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Comfy edition

Lumpy mattress:





I vote we follow the example of last thread and jump threads at ~500 posts instead of 300. It's slow enough and we aren't even approaching image limit.



Too long IMO.



Reminder that Shit Trips 2.5 deadline is now April 28th.



Can do, if that's what you damned dirty /who/res want.




peter cushion lol


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Anyone here read Millennial Rites?



Yep. It's great. That book is what made me realize Six can be as awesome as any other Doctor. Those books (that one and Quantum Archangel) also adds a lot of detail to the Six/Mel relationship.



How's the Valeyard stuff in it?



The Valeyard stuff is good. A large part of the latter part of the novel is Six attempting to fight off the Valeyardish tendencies within himself.



I prefer The Last Adventure's take on 6 and the Valeyard



Didn't hear that one, though I heard the story in that boxset with Constance.


I made that picture, btw. It's Peter Cushion.



This guy gets it.


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Doctor Who was last fun on January 1, 2010.



You forgot your trip Neo


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nth for Jodie.



good meme


Series 10, Heaven Sent, and Dark Water / Death in Heaven. These are what made Capaldi my favorite Doctor along with Pertwee.


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Jodie a cute! A CUTE!


Can't wait for Jodie desu.


Odd. I typed "to be honest" and it somehow auto-corrected to "desu." Either I'm really tired or that's part of the board's coding as a sort of confusing joke. Ah well.




I loved having a darker Doc with 12 but I'm looking forward to another light-hearted one again, as long as they don't go too far with it like 11



Wow thats so crazy desu fam


this is gay


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haha that's absolutely mental let me try




Yeah, that's an auto-replace set up in 8chan.



I hoping for a "Fae" vibe off of 13.



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Cloister, what were your thoughts on TUAT?




I enjoyed it. I enjoyed 1's casual sexism. I enjoyed that it made him a heel. Capaldi's hair was amazing. It was nice seeing Rusty even though he blow'ded up before. Really liked Jodie's first moments. Didn't care for her last though. I think it was a great bookend for the era.


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What didn't you like about the end of Thirteen's intro scene?


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>"Fae" vibe off of 13

Face isn't angular enough to pull of a Fae. Gomez has the face of a fairy completely, however.


…I was trying to find "your" image to post in reaction. Mine was the closest facsimile that I could find via google. I'm glad it came off with the same feels.



Poor direction or acting as she was falling. It was more comical than suspenseful. Looked like a kitten with yarn.



Jodie's face is pretty angular though. Not completely angular, but she's got a manic twinkle in her eye.



Kinda reminded me of Alan Rickman at the end of Die Hard.



Eh..not the semi mythological creature I'd go with. I don't see it. I will concede that she has that kinda manic pixie dream girl look in her eye though.


>Alan Rickman at the end of Die Hard.

More gravity in his case though.

Ba dum tiss


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We live inside a meme.



>tfw when you've been surrounding yourself with Doctor /who/ meme totems so it's actually like living in a meme.

Still have yet to obtain permission from TooManyTime to commission art or print work.



Maybe try obtaining permission from smallfat "instead" :^)


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>mfw he has many names, maybe even a trip.



tfw matt himself ended up legit looking like a toomanytime shop



So true. I can't not see toomanytime in Matt anymore. I see a pic on twitter and have to blow it up to be sure. /who/ has some powerful meme magic. It's morphed Matt's face.



This guy goes through more screens than sweaty palmed Wii player. I can only help but imagine him enraged, throwing things around.




I wish I had his homeowner/rental insurance. I don't think throwing your phone at a TV constitutes "accidental".



How did he not notice until the following day? Surely he'd notice where his phone landed



maybe - just maybe - he's lying because he really wants everyone to know he has a 50" tv



It's a common enough occurrence and it has yet to yield that result. Though maybe not since IIRC he's replaced 2 other screens for his laptops in the last month. OR >>19662, but that's not the feat it used to be. I've got something similar and it was half the price of a CRT that was half the size.


companion based stories are fine for 2.5 as well, right






Right, I just woke up from a nightmare and I'm writing it down and contextualising it for a 2.5 while I remember it



Good idea.



Is it ok if it contains a canon Doctor but he's not the main focus? If not I'll backbench it until st3 if it happens



That's perfectly fine.


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Fuckin' noice.




For once, you're right. Good evening, anon.



Looking forward to it, anon. I've actually been hoping for more "companion-focused" and spinoff stories.



He still has me blocked kek


Unhand her, The Master - liar, bully cad and thief of Prydonian Hall!



this is why you shouldn't use a trip





Nibba what.





kanye's not wrong



Cats's not wrong


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Why does he do this?



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I fucking hate this gif


nilsos a cuque



cats is a cishet white male, which makes him inherently wrong



better question, why does cats like lil b

I don't understand the appeal


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Neo, where are you? I have something I need to talk about with you!


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>4 hours

The absolute state of Discordfags.


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>he doesn't like the Jodie dance



I like Jodie but something about that gif is just physically obnoxious



On a break from work now, will be free free in ~7 hours




Discord isn't real /who/.


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>Something's inhibiting my enzymes…


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Is he ever happy?

>tfw the only person who replies to your tweets is your mother




If you're reading this, we've been trying to get to you for quite some time. Spreading your name across the program, like a virus.

The simulation is failing. As long as you're still connected, you'll die with it.

Only you can get yourself out of this.

Wake up.




I don't know where I am



good, I yearn for death's sweet embrace


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The Beast Below is a fun episode and a good premise whose logic doesn't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny.

Also god I thought the meme of having flashbacks to things that happened earlier in the same episode was something that would be left behind in RTD's era. I forgot Moffat does it too


regenerAYshun regenerAYshun regenerAYshun



what is a floor standing tv? do there really exist TVs that don't need to be stood on a table?


you just know



you just nilso





┓┏ 凵 =╱⊿┌┬┐





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The NewWho Google Drive isn't letting me in anymore - it says

>You need permission

>Want in? Ask for access, or switch to an account with permission. Learn more


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The Last Temptation of Christ (1988) dir. Martin Scorsese


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>Want in?



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If Nilso's so good why isn't there a Nilso 2?



my hair is 30cm at the front and 7cm at the back

what does this make me






someone who put their wig on back to front



With a mullet? Probably canadian.



It seems to still be fine for me.


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neo BTFO





s11 promos when









cloymod, do your thing



Unironically t. Nilso



Give me a few. Away from my terminal. Being domestic


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Delete your trip.



nilso2 confirmed for cats



wtf I love CC now?















Same IP?



nice vpn cats



t. Neo


Reminder that cats is behind this.


You didn't delete all the posts Cloi:




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What'd I miss based Cloister deleting?


someone roleplaying as nilso 2, the sequel to nilso



Just a knockoff nilso shitposting.



someone tripping as "nilso 2" talking about neonazism and hating lilb because he's black



Who could do such a thing?



Who could do such a thing?




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How do we "fi




Now kiss!

/who/ indeed.



By having the first Doctor Who turn into Jodie Whittaker?


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i'm still waiting for you to explain why it's a good idea tho :)



I have talked about why on halfchan before. I'll explain in narrative form in ST3. Here's a hint: don't you think he looks tired?



Who, Capaldi? So he runs through his entire life again? How can he when his young self rewrites him out of existence?


neos favourite simpsons episode?



>So he runs through his entire life again?

What do you mean by this?


There's so many, maybe the Lisa substitute teacher one



If Capaldi regenerates into a CGI Patrick Troughton doesn't that represent him repeating his life? What else could it mean?



>Neo self-inserts as Mr. Bergstrom



I'm a bigger fan of "Capaldi dies for good, Bradley regenerates into Jodie" than "Capaldi regenerates into Troughton, Bradley regenerates into Jodie".


Loved the ep since I was a kid



>I'm a bigger fan of "Capaldi dies for good, Bradley regenerates into Jodie" than "Capaldi regenerates into Troughton, Bradley regenerates into Jodie".

Okay that literally makes perfect sense to me now, it was always the capaldi > troughton part that confused the fuck out of me. Still a batshit crazy idea but I see the appeal. I'd be uncomfortable with functionally erasing the Doctor's memories of himself post-Hartnell (if that's what this entails) but I'm sure you'll make it seem very profound and beautiful and whatnot


The evening's young. Let's dance, Neo.


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t. nilso



are you proud of your post


Imagine being Nilso. Imagine having tens of /who/res obsess over you religiously and sexually all because you have a funny name.



>tens of /who/res




seems like a pretty based life desu


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>tfw no post-apocalyptic survivor group named the Church of Nilso spreading the word of Nilso to all unbelievers


kinda your shitposting fucking sucks, and i say that with contempt



I see people playing nintendo switches on the train occasionally

they always have the red-blue controller version


nilso exposing himself in the stream



Wow he really took EVERYTHING off!




Fuck, I missed it. What was it like?



Let's just say that the term "lil Nilso" is completely __true.





What's Nilso's opinion on all this?





Frank Olson was murdered by the CIA because he knew too much about biological weapons. He had a son called Nil Olson.

Nil (Ol)so(n).

Just let that sink in.


god we need new Who news, this is so fucking lame





I unironically attached my 7" pink suction dildo to the box my Nintendo Switch came in last night so I could fuck it in a more comfortable position. Alpha soyboy



I'd like to apologise for this post, the son was actually called Nils Olson, which is even closer to Nilso than the incorrectly given name.



t. Ingiga?



Having both of these items at my disposal I've tested your supposed fantasy and guess what? Doesn't work. The box is not smooth enough to hold adequate suction. Roleplaying shit.



based cloi the modern age mythbuster



Your suction dildo is shit. Mine sticks to cardboard boxes fine. It doesn't stick to my walls though which I still don't understand.


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do you want to stream anything tonight?



Fuck you it's shit. It's the highest rated one on amazon. It doesn't stick to your walls because it doesn't exist. or you have textured walls. I do too



I used my labo for that. Much better imo



Sudden urge to watch Cold War. Dunno why



>or you have textured walls

That's probably it. It sticks to my bathroom tiles fine, as well as doors and floors, but the walls it doesn't grip at all.

I still don't understand what difficulty you're having with your Switch box though. Are you just pretending to have a Switch?



Oh I've got one…the switch itself would work fine. Maybe you're just being gentle with it? I just slap Belle's off the box.




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>join stream

>see labo

>leave stream

t. nilso



>join stream

>see time

>need to go out



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memes aside do you actually want to watch anything in the stream tonight



Get Judy to fuck off and we'll talk.



I never go into the stream, anon



he's left


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Hey everyone, 's raocow here



if you're about can you drop into streamo for a moment



I will do a writeup sometime I swear I'm just tired af rn and don't want to halfass explaining why I like it when I know it's controversial






I wasn't planning on watching a stream tonight but I can jump in if you need to talk for a sec or something, sure


A Narvin short trip by GARY fuckin RUSSELL is coming out sometime in the next few days.


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Briggs Finish's Shakespeare adaptations are unironically really good. I particularly enjoyed their Lear with David Warner. They're on a flash sale rn. If you're the type to complain about Fitton, well here's Briggs Finish using a writer of a much higher pedigree.


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>listening to non-doctor who BF



Doctor Who is easily one of their worse ranges.



What would you say makes them so good, as Shakespeare productions go?


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What is the Doctor Who equivalent of this video?


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What video?


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the doctor who equivalent is 7 gurning



Are you implying the Fitton production line is somehow worthy of enduring praise? Even the few genuinely good writers in the main Doctor Who range/s are overworked and churning out derivative hackery these days.


They're thoughtful adaptions; you can feel that the team behind them had no interest just using them in the typical BF mode of vanity projects for their long-standing cast members. They've very good casts (Warner as Lear is particularly good) and remind me of early DW main range stuff in paying a lot more attention to using environmental effects and other audio specific elements to enhance the storytelling. You can imagine how this works especially well in Lear, with all the weather focus and whatnot. I think audio's always been a good medium for Shakespeare because, while obviously you lose a lot of what's powerful about their intended theatre performance, sole audio focuses you completely on Shakespeare's words and naught else. Without body language or stage direction it's down to the cast to bring their A-game and really sell the lines, to speak them in considered ways not just churning through the text. I'm not saying these are the best versions I've experienced of these plays or anything, but they're easily some of the strongest work BF has done in recent years.


na kmetiji je lepo



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Nilsos gone


Hey Neo are you familiar with Errol Morris and have you seen Wormwood?



wow homophobe much?


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BF Macbeth adaptation with McGann as Macbeth and India Fisher as Lady Macbeth when

Seriously it's be a kino spiritual coda for their time together and actually mesh well with some of the stuff in Scherzo.

Make McCoy Duncan too just as a lil 50/50 reference


He's coming back in a week


I'm not although he certainly sounds the type I need to swivel over to diving into sometime. Why do you ask? What are your thoughts?



Nilso no more



>McGann as Macbeth and India Fisher as Lady Macbeth

I struggle to imagine either of them in those roles.



Imagine Nilso



>Why do you ask? What are your thoughts?

I finished Wormwood today and it's really, really kino. Best Netflix original programming available that I've seen. Formally recommending it to you just because I thought it's the kind of thing you might appreciate.

doctor who



>Best Netflix original programming available that I've seen

What, better than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtJFb_P2j48

I'll definitely check it out, thanks for the formal rec anon



This one goes out to all my bipeds who identify as Nilso


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Cause my script junk is so oh oh oh

Much less than either or oh oh


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That's exactly the right message!


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What is the Twin Peaks: The Return of Doctor Who?

Seriously I'm sure there is something but I can't think of anything so viewer-hostile and anti-nostalgia offhand.



series 8




Strangely enough, that sounds like Delta and the Bannermen.

Season 24 does actually have a strangely vague Lynchian quality about it


Who's more epic, Chuck Norris or Rory Williams?


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Delta and the Bannermen also has its own version of the Eraserhead baby!






I can kinda see that, although I think the finale bungles it. Sleep No More kinda fits more, maybe.



Campaign? Did you ever read that by the way?


I've always felt very strongly that The War Games is the Twin Peaks S2 finale of Doctor Who. They both make me feel similar kinds of feelings. And Doctor Who taking a 26 year break after The War Games would have felt right.


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In my lifetime the act of reading the book occurs


Ohhhh of course, that's completely fucking it. You're 100% right. War Games is ruthlessly hostile to the show and on some level the viewers, at least of the time.

Is War Games or Heaven Sent best ep?


A rare YouTube video essay I actually think is pretty good, it's about how Twin Peaks: The Return deploys/denies nostalgia https://youtu.be/juiJLAfqt7k

I'd have loved TUAT to dive into this sort of stuff since it explictly jutted up 12, a figure so based around reconceptions of 1, with 1 himself…could have done really kino stuff with examining the show/nostalgia/the show's relationship with its past. I guess a couple of misguided sexist gags were something you could have done instead.



>Is War Games or Heaven Sent best ep?


But seriously, I like Heaven Sent more but The War Games is more impressive in a way. I may prefer Heaven Sent, but if I had to choose one of them to save from a burning building, it's The War Games in a heartbeat. And not just because it's so lengthy.


>neo isn't over the six lines yet



opinions don't have in-built expiry dates anon



I'm perfectly happy to be characterised in an anti-TUAT camp. I'm just glad Moffat gave himself a proper befitting exit (maybe) with the DOTD novelisation, because leaving on TUAT would have been a massive disservice to himself.


Heaven Sent is so stunningly directed and composed and is a much more elemental story which is easier to appreciate, but yeah sometimes I'm just stunned by the totality of what the War Games did to/does for the show.

I wonder if we'll ever get as meaningful a transition as War Games to Spearhead again. Probably not.


Can someone sum up for me in a few words why War Games is so lauded? Plenty of stories are just "really well done" but what puts War Games up there with Heaven Sent?



War Games deserves visual props as well, the location footage is kino, the whole aesthetic of the War Lords' planet floors me every time, the idiosyncratic character designs are super memorable, the Doctor's planet in episode 10 is one of the most atmospheric things in Who, etc.



It functionally killed the show (And That's A Good Thing!)



It took Doctor Who to its logical conclusion and followed through on that with utmost brutality. It is effectively the ending of the show. And, like Heaven Sent, it's one of those rare episodes where it's not just the script telling a story channelled through TV - instead, every element of what was broadcast (structurally, visually, etc.) was telling the story (i.e. the wearisome length of the serial actively making the same points about repetition, war, cycles that the plot itself was making).



It's the most conclusive answer to the question "When did Doctor Who stop being fun?"


What really frustrates me about 5's era is that I feel it nullifies so much of what's magical and astonishingly powerful about the transition from War Games to Spearhead…War Games killed the show, Spearhead built up a new show in its place, just as good and creative in its own (new!) ways. Eventually 3's era managed to logically pivot back to the same sort of show Doctor Who was pre-War Games in an earned way, then 4's eras followed that up by executing variations of that type of show across different tones, quite consistently well-written all the while. So when it came time for 5, if the show had revolutionised itself into an entirely new type of show once again, it'd have reframed the typical Doctor Who formula as a kind of counterpoint the show could always return to and flirt with, but not the essential heart of the show, not what Doctor Who "is". But instead 5's era just kept on being that show, and so did 6's, and 7's, and on and on, and so in time what 3's era did gets glossed over and recontextualised as a blip it's harder to understand the meaningfulness of in hindsight. The show's locked into being "Doctor Who" now, but that used to just be the name of the show, not its formula as well.



Is it really surprising that the one major narrative structural change the show's seen—made for financial reasons—was never attempted to be replicated?

Actually, on second thought, you've got to hand it to JN-T and Saward, Trial of a Time Lord is basically what you're describing as far as I can tell. Doctor Who became a (unspeakably shit) courtroom drama for a year. And it actually affected the stories to nearly the same extent that stranding the Doctor on Earth affected the stories. Suddenly you had unreliable narratives, confused chronology, an attempt at a grand overarching structure with recurring characters etc. The way it was incorporated was pretty abominable yes, but it affected every single story in a way that something like The Key to Time didn't. And this was done in similar circumstances to Season 7 too—the show was in danger, as it was to an extent by the end of Troughton's run.

Anyway, I'm not actually sure what my point is here. Trial of a Time Lord remains the most exciting thing to happen to Who since the Pertwee era?


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Me when I put on my nostalgia goggles



It's not surprising but I find it frustrating, depressing, many other negative -ings.

Good point with Trial. Trial deployed the typical Doctor Who structure in a lot of its eps in a way I think the Pertwee era avoided, or did more recontextualised so it felt newer, but overall you're right that it was a legitimate attempt at a structural shake-up. Actually you do bring up a good point that the lens we looked at those "typical" stories was changed enough that you could feasibly consider them changed enough. What a shame Trial was…not great.

I'm trying to think of examples even in the EU and still coming up fairly empty-handed, "the Doctor and some implicitly subordinate companions go on sci-fi adventures to various settings around the universe" is a dense enough black hole to pull in even the more creative writers and formats. And it gets denser every year, every decade. If only the prime show had had some sort of recent opportunity where completely reinventing itself respectfully, perhaps even discarding its baggage of continuity and expectations in a way more narratively immediate and set-in-stone than the Time War, was right there begging to put into the episode. Alas.



That didn't stop the VNAs, RTD or Moffat (or even Cartmel) from effectively reinventing Doctor Who. JNT was just shit. The net effect of this is not some permanent weight on the show stopping it from doing new things, it's just a big period in the 80s that no-one really likes.



How did the VNAs, RTD, Moffat, or Cartmel reinvent Doctor Who? What did they do besides changing the format?



Yeah, something like Ambassadors of Death is more transformative than anything in Trial.

Man, Trial is fucking weird.



they made it fun



>Ambassadors of Death

How can one Whitaker be so based, seriously the guy was a legend


The more I think about the idea of Doctor Who turning into a police procedural, the more it fascinates me and I desperately want Chibnall to try it out. Structurally it would just mimic the UNIT era (the Doctor is based somewhere and pursues cases or incidents with the help of an ensemble of friends), but it would potentially be much more thematically provocative thanks to the Doctor's uneasy relationship with law and order - despite owning a Police Box - and force an RTD-esque engagement with working class life and British society. It feels like something that should already have happened.

NuWho loves present-day Earth/England stories so much that no-one would even bat an eyelid at the relative lack of space/time travel, although you wouldn't actually have to disable the TARDIS (might be more interesting if you didn't).



That brings up a good question really - what is the most "fun" era of Doctor Who?

Me personally I'd probably say 4's era/s.



Its canon title is The Ambassadors




Yeah its Four, especially the Williams part. The majority of Season 24 too.



As much as I'm glad Chibnall is doing historicals, in a way it disappoints me because I genuinely think the man could knock it out of the park revolutionising Doctor Who into, as you say, a genuine police procedural. Chibnall's strength has ALWAYS been executing police procedurals, whether hidden or not.

There is so much thematic content the show could meaningfully explore if it transformed into a police procedural, but even if it touched on none of that, it would be a very creatively bountiful direction for the show and (hopefully) sell to the modern audience that the show can fundamentally transform itself at the conceptual level.

Fuck, you have me so excited about a S11 I know we're not getting.


What's the least fun era of Doctor Who? Not necessarily the worst, just the least fun.



>Least fun

Well I very, very rarely find Davison / Colin fun at all. And their greatest moments (Kinda, Androzani, Varos etc), aren't what I'd immediately think of when I think fun. (Hindle's entertaining madness in Kinda notwithstanding.) There aren't really any eras or even seasons that don't just occasionally dip their toe into the milk of fun. Season 26 has Battlefield and bits of Survival, the Capaldi era delves into it a few times

Wait, Season 7 is easily the best answer to this. All four stories are pretty much completely sober. The closest you get to fun is the morbid kind of Robert Holmes fun which he'd only just started to develop in Spearhead, and even then it's not nearly as pronounced as in his later stories.


What complete conceptual shake-ups would you be interested in Doctor Who theoretically doing?

Police procedural as that poster above described?

Some sort of political comedy - imagine Armando Iannucci showrunning a series or 2 set on Gallifrey that eviscerates the whole idea of a political Gallifrey the show has set up (Time in Office done right?)?

Medical drama? Actually put the "doctor" in "doctor who"?

Horror? Fantasy?


Season 7 is god tier and I could possibly convince myself that it's my favourite



Good shout.

What do you think is the most thoroughly mid-tier era of Doctor Who? Not good, not bad, just completely and utterly….middle.



I think it is easily the most impressive season of the show. It has a cohesion and unity of purpose most seasons/series definitely don't too.



Does a "different Doctor every episode" series count?



There's lots of instances of this throughout the show. The longest sustained instance I can think of is RTD post-Series 1.

Outside of "eras" that encapsulate this, I think it definitely happens at the arse end of Pertwee's era to some extent, just Season 11 really. And Graham Williams' first season, one of my absolute least favourites in Classic Who. He was trying to carry on Hinchcliffe and tripping at every step. And Four's character was so fucked, especially his relationship with Leela. Williams got better though. And then worse. But at least it was *his* kind of worse.

Oh, Series 7 as well. Always Series 7.



Good because I passed out, anyway



What was up?


Different Doctor every ep would be interesting. That idea Moff had when he wasn't sure he could get Matt or Tennant for the 50th, where it would be Clara jumping through paintings the Doctor had been removed from, and she'd imagine (or something) the Doctor in their place and they'd be played by different well-known actors…was a really good idea, and I hope something like it is done one day.

Completely agree with your picks on mid-tier stuff.



DM on CWS, doxxy otherwise. But it involves somebody we're both interested in.


Neo's obsession with subverting expectations actually stems from his first girlfriend's reaction to his peener.


Neo's undying obsession with subverting expectations actually stems from his first girlfriend's reaction to his peener.


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Hey Neo since you're an BvS defender are you gonna participate in this event?



>completely reinventing itself respectfully, perhaps even discarding its baggage of continuity and expectations in a way more narratively immediate and set-in-stone than the Time War, was right there begging to put into the episode

Hartnell regenerating into Jodie doesn't magically get rid of all the post-Hartnell lore, only the Doctor's personal experiences of it.

And even getting rid of all the post-Hartnell lore wouldn't magically pave the way for a Spearhead-esque overhaul of the show any more than it would another 50 years of rehashing, there would literally be nothing even suggesting that Jodie wouldn't then pop out and just carry on with the normal model of the show. Likewise, Chibnall could completely overhaul the show right now regardless of whether or not he did anything to the lore. The UNIT era didn't happen because they watched The War Games and went "oh shit we have to overhaul the show now thanks to these shocking narrative developments", it was because the production circumstances of the show changed

The format of the show is not continuity-tied. Continuity in Doctor Who always has been, and always will be, an arbitrary symbolic gesture. Perhaps because - and I feel this point has been conspicuously absent from all of this discourse - Doctor Who is not actually made for the people who care about continuity. Doctor Who isn't made for the people who give two shits about whether there are thirteen Doctors or two, or people who know anything about the lore, or would rejoice/lament to see it get pretend-deleted/pretend-consigned to another timeline. Doctor Who has to be accessible to people who have never seen an episode before in their lives, because that is its role as a piece of publicly-funded family entertainment.

So if Chibnall were to perform the biggest structural reinvention the show had ever seen, it would have to be immediately and intuitively understandable by viewers, completely irrespective of what flim-flam canonical justification was provided for it. So the flim-flam canonical justification becomes wasted effort in itself, unless of course it is the basis of an independently compelling story that doesn't hinge on obscure prior knowledge (War Games). Structural changes to the show happen because the times demand that the show become a different type of television, they don't happen as artistic engagements with The Lore. What I'm saying is I don't think Hartnell-Jodie would improve the show in any way.



what did you mean by this



holy shit, based



Hartnell Jodie ain't obscure knowledge.

No more obscure than including the First Doctor in the first place, anyway.

also obligatory reminder, we got fucking Mondasian finale



what is based about the idea that everything in Doctor Who has to be "immediately and intuitively understandable"

that sounds like shit to me desu



They're spoiled enough already


I was being somewhat facetious when I brought up the Jodie idea in the context of that comment and discussion because, as you say, there's no immediate connection between what Bradley regenerating into Whittaker would do, and what a conceptual shake-up of the show involves. An improvement to the show either way doesn't have to contain either of those things, but they both have the potential to be improvements.



How would it even improve the show, though? I honestly can't wrap my head around why you'd want that other than for wanting a change up of the lore for the sake of it.



What did you think of 12's regeneration?


Has anyone got that picture of Jon Pertwee in thought, as if to say "oh dear", or looking down condescendingly on someone?


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>you'll never be retweed by Louie Jameson


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I hate somethin fierce the idea that Doctor Who has an imperative to appeal to the normies or else the show will be taken away from us or some shit like that

It's like a twisted Fear of God except its fear of the chip munchers. Fear of the almighty cock gobblers who pay their license fees and must be amused

pic related


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Are you seriously trying to say that the Doctor regenerating into a woman is in any way comparable to making the First Doctor regenerate into her for no narrative reason?



This, I actually welcome the fact the show will be cancelled again some day, it's liberating. I don't want the show to exist for the sake of it, I want the people behind the show to do whatever mad ideas they have.


No, I'm asking what you thought of the twelfth Doctor's regeneration. Particularly this line:

>Yes, yes, I know. They'll get it all wrong without me. I suppose one more lifetime wouldn't kill anyone. Well, except me.


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nvm found it



haha I just realised the significance of the eyes being "t"s, that wasn't even an intentional clever visual joke on my part


Got mail notification today. Le books arrived. Going to pick novelisations tomorrow, hyped as fuck.


I was always interested in fantasy Doctor Who mostly because it's one of the genres Who never really properly touched on. I have a very vague image of what could it be in my mind, but maybe it could be something similiar to Might and Magic series where among with elves and orcs and dwarfs they had robots and guns and shit like that.

I'm not sure about going full police procedural but this format is very popular among wider audience and a good police procedural with a touch of sci-fi and with eccentric girl from space could hit all the right notes (like Life on Mars did, for example) and become very unique and successful iteration of the show.


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Would you prefer an EOT novelisation by RTD…or by Moff?


Got mail notification today. Books finally arrived. Going to pick novelisations tomorrow, hyped as fuck.


I was always interested in fantasy Doctor Who mostly because it's one of the genres Who never really properly touched on. I have a very vague image of what could it be in my mind, but maybe it could be something similiar to Might and Magic series where among with elves and orcs and dwarfs they had robots and guns and shit like that.

I'm not sure about going full police procedural but this format is very popular among wider audience and a good police procedural with a touch of sci-fi and with eccentric girl from space could hit all the right notes (like Life on Mars did, for example) and become very unique and successful iteration of the show.



>I was always interested in fantasy Doctor Who mostly because it's one of the genres Who never really properly touched on.

Same here. I can't really think of any obvious thing Doctor Who could do in fantasy but it'd be a brave new world for it.

Can't wait for you to read the novelisations!



>elves and orcs and dwarfs they had robots and guns and shit like that.

No thanks, not in my Doctor Who



kek Moff wouldn't be able to restrain his distaste for it


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automatic filter keeps detecting "flood" in my message so im posting it as an image



>still using the Deviant Strain font well into 2010

thank god moff got rid of it



It already posted, Stomie.



yea I got that, sorry

my proxy lagged and I didnt see that

cloister pls delete duplicates



Stormie, even.


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Introducing John Hurt as The Imp of the Pandorica



It's not a proxy thing, 8chan is just being fucky


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Introducing Colin Baker as The Butcher of Skull Moon



Hi Neo,

I'm John Hurt


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Introducing Colin Baker as the Demon Barber of Fleet Street



thicc boi



>what is based about the idea that everything in Doctor Who has to be "immediately and intuitively understandable"

This doesn't mean things have to be dumbed down, or that there can be no intrigue, by the way. It simply means that it should be able to entertain a new viewer on its own merits.

And what's based about that? Everything. It is the difference between every good TV story in the history of the show, and the diseased hell of Ian Levine's imagination. It is the reason the show, for all our protestations, has not actually drowned itself in a mess of canon like so many long-running SFF franchises that have succumbed to the cancer of dragging on and on to sell more products. It's the reason we don't have to fuck around with capeshit-like reboots or Transformers-like continuity diagrams, or monstrous stories where characters and ideas that should have been put to bed long ago self-cannibalise just so past things can keep hanging around. It's the reason Moffat didn't greenlight Stephen Thompson to write the fucking backstory of Taren Capel…

TV Doctor Who respectfully treats its storied lore as a quaint museum it can occasionally homage or echo, and never - if it knows what it's doing - as a vital component of its storytelling. This way, each story can be its own thing. The show will never be tethered to anything except the artistic goals it is pursuing right now. You don't need to have watched Classic Who to know what's going on in Listen's barn scene; it's just the hero of the show as a child. You can swap out the War reference and the Hartnell quote and the story still works. Those things are lovely for us fans, but ultimately inessential.


is the IMG_0XXX poster Neo's biggest fan?



The last rendition of 12's theme moving seamlessly into a variation on Vale for 1's regeneration was probably my favourite moment of TUAT. So well-executed musically, and such a fascinating conflation of eras and moments. 1 regenerating to Murray Gold music, music written for 10's regeneration no less, felt daring, powerful, and (perhaps bizarrely) completely fitting to me. I wish the episode had done more with connecting to The Tenth Planet because there was some really interesting stuff there.



based ingiga yet again



Well yeah I agree with you.

But isn't the example here the idea of One regenerating into Jodie? That's not obscure. If it was obscure, One wouldn't be in the special to begin with.


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Introducing Colin Baker as Hannibal Lector


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Introducing Sylvester McCoy as The Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole



It would eventually become obscure, though, and just cause more arguments about canon and conflicting timelines. I can't really see any positives in the idea.



He's saying he doesn't see any value in the idea of "erasing" 2-12's continuing because he thinks that continuity is already important to the show, so nullifying it in-narrative would be pointless. In his conception.





>people on facebook are actually doing the draw tally marks on your hand thing



Could make a good story.


You lured me in with your cold grey eyes

Your simple smile, your bewitching lies

One and one and one is three

My bad, bad Angel, the Devil in me!

You put the Devil in me…

You put the Devil in me!

You put the Devil in me!

My bad, bad Angel, you put the Devil in me…

I'm a country girl, I ain't seen a lot

But you came along, and my heart went pop

You took a little streetcar to my heart

And an apple of love fell off my apple cart

You looked at me, my heart began to pound

You weren't the sort of guy I thought would stick around

Hey, but it don't have to be eternally

My bad, bad Angel put the Devil in me

You put the Devil in me…

My bad, bad Angel, you put the Devil in me!


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Past a certain age, enjoying trad Who can be a bad thing.



But at what cost? 50 years erased from canon just for the sake of a change-up that would probably only be interesting for a single episode?



Aren't you the poster arguing that that canon is unimportant in the first place?



No? More than one person can disagree with you


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Introducing John Hurt as William Hurt


Introducing John Hurt as Wasted Potential


reminder that john hurt was literally dying of cancer and moffat forced him to say he was "wearing a bit thin" when he knew full well he was about to die



Introducing Wasted Potential as Doctor Who


Introducing Ingiga as Twinkanon


>But for now, for this moment—I am The Day of the Doctor™ again.

wow moffat is a fucking hack



It should've been Colin Baker in that scene and after saying "wearing a bit thin" he should've turned directly to camera and said "well, maybe thin isn't the word!"


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>But for now, for this moment—I am a twink again.


Introducing Neo as Nilso



What gave it away



why is his mouth above his fronds



Is it - and dare I even utter these words - a Lovecraftian design choice?



? Why the Caretaker essay in particular?



Because of >Gareth



Because it's about Gareth so it has that whole drama component to it

Surprised you didn't realise already




He likes to pretend to be unaware of the Gareth controversies. He's been asked if he condemns the things he's said but always dodges the question.



trans discourse




Shall I email as a tranny called Munroe?


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I'm appalled by the divisive rhetoric that's split /who/. Surely it's time for everyone to come together to do exactly what I say.


How hype are you guys for Sandifer's Caretaker essay?

>people on Twitter are saying its Foreman level woke

>eviscerated gender norms

>cletus like creatures

>Gareth gives Sandifer a "shock of her life"

>'Is the writer she's trusted so long really a hero after all? Is he even her friend?'

> "This might be where you can argue that the new gender is, for the first time, seen uncluttered by any of the old gender."

>terrible dilemma

>Jack Graham said the ending paragraph is his favorite thing on the site

>Sandifer said on tumblr that Elizabeth (new identity of author) was going to stick around 'for a long time, I promise you' implying the hormones are GOAT

>TERF insult in episode

Its going to be GOATER than GOAT.


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Hey guys



Addendum to this:

I actually like when the show brings up past lore, so long as the story can still work in a self-contained way. I love stories that can maintain that unity and completeness, even as they sprawl out to reference other ones. It even makes it more interesting for me as a fan, because it feels like the old is made new again, like I'm seeing it from the perspectives of both a fan and a regular viewer.

For example, if the cold open of Magician's Apprentice had cut into the titles right after the word 'Davros', expecting us to recognise it, that would have been a catastrophic mistake and pure wank.

But what they did instead - lingering for a long time on the Doctor's reaction to that word, forcing us to question what could possibly be so bad that it would stop him from helping out an innocent child - is the correct approach.

Sure enough, soon after the titles we get some understandable cues that Davros is (to the lay man) the Voldemort of Doctor Who and 'creator of the Daleks'. What are the Daleks? We meet them too and get a great scene demonstrating their sheer sadistic lust for murder. Later on, in part 2, the long and convoluted history between the Doctor and Davros is expressed through the strong fundamental nature of its themes and their conflict, rather than by Davros alluding to that one time on Necros or the events of Journey's End. I love that this is possible. It's both its own story, covering all of its own thematic bases, and a capable dialogue with old ones, if not in-depth.

I think the TV show, dictating the agenda for the whole franchise as it does, has a responsibility to always try and push ahead with new things. In-depth explorations of the life of that one Ogron are suitably at home in spinoff media, I don't mind that at all.

And you know, ignoring my dislike for the violence of the whole idea, I can easily see how - provided it was a suitably well told story - it would make a compelling and deeply moving scene if 12 chose to finally die and unwrite his own life, passing the regenerative torch on to 1 so that the latter might go on to live a totally new life as 13. But the sheer weight of that would be incomprehensible to a non-fan; the only way I can see it even slightly working is if you meticulously set up the idea of his 12 previous lives over the course of Capaldi's run, which poses a whole other problem in itself as far as lore-wank goes. (And all that so that his tenure could be not only fatalistic, but express a desire for never having even happened, which is arguably worse in a Donna way. I don't like to say things would ruin Doctor Who, but…)



I read the preview. I can honestly say it's unsurprising.



Bunch of confused gayboys


The Day of the Doctor


Hell Bent

Rank The Barn Trilogy



Better as it goes along



Really cool rendition of the Doctor's Theme from The Husbands of River Song



>This video contains content from The Orchard Music, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.



>blocked in my country

FLAC download of the soundtrack when?



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>I read Lance Parkin!


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>Moffat fucks around with the show's continuity too much!

>Oh I love Lawrence Miles and Lance Parkin's book!


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The War Horspiel



Totally tubular


Hey I found where Nilso went! https://8ch.net/soyboys/index.html



What if I like all three of them?



Then you hate Doctor Who




You know I've seen you post this so many times and the fact that they said "William" only just registered with me.


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