No.3547[Last 50 Posts]
Daleks Vs. Mechons edition
Timelocked:
>>3206Post last edited at
No.3550
>>3547Should I read Tales of Trenzalore?
No.3551
>>3550Its not bad.
There's a Mara story.
No.3552
>>3551Mara's an interesting one to bring back.
No.3553
How do you know when to make a new thread with no post counter?
No.3554
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>3547Amazing fake trailer for the unmade Daleks vs Mechons
No.3555
>>3553You can see the post count from the main board page and the catalogue.
No.3556
>>3547Oh god I forgot about the crystal maze not-Daleks. They were from The Chase when they picked up Steven right?
No.3557
>>3553300 is usually when we make a new one
No.3558
I liked the speech
No.3559
>>3558The speech was GOAT, but look at that retarded fucking Great Pumpkin face.
No.3560
>>3559I liked the pumpkin face No.3561
>>3558It would be fine for a finale but it didn't fit that kind of episode.
No.3562
>>3560Why? It makes no sense why it would even be there. It doesn't actually have eyes or a nose or anything.
No.3563
Looks like what_frame anon is at it again.
No.3564
>>3563he does it for free
No.3565
going to bed too
night bros
No.3566
No.3567
No.3568
>>3558It was classic 11. Overblown, flashy, ridiculous music with 0 emotional resonance, dorky "BABY" and in no way did it affect the actual monster or story line. The thing starts feeding on his memories but this doesn't actually change anything and then that's not even how it gets beaten. It gets beaten by an argument that could be made for basically any object or person ever.
Honestly made me drop the show until the 50th was coming up.
No.3569
>>3567But it's not. It's not even 12 am in any time zone because it's the bottom of the hour.
No.3571
>>3568I hope you didn't drop it just because of a single shit episode.
No.3572
>>3568music was good, it wasn't dorky and yeah it sucks that it was totally pointless but that just means the plot was shit, the speech itself is still GOAT
No.3573
This scene made me love One.
No.3574
goodnight sweet prince ;_;
No.3575
>>3571No season 6 made me lose a lot of investment. Season 7 was mediocre over all and I didn't care about Clara's Impossible Girl plot at all so that episode was just the last straw.
Of course, I still ended up going back and suffering through season 7 because I got rehyped for 50th. Then Time of Doc was shit again but season 8 is GOAT.
No.3576
>>3572music and lines were all pretty cringeworthy for me but hurray for opinions!
No.3577
>>3576I liked the music and the lines too though ;_;
everything else could go tho
No.3578
See you tomorrow, m80s.
No.3579
Who's everyone's favourite TARDIS team?
No.3580
>>35791, Ian, Barbara and Vicki.
No.3581
Requesting a fiction where Danny fucks Rigsy like a beast and Rigsy moans for more as Danny thrusts deeper and harder into his tight hole.
No.3582
>>3580I always found Vicki sort of annoying myself.
No.3583
>>3582So did I to an extent. But less so than Susan, which is why the vote went to Vicki.
Not like the Doctor was ever just with Ian and Barbara, plus even if I find both Susan and Vicki to be annoying at times, I still fell like they make the overall dynamic work better with one of them there than it would if they weren't.
No.3584
>>357912 and Clara are really doing it for me.
Before that, 1, Barbara, Ian and Susan were so cozy. 3 Jo and UNIT were my favourite era. Do they count as a Tardis Team though? Probably not
No.3585
>>3584>Do they count as a Tardis Team though?What about the TARDIS team of 2, 3, Brig, Benton and Jo? They all went to a planet together in The Three Doctors so you could get away with claiming them.
No.3586
>>3585They're not the team though. Swap out 2 for Yates, and that's my team.
I really love those UNIT years
No.3587
>>3586I liked Yates until
he turned out to be a filthy traitor! He was pretty cool in Planet of the Spiders though, so that sorta makes up for it.
No.3588
AI of 85 for Flatline
Same as last week.
Are viewers finally adjusting to the new Doctor/style, like in series 1? Hopefully
No.3589
>>3588Overall viewership has actually increased by a few thousand.
I think people are really liking him.
No.3590
Also, rise and shine, /doctorwho/.
You've got a beautiful new day ahead of you!
No.3591
>>3590Best Seven episode?
Probably Remembrance.
No.3592
>>3591Yup, Remembrance.
Based master manipulator
No.3593
Quite a few unique IP's but you guys appear to be lurking.
Silly goys
No.3594
Veteran actress Lynda Bellingham, who played the Inquisitor in The Trial of a Time Lord, sadly passed away yesterday aged 66. Her death comes just two months after she announced that she would be ceasing to receive treatment for her terminal cancer, in order to go out on her own terms. A brave lady.
No.3595
>>3594This makes me very sad.
No.3596
>>3595Everyone from classic who, dies from fucking cancer. It's bullshit.
No.3597
>>3596>yfw Tom Baker dies of cancer No.3598
>>3597I just remembered that Tom isn't immortal.
Fuck.
No.3599
>>3597>>3598But the moment has been prepared for.
No.3600
>>3599>then Davison was kill No.3601
>>3600>then other Baker was kill No.3602
>>3598Tom Baker's death is gonna hit me so hard holy fuck
No.3603
>>3602he had a good run ;_;
No.3604
>>3567Can you make a version of this with "PM"? Or just 12 o'clock?
No.3605
Reminder that /who/
No.3606
>>3574One day he shall come back. Yes, he shall come back. Until then, go forward in all your petitions, and prove to Moff he's wrong not to bring him back.
No.3607
So, what's /doctorwho/ with you guys?
No.3608
>>3607not much just woke up, I hope today will be as as yesterday.
gonna eat breakfast and watch some davison serials
No.3609
No.3610
/doctorwho/ is dead. All hail /who/.
No.3612
>>3611Back into /who/ Rassilon!
No.3613
Are we really kill?
No.3614
>>3613Yeah, we kill now ;_;
No.3615
fuck autistic /who/
this place is objectively better
No.3616
>>3614Fuck it, I'm staying! I'll go down with this ship.
No.3617
>>3613we just gotta be dedicated and give it time.
things should pick up soon, mornings are always dead.
No.3618
>>3613Everyone moved here at a specific time, so it's mostly only gonna be the anons who were there for that who'd come here.
Then a lot of those anons probably will see we've become much less active again and so just jump into /who/ that's recovered due to anons coming in after the trolling, and isn't shit today because it's a couple of days past most recent ep airing so trolling has died down.
No.3619
/who/ is pretty dead as well
No.3620
The Promised Land brought to you by Apple™
No.3621
No.3622
>>3618I'm banned, so I'll stay.
No.3623
No.3624
>>3621I don't want to go ;_;
No.3625
>>3622And so will I.
The line must be drawn here. No further.
>>3624We got your back dude.
No.3626
I don't want this place to die ;_;
No.3627
No.3628
>tfw kill
No.3629
Does anyone think the publicity has been lacking for this series?
I've just that 4 second trailer for ITFotN, and there's nothing to hook anyone.
What happened to the mid season publicity push? We used to get a new trailer, a Radio Times cover. This year, nothing.
There used to be pre season publicity, a mid series push, and finale hype machine.
This year the BBC blew their load on a world tour that had no impact back in the UK, and Capaldi hasn't been on a magazine cover since Deep Breath. This is poor form
No.3630
>>3629Was that not just for the split series?
No.3631
>>3629Last 2 series had mid-series breaks, which for s7 was so prolonged the 2 halfs aired in different years.
Series 8 has been the first time Doctor Who has had a straight no breaks run in the last 3 years.
No.3632
I get the impression most of /who/ was fine with coming here. It was just 3 or 4 autists spamming the thread calling everyone shills and forcing everyone to come back.
No.3633
>>3618This, I've just been busy today.
>>3622banned as well, and there's one or two others who are banned from halfchan so we'll be sticking around
No.3634
>>3630>>3631I'm not just talking about split series.
Series 1 had a massive push for Dalek.
Series 2 had Cyberman advertising halfway through.
The first few series also had special trailers released halfway through the series which heavily promoted the second half.
Here's an example from Series 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEpcIUOr6cUWe haven't had anything like that.
There were also Radio Times cover stories almost regularly during series'.
Series 3:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/combomphotos/4592618747/in/set-72157624024060738Series 4:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/combomphotos/4593237144/in/set-72157624024060738This was high exposure stuff as part of big campaigns. We don't get that anymore
No.3635
So, looks like people are slowly coming back from work/waking up.
No.3636
No.3637
>>3636Just got here 10 seconds ago
No.3638
No.3639
No.3640
No.3641
>>3640I'm actually curious to see how 12 acts around little kids. Courtney was like a teen, so that's exactly the same.
Good to see people are coming back.
No.3642
>>3640That's a very high quality image.
No.3643
No.3644
>>3634I think first NuWho appearance of the Daleks and first appearance of the Cybermen are pretty big things to hype. Those were more because of what those episodes were rather than just typical mid series hype.
No.3645
>>3634>>3639Doctor Who's just not that big of a hit anymore. Yes it still pulls in millions, and is still really successful, but it was an absolute sensation at the time. I don't know if you're English, but Doctor Who was everywhere for a couple of years.
Like Pokémon, it's still popular, millions are interested, it has a huge, dedicated fan base, but it's no longer the craze that it was
No.3646
>>3645It's the biggest it's ever been, the worldwide fan base has boomed in the last couple of years.
No.3647
>>3644As seen in
>>3639 , things like Sontarans and Turn Left got their own covers.
IIRC, there were two collectable covers for the World Cup 2006, except it was Daleks vs Cybermen with the footballs.
There was a concentrated push if not all the way through the season, then at key points
No.3648
No.3649
>>3645It feels bigger than ever to me, but I do agree that the advertising has slown down.
No.3650
>>3649>slown downI'm so sorry that I typed that
No.3651
>>3645That's true with anything that becomes popular. The initial wave surrounds everyone and almost everybody gets swept in. A type of mania takes over until the wave crashes and your back to a normal tide. That's where we are now. The show is still strong, maybe stronger than ever… but it's not a crazed furby epidemic. I think the 50th may have been the peak of that swell.
But like this anon said
>>3646 it's still massively popular and huge. Reaching a worldwide audience like never before. The only difference is now people are watching it out of choice and enjoyment as opposed to riding the trend.
Hope that made sense.
No.3652
>>3646I'm just talking about in the UK here. It's big in America now, yes, and is growing globally. But it just doesn't have the same power over here that it did.
We had trading card games, and Doctor Who versions of the Weakest Link and Never Mind the Buzzcocks (popular British gameshows).
We had lunch boxes, and Easter eggs, and sticker albums and wall to wall advertising.
I mean, the regeneration at the end of Stolen Earth was pretty much front page of newspapers (I remember it was on the front of the Daily Mail).
It's not like that anymore
No.3653
>>3646Yeah, I remember back in high school the deputy head teacher of my high school got involved in a conversation I was having with a friend because she overheard us discussing The End of the World, and she was a no-nonsense super serious bitch, said a lot for how much people were interested that she took to watching it.
>>3647It's just RT magazine covers, magazines aren't really important anymore. Times change for marketing, RT now do posters for every ep that get distributed across various social medias.
No.3654
No.3655
>>3638The 50 years one for sure. Just lovely
No.3656
>>3653Sorry first part was meant for
>>3645Though I should add, I don't think it's not as big now, it's just that it's not as much of a new novelty now is all.
No.3657
No.3658
>>3651It makes perfect sense, I understand how these things work, but it's almost like the BBC have just accepted that and moved on.
That excitement was fuelled by the time and money that the BBC spent ensuring it's penetration and success. Now, they're happy that it's a guaranteed ratings pull, and just leave it to build it's own hype and that the fanbase will keep coming.
That'll only work for so long, and with the sights set at world domination (just look at the world tour), I'm worried that'll be at the cost of continued success in the UK
No.3659
Foxes was good in the episode, too bad we only got to here a bit of the song.
The music video they made afterwards is based tho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-OTYT02W7E No.3660
>>3658When the tide pulls back, the BBC will just kick it into overdrive again. I imagine they have a contingency plan for when the shows popularity and presence wane. For now though, the tide is high and everyone is happy swimming about. No need to worry just yet.
No.3661
>>3658The show is a mainstay of British culture at this point, it will always have an audience here.
No.3662
>>3656In terms of excitement and word on the street, it's a different ball park.
Journey's End received more buzz in the UK than the 50th did.
That was the peak of the show's success really. It was sustained through the specials, but has been on a come down since (with a brief hurrah for the 50th)
No.3663
>>3661Sounds like what they said in 1983
No.3664
>>3663Time will tell, it always does.
No.3665
>>3662>Journey's End received more buzz in the UK than the 50th did.Not a Britbong, but if that's true, it's pretty pathetic. More excited to see horseface come back again after she was gone for like five episodes?
No.3666
>>3660The tide is showing signs. I don't mean to be a worrier, or a doom sayer, but I think they're dropping the ball.
There was a decent advertising presence for Mummy, and we hit 5 million again (overnights)
There was a drop in advertising for Flatline (and the ad was four seconds of Clara saying "I'm the Doctor") and 500,000 people just didn't watch on the night.
I know that overnights aren't the whole story, I only really put stock in finals, and I don't really think the show is in any kind of trouble, but I do believe that the BBC could be doing a lot more in exciting people about Doctor Who
No.3667
>>3663It was different back then. Michael Grade, the chairman of the BBC was actively trying to kill the show. Which is why it was constantly being shuffled around and having it's budget cut. It had nothing to do with loss of interest. It was a mainstay at that point like Eastenders is still. Had Grade not gotten involved it likely would have stayed on the air and been seen as… that one show that people occasionally watch but don't really talk about.
Time will tell though.
No.3668
>>3664I dunno, it felt pretty shitty in 1989
No.3669
>>3666>I don't mean to be a worrier, or a doom sayer, but I think they're trying to drop the ball.
>3666>satanDon't listen to the Devil's lies.
No.3670
>>3666When push comes to shove, they'll do what they need to. For now just relax. You don't need Whomania to have a successful show.
No.3671
>>3666I agree.
I remember BBC telling RTD to "make two spin off shows NOW"
No.3672
>>3670The further the show is from "muh pop culture references" the better
No.3673
>>3665It wasn't just Rose (although she's still the nation's favourite), but it was the surprise regeneration, Davros, and the way the media handled it.
Now I'm not saying the 50th wasn't big, it was, it was huge. It was quite magical to see the trailers on huge video boards in big train stations and stuff. Being in London for the 50th weekend was so exciting. But it isn't hitting those highs of public conciousness.
That week between Stolen Earth and Journey's End (and indeed the whole of series 4) was just intense wall to wall campaigning and excitement. It was on the front pages, it was crazy
No.3674
>>3671I thought Torchwood largely was his idea, or him and Julie Gardner talking about moving Jack's story out of the show since Eccleston was leaving?
SJA was because BBC asked him about a Doctor's childhood show for CBBC, and he was like "fuck no do you want to kill it?" and then proposed SJA in its place.
Then when SJA forcibly ended rather than approach Moffat to try and concept a DW replacement, they just got RTD to concept a new kids show.
No.3675
>>3673Maybe the media decided that reporting on the adventures of a fictional character is not as important as other things?
No.3676
>>3671Oh yeah, that too. That was insane. Looking at those RT covers, there's a few for Torchwood too.
Torchwood was a huge success on the bakc of Doctor Who. Children of Earth was bloody event telly.
We've got nothing like that level of brand Who operating now
No.3677
>>3675That's the thing. In 2008, they decided in favour of Doctor Who. Because that's what people were talking about.
No.3678
>>3674It may have been his idea, but I guarantee you that if Moffat had as good an idea for a spin off now, it wouldn't get anywhere near the screen. If this was 2006, we'd have a Paternoster spinoff for sure
No.3679
I would rather any of the Series 8 guest stars come back instead of the Paternoster Gangrape.
The guest characters have been so fucking GOAT.
No.3680
>>3678Moffat hasn't made a spin off because hes far too busy.
No.3681
Jack should have been Nine and Ten's companion instead of Rose. So much more interesting and funny than generic chav slut #4323543
No.3682
>>3680Moffat:
>Doctor Who>Sherlock>Dealing with tumblr 24/7RTD:
>Doctor Who>Torchwood>Sarah Jane Adventures>Dealing with gay orgies 24/7 No.3683
See what you have to realize when something is new or newish, everyone wants in on it. I mean this from a media and sales POV. Doctor Who was fucking new to a whole new generation and a new revival to the older. So what happens is the media, advertisers, marketers, etc… all capitalize on that. It's during this wave of mania that the BBC can do things like multiple spin-offs and take non-calculated chances. There is almost no risk with that kind of madness.
but that was then. Everything has stabilized and Doctor Who is no longer the new hotness. Everyone loves is, yes, but people aren't fucking gaga pants shitting THIS IS THE GREATEST THING EVER over it. Which… isn't a bad thing really. Now you can focus more on the show and less on trump cards and chocolate bars.
No.3684
>>3682RTD was only loosely involved in the actual workings of SJA. Gareth Roberts was showrunner and later Phil Ford shared the job too.
Hell RTD didn't even write a single ep for it after the pilot until after he'd stepped down from DW.
No.3685
Seeing as we've been discussion cultural significance of Doctor Who, this new BBC service gives a fascinating look through television history, with the Radio Times
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/ No.3686
>Torchwood back at Children of Earth levels
>Doctor Who in the hands of a fantastic showrunner
>Based Eighth Doctor spinoff
I want these so much, but it will never happen.
No.3687
>>3683I fucking loved the trump cards
No.3688
>>3683It's not a bad thing unless viewing figures are consistently falling.
Oh wait
No.3689
No.3690
>>3688>what is iplayer>what is netflix>what is hulu>what is amazon>what is other streaming services>what is dvr No.3691
>>3685It just goes to show really, the little icon they have for the entire decade of the 2000s is a Doctor Who cover.
Doctor Who was pretty much the biggest thing from that decade
Unless something sensational happens, Doctor Who won't be anywhere near that spot for the 2010s
No.3692
>>3688They're at series 7 numbers and more people are turning to alternate means of watching the show. These days a lot of people don't watch television as it airs. Just a way of life now.
But really, why all the fearmongering?
No.3693
What do you think is the coolest sci fi concept in NuWho? I really like the idea of perception filters, how they don't make something invisible, just really hard to notice until someone points it out.
No.3694
Why do people drop the show anyway?
I think there's two kinds of people who drop it.
Tumblrite extremists who can't stand that they can't fap to the new Doctor and people who are upset when each episode isn't a Weeping Angel/Dalek/Cyberman-fest
>>3688>what is digital streaming No.3695
>>3689>>3690Yep, and all that's great, and the BBC add that in to the overall reach.
Which is still down on the Tennant years.
No.3696
>>3694Because they grow up.
No.3697
>>3695Alternative viewing wasn't as big during the Tennant years. A lot of people who used to watch live, have now switched to things like iPlayer, iTunes, DVR etc…
Times change.
No.3698
>>3693Perception filters are pretty cool.
I like the two dimensional lifeforms in Flatline. I had never thought about such a thing before, and it surprised me that I hadn't.
No.3699
>>3696DOCTOR WHO IS REAL
Pancakes is muh waifu
No.3700
>>3694A large part of the audience are kids who just lose interest.
Also another large part of the audience are casual viewers who aren't hugely invested in the show and also lose interest. Might periodically return, hence the premiere and finale spikes, but on the whole not around for a lot of it.
No.3701
>>3692No, they're down on Series 7.
And that's with Series 7 in the weaker spring slot.
Doctor Who should have been a hit in autumn it hasn't been.
Look, I'm saying all this because I work in media and television, and have been involved in various ways in Doctor Who over the last 6 years from designing some advertising to analysing figures (the BBC have a lot of contact with third parties, due to the standards in their charter), and I can tell you that this series has not performed as well as they'd hoped. Fact
No.3702
>>3701300 confirmed kills?
No.3703
as long as the writing stays decent the show will be fine
No.3704
>>3697I'm aware of that. I do understand how viewing works, I analyse it for a living.
The BBC don't pay much attention to overnights and to BARB (which includes DVR), but they do pay attention to their overall reach, which includes iPlayer and iTunes and everything.
These figures are oft circulated within the BBC, and they are still declining
No.3705
>>3701Are you taking into account alternative viewing and not JUST live view BBC figures?
No.3706
>>3704So then BBC should get off their lazy asses and advertise the show.
Its not Moffats or Capaldis fault.
No.3707
>>3704It doesn't need to be the biggest show on television, it will always have an audience.
No.3708
No.3709
>>3704You wanna show some proof of this? Because everything I've read has shown that the show is pretty consistent with a few dips here and there (which is normal) You sound like your fearmongering and I REALLY don't want that to be the case.
No.3710
>>3702Shit could go down if this continues.
I was in a meeting last week about advertising strategy (I do freelance work with viral marketing), and they're thinking of abandoning the Christmas push pretty much altogether. There's a decent chance that Mrs Brown's Boys will see most of what was pencilled in as Doctor Who's advertising budget
No.3711
and I find it odd that you've went from worried fan to guy who now works in television.
>>3710Like this, sounds like bullshit. You keep changing what you do for a living. Now you freelance viral market? How would a freelance viral marketer have access to anything of this grave importance?
No.3712
>>3710Why is BBC so awful?
No.3713
>>3710Sounds like the opposite of what they should be doing if they want to help the show but okay
No.3714
Reminder that this anon is the hero who saved /doctorwho/.
No.3715
No.3716
>>3714All because I said Nationalism was for idiots. What an asshole.
No.3718
>>3716he's the hero that we deserve, but not the one we need right now
No.3719
>>3705I'm taking into account BBC reach figures
>>3709The figures aren't usually publicly available, and only leak occasionally. Only Deep Breath has it's Live +7 readily available this series so far. I could be in serious shit if I let any sensitive info out. But the Live +7s (and the global reach, funnily enough) are decidedly down.
Global reach by 17% on last series.
>>3711I work in television and am a worried fan at the same time. I'm not the guy who started this conversation by the way, I weighed in because I know this stuff.
I haven't changed anything, the first time I mentioned by job, I mentioned advertising.
I've worked in television and media for 25 years. I started as a journalist, before getting a gig in a marketing group.
As I gained industry experience, I moved to a company that worked with the ratings figures. Many of my colleagues now work in BARB.
I then left to do freelance work. This includes analysis of ratings and trends for BBC and Channel 4, and I've been hired for various viral marketing jobs due to my experience in journalism and television advertising.
This is where I've learned this stuff.
No.3720
If the show ever gets cancelled again will we get another book series like the VNAs or will it fade into obscurity?
No.3722
Reminder that sound webms are based
No.3723
>>3719Seeing as this is the internet and… no, I'll make this short and don't take this as me being an asshole. I just don't trust anyone when they say they have privileged information or work in a position that gains them that access. Just what I've learned in my time on the net and dealing with people who say they know details that they can't show.
I'm sorry and it's no slight to you… it's just how it is. If there's a problem, when it happens it'll happen.
Again, no offense. You just have to understand that shit like this can easily be made up by anyone dedicated enough.
No.3724
Reminder that otters
No.3725
No.3726
>>3712>>3713If their main focus was keeping Doctor Who alive, then yes, this is the opposite of what they should be doing. But the BBC are going through cuts after cuts, and making successful and well received television comes before the need to keep Doctor Who alive.
If they feel that Doctor Who would require too much money to keep as a hit, they'll pull back. And then, if this pull back (which we are already seeing) continues, and results in a further loss of figures (just so I don't sound too doom-y, this would have to be a huge loss) Doctor Who could be cut, or cancelled.
This is extremely unlikely, and Doctor Who is safe on our screens for now, but the BBC aren't thrilled with it's current performance, and may start that further pull back of time and money, which will negatively affect the show
No.3728
>>3719Does your uncle work at Nintendo?
No.3729
>>3723Yeah I get it, no hard feelings mate.
I just thought some insight would be useful, seeing as this conversation started, and I know quite a bit about how this all works.
I'm telling the truth (not that will change your mind, and I don't expect it too), but ah well
No.3730
>>3726Dude, you're totally fearmongering. Every post you make, the situation escalates.
No.3731
>>3730Hang on, that was me trying not to escalate things.
I didn't make any big claims in that post, that's all common sense and well known information.
I even said that Doctor Who is safe, and would require a huge disaster to be cancelled soon, but I'm being realistic
No.3733
No.3734
>>3731From my POV, that's not how it came off. If you say so though, dude.
No.3735
Nine would probably shit his pants due to PTSD if he came to this place.
No.3736
/who/ are going to be shitpostiing
No.3737
Is 11 the luckiest Doctor?
>a few hundred years whizzing around doing his usual thing
>a thousand years on Trenzalore in Time War 2.0
>dies of old age
meanwhile with 10
>four years
>has to regenerate twice
No.3738
>>3736Thats because they are obsessed with other boards. Leave them be
No.3739
>>3737Thanks RTD and his genius plan that the Doctor live one year for each real life year
No.3740
No.3741
>>3734Look, I can see that this isn't a discussion that's gonna work out.
Whether or not anyone believes me, the issue is that Doctor Who simply isn't being supported by the BBC the same way it once was. It just doesn't have the same machine behind advertising and marketing as it did, and that makes me sad a little
No.3742
>>3739That was really fucking ReTarDed
No.3743
>>3741Like I said, until WE start seeing shit go south… there's no need to worry. I refuse to scream that the sky is falling, even IF you claim to have insider information.
No.3744
I haven't been here in a while but has this place really gone to hell this hard? It's reached the point where someone from /who/ is pretending to be from the industry and laughing while you bumheads actually argue with them and stuff. I find it really sad since there were initially ideas floating around of this being /who/'s own free space, but now it's some kind of redheaded stepchild. Why?
No.3745
>>3739It's funny, as a kid at the time, I thought that was really cool
Now I realise it was just stupid
No.3746
>>3736The BBC isn't as strong as it used to be.
No.3747
>>3741Hey m8, you should probably go back and keep the /who/ thread alive
No.3748
>>3741You already revealed on /who/ you were a troll.
Nice try though.
No.3749
>>3744Wait, what the fuck are you talking about? The dude I've been arguing is on /who/ right now or something?
>>3748Yay. I wasted my time responding. FUCK YOU for making me talk about this shit with you.
No.3750
>>3743And that's great, I've had enough of "the sky is falling" shit on GallifreyBase.
But it's plain to see from the amount of advertising that Doctor Who isn't being supported in the same way. That's not insider information, that's just what the guy who brought this up said.
No.3751
>>3750You already revealed on /who/ you were a troll.
Nice try though.
No.3752
>>3749I'm not from /who/ though. I haven't even had their thread open
No.3753
>>3749>The dude I've been arguing is on /who/ right now or something?Uh huh honey.
No.3754
>>3751No, I haven't.
I have a feeling that you're the /who/ troll here, trying to shit on discussion. I didn't even start the fucking conversation, and I definitely haven't posted on /who.
No.3755
>>3753That's not me. That's the actual /who/ trolling. Seriously, it would be pretty fucking stupid to brag on /who/, seeing as I presume most people here still look there
No.3756
>>3753Do these assholes have nothing better to do? They have /who/ what more do they want?
>>3752>>3754You were found out and now you're calling US the trolls? Seriously dude? Fuck off.
No.3757
>>3753>they think the show is going to be cancelledwe think the exact opposite kek
No.3758
>>3756I'm banned from fucking 4chan you gullible twonk
No.3759
This was a pretty damn good special.
No.3760
>>3757That's what I don't get. I specifically told him that I wasn't worried.
>>3758You can stop responding to me now. Go back to /who/.
No.3761
>>3756I think the guy on /who/ is trolling by pretending to be
>>3755I mean, no one would be that dumb to actually think people don't use both
No.3762
>>3759What if the made a special like this for each Doctor, would it work?
No.3763
>>3761Some people are fucking idiots. People who troll usually fall into that category.
No.3764
>>3760Exactly. You don't get it because it doesn't make sense.
I'm banned from /who/
No.3765
>>3760Nobody on /who/ is going to check 8chan to see if his claims are true for fear of giving 8chan revenue from advertising.
They'll just assume it's true and we've been le epik rused :^)
No.3766
>>3762As long as that dude from that special doesn't play Pat. Fuck he was horrible.
No.3767
>>3762Could be interesting.
It was special because it was not only the First Doctor, but the beginning of the show as well.
No.3768
>>3755/who/ here
This guy is bragging about his ebin ruse
No.3769
File: 1413850233440.png (1.13 MB, 1024x2639, 1024:2639, am_i_a_good_man_by_ohmygid….png)
No.3770
>>3766The guy who played Pat played him terribly. He didn't even look or behave like him. Way too young and looked like a woman.
No.3771
>>3763Fuck you you gullible shit. That's how /who/ trolls you. I'm here to make this /doctorwho/ shit work
No.3772
>>3770He was also 2 feet tall. Seriously, why did they cast someone with a boyish face?
No.3773
>>3772Manlets, when will they ever learn?
No.3774
>>3767There were drama around most Doctors runs, like Patrick being real tired at the end of his, and the show almost being canceled again.
Small budget during Jons era
Toms era is sevens years of drama
I dont know much about Peters era though, although I guess it could focus on JNT
Colin and Sylvester are obvious the cancelation of the show
Paul is about the wildernes years and the movie
Christopher is the ressurection of the show
No.3775
No.3776
>>3771I don't know who's trolling who anymore
No.3777
>>3776I'm staying out of this bullshit. Best to just ignore and move on.
No.3779
>>3777You are literally cancer
No.3780
reminder that sound
No.3781
>>3777Fuck you. Last time I actually try to have a geniune discussion with you.
No.3782
I thought /doctorwho/ was supposed to be comfy
No.3783
>>3782Just an unfortunate hiccup
No.3784
No.3785
>>3781You know what would help? If you stop fucking talking about it. If I can move on, you should too. If you're telling the truth… then just leave it alone. If this was a misunderstanding I'm sorry. Seriously. I'm truly sorry.
No.3786
>>3782It was, and we had some reasonable discussion, but then one troll on /who/ pretending that I was actually bullshitting, fucked it up
No.3787
>>3780I finished watching Seven.
I fucking love him.
No.3788
>>3785Fair enough. I'll leave it. Thanks mate.
Ignore that:
>>3786 No.3789
Is the autism over? Is it safe to come out?
No.3790
Right, let's move on from this.
How do we think this series ranks when compared, not just with NuWho, but with the whole show
No.3791
>>3788It just puts me on edge. Hopefully they leave us alone.
>>3789I hope so.
No.3792
>>3790I'm shit with classic seasons, so I'm not really sure what is where.
I think Series 8 ranks up pretty high with the rest of the top seasons though.
No.3793
>>3789It's /doctorwho/, it'll never be over. It's either arguments or circlejerk.
I'm seriously loving the gifs and webms, though. Keep em coming.
No.3794
>>3790It's pretty strong and to be completely honest I didn't even hate Kill the Moon. It had problems, but ones I could overlook. This has been the strongest series of NuWho, that's for sure… at least for now.
Not sure if I can put it up against Classic though. Feels like a different beast AND the different format of everything being 3-4 parters makes it harder.
No.3795
>>3791Ugh, look at this shit.
Let's stay bigger than this.
Sorry for snapping a bit mate
No.3796
>>3793>it's either arguments or circlejerksounds like a typical mongolian imageboard
No.3797
>>3795Good thing he was only pretending to be retarded
No.3798
Doctor action scenes are always fun and super unexpected.
No.3799
>>3794I really liked Kill the Moon. I thought it was great.
This series has overtaken 5 as the best for me.
I do series averages based on story ratings, so I can compare everything with Classic. Series 8 tops the pile for me
No.3800
>>3787Read the VNAs.
Its where the story continues.
They really develop his character.
No.3801
>>3790It's up there with the best of them I reckon
No.3802
>>3795Sorry too dude. It got a little heated for a bit.
No.3803
Reminder that what the fuck is this scene.
No.3804
>>3800I am curious about reading them.
I'm also a huge fan of Big Finish. I assume there are massive continuity inconsistencies between them?
No.3805
>>3803I wanna see Capaldi do that.
No.3806
>>3803what the fuck, what serial is this?
No.3807
The more I think about it, the more I think the cancellation troll actually has some good points … 10 is like 4 for Classic, except they wizened up a little bit and basically made 11 his carbon copy. Now they're gone, the writers are experimenting with 12, and I'm afraid that it's gonna go downhill from here, just like 80s Who. Maybe it'll take longer, and I suppose there's a better chance of it surviving, but …
No.3808
>>3803It gets me every time
No.3809
>>3806The Power Of Kroll Part 3
Its so fucking weird.
No.3810
>>3802No bother.
>>3790I think it's brilliant. Quality stuff
No.3811
>>3803I just tried to download this, but it saved as a jpg
What the hell 8chan
No.3812
>>3807The 80s didnt have the internet, and Doctor Who wasnt a world wide phenomenon
No.3813
>>380712 is literally 6 times 2Not that I think the show's going any time soon.
No.3814
>>3809I haven't make it past Tom Baker's 4th season. That looks insane
No.3815
No.3816
that troll backfired
we are now more active than ever lel
No.3817
>>3807It's too much of a global phenomenon now. I think NuWho has made a much deeper impact
No.3818
No.3819
>>3803No need for a sonic screwdriver anymore.
No.3820
>>3812>>3817The BBC is run by British taxpayer dollars, though. And if it's not doing it in the UK, then why keep the show?
>>3813Well they won't make 12 force-regenerate, at least. Or?
>tfw Missy is the RaniAt least BBC America will probably keep doing reruns for years to come, like they do for TNG
No.3821
No.3822
No.3824
>>3807>except they wizened up a little bit and basically made 11 his carbon copy.This is such revisionist tosh. No-one thought this before Capaldi was cast, 10 was the cool and suave humanised Doctor while 11 was the completely off-kilter and senile one by comparison.
No.3825
>>3820It's doing more than enough at the moment. Although some of the worries upthread aren't unfounded, even the insider-claim-guy said that it would take something hugely disastrous for cancellation
No.3826
No.3827
>>3824THIS.
I hate people lumping 11 in with 10. 10 was the human one, while 11 was definitely an ancient alien
No.3828
>>3826Sorry, it's a webm from the Dark Ages
No.3829
No.3830
No.3831
Is there any chance of getting full classic episodes into webMs? Or even into a few in one thread
No.3833
>>3829I never wanted to see that
No.3834
>>3831I guess we could do a story time type thread with two minutes webm of a classic serial.
Ten webm for each episode would work
No.3835
>>3822Why did you post this again?
>>3824>>3827I suppose that was a little harsh, yes, but you can't deny that they're very similar. The writers explicitly, specifically chose his actor and personality in order to make the transition easier for the vast masses of 10 fans. He had very little character development, comparatively; he was born fully fledged in "The Eleventh Hour", all "I am the Doctor" over and over again
>>3825Yeah, well, with the increasing internet piracy and dropping ratings …
I personally think TV is a relic from the past, it's good the internet is taking over. Long overdue. But I'm not sure how the BBC will react.
>>3829>crossposting webms from /who/There's really no need, we're all on both
No.3836
>>3831No.
3 minutes of an episode at 300x300 is already about 5MB which is the limit.
Unless the owner of the site changes the limit.
No.3837
>>3836I doubt he will. He's under quarterchan's thumb now.
No.3838
>>3829Colin is the biggest player of them all
what a sexy beast
No.3839
>>3834Would that functionally work? Or should we try some streams eventually?
>>3836ah well
No.3840
>>3836I remember hotwheels saying he upped it to 8mb on /meta/
not sure if he reversed it or not
No.3841
Rose LOVED DRUGS
No.3842
>>3835Some of that quirky stuff worked for the 10 crowd, but in terms of character and performance, he was very different.
Moffat's Doctor writing was streets ahead of Davies
No.3843
>>3841basement mcgann anon?
No.3844
>>3829No Colin! She's not a pie!
No.3845
>>3844He does look really hungry
No.3846
>>3842Meh
10 is probably my favorite Doctor
No.3847
No.3849
>>3846He ranks close to the bottom for me. Nothing against Tennant, who was a fantastic actor, and when his Doctor was good, he was amazing, but some of the character decisions and inconsistencies really infuriate me.
No.3850
>>3844I don't mean anything by it, but I'm just wondering why you've decided to carry the trip here
No.3851
No.3852
>>3849Yknow, I don't get why people hate on 10. He's got fantastic character development. Think about it. He started out as a man full of hope and love - and tries to remain as such - but has it stripped slowly away from him, beginning almost immediately when Harriet Jones commits an act of genocide right in front of him. From there, he
>loses the woman he loves>hurts one of his dearest friends (and inadvertently gets her family enslaved)>finds another Time Lord and his own daughter - only to have both die in his arms>and then he has to violate the mind of his best friend to save her life.This leaves him alone, angry, bitter, and leads to him breaking the laws of time and forcing a woman to commit suicide to clean up his mess. And when faced with the end of his existence, he rages against an unfair universe that has taken everything away from him and given him nothing in return.
Not to mention his half regeneration. In that experience, he experienced the absolute and total, mind-ripping pain of regeneration that usually gets forgotten in the chaos of readjustment. Of course he was scared about regenerating; of course he could give a lucid account of the pain to Wilf. He knew, more than any Doctor before him. Because he survived.
Tennant suffered from shitty scripts that drag down the value of his many great ones, and he had the unfortunate consequence of attracting gaggles of preteen girls to Doctor Who, but he's a real bro and is a lifelong fan of the show.
Say what you want about Tennant, but I thought he played a fantastic Doctor. I like him for a lot of the same reasons as I like 12 - fantastic actor; lifelong fan of the show; and great character development for his Doctor. He'll always be one of my favorites.
No.3853
Hey guys remember that time in series 7 the TARDIS got hijacked by space niggers?
No.3854
>>3849Same here. When Ten was at his best he was fucking brilliant.
He was so fucking inconsistent that it really hurt his character in my opinion.
No.3855
>>3849But he's the man who never would apart from those times where he definitely would, and worse, and also no second chances apart from all the second chances and time lord victorious except lol end of time and everyone is so important you beautiful humans I'm the Doctor fuck you Wilf you shit old man I hope you die I don't want to go
No.3856
>>3850No reason really. I mean, I was tripless on 4chan for years. It's my Bleeding Cool username, so I figured why the hell not.
No.3857
>>3853but anon das wayciss!
>>3852nice pasta
No.3858
>>3852Right. The problem with that is that what you've described takes the form of one big sad thing happening to him once or twice a series, until his last few episodes where he's hit the limit. It's more of a logic for explaining his behaviour in his last few episodes, and it works fairly well, but when you talk about 'fantastic character development' you have to account for all of the episodes inbetween.
If 10 was really a well-developed character, you would be able to see a clear and fairly consistent character building up, changing and becoming more nuanced/flawed over the course of his run. What they actually did, for the most part, was write whatever would make Tennant's Doctor seem the most fun/tragic/"wonderful" at any moment in time, and then have something really sad happen to him at the end of each series finale (RIP Donna, you were arbitrarily sacrificed to the Ten angstfest). This is how you get weird inconsistencies like the whole no second chances business or throwing the Family in eternal hell followed by I forgive you Master come gimme a hug, also I never would and fuck you for blowing up the Daleks.
No.3859
>>3853The proper term is PE Teachers.
No.3860
>>3855He was only the man who never would when Donna was around. I think the authors made it pretty obvious that his companions were holding him back. That's why it's so dangerous for him to travel alone, as was repeatedly emphasized.
No.3862
>>3854I think Girl in the Fireplace, and Silence in the Library are 10 done just right.
TGitF has just the right balance of that more human, romantic adventurer side (which can work, just look at 8) and the more Doctorish aspects.
Midnight is another good example of how the character can work, by subverting the tropes.
Unfortunately, he really got shit on elsewhere
No.3863
>>3856Fair enough I suppose
No.3865
>>3860Having a companion didn't stop him from brutally torturing the Family of Blood though.
As much as I love that story, and Tennant is superb, that is possibly the most unDoctory thing ever done
No.3866
>>38651 laughed in gleeful insane delight as Rome and its people burned to death in front of his eyes.
No.3867
>>3852this pasta is just stupid, and explains fuck all. He got no character development. These character descriptions apply to 8, but not really 10.
No.3868
No.3869
>>3865Martha didn't stop him, and he never really liked her in the first place - she didn't have that sort of effect on him. Contrast with Donna, his best friend: she snapped him out of it while he was genociding the Racnoss, and he was as a whole really good when she was around. "The man who never would" and all (though that was really just to establish that civilization with a working ethics; far more utilitarian than presented). 10 was possessed with an epic moral struggle, and that makes him one of the most tragic Doctors in my eyes.
No.3870
>>3865didn't 6 choke a man to death?
No.3871
>>3865That was a 7 story.
I don't get why they adapted it for 10.
Would have been a great capaldi though.
No.3872
>>3866Yes, but 1 hadn't really grown into what defines the Doctor by then, I think that's an unfair comparison. 1 had great development, and that shows a side to him that definitely faded and never came back
No.3873
>>3869Your just coming up with bullshit and headcanons to try and fix the shitty inconsistent character development.
No.3874
>>3872>1 hadn't really grown into what defines the Doctor by thenSo basically excuses is what you're saying
No.3875
>>3872What about 7 pushing two dudes into acid…
No.3876
No.3877
>I was only 14 years old
>I loved the Tenth Doctor so much, I had all the merchandise and episodes
>I pray to Ten every night before bed, thanking him for the life I've been given
>"Ten is love" I say; "Ten is life"
>/doctorwho/ reads my blog and they call me a faggot
>I know they are just jealous of my devotion for based Ten
>I called then a bunch of racist shitlords
>They shitpost on my tumblr and send me to go to sleep
>I'm crying now, and my face hurts
>I lay in my TARDIS-inspired bed and it's really cold
>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me
>It's Ten
>I am so happy
>He whispers into my ear "Always bring a banana to a party."
>He grabs me with his powerful Timelord hands and puts me down onto my hands and knees
>I'm ready
>I spread my ass-cheeks for Ten
>He penetrates my butt-hole with his Sonic Dildo
>It hurts so much but I do it for Ten
>I can feel my butt tearing as my eyes start to water
>I push against his force
>I want to please Ten
>He roars in a mighty roar "Allons-y!" as he fills my butt with his regeneration energy
>My dad walks in
>Ten looks him straight in the eyes and says "I don't want to go."
>Ten leaves through my window and hops into the TARDIS
>Ten is love. Ten is life.
No.3878
>>3869I can see how most of the "tragic figure" stuff works, and I used to argue for it, but some of that writing is just inconsistent episode to episode.
He's willing to sacrifice him self several times to save lives (which is a very Doctorish trait) and then bitches at Wilf at the end?
No.3879
>>3876Yeah, fucking tablet typing sucks.
No.3880
>>3829>Colin and Nicola have kissed for the sake of artSuddenly I view them in a subtly different light.
No.3881
>>3875It was 6, and he really didn't. One was trying to push him in, and the Doctor was fighting for his life, and the other guy was dragged in by the first.
Fighting for your life is very different to just torturing someone you've already beaten, for the craic
No.3882
>>3881I think you're making excuses.
No.3883
No.3884
I can't believe we have people on /doctorwho/ arguing for a moral Doctor archetype. I mean, have you not seen Flatline
>You were an exceptional Doctor. Goodness has nothing to do with it.
fucking dropped
No.3885
>>3874Not at all. I don't see why anyone could use Early 1 as a comparison to later Doctors, just like there are flaws with holding post-Time War Doctors to the same standards of pre-Time War Doctors.
Also, when comparing, the different incarnations reacted very differently to things and can't really be held to the same standard.
However, 10 has these inconsistencies within his own incarnation, which isn't growth or development, just bad writing
No.3886
>>3882I think you're making excuses the other way. The inconsistencies are within 10s own incarnation
No.3887
Eight spinoff when
No.3888
No.3889
>>3886I know 10 is inconsistent. He's written like a bipolar maniac. I just think your idea that the Doctor has never been violent or cruel makes no sense.
No.3890
>>3884That still doesn't explain crazy different character reactions/actions/behaviour of the one incarnation.
I'm not pissed at the writing just because I think the bitch fit at Wilf was unDoctory, but because sacrificing himself for humans was something that 10 was previously written as doing easily. Just look at the end of the Poison Sky, when he is willing to die saving everyone. No bitch fit then
No.3892
No.3893
>>3889>Never cruel or cowardlydropped
No.3894
No.3895
I don't get why people hate on 5. He's got fantastic character development. Think about it . He also started out as a man full of love and hope, but many of his companions either died or left on less than ideal terms and as his run went on the moments of despair became more frequent (the end of Warriors of the Deep, thinking he had lost the TARDIS forever in Frontios) until by the second half of season 21 he had become a pretty hardened, ruthless motherfucker, different from the happy-go-lucky Doctor seen at the beginning of season 19. He came this close to actually killing Davros, he actually let the Master burn and of course all this comes to a boil in The Caves of Androzani where we see just how determined the Doctor is not to lose anyone else. He'll go to any lengths to save someone he just met because he owes it to her since he's the one who got her into this. It's like he's redeeming himself for all the failures throughout his life and that's why when he regenerates he sees all his past companions willing him to live.
This post started as modified pasta but then turned into something serious.
No.3896
>>38933 would slap their shit and 7 would say he planned it.
No.3897
>>3895I think this is valid, but only because of Caves of Androzani.
Five can be so bland, and blase about the loss of that family, but Caves really makes it all work.
Robert Holmes understood the Doctor like maybe only Moffat has since.
No.3899
>>3890I thought it was pretty damn obvious that 10 was manipulating the hell out of everyone in that.
>leaving Martha in the sex basement so her clone can stop the nukes>locking Donna in the Tardis so she can open up the transport>dropping all the right hints so the genocidal supergenius will blow up the Sontarans No.3900
>>3889There are inherent qualities that the Doctor tried to adhere too, like the never cruel or cowardly thing. So much so that he dropped the name of the Doctor when he felt he couldn't live up to it.
10 in particular is written often as an especially pacifist Doctor, and yes this is at odds with some early stuff, but that's okay, the Time War changed him. But when the writing breaks it's own character rules, that's a problem
No.3901
>>3899That's a reading that makes 10s character seriously unstable and borderline evil. There's no way that was the intention. Davies' and Gardener's intentions for 10 were pretty clear, there's no way that's what was intended
No.3902
>>3901Considering some of the stuff 10 did like drowning babies and imprisoning people in eternal prisons I wouldnt put that beneath him.
No.3903
Ten's "no second chances" attitude was pretty consistent in series 2. Remember him telling the Crillitane or however the fuck it's spelled in School Reunion "I used to have so much mercy. You get one warning." It wasn't until series 3 that they started to fuck it up with stuff like forgiving the Master.
No.3904
>>3884Never cruel or cowardly
It's literally the closest we have to a rule
No.3906
>>3901>That's a reading that makes 10s character seriously unstable and borderline evil.… And this contradicts canon how?
>There's no way that was the intention.http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthorDamn, this board is suddenly hella uncomfy. See you all on /who/
No.3907
>>3903I used to have so much mercy!
No.3908
>>3902That's the problem. That stuff was written alongside the "I'm so sorry" shit
No.3909
>>3905I don't know what you mean
No.3911
New thread when?
No.3912
>>3909Sorry, didn't mean to reply to you.
No.3913
No.3917
>>3906Because he's definitely not written as unstable or evil. He spends series two having a space romance with Rose. He's the beautiful lonely angel. He's the "stuff of legend". He the man filled with love and compassion.
Uncomfy? It's just discussion man