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Fake regeneration edition:


Your strongest regenerations



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A new thread at last.



Mostly, but we can apparently have custom board flags. Moffchad/RTDfag flags mitebecool to do sometime as a goof.


Why is there no point in arguing with RTDcucks?


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record scratch

Hey, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got cast in a major television series, right?



kek irl


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I hope fucking 2oda doesn't show up.



only thing I recognise from this is Niggas on the Moon, Outside and Bjork. I'll have to culture myself some more.



too late



St Elsewhere a GOAT


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Whats the Who equivilant of this?



>Neō Wax Bloom

what did he mean by this



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It would have been so interesting to have him regenerate into a completely different actor for a few minutes, the Monks/Bill to rewind time or whatever somehow, then eventually turn into Jodie in TUAT, to show regen not being predetermined. Yes yes I know the idea of regen being predetermined is cool too, just spitballing here..


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Don't. It's not cute.



this was about as obvious as an episode of The Twilight Zone, Cloy.


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Oh shit






Good girl!




Big if true



kek, didn't even spot that connection.


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the soyventh doctor


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Here by niche demand !



This one is good. I recognize most if not all the names. Who's a tit though?



TOMTIT, I'm a B-list streamchad ;)



Oh well you're surely one of the good ones. Hello.

Toots and the maytals <3 I just heard Major Lazers remix/remake of 5446 and I felt pretty conflicted.



very very nice


A large house made of wood, surrounded by trees.


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magnum opus









There are two entirely separate, unrelated novelisations of The Androids of Tara by different authors.


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What's the Doctor Who version of this character




You apparently gave a permanent ban to Looms4Lyfe for something very insignificant (this post? >>16721), he's one of the good ones and I'd like to request a review.


Imagine the experience of someone who never watched any episodes of Doctor Who, but read all the Target novelisations in episode order, then all the VNAs, then all the EDAs, then the NewWho novelisations.



they would have the best life



tbf "big if true" is a thing 2oda says a lot



2oda does not have a monopoly on the sentence "Big if true", anon.



That's not the ban appeal I'm seeing. I'll lift that one though. Don't make your first post a shitpost. It appear to be sockpuppetry.



Imagine being one of the people who read the novel of a crap story without ever having seen it and thinking its GOAT



Thank you papa Cloi.



Imagine being the writer to make a middling event episode into a masterpiece of prose



I wish. But theres only one Paul Cornell


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t. Soda


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>The Fragile




aw yeaa


>To Terri

>I'm RTD!



Signed RTD


>To Terri

>I'm RTD!

>t. RTD


stupid nils



I can't tell whether you actually think he wrote "I'm RTD" or you're joking around.



>To Neo

>I'm anon!



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how deep does the rabbit hole go



Danny's pretty good when he's happy, just when he's putting on something with dramatic weight it falls apart.



What's wrong with him? He sounds like my deaf uncle when he tries to speak as opposed to sign.



Scratch that, that sounds retarded.




What episodes would you like to see turned into a book then turned back into an episode?



so is the very final episode based on the book?






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>I'm leaving Doctor Who!!






YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.




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>A toast in soy milk, to Neil and to the book!



Ghost Light forever.



You can replace any video game with Doctor Who characters and make it into an episode. Which ones do you choose?


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>Q: Why does [Paul Cornell] think you're [Lawrence Miles] a misogynist?

>A: Because of my fanzine. The one I give out at the Tavern. I keep taking the piss out of Kate Orman, so in Shagger Cornell's world that means I hate women. It's the way things work on his planet. All right, let's get down to basics here. We're talking about a man who spends his life acting like a caring, sharing new man just so he can get into the pants of as many women as possible. And this isn't just me being bitter, some of Paul's own friends told me this about him even before I'd met the man. In a court of law, the character witnesses would be lined up around the building three-deep. And I'm a misogynist for having a go at Kate Orman. This is getting really perosnal now, isn't it? Maybe we should go back to focusing on Krotons.

>I’ve tried to be nice to him. I've always tried. But if he can't shag you, he's just not interested. The only sure-fire way to get on that man's good side is by having XX chromosomes. He's never had any patience with me at all. That was the really funny thing about that interview he did, where he started slagging me off. He said the politics in INTERFERENCE reminded him of a "seventeen-year-old virgin". It was just so telling, because what he's actually saying there, when it comes down to it, is: "I'm wiser than you are because I've shagged more birds." I mean, fair enough, he probably has had sex with more people than I have.



Loz's hate towards Cornell sounds like him being angry that Cornell is actually happy with his life



I'd like to see the DotD novelisation adapted into an episode.


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All examples have combat removed from them and are instead turned into actual story ideas. Ones I skipped I don't know.

First Doctor - Bioshock

Third Doctor, Sarah & UNIT - Any X-Com game (Preferably XCOM 2)

Fifth Doctor, Tegan, Nyssa and Adric - I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream

Sixth Doctor - Doom 3

Seventh Doctor - Cry of Fear

Eighth Doctor - Amnesia: The Dark Descent

War Doctor - Half Life 2 (The Combine & Vortigaunts are replaced by The Daleks and Robomen)

Ninth Doctor - Dead Island

Eleventh Doctor - Fallout: New Vegas

Twelfth Doctor - Portal

Thirteenth Doctor - Dead Space



>Aphex Twin









Halo 3 (or the whole series) with the Third Doctor (as the Master Chief), the Brigadier (the Arbiter), and Sarah Jane (Cortana).


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>Fire Walk with Me

ah, a fellow connoisseur


If trips were episodes what episodes would they be?



Nilso would be Heaven Sent



I'm not a trip



Neo would be Hell Bent


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Nilso at the top

Neo at the bottom


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I'll take that as a compliment!






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2018, RTD and Moff



what the fuck why am I gay now



What is this and why does it keep getting posted?


Hola…soy el Doctor



Professor Layton with 2nd Doctor

5th Doctor in Pokemon Snap

I feel like an older 7th Doctor traveling alone could fit into Dear Esther but that's hardly a game

Bioshock Infinite with 8th Doctor

War doctor in Limbo

I don't really play many games so that's the best I can come up with


Guten tag…ich bin der Hörspiel



I get it!


A bit lippy for my tastes.


Cupcakes with frosted vagina tops, and because it's kind of amusing.



very nice choices



Thirteen would surely be any Metroid game, no?



3, 7 and 12 suit their games so perfectly its bizarre, especially 3.


llovido del cielo in the stream



I was going to omit 13 since we know nothing about her apart from a seemingly amused line from filming. If so I'd probably switch Dead Space over to 6.



yeah love the idea of 7 in cry of fear especially

even 6 in doom 3 and 5 in ihnmbims sound so right


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Whipped this up for you, anon. WIP at the moment, though. I might do IHNMAIMS tomorrow.


made a thread to collate the __-core pics. >>16803

feel free to add your -cores



I don't know why the top of his head's slightly fucked.


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Hallo. Ich bin der Hörspiel. Grundsätzlich gilt … lauf.


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thought she was running around with her arms stretched out like an airplane like some fucking retard



I can tell the comics are going to have a hell of a time with that strip on her shirt, I expect it to change position and thickness constantly.



I'm fucking so excited for Jodie. Don't get me wrong I'm not stupid enough to be hype for the series just in case it lets me down, but it's very, very unlikely I'll ever dislike a Doctor. I'm really looking forward to Jodie's Doctor in the TARDIS, because once she's an idea in your head as the viewer, she can do anything. Whether I enjoy her show or not, I'm bound to like her - this is a new Doctor. It means I've got another chance to put a character I love into any setting I like, read any novels or comics or listen to any audios (eventually) that I want, write anything I want, and it will feel fresh again. Just looking at that drawing of Jodie stepping outside her TARDIS makes me so happy.



t. Nilso



God I wish



The Doctor is ready to please.


reminder that nilso was a marshallkek



Guilty as charged. I didn't entertain the possibility of a femmeDoctor at all. If I had, I'd have probably chosen someone older.



Why do people say "femme"?



the funny part isn't you not wanting a woman Doctor, it's that you would settle for Kris bloody Marshall



[spoiler]Kris Marshall wouldn't have been a bad Doctor

t. not Nilso[/spoiler]


I don't want to go.



god I hate myself



Laugh at the failure.



maybe before Capaldi, but having him follow on from PCaps would be the biggest downgrade in history



I give in.

Kris Marshall would have been a bad Doctor.



TOS confirmed dead.



Yes but be honest, isn't pretty much anyone a downgrade from Capaldi? Unless it was someone really shockingly incredible, I think we were always in to be slightly disappointed.



So do traditional spoiler tags just flat out not work, meaning you have to use the double asterisk method? I hadn't noticed.



makes mental note to tell friends he probably overstated the problem with the radiation poisoning



No, they work, and I was assuming they'd still work even if I paragraph spaced but clearly not



I feel like deep down Moffat absolutely fucking hated that scene but he will never say so, he'll just keep making these snide jokes at its expense.



>keep making

Has he ever joked about it before?


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Well, anon, I already had my no.1 Doctor get cast in Capaldi. Marshall was the most bankable one (or so I thought at the time) but if it wasn't going to be him it was either going to be pic related.



*I wanted it to be pic related



Not necessarily that but 10's attitude to regeneration in general.

>He always says that

>I had vanity issues at the time

And the sheer run-on nature of that joke in the DotD book just drives it home really hard, Moff is committed to recontextualising 10's behaviour in EoT as a temporary lapse of reason as opposed to a rationally justifiable response to regeneration.



David Morrissey Doctor would be absolutely fucking GOAT. He's 53, so if he doesn't get cast after Jodie that's the chance of it pretty much fully gone, which is a shame.



t. Damian Ruhland



Did I sound like I was complaining? I support Moffat in this.



I know that I'm 100% in the minority for this but he was fucking fantastic in The Next Doctor. In fact, he's fantastic in everything.



The anon never said he was opposed to Moff's opinion or that he viewed the 'recontextualising' as a bad thing



Oh, I thought you were implying that it actually WAS a rationally justifiable response to regeneration. My mistake.



Of course he was fantastic in The Next Doctor, I would have thought that was undisputed? The episode is shit, but that doesn't mean his performance is. He's an amazing actor.



Rewrite The Next Doctor to be good. I dare you, thread.



cut all the cyberman parts out



Can I take out the steampunk Cybermen?


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Make it a TV adaption of The One Doctor




No, that's cheating. Write around the RTD clickbait, don't bypass it.


What is the Doctor Who equivalent of The Problem with Apu?



Sandifer's writeup of The Celestial Toymaker or maybe Talons of Weng-Chiang.


"The Problem With Cletus", a new right-wing response to "The Problem With Apu"



The Problem with Mr. Teeny.


The Problem with Nilso


The Problem with Jackie Tyler.



what IS the problem with Nilso?



Where to begin?



at the start



In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth…



And then Nilso.


have you noticed how much better /who/ is without judy



Not really.



This is probably thanks to /who/ being banned. It's like when you have a finger cancer and they have to cut your whole arm off to save you. Of course, the arm grows back, but at least it's finger cancer-free.


nilsos got dick cancer



>cloister can see post IDs directly

oh no no no no no



don't worry he'll only out you if you're a dick like 2oda

he hasn't mentioned a thing about all the nilsoposting i've done without my trip on



Poor lad. I heard he contracted HPV and thus dick cancer by topping cats.


Oh yes yes yes yes yes <3 ;)



Welp, Cats is fucked.



If Cats were to turn off his trip and samefag he'd get a pass from me for the most part. He's australian he can't not shitpost. It's in his blood. Not to mention his other contributions that I'd consider and take into account.



That's like saying Americans should be allowed to keep slaves.



what are you fucking doing



Terrible analogy. It would be like americans keeping guns, which I'm fine with. For the most part. Cats has a posting body here in which I can see what he's contributing, I can see yours too. You've been less than prolific with a whopping 3 posts, none of which have been related to doctor who.



fucking based


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>tfw have only shitposted with my trip on this website

feels good


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Doctor Who is shit.




Hey, it's your VPN. Do what you want with it.



hey kinda you watch IBS rn?


>not a single post in six hours

this sure beats the 500+ shitposts i arrived to yesterday



t. Nilso


Hey Cloi, how many different header pictures can we have? You know, the ones at the top of the page that say /doctorwho/ and change every time you visit the page.


Also, can boards have custom CSS styles?


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We post t. Nilso


We post


We post t. Nilso.


1, 2, soy milk

Nilso is a gay guy



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Row 2 when?


are there any asian grils on /who/








I want all the anons and trips to make a Super Mario Flash 2 level.

Bing bing wahoo, etc




Oh, and when you're done, put the level code into a pastebin like so



>up is jump

umm no thanks sweetie



now is not the time to be picky, giga



Unironically t. 2oda but I remember playing this game when I was younger and I love platformer level design so I'll give it a shot.

Check out Supertux btw


wait wtf. this is a sequel to the one i know. also poor controls and really blurry graphics. i'm out



how dare you call me 2oda


You say goodbye,

And I post Nilso

Nilso, Nilso

I don't know why you say goodbye, I post Nilso



what is this to the tune of?


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What even is that in the bottom right?



Hello, Goodbye



It's the TCE, obviously



>with no new tripfags, anons have turned to idolising streamchads


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essential neocore



Damn, I just realised there have basically been no new tripfags since we moved here. That's great.



I don't get it



Where's Cthulu?



Is this something to do with his politics?



too easy to mistake for nilsocore


What's the smallest change you could make to an episode to have the biggest positive improvement?







recast the absorbaloff to someone who isn't a comedian



add capaldi to any of them



Make Danny dig more wells



Remove Courtney from KTM.


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cut "Amy Williams" from the climax of The God Complex



Add Nilso




Does the Silence of the Library have the best opening cliffhanger of the series?



remind me what it is



The Big Bang's is pretty fantastic.


It's been seven years and I still don't understand what "Neil Armstrong's foot" means



The thing everyone's watching



The Doctor uses the broadcast (Neil Armstrong taking his first step on the moon's surface) to spread awareness of the Silence.


>2011 was seven years ago


baby nilso for nilso kart 9


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Hi Neo

I'm Anon



little girl talking to her therapist, when she closes her eyes she imagines she's in a library, something starts banging on a door in the library, terrifying her, the door bursts open and it's the doctor and donna


no it isn't


what podcasts does /who/ listen to? not just asking about doctor who related stuff



can you guess who was behind the post?



Hi Terri,

I'm RTD.


Can you?



I've had phases of listening to hamish and andy a few times over the years but I can't keep up



yes, because i wrote it


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>I listen to podcasts!

there. got that out of the way for you all



I bet you did.



you're just asking for it now aren't you


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>I preemptively dismiss soy accusations by making them myself!


What is Cats' honest take on the soyboy meme?



problematic but also funny

like apu



The Rooster Teeth podcast is usually pretty entertaining



I'm 90% sure he was the one a couple days ago complaining about how it was misogynistic due to making fun of feminised men while completely missing the point that it's about infantilisation and not a gender thing



>it's about infantilisation and not a gender thing

Maybe in the unique /who/ variant but the soy meme absolutely stemmed from far-right concerns that it contained estrogen and was 'feminising' its male consumers, gender fear is in its DNA.


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>rooster teeth still exists

>tfw you jumped off that ship almost a decade ago



Their podcast is the only thing I follow anymore


the people who peddle the soyboy memes are the same ones who say toxic masculinity doesn't exist






No they aren't.



rock is lame



Oh no, pop is dead, long live pop

It died an ugly death by back-catalogue

And now you know it gets you nowhere

And now you know, you realize

Oh no, pop is dead, it just gave up

We raised the dead but they won't stand up

And radio has salmonella

And now you know you're gonna die

He left this message for us

So what pop is dead, it's no great loss

So many facelifts, his face flew off

The emperor really has no clothes on

And his skin is peeling off

Oh no, pop is dead, long live pop,

One final line of coke to jack him off

Jack him off

He left this message for us

He left this message for us

He's dead, He's dead, Pop is dead

He's dead, He's dead, Pop is dead

He's dead, He's dead, Pop is dead



YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Thread theme





What are some doctor who episodes about brushing with death?



when neoliberals talk about breaking down the gender binary, they don't mean destroying the ideas of sex and gender altogether - which is what should happen. what they actually mean is destroying poisonous "traditional" gender roles and replacing them with equally poisonous capitalist gender roles. men and women are being reshaped into better consumers and i think the "soyboy" phenomenon is an example of this. alt-right conspiracy theorists have unintentionally provided a criticism of the economic system they love so much and i find that hilarious. however, i don't think you can seperate this from the inherent transphobia and misogyny (see >>16955) and i feel sorry for anyone who unironically believes that "soyboys" have anything to do with soy



>alt-right conspiracy theorists have unintentionally provided a criticism of the economic system they love so much and i find that hilarious.

That's what they're doing all the time. They denounce Marx but have locked themselves in a twisted parody of him with the exact same working class vs. ruling class dynamic, except with members woefully misidentified.




>Destroying the ideas of sex and gender altogether

this does not square with the existence of the transgender community



i've talked to trans people about this before and i'm still unsure on how this is the case. abolishing gender only makes it easier for trans people to wear what they want, get reassignment surgery, etc. because they are not deviating from any specific binary.



Despite the name 'gender dysphoria', actual transgender people are bothered by the genitals they possess (you could call it sex dysphoria). That's got nothing to do with the modern social concept of gender.

"I like things that are stereotypically associated with women so I must be female" is a gross misunderstanding of transgenderism, and it's a mistake that people on both sides of the issue make



A lot of trans people readily admit that they're "performing" a notion of femininity (I'm sure this applies to masculinity as well but I've only heard it from the other end), a notion that is predicated on max consumerism and max impracticality. I'm talking things like makeup, dresses heels etc.


Abolishing gender means abolishing the very pillar that the existence of trans people (or at least a large percentage of them, there's so many conflicting ideologies) is based on, so that argument seems self-defeating. But I'll happily admit I'm very, very confused by the whole thing because there seems to be no consistent rulebook I can argue for or against.






>not a gender thing

the entire concept is based around soy being high in estrogen



why's he got such a scary fucking face



Obviously it would be extremely white liberal to think you can just go "bang and the gender is gone!" since that's running roughshod over people's actual lived experiences (trans and cis alike), but the gradual erosion of gender restrictions/punishments can logically only terminate in the ultimate breakdown of gender as a set of rules (perhaps to be replaced by gender as an improvised performance, free of orthodoxy).



>as an improvised performance, free of orthodoxy

So, a personality?


What about things where biological chromosome differences are openly noted and affect an individual's capability, like sports? Is it fair if female sports categories become dominated by mtf trans people?




i think sex should be abolished too. split sex and gender into their parts, the behaviours, the clothes, the genitals, etc. so that having a penis or vagina is like having an innie or outie belly button, or fair or dark hair, rather than being something we use to ascribe labels to people.

dysphoria would still exist - you can get rid of sex and gender, allow anyone to wear dresses, makeup, have beards, etc. but dysphoria is more than that. namely, the physical aspect. however, reassignment surgery will eventually be perfected - certainly by the time sex and gender have been destroyed - to fully change a person's phenotype and even genotype. the physical and mental aspects of dysphoria will be conquered and it will be easily curable



>actual transgender people are bothered by the genitals they possess

that's part of it. gender dysphoria affects people in lots of different ways. some trans people are more uncomfortable with their jawline, or their voice, or bodyhair, or shoulder width, etc. you can't boil it down to just one thing. dysphoria comes in bundles and the intensity/focus varies from person to person


>actual transgender people

fuck off

>"I like things that are stereotypically associated with women so I must be female"

nobody transitions because of thoughts like that. it's more like "i'd be far more happy/comfortable if myself and others viewed me as a woman, so I must be female"



>split sex and gender into their parts, the behaviours, the clothes, the genitals

I'm confused—could you clarify this? Are you saying gender should be determined by behavior and clothes? Weren't you saying gender should be abolished?



Do you recognise that competitive male and female sports categories have distinctly different 'peak' ability ranges - and that in many contexts, men with peak ability outperform women at their peak ability? I don't mean this in a "hurr men are superior" way, but "physical ability differences between sexes exist and should not be ignored, because to do so would mean many women would be ruled out of ever winning anything in their sport"


wow /who/ wow


Why was english developed to use different pronounce for men and women in the first place? Are there languages without gendered pronouns?


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what i mean is, currently "sex" and "gender" are these sets of unconnected characteristics - what you wear, how you behave, what's in your pants, etc. the only thing holding these characteristics together is the overarching labels of sex and gender. get rid of the labels and you split the characteristics apart. without sex or gender, having long hair and wearing lipstick would not be inherently connected, as they are now through the label "female". get rid of this label and they would be unrelated, like wearing white shoes and having blue eyes, or having long arms and wearing a hat. we don't have a label for people who wear white shoes and have blue eyes, or people who have long arms and wear a hat. why do we have a label - "female" - for people who wear dresses and have lipstick and have vaginas etc. etc.? destroy the labels and these characteristics are split apart. thats what i mean


I'm starting to think Cats might be mentally ill..


/who/ - The Gender Discourse



sometimes my arms bend right back



ofc he is



What did you smoke tonight?



>le opinions i don't like are mentally ill meme

That old chestnut beloved of people who don't actually care about sufferers of mental illness.



Cats brings up an interesting concept and I want to hear your actual thoughts on it

why are gendered labels important to society?



>why do we have a label - "female" - for people who wear dresses and have lipstick and have vaginas

The label is ultimately for the vaginas, and the extra baggage is, well… a capitalist scam if you like. I'm sure I could think of other ways of putting it as well.




put your trip back on cats



we should go back to pronouns being purely about what genitals you have and abolish gender altogether



Well I don't know if they're actually important, but they certainly emerge out of the fact that the male/female divide is the most intrinsic in really any species. I'm not a linguist though.


abolish pronouns



That's sensible.



>pronouns being purely about what genitals you have

Better idea, what if we don't actually need to integrate our sexual dimorphism into the very essence of how we talk about each other, because that's unnecessarily intimate for the purpose?



why genitals in particular? why not eye colours? why not fingernail length?


cats what colour is your hair at the moment?


I think gender pronouns are ultimately just a way to remove 50% of ambiguity when you're referring to someone, because gender is by far the easiest factor to determine in a person, much more so than race for example, where many problems arise




because genitals are the primary factor in determining whether you may want to engage in sexual intercourse with someone



I don't want to get into sexual intercourse with everyone I meet



in 20 years time they won't be.



This. One might even say it is the pillar on which life is built on.


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>its another politics thread



are you getting into the puberty blocker business cats?


"Let's abandon a large pillar of society that's been going on for thousands of years because it makes me uncomfortable ;(((("

How do you even manage to turn on your fucking computer?

Also, what does this have to do with Doctor Who?



t. nilso



t. Sloath



How do you expect to maintain the birthrate at the rate of replacement if heterosexuality is not the most prominent identity? It's already below replacement in modern, largely heterosexual society


nilsos gay i want to hear his opinion on all this



how have my political thoughts ever been said?



artificial wombs fam. you could probably achieve mpreg with some advanced surgery/gene editing too





these good posts stand alone, adrift and undisturbed in the vast fields of discourse


>Neo leaves when we start discussing gender

Neo is a TERF.


my parents didn't fuck for this



neo isn't even a RF



>off-topic posting is only good when I agree with it!



He actually unironically is.



nah fam I'm actually enjoying this thread, I was just pointing out that no one picked up on those points, one of which was mine



Easy - bring in some poor poor refugees. It doesn't help that they live in a cultural atmosphere which is the complete opposite axis in regards to everything that makes us a western secular nation but that's fine…


fucking degenerate



Take it, /who/, especially Neo.


The arc of history is the alienation of sapience from biology



He abstains from this sort of thing regardless

also TERF is such a fucking meme word



All words and phrases are memes. Language is a subtype of meme.



>TERF is such a fucking meme word

t. TERF, or at least TE



Not homosexual. Am abstaining from conversation because I'll say something stupid.



Hi Mad Larry




hey, both of these responses are more or less accurate. good job


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i've done this one before






colour me fucking surprised that you'd rank that highly on the marxist section



I always wonder why "terf" specifically, with the R included, became the dominant term, considering so many people under that umbrella don't really qualify as 'radical feminist'. It's very dated, it seems to describe a specific late-20th-century type of militant lesbian feminist rather than the broader scope that exists now.

What I find especially funny is the attempts to claim that "TERF is a slur" are only possible because, somehow, unbelievably, no-one has actually made up an insulting funny nickname for them yet. We should have been through at least three by now but "TERF" hangs over the discourse like an albatross.


cats are you graham lineham?


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wew lad send me to the re-education camp





Escape the gender discourse in here


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oh no no no no


nilsos trans


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I think this means I'm completely vanilla.


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>Marxist Feminism holds that the mode of production in capitalist societies is organized in a way that favors men’s abilities over women’s. As opposed to Radical Feminists, who see patriarchy as the source of gender inequality, Marxist Feminists see capitalism as the cause. Marxist Feminists argue that the structures of capitalist economies coerce women into assuming responsibility for unpaid domestic tasks (such as homemaking and child-rearing) while leaving men free to earn money in the public sphere. Gender equality can therefore never be achieved in a capitalist economy.

>While Marxist Feminism was originally about economic revolution, more recent writers have changed their focus from economic issues to cultural ones, placing more of an emphasis on the fight for social justice than the fight to topple capitalism.

>Not just women, but also people of color, sexual minorities, and transgender people have become focal points for Marxist Feminism in recent years. Intersectional Feminism is essentially a fusion of Marxist Feminist and Cultural Feminist ideas.

Defend this bullshit



it's right



I disagree



>"physical ability differences between sexes exist and should not be ignored, because to do so would mean many women would be ruled out of ever winning anything in their sport"

Pretty easy to accomplish this. Abolish men's categories, replace it with a category open to everybody, but maintain women's categorizes which are closed off to men. That way one category consists solely of the best of the best, no matter their gender, while women who can't compete at those levels still have a space.


cats is probably the smartest trip. when he isn't shitposting, he talks a lot of sense and also is open to learning more



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I'll be honest, I'm not sure this test accurately distinguishes between "society shapes women with fewer artifacts of toxic masculinity" and "women are inherently better uwu" (gender essentialist gubbins).

I also have literally no idea where that 13% Traditionalism came from either since I don't remember giving a single conservative answer…maybe because I hit strong disagree on criminalising sex work?


Cloister, mind coming into the casualwhostream? I need to PM you.


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That was supposed to be double tildes around the word ~*inherently*~ by the way



>Pretty easy to accomplish this. Abolish men's categories, replace it with a category open to everybody, but maintain women's categorizes which are closed off to men. That way one category consists solely of the best of the best, no matter their gender, while women who can't compete at those levels still have a space.

The outcome of this is the same as having separate gender categories, only this is arguably more insulting to women.



Trip, back on. Right now.



gender categories should be abolished but replaced with skill levels which is a fairer chance even though men might be more at the top on physical sports



>and also is open to learning more

find me a single instance where this was true


Cloister, we need to chat.



it's cats talking about himself like some sort of vain visionary


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>The outcome of this is the same as having separate gender categories, only this is arguably more insulting to women.

The only way it would be the same is if male coaches etc. refused to tryout women or ignored when there was one that performed better. There are already women that are better at what they do then men are.



Ask cloister if I'm cats, cowards.


>gender categories should be abolished but replaced with skill levels which is a fairer chance even though men might be more at the top on physical sports

This works too. A tier-based system of different levels of skill, like how boxing has lightweights, heavyweights, etc.


Like right now. I had an argument with cats months ago about how the sex/gender distinction isn't actually helpful and is often used in harmful ways against trans people and now he seems to have taken that on-board somewhat.



Ledecky ain't ever winning gold in a free-for-all category.



How can the sex/gender distinction be unhelpful to trans people?


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New DWM Special


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>eventually, we will get in-costume, in-character promotional photos of 13 with Graham, Jasmin and Ryan



Because it's used as a way to misgender them. There are institutions that have claimed that their toilets or entry to their events are organised by sex, and not gender, as a method to exclude trans people.



Hmm. Weird, as the "sex/gender" distinction helped me understand trans people. It's annoying someone would misuse it for anti-trans end.


Wait is it Jasmin or Yasmin?





Is it just me or has Sandifer been talking about porn more lately



On what, her twitter?



yeah and has a reference to discovering weird shit on pornhub in the latest eruditorum


Reading Sandifer's Blood Cell article:

>countless forgettable Short Trip anthology stories

I see she still doesn't have a high opinion on the novels.

Should we try to get her to read Shit Trips? (I'm joking.)




What about Neo?






Would love to read an eruditorium post on the pie-fucking storey



Even if I wanted to participate, I only posted today in a break from work, and have been working the rest of the day.


Oh no no no no…


Pls no, I couldn't imagine what strange feelings Sandy eviscerating my fics would bring


Also Ingiga did you do what I think you did, because if so lol it worked



Not you, obviously, but I'd love for Sandy-fern to rip my fics. That'd be very "enlightening"



>matt on the cover of a DWM in 2018

what the fuck




It would be hilarious. We'd just have to make sure there aren't any transphobic jokes in the anthology. Surprisingly, I don't think there are any.



Genuinely no idea what you're talking about, the only thing I really did since yesterday was make the gigacore charts and post the core thread.



He meant "Did you use lube while fucking me last night? Because I was still able to walk today which is unusual"


Kino in the stream.


ingigas in the stream, neo…


Rare Immigrant appearance in the stream


neos in the stream, ingiga… and hes looking 4 u


What's /who/ with you?


Also, more of that Australian comedy in the stream



No idea.


supposedly. I've had some issues with the spoiler images. uploaded a dozen plus, but only one shows up.


Joe Rogan, Your Moms House. Higherside Chats my wife hates me, Black phillip, whatever lecture they have on zeg tv.


@7:00am? Fuuuuuck no. If you're still around I can pop in, in about an hour I just rolled out of bed, and there's a few things I need to take care of first.


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sandifer's makeup and wig are so bad it makes my eyes bleed


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What is the Doctor Who equivalent of this decline?



You're still in the old thread mate



What in the FUCK. Fucking hell. Which cunt posted the new thread and didn't fucking spare the courtesy of at least writing "new" or "new thread" on it? Shit.

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