-19 do not belong anywhere near each other.



3 seasons 4 script editors


hunters a knucklehead


dont disturb nilso hes gay


Twice Upon a Time - 5.70m o/n

It Takes You Away - 5.07m o/n

Doctor Who is dead



Don't get too excited. Series 10's highest overnight was 4.64m


how have the AIs for this series remained the same as or worse than s10 and yet the figures remain higher



if we give it one more chance, I'm sure next week will be good!



It's people like dimmeh hate watching




We don't need frog representation. Down with PC!


this is the worst series of nuwho desu. even series 2 had girl in the fireplace and the satan two parter. even series 2. every episode this series has been trash.



if they just rehashed the worst BFs it would still be better than s11



What about rehashing BF characters? The Eleven and Nobody No-One etc



Source? I can't find the overnights for Series 1



The Eleven and Nobody No-One don't deserve to be sullied by the shite that is TV Who



Wikipedia pages for the individual episodes.


>Now the story has become a joke I mean the best you could come up with is a talking frog. Just sums up a ruined political correctness show!

what did fanboy_twd mean by this



Demons On The Punjab and It Takes You Away are both good eps of Who (It Takes You Away feels like actually well-done TV, while still having the distinct feel of S11.)



normies would think Nobody No-One was 'unrealistic' and 'unscientific' or whatever, and that The Eleven is ableist


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>Once upon a time my favourite TV show #Doctorwho had incredible storylines with scary, bold, interesting and all round awesome villains. Now the story has become a joke I mean the best you could come up with is a talking frog. Just sums up a ruined political correctness show! Sad





Thanks. That anon was exaggerating; Series 1 "only" lost 2.6 million in a week.




I agree, but those two episodes are great episodes that are still heavily flawed. Granted, most of those flaws stem from decisions Chibnall made either as a producer for the series as a whole or as the writer of the first 5 episodes, but the flaws are still present nonetheless. The Girl in the Fireplace is a flawless episode. Up until that episode, all we had seen of the Tenth Doctor was a pretty good Christmas special where he's asleep for most of the episode (Christmas Invasion), a mediocre episode that has some redeeming qualities (School Reunion), and two straight up garabge episodes (New Earth/Tooth and Claw). Yet somehow Moffat delivered the quintissential Tenth Doctor episode that managed to knock it out of the park on a story-level and on a character-level as well.



Frog aside, his comment is dead-on about everything else.


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Say. The. Words.


>the three lowest rated Series 2 episodes were Girl in the Fireplace, The Impossible Planet, and The Satan Pit


>Tumblr banning all porn

Doctor Who equivalent? And why is it the half-face man at the end of Deep Breath, 12 billions of times in Heaven Sent, every character in Extremis, Simm in TDF, and what 12 should have done at the end of TUAT?



>The Eleven is ableist

well, the trend in fiction that pschizophrenic people are evil is pretty ableist


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was it a Utopia moment, /who/?


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I know a certain /who/re who doesn't need gay seminars because he's already fully qualified


Doesn't people having names get rid of the point of Anonymous imageboards?



was that scaffold she's sitting on always there?



Is this your first day or something?



Yes. Who cares?



vagina jackie




you are not the worst doctor anymore



Harriet Jones would still be PM if it wasn't for you.




Eccleston isn't a BBC fan. He's no nilso



Semon of the Punjab is the most tedious load of wank since Silver Nemesis.



I agree. There are episodes that I like but have major problems with, but the episodes you've mentioned are in my opinion legitimately very good. However I do think this anon has a point:


The episodes do suffer from the occasional problems of other episodes, such as for instance exposition. But I feel in spite of the occasional series 11 flavoured flaw, these are the two episodes I think are very good. (I also like Rosa, The Witchfinders, and Kerblam, but my issues with those episodes are a bit more substantial)



what part was wanky in silver nemesis?



I find it to be a very wanky experience every time there's a decent shot of Ace's fat arse.


The ultimate failure of /who/ Cares is that there's no Oxford vs Cambridge style debate between Immigrant and Neo on the merits and failures of Series 11.



post it



safe space


Neo nazis v cybermen. fucking pc sjws


weekly reminder that IRIS is SHIT



Just because she drinks doesn't mean she's Rick Sanchez, anon.




Rosa and Witchfinders are both very good to me, despite their flaws. Kerblam's ending basically ruins the rest of the ep for me, though maybe I'll feel differently when I rewatch it.

(I also like Ep 1 of S11 for being a pretty good opening. And I like Ghost Monument far more than it deserves, basically for the aesthetics, and for the TARDIS team's interactions with Epzo and the obviously better Angstrom.






Forgot my flag!



Actually, an ep where the Doctor has to protect a group of terrible people from the Cyber-men might be a good test of her morals. Especially if the people hate her guts the whole way through. The more empathetic but also morally strict (though her morality isn't as strict as often said) 13 could really suit that story.



I only agree with one of things you said, and I’m not saying which one.



What does TARDISPOSTING actually think of Series 11, and of the Thirteenth Doctor?



I get what you mean about Kerblam, but I feel that it's a fairly well constructed episode, despite the ending being a little confused.


>the Doctor has to protect a group of terrible people from the Cyber-men

Honestly yeah, I'd like to see that. The Doctor didn't give a shit about the neo-nazis in silver nemesis though if I remember correctly (I haven't seen it in a while)



It's okay anon. It's already clear that Angstrom is better.


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yes, do you?


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doctor who should film at dungeness, on the south coast of England. It's like a mini-desert, and not really that far from Cardiff. A lot cheaper than Spain I would imagine



>Kerblam in the middle

Clever humor.


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This is a weird and slightly lame poster that seems to contradict the themes of Moffat's run, but its aesthetic is on point.

>Amy's hair the same tone as the flames



>Space Racist

umm no sweetie the term is actually Cosmic Racist



Adventures in Time and Spain


Is there any segment of the actually critical fan community (so not the kids who constantly squee over it on twitter, or the circle of former Who writers who are obliged to sing its praises all day) that hasn't been at least partially alienated by S11's approach to the show being so shallow?



They'll have to film in places like that in the UK once we leave the EU. I wonder if that will really effect filming. After we leave the EU, it will be more expensive of course, but in 2019, there will be a little bit of uncertainty. You wouldn't book a filming block in fuerteventura for summer 2019 when you don't even know what customs will be like after brexit. Series 12 might be very much filmed in the UK only… Or they might film in the USA, because I assume USA customs won't be effected to much by leaving the EU



everyone sold out

even extremis boy



>The Doctor didn't give a shit about the neo-nazis in silver nemesis though if I remember correctly

Thirteen's a very different Doctor from Seven, and has more or less chosen to be kinder, per 12's request. I could see her and Ryan arguing over this, with 13 grudgingly wanting to save them, and Ryan saying "Screw them. They literally want to beat up Jews, let 'em burn", with Yaz as a moderator. **Graham's gone undercover as a Neo-Nazi, because racist time periods hate Graham. "



I wish they just reused some old props from bbc and have FUCKING PLOT


i view series 11 in the same way i view doctor who adventures comic strips. i tolerate their inclusion on the tardis wikia but personally disregard them completely.


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Claws of Axos says hello



all comics are s11 tier



most skew at a slightly older target audience than doctor who adventures and series 11 though


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[blocks your path]



I can imagine with 13's rigid moral stances that she would be set in her ways of (I presume) saving people whoever they are. I'm sure she would tell the neo nazis they were wrong while saving them though. It would fit with Chibnall's era and it's characters really well though, and I'd respect that kind of moral discussion, if done well


Oh wow, that's amazing! I didn't know they had already filmed there.





what about an alien artifact that was in nazi's hands and it could save lots of people, but it was destroyed by ally forces

the doctor has to save a small nazi platoon to save the artifact



non canon


is 13 being extremely over-empathetic really an interesting character trait, or do you just want it to be



7 only really met the Neo-Nazis in Silver Nemesis 2 or 3 times, and properly spoke to them even less. While the Cybermen kill all but two, he deliberately manipulates the situation as to have DeFlores and Karl killed by the Cybermen. 7 spends more time talking to Courtney Pine and Peinforte than he does to the NeoNazis



fair enough. My memory for serials I saw as a kid is awful, unless I've rewatched again and again, like I did with certain stories



It's mad that they got someone who'd never watched/seen/written for Doctor Who to do the 25th anniversary story



>Writer Kevin Clarke, who appears twice in the serial itself playing a tourist at Windsor, discusses the development of the plot on the DVD. He points out that he had seen very little of Doctor Who and that he met the production team without any idea of what his proposed story would be about. He made up a story on the spot in front of producer John Nathan-Turner that the Doctor is literally God, though this was not realised on-screen.

>The Cybermen were added later at the request of Nathan-Turner, to tie in with the programme's silver anniversary.



I sometimes forget the 25th anniversary story isn't Remembrance of the Daleks. They go back to 1963 London for heaven's sake! It's like my memory keeps telling me Remembrance is the anniversary story even though I know it's not true






As in it was almost the anniversary story, or was it moved?



if it feels so, it is



oh fair enough. I like that attitude. Someone ask neo if Remembrance if it's a special



It would have made sense if Remembrance had been the original anniversary, but you've got to wonder that if the original airing pattern was something like Silver Nemesis / The Happiness Patrol / Remembrance of the Daleks / The Greatest Show in the Galaxy they could run the risk of having a shit series opener - an instant remedy to that would be putting the Dalek story in the first slot.



That makes a lot of sense. Do you think there are other interesting examples of stories being moved about?



Series 26 was meant to be Curse of Fenric, Ghost Light, Battlefield and Survival. I'm certain that S11 was going to be in a different order, though I'm not sure how drastic it would be.



I would definitely imagine that the Witchfinders was supposed to air in place of Demons, on the closest sunday to halloween. It would explain the applebobbing



Pretty sure this is exactly what happened: I've heard "Remembrance" was written for the anniversary spot but moved to the start of season 25 because Daleks = ratings boost. Not sure if that's actually supported by the facts, but that's what I've heard. It would partially explain that thing in "Greatest Show in the Galaxy" where Ace gets the earring she wears in "Silver Nemesis".


>Fenric was moved to third in the season because its horror themes were seen as more fitting for airing in October



My personal placing would probably be Woman Who Fell / Ghost Monument / Tsuranga / Witchfinders / Rosa / Kerblam! / Arachnids / It Takes You Away / Demons / Ranskoor av Kolos


>Ace blows up the Cybership in Silver Nemesis and her rucksack gets blown up

>Ace asks The Doctor if he's seen her rucksack in The Greatest Show in the Galaxy

That alone would suggest a move around - Greatest Show / The Happiness Patrol / Remembrance / Silver Nemesis perhaps?


Up until a few days before airing it wasn't even called Curse of Fenric. There's an extra on the DVD with Philip Schofield and he calls it The Wolves of Fenric. Even The Radio Times calls it The Wolves of Fenric. They changed the name because the Wolves element comes into play right at the end and they thought it'd confuse people.



uk did not have halloween until the mid nineties



They managed to resist irish culture for a long time, but not long enough



Would there have really been two futuristic eps, in a row before the first historical?


Feel like I'm losing my mind because I can't find a source for this anywhere but S11 originally had some weird ordering involving the setting: present / future / past repeated three times, then the finale. So far there have been 3 episodes set in each of those three time zones, so it's plausible.



that makes a lot of sense I think



Wasn't that something we were shitposting about?



I thought it was first posted on DoctorWhoTV or something like that, but I could be wrong.



Doctor Who also applauded the frog for lesbian representation so idk man



doctor who tv *


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Cat's Cradle would have been totally fucking GOAT as a story. Apparently, it was meant to be for 6/Mel and called Process but it got changed to 7/Ace



>they're going for the CG Mara


When we first saw that some of the episodes had been rearranged, that should have been a dead set give away that the characters would be written like shit as there couldn't be any development if you can just put them in any order.




i saw your original post


Night Terrors was originally going to be in the first half of Series 6 but Moffat moved it to the last half. The Doctor's Wife and The God Complex were also originally planned for Series 5 but Moffat decided to save them for Series 6


Imagine if Corbyn gets to be Prime Minister due to winning an election called by the Queen dismissing the government


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>the monarchy finally being good for something

doubt it


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well, the french have the right idea about one thing at least…




Consolidated for Witchfinders is 7.21




Her empathy contrasts her with the sometimes spiky Twelfth Doctor, while being the culmination of 12's character development. It also makes her not a female Tennant–Ten was more stuck up then Thirteen is. And her empathy also connects her with both Eight and Five, Doctors who don't always get referenced.


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That might've been me. After we got the synopsis for Arachnids and Tsuranga, and based on the initial listing that Witchfinders was gonna be episode 6, I assumed the final three episodes would follow that same pattern and shitposted about it here.

At the time, I don't think I'm alone in originally having thought that what what ended up being Kerblam was going to be a present day episode, as Lee Mack looked pretty unassuming just wearing a safety vest. I assumed that what ended up being TBORAK was going to be the future episode, and that Demons would be the past episode, as it was filmed in the final block. Of course, seeing Kerblam as episode 7 fucked that all up, but I still maintain that the order of 6, 7, and 8 were fucked around with at the very least.



the jews have taken control of the bbc.


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Now that we're basically at the end of the season, who was the best companion, and why was it Ryan?


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Fuck off, pleb. DWM comics are underrated.


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How embarrassing


How would you accurately describe 13's characterisation without calling her an airhead



I honestly forgot that there were still /tv/ threads going on


When do you reckon Eight regenerated into War in relation to the Time War? Was it during its early days, somewhere in the middle or towards the end of the War?



Relatively early.


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Finished reading the 2018 Target Novelizations today with Twice Upon a Time. Out of the bunch I'd say Christmas Invasion was by far the weakest because it doesn't really add a new dimension or depth to the story. Loved the other three though.

Now what the fuck do I read?



David Tennant is dead. Not a joke.



kek nice spot


I'm surprised that Hartnell doesn't actually have vast swathes of episodes missing like Troughton does, instead of it being whole stories it's odd parts here and there. I'm not sure which is more irritating.


>turn on The Dalek Contract

>barely three minutes in and they're talking about particles

>check writer



I'm writing a fanfic in which a sexy female Doctor, mad with grief, fucks her way across the universe, trying to forget.



Holy fuck I thought this was a meme. F





-Ð O C T O R W -H O-


I migt be a scrappy, fiesity time lord, but i like that, along with all the other parts of myself


I'm going to post this every week until someone replies in the affirmative.

Is it better yet?




>David Tennant was voted as the best Doctor in a DWM poll in fucking 2006

it's crazy how iconic he became not only in his first year, but after his first series aired and it had only 3 good episodes in it. I didn't even watch the show at the time but even as an American I was aware that "David Tennant was Doctor Who". Credit where credit is due, though. Tennant managing to shine through Series 2 and become as popular as he was is 100% on him.



Batter than what?



The covers absolutely suck. I know the illustrator put a lot of time into it but he could have just thrown a filter on top of the photos in photoshop.



I just find it odd how the entirety of Marco Polo is missing when it was the one sold to the most countries.



The hype of Doctor Who coming back was unreal but the fact that it was actually good for the first time in fucking YEARS (in the eyes of some) was insane. Doctor Who was literally fucking everywhere, it was inescapable. I rank Tennant pretty lowly on the ranking scale because of personal taste but you can't deny that he did a brilliant job.


My Time Lady pussy's itching for a shag. I just need Charlemagne's cock rn




shut the fuck up


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Looks like you tricked a lot of people.


Grace looks way too young to be Ryan's gran. I thought she was meant to be his mum at first.


I'm David Tennant, I'm dead


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How long will we have to wait until doctor who is that popular again?



Next revival


I've traveled far and voyaged long. Tonight, I want to fuck. My levee needs to break.


Rassilon, it feel so good to play with my new gally-pussy. Tonight, if I fall, will you catch me?




Time to stop posting.


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Jenna at the Big Finish studio today. Apparently recording a Clara spin-off.


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>Doctor has two hearts, can regenerate every cell in their body if they're about to die, and is 2,000 years old

i sleep


i sleep

>Doctor makes an off-hand remark about having 7 grandmothers



I'm darker and endgier that my predecessors. shg?



The Doctor's backstory? Making no sense? This is a fucking OUTRAGE


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the Woolie Rebellion joke was pure Moffkino until they ruined it by having Thirteen explain it immediately afterwards. Like holy fuck it's one thing to have her deliver expository dialogue to explain the parallel world and the anti-zone, that's totally acceptable as it's information the audience needs to understand the episode. But you don't need to have her deliver exposition for a fucking JOKE.



Yeah, there were actually quite a few lines I thought were pretty good in the episode, but I guess you can't get away with having a story unmarred by the Chib this series.

Chib takes the kino away.



>Chib takes the kino away.

trips confirm


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>live thread archive on the wiki ends at Series 10

: (



we don't care enough to make live threads on 4channelTM



Silence in the Library, Midnight, Turn Left



what the fuck? how is the website meant to stay active without the main reason people use it? where are all the artists going to go?



All 3 of these present suicide as honourable



🤷‍♂️ iunno and i doubt the owners know either





this is the canon nickname for strevens



Verity did a great job selling the show overseas which is why so much of it exists from her two seasons (only 13 out about 100 episodes are gone) It was Wiles who lost most of season 3 and he didn’t even get telesnaps made for any of his episodes because he was a cheap bastard. Lloyd at least had the sense to make sure the BBC kept the mastertapes for the Tenth Planet but Blue Peter lost episode 4.


how come Andrew Ellard hasn't done a tweet thread about It Takes You Away yet


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>Delighted to be saying… The Doctor is coming January 11th! #DoctorWho Series 11 soundtrack - will be unleashing 41 fantastic pieces of @segunakinola's work upon us!



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>series 11 soundtrack coming out before series 10's actually happened




>41 tracks

series 9 had 63



why the fuck are the tracks grouped by episode but the episodes are in a random order? this is how the tracklist is grouped:

>1. The Woman Who Fell To Earth

>2. The Ghost Monument

>3. Arachnids in the UK

>4. The Tsuranga Conundrum

>5. Kerblam!

>6. The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos

>7. Rosa

>8. Demons of the Punjab

>9. The Witchfinders

>10. It Takes You Away



To be fair S9 had an extra disc for Husbands of River Song. It also had Heaven Sent which received a special-level amount of tracks


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what the fuck



>all those 7-10 minute tracks

Would be kino if not for the fact it's just gonna be aimless noodling



>Husbands of River Song gets its own disc

>Witch's Familiar and Hell Bent (two of the best episodes of S9 music-wise) nearly completely snubbed

at least we got 5 minutes of ambient sounds for Sleep No More


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It's the original airing order. What a cursed fucking post. I guess that means Ranskoor Av Kolos is just another episode then



Also seems like there's a single from it coming out in a week





>It's the original airing order.

Don't jump to conclusions, it's more likely Ranskoor just has shittier music so Segun tucked it away in the middle for the sake of the album's flow.






oh god could you imagine if this was actually true


>ratings start to fall in Series 7 Part 2 (2013) while Moffat is now considered a divisive showrunner due to shitty arcs and Clara

>the trend of falling ratings continues into Series 8

>the BBC and/or Moffat scapegoats Capaldi's Doctor as the reason for the decline (even though the trend started in the Smith era) because he's "old" and edgy

>In Series 9 the BBC and/or Moffat throw out much of 12's edginess and replace it with zaniness in the Tennant and Smith mold 'cause they had good ratings

>the ratings tank even more

>Moffat realises he went too far and tones down the more cringe-worthy characteristics that 12 has now but the ratings continue to fall in Series 10

>Moffat is leaving and the BBC continues to scapegoat Capaldi, politely offer him a mid-series regeneraion in Series 11 not expecting him to take it

>Capaldi take the hint and leaves, reduced to tears in his announcement interview

>Chibnall is the new showrunner as he's literally the only person who could be persuaded to take on the show after 8 solid years of Moffucking

>Series 11 is fucking dreadful in almost every way and week after week gets lower and lower ratings in the most spectacular downward trend in the show's history

>Gosh. It's almost like Capaldi wasn't actually the issue after all and it really was/is the writing (and to a lesser extent identity politics) that fans and the casual audience took issue with LIKE THEY'D BEEN TELLING THE BBC FOR FUCKING YEARS.

What did the BBC mean by this?



That would actually explain why ryan and graham's granddad arc was resolved in itya



nah soundtrack track sequencing is usually bullshit like that. We got lucky with Series 5-9 being as long as they were and mostly in the right order, but Series 1/2, 3, and 4 were basically just like Marigold hit shuffle on his iPod and bookended the albums with the opening and closing credits.





Remember when Hoodie predicted that the Series 11 soundtrack would come out first and we laughed at him for it?



I wasn't being serious, anon


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>identity politics

meme phrase



The ratings don't actually take a sharp dropoff until S9. Series 8 is what drove people away, the doctor was oogleh, the companion was "unlikeable" and the story was too confrontational. This happened to coincide with the BBC sacking their external promotion firm and trying to promote S9/10 internally (with fuck all money obviously).

As a general rule if your explanation for the decline of the show conveniently assumes the British public shares your specific opinion on the episodes, it's wrong



I'm sure you know what kind of thing I mean. What phrase would you prefer?


I unironically might actually listen to the S11 ost sometimes, I like ambient shit



It'd be good if the episodes were distinct from one another but they're not. I shouldn't be able to press shuffle and think that they all come from the same damn episode.

>tfw Chibs didn't hire different people to score episodes



Are you suggesting that the Classic Series doesn't contain lessons on the value of kindness?



Series 8 exacerbated an existing decline. Most of the stories were pretty bad and, like you said, it had Clara. People like dark "confrontational" stories if they're GOOD (see The Dark Knight and The Empire Strikes Back).


Reminder that an entire series' worth of music for the show is going to languish in the archive for an indefinite period of time, possibly forever, or until the show is old enough that someone thinks to put it out as a collector's item.


Is it time to send an email about the S10 soundtrack again and see what happens?



Yes. I would love it if they all understood how terrible it looks for them to have skipped S10.



You think the British public rate Moffat or Chibnall as showrunners and likes Political Correctness?



nah I think the gap-year and the only episode in 2016 being Doctor Mysterio did more to hurt the ratings than Capaldi or Series 8/9. I didn't even realize Series 10 had started when it first aired. I caught up after a few weeks but it was just like "wait what", they did such a shitty job of promoting it.


there's definitely way more demand for Series 10/TUAT's soundtrack than Series 11's, no? or at least equal demand



But it was worth it for all those National Moments.


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Are you…upset that the writer of The Lie of the Land isn't going to come back?


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>Moff gone

>Gatiss gone

>Mathieson gone

>Talalay gone

>Whithouse gone

>Harness gone

>Dollard gone

>Marigold gone



no but I'm upset the writer of Vampires of Venice, Under the Lake, Before the Flood, and The God Complex isn't



The writer of The God Complex has been absent since The God Complex.



Based Whithouse knows that Doctor Who is Dead.



>Talalay gone

fuck.. she's not actually coming back, is she? she was just being polite. she's free to do 7 episodes across moff's last three series and then suddenly she's too busy.



Just fucking end it already.


Ingiga, TOS, Morph, Sloath, I'm so fucking sorry, I was looking forward to it to so much but I literally just fell asleep. I'm so, so sorry. Morph can you only do same time Thursday or is there any possibility of earlier?



Give it at least until S12 to make sure it's not a fluke. You can't blame her for taking other projects in advance when there was no guarantee Chib would want her back to start with.


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it has it's qualities (mainly just this scene but still, it's a great fucking scene)



sleep neo more


Spread the misery this Christmas. Email or tweet Silva Screen politely asking if they know anything about the likelihood of Series 10's soundtrack getting released, even though we all know exactly why it isn't going to come out for at least 2 more years if ever


Let's contact Silva Screen. I've done my part.



Remember to be polite with Silva Screen because it isn't their fault, they're not the ones blocking the release, as with last time. They've done nothing wrong and don't deserve any grief.



so you're saying we should harass them?



I think demonstrating interest by asking them about the S10 release is a good idea, but swearing at them and treating them like the cause of its non-release is a bad idea.


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>asking me to rate the flesh moths as a character




Could've told me that before I released those disease ridden rats into their office.



A scene that has nothing to do with the rest of the story and is only there to pad out the runtime



>The Master suddenly develops a conscience and cries like a bitch for no reason

>great scene






i wish i had these surveys. i'd keep everyone on low marks except for ribbons. i want more kevin eldon in things and less of everything else in series 11.



implying moffat didn't write that moment



>We might also note that Press Gang began in the same year that original-flavour Doctor Who ended, raising the question of what might have happened if John Nathan-Turner had managed to hold on for just a few more years, and Moffat had ended up writing for the pre-CGI, pre-mini-movie version. "Blink" on old-fashioned video-stock would, after all, look like the natural follow-up to "Survival".

i love this idea. imagine if it did happen. i read the dwm article with the idea for the series to continue with richard griffiths and julia sawalha, but i'd not imagined that steven moffat would have probably written for it. i have imagined blink as a season 26 production though.



I just mark literally everything as 1 every week.



ah i'm glad you get sent them.

i wonder how these surveys might have affected the moffat era.


YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

new finale promo



You should give some higher scores so they take your response more seriously



You can sign up, it took a couple of months for them to get back to me though so I doubt you'd get on in time to review S11.



That looks rough as fuck. They put in like 5 montages of her growing up through her life, but literally nothing in the entire trailer that suggests she is an interesting or entertaining character.



you probably get discarded as an outlier



The character doesn't matter. They're setting up Skrulls for the Secret Invasion movie after Avengers 4



What was the joke at the end meant to be? he's fawning over a kitty and then she says the cat's name and gestures at him to stay focused. what's the punchline? am I missing something? Is acting cute to a cat meant to be funny on its own?



That's nice…?




people forget how much Thor sucked as a character until Taika found him passed out in a ditch, brought him home, and nursed him back to health.


he sucks

>The Avengers

still sucks

>Thor 2

he sucks so fucking much

>Age of Ultron

that movie has so much going on that I can't even remember anything about Thor in it


fucking BASED

>Infinity War

still fucking BASED even though the Russos are hacks who undo his entire character arc in Ragnarok



Is it just me or are all of her line deliveries notably flat and emotionless compared to every other character?



I hated Ragnarok (less than many other Marvel films, granted) and thought Hemsworth's performance was quite good in Infinity War


Marvel movies didn't truly "work" until guardians of the galaxy, and every movie since has tried to replicate that tone and formula



All of the lines that indicate actual character traits are spoken by the other characters.



>implying Marvel didn't nail it on the first try with Iron Man

most of the movies after that were pretty shitty and forumulaic. Even the ones like Guardians of the Galaxy borrow heavily from Star Wars, so it's just going from one formula to another. The Avengers is incredible on a script level, the directing is appalling and I think if Marvel didn't piss Favreau off by fucking with the production of IM2 he'd have directed The Avengers beautifully. I also think Iron Man 3 is better than all the MCU movies bar IM1 and The Avengers and that the people who hate it only hate it because it was the first (and last) comic book movie in a long time to do something beyond re-enacting the comics in live action, and genuinely cares about the character arcs and themes in it.

Winter Soldier is also massively overrated and anyone who unironically calls a movie where the third act consisists of three flying aircraft carriers crashing into each other above DC while two (definitely not gay) men punch each other and cry a "political thriller" is an actual brainlet



>Winter Soldier is also massively overrated





I was joking to be clear lol, I get the emails but cbf filling them out every week. I used to o them sometimes for earlier series.


why did Series 7A air in Fall 2011 instead of airing in the Spring like Series 5/6? Also can someone hit me with the basic gestalt on the behind the scenes/production drama from Series 7? I'm curious as to why it turned out the way it did since Moffat obviously didn't lose the plot as Series 8/9/10 were all mostly smooth, there has to have been some reason why Series 7A/7B turned out the way it did. Series 5 is pretty much perfect and Series 6 is IMO given a hard time by the fans for not sticking the landing, but only 2 episodes (LKH and Wedding) are at fault for that. The other episodes are pretty great (aside from Black Spot).


…And You Will Obey Me

Vampire of the Mind

The Two Masters



not really production drama but bringing Amy and Rory back for all of Series 7A was the worst creative decision Moffat made in his tenure. It fucked up Series 7B pacing wise, it fucked up Clara by only giving her 8 episodes, and it fucked up Series 7A by being unecessary and stupid. Series 7 should've been 1 full series with Clara as the companion the entire time.


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It's a brilliant 40 minute story by the Master, about the Master. What are you waiting for?



maybe the 2011 christmas special could have been an angel episode where amy and rory would leave



I'm abstaining from kino so i can enjoy series 11 more


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How hype are you guys for The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos?

>youtube ""personalities"" on Twitter are saying its the pillar of hope we need right now in these VNA level dark times

>eviscerated ratings

>BOOOOOAAAAAR like creatures

>Chibs gives the stream the "nap of their lives"

>"The Doctor's friends are going to be tested…we're going to see how far they've come, how much they've learned and whether they're going to make mistakes at a crucial moment."

> "The inner steel and toughness of Jodie's Doctor is on display a bit more… Whoever you are, don't mess with her."

>terrible directing

>/who/ says the ending scene during the credits when the episode is over is their favorite scene in the Series

>Chibnall said in DWM that "You're going to get taken to an alien world. You're going to meet some new people" implying we're going to meet some new people and get taken to an alien world

>Moff insult on Pete McTighe's Twitter

It's going to be GOATER than GOAT.



>The next time Moffat approached me, I turned around, reared up to my full height, advanced on him like a wall of hairy man-flesh, and - for the first and only time - took the "offensive" role in the conversation, questioning his own life and career as if such things were obviously my business. He started to shrink back, and after a couple of minutes, I realised that he was actually deferring to me. And I remember thinking: dear God, is it really this simple?

who believes lawrence here



>You're going to get taken to an alien world. You're going to meet some new people

god, just when id managed to forget that



>When Paul Cornell took me to task for the social faux-pas of having opinions, he seemed appalled that I was incapable of respecting the natural hierarchy, and asked whether there was anybody I 'bent the knee' to.

gets me every time. and i've read this blog post three times, because i love it.


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Someone put the edited lightsaber version of 3 vs Master sword fight in their Master tribute.



well, you have to link it now, don't you?


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Does he even give a fuck about promoting this shit series? Like legitimately does this gig even mean anything to him? Even when Moff was completely drained during the 50th year he was still tirelessly promoting the SHIT out of the show with multiple interviews and genuinely making everything sound like the most kino shit ever. He never stopped being like that, even when series 10 was practically an extra obligation to help ease Chibnall into the role and prevent more gap years. He still sold the fuck out of it with all his heart. What the FUCK is wrong with Chibnall?



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i absolutely love reading moffat's old dwm production notes. he could release them as a book. moffat felt so much more present during his era.



>says Chris, smiling.

even he can't take his words seriously



He expected the fans to tell everyone to watch it. His spoiler policy is probably an excuse to not promote.



it's the opposite - he's so serious about it that he smiles in excitement just from mentioning those things


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That's all this year is


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Christ this is a dire time for the show. I can't believe we have god knows how many more years of this shit. Not even my warm memories of the Capaldi era can give me strength anymore. I unironically need a pillar of fucking hope


Better written


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Pillar of hope

Better written

Very cliched



they already had the perfect send-off with The God Complex. Their appearences in Closing Time, Wedding of River Song, and TDTW&TW (literally the only thing I can remember about that episode) are fine as epilogues. There's no reason to bring them back after that. Ending Amy's arc with her deciding to leave the Doctor and spend the rest of her life with Rory on her own accord is perfect. All the timey wimey bullshit with them getting Angel'd back to 1930s New York where for some reason the Doctor can never go and visit them just feels like Moffat wanted to kill them off but couldn't bring himself to actually killing them off.


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Whenever I feel sad about the world, all I have to do is remember Chibnall is only on his first year and I lurch even further into a deepening depression that threatens to wreak havoc on my life and loved ones as an expanding black hole of sheer despair consumes my mind and spirit.



the best part of this era so far is how it's strengthened my undying love for rtd and moffat. it's just sad that for the first time in 13 years i'm completely disinterested in new doctor who.



fuck I'd kill for a Moffat equivalent of The Writer's Tale. Even if it was just mostly his old DWM interviews and columns, it'd be nice to have them all together instead of having to find specific DWM issues online which is near-impossible now. speaking of which is there a new DWM archive mega? I had a vk link saved but that only worked for a few issues from 2015-2016 and I think they all got DMCA'd recently



>In May 2008, Miles temporarily posted online a spec script for the TV series entitled "Book of the World", in a self described attempt to provide a legitimate basis for his polarising criticisms of the production team behind the revived series.

okay someone must have a copy of this




there's an archive here, the guy's been typing them up for ages. absolute hero.





(ah sorry should have mentioned it's a moffat column archive, not a dwm one)

a moff writer's tale would be so exciting. i don't know how candid he could be since he still works for the bbc, but anything he writes would be incredibly interesting. has he mentioned anything about the idea before?


A Rather Egotistical Young Lady


Are ya winning, son?


neo did you mention something once about preferring the writer's tale to the updated edition with the 2009 specials?


The Ashildr two-parter is one of the most underrated stories of NewWho and I think volumes could be written on why Mathieson fans tend to treat Girl as the odd one out.



lmao that sounds absolutely ridiculous so quite possibly. The updated version has less pictures which is a genuine loss but makes up for it with loads more coverage.



I don’t like Maisie



i'll read both then, i like pictures and words equally



lenny the lion

Girl is kino though



Mathieson himself treats Girl as the odd one out.



>Series 6 Episode 1


the fuck



she's fine as Ashildir but every appearance after Girl Who Died she's fucking awful. I still haven't finished Woman Who Lived and I only like Face the Raven and Hell Bent as much as I do in spite of her being in them



I don't understand why Girl is so looked down on, it's the most fun episode of the series



I didn't even realize there was a first version without the 2009 specials, they take up such a large chunk of the book that it's weird to think of it without them



Just to be clear you're aware the first ~80% of the updated version is 100% the same as the original version, just reprinted.


I wonder why.


Maisie Williams is a better actor than nearly every NewWho companion. By far.


here's a link to all the extras from the Series 12 Collection blu-ray:



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This is the soldier she married?



I suspect it's a combination of how, sigh, "frock" it is and how front-and-centre a teenage girl is to it. It really is a fantastic episode and very attuned to the ideas series 9 plays with. I prefer Woman for most of its runtime but Woman's last act is wonky whereas Girl absolutely nails its last act.


I remember when everyone said the hydra cgi in the series 9 trailer was so bad even though it's supposed to be a fake monster


Pairs of S9 episodes ranked

Heaven Sent, Hell Bent

The Magician's Apprentice | The Witch's Familiar

The Girl Who Died | The Woman Who Lived

Sleep No More | Face the Raven

The Zygon Invasion | The Zygon Inversion

Under the Lake | Before the Flood


Mathieson really does have a completely insane track record when you look at his eps. How the fuck would you not rehire this guy.



Oxygen was too communist for Chibnall Who


Why the fuck didn't Chibnall get Tregenna back, he knew she was kino from Torchwood and she'd done Doctor Who as well.



Based and neopilled. I remember being so fucking confused coming to /who/ after I watched Woman Who Lived and absolutely adored the whole thing only to find most people here seemed to deem it complete trash. I felt like Immigrant on series 11 when I spent time trying to defend it here


Even though Mathieson is so good I think it is a good idea for Chibnall to separate himself from the previous era and try to form his own identity with the show. If only that identity was any good



>Under the Lake | Before the Flood

Explain why you dislike it the most, to someone that enjoys this far more than Girl/Woman.


What's your Mathy ranking? I legit have no idea how to rank them apart from putting Oxygen last (and that's still a great ep, I just think the other three are better).



Don't worry, we've got new heavy hitters like Ed Hime and based Pete. Thank God for recruitment years!


Chibnall seems actually pretty enthusiastic and aware of how to ensure some kind of level of quality on the Torchwood DVD commentaries. Has he actually just taken the Doctor Who showrunner job out of obligation?



Mummy > Girl > Flatline > Oxygen



Flatline, Mummy, Girl, Oxygen

I thought Oxygen was too basic. Once you get told the basic premise of capitalism in space it's on the rails from there exactly what you would expect



thanks, was worried they might have added bits in between the original chapters, which would have scuppered my plan of reading the writer's tale so i can experience the illustrated version and then reading the rest of the final chapter



Bill getting exposed to space and capaldi going blind was nice but it is overall the most textbook episode


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Love how Moff realized his talent immediately and gave him another episode to write after he wrote Flatline



>Lake/Flood last

how the fuck


Did Moffat just steal Mathieson's doctor companion relationship reversal from Flatline and claim it as his own in series 9?



I always forget that Girl Who Died is both a Mathieson episode as well as a Moffat one. It doesn't feel like either of them.



Woman felt like what I assume was exactly what Moff/Minchin were after; a Torchwood take, and a woman's take, on the themes of Series 9. Hiring Tregenna to basically do "the life of Me" ep is so brilliant and intuitive that it's easy to pass up how good of an idea it was. Of COURSE you would hire the ~best regular writer of Torchwood to write a character study of an immortal. And then the episode itself is so delightfully weird in how non Doctor Who it is, you can really feel this isn't a DW writer writing it, the pacing is so different and it's such a marked two-hander. Really interesting ep and a great counterpart to GIrl. Woman, and to a much greater extent Smile, have their problems but extremely character-focused two-handers are not a common thing in DW and it's awesome we got two in Capaldi's era. Woman is also one of those episodes that really gets your imagination working, the whole archive and memory concept was so interesting. Ashildr worked both as a recongifuration and comment on the Jack-esque DW archetype and as a strong character in her own right. Great stuff.


I'm actually a relative Lakeflood defender in the grand scheme of things in that I do actually think there is some worthwhile stuff in it but most of that I think comes down to very careful placement and configuration of it within S9 itself, which comes down largely to Moff. It's still a Whithouse story with a crowded, overcomplicated story that wastes its good ideas (blind girl with Daredevil cam, Soviet village with uh everything, time travel with using it just to mope over a fridging) and dwells on its bad ones (le Doctor is dead, ghosts oh wait they're not ghosts). It was REALISED very well which gives it a lot of points (great monster design, distinctive and unique colour palette, fantastic music, etc.) but actually track the course of the script and it's the same Whithouse cliche parade as usual, to the point where the man rebuking the Doctor about ACTUALLY YOU'RE A BAD GUY feels more like a parody of Whithouse than the man's actual writing.


I honestly kinda suspect this. He just does not seem that into it.


The first half of Oxygen is just a little too on the rails for Mathy I think, it works and has clever dialogue but it's not as inventive or wild as the first half of all his other episodes.


And Flatline was so on point it basically presaged the entire next series.


It does literally nothing new in a series full of invention.


The seed was present as far back as Jenna's literal cast tryout, where Moff basically commented how exciting it was to have a companion act as a Doctor and put him on the back foot with equal electricity and command in the performance, and it does crop up in times in S7B and certainly in S8 pre Flatline, but Mathy definitely did articulate it most directly first and I wouldn't be surprised that this contributed to Moff emphasising it in the finale perhaps even more than originally planned. Although perhaps Moff brought it out in Mathy's script more than it originally was there too.


What are other "sequel" series, a la S8 and S9? S25 and S26 for sure.



S1 and S2



It reminded me of things I know. It's the best episode.



DW series 1 and Torchwood series 1


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Really is curious to think about just how much of an impact Moff has on other writer's scripts. Like even without co-writing credits I'm sure there are countless suggestions and additions he's made to episodes that we will never know about. Loved Mathieson's blog posts when he talks about editing the Flatline script around Moff and all the little additions he made. Vice versa though, it's neat to think about how other writers may have influenced Moff's own story planning, like possibly with Mathieson's take for Flatline. Funny how Chibnall's hyped up and now ambiguous writer's room seems to lack any sense of cohesion or reciprocal story influences


yfw the writers room is literally just a whatsapp group where they spitball name ideas



Under the Lake/Before the Flood are pretty standard Who, except what elevates it for me is the cast of likeable side characters. Seriously, it's kind of impressive how almost every single one of them have their own little moments that elevates them above a typical Who supporting cast. Compare Tsuranga Conundrum with UtL/BtF and it's like night and fucking day. I get that Tsuranag isn't a two-parter but still, it's a pretty damning comparison for me in terms of what can be done with side characters.



You could really see, in Capaldi's era, Moff making an effort to really get other (new!) writers as an important part of the breaking process. I can't stress enough how monumental it is that Sarah Dollard's FIRST episode was a non-co-credit companion death. That NEVER would have happened under RTD, or even Matt Moffat. Squeezing that Matt era out really was the best possible thing for Moff…after he'd expended his initial run of Doctor Who he had to turn to stranger, more collaborative ways of making the show.


I have trouble praising the side characters because it frustrates me so much how they're shoved into the Whithouse formula, the Doctor loving girl fridged to motivate the quieter one to do the Whithouse speech, the deaf one and the dorky one getting together, etc. But yes they're certainly distinct in a way we don't get in S11. I'd even give Time Heist that.


>Ah, all the things I've never said. I could write a book, full of words I never wrote. I'm used to a foot in my mouth, but on the whole I'd prefer it was my own. The other morning I woke up to several online newspaper editions announcing I'd called all the Doctors ugly. That one set me blinking. As you know, I am an icon of male beauty (dear Man In New York, we Brits call that a joke), but that seemed a bit off. A quick investigation - it turned out me declaring that the Doctors were all "not conventionally attractive" (my own ripped physique allows me such imperious judgements) had been lightly processed into the kind of clickbait that means you have to email your friends.

>Good morning Doctors.

>A cursory glance online, and I seem to have called you all ugly. I didn't really, honest. I called you "not conventionally attractive." Sorry.

>Tomorrow I will trash your dress sense and your hair. I expect.

>The replies, in ascending order of Doctor:

>Six: [redacted] you, Steven.

>Ten: I still have some of my own teeth, so if that's not conventionally attractive I don't know what is.

>Eleven: You've never liked my chin. This proves it finally. Once and for all.

>Twelve: I am curled up in a foetal ball under my covers.



>You could really see, in Capaldi's era, Moff making an effort to really get other (new!) writers as an important part of the breaking process

Are you saying that one could call Capaldi's first series a recruitment year.


Someone post the DWM page with Moff joking about talking to his younger self



There's a post on Mathieson's blog where he credits Moffat as being the one who pitched the Doctor being stuck inside the TARDIS and Clara carrying it around with her the entire episode:




S5 and S6? really reinforces the "neither here nor there" aspect of Series 7. It doesn't quite fit as part of a trilogy with Series 5 and 6, and it doesn't quite fit with Series 8 or 9 either.



Mathy/Dullard/Harkness were the best recruits one could possibly make.


Definitely more connected than most series but yeah I wouldn't quite call it a "sequel series". I'm trying to think of EU examples too…I guess Dark Eyes to the EDAudios but I don't really see that beyond the first volume.


Alex Kingston is a…weird actor.


Like she's undeniably really strong in certain moments and pitch perfect for the personality Moff is writing but jeez some of her line readings are like…I guess McCoy-esque in that I can't exactly call them BAD in how distinctive they are, but they're very…performed.


I listened to the first story in the River Song Volume 4 (tom baker) boxset on Sunday and it is genuinely one of the worst audios I have ever heard. Matt Fitton is so fucking bad it is unbelievable, and it's easily the worst performance Kingston has given, probably in anything ever.

>there's another Fitton story in the set



>I think Liz Sladen/Sara Jane was the one that really started off the idea of smart strong independent female companions in Who. This is as opposed to bits of fluff whose job it is to get explanations out of the doctor. Many good strong female companions followed her but I think she was the first.

What in the absolute FUCK



but i never hear about any of the earlier ones so they must have been nothing more than question askers!



Has he ever done a story good enough to justify how many stories he writes?



Literally never. For all the shit I give Dorney, at least he HAS actually written some stuff that's at least very good.






she literally says within five seconds that it's her brother







River is great in the library two-parter and she works wonderfully in Series 5 as well as the opening two-parter in Series 6. After that it gets kinda weird. Her chemistry with Smith works in Series 5 because they just kinda flirt once or twice but it's played as a comedic Mrs. Robinson type situation. There's no real depth or romance there. In Series 6 Moffat tries to go all in on that aspect and the only time it *somewhat* works is from how Smith plays the kiss at the end of Day of the Moon. River's portrayal in Let's Kill Hitler is… something (but at least it's deliberately out of character so I can't really fault Kingston). Wedding doesn't work at all on almost every level except for Marigold's score. The only reason why I remember River is in Angels Take Manhattan is because of the scene after Amy and Rory "die" when Eleven is like "oh shit River that was your daughter, damn" only because I had that same "oh shit River is Amy's daughter, I forgot" moment while watching it. River being in Name of the Doctor makes aboslutely no sense in-universe and on a storytelling-level. I guess Moffat wanted to retire the character? even though there's no loose end tied up by that episode? either way he figures it out and knocks it out of the park in Husbands of River Song.



lads Neo's short circuited again, someone go put him in rice




numbers are kinda similar


What I'd give to see Destruction of Time. Especially Sarah's death.


Do you think future generations of writers will refer back to River the way current ones constantly do to the Brigadier?



More close to how new who onlys refer to susan


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>Do you think future generations of writers will refer back to River the way current ones constantly do to the Brigadier?



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nah. It is a shame we never got a good recurring character through both the RTD-era and the Moffat-era. There's River, but she's essentially a Moffat character who RTD let him introduce in Series 4 since Moffat was about to take over as showrunner anyway.

Jack is an obvious contender, he was created by RTD but was introduced by Moffat. I know Moffat said he wanted him to appear in A Good Man Goes to War but Jack showing up for 5 minutes and do pretty much nothing but look threatening would've been such a waste that I don't even mind him not being in it. Aside from Jack, though, aren't Mickey and Martha still fucking about on Earth protecting it from aliens? They could've come back on present-day set episodes, right? There weren't that many of those in Smith's run but Capaldi had Dark Water/Death in Heaven and the Zygon two-parter where those two wouldn't have felt out of place. Maybe not the first one since it's already kinda busy as is but I think they would've worked well had they been in the Zygon two-parter.



Canton should've been this




Uhh in the sense Canton should have been an era spanning character, obviously he wasn't from RTD era, clearly I misspoke…



>Martha and Mickey

Moff had a strict "no blacks allowed" policy for Series 5-9. Danny Pink doesn't count since he's the lightest skinned black guy Moffat could find and also that character is absolutely BTFO every time he appears in that series. So much so that he literally dies off-screen in the most mundane way possible.




is introduced and immediately regenerated into a white woman within 15 minutes


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>how should we promote this new series?

>well jodie is a woman, and she's the 13th doctor…

>I know, let's have 13 women dress up as jodie's doctor!

>we're so clever!



Those wigs are far too dark at the top.



I'd like a certain "dark" /who/re to be on "top" if you know what I mean


god everytime I rewatch The Eleventh Hour I fall in love with it all over again. It's always been a top 5 episode for me but honestly it might be number 1 now.



fetishising race is racist


how many capaldi stories are there that use time travel as part of the plot rather than just the means of arriving at the story?




Time Heist

Under the Lake | Before the Flood

Heaven Sent

Hell Bent

The Husbands of River Song

The Return of Doctor Mysterio

The Pilot

World Enough and Time | The Doctor Falls


Series 11 soundtrack news is laughable but I'm happy about a clean extended version of the Demons credits music



How woudl you like someone laughing at YOU


>I met rosa parks!

>I sat silently on the bus when she was kicked off!


if grace was created by the solitract based on graham’s memories, why didn’t it replicate the part where grace would have wanted to save ryan? graham knew that about grace since that’s how he knew she was fake, why didn’t the solitract pick up that part when extracting his memories of her?



Is that a question or an offer.



Because the episode's shit.



Because it wasn’t Grace, and it would hinder the Solitract’s plan if they went back for Ryan. All it wanted was to keep Graham., and was afraid of losing him if they went back.



Because the writing was bad, in case the uninterrupted six minutes of exposition giving the episode a plot over halfway through didn't alert you.


It still could've created a better, less OOC excuse.


I'm threatening you.



it made the conscious decision to omit that part because if she was keen to go back and see ryan as she should be it would have ruined everything.



don threaden meh



Weep more meepy



hes smart ill give him that, he knows


Here’s my impression of the only good, above-mediocre episode of Series 11

>”Hello my name’s It Takes You Away”






Very good by s11 standard, have been extremely forgettable if it aired in an actually good Series.



*would have



the same applies to itya, not even the frog saves it


Here’s my impression of the worst Series 11 episode

>”Durr my name’s Rosa. Poo poo pee pee”


Chibnall has made me hate Doctor Who. Not even Davison or Davies managed that.



A toast in soy milk to you!



beyond based

that video was pure meme magic


Here's my impression of the actual worst series 11 episode

>hurr the talking floating rags are evil, fire one foot above you doesn't hurt at all, trust no one unless it's to split a prize



Nilso likes that one.


Did the Torchwood stream end up happening yesterday? I couldn't make it after the delay.



No I fucking fell asleep =( Morph can do Thursday…

t. Sloath?



Thursday is great and correct



proof that it's the worst episode


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7/12 multidoc ep


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If you're a Classic Who fan you're not a real Doctor Who fan.


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If you're a Doctor Who fan, you're not a real Doctor Who fan.


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I remember when I used to get offended by anons saying I didn't like Doctor Who LOL



The truth can be uncomfortable to hear.



It wasn't true then, but nothing could be truer now.


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Solitract's copies feel and behave like original people unless Solitract itself starts manifesting itself through them. Solitract tried too hard with Grace and changed her so she becomes more manipulative. Explanation of how this all works was pretty unclear though.


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>It's a recruitment year, that's all this year is!


i think its about time…. for better stories hahah am i right


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Is he so used to Big Finish he's started narrating his real life actions?



Reddit's two favourite doctors



I wouldn't want to be associated with doctor who fans anyway


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That's just the implant Briggs has put in his brain, don't worry about it.


When are we getting our slice of life audio boxset about the man who makes audio boxsets?


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wow he's wearing tennant's hat


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ok i got it out of my system


8 really is the best doctor



Wow, this time it's not even me saying it!


do we know for sure if we're getting a gap year or a half series?


Steven Moffat.





Hi Steven,





What hour do you call this?



I've got a gun, you've got a time machine, what the hell. Let's kill Lincoln.


RTDchads unite


>30 minutes

>no replies

TOS im crying


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Nilsos future unboxing


Years and Years > Dracula > Broadchurch 2: The Return


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is it time for christmas spirit yet



The episode can’t be as bad as you say



No Christmas this year




Don’t blame me. Chibnalls the one what did it



We'll have our own /who/ Christmas. With specials and cocaine.


neo, did you know that a new season of adam ruins everything started a few weeks ago?


On Christmas Day the stream should just have a locked queue of all 13 Christmas Specials on a loop.


New Years day will have The End of Time part 2 on a loop


New Years Day

Nilso will be gay


I don’t think there should have been a female Doctor

I’ll preface this by saying the majority of my current fandoms focus heavily on female characters; MLP and Tangled/Tangled:The Series being my favourite TV Series at the moment. In fact I think a large part of what makes these series endearing and makes up their own unique charm is that they focus on female characters; I am male and think it’s actually quite refreshing to see something well written that’s from a different perspective than my usual one. I think It would be a huge mistake to change this, or to say that the gender of the characters is totally irrelevant.

But I equally apply this to Doctor Who. Just as the charm of the previous series is there because they’re told mainly from female perspectives, Dr Who has its own unique charm that came from having a male main character. The female author AL Kennedy put this better than I could : “As a heterosexual woman I have no interest in a female Doctor. He’s kind of got a guy vibe, the Doctor. A hopeless, undomestic, dozy, dreamy guy type of eccentricity. It’s not a girl type of eccentricity.”

If Tangled/MLP announced that they had decided they should focus on male characters for ‘representation’ and relegated female characters to side roles, there would be complaints about this, and there would be many people who would even stop watching. I don’t see anything wrong with that, in fact I can empathise strongly. So even if you disagree with me on the female doctor, as this is ultimately an opinion, I hope you can at least see where this criticism is coming from.


It's bad because it's a frog. It's good because it's a frog.



it's good because twitter hates it



can someone find the "it's a fucking frog" tweet



>not listening to /who/ cares on 2x speed



>parody opens with them labouring over introducing themselves

so accurate


i turned myself into a pickle, immigrant!





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legendary moments of /who/


I would ask for the DWE of tumblr's recent announcement but we already know the answer is chibnall becoming showrunner



The answer is the main theme of Capaldi's era. Suicide.


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watch it chibnall


YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

what would jodie say if asked the same question?


vinay should write his own indofuturist space fantasy series and leave Doctor Shit behind



something about hope, unity and inclusion



Are you still denying yourself Petekino?


doctor who more like shitter who



She literally has not seen Doctor Who, as usual she'd have nothing to say.


>Neo is gatekeeping the lead of the show



It's hilarious that it's a frog



>People always ask me what it is about the show that appeals so broadly. The answer I would like to give, and which I'm discouraged from giving because it is not useful in the promotion of a brand, is that it's about death. And it has a very, very powerful death motif in it, which is that the central character dies. And I think that is one of its most potent mysteries. Because somewhere in that, people see that that's what happens in life. You have loved ones, and then…they go, but you must carry on.

Everything about this video clip is so fucking blessed. The fact that being on a TV channel in another country, and also Capaldi being at the end of his tenure anyway, allowed an opportunity for him to go off-message. The fact he's dressed so casually. The fact he classily calls out the corporate waffle around Doctor Who while making a great point about the show itself. The way it's shot. The fact he is such a compelling and intelligent speaker. We really do not deserve this.


>what about the show appeals so broadly? that's easy! it's because it's a show about hope! we are living in dark times right now, and the show exists as a beacon of hope and unity and inclusion that people can look up to!


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what the fuck is left if they resolved this arc in episode 9?






the timeless child

the sister of the guy from ep 1



An episode about Yaz using TARDIS travel to get ahead in her policing job

Wait, that's actually a good idea for an episode



The companions are going to run around and be very heroic in episode 10, that's their character arc. That's it.



The chance of Graham's cancer coming back


was song for ten only used that once?



so they go to the hospitals in the year 5 billion and fix it



I wonder if Yaz asked for a leave of absence



which one? there's two songs with that name, one is the vocal song from christmas invasion


13x01 Death Motif



Yeah the vocal one



only once, just like the other vocal marigold songs



but he got space cancer now

that cannot be cured

what if he was never cancer free

and he decided to stay in the frog verse



with the exception of that one from daleks in manhatten that got reused in jack/alonso's scene in end of time



Thanks, I'm no expert on soundtracks



>TARDIS team get to the New Earth hospital

>Land a few hours before the events of New Earth (episode) begins


How we pronouncing Ecclestone?

Eccle-ston or Ecc-leeston



I used to pronounce it as eh-cles-ton, but now I say eccle-ston



eccle the heckle




I've heard a few Americans say Ecc-leeston


Spoke to my Grandmother today and I asked if she remembers any Doctor Who from the early years. She said she remembers specifically being frightened by Medusa (Mind Robber) and says she remembers seeing a giant Dalek (Evil).


It's Evil.



and she produced a copy of it


Best episodes containing buffers:


Season finale and then an eqpilogue episode.

>it’s okay when Moffat does it!





>Copies of the New Earth DVD distributed to Netflix customers contained an error: at the 32-minute mark, the playback switched abruptly to a scene from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning. Netflix has pulled the disc from their inventory while they work out the issue with the BBC; this only seems to have affected Netflix copies.



Nothing about the new years episode suggests that it's an epilogue. it looks like a standalone adventure with no relation to whatever could be called an arc in series 11



I mean episode 9 and 10 of series 11



it's okay when moffat does it because you feel the entire series building up to something. when chibnall did it, it was just 'oh okay i guess ryan finally chose to come around today'

think about what ryan actually experienced in itya

>babysits some kid

>walks through a cave, walks back to where he came from

>hears that graham met a fake grace in there

>this is the experience that finally gets ryan to act more affectionate towards graham



are there still netflix dvd?



feels like a filler to me



standalone stories are not filler.



kinda out of place

like everythigs ryan related



some are


m-maybe the series 11 box set will have comfy commentaries with Bradders cracking jokes



if you buy s11 box set (for any reason) you endorse mediocrity and cannot complain if chib stays too long



"filler" is a meme term used by people who expect every episode to progress an arc


We joke about ITYA being the real finale, but I have zero doubt that it will prove to have been a better hypothetical conclusion to S11 and its themes than Ranskoor Av Colon.



it does not need to be arc related, but if nothing of the status quo was impacted by the episode, it is a filler



t. Gatiss



shows do not need to be continuity driven to be valid



I was planning on downloading it when someone uploads it



but it is more satifsfying when they do



Between the OST's episode order and the fact the episode ends with the resolution to ryan/graham's arc, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if it was intended to be the finale

although, I guess, it wasn't written by chibnall so maybe not


>Chibnall reveals they intentionally aired s11 out of order to prove you can watch it in any way




it has to rot on the shelves like Rose Tiko figurines



except 1,2,10

and that thing about Yaz+Gramma being a fast foward, not a inbetween adventures


captain marvel = green latern



captain marvel = shazam


go web go


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cats no!


I never tried Pink Gin, is it good?



Not a fan personally. Its a bit… Weak.


Anyone read the last 2 new books?


Literally every episode in Series 1 progresses an arc in some way, even if it's a very small thing.

Rose: introduces 9, Rose, Jackie, Mickey etc.

End of the World: introduces the Face of Boe

The Unquiet Dead: introduces the Cardiff rift

Aliens of London/World War Three: introduces Harriet Jones

Dalek: introduces the Daleks

The Long Game: introduces Satellite 5

Father's Day: introduces Pete

The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances: introduces Captain Jack

Boom Town: follows up the Cardiff rift story, establishing that it's a recurring thing. also development for Rose and Mickey

Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways: finale, goodbye for 9 and Jack etc.



>End of the World: introduces the Face of Boe

also the goddamn time war



It shouldn't be understated how much the finale pays off literally everything, including Fathers' Day.



see, no fillers

long game is fillerish, having the finale set in same satellite or not, changes nothing

boomtown also, but adds having a usefull mickey



>having the finale set in same satellite or not, changes nothing

the entirety of the finale is caused by the Doctor's actions in The Long Game you fucking inbred



>including Fathers' Day.



doctor mysterio is filler



In Parting of the Ways, Jackie refuses to help Rose save the Doctor - until Rose tells her the truth about Fathers' Day, and reveals that it was her watching over Pete's body as he died. She first reacts badly to this, but it's what pushes her to go acquire the heavy duty vehicle which they use to open the TARDIS.


girl in the fireplace is filler

idiot's lantern is filler

impossible planet/satan pit is filler

love and monsters is filler

fear her is filler









it changes the status quo for having Nardole as companion

so not a filler



the dystopia in 200100 is caused by the lack of news media in the last 100 years, which was what the doctor created in the long game

there's even a whole scene where the doctor is all "but that was me, i did this"



>girl in the fireplace is filler

it is more like a character piece, it introduces the doctor as a sexual being, the "monster" returned and it was inventive enough to be forgetable

>idiot's lantern is filler

>impossible planet/satan pit is filler

>love and monsters is filler

>fear her is filler




makes sense, but if you skip that, changes nothing

The daleks would come anyway


"filler" is an elitist slur

there are episodes that fit the definition of "filler" but are still good, making the term being used an insult completely dishonest



>there are episodes that fit the definition of "filler" but are still good

If they're good, they don't fit the definition of filler. Simple as.



someone somewhere will think any one was good enough

it needs a objective definition

is FEAR HER a perfect filler?



Woke take: filler =/= bad. Blink is filler.


there is a certain /who/re I would like to fill


filler? i hardly ever know her!



standalone, yes

filler, no, introduce angels for pete's sake


I'd fill Neowl up, if you know what I mean.


I miss Hunter



He was shitting the place up literally one day ago.


This thread is filler.



it fills my time



miss him since



that's all this thread is!






Life is filler for death


Phil R writes too many episodes.


Chris C writes too many episodes


Nilso M rides too many ____






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best doctor


muh home rule


>CGI Watership Down looks like absolute fucking visual garbage




What did you expect it would look like?



I don't know. I didn't really have expectations. Maybe something a bit less like a PS2 game though.



Part of the charm for these things comes from the sort of middling/poor animation and most CGI retellings personally lack that charm



tiochfaidh ár lá



t. miller



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It looks lazy as fuck, I don't know what they were thinking making it so soulless when the original animation had images like pic related.



redpill me on watership down


>black mirror is in 20 days

>still no teaser or trailer or episode titles or anything



I have zero will to watch black mirror




A group of rabbits are warned by a seer (psychic) that their warren will be destroyed so they leave and cross the land in search of a new home. After finding another home under a hill named Watership Down they eventually meet another warren of rabbits who want to take their new home for themselves and are forced to defend it to the death.



it's live



is this an allegory for Americans?



>The book explores the themes of exile, survival, heroism, leadership, political responsibility, and the "making of a hero and a community"



LOST with rabbits


who here still think LOST was special and no series will ever come close to its charm?






I have never seen Lost, nor do I have the interest in watching it.



oh man, knowing what you like, I think you would love it



what is the UK show that is resembles LOST the most?

>inb4 Doctor Who


>No brexit episode

>No Ramón Salamander references

why bother



who would play Salamander?



Just a newspaper with his face in the background or something would make me happy. Just something to suggest Salamander's rise to power and then sudden disappearance



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>brexit episode



still better than the caliphate



what caliphate? is there a french caliphate?





what aspect of it, would you enjoy the most?



The part where white people cry.


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Me too, fellow black man!


cuks everywher



>implying I'm black or white



so you're Irish then?


>go on /tv/ /who/

>it's even worse than this thread



lie of the land was better than pyramid

prove me wrong



she shouldn't come back anyway. not when the scripts are this shitty and generic. she'd just be wasting her time.



series 1 is so tight, and there's not a single bad episode. love it so much - even the cameras.






critic-hostile kino




>go on /tv/ /who/




Morbid interest.



I sometimes drop in there to see if there's even a glimmer of viable content or thread culture going on, it's just a wasteland. The equivalent of a youtube comments section.

Although you can always spot other true-/who/res when they show up there with good opinions.



we were born there

we still have them in our dna

they are proto us



/tv/ /who/ is an amalgamation of our worse qualities, somewhere between the 12th and final shitpost


Was last episode…

more like Sapphire & Steel


How do we fix ITYA?



Sapphire and Steel wouldn't have the budget for a frog puppet.



do more with the pan's labyrinth antizone stuff




it cuts both ways

the antizone is interesting but adds nothing but padding

in the other hand, what more could be added into the grieving part of the frogverse?

having more people in the frogverse would be gimicky as much as God Complex, have a ghost from the past, instead of having your worst fear inside the door


>sesska K-9 And Company reaction

what the fuck


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