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File: b4e83423219ad71⋯.gif (31.06 KB, 172x214, 86:107, Colin.gif)

 No.40923

threads should be made at 750 edition

previous: >>40181

 No.40928

First for Zombo


 No.40929

File: 07e48672fd1dc0b⋯.png (34.23 KB, 600x602, 300:301, 1526935723202.png)

Legendary /who/ moments


 No.40931

HE KNOWS


 No.40932

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 No.40934

File: d7c1288e80f7e54⋯.jpg (35.42 KB, 350x350, 1:1, 1527654068668.jpg)

>twitch chat culture


 No.40936

The only thing sadder than Ian and Barbara leaving would be if one of them had left before the other.


 No.40941

I can’t wait to see my favourite companion Polly in the stream


 No.40943

>>40936

>Barbara dies

>Ian just stays in bed

Then about 300 years later Leela would find a single skeleton in a bed because 1 had Alzheimer's and forgot about Chunderfeld completely.


 No.40944


 No.40945

File: 8edee7661cf14e4⋯.png (583.63 KB, 755x745, 151:149, ye.png)

so what's the status of cats' little bet?


 No.40946

>>40945

looks like cats is going afk for a month lmfao


 No.40951

>>40946

Hi honey!


 No.40953

File: d62222dd3e567c5⋯.png (395.61 KB, 1248x696, 52:29, Screen Shot 2018-06-02 at ….png)

wait hol up there's an official version of the new logo stacked?


 No.40954

Working on the wedding invitations as we speak! ;)


 No.40955

The people who are opposed to Twitch chat seem to fundamentally misunderstand its purpose. If you view the chat as a method of communication between viewers, you're obviously going to be disappointed/overwhelmed.

Chat is a form of expressing the general emotion of a large group of people, it serves the same function as applause. You don't sit in a theatre and complain about how you can't keep up with the thoughts of every individual member of the audience, you just accept basic facts such as "applause = good" and "booing = bad" and enjoy what you're watching and the energetic atmosphere you're watching it in.


 No.40956

looks like kinda is going afk for half an hour or so kek


 No.40957

>>40956

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


 No.40958

>>40955

What do you mean by "opposed"? Are you referring to people like me who've said they're not a personal fan of chats like that?


 No.40959

>>40955

Ever considered that people dislike the Twitch chat because Twitch culture is toxic, frequently racist, misogynistic, and transphobic - moreso than /who/ at it's worst - and the people using the chat tend to have awful opinions on Doctor Who?


 No.40960

>>40958

25/23 year old boomer


 No.40961

>>40955

the issue isn't that it isn't an effective means of having a discussion

the issue is that the meme culture is low brow and mind numbing


 No.40962

my spine just made the most gross cracking sound I've heard in years and I really wish everyone had heard it, it was almost comical


 No.40963

>>40962

Imagine if you'd managed to record it and it could've been a sound effect in the Foreman audio!


 No.40964

>>40958

Mostly I mean the people who are a bit more negative about their opinion of chat than you, but yeah I think you could be expecting the wrong thing from chat too.

"Chat" is a misnomer, really it's a crowd.

>>40959

>Ever considered that people dislike the Twitch chat because Twitch culture is toxic, frequently racist, misogynistic, and transphobic

Yeah, the person who keeps spamming "Twitchfag" whenever people talk about enjoying the stream does it because they're just so Woke lmao

>>40961

Are you talking about chat or /who/?


 No.40965

>>40963

I can repeatedly click/crack bones in both my hands and toes.


 No.40966

>>40964

>Yeah, the person who keeps spamming "Twitchfag" whenever people talk about enjoying the stream does it because they're just so Woke lmao

You assume that only one person dislikes the Twitch stream. How naive.


 No.40967

When I stand up my legs sometimes crack


 No.40968

twitch chat culture feels like a bunch of 20 year olds with their in jokes and I'm just a few years too old to be interested in it


 No.40969

>>40961

>the issue is that the meme culture is low brow and mind numbing

Where do you think you are?


 No.40970

>>40964

>Yeah, the person who keeps spamming "Twitchfag" whenever people talk about enjoying the stream does it because they're just so Woke lmao

What if they're gay? Not that Nilso appears to be opposed to the Twitch but you never know…


 No.40971

>>40964

But all I've done is express my personal distaste for it. I think it's more than slightly condescending to imply that these opinions are born out of misunderstanding rather than a personal viewpoint just as valid as yours. I understand the structure of a Twitch chat perfectly well - and I don't particularly like it. That doesn't make me misinformed or clueless, it simply makes me someone with a different opinion than you.


 No.40972

>>40967

I feel like I know her, but sometimes by arms bend back


 No.40973

The problem with the Twitch stream is the crowd, if I wanted to watch a movie at the cinema it would be better with less people same for Doctor Who episodes on the stream. I'm not going to join the Twitch chat when I can just watch the episodes alone.


 No.40974

>Neo doing the double age thing in an attempt to appear quirky and interesting because he probably has very little else going on in his life


 No.40975

>>40966

>You assume that only one person dislikes the Twitch stream

Obviously I don't, since I plural in my first post.

>>40968

>twitch chat culture feels like a bunch of 20 year olds with their in jokes

Are you intentionally saying things that could apply to /who/ just as well as twitch chat, to make a point?

>>40971

Yeah like I said, I wasn't really addressing you specifically, bud. Your mild post just reminded me of all the anons who are extremely against chat.


 No.40976

>>40975

the average age of a /who/re is older than the average age of a twitch user


 No.40977

>>40973

You can turn the chat off and just talk here if you want. I wouldn't recommend using the stream as your first viewing of a particular episode, to be honest, but this is a new, fresh and exciting way to re-experience episodes you are already familiar with by proxy of the twitch chat. There's something powerful about experiencing the reactions of thousands of other people, especially when they are typically so uniform, and when they seem to get excited by the littlest things.

It's the closest we'll ever get to seeing Star Wars in the theater in 1977 and feeling the waves of applause and jubilation as Han Solo returns to help Luke with the Death Star run.


 No.40978

Nilso caping for the Twitch in the thread.


 No.40979

>>40977

I understand why people like the stream it's just not for me, I much prefer choosing the episodes I watch


 No.40980

>>40974

The man lives abroad teaching English. He certainly has more going on in his life than you do.


 No.40981

nilsos jubilant


 No.40982

The stream is 6k Doctor Who fans LARPing as if it’s their first time watching the episode


 No.40983

>>40980

>The man lives abroad

Everyone lives abroad from somebody's perspective


 No.40984

>>40934

>thinking 8ch culture is any better


 No.40985

>>40983

Abroad from where he was born you fucking pedant.


 No.40986

>>40973

>>40979

That's valid. Some people don't like audiences clapping at the cinema either. People who just personally don't get anything out of Twitch's crowd element, like our good friend Neo, are understandable. It's the anons who seem furious that twitch isn't what they want it to be that are a bit silly imo.


 No.40987

>>40985

What's so interesting about that? After a couple of months you just live there and it's no longer "abroad"


 No.40988

>>40975

Nilso, I'm appalled by this divisive rhetoric you're splitting the thread with, and am going to unleash all the hostility I can muster at you. Buckle up.

>>40977

>I wouldn't recommend using the stream as your first viewing of a particular episode, to be honest

To be fair these are the proper, most recent scans found on the DVDs, which means they are certainly much better to watch than the links on the google drive / the most common torrents / some other streaming services / other common ways to watch Classic Who. Whether people have the chat on or off, in terms of the actual video, these are a great way to watch the episodes.

>>40986

The real question is, do you clap for the stream?


 No.40989

>>40983

Whoa.


 No.40990

>>40987

t. someone who has never lived abroad


 No.40991

This is a pretty rad design, I have to say. It doesn't look like it's from Doctor Who to normie eyes, it just looks like a pretty cool logo.

https://www.redbubble.com/people/claytonhickman/works/28328773-vetoed?c=787361-first-doctor


 No.40992

>>40991

it looks like some smug leftist anti-GOP shirt


 No.40993

Requesting some Jodie as 13 gifs (like from set, not trailers, cheers.


 No.40994

Neo doesn't care about the "crowd element" of Twitch because he's a social butterfly and watching things with other people isn't some alien, interesting experience for him.


 No.40995

>>40982

I've never seen The Sensorites, Planet of Giants, The Web Planet or the Space Museum until this week.


 No.40996

>>40987

it takes years to stop feeling like you're not abroad


 No.40997

>>40995

What did you think of The Web Planet? Had you heard much about it beforehand?


 No.40998

>Clayton sells SPLINK shirts

https://www.redbubble.com/people/claytonhickman/works/29931833-that-splinking-feeling?c=787360-third-doctor

>>40992

I guess the Elephant might give you that impression (that's the symbol of the American Republic Party, right? t. Brit), to me it looks like that OBEY shit that was popular a couple of years ago


 No.40999

>>40997

I knew it was silly, but I didn't know it was THAT silly. Even though I rated it a 3/10 I enjoyed myself immensely. It was like being in a 6,000 person strong hallucination. Check Claudia's twitter for some golden opinions.

Everyone was completely zonked because the bloody stream was something like 4 hours late.


 No.41000

>>40999

*golden reactions


 No.41001

>>40999

How did they fuck up so badly on the day everyone’s been looking forward to? Surely they know London 1965 is popular in the chat


 No.41002

>>40999

>Claudia

? The star from Channel 5? She's watching the DW stream??


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 No.41004

>>41002

she got to the end of The Web Planet and almost offed herself


 No.41005

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>>40988

>The real question is, do you clap for the stream?

You just made me realise that the example I was using was clapping in the cinema, which is something I have never, and will never, do. I guess I swallowed the americlap meme.

I should've said laughing or something.

>>40993

Requesting Jodie pics in general, my 13 folder is quite small.


 No.41006

File: b93057459c8c0c0⋯.png (3.86 MB, 1311x1683, 437:561, best shot.png)

File: d029f09e13d0584⋯.jpg (45.01 KB, 731x720, 731:720, with a fan.jpg)


 No.41007

nilso i really love you but it's time for us to stop. we can't go on in secret like this


 No.41008

>>41003

I imagine Domain of the Voord would be a few steps too far even for the Twitchstream.

>>41005

Some of the yanks I saw TLJ with here clapped at the end. It was like seeing a giraffe in its natural habitat; I always knew they were real, but to actually see them giraffing around, in the flesh…extraordinary.


 No.41009

File: 1fff6527b16db59⋯.png (2.62 MB, 1417x1417, 1:1, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.41010

if god had wanted us to fly, he would have given us wings, Mr Nilso


 No.41011

>>41008

Clapping at the cinema is one thing, but clapping at The Last Jedi?! Jesus Christ, Americans really are brainless


 No.41012

WHO THE FUCK ARE THEY CLAPPING FOR


 No.41013

>>41008

did you ask them who they were clapping for?


 No.41014

>>41012

Nilso


 No.41015

>>41011

Meanwhile, Koreans don't clap but they do get animated now and again, there was great amusement at the very-much-not-Korean-lady mangling Korean in Black Panther. I had a coworker get super crestfallen after being informed there were no Korean aspects to Infinity War either, like there were for Age of Ultron or Black Panther - that stuff really does have an impact on turnout.

>>41013

We all had a good chat about the movie afterwards. I had to watch the movie twice to really wrap my head around what I thought about it honestly.


 No.41016

>>41008

I went to a midnight screening of TLJ and the guy next to me kept slapping his own legs in excitement, it drove me crazy.


 No.41017

>>41012

The projectionist


 No.41018

>>41016

Ever been to a showing completely alone, like there's literally nobody else in the cinema? Peak comfy.


 No.41019

>>41018

my TLJ screening had around 5 other people


 No.41020

At my screening of TLJ nobody clapped, very few people even laughed at any of the shit jokes and nobody gasped at the "shocking" moments. There was some audible "???" at the Holdo sacrifice scene (followed by Rose's "we shouldn't sacrifice ourselves" speech, which is immediately followed by Luke sacrificing himself).

The only other sounds I remember was me turning to my friend after Space Leia and saying "fuck off", and my friend asking why the fuck Yoda was there


 No.41021

>>41020

Should be noted I'm from Scotland where we have a very low tolerance for bullshit


 No.41022

>>41018

I saw the Force Awakens in a small local cinema that had 3 other groups that were all elderly. They were really loud during the bits Leia and Han were onscreen


 No.41023

>>41022

The Force Awakens screening I was in was much louder in general, more laughs. The Rogue One screening featured a dad behind me saying to his son "look! it's Darth Vader!" and the son going "wow!!" which was pretty cute


 No.41024

>>41020

I didn't mind the clapping at the end of my showing, I was glad to see it actually happen once in my life, but one of the girls I saw it with apparently really hated Kylo Ren because she'd literally mutter how much she hated him most times he came on screen. That was irritating. She made to leave her seat at one point even.

There were some "ohs" at the silence in the Holdo sacrifice scene at my viewing come to think of it.


 No.41025

>>41015

>there was great amusement at the very-much-not-Korean-lady mangling Korean in Black Panther

That's great. Theatres experiences that wouldn't happen in any other country are special. Reminds me of watching Django, where the biggest laughs were at the terrible Australian accents.

>>41018

The only time I've been the cinema alone is for TUAT, and that was uncomfortably packed.


 No.41026

File: 93155f372426557⋯.jpg (62.75 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, maxresdefault (7).jpg)

what was your reaction to pic related /who/?


 No.41027


 No.41028

>>41024

She sounds like the people who hate Clara


 No.41029

>>41025

Oh jeez Quentin's accent in Django, kek.


 No.41030

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 No.41031

>>41024

The silence during the Holdo sacrifice was really uncomfortable for me because it's a totally undeserved silence, we've known this character for all of ten minutes, most of us don't like her and then she kills herself. Big woop. It's trying to apply gravitas to a death with no gravity.


 No.41032

>>41026

>It's not destroying what we hate, it's saving what we love!

>It's not a pyramid scheme, it's multi-level marketing!


 No.41033

>>41031

it should have been ackbar


 No.41034

>>41030

Can somebody PLEASE explain what the fuck Rian was thinking with this, and with Luke sacrificing himself RIGHT after Rose's speech, and with her sister sacrificing herself at the beginning of the film? What the fuck is going on? I'd really like to hear a rabid TLJ drone's pseudointellectual defense of this, or something from Rian himself


 No.41035

File: 9b4becf2869ae02⋯.jpg (107.95 KB, 1280x800, 8:5, yukio-deadpool-2-negasonic….jpg)

>>41031

I know how much of a stereotypical Star Warsy opinion this is but imagine if it was Ackbar.

Fun fact: most of Holdo's character was reshoots, she was initially something of a hippie and very flighty, but Rian decided to reconfigure that in the end. I think her and Leia' conversation was from principal photography though since she's kind of ditzy there.


 No.41036

>>41031

I think the silence is meant to be for "woah look at this cool effect that happened because she just light speed rammed the ship", not "this is silent because you should be sad that she died"


 No.41037

>>41033

Ackbar was too respected for the mutiny plot to work, people would just accept that he knew what the fuck he was doing. It should have been Leia, if it had to be anybody.


 No.41038

>>41033

for the inevitable "allahu ackbar" jokes?


 No.41039


 No.41040

>>41034

It's good because it wasn't what you expected. Like, if you asked for a steak and I gave you some mouldy bread, that would actually be a really brilliant meal. If you didn't like the taste, that would just mean you didn't get it.


 No.41041

In terms of modern-day Star Wars, the obvious acid test is "The Last Jedi". We could have predicted that geek-bores of all descriptions would hate it, partly because of its complete lack of po-faced angst and partly because it's actually a competent piece of cinema. No, "competent" does it a disservice: "The Last Jedi" is driven by such a well-timed, well-executed dynamic that you can see the structure of the story even if you turn the sound off [here we pause, briefly, to allow any nerd-scum reading this article to say "well, that would certainly improve the movie, hahahahahahahah… oh, God, I'm so lonely"], and the editing alone should be enough to win awards in a sane world. But even though it's clearly not going to be a hit with sci-fi fans, what I find most striking is the fact that the division is so binary. As far as I'm aware, every single sci-fi fan in the world hates it. And, connected with this but just as odd, everyone I'd consider "interesting" seems to like it. This puzzled me, at first, simply because nothing else I know of has ever caused such a clean division. I've even met interesting Tories in my time, but "The Last Jedi"? Nope, it's straight down the middle. Bores hate it, non-bores don't.


 No.41042

>>41040

this same argument can be used to complain about AD4


 No.41043

>>41040

<This is what Rian Johnsons actually believe


 No.41044

>>41034

Well, anon. Those are two different characters with different personalities. I'm sorry that you believed they would preach the exact same thing.


 No.41045

>>41033

Is there a trip with more stupid opinions than kinda? I think not


 No.41046

>>41035

oh NO neo said it too wtf


 No.41047

>>41044

Rose's speech was clearly supposed to be a message; a message which is directly contradicted elsewhere in the movie


 No.41048

>>40953

Yeah, wild isnt it. It breaks the through line though


 No.41049

You need to let go of the past… until there’s more nostalgia bait


 No.41050

>>41047

But it's not a message. Luke sacrifices himself. Holdo sacrifices herself. It clearly wasn't the message.


 No.41051

>>41042

It could be made for any media that subverts expectations.


 No.41052

>>41035

Neo. What did you think of Memepool 2 did you stay for the mid credits scenes


 No.41053

>>41045

yes anon, what i said would be so much worse than what we actually got.


 No.41054

Doctor Who episodes that subvert your expectations? I’ll start with Colony in Space


 No.41055

>>41049

You need to let go of the past…by championing this movie coasting of the same iconography of decades-old films, that ends with the exact same binary opposition plot dynamic that drove those films.


 No.41056

>>41051

Like Interference? Because that EDA subverted so many expectations.


 No.41057

Is it bad that Solo underperforming at the box office kind of makes me a little hard? Are normalissimos finally waking up to the mistake that is Disney Wars?

I feel bad for Ron Howard being fucked over by Rian Johnson's failure, but I honestly hope they won't continue to sweep everything under the rug, blaming the white-male/alt-right boogeyman for their movie getting a negative reaction, and they'll actually stand back and think about what the fuck they're doing for a moment.

This is only a pipe dream, though


 No.41058

>>41056

And Loz subverted the expectation that Daleks would arrive in Alien Bodies


 No.41059

>>41054

Planet of the Daleks actually DOES subvert your expectations, except probably not deliberately and it's shit either way.

You're expecting this big, epic showdown between The Doctor/Jo and The Master/The Daleks.

Instead, you get… Planet of the Daleks


 No.41060

File: d44d3abee7733ba⋯.jpg (86.87 KB, 522x867, 174:289, 20180416_093949.jpg)

s11 clues


 No.41061

>>41058

Loz also subverted the expectation that The Town Will Never Let Us Go would be primarily be about Faction Paradox instead of people trying to get into the Faction.


 No.41062

Chibnall subverted my expectations that Doctor Who would be fun again


 No.41063

"subverted my expectations" is a shitty meme desu.


 No.41064

>>41060

>is that bigger on the inside too?

oh no is jenna okay?


 No.41065

>>41062

Doctor Who hasnt been fun since the Chase part 1


 No.41066

>Is that bigger on the inside too?

l-lewd!


 No.41067

>>41060

1) No

2) Self-destruct

3) Empty Child 2

4) Daleks

5) The Slyther

6) Written by 90 writers

7) The Doctor's Vagina

8) Regeneration

9) Jingle my balls, the Doctor is male again

10) Is when Series 12 will air


 No.41068

>>41065

Did you skip episode 3?


 No.41069

>>41063

t. Rian Johnson


 No.41070

>>41053

it would. TLJ was a mess and Hondo's subplot was dumb, but how can your little brain even possibly believe that Admiral Memebar could deliver any of her lines and not look like a fucking joke?


 No.41071

>>41069

It is though. It's such a forced meme that people only say because RLM did it. And for people who complain that Star Wars recycles the same things over and over, they do that with RLM references.


 No.41072

>>41070

i was talking about the sacrifice scene specifically. it would have had more weight if it was a character we already knew sacrificing themselves so everyone could escape


 No.41073

File: 1639f842cfdda9d⋯.gif (1.44 MB, 268x268, 1:1, ed9f0961-a3a4-48dc-ae95-75….gif)

File: bfe242e74ca5d1c⋯.gif (1.42 MB, 268x268, 1:1, 4ceb2bbc-3a23-4cd4-97d3-88….gif)


 No.41074

File: daf4846b6a76664⋯.png (346.91 KB, 613x641, 613:641, Screenshot (45).png)

What did he mean by this?


 No.41075

Rank the episodes of the Chase

3>6>1>4>2>5


 No.41076

>>41070

The mutiny subplot should either be removed or massively re-written, and if anybody's going to go out in a blaze of glory and the director expects us to react in any way to it emotionally, it should be an established character who has more than 10 minutes of screentime


 No.41077

File: 2a0dfba7e7ea859⋯.jpg (13.64 KB, 273x366, 91:122, 2a0dfba7e7ea859a1825f06223….jpg)

>>41071

and thats a good thing!


 No.41078

>>41071

>It is though. It's such a forced meme that people only say because RLM did it

Really? I don't watch RLM, but I like the subverted meme


 No.41079

>>41072

Who cares about Admiral Ackbar tho?


 No.41080

>>41068

wait what happens in episode 3? Its been ages since Ive seen it.


 No.41081

>>41079

You'd be surprised, the fact that he is a meme would actually bring some weight to his death, he's a lovable character and recognizable, that's more than enough (especially by nuwars disney standars) to bring out an emotional response in people, it's like a part of your childhood being killed


 No.41082

File: b6779d316cd9abf⋯.png (1.69 MB, 1715x1642, 1715:1642, listing2.png)

>>41055

I know I asked you last thread about who you thought was your favorite/the best, but would you give me your opinion as to who the worst one is?


 No.41083

>>41080

American Not-Steven


 No.41084

>>41081

>it's like a part of your childhood being killed

Yeah, TLJ really is


 No.41085

>>41074

Got second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth-hand embarrassment from this tweet. Last few days have sort of blurred together so I don't really remember tweeting that.


 No.41086

>>41080

New York and the Mary Celeste


 No.41087

>>41054

Tonnes of Moffat's. Basically every second-part of a Moffat two-parter for the first ten minutes.

>>41052

I liked it more than the first one overall. The action was splendid, very kinetic, dynamic…the whole movie was just executed so much better than most capeshit at a formalist level at least. It amuses me how, even all the humour aside, the film is effortlessly such a higher achievement than most capeshit. Notice they beat the MCU and DCEU and whatever else to the punch of having openly gay characters.

That said, it was shaggier than the first, the plot and characters weren't as propulsive, some of the attempts to go sincere were embarrassing, and I remain utterly bewildered that the film didn't do any meta stuff on how it fridged the wife character so much.

I liked a lot of what the film was trying to say, and loved most of how it said it (the X-Force sequence, lots of the Cable stuff, Deadpool's self-destructive setpieces). Loved the midcredits sequences. Wish the Hitler scene had been left in.

>>41057

Anything where people make any sort of stand, intentional or otherwise, implied or otherwise, against such a fucking malignant festering tumour of a company like Disney makes me plenty hard. Disney's SW division deserve every bit of this, and worse. Ron will be fine, he's basically untouchable (reminder his last five films have been flops now but he still gets work juts fine) and everyone knows he was just a director-for-hire to clean up the mess and get the film out on its (misjudged) time.

Don't discount the possibility of the narrative that the film failed BECAUSE of the lack of diversity of the leads, which plays perfectly into their current TLJ narrative.

>>41071

It happened with the prequels and now it happens with TLJ, but nothing will ever validate this idea that RLM did anything but articulate sentiments and viewpoints already widespread across audiences. Fans don't spout RLM memes because RLM said them, they spout them because they already thought them. RLM just articulates.

>>41082

When you characterised Hinds as lawful good that interested me a little less since he's so good at playing characters less lawful and less good than that, but overall I'm the least interested in Cleese just because I feel like I can anticipate the character/performance too much already.


 No.41088

>>41085

t. Nilso


 No.41089

>>41056

Interference is subverted expectations galore?

>2-book arc about the Doctor… that doesn't feature much of the Doctor and he in fact takes about 400 pages to get involved in the plot

>battle between the Faction and the Time Lords… that gets resolved rather easily

>Third Doctor regenerates in a completely different way than in Planet of the Spiders… but we don't get to see who it is

>Sarah Jane shows up… to bitch about illegal arms dealing

In fact, it got a similar reaction to TLJ. DWM fucking hated it and preferred Last of the Gaderene, something Miles heavily disagreed with to the point that this was the breaking point that caused Loz to sever ties with many DW writers.


 No.41090

>>41085

Get some sleep nilspal


 No.41091

>>41087

the x-force sequence was actually a delight and unironically subverted my expectations. what did you think of domino? i thought she was one of the strongest parts of the movie honestly


 No.41092

>>41083

oh that is fun actually

>>41086

Did you know the captain of the Mary Celeste was credited as Captain Briggs?


 No.41093

>>41087

>such a fucking malignant festering tumour of a company like Disney makes me plenty hard

I used to agree with that, but having to deal with so many anti-Disney folk irl was a bust. They were all pretentious hipsters who read Adbusters and thought Banksy was a genius, who all acted like they were acclaimed scholars when they didn't even graduate high school. The most insufferable snobbery imaginable.


 No.41094

>>41057

>Are normalissimos finally waking up to the mistake that is Disney Wars?

This is a stupid reading of the situation. I don't think Solo flopping has anything significant to do with the previous films, I think it's more about it being a really bad idea.

Ever since it was announced I didn't hear anybody that was excited for it, even amongst star wars fans the best you could expect was cautious curiosity. It's always been a baffling "who asked for this?" sort of reaction, so it's no surprise that nobody really watched/enjoyed it.


 No.41096

>>41060

7 is about my ass


 No.41097

>>41073

BASED


 No.41098

>>41089

>think you'll get something as good as Alien Bodies

>SURPRISE! Expectations have been subverted!


 No.41099

File: 7521f224c1288d0⋯.jpg (76.74 KB, 593x527, 593:527, thasmin.jpg)


 No.41100

>>41087

>Don't discount the possibility of the narrative that the film failed BECAUSE of the lack of diversity of the leads

I've only seen that one article suggesting Solo flopped because it had a white male lead, and I hope to FUCK it's the last one. Especially since it's so easily disproven that that would be the case, and it plays right into their grimy little hands to try and pull a stunt like that.

Why the fuck didn't they just delay the release of Solo until summer? Surely, SURELY it would make more money then, when both Star Wars Fatigue and the foul taste left by The Last Jedi in so many people's mouths had somewhat subsided?

I know nothing about Ron Howard honestly, but he was a friend (student?) of Lucas, and I hear he was originally mooted to follow George's original outline for VII? I want to live in that universe desu

>they spout them because they already thought them. RLM just articulates.

I wouldn't say this applies to everybody or every view. The memeification of such opinions I think directly leads to some people believing them, if ironically at first. And some opinions, when stated so outright by so many people for so long, can become "fact" to people not particularly well-versed in a topic - everybody "knows" Empire is the best Star Wars, Lars Ulrich was a bad drummer and that The Simpsons died after Season 1X, but significantly fewer people have reached that conclusion honestly by themselves


 No.41101

>>41076

>The mutiny subplot should either be removed or massively re-written

The whole movie should've been massively re-written.

>it should be an established character who has more than 10 minutes of screentime

Surely Hondo had more screentime than Ackbar has ever had.


 No.41102


 No.41103

>>41081

>it's like a part of your childhood being killed

you had a really sad childhood, if that's how you think of Le 'IT'S A TRAP' Fishman lmao


 No.41104

Unnatural History, better or worse than Alien Bodies and Interference?


 No.41105

>>41104

Worse than Alien better than Interference.


 No.41106

File: 523081c91f73824⋯.jpg (10.84 KB, 240x240, 1:1, 1491993641840.jpg)

>>41102

>video essay


 No.41107

>>41106

not an argument


 No.41108

>>41101

>The whole movie should've been massively re-written.

I mean yeah

>>41101

I should point out that I am not the anon saying it should be Ackbar, I am this anon (>>41037)


 No.41109

File: 236025bbc6a51b2⋯.jpg (340.24 KB, 1078x516, 539:258, Ciaran-Hinds.jpg)

>>41087

I think Hinds being classed as lawful good benefits him and his intended style (physical, not dress sense) perfectly. Look at pic related - if you saw him strutting through a market bazaar on a seedy little asteroid or a less-than-reputable intergalactic brothel you'd expect him to be either a hard case or a nutcase. If you like your teeth arranged in the fashion they find themselves in you'd rather stay away from him, surely?

Then when you approach him you find that he's more scared of you than you are of him. He's just a 6ft ripped Troughton. Does that subvert your expectations enough for you?

I completely see what you're saying about Cleese though. Still my 3rd favorite pick behind Pearce and Winstone.


 No.41110

>>41102

>22 minutes

I've already decided for myself that The Last Jedi is irredeemable trash from two viewings and from lengthy conversations with people irl who both liked and disliked the movie, but thanks


 No.41111

>>41110

>attention span too low for 22 minutes

Sounds like a TLJ hater.


 No.41112

>>41091

I liked her, she was funny and had that really cool luck sequence on the road, but was a lot more interested in Cable desu. Laughed a lot at the actor for the Vanisher.

The "I'm Batman" moment got plenty of laughs.

>>41093

Doesn't change what's wrong with Disney, and those people are a fraction of the millions that have issues with the company. What they've done to copyright law is obscene.

>>41094

It's hardly a stupid reading. Several trades have posited the exact same opinion. Solo and Justice League both flopped partially for their own flaws, but the idea that the though TLJ and BvS didn't have any impact of their underperformance is ludicrous is…ludicrous.

>>41100

I'm fascinated by why they stuck to the release date, ultimately I think they probably were treating it as a bit of a sacrificial lamb and would rather keep Mary Poppins freer of competition around Christmas rather than give Solo more of a chance (especially when it blew up so overbudget after the reshoots that they couldn't even afford their initial marketing scheme), or continue securing that "Christmas=Star Wars" audience positioning.

Ron Howard is a very skilled and/but very workmanlike director. He shoots what's on the page. Give him a writer like Peter Morgan, he'll make gold. Give him a writer like Dan Brown, and he won't. Frost/Nixon is my favourite of his films. And yeah he's close with Lucas (as is Spielberg and many others of that New Hollywood generation) and has floated around Star Wars a fair while.

I agree with you insofar as some films with RLM ("It took twelve years to make" I do think was born more of pure memetics than articulating any long-gestating thoughts among viewers), but when it comes to Star Wars I really do think it's the case. I agree with your broad point for sure though. And Lars isn't that bad…………..as a drummer.

>>41109

HindsDoc makes more sense now you've expanded on him a bit. Sounds good.

>>41111

>It's longer so it's good!

What's true for Ingiga isn't true for a movie, let alone a defence of one.


 No.41113

I'd like to remind people that it's not because they're making too many Star Wars movies now, or because what they come up with doesn't fit my expectations/wants for the series. It's because I think the movies are genuinely unenjoyable and poorly made/thought out, that I dislike them. If they were GOOD - hell, if they were OKAY - and they completely raped the character of Luke and told me right to my face that women were superior, I'd be fine with it as long as the movie was enjoyable in general. But they aren't.


 No.41114

>>41111

What the fuck can he possibly have to say that takes 22 minutes?


 No.41115

>>41109

Adding onto this, I think describing him as the 2nd Doctor trapped inside a super heavyweight wrestler's body sums him up more than satisfactorily.


 No.41116

File: a51bb69627d1b83⋯.png (71.54 KB, 246x254, 123:127, 1503218930120.png)

>>41111

>wasting a hartnell get


 No.41117

>>41115

Have you seen Rome? Hinds is superb in it.


 No.41118

File: a6edb0050098a0d⋯.jpg (152.18 KB, 747x1200, 249:400, 378682712467ef98ac589a07b4….jpg)

Now that the dust has settled……………was it kino?


 No.41119


 No.41120

>>41117

I've not seen that, I'll have a watch at some point.

>>41118

Got it on the shelf near me, not read it yet.


 No.41121

File: 14ee889c423493b⋯.jpg (22.16 KB, 568x353, 568:353, C85CgSvXcAAyhA1.jpg)

File: a5b8f388c41b805⋯.jpg (20.37 KB, 581x354, 581:354, C85ChhkWsAAcKbw.jpg)


 No.41122

>>41118

Subverted my expectations


 No.41123

>>41112

>Mary Poppins freer of competition around Christmas rather than give Solo more of a chance

You know, sometimes I forget other movies exist. That's a point, lol.

Calling Lucas "New Hollywood" makes me raise my eyebrows, although I know that's not what you're doing. Just associating him with Hollywood when he is the antithesis of it.

I think Plinkett's impact on fan consensus/audience reaction to the prequels is overblown. The Plinkett review on The Phantom Menace has 9 million views. There are 8 billion people on the planet. You do the math. But I think specifically on 4chan a lot of the discourse around the prequels is lifted directly from Plinkett, and a lot of people really haven't put much thought into the merits of the prequels, and many probably haven't even seen them in a decade.


 No.41124

>>41122

It subverted my expectations by being a John Peel Dalek book that was kino.

>>41120

It's more interesting if you've heard the 8/Susan audios so you can compare/contrast Peel and Briggs' takes imo.

>>41123

American New Wave then. I mean the movement, not just the place. I know the prequels are in essence the most expensive independent films ever made, but the man's definitely from that generation.

Yup, millions of people thought the same way RLM did, but when people make engaging videos articulating what you feel and how you think, it's easy to just refer to those instead of muster up the energy and effort to use your own words.

I think there's actually been a meaningful critical engagement with, and reappraisal of, the prequels on /tv/ since TFA came out. The Disney films are like the film negative people had to see to for the gap to see the positive. Sure you can be cynical and handwave it as just further contarianism but I think there's plenty to it.


 No.41125

>>41121

hate this, thanks


 No.41126

what is the doctor who equivalent of putting pineapple on pizza?


 No.41127

>>41126

Putting Rose in an episode.


 No.41128

>>41126

having an Iris and the Doctor in the same story


 No.41129

>>41124

Yeah, but you like Snyder movies, so your opinion is irrelevant.


 No.41130

>>41124

I'd advocate against just referring to other things rather than directly engaging. Even if you just PRETEND what you're saying is an original thought, people will be less likely to tune out of what you are saying, and more likely to address you directly. Like when you just kept linking to that Gareth tweet instead of just relaying the sentiment in it, to that anon you really were just linking to some random tweet from some random bloke, seemingly because you were unable to come up with your own sentiment. I'm not saying that's what you were doing, but that is how somebody else will perceive such an action.

I like the idea of the prequels as "the most expensive independent films ever made". I don't think AotC is good at all but I still respect Lucas. And I agree that the Disney films seem to have made people appreciate the prequels slightly more - it's a sort of "you don't know what you've got until it's gone" type of situation. We didn't know what we had in George until he was gone from the writer's room.

Somebody on 4chan called the prequels; "A bad remake of a long forgotten masterpiece", which I think is pretty beautiful. It speaks to how there is so much in the prequels, such a rich world and potentially intriguing plots, but a lot of it was executed rather poorly.


 No.41131

>>41126

If Chibnall asked Matt Fitton to write an episode.


 No.41132

>>41130

(as opposed to the sequels which is a bunch of horrible ideas executed competently, for the most part)


 No.41133

File: a5f579c973e1b63⋯.jpg (448.44 KB, 1612x1024, 403:256, 1379757352925.jpg)

Still can't believe Chibnall asked Gatiss back. It's so bizarre how, excluding showrunners, he will be the writer that has had the longest and most regular work on the new series, and yet has left essentially zero impact on it.


 No.41134

File: 776879e9f0637be⋯.jpg (95.66 KB, 750x908, 375:454, lozjedi.jpg)

File: 135b1b2b380af35⋯.jpg (121.05 KB, 750x856, 375:428, lozjedi2.jpg)

File: 14ab639b69d0d0a⋯.jpg (115.52 KB, 750x794, 375:397, lozjedi3.jpg)

File: a375c9d3525e3d9⋯.jpg (122.58 KB, 750x741, 250:247, lozjedi4.jpg)

File: 1d94816075e4959⋯.jpg (122.87 KB, 750x805, 150:161, lozjedi5.jpg)


 No.41135

>>41133

I think it's because Gatiss seems like a relatively interesting person to hang out with. His writing sucks, but he's got such a hammy personality in his documentaries or in interviews.


 No.41136

>>41133

>Still can't believe Chibnall asked Gatiss back.

Gattiss isnt coming back, but I kinda wish he wasnt even asked. Is that what Chibnall wants in his Doctor Who?

>has left essentially zero impact on it.

He's like the opposite of Moffat


 No.41137

>>41134

>Now, I love the prequels.

This was unironically the moment I stopped valuing Larry's opinion so much. I've read his blog multiple times, used to read interviews with him, etc. and there was a time that I valued his Doctor Who opinions above everybody else. But this made me realise how fallible he really is.


 No.41138

File: a37da163bc35fe6⋯.jpg (154.47 KB, 750x977, 750:977, lozjedi6.jpg)

File: 33c7877889f8cb2⋯.jpg (79.88 KB, 750x595, 150:119, lozjedi7.jpg)

File: cb77e3e40c0e163⋯.jpg (89.05 KB, 750x849, 250:283, lozjedi8.jpg)

>>41041

>>41134

There's one tweet missing from these that the source I pulled them from didn't save for some reason. As I recall, it said that despite all of the above, he still actually enjoyed the experience overall, and loved the porgs (pogs), and other little star-warsy details.


 No.41139

>>41130

Of course engaging is more meaningful than referring, that's what I'm saying. It's why I have such an internal eyeroll reaction whenever someone posts a link to a video essay as if it forms any kind of contribution to the discussion at all - it's not just lazy and a poor reflection on whatever valid opinions that person holds and whatever video essay in question articulates, it's utterly thought-terminating, a signifier of having no real investment in a dialogue beyond just pointing to whatever position one has entrenched themselves in.

I asked that user straight out if they'd read that tweet and made it clear that it was from Gareth from the get-go from the first time I brought it up. I think that if someone can't do the bare minimum in investing in listening to what another person is saying, that's on them, especially in that conversation which kept spinning back to the willingness (or lack thereof) to engage. I understand if you mean it would've come across better if I'd just quoted the tweet from the get-go, but I was concerned that would come across as condescending since it's so widespread here.

The prequels are utterly George, for better or worse. They're his vision. The new films are products of Disney; it's not that they can't achieve singular vision as well (I think Rogue One more or less did), but it's certainly an uphill battle, and not really part of the corporate strategy for them.

>>41134

Yeah I'm confused when people strike TLJ as some sort of anti-prequel thing when the entire Luke arc hinges on the prequel's conception of Jedi and the Force. Keen take of Loz's.


 No.41140

>>41134

>Now, I love the prequels.

This is unironically the moment I start valuing Larry's opinion. I've read his blog multiple times, used to read interviews with him, etc. and there was a time that I valued his Doctor Who opinions below everybody else. But this made me realise how patrician he really is.


 No.41141

>>41135

Yeah, I've always suspected it was a friend-based thing. But, still, you'd think in this industry people would be accustomed to not inviting their friends for the good of the show.

>>41136

>Gattiss isnt coming back

Really? He turned Chibnall down? That's surprising.

Now that he's had the offer though, it sort of leaves the door open. If Gatiss wanted to write for S12 or S13, he could probably just shoot Chibnall an email.


 No.41142

>>41134

Holy shit this is exactly how I felt about TLJ. It was just far too long and far too boring, none of that SJW/Anti-SJW shite. Just what is written here.


 No.41143

Hot take: All Star Wars movies are bad.


 No.41144

what does loz look like anymore


 No.41145

>>41143

I think Star Wars, TESB, and R1 are good.


 No.41146

>>41144

*nowadays

help me I can't coherent


 No.41147

Star Wars is 100% tradgun


 No.41148

>>41118

I thought the mysterious figure was too obvious as the Master and that Peel was going to subvert my expectations but I still liked it once he revealed himself


 No.41149

>>41139

They see no reason to engage, because to them you are doing what you believe others are doing when they post video essays. Can't you see?

And yes, pointing to a video essay or saying "this person I clearly admire thinks…" is tedious. At least pretend to have your own opinions, people, please.

Moreover, as you see a non-willingness to engage when people don't read tweets, I gather the essayposters see a non-willingness to engage, as evidenced by the "not an argument" response to >video essay

I think Phantom Menace is as close to George's true vision as we ever got, since he had so long to make it and didn't have the negative reaction to his other prequels on his mind as he wrote it. Attack of the Clones, the worst prequel, is the only one with a co-writing credit, which is interesting. And George did ask Howard, Zemeckis and Spielberg to direct TPM, but it was -them- who told him only he should/could do it.

I also agree that not having a clear vision for the sequels/franchise as a whole is not only (a) reason it's so bad, but also totally fucking barmy. It's as if they think they're unstoppable, and can release utter dross but still have people lap it up. I hope they get proven wrong.

Additionally, Luke's disillusionment with the Jedi is very Revenge of the Sith and was actually one of the few things I liked in the film, when he name-dropped Sidious… it's a pity it was hollow and they didn't take it anywhere interesting.


 No.41150

>>41149

(cont.) Somewhere interesting they could take it is if Luke had much of the same misgivings with the Jedi that Anakin had, but rather than completely denouncing the Jedi way, actively looked for ways to improve it, and stayed good instead of turning to evil. Improving on Anakin, essentially.


 No.41151

Have any pdfs of the Day of the Doctor novelisation shown up ?


 No.41152

>>41139

>The prequels are utterly George, for better or worse.

I recently acquired the prequel blu-rays in remarkable circumstances so I was thinking about this the other day: are there any other multi-million dollar blockbusters more idiosyncratic than the prequel trilogy? The obvious response would be the Snyder DC movies, but I think the prequels outrank them in terms of idiosyncrasy.


 No.41153

>>41151

Moffags are also Lawfags who don’t want people pirating his work


 No.41154

Rogue One is a very very well-directed and artfully movie but I don't like the Star Wars franchise or action sequences in general nearly enough to enjoy it


 No.41155

>>41147

soft disagree. There are rad Star Wars movies—the first one, TPM and AOTC.


 No.41156

>>41152

I've read a couple takes saying that the Snyder DC stuff is him being held back by the studios from his full potential, for better or for worse. If the narrative we've been given on The Last Jedi is true, then Rian Johnson really was given full reign to do whatever the fuck he wanted with the franchise, a similar power to what Lucas had, but something deep within me HIGHLY doubts that he did it all himself


 No.41157

>>41155

What does tradgun mean? If we're talking about movies we just think are good, IV, V, most of VI, bits of I, almost all of III and I guess RO are good, to me. Rogue One is alright, at least


 No.41158

>>41157

Trad means traditional as opposed to rad or radical. Gun means the conflict is more violence focused than in frock which is character focused and usually more emotive


 No.41159

I don't know how you could say the prequels were utterly George when he wasn't even particularly involved in many elements like design or characters. Like this video detailing General Grievous, and it turns out a dozen or so designers took his vague concept of "droid general" and turned that into a character.

https://youtu.be/tBOoZ5Tuh2o


 No.41160

>>41157

Trad:

traditional (like any base under siege in dr who)

>Rad:

radical (something experimental like Midnight or Heaven Sent)

>Gun:

More serious, action focused, people getting killed, real consequences

>Frock:

Super fuckin cheesy and silly. Think pantomime. Think "The Husbands of River Song"


 No.41161

>>41149

I don't see posting a tweet in the middle of a comment making other points, and prefacing it with a specific question as the same as just dropping a YouTube link apropos of nothing. I'm not making a blanket statement about tweets being posted, I'm referring specifically to my post in that thread. I understand the point you're making, I just don't think it applies very sharply to this particular instance.

TPM is the one that feels most like the original films, but I don't think it's surprising ROTS is more lauded. It is the most ambitious and the culmination of whatever the prequels were doing interesting story-wise.

My main problem with the Disney films is how painfully insular they are. They take Star Wars itself as the thing to revolve around, the inspiration to reflect, rather than doing as Star Wars actually did and drawing from an eclectic litany of influences (Kurosawa, Joseph Campbell, Flash Gordon, etc.). The casino sequence in TLJ pulled from the classic tracking shot from Wings, and a classier Bondesque genre style Star Wars hasn’t really pulled from before, that was one thing, and part of the reason I liked the casino scenes more than a lot of the rest of the movie. Pulling from new influences to create new Star Wars is what actually makes things feel like Star Wars to my mind, as that’s literally how Star Wars was made. The sequel trilogy is grotesquely internecine, a snake devouring its own tail, a series treating itself as the creator and product. It’s really not that huge of a surprise The Last Jedi became subversion for subversion’s sake when The Force Awakens positioned the series inside of itself. The prequels always had a very defined endpoint and goal they were walking towards, they were a straight line, but the sequels aren't even a cycle as much as they flirt with that idea. They're more autofellatio than ouroboros, devouring themselves and having nowhere really to go.

>>41152

I have a copy of the original TPM with puppet Yoda - people make a big deal about the changes to the OT, but the PT had changes in their home releases too.

Some Michael Bay movies really hit that point of "extremely distinctively auteur-driven" that Lucas and Snyder's films hit, but I agree Lucas and Snyder are more specifically idiosyncratic.

>>41154

I really admire the film's singular zeroing-in on "scale", and how that's reflected in the narrative, the cinematography, the characters, even the music now and again. But I can see how that wouldn't play as well for people with less of the context or investment.

>>41156

He was held back to some extent on MOS. JL isn't his movie. BvS is nearly entirely what he envisioned.


 No.41162

>>41159

George gets criticised for not letting anybody else chip in ideas for the prequels, and then he gets criticised for this. Which one is it?

This is how the design process works. He was much more hands on with some other things, but he was fully aware that he had a highly skilled team of professionals working for him, whom he could rely on to provide excellent artwork and designs. Not taking advantage of that would be absurd. George still chooses the final design, and comments on how to improve it, what he likes and dislikes, and is even seen on video designing one of Padme's dresses and adding the finishing touches to one of the aliens seen on Utapau. The idea that he just let his designers do whatever and ate it all up is absurd.

>>41160

So anon is saying Star Wars is 100% traditional and serious? That's… wrong


 No.41163

File: 5580e1fc6645712⋯.jpg (69.08 KB, 673x498, 673:498, hartnell_unleashed.jpg)

>>41137

because the spaceships were ok, but what really made Star Wars so big was how Harrison Ford was, like, sort of like James Dean, and just maybe a bit like Humphrey Bogart (but only a little).

you'll have to forgive me for having difficulty believing that what made Star Wars so irressistable had anything to do with being "clever". whenever i read something like https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-growing-emptiness-of-the-star-wars-universe which tries to pass off the idea that Empire was the best because it was the most "character-based" it always seems like a load of bullshit designed to create the ridiculous "Hero's Journey" narrative that Star Wars was big because it was the same as everything else, but faster, louder, and dumber. besides, Empire isn't even as the most competently "character-based" Star Wars film (it's Revenge of the Sith) - the Darth Vader reveal was a rather cheap shock that was completely pulled out of Lucas's ass.

really, trying to deny that Star Wars wasn't big because it was a complete package, where the actors and dialouge didn't dominate the films, but existed alongside sound, music, and production design in equal proportion, always rang a bit hollow with me.

but maybe i'm completely off the mark and that's not what you meant. oh well.


 No.41164

>>41159

>George when he wasn't even particularly involved in many elements like design or characters

>and it turns out a dozen or so designers took his vague concept of "droid general" and turned that into a character.

It's wild that you can make that sound like anything other than his fault. A director being handsoff and not taking control of his own movie is a shitty director.


 No.41165

>>41164

What precisely do you think the job of a director is?


 No.41166

>>41161

BvS is his vision the same way The Room was Wiseau's. Or how Manos was Hal Warren's.


 No.41167

File: d5b750e3b879006⋯.jpg (16.1 KB, 400x300, 4:3, 1Nilso.jpg)


 No.41168

Star Wars General


 No.41169

>>41165

Not that anon but isn't a director supposed to provide visual direction in order to properly explore their film and how they imagine it looking/sounding/feeling/resonating


 No.41170

>>41161

>the PT had changes in their home releases too.

Are you privy to the editing changes made to AOTC? How does the decision to change something like that even get made? So bizzare.


 No.41171

File: 716c9c14befc04e⋯.jpg (105.75 KB, 475x420, 95:84, 2nilso.jpg)


 No.41172


 No.41173

>>41171

Why does this look like a /mu/core emo album cover


 No.41174

>>41166

Have you ever heard of

vulgar auteurism?

>>41169

They are the person that directs the making of a movie, no more and no less. They bring what people are doing together into a movie with some kind of unifying vision. Delegation is their job. Hiring the right people is their job. Guiding what needs to be guided is their job. If they're doing everything themselves uncredited, than they haven't exactly done a great job of that.

>>41170

Check this out

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases#2002_Star_Wars_Episode_II:_Attack_of_the_Clones_DVD

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases#Attack_of_the_Clones


 No.41175

>>41161

>I don't think it's surprising ROTS is more lauded

You know how they say constraints make us more creative? How giving yourself a more narrow field to work in can help you achieve better results? I think that idea can be applied to Revenge of the Sith - it had to do particular things, so it did them, pretty well. Return of the Jedi, also, had to conclude the story and redeem Vader, and did so exceptionally well.

A bit of a rambly point but I think it's… an idea.

I think The Phantom Menace is one draft and maybe one second unit director away from being great. I think Revenge of the Sith is great.

>My main problem with the Disney films is how painfully insular they are.

Yes! The universe feels TINY! The universe in the OT doesn't feel enormous, but you got SOME sense of scale. Everything in the ST happens over the course of like a fucking week on two or three planets. The prequels were much richer, in comparison. Rogue One, even, has a broader scope than the fucking entire sequel trilogy (duology, I accept)

Also I agree on the self-referencing rather than referencing other material. Star Wars (1977) was amazing because it recontextualised the language of cinema which had been proven effective already, and mixed it all up with a new, exciting setting and a sense of adventure. The new films are just… generic action movies, for the most part.

I said this once and I'll say it again because I'm rather proud of it; Star Wars in 1977 defined the modern summer blockbuster. The modern summer blockbuster defined Star Wars in 2015.

I also agree with the prequels having a point/goal and the sequels just rambling.


 No.41176

>>41174

Yeah I know about the changes I was just commenting on how specifically weird the re-editing on those few sequences is

>adding moss to the Kashyyyk hut

monkaS


 No.41177

>>41170

>How does the decision to change something like that even get made?

I think it's pretty clear by this point that George is a (perfectionist/extreme nitpicker)


 No.41178

>>41177

I'd still be interested to hear his reasoning for why he thought the editing on those sequences was wrong because its a complete mystery to me


 No.41179

>>41174

Vulgar auteurism is just an excuse for dumbasses to pretend that Resident Evil movies should be viewed as art.


 No.41180

File: 5af45663e5e6084⋯.jpg (58.19 KB, 497x634, 497:634, oh boy.jpg)

>>41161

>I really admire the film's singular zeroing-in on "scale", and how that's reflected in the narrative, the cinematography, the characters, even the music now and again.

>mfw Neo and I are on the exact same wavelength


 No.41181

>>41175

It's funny how packed full of story ROTS is, and how light on it AOTC is. There are thousand and thousands of fan reimaginings of the structure of the prequels because it's so bizarre.

Star Wars 77 is an amazing achievement for sure, and it pains me to see films trying to replicate it literally instead of doing what it did and making something new out of tonnes of things old. Not just one thing. New IPs can still be riotously successful, studios are just enormously apprehensive about investing in them since film production and budgeting is so imbalanced now.

>>41176

Oh yeah, for sure. Tonnes of creative people say creative works aren't really finished so much as abandoned; trying to fight that the way George does feels unnatural to me, and not really playing into how audiences are "meant" to take in, respond to, and grow with media.


 No.41182

>>41179

Just because something is bad art doesn’t mean it isn’t art


 No.41183

>>41178

Adding/removing CGI elements is completely understandable, he will have just thought the shot looked wrong and needed something extra/removed

New dialogue will be to more clearly/efficiently/poetically convey what he wants the character to say

A more realistic uh-huh makes perfect sense, more sparks on the jetpack makes perfect sense, robot hand makes sense.

Different wipes is just autism, shorter nooooo is realising a mistake

Rearranging shots is unironically probably to make things faster and more intense


 No.41184

>>41173

NilsoCore


 No.41185

File: 5ce2afd7a8311a2⋯.png (445.59 KB, 800x450, 16:9, 1518703173160.png)

>>41180

I did a bit of a writeup of Rogue One to that effect on /who/ back in the day, don't know if you saw/have interest in. Here it is:

The sequels are maddening because Rogue One proved with proper developed vision that isn’t solely metatextual that you can indeed tell new stories in new ways in the Star Wars universe while still retaining all the marketable iconography and hallmarks of the series that ostensibly make Star Wars Star Wars. But as a prequel and anthology film it has the benefit of not being in the awkward situation of coming after Return of the Jedi. The easiest way to write a sequel to Return of the Jedi (or any hero’s journey), and the one Abrams and Kasdan of course took, is to invalidate Return of the Jedi. The hero failed. The setting reverted back to the status quo. A new hero and new procession of the hero’s journey is needed. A cynical mind might point out that, as Disney is determined to keep churning these films out forever, the sequel trilogy will face the same undercutting and invalidation in due time. There are other approaches, but the approach the Star Wars Legends EU largely took was to leave the conclusion of Return of the Jedi intact, leave Luke’s hero’s journey unmolested, and instead decouple Star Wars from that main cast and saga. Tell smaller stories more spread out. Use the natural next steps of Return of the Jedi’s conclusion (Luke training new Jedi, a new Republic bringing peace to the galaxy, etc.) as points to develop new stories off, instead of invalidating them to retell the same story beats with different characters.

Rogue One is metatextual in a way that generates fuel for a new story, instead of metatextual in the way that the story offers nothing more than commentary (TFA rehash, TLJ backlash). Rogue One is about scale, in settings and narrative, and conveys this cinematically, through the cinematography, music, set design, not just the writing. At the script level, the film is about scale. These characters are in the shadows of the mythical figures of the original trilogy. Instead of the chosen one, or the princess, or the dark lord, we see the grunts and saboteurs doing the dirty and menial work in the marigns of that greater heroic narrative. From this perspective, the Jedi, the Sith, it's all legendary, and reality is grim and legitimately dangerous. A main character dying in a main Star Wars movie (let alone unceremoniously) is very rare and a big deal, but here it's commonplace. When the ending subsumes the film back into the narrative folds of the grand original trilogy, it's earned its original perspective and commentary, told a new story by expanding the old instead of invalidating them. Repositioning the mad genre-mashup children's films that Star Wars was from that fatalist position of inevitable subsuming into the Campbellian narrative, that's just fantastic, inspired stuff.

In director Gareth Edward's previous film, 2014's Godzilla, his ability to frame Godzilla in interesting ways was easily the highlight of the film, as he displayed a curious fascinating with playing with scale in his visuals. In Rogue One he honed that fascination (his approximation of an auteur trademark I suppose), the Death Star being his new Godzilla to play with setting scale against, but examining other objects in such a way as well (pic related), all of which of course tied holistically into the film's narrative, again, all about scale. The characters are the tiny ships dwarfed by the Death Star. The plot is the tiny figures walking by sunken Jedi statues.

I think it could potentially be reconfigured to work as a non Star Wars film but it'd just have to lean harder on it happening around an oncoming hero's journey, and would lose a lot of its specific magic and ability to use the iconography as cinematic shorthand. The mainline sequels are the ones I think are hopelessly dependant on the original films, either repeating them or pivoting their stories on specific comments of them (where Rogue One's commentary on Star Wars is broad and narrative, like centring around the grunts getting a macguffin for a hero, Han's TFA arc revolves specifically around his characterisation in the OT, Rey and Snoke rely on more specific Star Wars tropes, etc.). Either rehashing parts of Star Wars, or straightforwardly subverting parts of Star Wars, neither is really kicking off to new stories, and I think they're inherently handicapped from locking themselves into aping those earlier movies too much. Perhaps where R1 is supplementary, the sequels are unnecessary.


 No.41186

>>41181

There was originally to be more to the Sifo Diyas plot, but yes now you mention it it is a little odd. But think about it, what does Attack of the Clones -do-? It sets up the Clone Wars. Revenge of the Sith had a lot more to -do-. Perhaps more of Sith could be given to Clones, but then perhaps making Sith worse to make Clones better is not a trade one wants to make.

I sympathise with George's feelings on "his" movies being not-quite-right, and how much that must eat away at him, given that Star Wars is his empire, but I also agree with the idea that Star Wars and such movies are cultural, nay, historical artifacts, and should be left alone.

The only thing I think George has done -wrong- is refuse to release the unaltered OT in HD. I understand his reasons behind it, but he really -should- let us have it, in my opinion. It can exist alongside his special editions, he can market his special editions as "true star wars" and "his vision", but the OT is such an important piece of media that it should be preserved as much as any great painting or statue.


 No.41187

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

lads I've fallen asleep 5 times in the last 10 minutes but I've got shit to do and I'm in the frame to do it but I can't if you feel my drift. I tried waking myself up by slapping myself and that kinda worked but not really.

Also, sort of linked - what does everyone listen to when writing? I've been listening to this track in a loop for about 6 hours now


 No.41188

>>41186

Exactly. I totally get his desire to tinker, but he shouldn't erase what people have already experienced. Once you release something to the public, it belongs to them as well. I think it's perverse he goes out of his way to deny people the ability to relive cherished experiences from their childhoods. Releasing the original cuts doesn't have to be implicit endorsement of them. His pettiness with the Library of Congress was embarrassing.


 No.41189

star wars /who/. comfy and so, so perverse.


 No.41190

File: da928b422cd0c1a⋯.jpg (42.48 KB, 567x377, 567:377, DehP09pX0AAMD86.jpg)


 No.41191

>>41187

Drink some caffeine and do some exercise, maybe take a shower.

I listen to twitch streams for background noise, I used to listen to the TV playing something like Two and a Half Men. I can't play music because then I end up just paying attention to that rather than my writing.

>>41188

I wonder if he really -does- believe the laserdisc scans are "good enough." I haven't heard about his pettiness with the Library of Congress, though. I do sympathise with him for being possessive and protective of the thing that unexpectedly took over his entire life, but we need the unedited versions for posterity.


 No.41192

>>41187

also I'm pretty sure I entered a trance about 10 minutes ag


 No.41193

>>41191

the music just hitched me right out of a trance state and I felt like I'd just flown from Mars to Earth in about 1 second flat and I didn't know where I was


 No.41194

This article:

https://mashable.com/2015/12/17/star-wars-original-cut/?europe=true#26Fafn.nlgqB

Seems to tell us that the Library of Congress -do- hold an unaltered, original copy of Star Wars. Which is nice.


 No.41195

>>41187

I listen to a lot of Twin Peaks stuff too. Some Marigold stuff. Scores and instrumental stuff I like, but not like so much/scores so exciting that I get distracted by getting too into them.

If you're really sure you wanna stay awake, why not deploy some caffeine?

>>41191

Yeah the Library is literally for cataloguing important artefacts, not keeping the most up to date revision he's been tinkering with lmao. Would've loved to seen their reaction when he sent them that (which they denied fwiw).

I talked with another /who/re (TOMTIT) last week about this, but there are fan scans of 'obtained' 35mm prints of the OT that are really cool to see. Much better than the laserdiscs. Yeah the picture is full of noise and grain but that's part of the fun.


 No.41196

>>41187

depends on the situation

are you in crunch time? anything with an excessively fast tempo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTVZqoadkk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d25O7qQ3Sn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EdW28B-In4

if it's not crunch time then basically the polar opposite, something calm and/or atmospheric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eRf__n7VPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYsldfmeVZ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umU-5GQneug


 No.41197

>>41195

see >>41194

Them rejecting it is a pretty big btfo moment


 No.41198

I wonder if Nilso is asleep now.


 No.41199

>>41185

Brilliant, thanks.

Fascinating stuff. Solo seemed to retain the sense that it was "supplementary" and focused on everyday existence on the fringes of the Lucas saga, but there were plenty of irritating "meta" references in the script that worked against it - a cliche'd sort of "meta", but still didn't feel right compared to how it was done here. I think Rogue One benefitted from being a bit underwritten, in a sense. Of course, the biggest problem with Solo wasn't in the script or characters, but that the asethetic of the settings that they were going for seemed to be "Doctor Who quarries and industrial backlots, but more expensive". The film certainly didn't feel like $250+ million went onscreen.


 No.41200

>>41195

>>41196

I'm feeling better now, I just had a funny five minutes. I tried having a conversation with someone and realised about 20 seconds later that they weren't A) in the same room as me B)in the direction I was looking and C) on the same floor

>>41198

still here daddy'o


 No.41201

Nilso would it help you get to sleep if Neo spooned you


 No.41202

>>41201

got stuff to do, no time for such things at this present juncture anon


 No.41203

File: c2f3cac01723a91⋯.png (219.44 KB, 602x628, 301:314, London1965Poetic.png)


 No.41204

>>41200

I used to play around with sleep deprivation a bit, it ain't good for you but sure can produce some funny experiences.

>>41199

I'll be keen to chew over Solo with you when I see it in the coming week. What I'd give to be able to see the original Lorde/Miller footage.

One cringe moment in R1 was the reappearance of ball face and the other dude imo. Too far.


 No.41205

File: 0f35e87e45df4f9⋯.jpg (92.3 KB, 1101x696, 367:232, false question.JPG)

I answered this as "trick question".


 No.41206

File: 1901e78751d4b15⋯.jpg (412.16 KB, 549x832, 549:832, say the line Ian.jpg)


 No.41207

>>41205

They phrased a question as "who was the 1st doctor's granddaughter" which weirded me out a bit - surely she's the 2nd's too.


 No.41208

>>41204

Not far enough gone for sleep-dep just yet, if I start seeing a giant floating ziggurat passing through a needle's eye or Jason Voorhees doing the Wilbury Twist I'll find something to crawl under and die for a few hours


 No.41209

>>41207

Technically she’s the Others granddaughter not the Doctors


 No.41210


 No.41211

>>41209

dinnae start with this raucous din I'll have you flogged like a merseyside whore


 No.41212

File: b886e70bcb8b15e⋯.jpg (88.44 KB, 559x600, 559:600, R-4206134-1358525122-3473.….jpg)

>>41208

Marilyn Manson (the band, not just the guy) went overboard with sleep deprivation while recording an album and it produced kino. Cheaper than regular drugs. In some ways, would you consider yourself the Marilyn Manson of /who/?


 No.41213


 No.41214

>>41212

Marilyn Manson's a few ribs short of a xylophone anyway so it wouldn't surprise me if he got inspired while trying to count pink elephants.


 No.41215

>>41213

lym's a scruffold and not a marilyn manroe at all, he's too nice to be


 No.41216

File: c1e12bad149290c⋯.jpg (53.68 KB, 466x466, 1:1, 81D1orYEzSL._SX466_.jpg)

Memes aside, Marilyn Manson made two fantastic albums. I was big into him as a teenager. When he was more in the Reznor/Lynch/Bowie stylings he was much better. 14 year old me would be aghast I haven't even listened to his last three albums.


 No.41217

>>41216

I knew this chick


 No.41218

>>41213

But I'd actually want to have sex with Lym, while Marilyn is too alien for me.


 No.41219

>>41218

What the fuck?


 No.41220

>>41219

Yeah, Marilyn doesn't have a human looking body. That's weird to me, so my cock isn't hard.


 No.41221

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

LITERALLY audience-hostile


 No.41222

>>41220

No but Lym is not of legal age.


 No.41223

>>41221

post of the month


 No.41224


 No.41225

>>41224

what is the Doctor Who equivalent of this?


 No.41226

The Web Planet was a stroke of fucking madness, I can't believe it actually exists


 No.41227


 No.41228

>>41226

I'm really surprised that it's not a missing serial.


 No.41229

>>41224

in places where age of consent is 16, is a 20-16 relationship perfectly legal without the need for romeo and juliet laws?


 No.41230

File: 53e6b11f3b2c18c⋯.png (19.47 KB, 707x165, 707:165, ClipboardImage.png)

>>41227

based


 No.41231

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Post kino trailers


 No.41232

>>41230

goddamn you kinda chuck a fuckin' brick at a house made of stacked glass thimbles why don't you


 No.41233

>>41230

>solo boycott

???


 No.41234

>>41233

Who the hell's boycotting Solo? They're just not watching it, not actively boycotting it.


 No.41235

>>41234

anything to justify how muh star wars could be performing poorly


 No.41236

>>41235

>It was the RUSSIANS!

>It was the ALT-RIGHT!

>It was the RACISTS!

>It was WHITE MEN!

>It was MISOGYNISTS!

>It was ANGRY NERDS!

>It was TRUMP SUPPORTERS!

>It was PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE CHANGE!

>It was /POL/!

>It was /TV/!

>It was 4CHAN!

>It was REDDIT!

>It was WEEABOOS!

>It was DC FANS!

>It was PREQUEL DEFENDERS!

>It was BOOMERS!

>It was MILLENNIALS!

>It was MILK DRINKERS!

>It was DISNEY HATERS!

>It was REY HATERS!

>It was ROSE HATERS!

>It was HOLDO HATERS!

>It was the HOLIDAY SEASON!

>It was INCELS!

>"People hated Empire back then, too!"

>"Dividing the fanbase was intentional!"

>"It did something DIFFERENT!!!"

>"I love how it subverted expectations!"

>"It made me rethink my views on life!"

>"It emphasized muh diversity/inclusiveness/feminist quota!"

>"It was an 'intellectual' film!"

>"It made some people uncomfortable. GOOD!"

>"It was expected to not make much money anyway!"

>"lulz it's just a movie turn your brain off!"

>"China doesn't matter anyway!"

>"B-but muh sexist MRA cut!"


 No.41237

>>41236

Half of those are right tho


 No.41238

do you think n8 gets a chuckle when he sees nilso while moderating the r*ddit?


 No.41239

File: 2e229669b164fac⋯.jpg (91.04 KB, 315x437, 315:437, Smug_matt_2.jpg)


 No.41240

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Robot of Sherwood was one thing, but this…okay, this is epic.


 No.41241

I, for one, am SHOCKED that the movie nobody was looking forward to is performing poorly at the box office.


 No.41242

File: a94ef71cd914b06⋯.jpg (226.1 KB, 791x1200, 791:1200, 1490282842881.jpg)


 No.41243

>>41241

More people are hyped by a Ewan McGregor Kenobi movie than a Solo one.


 No.41244

Bluepill, redpill, and blackpill me on "TV detector vans". Do Brits really do this?


 No.41245

>>41238

I and he have the same reaction, a blase glossing over of the face followed by a swift slap of the person nearest


 No.41246

>>41244

no they're totally fuckin' bollocks


 No.41247

>>41245

Another r/gallifrey mod on /who/? I remember the last time you guys made a fuss here:

http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/51028776/#q51034862


 No.41248

File: 20a7c22b7113e61⋯.png (65.63 KB, 277x262, 277:262, 1482965076589.png)

>>41243

I know, but I don't think doubling down on "solo movies about characters/or events from past movies" is really going to help Disney.

Also, does anybody else remember when Disney, BEFORE The Last Jedi's released, announced a new trilogy helmed by Rian? Are they just going to quietly backtrack on that now?


 No.41249

>>41247

you misunderstand my post, dear fellow, it is I, Wilso


 No.41250


 No.41251

>>41250

nah, eternally wilso


 No.41252


 No.41253

>>41248

There isn't anything left for him to subvert, is there? I'm betting it'll at least be an improvement over The Last Jedi.


 No.41254

>>41248

if rian does a spinoff star wars trilogy with its own characters and self contained story that he writes himself from start to finish it might be interesting


 No.41255

>>41254

>spinoff star wars trilogy with its own characters and self contained story that he writes himself from start to finish

That is what they announced. But I really really doubt they'll go through with it now.


 No.41256

Don't forget they announced a D&D (GOT showrunners) Star Wars trilogy as well.


 No.41257

>>41256

that would be better than what he have now but d&d + disney might be awful


 No.41258

>>41256

internal screaming


 No.41259

how many fucking decades of star wars movies have they already announced


 No.41260

>>41228

Verity is too based, only 11 missing episodes of almost 100


 No.41261

>These new films will be separate from both the episodic Skywalker saga and the recently-announced trilogy being developed by Rian Johnson, writer-director of Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

>“David and Dan are some of the best storytellers working today,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm. “Their command of complex characters, depth of story and richness of mythology will break new ground and boldly push Star Wars in ways I find incredibly exciting.”

Interesting thing is this implies their next HBO series, Confederate, is quietly canned.

>>41259

Don't forget the James Mangold Boba Fett film, Del Toro Jabba the Hutt film, Jon Favraeu live-action series, etc.


 No.41262

>>41261

>James Mangold Boba Fett film, Del Toro Jabba the Hutt film, Jon Favraeu live-action series, etc.

I genuinely don't know if you're joking or not


 No.41263

>>41262

no he's truthing the fuck out of you


 No.41264

D&D are more comfortable when working off some sort of material to adapt. Given that their Star Wars films are explicitly stated not to be connected with the Skywalker films, could they perhaps draw from…an EU source? You know where I'm going with this.

>>41262

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-boba-fett-movie-is-happening-james-mangold-direct-1113273

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-guillermo-del-toro-lucasfilm-jabba-the-hut-godfather-a7679501.html

https://www.starwars.com/news/jon-favreau-to-executive-produce-write-live-action-star-wars-series


 No.41265

>>41256

>>41264

>You know where I'm going with this

Alien Bodies.


 No.41266

>>41265

D&D adaptation of Alien Bodies would be kino


 No.41267

>>40992

>gareth roberts' lover

>leftist


 No.41268

Shatterpoint when


 No.41269

Bad Witch when


 No.41270

>>41264

>shitty D&D adapting shitty EU source material

We're doomed.


 No.41271

>>41270

Have no fears, we've got stories for years!


 No.41272

File: f198d4b5091ccf0⋯.webm (8.81 MB, 600x720, 5:6, Amy.webm)


 No.41273

File: 94956addc17e19d⋯.jpg (87.12 KB, 630x601, 630:601, 1527921512144.jpg)

Post things that remind you of Nilso


 No.41274

>>41271

Mark Gatiss is the Doctor Who equivalent of D and D


 No.41275

You ever get the feeling if Chelsea Manning preached unapologetic fascism and Third Reich values, Sandifer would still kiss her ass?


 No.41276

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

mrw ingiga enters the stream


 No.41277

File: 032d73176903222⋯.gif (706.22 KB, 245x150, 49:30, Nilso Who.gif)


 No.41278

File: 65eb8153e402505⋯.png (6.31 MB, 2500x1667, 2500:1667, nilos.png)

>>41273

I might redo the covers I did for point/force/face


 No.41279

File: f06b78c4c859851⋯.png (2.37 MB, 2288x1617, 208:147, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.41280

>>41279

you may have caught me at moments where I've been a bit tetchy and I apologise, love for everyone


 No.41281

What do you do when you have something you want to ask Nilso but are too starstruck?


 No.41282

>>41280

please show me where I asked for your opinion, nilso?


 No.41283


 No.41284

What's the Doctor Who equivalent of living next to bogans who loudly laugh and speak in a very irritating way?


 No.41285

>>41282

When you posted on a public board anyone can respond to


 No.41286

What's the Doctor Who equivalent of this?

https://twitter.com/ckunzelman/status/1002738993727930370


 No.41287

>>41281

Did you ever get around to sorting out that credit/title thing you wanted me to do?


 No.41288

>>41272

based


 No.41289

>>41272

eagerly anticipating MILF Karen


 No.41290

>>41272

Amy has full legs here


 No.41291

>>41287

Probably tomorrow.


 No.41292

>>41291

sure thing champ


 No.41293

File: 3eeae05f5967ba0⋯.jpg (16.91 KB, 620x368, 155:92, doctor_who_dorium_moldovar.jpg)

>>41272

Mfw anticipating a certain other trip's response to this


 No.41294

>>41292

Are you still listening to the Red Room or a new track now?


 No.41295

i have a full nilso here


 No.41296

>>41295

that's not something to brag about sweetie


 No.41297

>>41296

hello sweetie


 No.41298

i wish amy would put her full lips to my full nilso


 No.41299

>>41298

t. Immigrant


 No.41300

File: d2f4f0888d62fc5⋯.jpg (41.6 KB, 838x217, 838:217, what the fuck.jpg)


 No.41301

>>41294

still red room

>>41298

this but unironically


 No.41302

File: 705c8f36346499b⋯.webm (4.54 MB, 600x720, 5:6, River.webm)


 No.41303

File: cd3e08fff96568e⋯.png (768.4 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 1527931383118.png)

when is /ourgirl/ gonna upload a video ripping apart solo and BTFO neos narrative?


 No.41304

>>41302

patrician


 No.41305

>>41303

She's a leftie Kinda


 No.41306

>>41305

Lefties are glad Solo is failing because it means the male lead did worse than the female ones


 No.41307

>>41303

when you get an opinion for yourself instead of parroting talking head of the week no.5,352,240's "thoughts" she's almost certainly stolen from someone else


 No.41308

Holy fuck the reaction of the people watching Frankensteins Monster body slam a Dalek is hilarious


 No.41309

>>41305

/cat'sgirl/?


 No.41310

>>41305

Kinda's boyfriend is a leftie too, you think he cares?


 No.41311

>>41305

what's that got to do with it.


 No.41312

>>41303

Didn't she already hate Rogue 1? doncha know RLM/her/other select youtubers took the deal where they're allowed to shit on the anthologies to remain credibility, as long as they remain positive about the mainline film and push toys as much as possible (her with her backgrounds there, RLM with their "ironic" nerd crew toysets)


 No.41313

>>41311

why the full stop.


 No.41314

kindanon is a jenny patron


 No.41315

File: 89dca1ed01de330⋯.png (210.15 KB, 522x747, 58:83, 1494312931145.png)

>>41311

Forgot pic


 No.41316

Who's a based jim dinopatron here?


 No.41317

File: 03f295f012d0345⋯.jpg (56.78 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 1516011803445.jpg)

>>41312

t-they wouldnt just lie on the internet would they??

>>41313

you tell me.


 No.41318

File: ee722e799b36e66⋯.jpg (32.51 KB, 480x360, 4:3, kinda and neo.jpg)

>Patreon


 No.41319


 No.41320

>>41303

She already did, I think it's only on Patreon at the moment.


 No.41321

File: b766a025f852588⋯.jpg (62.1 KB, 898x728, 449:364, trips.JPG)

>>41320

>patreon

>early videos for patreon cucks

alright forget what i said, jenny has been dropped


 No.41322

>>41321

she also makes monthly ramble videos exclusively for patrons


 No.41323

>>41321

>making money from the work you do is bad


 No.41324

Vicki travelling in the Dalek timeship to get to her new home with the Doctor and the TARDIS mirrors Ian and Barbara using it to get back to Earth


 No.41325

File: b123fd7993e11a0⋯.jpg (14.55 KB, 171x278, 171:278, 1527579801115.jpg)

>>41323

>youtube

>work


 No.41326

>>41323

>work


 No.41327

nilsos a living fungoid


 No.41328

Is ending a question with a full stop considered a power move.


 No.41329

>>41328

What do you think.


 No.41330

>>41325

>david mitchell

stop appropriating british culture please, aussie swine


 No.41331

>>41316

>Cooper tells Cole about a dream he had

>scene shift

>wierd shit happens

>scene shift

Was the whole Jeffries/Judy scene Coop telling Cole about his dream? Did the Judy scene even happen? Was Coop's dream the entire Jeffries/Judy scene? Was Coop trying to repeatedly tell Cole that what was happening was identical to his dream?

The whole BL/WL deal is about Illuminati vs Freemasons, right?


 No.41332

Full Lips


 No.41333

>>41331

[spoiler]It's all a dream. I think we're meant to be as confused as Cooper. Is it future or is it past?[ The only thing I take maybe-not-so-dreamy is the 'what year is this' scene./spoiler]

BL/WL I don't take as literally as that. I bet Frost would like your take though.


 No.41334

>>41332

Blow Ships


 No.41335

File: a1b144059d64a24⋯.png (483.36 KB, 648x888, 27:37, 1527210682888.png)

doctor who equivalent?


 No.41336

Had River encountered the Angels before Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone? Why did Father Octavian want her for that mission specifically? What did she bring to it?


 No.41337

>>41335

not even trying to hide it this time, kinda


 No.41338

>>41333

That whole scene is a fucking work of art. Everything about it is perfect. Would you rather have had the scene we got from the film, or would you rather have the two scenes fully play out instead of being spliced into one scene? I can't decide at all, I can see pros and cons for both.


 No.41339

wepping angles


 No.41340

File: 3a9cad8302c01bb⋯.png (475.65 KB, 1078x901, 1078:901, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.41341

>>41338

I like having the scenes separate. More to enjoy with both versions.


 No.41342

Should President Trump win a nobel peace prize for memes and comment sections?


 No.41343

>>41335

Right wing falseflagging? Flip Flop


 No.41344

File: fbb92e1392bb2e6⋯.png (3.27 MB, 1596x1389, 532:463, 1527932460720.png)

name my band


 No.41345

>>41344

The Absolute States


 No.41346

File: 7aa704063b7b74e⋯.jpg (254.97 KB, 1509x2048, 1509:2048, DRl2q75WkAEZc0Z.jpg orig.jpg)

>>41216

>I haven't even listened to his last three albums.

If you plan on listening to them I suggest skipping Born Villain and just listen to The Pale Emperor and Heaven Upside Down


 No.41347

>>41346

I liked The High End of Low well enough fwiw, does the one after it sound anything like that?


 No.41348

>>41347

Born Villain is the album released after High End of Low, they sound nothing alike


 No.41349

>>41348

What are your favourite albums of MM


 No.41350

>>41349

Top 5 Mechanical Animals, Eat Me Drink Me, Pale Emperor and Heaven Upside Down


 No.41351

>>41350

whoops thats only 4 golden age of grotesque is 5


 No.41352

>>41350

>EMDM fan

Nice. No love for Antichrist?


 No.41353

>>41352

Antichrist is great, it's impossible to hate on Antichrist


 No.41354

>>41344

Donnie and The Dumb Whore


 No.41355

Now that the dust has settled, what are your thoughts on Amy's crack?


 No.41356


 No.41357

What villains would you like to see a Doctor Who equivalent of?


 No.41358

>>41272

>>41302

Is this from the same anon who made the Clara and Bill webms? If so… based


 No.41359

nilsos full lips


 No.41360

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO9ecAtjhyw

Reminder that Acne Doctor is apparently still going to drop his final episode eventually


 No.41361

File: ec3914a4b2c0931⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 69.65 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, maxresdefault (8).jpg)

>>41357

the gods from dbz


 No.41362

I’m just a sweet lil Nilso


 No.41364

First back for Nilso


 No.41365

>>41357

I’d like more villains in general that aren’t mindless aliens or catchphrase based monsters. The only original season villain in New Who is Kovarian and I hope Chibnall makes more like her that have more three dimensional characters than the daleks and cybermen


 No.41366

File: 60dcb074e233622⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 9.13 KB, 479x102, 479:102, legendary.png)

Guys, let's never let that happen again.


 No.41367

>>41366

There’s more maintenance in less than a week


 No.41368

File: 8b0c98ffacbac59⋯.gif (494.56 KB, 400x227, 400:227, giphy.gif)


 No.41369

*slidewhistle*

Post last edited at

 No.41370

Well I guess everything's working?


 No.41371

>mfw i added yet another Shit Trip


 No.41372

>>41369

>edited post

hola reddit!


 No.41373

>>41372

New Who equivalent of the beginning of season 16?


 No.41374

File: 3e41596cd8949e3⋯.gif (1.7 MB, 540x260, 27:13, titus.gif)

>>41372

Oi you're boistering for a cloistering.

>watching unbreakable kimmy schmidt's latest season

>Titus says, "So Doctor Who's a woman now? More like Doctor Why?"

Based


 No.41375

>>41373

Forgot to delete the (You) after opening the reply box


 No.41376

>refreshing the page doesn't load the css and I can't post but opening in incognito mode loads the css and lets me post

what the fuck?


 No.41377

Doctor Who? I hardly know her


 No.41378


 No.41379

File: c83d3c3c52cb60e⋯.gif (8.93 MB, 446x338, 223:169, based bill.gif)

Will the first Doctor move up in the polls after the stream? I do hope so.


 No.41380

>>41373

Probably the beginning of Series 6 with the mysterious summons and all that jazz. But I agree that the opening of Season 16 is GOAT, and the whole season is great in general. Best Williams season.


 No.41381

I like the First Doctor because he's secure in his senility, unlike me.


 No.41382

>>41381

whens the world tour?


 No.41383

>>41382

4 years ago


 No.41384

The Angels Take Manhattan is better that The Time of Angels | Flesh and Stone because it actually remembers what works about the Weeping Angels.

Weeping Angel stories ranked:

The Time of the Doctor = Hell Bent > The God Complex > Blink > The End of Time > The Angels Take Manhattan > The Side of the Angels > The Time of Angels | Flesh and Stone > The Lost > Fallen Angels


 No.41385

>>41384

I've heard good things about the NSA Touched By an Angel

haven't read it though so can't personally attest to that


 No.41386

>>41384

rank these stories based specifically on their usage of the angels. They were essentially just used as a one line throwaway reference in time/hell/god


 No.41387

>>41385

I can definitely see them working better in prose than audio, but the visual element really is kinda key. But what do I know, I haven't actually read the book, maybe it works.

>>41386

Blink > The End of Time > The Angels Take Manhattan > The Side of the Angels > The Time of the Doctor > The God Complex > The Time of Angels | Flesh and Stone > Fallen Angels > The Lost


 No.41388

File: c9bbd59f3e0b81b⋯.gif (339.62 KB, 350x197, 350:197, 4502e29b-4974-427d-80e8-29….gif)


 No.41389

How would you guys feel about the angels returning in Jodie Whittaker's era, and essentially becoming a syaple of the show like the Daleks or any other reccuring villain?


 No.41390

>>41389

*staple


 No.41391

>>41388

>nilso when dollard writes an episode


 No.41392

>>41389

Not a fan, they're too one-note and any way you'd expand them dulls that note. I'd rather the drashigs returned honestly, Chibnall could make some interesting environmentalist statements with them.


 No.41393

>>41387

>The End of Time

???


 No.41394

File: 905ec1819218740⋯.png (2.96 MB, 2266x1600, 1133:800, mg.png)

Changing the future. It's called marriage.


 No.41395

File: 43df0360956ad2b⋯.jpg (49.41 KB, 624x352, 39:22, protoangels.jpg)


 No.41396

>>41395

Do you have a headcanon surrounding that? Personally I like the idea that the angels are Gallifreyan in origin. The Doctor and Susan I think both mentioned Gallifrey having "red grass and trees with silver leaves", which is odd, because silver leaves could not photosynthesise. They would literally reflect the light they are supposed to absorb. Then I though, what if they dont soak up light, they soak up time energy? It makes sense to me that Gallifrey would be full of time energy and silver leaves would absorb time energy rather than light. The angels, which also feed on time energy, could have evolved on Gallifrey. Perhaps they were peaceful on Gallifrey, feeding off the natural time radiation… I wouldnt want them to spoil the mystery on the show, but I like having my own headcanons


 No.41397

File: 9e08f07caed8b0c⋯.jpg (6.24 KB, 225x225, 1:1, download (8).jpg)

(River is flying the Tardis while the Doctor is inconsolable.)

DOCTOR: River, they were your parents. I'm sorry, I didn't think.

RIVER: It doesn't matter.

DOCTOR: Of course it matters.

RIVER: What matters is this. Doctor, don't travel alone.

DOCTOR: Travel with me, then.

RIVER: Whenever and wherever you want. But not all the time. One psychopath per Tardis, don't you think?

Eughrrrrrrrrr, an actual series, even half/split series of Doctor/River adventures - no big River arc or whatever, just a natural, relaxed duo - would have been so great, and it's such a cheap copout how the characters justify us not getting it in the dialogue.


 No.41398

>>41397

You’re not evil, you’re smart


 No.41399

>>41396

I love that they're Gallifreyan in origin too, I think it ties in very nicely. I like your take. I always just had a vague handwavey thought that it's some timey-wimey thing to do with Time Lords and how they feed off/need time (was it 10 or 11 who freaked out some time in a dimension without natural time or something? I know 8 did in the Divergent Universe heaps). Maybe some Time War fuckup. Time Lords reduced to such an animalistic thing pleases me.

The real blackpill is getting on board the humans-become-time-lords train.


 No.41400

>>41396

>>41399

I prefer thinking that the Angels came from the previous universe. Or even that they're just anomalies of time.


 No.41401

>>41399

>The real blackpill is getting on board the humans-become-time-lords train

same desu. I like to think it was something simple, a spaceship crashes back in time and ends up on Gallifrey. The people evolve into what you see before you. (It kinda plays into my idea that TimeLords are just ordinary petty humans who happen to have a bit of an edge on the rest of us. And that their whole government is essentially the british parliament, if the british parliament had near infinite power over time and space. Theyre a bunch of elitist rich kids arguing about stupid shit while the fate of whole civilisations are at stake.

>>41400

Also a based idea. What do you think of this quote from Series 5?

>What if we had ideas that could think for themselves? What if one day our dreams no longer needed us? When these things occur and are held to be true, the time will be upon us. The Time of Angels.

It sort of implies they are ideas made alive. And fits in with the concept that their image is their power (their image degraded when they were starved, an angel was able to climb through a tv screen)


 No.41402

Why didn't River just let the Doctor borrow her vortex manipulator and he could still visit 1930s Amy and Rory that way?


 No.41403

>>41401

The Time Lords are just so pathetically human that yeah I prefer thinking it's somewhat literal instead of just lack of imagination or human politics being some deterministic reoccurring force across the universe.


 No.41404

>>41402

the doctor being in new york whatsoever causes a paradox

I'll explain later


 No.41405

File: ee98003b682eab0⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 31.25 KB, 618x416, 309:208, pertwee-has-hands.jpg)

>>41399

>>41401

>>41403

meta can be good in moderation, but I think that this would be taking it a few giant leaps too far. "Humans look Timelord" and the Briggs Finish/Faction Paradox explanations for why this is handle the thematics of this well, and are probably a better avenue for exploring the relationship beteween Earth and Gallifrey in the show without resorting to cheap reveals that constrain future storytelling possibilities. Besides, it would cheapen the Doctor's attatchment to earth if he were related to us like that.


 No.41406

The angels being memetic and coming alive from their image is very Faction Paradox, in a good way. Not saying Moff stole them but they would fit in that universe


 No.41407

I think the explanation was that the Doctor read it in the book so he knew he wouldnt meet them or something. idk.

What do you think of the theory that Season 7a happened out of order for the Doctor? ie he lost them in Angels take Manhattan and then had a few more adventures with them, knowing each one could be his last chance. It came from a continuity error where Rory references an event that doesnt happen til the following episode, but I think its an interesting idea


 No.41408

>>41407

>Rory references an event that doesnt happen til the following episode

what was that?


 No.41409

>>41402

The dumbest part about the Angels Take Manhattan’s ending is that Moffat has previously written an Angels episode about the Doctor hiding messages for someone to read decades later so they can meet up. Moffat had to retcon the ending in an interview and say that Amy and Rory meeting the Doctor under any situation would ruin time and it didn’t have anything to do with New York


 No.41410

File: 7498841cdd8b325⋯.png (327.89 KB, 1205x376, 1205:376, JimboJust.png)

>>41316

HE LOST ONE


 No.41411

>>41408

The Doctor chastises Rory for leaving his phone charger in Henry VIII’s en-suite in ‘A Town Called Mercy’, yet they don’t meet Henry VIII until a montage in 'The Power of Three’.


 No.41412

If Jim Mortimore is so good then why did the BBC reject his novel?


 No.41413

>>41410

Who here is gonna buck up and become his latest dinopatron?


 No.41414

File: c85cc51d7aab303⋯.png (50.81 KB, 510x1895, 102:379, jimbosample.png)

>>41412

it was too good for them to comprehend


 No.41415

>>41412

If the BBC is so good then why did they reject Doctor Who?


 No.41416

>>41408

>>41411

forgot to mention: the continuity error happened beacuse they changed their minds about the specific order of the episodes. I find it interesting that in Series 7, you can swap two episodes and the character arcs arent affected, but you couldnt swap any 2 episodes in Series 8. Pretty much every ep effects 12 and Clara's relationship in some way.


 No.41417

File: 2a8ec2ea434447e⋯.jpg (31.41 KB, 700x700, 1:1, Jim Mortimore Vortis.jpg)

Speaking of Jimbo, and in light of recent events…

>If The Web Planet was a four hour movie directed by Tarkovsky, with a score inspired by Holst, Ligeti, Eduard Artemyev, John Carpenter & Tangerine Dream. . .

https://jimmortimore.bandcamp.com/album/vortis-music-inspired-by-the-web-planet


 No.41418

>>41378

Don't bully the Nils


 No.41419

When will we get Shadman art of Jodie?


 No.41420

>>41419

Better be soon


 No.41421

The Doctor is not for lewding


 No.41422

>>41405

>exploring the relationship beteween Earth and Gallifrey in the show without resorting to cheap reveals that constrain future storytelling possibilities.

I would hate it if the show actually did a "genesis of the time lords" type of story, but I like thinking about these things. A lot of my headcanons would be terrible in the show, but seem pretty cool in my head, when thinking about the Whoniverse.


 No.41423

>>41418

t. assblasted nilsoy


 No.41424

>>41422

This, they're often more fun as fanfiction too rather than stuff we'd actually see on the show.


 No.41425

File: f4ae253fde299c4⋯.gif (997.83 KB, 500x281, 500:281, 13a82c066cbd05b57d40e4dd66….gif)


 No.41426

File: d7e86e789d598f3⋯.gif (1.69 MB, 477x270, 53:30, ecclejam.gif)

>>41424

keepin' those possibilities open


 No.41427

Where the FUCK is nilsoy


 No.41428

>>41427

What do you have against soy, Neo?


 No.41429

>>41428

Nilso loves it more than Doctor Who


 No.41430

Tell me about Mortimore. Why should I read his novels?


 No.41431

Just learned that the writer of The Web Planet was from Australia.

honestly seems to make complete sense


 No.41432

Who'll be watching Mark and Steven's Dracula? Three 90 minute episodes based off the original novel.


 No.41433

>>41432

Was that just confirmed or something?


 No.41434

>>41433

Yes, Mark said it at some Q&A


 No.41435

>>41433

not confirmed officially, but Moff and Gattiss said theyre doing it eventually they should do a modern version and call it "Vlad"


 No.41436

>>41431

How so?


 No.41437

>>41435

I thought they said it's the project they're currently working on?


 No.41438

>>41436

Lots of big wide open space, less claustrophobic than most Who.

Maybe I'm being silly.


 No.41439

File: 3ca54df4926a057⋯.jpg (29.48 KB, 341x512, 341:512, jodielook.jpg)

Happy 36th Birthday to our incoming Doctor… I think?

Some sources say her birthday is the 3rd, others say it's the 17th. I don't know which to believe.


 No.41440

>>41439

Lads, she’s not in Faction Hollywood is she?


 No.41441

>>41439

The official DW Twitter said it's today.


 No.41442

File: 678335a0cc6e5b8⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 94.87 KB, 201x277, 201:277, jodie.png)

>>41441

Ah. Berlin.


 No.41443

Rank the River episodes. Just actual episodes, no minisodes or audios. And don't be a smartarse and include Closing Time.

>The Pandorica Opens | The Big Bang

>The Impossible Astronaut | Day of the Moon

>The Husbands of River Song

>Silence in the Library | Forest of the Dead

>The Angels Take Manhattan

>The Time of Angels | Flesh and Stone

>A Good Man Goes to War

>The Name of the Doctor

>Let's Kill Hitler

>The Wedding of River Song


 No.41444

File: 1c658cd7b037ac0⋯.png (467.24 KB, 580x601, 580:601, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.41445

kinda a little mad we just had an angry doctor, jodie would be the perfect angry doctor


 No.41446

>>41445

every doctor gets their angry moments


 No.41447

>>41445

>referring to yourself in third person

mongo likes candy!


 No.41448

>>41443

10- The Wedding of River Song

9-The Name of the Doctor

8- The Angels Take Manhattan

7- Let's Kill Hitler

6- The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon

5- A Good Man Goes To War

4- The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone

3- The Wedding of River Song

2- The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang

1- Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead

Haven't seen most of these in ages.

Never actually watched The Angels Take Manhattan


 No.41449

>>41448

and the one at number 3 shoud be Husbands


 No.41450

>>41447

lmfao


 No.41451


 No.41452

>>41447

lmao

>>41448

Why no TATM viewing?


 No.41453

When you watch Kinda do you watch with giant puppet or cgi?


 No.41454

>>41451

it's been so long since ive seen them posted i completely forgot the fake trips actually had anime depictions of them


 No.41455

>>41453

CGI fits the dreamier vibe of the episode and the concept of the Mara better imo. Usually I prefer original effects but I like that one.


 No.41456

>>41452

Started watching the new series while Series 7 was airing; took a bit of a break after Series 6.

Out of Series 7, have only watched Name (on before the 50th where I was) and Journey to the Center of the Tardis, because the concept sounded great.

Hearing about how generic and naff it was from everyone else didn't make me want to bother with the rest. The two I'd seen fit with what everyone else was saying - didn't like the 50th or Time much either. It got better afterwards, of course.


 No.41457

>>41453

The iconic giant puppet is the only way to go.


 No.41458


 No.41459

unless I go into Incognito mode the site CSS is broken. I cleared my cookies and the problem persists. help me lads


 No.41460

Doctor Who episodes about being cold?


 No.41461

>>41460

The Sn


 No.41462

File: 2304bbbc50684cf⋯.png (565.42 KB, 1280x800, 8:5, The Whole Universe Logopol….png)

>>41460

Logopolis

The endpoint of entropy's as cold as it gets, yes?


 No.41463

>>41459

>unless I go into Incognito mode the site CSS is broken

thanks for posting this hot tip. I haven't been able to post for ours because the captcha wont load


 No.41464

>>41453

Puppet. CGI in Classic Who always breaks my immersion more than bad effects.


 No.41465

>>41460

Amy's Choice. Comes with comfy ponchos.


 No.41466

File: 770a40889c79a26⋯.jpg (8.55 KB, 250x184, 125:92, 1527938955997 (1).jpg)


 No.41467

>>41466

>star wars episode 9: its better than solo


 No.41468

File: 9d50cb58201af5c⋯.jpg (91.88 KB, 404x392, 101:98, 1443637382395.jpg)

>tfw there are anons who can't post right now because 8chan is fucking up and nobody even cares


 No.41469

>>41467

i doubt it


 No.41470

>>41466

>arrested development returns to form

debatable


 No.41471

File: 206df41ebafead9⋯.jpg (207.06 KB, 846x1200, 141:200, DewaAj2W4AA3YLs.jpg)


 No.41472

>>41471

Why's an old lady just hanging out with them?


 No.41473

Planet of the Zarbi

Planet of the Krynoids

Planet of the Weeping Angels

Planet of the Creature From The Pit

Planet of Salamander

Just some ideas for Briggs Finish to use in the future


 No.41474

>>41472

that's briggs' mum, be nice


 No.41475

>>41472

That's the Twelve.


 No.41477

>>41475

They recast Capaldi as a woman?


 No.41478

if Nilso is good where is Nilso 2?


 No.41479

File: 273c422ff38f554⋯.png (335.21 KB, 705x650, 141:130, 1443537268488.png)


 No.41480

File: 95785b44298bf1e⋯.jpg (32.17 KB, 348x503, 348:503, 3335964dff3a45a58e885522e0….jpg)

Doctor Who and the Tupperware is available to order now

http://professorhowe-theplasticperil.strikingly.com/


 No.41481

File: 0cc6154fdfef4fa⋯.png (542.32 KB, 562x375, 562:375, doctor how.png)

>>41480

is this some kind of Doctor How knockoff?


 No.41482

>>41481

the fact that this turned out to be just some guy promoting his weird self-published fanfiction, rather than a conspiracy theorist, still astounds me


 No.41483

File: 032d73176903222⋯.gif (706.22 KB, 245x150, 49:30, nilsowho.gif)


 No.41485


 No.41486

>>41485

More like Nilsoy.


 No.41487


 No.41488

>>41487

Welp. Joke's on me for assuming they would have a reliable source as to things they post about their lead actress.


 No.41489

>>41488

The joke's on Nilso, in fact. You see, he can't get the captchas to load here, and is wailing away in the stream, unable to join in the thread.


 No.41491

>>41489

Tell nilso I know how to get around that problem but am not going to tell him because I don't like him as a person


 No.41492

>>41491

??? This is Nilso we're talking about.


 No.41493

File: 7c6f262b32f4dba⋯.webm (5.17 MB, 600x720, 5:6, Martha.webm)


 No.41494

Rose

Martha

Donna

Amy

Clara

Bill


 No.41495

>>41494

What the fuck?


 No.41496

File: bdaee21b083d0b7⋯.png (189.16 KB, 279x282, 93:94, 3Jb7Gxr.png)

>>41491

suck my left one, incognito works


 No.41497

>>41496

What the fuck?


 No.41498

>>41495

Mickey

Jack

Wilf

Rory

Nardole


 No.41499

>>41492

exactly


 No.41500

File: f1642c8c77b0590⋯.png (330.99 KB, 1920x930, 64:31, 6b6f505260948b918d06e1a4fe….png)

>>41499

Hey babe, what's up? Kitty got your tongue?


 No.41501

nilso


 No.41502

File: 8483635d73b8b0a⋯.png (102.49 KB, 250x250, 1:1, 1443539113830.png)


 No.41503

>>41414

I love this shit


 No.41504


 No.41505

>>41491

t. Cheetah


 No.41506

>>41362

From nilsexual Nilsovania


 No.41507

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Quite timely.


 No.41508

>>41498

I’d place Adam above Jack but below Mickey


 No.41509

>>41508

anon he's just writing them in order


 No.41510

>>41414

This is amazing, but what the fuck is happening?


 No.41511

>>41509

that anon's Adam suggestion would fit that though


 No.41512

File: 27511c0557c9f43⋯.png (288.9 KB, 305x464, 305:464, jimbocake.png)


 No.41513

Is there a Dr. Who version of the Harlem Shuffle?


 No.41514


 No.41515

File: 5672a917a58bb96⋯.jpg (49.45 KB, 570x760, 3:4, nutella pasta.jpg)

doctor who equivalent?


 No.41516

>>41515

Isn't that what Sandy ate today


 No.41517

Nilscongo


 No.41518

>The Second Secret of Dr. Who: The authorities of his own (or some other future) time are not concerned merely with the theft of an obsolete machine; they are seriously concerned to prevent his monkeying with time, because his secret intention, when he finds his ideal past, is to destroy or nullify the future.

>[Handwritten note from Sydney Newman: "Nuts"]


 No.41519

9 - 4chan

8 - reddit

10 - tumblr

11 - twitter

1 - twitch

12 - 8chan


 No.41520

>>41519

I would argue that 11 is more Tumblr, honestly. 10 is more Facebook than anything.


 No.41521

File: 7c9152779474a12⋯.png (641.8 KB, 640x641, 640:641, so.png)


 No.41522

>>41520

hola 4chan!


 No.41523

>>41518

>because his secret intention, when he finds his ideal past, is to destroy or nullify the future.

what the fuck did they mean by this


 No.41524

File: 98a955c0c1ed59c⋯.jpg (58.95 KB, 508x360, 127:90, the feeling was friendship.jpg)

negiga


 No.41525

>>41524

t. Ingiga


 No.41526

>>41525

t. neo


 No.41527

>>41526

I like you because you're secure in your anonymity, unlike me.


 No.41528


 No.41529

File: 51ff6e9534425c1⋯.png (20.09 KB, 640x868, 160:217, ClipboardImage.png)

>>41510

Summary from someone who read it years ago and stitched that image from 3 separate pages: the first TARDIS team is experiencing a total breakdown of time as the TARDIS goes haywire, resulting in multiple versions of them from alternate timelines (and pre-final character outlines) appearing and going insane. This isn't even from the final act of the book.

Mortimore in the author commentary:

>So here’s the first page (p170) inspired by Alfred Bester’s Golem100. I’d had this page in my head for for a while now – ever since working in Lewisham Borough Council print shop at the age of about 22. Actually that’s not strictly true. I had a funky riff on this image. A page filled with the word “trapped” with a space in the middle with a single phrase of dialogue: “help.”Like this:

<(pic related)

>See? This is a case of show and tell. Let the words do what they say. A style Bester was quite brilliant at. Trapped-help was my first real attempt at this sort of writing. Years later it turned up in Campaign, heavily (iterated) modified as the image you see on p170, where the subject take the form of two lines, “Oh GOD it’s INISDE Me.” And “Oh it’s GOD inside me.” Line 2 qualifies line one rather neatly and both together take the shape of a crucifix walled by the word “help” which of course, qualifies the combination of lines one and two again by letting us know how the person undergoing this moment of epiphany feels about the experience. Six words to describe a multitude of layered information and feeling you could only just squeeze into a paragraph the size of this one.

>Neat huh?


 No.41530

Gatiss confirms Capaldi will be in Dracula https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kUKocwBHSI


 No.41531

>>41530

But I thought Peter Capaldi hated Moffat because of his Writing?


 No.41532

Better clip from Gatiss, sounds like Capaldi will be playing the title role then? https://youtu.be/BN-Wg_HOEmU


 No.41533

>>41529

That's really fucking brilliant. Artsy in a slightly pretentious way, but undeniably brilliant. Do you know of any more necessary Jimbo reading?


 No.41534

>>41530

you cheeky fuck


 No.41535

>>41534

Memes aside, check out >>41532


 No.41536

stay hungry stay foolish


 No.41537


 No.41538

>>41537

Ok, this is epic


 No.41539

File: 93fd82db7dd72da⋯.jpg (82.34 KB, 997x1037, 997:1037, PeNilso.jpg)

caption this image


 No.41540

>>41539

"You guys are gonna love this film. Snyder is a master of visual storytelling"


 No.41541

>>41539

Eat, Nilso


 No.41542

>>41541

eaT. Nilso?


 No.41543

>>41540

does it count as a soy image since he's actually putting something into his mouth


 No.41544

>>41539

"I love stuffing my mouth with dark meat."


 No.41545

File: 76b2efed13927ca⋯.jpg (17.23 KB, 251x320, 251:320, lewd.jpg)


 No.41546

File: 9b137c769554b1b⋯.jpg (147.61 KB, 1080x1349, 1080:1349, 14073209_1759423430992953_….jpg)

File: 246f5b9cc8da95b⋯.jpg (94.63 KB, 912x912, 1:1, 13671837_1005419146242450_….jpg)

File: 090174dfc37fc55⋯.jpg (88.48 KB, 1080x1080, 1:1, 12424777_224565904576818_1….jpg)

File: aca7dfe71d919de⋯.jpg (115.91 KB, 1080x1080, 1:1, 12725002_1651932265059041_….jpg)

What's the best Nilso dr outfit?


 No.41547

>>41546

"The Leathermen" look.


 No.41548

>>41546

Blue scarf + black leather was kino.


 No.41549

>>41546

Just curious, why choose the feast day and lenten vestments?


 No.41550

>>41549

I was trying to think of ones Nilso would actually feasibly wear.


 No.41551

>>41533

Well there's Blood Heat Director's Cut, which isn't nearly as bonkers as Campaign but rewrites/expands half the novel to be a shitload more ambitious. I may actually have a pdf of that to upload somewhere, I think it deserves a bit more exposure than it's had as a file Jim emails to you for the price of a drink. Watch this space.


 No.41552

File: 1c70414bd69eb7e⋯.jpg (4.88 KB, 198x255, 66:85, index.jpg)

File: 2a55b7ffc0a9df6⋯.jpg (63.25 KB, 600x398, 300:199, fl101.jpg)

>>41550

The green with the chirho is what Nilso is probably wearing as we speak. But the black is something more akin to what I'd see the Nilso Doctor wearing.


 No.41553

Is Nilso a good catholic boy?


 No.41554

File: fc7358acbac4fcd⋯.jpg (53.26 KB, 704x713, 704:713, 1516452427719.jpg)

>>41552

good god the black w/ gold trim is gorgeous


 No.41555

File: dd91fe673a9ae72⋯.gif (934.26 KB, 600x454, 300:227, dd9.gif)

>>41551

>still no pdf

You're not going to do it, are you? Do you know why? It's because you're weak. You're gutless as well as a coward.


 No.41556

Padre Nilso

Nilso Rivera

&

Nilso Show

in

THE DAY OF THE NILSO


 No.41557

>>41555

I intended the tone of the post to be more "i might do it in a while" than "I will go and upload it right now".


 No.41558

Black/Gold Daleks when?


 No.41559

File: ca7b289326ac9a3⋯.jpg (44.29 KB, 768x433, 768:433, sean_bean.jpg)

>>41557

If that is what is to be done, let it be done already. I will have no further part of this.


 No.41560

>>41553

No, he touched my peepee when i was a little boy :'(


 No.41561

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

There's one Nilso I've tried very hard to forget…


 No.41562

File: 6a1b670093f33b1⋯.jpg (173.18 KB, 1280x854, 640:427, tumblr_o8pqt0U82N1vx5jz3o1….jpg)

>>41558

kino colour scheme


 No.41563

>>41561

"What I did, I did without choice. In the name of sanity"

"But not in the name of the Nilso"


 No.41564

>>41563

Introducing

NILSY

as

THE NILSO


 No.41565

>>41561

>tfw this made you feel nostalgic for someone you've never met


 No.41567

>>41564

Nilso no more!


 No.41569

>>41565

I am an old man. Old men tend not to have anything left to risk but themselves.


 No.41570

Just got a manuscript of Book of the Peace … this is gonna be a really, really good anthology.


 No.41571

File: 2f67f4f06d5c9da⋯.png (1.52 MB, 1202x1096, 601:548, ClipboardImage.png)

wow….


 No.41572

File: a2f22942dc4291f⋯.jpg (119.69 KB, 1024x666, 512:333, DalekSupreme.jpg)

>>41571

how will /got/ ever recover?


 No.41573

>>41570

wow….


 No.41574

>>41406

Tried to do this in my "Book of the Enemy" story, though I wasn't hardly inventive enough with it. I was rushed ok

>>41405

The Younger World Story is one of those things that's really fun to hint at, but utterly impossible to tell any stories about.

>>41551

BHDC is fucking wild. Love the Flux Doctor. There's a comic in the Unbound anthology set during the book, would recommend

>>41573

….mom


 No.41575

>>41574

wow n8 wow


 No.41576

>>41575

How's it going, Neo?


 No.41577

File: 8d5294904789c41⋯.jpg (24.02 KB, 400x400, 1:1, hewhelan.jpg)


 No.41578

>>41576

Oh god I'm Immigrant


 No.41579

>>41578

Thoughts on Jodie having 2 birthdays on 3 and 17 June?


 No.41580

File: d23bacadc42139a⋯.jpg (199 KB, 1125x1232, 1125:1232, collapse.jpg)


 No.41581

File: edaaf5eab671084⋯.jpg (63.34 KB, 640x640, 1:1, CG8NcilUcAAklYA.jpg)

>>41576

Hi G-, uh, N8. It's going good, hacking away at the soon-to-release ST2.5. Tricky/fulfilling editing long stories. How's BOTP and yourself?


 No.41582

>>41571

Celebrities Are Human?! Check Out These Top 13 Times 'Game of Thrones' Stars Got High!


 No.41583

>>41579

Doctor Who was never good with dates


 No.41584

>>41578

fucking kek


 No.41585

>>41582

Nilso Is Just Like Us - And Why That's A Good Thing


 No.41586

>>41581

That man is my favorite member of Blind Wave


 No.41587


 No.41588

>>41587

What the fuck?


 No.41589

File: 8b0c98ffacbac59⋯.gif (494.56 KB, 400x227, 400:227, giphy.gif)

tfw you realise the second cancellation will result in modern BF being the most official Doctor Who we get


 No.41590

>>41589

So it finally hit you, Mr. I-Want-Doctor-Who-To-Get-Cancelled-Because-It-Would-Be-So-Subversive.


 No.41591

>>41590

Amazing, everything you just said was wrong.


 No.41592

>>41589

People want a second cancellation so currents fans can take over and give their takes but what would really happen is Briggs, Dorney and Fitton would get more power and influence on Doctor Who and even write for the televised show if it comes back a third time


 No.41593

>>41592

The BBC will never let an audio only writer write for the show, let alone spearhead it.


 No.41594

I am a dangerous, dangerous man with a dangerous, dangerous boat.


 No.41595

nilsos


 No.41596

Seasons of Fear > Th


 No.41597

Oh look at me ain't i cute. t nilso


 No.41598

Why is the twitch stream still online


 No.41599

GAY


 No.41600

Nilso


 No.41601

NILSO ANGRY

NILSO SMASH


 No.41602

me nilso. me am gay.


 No.41603

That nilso ain't correct. He is flawed


 No.41604

nilso smash rock. nilso make fire. nilso become tribe leader.


 No.41605

nilso abstain from vote. nilso think both sides bad as each other.


 No.41606

nilso want to see the emails


 No.41607

nilso think trump giant douche. nilso think hillary turd sandwich. nilso get opinion from cartoon.


 No.41608

File: 5ce3f150b88edf5⋯.png (9.31 KB, 322x296, 161:148, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.41609

>>41607

Okay, this is epic.


 No.41610

>>41609

This subverted my expectations


 No.41611

>>41610

using a meme phrase and playing it straight subverts your expectations?


 No.41612

>>41611

yes. does this subvert your expectations of me?


 No.41613

666


 No.41614

>>41574

>The Younger World Story is one of those things that's really fun to hint at, but utterly impossible to tell any stories about.

Didn't "We Are The Enemy" basically do that?


 No.41615

>>41579

When I search those dates on the Tardis Wiki, I get results about Hitler and Vlad III.

Reminder that one of Brookhaven's films was called "Jodie's Law"

>>41581

BotP is wonderful. Expect the return of some settings we haven't seen since Lawrence Miles' EDAs.

>>41587

Hello!

>>41589

BF will take TV's spot and Obverse will take BF's spot?

>>41614

Fair point. I don't see many more directions it can be taken, though. Highly doubt anyone will be writing a novel where the Great Houses break out of their bottle universe and take the fight to Lawrence Miles. (Though I would love to read that.)


 No.41616

>>41615

What is your general redpill on Obverse? I'd ask for a bluepill and blackpill as well but that's probably not appropriate considering you're published by them.

I don't think BF can take TV's spot in any meaningful sense even as we bandy around the idea; the sheer magnitude to which they're creatively content with their current ambitions kind of sets the ceiling on what they'll do. But I think Observe certainly could take the spot BF has here, like on /who/ and spaces like it.

I hate doing this because I hate to be asked this sort of question when/if my answer is 'no', but with a writer like you it's worth gritting my teeth and doing it anyway - did you ever get around to smashing out that ~15min 2.5 fic of yours? No worries if you didn't. Still time if you've interest.


 No.41617

>>41615

>Reminder that one of Brookhaven's films was called "Jodie's Law"

Another was called "The Long Coolth of Summer". I wonder if Simon Bucher-Jones wrote that bit?

>BotP is wonderful. Expect the return of some settings we haven't seen since Lawrence Miles' EDAs.

Interesting - the only major location that springs to mind is the planet Dust. The alternative regeneration and all the Foreman's World stuff makes it feel like an intensely Doctor Who-ish place, but I suppose there's nothing that would legally prevent it from resurfacing in a Faction Paradox context.


 No.41618

Is there an episode you thought was pretty good on first watch, but on rewatch your opinion massively shot up to think it's was great/perfect/a classic?

I have that with Husbands of River Song. Every time I watch it I admire it more and more and think it's legit one of Moff's best. It's so well-constructed and so fucking effortless - the lorework, the emotions, the humour, all of it is done so deftly it barely feels like anything was done at all, but you prod it or look closer and the sheer skill of it all is so impressive. I'm still amazed Moffat was able to rejig River and all the tangles around her so well, and in such a beautiful story.

Spearhead as well, when I watched it as a kid I thought it was neat, but I'd already seen Rose by that point so it felt less revelatory. After getting more context about the eras of the show, and watching The War Games and things like that, it slammed me in the face with how brilliant it is.


 No.41619

>>41523

Originally, in the very first script notes (back when he was gonna be a future human), "Dr. Who" was to be a man obsessed with keeping the status quo and creating ideal conditions, to the point that he hated scientists. He wanted to stop the concept of progress altogether.

Obviously, he got changed later.


 No.41620

>>41616

Yes, he did. It's in the Google Drive.


 No.41621

>>41581

Editing long stories? The framing story, you mean?

And how are you doing today, Neo?


 No.41622

File: d4659d0b484caeb⋯.jpg (111.76 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, maxresdefault (1).jpg)

If, as originally planned, The Husbands of River Song was indeed Moffat's last episode, Chibnall still didn't do Doctor Who in 2017 because he wanted to do Broadchurch series 3 instead, and Moffat DIDN'T take on Series 10 to keep the show alive and not on hiatus for 2017, what do you think the state of things would be like?

Do you think Chibnall would keep Capaldi on for a whole series, or regen him quickly into Jodie? Do you think we'd get any kind of content in 2017? Who from?


 No.41623


 No.41624

File: 84fd7f0c534be6e⋯.jpg (496.97 KB, 3840x2160, 16:9, 1443615645152.jpg)

>>41622

>Do you think we'd get any kind of content in 2017? Who from?


 No.41625

>>41622

I quite like the (probably bullshit) rumour that they were considering getting Whithouse to guest-showrun a shortened series starring Tilda Swinton as the Doctor. Would have been an interesting mess.


 No.41626

>>41618

Amy's Choice for sure. The brilliance of it didn't necessarily jump out on first transmission when we were trying to work out what to expect, but returned to, it's easily a classic.


 No.41627

>>41624

Maybe another series of Class?

>>41625

I like almost every part of that plan, except the part where Whithouse is in charge.


 No.41628

>>41627

I'll grudgingly accept shows run by awful writers if it means one or two great episodes will make it through the cracks. It was worth resurrecting The X-Files as a shambling zombie just for those two Darin Morgan scripts IMO.


 No.41629

>>41628

I have no idea which two darin morgan wrote, and i haven't seen any of the last season, but chris carter episodes/arcs of the x files are terrible. I just can't give a shit. There were two stand out episodes in the season before last that were pretty amazing the MUSH ROOM and Rhys Darby episodes.


 No.41630

>>41629

Newest season has a great episode about the Mandela Effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaSEk3MLNu4


 No.41631

>>41629

You should definitely watch The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat, even if you have zero interest in the new season. Darin Morgan wrote it and the Rhys Darby episode, and they're very much on the same wavelength.


 No.41632

Class has been added to Netflix UK.


 No.41633

>>41630

>>41631

I will eventually watch the whole season. I'm a glutton for punishment. The delay is mostly my normal piracy site went to shit so i've fallen behind on my viewings. I've heard good things about that mandela ep and I'll be looking for the forehead sweat one too. Speaking of Rhys Darby I just got a copy of "What we do in the shadows" I can't wait to watch.


 No.41634

File: 44d5bc6cd267ee1⋯.png (1.25 MB, 1939x1292, 1939:1292, RTDBasement.png)


 No.41635

File: 6fc27a7155d483d⋯.jpg (65.86 KB, 333x349, 333:349, 1443536033854.jpg)

>>41634

how did nobody think of this earlier


 No.41636

File: 0ec2e9a09a23c30⋯.jpg (332.03 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, IMG_3913.jpg)

https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1003319938986250240

>>41621

Something caught on tape, you could say.

>>41624

He was the showrunner in the year it was impossible to get it right…

>>41627

>I like almost every part of that plan, except the part where Whithouse is in charge.

Based

>>41633

What We Do In The Shadows is good kiwi fun, enjoy!

>>41634

>>41635

> I become the Doctor, a Time Lord, and - I could have a catchphrase? I could have a great catchphrase, like, my catchphrase could be "Quel dommage!". Like, "Quel dommage, Davros!". Like, and I could, like, and instead of like having a sonic screwdriver I could have and, and…


 No.41637

>>41636

When did Briggs Finish stop making good covers?


 No.41638

>>41616

>I don't think BF can take TV's spot in any meaningful sense even as we bandy around the idea; the sheer magnitude to which they're creatively content with their current ambitions kind of sets the ceiling on what they'll do.

That's a good take. Sometimes I wonder exactly how much the Beebs is limiting BF from being more experimental; I've seen a few people blame the War Doctor's boringness on that. Not sure how much I trust it, but it remains to be said that BF's best output in the last several years has been in the spinoffs.

>What is your general redpill on Obverse?

>But I think Observe certainly could take the spot BF has here, like on /who/ and spaces like it.

I think Obverse is closest thing we have to a last vestige of the Wilderness mentality and attitudes toward Who. Not just in the "Iris and the Faction" sense, but also in the "actively recruiting writers from the fanbase" sense. A lot of that is due to their focus on short stories, which is a wonderful strength in the post-"Short Trips" world.

(Though I feel a little bit guilty for not having gotten more into the Erimem series. I mean, Jimbo's writing a fucking trilogy. That's bound to be something. Plus Iain McLaughlin is a bro.)

I used to be a little salty about the direction they've taken the FP range (ie more scifi aesthetic, and more towards Dr Who than standalone. I know published FP writers who have told me they can't conceive of how the range could possibly be standalone from Dr Who: absolutely mind-blowing to hear, when that was the whole point at the start.) But then I realized that it's kind of necessary to sustain the influx of new writers. I've seen some people complain that Obverse pulls in fewer "big names" than MNP did, which I don't think is even true, if you count it out; and even then, I have to point out that (arguably) the best MNP FP book was written by someone whose only previous writing experience was in charity anthologies. If you want to find the new names who are most likely to pioneer the conceptual future of the Doctor Who universe, look no further than Obverse's writers lists. My only complaint would be that they've not done enough to promote the FP range to fandom, so they might be missing some of the folks with the best ideas. But I've done my best to fix the obscurity issue, at least.

At the same time … it seems to me like Obverse is starting to do the shift that MNP did around the time it dropped FP, what with the hard pivot towards reference guides and all. It's unsurprising that Black Archive is a more profitable range than FP or Iris, and on the one hand, that success has been channeled into Obverse's other output: if BotP comes out soon (which it should), that'll be the sixth FP release since the start of 2017, a pace we haven't seen since ~fifteen years ago when everything was just getting started and audios were still coming out. But it also means that eg PPH doesn't even have time to run the City range anymore, and as time passes I get more and more concerned about how I've heard absolutely nothing about any Faction or City releases planned beyond BotP. So who knows what the future will hold.

Re ST2.5: cf >>41620 , I could send a copy direct to you as well. Moffchad@gmail.com?

>>41617

>Another was called "The Long Coolth of Summer". I wonder if Simon Bucher-Jones wrote that bit?

It's entirely possible – there were a ton of people involved in the Brookhaven stuff, to my knowledge. I kind of doubt it was an intentional allusion, though, considering the obvious "Warmth" pun. I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered "The Long Coloth of Summer" as a title for something or other.

>Interesting - the only major location that springs to mind is the planet Dust.

Think harder. (Really my bad for specifying "setting", which is probably misleadingly specific.)

>>41518

>>41619

I'd love to see this idea done in a novel or comic or something.


 No.41639

>>41633

>I've heard good things about that mandela ep and I'll be looking for the forehead sweat one too.

Conveniently, they're the same episode

>Think harder. (Really my bad for specifying "setting", which is probably misleadingly specific.)

Hmm. A chronological setting maybe? I've been assuming the whole book is set post-War, which is an era that hasn't really been explored since Alien Bodies, but I hadn't considered the possibility of specific EDA elements being revisited. A story that found a copyright-friendly way to explore the Doctor's death on Dronid would be pretty based.


 No.41640

File: ad9769f435d705e⋯.png (1.04 MB, 1200x1200, 1:1, jennycover.png)


 No.41641

>>41640

Based Lym


 No.41642

>>41640

why did they think they could make a cyborg?


 No.41643

>>41642

They did change the character from a black guy to an old woman, presumably to shake off the Cyborg comparisons.

>>41637

I do actually think they do a decent one now and again still, but I muuuuuuuuuuuch preferred the more stylised ones in the early main range. At least they finally dropped the horrendous sidebar.

>>41638

I don't really get too worried about Briggs Finish eclipsing anything or replacing anything precisely because I feel like we have zero to fear from the ambitions of those running it. I'd prefer having something to fear beyond endless output, honestly. Imagine a Briggs on the warpath to make some sort of radical imprint on Who as we know it. I guess he probably feels he's already done that honestly, and to be fair the end of the EDAudios did push stuff enough that I'll give him credit there. But these days…nah. Potential redpill: the New Series license has handicapped them, hard, enabling them to coast off easy marketability and also bringing the BBC's eyes closer down upon them. They've lost the limitations and freedoms they thrived upon. Dark Eyes did interesting vague stuff swirling around the Time War, but 8's Time War serious does horrible self-evident shit just doing the fucking Time War, etc.

The War Doctor stuff I believe, I know how irritating it is to have someone insist something is real and be too lazy to bring up sources but I swear on Jimbo's life I've seen in Vortex/heard on the podcast/absorbed somewhere else from some of the actual producers/creatives at BF that the BBC gave them some strictures for the WarDoc stuff. I feel like it was Briggs on the podcast but imagine actually digging through those to find the clip. I guess we could tweet them but I feel like they're more cagey on twitter under the big public eye compared to quieter comments on their own channels.

Oh the spinoffs and non DW stuff thrive just fine, for sure, I have zero issues with most of those. Their Classics range is consistently super solid, Torchwood and River are legitimately very-good-to-occasionally-legit-great, etc. James Goss is the lifeblood of good BF.

Can't remember if I've had this conversation with you specifically before, but something that kills me with the Chibnall era is the severance of NewWho from the wilderness. It was a long time coming, but with RTD and Moff gone and Chibnall and his attitude to past Who being what it is, really feels like we're gonna lose that link. It'll always be present in tiny ways, little characterisation and setting things, but that active writer link to the wilderness era I'm pretty sure is dimming out for good. RIP to the most creative and reflective period of Doctor Who having any direct bearing on the present. But, like you say…Obverse! They're in the present!

Can't agree with you more on the fanbase pull stuff. So important.

I got the story now dw, should've thought to double check on that other channel. Exciting!


 No.41644

Imagine if the Class audios are actually good. I don't see how, with the writers, the premise, the setting, and the company producing them, but…imagine.


 No.41645

>>41636

>>41639

Cool beans.


 No.41646

>>41640

I AM GRANBOT!!!


 No.41647

>>41646

Shit. Grandroid is much better


 No.41648

File: f05aa8f95ca790a⋯.png (412.19 KB, 5000x5000, 1:1, f05.png)

Class, but it's pitched by Loz or Jimbo.


 No.41649

>>41648

That one girl from the TSJA pilot did make it into FP.


 No.41650

>>41643

I honestly don't think these things would even cross Briggs's mind. He has no concept of ambitious or complex storytelling. He thinks pragmatically, in terms of which actors and properties he has access to, and how he can maximise the efficiency of his symbiotic relationship with middle-aged guys who want to gorge on continuity and nostalgic recreations of stuff they saw as children. I can't imagine Briggs reading Dick or Vonnegut. I can't imagine him reading fucking anything.


 No.41651

>>41644

What's wrong with these writers? Who would you want to write for audio class?


 No.41652

>>41650

BF is sick, and I think they need a doctor.


 No.41653

>>41651

They're not Patrick Ness, and Patrick Ness.


 No.41654

>>41651

But seriously, I like Guy Adams a lot and Handcock sometimes, but the other writers I recognise don't really make me think the stories will be super memorable. I am glad Fitton and Dorney aren't on the range, and I'm glad Goss is busying himself with better things.


 No.41655

>>41653

Scott Handcock said PNess had some involvement


 No.41656

How do we fix Briggs Finish?


 No.41657

File: 3c1fddbf820a2b6⋯.png (178.85 KB, 186x507, 62:169, We Love RTD.png)

>>41656

I don't know what you mean it's perfect


 No.41658

>>41656

Remove the Doctor Who licence.


 No.41659

>>41658

I've heard good things about their shakespere adaptations


 No.41660

>>41659

Yeah they're great, Warner made a great Lear.


 No.41661

The BBC revokes Briggs Finish's Doctor Who licence and gives it to Ian levine. What happens?


 No.41662

>>41661

Even more fanwank and sequels to classic stories


 No.41663


 No.41664

File: 677e50a5f2681fd⋯.png (1.88 MB, 1200x900, 4:3, ClipboardImage.png)

Nilso smokes


 No.41665


 No.41666

>>41663

Can we get her to t nilso?


 No.41667

>>41666

For Nilso, wouldn't it be more like "We made it N8 - Berlin 1945!"


 No.41668

>>41661

Nothing changes


 No.41669


 No.41670

>>41669

>Asperger's syndrome, aspiring screenwriter, #LibDem liberal, pro-EU, #Remoaner, #FBPE, #WATON, #ExitFromBrexit, #resist #Dotard #tRump/#PutinsPuppet.

what an insufferable creature


 No.41671

File: 2e229669b164fac⋯.jpg (91.04 KB, 315x437, 315:437, Smug_matt_2.jpg)

>>41670

>#tRump


 No.41672

>>41669

>followers include Piss Heather

wew


 No.41673

What's your favourite tweet? This is mine https://twitter.com/TeaNilso/status/1002678462648324096


 No.41674

>>41670

I don't see anything wrong here?


 No.41675

>>41674

On a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate the "tRump" pun.


 No.41676

>>41674

Imagine including not one, not two, but THREE hackneyed and unfunny Donald Trump hashtags IN YOUR BIO OF YOURSELF


 No.41677

>>41675

Neo, I have no thoughts on it.


 No.41678

>>41676

I never include hackneyed hashtags in my bio. The trouble with hackneyed hashtags is you can never be sure…who's hacking who.

>>41677

Something tells me he mightn't either.


 No.41679

nilso strong. nilso bash refugee head in with rock.


 No.41680


 No.41681

>>41678

How's your day been, Neo?


 No.41682

nilso think poor should die.


 No.41683

>>41679

Tell me more about how Nilso forms his opinions.

>>41680

Oh Loz…

>>41681

Productive way, hacking away at 2.5 stuff. Timey to the wimey. Very excited for when it'll all be out. Want to do a Spragg pitch after all this drops, then clear my head a while. Ah fuck those are due by the end of the month. You can do more than one though, which is neat. Back to work tomorrow. Well, today. Not that many hours away really. Sigh.


 No.41684

nilso read daily star. nilso old enough to vote. nilso decide to watch anime instead.


 No.41685

>>41684

Do one about the Zygon eps


 No.41686

Nilso prays to Jesus instead


 No.41687

>>41663

if its any consolation I think everyone should die so don't count it as a personal thing


 No.41688

>>41683

Good to hear. By the way, a note: I want my fic "Supernova" to be placed somewhere after the fic "Perfect Authentic Cadence".

I'm sure you'll do a good Spragg Pitch. Hope your work-week goes well.


 No.41689

nilso think refugee monster. nilso think refugee taking jobs. nilso unemployed.


 No.41690

>>41687

Not sure if you replied to the right comment? I agree ultimately though.


 No.41691

>>41357

A sort of Kylo Ren figure to Omega/Rassilon perhaps


 No.41692

>>41688

Noted.

Have you done your pitch yet?

>>41689

I know for a fact Nilso has some kind of employment desu.


 No.41693

>>41692

I haven't done a pitch at all. Maybe I should?


 No.41694

File: 7c710723830f45b⋯.png (247.09 KB, 489x847, 489:847, 776kfrukzttx.png)

>>41693

fic truk just arive


 No.41695

>>41402

Because the actors who portray Amy and Rory were leaving the series


 No.41696

nilso not pro life. nilso not pro choice. nilso support mandatory abortion.


 No.41698

Nilsopolis is the story in which Nilso goes blonde


 No.41699

>>41694

Also, have you gotten any submissions from the email?




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