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First for Zombo


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Legendary /who/ moments




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>twitch chat culture


The only thing sadder than Ian and Barbara leaving would be if one of them had left before the other.


I can’t wait to see my favourite companion Polly in the stream



>Barbara dies

>Ian just stays in bed

Then about 300 years later Leela would find a single skeleton in a bed because 1 had Alzheimer's and forgot about Chunderfeld completely.



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so what's the status of cats' little bet?



looks like cats is going afk for a month lmfao



Hi honey!


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wait hol up there's an official version of the new logo stacked?


Working on the wedding invitations as we speak! ;)


The people who are opposed to Twitch chat seem to fundamentally misunderstand its purpose. If you view the chat as a method of communication between viewers, you're obviously going to be disappointed/overwhelmed.

Chat is a form of expressing the general emotion of a large group of people, it serves the same function as applause. You don't sit in a theatre and complain about how you can't keep up with the thoughts of every individual member of the audience, you just accept basic facts such as "applause = good" and "booing = bad" and enjoy what you're watching and the energetic atmosphere you're watching it in.


looks like kinda is going afk for half an hour or so kek






What do you mean by "opposed"? Are you referring to people like me who've said they're not a personal fan of chats like that?



Ever considered that people dislike the Twitch chat because Twitch culture is toxic, frequently racist, misogynistic, and transphobic - moreso than /who/ at it's worst - and the people using the chat tend to have awful opinions on Doctor Who?



25/23 year old boomer



the issue isn't that it isn't an effective means of having a discussion

the issue is that the meme culture is low brow and mind numbing


my spine just made the most gross cracking sound I've heard in years and I really wish everyone had heard it, it was almost comical



Imagine if you'd managed to record it and it could've been a sound effect in the Foreman audio!



Mostly I mean the people who are a bit more negative about their opinion of chat than you, but yeah I think you could be expecting the wrong thing from chat too.

"Chat" is a misnomer, really it's a crowd.


>Ever considered that people dislike the Twitch chat because Twitch culture is toxic, frequently racist, misogynistic, and transphobic

Yeah, the person who keeps spamming "Twitchfag" whenever people talk about enjoying the stream does it because they're just so Woke lmao


Are you talking about chat or /who/?



I can repeatedly click/crack bones in both my hands and toes.



>Yeah, the person who keeps spamming "Twitchfag" whenever people talk about enjoying the stream does it because they're just so Woke lmao

You assume that only one person dislikes the Twitch stream. How naive.


When I stand up my legs sometimes crack


twitch chat culture feels like a bunch of 20 year olds with their in jokes and I'm just a few years too old to be interested in it



>the issue is that the meme culture is low brow and mind numbing

Where do you think you are?



>Yeah, the person who keeps spamming "Twitchfag" whenever people talk about enjoying the stream does it because they're just so Woke lmao

What if they're gay? Not that Nilso appears to be opposed to the Twitch but you never know…



But all I've done is express my personal distaste for it. I think it's more than slightly condescending to imply that these opinions are born out of misunderstanding rather than a personal viewpoint just as valid as yours. I understand the structure of a Twitch chat perfectly well - and I don't particularly like it. That doesn't make me misinformed or clueless, it simply makes me someone with a different opinion than you.



I feel like I know her, but sometimes by arms bend back


The problem with the Twitch stream is the crowd, if I wanted to watch a movie at the cinema it would be better with less people same for Doctor Who episodes on the stream. I'm not going to join the Twitch chat when I can just watch the episodes alone.


>Neo doing the double age thing in an attempt to appear quirky and interesting because he probably has very little else going on in his life



>You assume that only one person dislikes the Twitch stream

Obviously I don't, since I plural in my first post.


>twitch chat culture feels like a bunch of 20 year olds with their in jokes

Are you intentionally saying things that could apply to /who/ just as well as twitch chat, to make a point?


Yeah like I said, I wasn't really addressing you specifically, bud. Your mild post just reminded me of all the anons who are extremely against chat.



the average age of a /who/re is older than the average age of a twitch user



You can turn the chat off and just talk here if you want. I wouldn't recommend using the stream as your first viewing of a particular episode, to be honest, but this is a new, fresh and exciting way to re-experience episodes you are already familiar with by proxy of the twitch chat. There's something powerful about experiencing the reactions of thousands of other people, especially when they are typically so uniform, and when they seem to get excited by the littlest things.

It's the closest we'll ever get to seeing Star Wars in the theater in 1977 and feeling the waves of applause and jubilation as Han Solo returns to help Luke with the Death Star run.


Nilso caping for the Twitch in the thread.



I understand why people like the stream it's just not for me, I much prefer choosing the episodes I watch



The man lives abroad teaching English. He certainly has more going on in his life than you do.


nilsos jubilant


The stream is 6k Doctor Who fans LARPing as if it’s their first time watching the episode



>The man lives abroad

Everyone lives abroad from somebody's perspective



>thinking 8ch culture is any better



Abroad from where he was born you fucking pedant.




That's valid. Some people don't like audiences clapping at the cinema either. People who just personally don't get anything out of Twitch's crowd element, like our good friend Neo, are understandable. It's the anons who seem furious that twitch isn't what they want it to be that are a bit silly imo.



What's so interesting about that? After a couple of months you just live there and it's no longer "abroad"



Nilso, I'm appalled by this divisive rhetoric you're splitting the thread with, and am going to unleash all the hostility I can muster at you. Buckle up.


>I wouldn't recommend using the stream as your first viewing of a particular episode, to be honest

To be fair these are the proper, most recent scans found on the DVDs, which means they are certainly much better to watch than the links on the google drive / the most common torrents / some other streaming services / other common ways to watch Classic Who. Whether people have the chat on or off, in terms of the actual video, these are a great way to watch the episodes.


The real question is, do you clap for the stream?






t. someone who has never lived abroad


This is a pretty rad design, I have to say. It doesn't look like it's from Doctor Who to normie eyes, it just looks like a pretty cool logo.




it looks like some smug leftist anti-GOP shirt


Requesting some Jodie as 13 gifs (like from set, not trailers, cheers.


Neo doesn't care about the "crowd element" of Twitch because he's a social butterfly and watching things with other people isn't some alien, interesting experience for him.



I've never seen The Sensorites, Planet of Giants, The Web Planet or the Space Museum until this week.



it takes years to stop feeling like you're not abroad



What did you think of The Web Planet? Had you heard much about it beforehand?


>Clayton sells SPLINK shirts



I guess the Elephant might give you that impression (that's the symbol of the American Republic Party, right? t. Brit), to me it looks like that OBEY shit that was popular a couple of years ago



I knew it was silly, but I didn't know it was THAT silly. Even though I rated it a 3/10 I enjoyed myself immensely. It was like being in a 6,000 person strong hallucination. Check Claudia's twitter for some golden opinions.

Everyone was completely zonked because the bloody stream was something like 4 hours late.



*golden reactions



How did they fuck up so badly on the day everyone’s been looking forward to? Surely they know London 1965 is popular in the chat




? The star from Channel 5? She's watching the DW stream??




she got to the end of The Web Planet and almost offed herself


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>The real question is, do you clap for the stream?

You just made me realise that the example I was using was clapping in the cinema, which is something I have never, and will never, do. I guess I swallowed the americlap meme.

I should've said laughing or something.


Requesting Jodie pics in general, my 13 folder is quite small.


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nilso i really love you but it's time for us to stop. we can't go on in secret like this



I imagine Domain of the Voord would be a few steps too far even for the Twitchstream.


Some of the yanks I saw TLJ with here clapped at the end. It was like seeing a giraffe in its natural habitat; I always knew they were real, but to actually see them giraffing around, in the flesh…extraordinary.


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if god had wanted us to fly, he would have given us wings, Mr Nilso



Clapping at the cinema is one thing, but clapping at The Last Jedi?! Jesus Christ, Americans really are brainless





did you ask them who they were clapping for?






Meanwhile, Koreans don't clap but they do get animated now and again, there was great amusement at the very-much-not-Korean-lady mangling Korean in Black Panther. I had a coworker get super crestfallen after being informed there were no Korean aspects to Infinity War either, like there were for Age of Ultron or Black Panther - that stuff really does have an impact on turnout.


We all had a good chat about the movie afterwards. I had to watch the movie twice to really wrap my head around what I thought about it honestly.



I went to a midnight screening of TLJ and the guy next to me kept slapping his own legs in excitement, it drove me crazy.



The projectionist



Ever been to a showing completely alone, like there's literally nobody else in the cinema? Peak comfy.



my TLJ screening had around 5 other people


At my screening of TLJ nobody clapped, very few people even laughed at any of the shit jokes and nobody gasped at the "shocking" moments. There was some audible "???" at the Holdo sacrifice scene (followed by Rose's "we shouldn't sacrifice ourselves" speech, which is immediately followed by Luke sacrificing himself).

The only other sounds I remember was me turning to my friend after Space Leia and saying "fuck off", and my friend asking why the fuck Yoda was there



Should be noted I'm from Scotland where we have a very low tolerance for bullshit



I saw the Force Awakens in a small local cinema that had 3 other groups that were all elderly. They were really loud during the bits Leia and Han were onscreen



The Force Awakens screening I was in was much louder in general, more laughs. The Rogue One screening featured a dad behind me saying to his son "look! it's Darth Vader!" and the son going "wow!!" which was pretty cute



I didn't mind the clapping at the end of my showing, I was glad to see it actually happen once in my life, but one of the girls I saw it with apparently really hated Kylo Ren because she'd literally mutter how much she hated him most times he came on screen. That was irritating. She made to leave her seat at one point even.

There were some "ohs" at the silence in the Holdo sacrifice scene at my viewing come to think of it.



>there was great amusement at the very-much-not-Korean-lady mangling Korean in Black Panther

That's great. Theatres experiences that wouldn't happen in any other country are special. Reminds me of watching Django, where the biggest laughs were at the terrible Australian accents.


The only time I've been the cinema alone is for TUAT, and that was uncomfortably packed.


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what was your reaction to pic related /who/?




She sounds like the people who hate Clara



Oh jeez Quentin's accent in Django, kek.


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The silence during the Holdo sacrifice was really uncomfortable for me because it's a totally undeserved silence, we've known this character for all of ten minutes, most of us don't like her and then she kills herself. Big woop. It's trying to apply gravitas to a death with no gravity.



>It's not destroying what we hate, it's saving what we love!

>It's not a pyramid scheme, it's multi-level marketing!



it should have been ackbar



Can somebody PLEASE explain what the fuck Rian was thinking with this, and with Luke sacrificing himself RIGHT after Rose's speech, and with her sister sacrificing herself at the beginning of the film? What the fuck is going on? I'd really like to hear a rabid TLJ drone's pseudointellectual defense of this, or something from Rian himself


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I know how much of a stereotypical Star Warsy opinion this is but imagine if it was Ackbar.

Fun fact: most of Holdo's character was reshoots, she was initially something of a hippie and very flighty, but Rian decided to reconfigure that in the end. I think her and Leia' conversation was from principal photography though since she's kind of ditzy there.



I think the silence is meant to be for "woah look at this cool effect that happened because she just light speed rammed the ship", not "this is silent because you should be sad that she died"



Ackbar was too respected for the mutiny plot to work, people would just accept that he knew what the fuck he was doing. It should have been Leia, if it had to be anybody.



for the inevitable "allahu ackbar" jokes?




It's good because it wasn't what you expected. Like, if you asked for a steak and I gave you some mouldy bread, that would actually be a really brilliant meal. If you didn't like the taste, that would just mean you didn't get it.


In terms of modern-day Star Wars, the obvious acid test is "The Last Jedi". We could have predicted that geek-bores of all descriptions would hate it, partly because of its complete lack of po-faced angst and partly because it's actually a competent piece of cinema. No, "competent" does it a disservice: "The Last Jedi" is driven by such a well-timed, well-executed dynamic that you can see the structure of the story even if you turn the sound off [here we pause, briefly, to allow any nerd-scum reading this article to say "well, that would certainly improve the movie, hahahahahahahah… oh, God, I'm so lonely"], and the editing alone should be enough to win awards in a sane world. But even though it's clearly not going to be a hit with sci-fi fans, what I find most striking is the fact that the division is so binary. As far as I'm aware, every single sci-fi fan in the world hates it. And, connected with this but just as odd, everyone I'd consider "interesting" seems to like it. This puzzled me, at first, simply because nothing else I know of has ever caused such a clean division. I've even met interesting Tories in my time, but "The Last Jedi"? Nope, it's straight down the middle. Bores hate it, non-bores don't.



this same argument can be used to complain about AD4



<This is what Rian Johnsons actually believe



Well, anon. Those are two different characters with different personalities. I'm sorry that you believed they would preach the exact same thing.



Is there a trip with more stupid opinions than kinda? I think not



oh NO neo said it too wtf



Rose's speech was clearly supposed to be a message; a message which is directly contradicted elsewhere in the movie



Yeah, wild isnt it. It breaks the through line though


You need to let go of the past… until there’s more nostalgia bait



But it's not a message. Luke sacrifices himself. Holdo sacrifices herself. It clearly wasn't the message.



It could be made for any media that subverts expectations.



Neo. What did you think of Memepool 2 did you stay for the mid credits scenes



yes anon, what i said would be so much worse than what we actually got.


Doctor Who episodes that subvert your expectations? I’ll start with Colony in Space



You need to let go of the past…by championing this movie coasting of the same iconography of decades-old films, that ends with the exact same binary opposition plot dynamic that drove those films.



Like Interference? Because that EDA subverted so many expectations.


Is it bad that Solo underperforming at the box office kind of makes me a little hard? Are normalissimos finally waking up to the mistake that is Disney Wars?

I feel bad for Ron Howard being fucked over by Rian Johnson's failure, but I honestly hope they won't continue to sweep everything under the rug, blaming the white-male/alt-right boogeyman for their movie getting a negative reaction, and they'll actually stand back and think about what the fuck they're doing for a moment.

This is only a pipe dream, though



And Loz subverted the expectation that Daleks would arrive in Alien Bodies



Planet of the Daleks actually DOES subvert your expectations, except probably not deliberately and it's shit either way.

You're expecting this big, epic showdown between The Doctor/Jo and The Master/The Daleks.

Instead, you get… Planet of the Daleks


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s11 clues



Loz also subverted the expectation that The Town Will Never Let Us Go would be primarily be about Faction Paradox instead of people trying to get into the Faction.


Chibnall subverted my expectations that Doctor Who would be fun again


"subverted my expectations" is a shitty meme desu.



>is that bigger on the inside too?

oh no is jenna okay?



Doctor Who hasnt been fun since the Chase part 1


>Is that bigger on the inside too?




1) No

2) Self-destruct

3) Empty Child 2

4) Daleks

5) The Slyther

6) Written by 90 writers

7) The Doctor's Vagina

8) Regeneration

9) Jingle my balls, the Doctor is male again

10) Is when Series 12 will air



Did you skip episode 3?



t. Rian Johnson



it would. TLJ was a mess and Hondo's subplot was dumb, but how can your little brain even possibly believe that Admiral Memebar could deliver any of her lines and not look like a fucking joke?



It is though. It's such a forced meme that people only say because RLM did it. And for people who complain that Star Wars recycles the same things over and over, they do that with RLM references.



i was talking about the sacrifice scene specifically. it would have had more weight if it was a character we already knew sacrificing themselves so everyone could escape


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What did he mean by this?


Rank the episodes of the Chase




The mutiny subplot should either be removed or massively re-written, and if anybody's going to go out in a blaze of glory and the director expects us to react in any way to it emotionally, it should be an established character who has more than 10 minutes of screentime


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and thats a good thing!



>It is though. It's such a forced meme that people only say because RLM did it

Really? I don't watch RLM, but I like the subverted meme



Who cares about Admiral Ackbar tho?



wait what happens in episode 3? Its been ages since Ive seen it.



You'd be surprised, the fact that he is a meme would actually bring some weight to his death, he's a lovable character and recognizable, that's more than enough (especially by nuwars disney standars) to bring out an emotional response in people, it's like a part of your childhood being killed


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I know I asked you last thread about who you thought was your favorite/the best, but would you give me your opinion as to who the worst one is?



American Not-Steven



>it's like a part of your childhood being killed

Yeah, TLJ really is



Got second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth-hand embarrassment from this tweet. Last few days have sort of blurred together so I don't really remember tweeting that.



New York and the Mary Celeste



Tonnes of Moffat's. Basically every second-part of a Moffat two-parter for the first ten minutes.


I liked it more than the first one overall. The action was splendid, very kinetic, dynamic…the whole movie was just executed so much better than most capeshit at a formalist level at least. It amuses me how, even all the humour aside, the film is effortlessly such a higher achievement than most capeshit. Notice they beat the MCU and DCEU and whatever else to the punch of having openly gay characters.

That said, it was shaggier than the first, the plot and characters weren't as propulsive, some of the attempts to go sincere were embarrassing, and I remain utterly bewildered that the film didn't do any meta stuff on how it fridged the wife character so much.

I liked a lot of what the film was trying to say, and loved most of how it said it (the X-Force sequence, lots of the Cable stuff, Deadpool's self-destructive setpieces). Loved the midcredits sequences. Wish the Hitler scene had been left in.


Anything where people make any sort of stand, intentional or otherwise, implied or otherwise, against such a fucking malignant festering tumour of a company like Disney makes me plenty hard. Disney's SW division deserve every bit of this, and worse. Ron will be fine, he's basically untouchable (reminder his last five films have been flops now but he still gets work juts fine) and everyone knows he was just a director-for-hire to clean up the mess and get the film out on its (misjudged) time.

Don't discount the possibility of the narrative that the film failed BECAUSE of the lack of diversity of the leads, which plays perfectly into their current TLJ narrative.


It happened with the prequels and now it happens with TLJ, but nothing will ever validate this idea that RLM did anything but articulate sentiments and viewpoints already widespread across audiences. Fans don't spout RLM memes because RLM said them, they spout them because they already thought them. RLM just articulates.


When you characterised Hinds as lawful good that interested me a little less since he's so good at playing characters less lawful and less good than that, but overall I'm the least interested in Cleese just because I feel like I can anticipate the character/performance too much already.



t. Nilso



Interference is subverted expectations galore?

>2-book arc about the Doctor… that doesn't feature much of the Doctor and he in fact takes about 400 pages to get involved in the plot

>battle between the Faction and the Time Lords… that gets resolved rather easily

>Third Doctor regenerates in a completely different way than in Planet of the Spiders… but we don't get to see who it is

>Sarah Jane shows up… to bitch about illegal arms dealing

In fact, it got a similar reaction to TLJ. DWM fucking hated it and preferred Last of the Gaderene, something Miles heavily disagreed with to the point that this was the breaking point that caused Loz to sever ties with many DW writers.



Get some sleep nilspal



the x-force sequence was actually a delight and unironically subverted my expectations. what did you think of domino? i thought she was one of the strongest parts of the movie honestly



oh that is fun actually


Did you know the captain of the Mary Celeste was credited as Captain Briggs?



>such a fucking malignant festering tumour of a company like Disney makes me plenty hard

I used to agree with that, but having to deal with so many anti-Disney folk irl was a bust. They were all pretentious hipsters who read Adbusters and thought Banksy was a genius, who all acted like they were acclaimed scholars when they didn't even graduate high school. The most insufferable snobbery imaginable.



>Are normalissimos finally waking up to the mistake that is Disney Wars?

This is a stupid reading of the situation. I don't think Solo flopping has anything significant to do with the previous films, I think it's more about it being a really bad idea.

Ever since it was announced I didn't hear anybody that was excited for it, even amongst star wars fans the best you could expect was cautious curiosity. It's always been a baffling "who asked for this?" sort of reaction, so it's no surprise that nobody really watched/enjoyed it.



7 is about my ass






>think you'll get something as good as Alien Bodies

>SURPRISE! Expectations have been subverted!


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>Don't discount the possibility of the narrative that the film failed BECAUSE of the lack of diversity of the leads

I've only seen that one article suggesting Solo flopped because it had a white male lead, and I hope to FUCK it's the last one. Especially since it's so easily disproven that that would be the case, and it plays right into their grimy little hands to try and pull a stunt like that.

Why the fuck didn't they just delay the release of Solo until summer? Surely, SURELY it would make more money then, when both Star Wars Fatigue and the foul taste left by The Last Jedi in so many people's mouths had somewhat subsided?

I know nothing about Ron Howard honestly, but he was a friend (student?) of Lucas, and I hear he was originally mooted to follow George's original outline for VII? I want to live in that universe desu

>they spout them because they already thought them. RLM just articulates.

I wouldn't say this applies to everybody or every view. The memeification of such opinions I think directly leads to some people believing them, if ironically at first. And some opinions, when stated so outright by so many people for so long, can become "fact" to people not particularly well-versed in a topic - everybody "knows" Empire is the best Star Wars, Lars Ulrich was a bad drummer and that The Simpsons died after Season 1X, but significantly fewer people have reached that conclusion honestly by themselves



>The mutiny subplot should either be removed or massively re-written

The whole movie should've been massively re-written.

>it should be an established character who has more than 10 minutes of screentime

Surely Hondo had more screentime than Ackbar has ever had.




>it's like a part of your childhood being killed

you had a really sad childhood, if that's how you think of Le 'IT'S A TRAP' Fishman lmao


Unnatural History, better or worse than Alien Bodies and Interference?



Worse than Alien better than Interference.


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>video essay



not an argument



>The whole movie should've been massively re-written.

I mean yeah


I should point out that I am not the anon saying it should be Ackbar, I am this anon (>>41037)


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I think Hinds being classed as lawful good benefits him and his intended style (physical, not dress sense) perfectly. Look at pic related - if you saw him strutting through a market bazaar on a seedy little asteroid or a less-than-reputable intergalactic brothel you'd expect him to be either a hard case or a nutcase. If you like your teeth arranged in the fashion they find themselves in you'd rather stay away from him, surely?

Then when you approach him you find that he's more scared of you than you are of him. He's just a 6ft ripped Troughton. Does that subvert your expectations enough for you?

I completely see what you're saying about Cleese though. Still my 3rd favorite pick behind Pearce and Winstone.



>22 minutes

I've already decided for myself that The Last Jedi is irredeemable trash from two viewings and from lengthy conversations with people irl who both liked and disliked the movie, but thanks



>attention span too low for 22 minutes

Sounds like a TLJ hater.



I liked her, she was funny and had that really cool luck sequence on the road, but was a lot more interested in Cable desu. Laughed a lot at the actor for the Vanisher.

The "I'm Batman" moment got plenty of laughs.


Doesn't change what's wrong with Disney, and those people are a fraction of the millions that have issues with the company. What they've done to copyright law is obscene.


It's hardly a stupid reading. Several trades have posited the exact same opinion. Solo and Justice League both flopped partially for their own flaws, but the idea that the though TLJ and BvS didn't have any impact of their underperformance is ludicrous is…ludicrous.


I'm fascinated by why they stuck to the release date, ultimately I think they probably were treating it as a bit of a sacrificial lamb and would rather keep Mary Poppins freer of competition around Christmas rather than give Solo more of a chance (especially when it blew up so overbudget after the reshoots that they couldn't even afford their initial marketing scheme), or continue securing that "Christmas=Star Wars" audience positioning.

Ron Howard is a very skilled and/but very workmanlike director. He shoots what's on the page. Give him a writer like Peter Morgan, he'll make gold. Give him a writer like Dan Brown, and he won't. Frost/Nixon is my favourite of his films. And yeah he's close with Lucas (as is Spielberg and many others of that New Hollywood generation) and has floated around Star Wars a fair while.

I agree with you insofar as some films with RLM ("It took twelve years to make" I do think was born more of pure memetics than articulating any long-gestating thoughts among viewers), but when it comes to Star Wars I really do think it's the case. I agree with your broad point for sure though. And Lars isn't that bad…………..as a drummer.


HindsDoc makes more sense now you've expanded on him a bit. Sounds good.


>It's longer so it's good!

What's true for Ingiga isn't true for a movie, let alone a defence of one.


I'd like to remind people that it's not because they're making too many Star Wars movies now, or because what they come up with doesn't fit my expectations/wants for the series. It's because I think the movies are genuinely unenjoyable and poorly made/thought out, that I dislike them. If they were GOOD - hell, if they were OKAY - and they completely raped the character of Luke and told me right to my face that women were superior, I'd be fine with it as long as the movie was enjoyable in general. But they aren't.



What the fuck can he possibly have to say that takes 22 minutes?



Adding onto this, I think describing him as the 2nd Doctor trapped inside a super heavyweight wrestler's body sums him up more than satisfactorily.


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>wasting a hartnell get



Have you seen Rome? Hinds is superb in it.


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Now that the dust has settled……………was it kino?




I've not seen that, I'll have a watch at some point.


Got it on the shelf near me, not read it yet.


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Subverted my expectations



>Mary Poppins freer of competition around Christmas rather than give Solo more of a chance

You know, sometimes I forget other movies exist. That's a point, lol.

Calling Lucas "New Hollywood" makes me raise my eyebrows, although I know that's not what you're doing. Just associating him with Hollywood when he is the antithesis of it.

I think Plinkett's impact on fan consensus/audience reaction to the prequels is overblown. The Plinkett review on The Phantom Menace has 9 million views. There are 8 billion people on the planet. You do the math. But I think specifically on 4chan a lot of the discourse around the prequels is lifted directly from Plinkett, and a lot of people really haven't put much thought into the merits of the prequels, and many probably haven't even seen them in a decade.



It subverted my expectations by being a John Peel Dalek book that was kino.


It's more interesting if you've heard the 8/Susan audios so you can compare/contrast Peel and Briggs' takes imo.


American New Wave then. I mean the movement, not just the place. I know the prequels are in essence the most expensive independent films ever made, but the man's definitely from that generation.

Yup, millions of people thought the same way RLM did, but when people make engaging videos articulating what you feel and how you think, it's easy to just refer to those instead of muster up the energy and effort to use your own words.

I think there's actually been a meaningful critical engagement with, and reappraisal of, the prequels on /tv/ since TFA came out. The Disney films are like the film negative people had to see to for the gap to see the positive. Sure you can be cynical and handwave it as just further contarianism but I think there's plenty to it.



hate this, thanks


what is the doctor who equivalent of putting pineapple on pizza?



Putting Rose in an episode.



having an Iris and the Doctor in the same story



Yeah, but you like Snyder movies, so your opinion is irrelevant.



I'd advocate against just referring to other things rather than directly engaging. Even if you just PRETEND what you're saying is an original thought, people will be less likely to tune out of what you are saying, and more likely to address you directly. Like when you just kept linking to that Gareth tweet instead of just relaying the sentiment in it, to that anon you really were just linking to some random tweet from some random bloke, seemingly because you were unable to come up with your own sentiment. I'm not saying that's what you were doing, but that is how somebody else will perceive such an action.

I like the idea of the prequels as "the most expensive independent films ever made". I don't think AotC is good at all but I still respect Lucas. And I agree that the Disney films seem to have made people appreciate the prequels slightly more - it's a sort of "you don't know what you've got until it's gone" type of situation. We didn't know what we had in George until he was gone from the writer's room.

Somebody on 4chan called the prequels; "A bad remake of a long forgotten masterpiece", which I think is pretty beautiful. It speaks to how there is so much in the prequels, such a rich world and potentially intriguing plots, but a lot of it was executed rather poorly.



If Chibnall asked Matt Fitton to write an episode.



(as opposed to the sequels which is a bunch of horrible ideas executed competently, for the most part)


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Still can't believe Chibnall asked Gatiss back. It's so bizarre how, excluding showrunners, he will be the writer that has had the longest and most regular work on the new series, and yet has left essentially zero impact on it.


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I think it's because Gatiss seems like a relatively interesting person to hang out with. His writing sucks, but he's got such a hammy personality in his documentaries or in interviews.



>Still can't believe Chibnall asked Gatiss back.

Gattiss isnt coming back, but I kinda wish he wasnt even asked. Is that what Chibnall wants in his Doctor Who?

>has left essentially zero impact on it.

He's like the opposite of Moffat



>Now, I love the prequels.

This was unironically the moment I stopped valuing Larry's opinion so much. I've read his blog multiple times, used to read interviews with him, etc. and there was a time that I valued his Doctor Who opinions above everybody else. But this made me realise how fallible he really is.


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There's one tweet missing from these that the source I pulled them from didn't save for some reason. As I recall, it said that despite all of the above, he still actually enjoyed the experience overall, and loved the porgs (pogs), and other little star-warsy details.



Of course engaging is more meaningful than referring, that's what I'm saying. It's why I have such an internal eyeroll reaction whenever someone posts a link to a video essay as if it forms any kind of contribution to the discussion at all - it's not just lazy and a poor reflection on whatever valid opinions that person holds and whatever video essay in question articulates, it's utterly thought-terminating, a signifier of having no real investment in a dialogue beyond just pointing to whatever position one has entrenched themselves in.

I asked that user straight out if they'd read that tweet and made it clear that it was from Gareth from the get-go from the first time I brought it up. I think that if someone can't do the bare minimum in investing in listening to what another person is saying, that's on them, especially in that conversation which kept spinning back to the willingness (or lack thereof) to engage. I understand if you mean it would've come across better if I'd just quoted the tweet from the get-go, but I was concerned that would come across as condescending since it's so widespread here.

The prequels are utterly George, for better or worse. They're his vision. The new films are products of Disney; it's not that they can't achieve singular vision as well (I think Rogue One more or less did), but it's certainly an uphill battle, and not really part of the corporate strategy for them.


Yeah I'm confused when people strike TLJ as some sort of anti-prequel thing when the entire Luke arc hinges on the prequel's conception of Jedi and the Force. Keen take of Loz's.



>Now, I love the prequels.

This is unironically the moment I start valuing Larry's opinion. I've read his blog multiple times, used to read interviews with him, etc. and there was a time that I valued his Doctor Who opinions below everybody else. But this made me realise how patrician he really is.



Yeah, I've always suspected it was a friend-based thing. But, still, you'd think in this industry people would be accustomed to not inviting their friends for the good of the show.


>Gattiss isnt coming back

Really? He turned Chibnall down? That's surprising.

Now that he's had the offer though, it sort of leaves the door open. If Gatiss wanted to write for S12 or S13, he could probably just shoot Chibnall an email.



Holy shit this is exactly how I felt about TLJ. It was just far too long and far too boring, none of that SJW/Anti-SJW shite. Just what is written here.


Hot take: All Star Wars movies are bad.


what does loz look like anymore



I think Star Wars, TESB, and R1 are good.




help me I can't coherent


Star Wars is 100% tradgun



I thought the mysterious figure was too obvious as the Master and that Peel was going to subvert my expectations but I still liked it once he revealed himself



They see no reason to engage, because to them you are doing what you believe others are doing when they post video essays. Can't you see?

And yes, pointing to a video essay or saying "this person I clearly admire thinks…" is tedious. At least pretend to have your own opinions, people, please.

Moreover, as you see a non-willingness to engage when people don't read tweets, I gather the essayposters see a non-willingness to engage, as evidenced by the "not an argument" response to >video essay

I think Phantom Menace is as close to George's true vision as we ever got, since he had so long to make it and didn't have the negative reaction to his other prequels on his mind as he wrote it. Attack of the Clones, the worst prequel, is the only one with a co-writing credit, which is interesting. And George did ask Howard, Zemeckis and Spielberg to direct TPM, but it was -them- who told him only he should/could do it.

I also agree that not having a clear vision for the sequels/franchise as a whole is not only (a) reason it's so bad, but also totally fucking barmy. It's as if they think they're unstoppable, and can release utter dross but still have people lap it up. I hope they get proven wrong.

Additionally, Luke's disillusionment with the Jedi is very Revenge of the Sith and was actually one of the few things I liked in the film, when he name-dropped Sidious… it's a pity it was hollow and they didn't take it anywhere interesting.



(cont.) Somewhere interesting they could take it is if Luke had much of the same misgivings with the Jedi that Anakin had, but rather than completely denouncing the Jedi way, actively looked for ways to improve it, and stayed good instead of turning to evil. Improving on Anakin, essentially.


Have any pdfs of the Day of the Doctor novelisation shown up ?



>The prequels are utterly George, for better or worse.

I recently acquired the prequel blu-rays in remarkable circumstances so I was thinking about this the other day: are there any other multi-million dollar blockbusters more idiosyncratic than the prequel trilogy? The obvious response would be the Snyder DC movies, but I think the prequels outrank them in terms of idiosyncrasy.



Moffags are also Lawfags who don’t want people pirating his work


Rogue One is a very very well-directed and artfully movie but I don't like the Star Wars franchise or action sequences in general nearly enough to enjoy it



soft disagree. There are rad Star Wars movies—the first one, TPM and AOTC.



I've read a couple takes saying that the Snyder DC stuff is him being held back by the studios from his full potential, for better or for worse. If the narrative we've been given on The Last Jedi is true, then Rian Johnson really was given full reign to do whatever the fuck he wanted with the franchise, a similar power to what Lucas had, but something deep within me HIGHLY doubts that he did it all himself



What does tradgun mean? If we're talking about movies we just think are good, IV, V, most of VI, bits of I, almost all of III and I guess RO are good, to me. Rogue One is alright, at least



Trad means traditional as opposed to rad or radical. Gun means the conflict is more violence focused than in frock which is character focused and usually more emotive


I don't know how you could say the prequels were utterly George when he wasn't even particularly involved in many elements like design or characters. Like this video detailing General Grievous, and it turns out a dozen or so designers took his vague concept of "droid general" and turned that into a character.





traditional (like any base under siege in dr who)


radical (something experimental like Midnight or Heaven Sent)


More serious, action focused, people getting killed, real consequences


Super fuckin cheesy and silly. Think pantomime. Think "The Husbands of River Song"



I don't see posting a tweet in the middle of a comment making other points, and prefacing it with a specific question as the same as just dropping a YouTube link apropos of nothing. I'm not making a blanket statement about tweets being posted, I'm referring specifically to my post in that thread. I understand the point you're making, I just don't think it applies very sharply to this particular instance.

TPM is the one that feels most like the original films, but I don't think it's surprising ROTS is more lauded. It is the most ambitious and the culmination of whatever the prequels were doing interesting story-wise.

My main problem with the Disney films is how painfully insular they are. They take Star Wars itself as the thing to revolve around, the inspiration to reflect, rather than doing as Star Wars actually did and drawing from an eclectic litany of influences (Kurosawa, Joseph Campbell, Flash Gordon, etc.). The casino sequence in TLJ pulled from the classic tracking shot from Wings, and a classier Bondesque genre style Star Wars hasn’t really pulled from before, that was one thing, and part of the reason I liked the casino scenes more than a lot of the rest of the movie. Pulling from new influences to create new Star Wars is what actually makes things feel like Star Wars to my mind, as that’s literally how Star Wars was made. The sequel trilogy is grotesquely internecine, a snake devouring its own tail, a series treating itself as the creator and product. It’s really not that huge of a surprise The Last Jedi became subversion for subversion’s sake when The Force Awakens positioned the series inside of itself. The prequels always had a very defined endpoint and goal they were walking towards, they were a straight line, but the sequels aren't even a cycle as much as they flirt with that idea. They're more autofellatio than ouroboros, devouring themselves and having nowhere really to go.


I have a copy of the original TPM with puppet Yoda - people make a big deal about the changes to the OT, but the PT had changes in their home releases too.

Some Michael Bay movies really hit that point of "extremely distinctively auteur-driven" that Lucas and Snyder's films hit, but I agree Lucas and Snyder are more specifically idiosyncratic.


I really admire the film's singular zeroing-in on "scale", and how that's reflected in the narrative, the cinematography, the characters, even the music now and again. But I can see how that wouldn't play as well for people with less of the context or investment.


He was held back to some extent on MOS. JL isn't his movie. BvS is nearly entirely what he envisioned.



George gets criticised for not letting anybody else chip in ideas for the prequels, and then he gets criticised for this. Which one is it?

This is how the design process works. He was much more hands on with some other things, but he was fully aware that he had a highly skilled team of professionals working for him, whom he could rely on to provide excellent artwork and designs. Not taking advantage of that would be absurd. George still chooses the final design, and comments on how to improve it, what he likes and dislikes, and is even seen on video designing one of Padme's dresses and adding the finishing touches to one of the aliens seen on Utapau. The idea that he just let his designers do whatever and ate it all up is absurd.


So anon is saying Star Wars is 100% traditional and serious? That's… wrong


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because the spaceships were ok, but what really made Star Wars so big was how Harrison Ford was, like, sort of like James Dean, and just maybe a bit like Humphrey Bogart (but only a little).

you'll have to forgive me for having difficulty believing that what made Star Wars so irressistable had anything to do with being "clever". whenever i read something like https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-growing-emptiness-of-the-star-wars-universe which tries to pass off the idea that Empire was the best because it was the most "character-based" it always seems like a load of bullshit designed to create the ridiculous "Hero's Journey" narrative that Star Wars was big because it was the same as everything else, but faster, louder, and dumber. besides, Empire isn't even as the most competently "character-based" Star Wars film (it's Revenge of the Sith) - the Darth Vader reveal was a rather cheap shock that was completely pulled out of Lucas's ass.

really, trying to deny that Star Wars wasn't big because it was a complete package, where the actors and dialouge didn't dominate the films, but existed alongside sound, music, and production design in equal proportion, always rang a bit hollow with me.

but maybe i'm completely off the mark and that's not what you meant. oh well.



>George when he wasn't even particularly involved in many elements like design or characters

>and it turns out a dozen or so designers took his vague concept of "droid general" and turned that into a character.

It's wild that you can make that sound like anything other than his fault. A director being handsoff and not taking control of his own movie is a shitty director.



What precisely do you think the job of a director is?



BvS is his vision the same way The Room was Wiseau's. Or how Manos was Hal Warren's.


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Star Wars General



Not that anon but isn't a director supposed to provide visual direction in order to properly explore their film and how they imagine it looking/sounding/feeling/resonating



>the PT had changes in their home releases too.

Are you privy to the editing changes made to AOTC? How does the decision to change something like that even get made? So bizzare.


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Why does this look like a /mu/core emo album cover



Have you ever heard of

vulgar auteurism?


They are the person that directs the making of a movie, no more and no less. They bring what people are doing together into a movie with some kind of unifying vision. Delegation is their job. Hiring the right people is their job. Guiding what needs to be guided is their job. If they're doing everything themselves uncredited, than they haven't exactly done a great job of that.


Check this out





>I don't think it's surprising ROTS is more lauded

You know how they say constraints make us more creative? How giving yourself a more narrow field to work in can help you achieve better results? I think that idea can be applied to Revenge of the Sith - it had to do particular things, so it did them, pretty well. Return of the Jedi, also, had to conclude the story and redeem Vader, and did so exceptionally well.

A bit of a rambly point but I think it's… an idea.

I think The Phantom Menace is one draft and maybe one second unit director away from being great. I think Revenge of the Sith is great.

>My main problem with the Disney films is how painfully insular they are.

Yes! The universe feels TINY! The universe in the OT doesn't feel enormous, but you got SOME sense of scale. Everything in the ST happens over the course of like a fucking week on two or three planets. The prequels were much richer, in comparison. Rogue One, even, has a broader scope than the fucking entire sequel trilogy (duology, I accept)

Also I agree on the self-referencing rather than referencing other material. Star Wars (1977) was amazing because it recontextualised the language of cinema which had been proven effective already, and mixed it all up with a new, exciting setting and a sense of adventure. The new films are just… generic action movies, for the most part.

I said this once and I'll say it again because I'm rather proud of it; Star Wars in 1977 defined the modern summer blockbuster. The modern summer blockbuster defined Star Wars in 2015.

I also agree with the prequels having a point/goal and the sequels just rambling.



Yeah I know about the changes I was just commenting on how specifically weird the re-editing on those few sequences is

>adding moss to the Kashyyyk hut




>How does the decision to change something like that even get made?

I think it's pretty clear by this point that George is a (perfectionist/extreme nitpicker)



I'd still be interested to hear his reasoning for why he thought the editing on those sequences was wrong because its a complete mystery to me



Vulgar auteurism is just an excuse for dumbasses to pretend that Resident Evil movies should be viewed as art.


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>I really admire the film's singular zeroing-in on "scale", and how that's reflected in the narrative, the cinematography, the characters, even the music now and again.

>mfw Neo and I are on the exact same wavelength



It's funny how packed full of story ROTS is, and how light on it AOTC is. There are thousand and thousands of fan reimaginings of the structure of the prequels because it's so bizarre.

Star Wars 77 is an amazing achievement for sure, and it pains me to see films trying to replicate it literally instead of doing what it did and making something new out of tonnes of things old. Not just one thing. New IPs can still be riotously successful, studios are just enormously apprehensive about investing in them since film production and budgeting is so imbalanced now.


Oh yeah, for sure. Tonnes of creative people say creative works aren't really finished so much as abandoned; trying to fight that the way George does feels unnatural to me, and not really playing into how audiences are "meant" to take in, respond to, and grow with media.



Just because something is bad art doesn’t mean it isn’t art



Adding/removing CGI elements is completely understandable, he will have just thought the shot looked wrong and needed something extra/removed

New dialogue will be to more clearly/efficiently/poetically convey what he wants the character to say

A more realistic uh-huh makes perfect sense, more sparks on the jetpack makes perfect sense, robot hand makes sense.

Different wipes is just autism, shorter nooooo is realising a mistake

Rearranging shots is unironically probably to make things faster and more intense





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I did a bit of a writeup of Rogue One to that effect on /who/ back in the day, don't know if you saw/have interest in. Here it is:

The sequels are maddening because Rogue One proved with proper developed vision that isn’t solely metatextual that you can indeed tell new stories in new ways in the Star Wars universe while still retaining all the marketable iconography and hallmarks of the series that ostensibly make Star Wars Star Wars. But as a prequel and anthology film it has the benefit of not being in the awkward situation of coming after Return of the Jedi. The easiest way to write a sequel to Return of the Jedi (or any hero’s journey), and the one Abrams and Kasdan of course took, is to invalidate Return of the Jedi. The hero failed. The setting reverted back to the status quo. A new hero and new procession of the hero’s journey is needed. A cynical mind might point out that, as Disney is determined to keep churning these films out forever, the sequel trilogy will face the same undercutting and invalidation in due time. There are other approaches, but the approach the Star Wars Legends EU largely took was to leave the conclusion of Return of the Jedi intact, leave Luke’s hero’s journey unmolested, and instead decouple Star Wars from that main cast and saga. Tell smaller stories more spread out. Use the natural next steps of Return of the Jedi’s conclusion (Luke training new Jedi, a new Republic bringing peace to the galaxy, etc.) as points to develop new stories off, instead of invalidating them to retell the same story beats with different characters.

Rogue One is metatextual in a way that generates fuel for a new story, instead of metatextual in the way that the story offers nothing more than commentary (TFA rehash, TLJ backlash). Rogue One is about scale, in settings and narrative, and conveys this cinematically, through the cinematography, music, set design, not just the writing. At the script level, the film is about scale. These characters are in the shadows of the mythical figures of the original trilogy. Instead of the chosen one, or the princess, or the dark lord, we see the grunts and saboteurs doing the dirty and menial work in the marigns of that greater heroic narrative. From this perspective, the Jedi, the Sith, it's all legendary, and reality is grim and legitimately dangerous. A main character dying in a main Star Wars movie (let alone unceremoniously) is very rare and a big deal, but here it's commonplace. When the ending subsumes the film back into the narrative folds of the grand original trilogy, it's earned its original perspective and commentary, told a new story by expanding the old instead of invalidating them. Repositioning the mad genre-mashup children's films that Star Wars was from that fatalist position of inevitable subsuming into the Campbellian narrative, that's just fantastic, inspired stuff.

In director Gareth Edward's previous film, 2014's Godzilla, his ability to frame Godzilla in interesting ways was easily the highlight of the film, as he displayed a curious fascinating with playing with scale in his visuals. In Rogue One he honed that fascination (his approximation of an auteur trademark I suppose), the Death Star being his new Godzilla to play with setting scale against, but examining other objects in such a way as well (pic related), all of which of course tied holistically into the film's narrative, again, all about scale. The characters are the tiny ships dwarfed by the Death Star. The plot is the tiny figures walking by sunken Jedi statues.

I think it could potentially be reconfigured to work as a non Star Wars film but it'd just have to lean harder on it happening around an oncoming hero's journey, and would lose a lot of its specific magic and ability to use the iconography as cinematic shorthand. The mainline sequels are the ones I think are hopelessly dependant on the original films, either repeating them or pivoting their stories on specific comments of them (where Rogue One's commentary on Star Wars is broad and narrative, like centring around the grunts getting a macguffin for a hero, Han's TFA arc revolves specifically around his characterisation in the OT, Rey and Snoke rely on more specific Star Wars tropes, etc.). Either rehashing parts of Star Wars, or straightforwardly subverting parts of Star Wars, neither is really kicking off to new stories, and I think they're inherently handicapped from locking themselves into aping those earlier movies too much. Perhaps where R1 is supplementary, the sequels are unnecessary.



There was originally to be more to the Sifo Diyas plot, but yes now you mention it it is a little odd. But think about it, what does Attack of the Clones -do-? It sets up the Clone Wars. Revenge of the Sith had a lot more to -do-. Perhaps more of Sith could be given to Clones, but then perhaps making Sith worse to make Clones better is not a trade one wants to make.

I sympathise with George's feelings on "his" movies being not-quite-right, and how much that must eat away at him, given that Star Wars is his empire, but I also agree with the idea that Star Wars and such movies are cultural, nay, historical artifacts, and should be left alone.

The only thing I think George has done -wrong- is refuse to release the unaltered OT in HD. I understand his reasons behind it, but he really -should- let us have it, in my opinion. It can exist alongside his special editions, he can market his special editions as "true star wars" and "his vision", but the OT is such an important piece of media that it should be preserved as much as any great painting or statue.


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lads I've fallen asleep 5 times in the last 10 minutes but I've got shit to do and I'm in the frame to do it but I can't if you feel my drift. I tried waking myself up by slapping myself and that kinda worked but not really.

Also, sort of linked - what does everyone listen to when writing? I've been listening to this track in a loop for about 6 hours now



Exactly. I totally get his desire to tinker, but he shouldn't erase what people have already experienced. Once you release something to the public, it belongs to them as well. I think it's perverse he goes out of his way to deny people the ability to relive cherished experiences from their childhoods. Releasing the original cuts doesn't have to be implicit endorsement of them. His pettiness with the Library of Congress was embarrassing.


star wars /who/. comfy and so, so perverse.


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Drink some caffeine and do some exercise, maybe take a shower.

I listen to twitch streams for background noise, I used to listen to the TV playing something like Two and a Half Men. I can't play music because then I end up just paying attention to that rather than my writing.


I wonder if he really -does- believe the laserdisc scans are "good enough." I haven't heard about his pettiness with the Library of Congress, though. I do sympathise with him for being possessive and protective of the thing that unexpectedly took over his entire life, but we need the unedited versions for posterity.



also I'm pretty sure I entered a trance about 10 minutes ag



the music just hitched me right out of a trance state and I felt like I'd just flown from Mars to Earth in about 1 second flat and I didn't know where I was


This article:


Seems to tell us that the Library of Congress -do- hold an unaltered, original copy of Star Wars. Which is nice.



I listen to a lot of Twin Peaks stuff too. Some Marigold stuff. Scores and instrumental stuff I like, but not like so much/scores so exciting that I get distracted by getting too into them.

If you're really sure you wanna stay awake, why not deploy some caffeine?


Yeah the Library is literally for cataloguing important artefacts, not keeping the most up to date revision he's been tinkering with lmao. Would've loved to seen their reaction when he sent them that (which they denied fwiw).

I talked with another /who/re (TOMTIT) last week about this, but there are fan scans of 'obtained' 35mm prints of the OT that are really cool to see. Much better than the laserdiscs. Yeah the picture is full of noise and grain but that's part of the fun.



depends on the situation

are you in crunch time? anything with an excessively fast tempo




if it's not crunch time then basically the polar opposite, something calm and/or atmospheric






see >>41194

Them rejecting it is a pretty big btfo moment


I wonder if Nilso is asleep now.



Brilliant, thanks.

Fascinating stuff. Solo seemed to retain the sense that it was "supplementary" and focused on everyday existence on the fringes of the Lucas saga, but there were plenty of irritating "meta" references in the script that worked against it - a cliche'd sort of "meta", but still didn't feel right compared to how it was done here. I think Rogue One benefitted from being a bit underwritten, in a sense. Of course, the biggest problem with Solo wasn't in the script or characters, but that the asethetic of the settings that they were going for seemed to be "Doctor Who quarries and industrial backlots, but more expensive". The film certainly didn't feel like $250+ million went onscreen.




I'm feeling better now, I just had a funny five minutes. I tried having a conversation with someone and realised about 20 seconds later that they weren't A) in the same room as me B)in the direction I was looking and C) on the same floor


still here daddy'o


Nilso would it help you get to sleep if Neo spooned you



got stuff to do, no time for such things at this present juncture anon


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I used to play around with sleep deprivation a bit, it ain't good for you but sure can produce some funny experiences.


I'll be keen to chew over Solo with you when I see it in the coming week. What I'd give to be able to see the original Lorde/Miller footage.

One cringe moment in R1 was the reappearance of ball face and the other dude imo. Too far.


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I answered this as "trick question".


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They phrased a question as "who was the 1st doctor's granddaughter" which weirded me out a bit - surely she's the 2nd's too.



Not far enough gone for sleep-dep just yet, if I start seeing a giant floating ziggurat passing through a needle's eye or Jason Voorhees doing the Wilbury Twist I'll find something to crawl under and die for a few hours



Technically she’s the Others granddaughter not the Doctors




dinnae start with this raucous din I'll have you flogged like a merseyside whore


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Marilyn Manson (the band, not just the guy) went overboard with sleep deprivation while recording an album and it produced kino. Cheaper than regular drugs. In some ways, would you consider yourself the Marilyn Manson of /who/?




Marilyn Manson's a few ribs short of a xylophone anyway so it wouldn't surprise me if he got inspired while trying to count pink elephants.



lym's a scruffold and not a marilyn manroe at all, he's too nice to be


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Memes aside, Marilyn Manson made two fantastic albums. I was big into him as a teenager. When he was more in the Reznor/Lynch/Bowie stylings he was much better. 14 year old me would be aghast I haven't even listened to his last three albums.



I knew this chick



But I'd actually want to have sex with Lym, while Marilyn is too alien for me.



What the fuck?



Yeah, Marilyn doesn't have a human looking body. That's weird to me, so my cock isn't hard.


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LITERALLY audience-hostile



No but Lym is not of legal age.



post of the month




what is the Doctor Who equivalent of this?


The Web Planet was a stroke of fucking madness, I can't believe it actually exists




I'm really surprised that it's not a missing serial.



in places where age of consent is 16, is a 20-16 relationship perfectly legal without the need for romeo and juliet laws?


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Post kino trailers



goddamn you kinda chuck a fuckin' brick at a house made of stacked glass thimbles why don't you



>solo boycott




Who the hell's boycotting Solo? They're just not watching it, not actively boycotting it.



anything to justify how muh star wars could be performing poorly



>It was the RUSSIANS!

>It was the ALT-RIGHT!

>It was the RACISTS!

>It was WHITE MEN!





>It was /POL/!

>It was /TV/!

>It was 4CHAN!

>It was REDDIT!


>It was DC FANS!


>It was BOOMERS!








>It was INCELS!

>"People hated Empire back then, too!"

>"Dividing the fanbase was intentional!"

>"It did something DIFFERENT!!!"

>"I love how it subverted expectations!"

>"It made me rethink my views on life!"

>"It emphasized muh diversity/inclusiveness/feminist quota!"

>"It was an 'intellectual' film!"

>"It made some people uncomfortable. GOOD!"

>"It was expected to not make much money anyway!"

>"lulz it's just a movie turn your brain off!"

>"China doesn't matter anyway!"

>"B-but muh sexist MRA cut!"



Half of those are right tho


do you think n8 gets a chuckle when he sees nilso while moderating the r*ddit?


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Robot of Sherwood was one thing, but this…okay, this is epic.


I, for one, am SHOCKED that the movie nobody was looking forward to is performing poorly at the box office.


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More people are hyped by a Ewan McGregor Kenobi movie than a Solo one.


Bluepill, redpill, and blackpill me on "TV detector vans". Do Brits really do this?



I and he have the same reaction, a blase glossing over of the face followed by a swift slap of the person nearest



no they're totally fuckin' bollocks



Another r/gallifrey mod on /who/? I remember the last time you guys made a fuss here:



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I know, but I don't think doubling down on "solo movies about characters/or events from past movies" is really going to help Disney.

Also, does anybody else remember when Disney, BEFORE The Last Jedi's released, announced a new trilogy helmed by Rian? Are they just going to quietly backtrack on that now?



you misunderstand my post, dear fellow, it is I, Wilso




nah, eternally wilso




There isn't anything left for him to subvert, is there? I'm betting it'll at least be an improvement over The Last Jedi.



if rian does a spinoff star wars trilogy with its own characters and self contained story that he writes himself from start to finish it might be interesting



>spinoff star wars trilogy with its own characters and self contained story that he writes himself from start to finish

That is what they announced. But I really really doubt they'll go through with it now.


Don't forget they announced a D&D (GOT showrunners) Star Wars trilogy as well.



that would be better than what he have now but d&d + disney might be awful



internal screaming


how many fucking decades of star wars movies have they already announced



Verity is too based, only 11 missing episodes of almost 100


>These new films will be separate from both the episodic Skywalker saga and the recently-announced trilogy being developed by Rian Johnson, writer-director of Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

>“David and Dan are some of the best storytellers working today,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm. “Their command of complex characters, depth of story and richness of mythology will break new ground and boldly push Star Wars in ways I find incredibly exciting.”

Interesting thing is this implies their next HBO series, Confederate, is quietly canned.


Don't forget the James Mangold Boba Fett film, Del Toro Jabba the Hutt film, Jon Favraeu live-action series, etc.



>James Mangold Boba Fett film, Del Toro Jabba the Hutt film, Jon Favraeu live-action series, etc.

I genuinely don't know if you're joking or not



no he's truthing the fuck out of you


D&D are more comfortable when working off some sort of material to adapt. Given that their Star Wars films are explicitly stated not to be connected with the Skywalker films, could they perhaps draw from…an EU source? You know where I'm going with this.








>You know where I'm going with this

Alien Bodies.



D&D adaptation of Alien Bodies would be kino



>gareth roberts' lover



Shatterpoint when


Bad Witch when



>shitty D&D adapting shitty EU source material

We're doomed.



Have no fears, we've got stories for years!


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Post things that remind you of Nilso



Mark Gatiss is the Doctor Who equivalent of D and D


You ever get the feeling if Chelsea Manning preached unapologetic fascism and Third Reich values, Sandifer would still kiss her ass?


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mrw ingiga enters the stream


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I might redo the covers I did for point/force/face


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you may have caught me at moments where I've been a bit tetchy and I apologise, love for everyone


What do you do when you have something you want to ask Nilso but are too starstruck?



please show me where I asked for your opinion, nilso?



What's the Doctor Who equivalent of living next to bogans who loudly laugh and speak in a very irritating way?



When you posted on a public board anyone can respond to


What's the Doctor Who equivalent of this?




Did you ever get around to sorting out that credit/title thing you wanted me to do?






eagerly anticipating MILF Karen



Amy has full legs here



Probably tomorrow.



sure thing champ


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Mfw anticipating a certain other trip's response to this



Are you still listening to the Red Room or a new track now?


i have a full nilso here



that's not something to brag about sweetie



hello sweetie


i wish amy would put her full lips to my full nilso



t. Immigrant


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still red room


this but unironically


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when is /ourgirl/ gonna upload a video ripping apart solo and BTFO neos narrative?






She's a leftie Kinda



Lefties are glad Solo is failing because it means the male lead did worse than the female ones



when you get an opinion for yourself instead of parroting talking head of the week no.5,352,240's "thoughts" she's almost certainly stolen from someone else


Holy fuck the reaction of the people watching Frankensteins Monster body slam a Dalek is hilarious






Kinda's boyfriend is a leftie too, you think he cares?



what's that got to do with it.



Didn't she already hate Rogue 1? doncha know RLM/her/other select youtubers took the deal where they're allowed to shit on the anthologies to remain credibility, as long as they remain positive about the mainline film and push toys as much as possible (her with her backgrounds there, RLM with their "ironic" nerd crew toysets)



why the full stop.


kindanon is a jenny patron


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Forgot pic


Who's a based jim dinopatron here?


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t-they wouldnt just lie on the internet would they??


you tell me.


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She already did, I think it's only on Patreon at the moment.


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>early videos for patreon cucks

alright forget what i said, jenny has been dropped



she also makes monthly ramble videos exclusively for patrons



>making money from the work you do is bad


Vicki travelling in the Dalek timeship to get to her new home with the Doctor and the TARDIS mirrors Ian and Barbara using it to get back to Earth


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nilsos a living fungoid


Is ending a question with a full stop considered a power move.



What do you think.



>david mitchell

stop appropriating british culture please, aussie swine



>Cooper tells Cole about a dream he had

>scene shift

>wierd shit happens

>scene shift

Was the whole Jeffries/Judy scene Coop telling Cole about his dream? Did the Judy scene even happen? Was Coop's dream the entire Jeffries/Judy scene? Was Coop trying to repeatedly tell Cole that what was happening was identical to his dream?

The whole BL/WL deal is about Illuminati vs Freemasons, right?


Full Lips



[spoiler]It's all a dream. I think we're meant to be as confused as Cooper. Is it future or is it past?[ The only thing I take maybe-not-so-dreamy is the 'what year is this' scene./spoiler]

BL/WL I don't take as literally as that. I bet Frost would like your take though.



Blow Ships


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doctor who equivalent?


Had River encountered the Angels before Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone? Why did Father Octavian want her for that mission specifically? What did she bring to it?



not even trying to hide it this time, kinda



That whole scene is a fucking work of art. Everything about it is perfect. Would you rather have had the scene we got from the film, or would you rather have the two scenes fully play out instead of being spliced into one scene? I can't decide at all, I can see pros and cons for both.


wepping angles


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I like having the scenes separate. More to enjoy with both versions.


Should President Trump win a nobel peace prize for memes and comment sections?



Right wing falseflagging? Flip Flop


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name my band



The Absolute States


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>I haven't even listened to his last three albums.

If you plan on listening to them I suggest skipping Born Villain and just listen to The Pale Emperor and Heaven Upside Down



I liked The High End of Low well enough fwiw, does the one after it sound anything like that?



Born Villain is the album released after High End of Low, they sound nothing alike



What are your favourite albums of MM



Top 5 Mechanical Animals, Eat Me Drink Me, Pale Emperor and Heaven Upside Down



whoops thats only 4 golden age of grotesque is 5



>EMDM fan

Nice. No love for Antichrist?



Antichrist is great, it's impossible to hate on Antichrist



Donnie and The Dumb Whore


Now that the dust has settled, what are your thoughts on Amy's crack?



What villains would you like to see a Doctor Who equivalent of?




Is this from the same anon who made the Clara and Bill webms? If so… based


nilsos full lips



Reminder that Acne Doctor is apparently still going to drop his final episode eventually


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the gods from dbz


I’m just a sweet lil Nilso


First back for Nilso



I’d like more villains in general that aren’t mindless aliens or catchphrase based monsters. The only original season villain in New Who is Kovarian and I hope Chibnall makes more like her that have more three dimensional characters than the daleks and cybermen


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Guys, let's never let that happen again.



There’s more maintenance in less than a week


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Well I guess everything's working?


>mfw i added yet another Shit Trip



>edited post

hola reddit!



New Who equivalent of the beginning of season 16?


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Oi you're boistering for a cloistering.

>watching unbreakable kimmy schmidt's latest season

>Titus says, "So Doctor Who's a woman now? More like Doctor Why?"




Forgot to delete the (You) after opening the reply box


>refreshing the page doesn't load the css and I can't post but opening in incognito mode loads the css and lets me post

what the fuck?


Doctor Who? I hardly know her



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Will the first Doctor move up in the polls after the stream? I do hope so.



Probably the beginning of Series 6 with the mysterious summons and all that jazz. But I agree that the opening of Season 16 is GOAT, and the whole season is great in general. Best Williams season.


I like the First Doctor because he's secure in his senility, unlike me.



whens the world tour?



4 years ago


The Angels Take Manhattan is better that The Time of Angels | Flesh and Stone because it actually remembers what works about the Weeping Angels.

Weeping Angel stories ranked:

The Time of the Doctor = Hell Bent > The God Complex > Blink > The End of Time > The Angels Take Manhattan > The Side of the Angels > The Time of Angels | Flesh and Stone > The Lost > Fallen Angels



I've heard good things about the NSA Touched By an Angel

haven't read it though so can't personally attest to that



rank these stories based specifically on their usage of the angels. They were essentially just used as a one line throwaway reference in time/hell/god



I can definitely see them working better in prose than audio, but the visual element really is kinda key. But what do I know, I haven't actually read the book, maybe it works.


Blink > The End of Time > The Angels Take Manhattan > The Side of the Angels > The Time of the Doctor > The God Complex > The Time of Angels | Flesh and Stone > Fallen Angels > The Lost


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How would you guys feel about the angels returning in Jodie Whittaker's era, and essentially becoming a syaple of the show like the Daleks or any other reccuring villain?






>nilso when dollard writes an episode



Not a fan, they're too one-note and any way you'd expand them dulls that note. I'd rather the drashigs returned honestly, Chibnall could make some interesting environmentalist statements with them.



>The End of Time



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Changing the future. It's called marriage.


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Do you have a headcanon surrounding that? Personally I like the idea that the angels are Gallifreyan in origin. The Doctor and Susan I think both mentioned Gallifrey having "red grass and trees with silver leaves", which is odd, because silver leaves could not photosynthesise. They would literally reflect the light they are supposed to absorb. Then I though, what if they dont soak up light, they soak up time energy? It makes sense to me that Gallifrey would be full of time energy and silver leaves would absorb time energy rather than light. The angels, which also feed on time energy, could have evolved on Gallifrey. Perhaps they were peaceful on Gallifrey, feeding off the natural time radiation… I wouldnt want them to spoil the mystery on the show, but I like having my own headcanons


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(River is flying the Tardis while the Doctor is inconsolable.)

DOCTOR: River, they were your parents. I'm sorry, I didn't think.

RIVER: It doesn't matter.

DOCTOR: Of course it matters.

RIVER: What matters is this. Doctor, don't travel alone.

DOCTOR: Travel with me, then.

RIVER: Whenever and wherever you want. But not all the time. One psychopath per Tardis, don't you think?

Eughrrrrrrrrr, an actual series, even half/split series of Doctor/River adventures - no big River arc or whatever, just a natural, relaxed duo - would have been so great, and it's such a cheap copout how the characters justify us not getting it in the dialogue.



You’re not evil, you’re smart



I love that they're Gallifreyan in origin too, I think it ties in very nicely. I like your take. I always just had a vague handwavey thought that it's some timey-wimey thing to do with Time Lords and how they feed off/need time (was it 10 or 11 who freaked out some time in a dimension without natural time or something? I know 8 did in the Divergent Universe heaps). Maybe some Time War fuckup. Time Lords reduced to such an animalistic thing pleases me.

The real blackpill is getting on board the humans-become-time-lords train.




I prefer thinking that the Angels came from the previous universe. Or even that they're just anomalies of time.



>The real blackpill is getting on board the humans-become-time-lords train

same desu. I like to think it was something simple, a spaceship crashes back in time and ends up on Gallifrey. The people evolve into what you see before you. (It kinda plays into my idea that TimeLords are just ordinary petty humans who happen to have a bit of an edge on the rest of us. And that their whole government is essentially the british parliament, if the british parliament had near infinite power over time and space. Theyre a bunch of elitist rich kids arguing about stupid shit while the fate of whole civilisations are at stake.


Also a based idea. What do you think of this quote from Series 5?

>What if we had ideas that could think for themselves? What if one day our dreams no longer needed us? When these things occur and are held to be true, the time will be upon us. The Time of Angels.

It sort of implies they are ideas made alive. And fits in with the concept that their image is their power (their image degraded when they were starved, an angel was able to climb through a tv screen)


Why didn't River just let the Doctor borrow her vortex manipulator and he could still visit 1930s Amy and Rory that way?



The Time Lords are just so pathetically human that yeah I prefer thinking it's somewhat literal instead of just lack of imagination or human politics being some deterministic reoccurring force across the universe.



the doctor being in new york whatsoever causes a paradox

I'll explain later


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meta can be good in moderation, but I think that this would be taking it a few giant leaps too far. "Humans look Timelord" and the Briggs Finish/Faction Paradox explanations for why this is handle the thematics of this well, and are probably a better avenue for exploring the relationship beteween Earth and Gallifrey in the show without resorting to cheap reveals that constrain future storytelling possibilities. Besides, it would cheapen the Doctor's attatchment to earth if he were related to us like that.


The angels being memetic and coming alive from their image is very Faction Paradox, in a good way. Not saying Moff stole them but they would fit in that universe


I think the explanation was that the Doctor read it in the book so he knew he wouldnt meet them or something. idk.

What do you think of the theory that Season 7a happened out of order for the Doctor? ie he lost them in Angels take Manhattan and then had a few more adventures with them, knowing each one could be his last chance. It came from a continuity error where Rory references an event that doesnt happen til the following episode, but I think its an interesting idea



>Rory references an event that doesnt happen til the following episode

what was that?



The dumbest part about the Angels Take Manhattan’s ending is that Moffat has previously written an Angels episode about the Doctor hiding messages for someone to read decades later so they can meet up. Moffat had to retcon the ending in an interview and say that Amy and Rory meeting the Doctor under any situation would ruin time and it didn’t have anything to do with New York


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The Doctor chastises Rory for leaving his phone charger in Henry VIII’s en-suite in ‘A Town Called Mercy’, yet they don’t meet Henry VIII until a montage in 'The Power of Three’.


If Jim Mortimore is so good then why did the BBC reject his novel?



Who here is gonna buck up and become his latest dinopatron?


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it was too good for them to comprehend



If the BBC is so good then why did they reject Doctor Who?




forgot to mention: the continuity error happened beacuse they changed their minds about the specific order of the episodes. I find it interesting that in Series 7, you can swap two episodes and the character arcs arent affected, but you couldnt swap any 2 episodes in Series 8. Pretty much every ep effects 12 and Clara's relationship in some way.


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Speaking of Jimbo, and in light of recent events…

>If The Web Planet was a four hour movie directed by Tarkovsky, with a score inspired by Holst, Ligeti, Eduard Artemyev, John Carpenter & Tangerine Dream. . .




Don't bully the Nils


When will we get Shadman art of Jodie?



Better be soon


The Doctor is not for lewding



>exploring the relationship beteween Earth and Gallifrey in the show without resorting to cheap reveals that constrain future storytelling possibilities.

I would hate it if the show actually did a "genesis of the time lords" type of story, but I like thinking about these things. A lot of my headcanons would be terrible in the show, but seem pretty cool in my head, when thinking about the Whoniverse.



t. assblasted nilsoy



This, they're often more fun as fanfiction too rather than stuff we'd actually see on the show.


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keepin' those possibilities open


Where the FUCK is nilsoy



What do you have against soy, Neo?



Nilso loves it more than Doctor Who


Tell me about Mortimore. Why should I read his novels?


Just learned that the writer of The Web Planet was from Australia.

honestly seems to make complete sense


Who'll be watching Mark and Steven's Dracula? Three 90 minute episodes based off the original novel.



Was that just confirmed or something?



Yes, Mark said it at some Q&A



not confirmed officially, but Moff and Gattiss said theyre doing it eventually they should do a modern version and call it "Vlad"



How so?



I thought they said it's the project they're currently working on?



Lots of big wide open space, less claustrophobic than most Who.

Maybe I'm being silly.


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Happy 36th Birthday to our incoming Doctor… I think?

Some sources say her birthday is the 3rd, others say it's the 17th. I don't know which to believe.



Lads, she’s not in Faction Hollywood is she?



The official DW Twitter said it's today.


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Ah. Berlin.


Rank the River episodes. Just actual episodes, no minisodes or audios. And don't be a smartarse and include Closing Time.

>The Pandorica Opens | The Big Bang

>The Impossible Astronaut | Day of the Moon

>The Husbands of River Song

>Silence in the Library | Forest of the Dead

>The Angels Take Manhattan

>The Time of Angels | Flesh and Stone

>A Good Man Goes to War

>The Name of the Doctor

>Let's Kill Hitler

>The Wedding of River Song


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kinda a little mad we just had an angry doctor, jodie would be the perfect angry doctor



every doctor gets their angry moments



>referring to yourself in third person

mongo likes candy!



10- The Wedding of River Song

9-The Name of the Doctor

8- The Angels Take Manhattan

7- Let's Kill Hitler

6- The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon

5- A Good Man Goes To War

4- The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone

3- The Wedding of River Song

2- The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang

1- Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead

Haven't seen most of these in ages.

Never actually watched The Angels Take Manhattan



and the one at number 3 shoud be Husbands









Why no TATM viewing?


When you watch Kinda do you watch with giant puppet or cgi?



it's been so long since ive seen them posted i completely forgot the fake trips actually had anime depictions of them



CGI fits the dreamier vibe of the episode and the concept of the Mara better imo. Usually I prefer original effects but I like that one.



Started watching the new series while Series 7 was airing; took a bit of a break after Series 6.

Out of Series 7, have only watched Name (on before the 50th where I was) and Journey to the Center of the Tardis, because the concept sounded great.

Hearing about how generic and naff it was from everyone else didn't make me want to bother with the rest. The two I'd seen fit with what everyone else was saying - didn't like the 50th or Time much either. It got better afterwards, of course.



The iconic giant puppet is the only way to go.



unless I go into Incognito mode the site CSS is broken. I cleared my cookies and the problem persists. help me lads


Doctor Who episodes about being cold?



The Sn


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The endpoint of entropy's as cold as it gets, yes?



>unless I go into Incognito mode the site CSS is broken

thanks for posting this hot tip. I haven't been able to post for ours because the captcha wont load



Puppet. CGI in Classic Who always breaks my immersion more than bad effects.



Amy's Choice. Comes with comfy ponchos.


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>star wars episode 9: its better than solo


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>tfw there are anons who can't post right now because 8chan is fucking up and nobody even cares



i doubt it



>arrested development returns to form



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Why's an old lady just hanging out with them?


Planet of the Zarbi

Planet of the Krynoids

Planet of the Weeping Angels

Planet of the Creature From The Pit

Planet of Salamander

Just some ideas for Briggs Finish to use in the future



that's briggs' mum, be nice



That's the Twelve.



They recast Capaldi as a woman?


if Nilso is good where is Nilso 2?


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Doctor Who and the Tupperware is available to order now



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is this some kind of Doctor How knockoff?



the fact that this turned out to be just some guy promoting his weird self-published fanfiction, rather than a conspiracy theorist, still astounds me


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More like Nilsoy.




Welp. Joke's on me for assuming they would have a reliable source as to things they post about their lead actress.



The joke's on Nilso, in fact. You see, he can't get the captchas to load here, and is wailing away in the stream, unable to join in the thread.



Tell nilso I know how to get around that problem but am not going to tell him because I don't like him as a person



??? This is Nilso we're talking about.


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What the fuck?


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suck my left one, incognito works



What the fuck?












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Hey babe, what's up? Kitty got your tongue?




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I love this shit




t. Cheetah



From nilsexual Nilsovania


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Quite timely.



I’d place Adam above Jack but below Mickey



anon he's just writing them in order



This is amazing, but what the fuck is happening?



that anon's Adam suggestion would fit that though


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Is there a Dr. Who version of the Harlem Shuffle?



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doctor who equivalent?



Isn't that what Sandy ate today




>The Second Secret of Dr. Who: The authorities of his own (or some other future) time are not concerned merely with the theft of an obsolete machine; they are seriously concerned to prevent his monkeying with time, because his secret intention, when he finds his ideal past, is to destroy or nullify the future.

>[Handwritten note from Sydney Newman: "Nuts"]


9 - 4chan

8 - reddit

10 - tumblr

11 - twitter

1 - twitch

12 - 8chan



I would argue that 11 is more Tumblr, honestly. 10 is more Facebook than anything.


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hola 4chan!



>because his secret intention, when he finds his ideal past, is to destroy or nullify the future.

what the fuck did they mean by this


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t. Ingiga



t. neo



I like you because you're secure in your anonymity, unlike me.



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Summary from someone who read it years ago and stitched that image from 3 separate pages: the first TARDIS team is experiencing a total breakdown of time as the TARDIS goes haywire, resulting in multiple versions of them from alternate timelines (and pre-final character outlines) appearing and going insane. This isn't even from the final act of the book.

Mortimore in the author commentary:

>So here’s the first page (p170) inspired by Alfred Bester’s Golem100. I’d had this page in my head for for a while now – ever since working in Lewisham Borough Council print shop at the age of about 22. Actually that’s not strictly true. I had a funky riff on this image. A page filled with the word “trapped” with a space in the middle with a single phrase of dialogue: “help.”Like this:

<(pic related)

>See? This is a case of show and tell. Let the words do what they say. A style Bester was quite brilliant at. Trapped-help was my first real attempt at this sort of writing. Years later it turned up in Campaign, heavily (iterated) modified as the image you see on p170, where the subject take the form of two lines, “Oh GOD it’s INISDE Me.” And “Oh it’s GOD inside me.” Line 2 qualifies line one rather neatly and both together take the shape of a crucifix walled by the word “help” which of course, qualifies the combination of lines one and two again by letting us know how the person undergoing this moment of epiphany feels about the experience. Six words to describe a multitude of layered information and feeling you could only just squeeze into a paragraph the size of this one.

>Neat huh?


Gatiss confirms Capaldi will be in Dracula https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kUKocwBHSI



But I thought Peter Capaldi hated Moffat because of his Writing?


Better clip from Gatiss, sounds like Capaldi will be playing the title role then? https://youtu.be/BN-Wg_HOEmU



That's really fucking brilliant. Artsy in a slightly pretentious way, but undeniably brilliant. Do you know of any more necessary Jimbo reading?



you cheeky fuck



Memes aside, check out >>41532


stay hungry stay foolish




Ok, this is epic


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caption this image



"You guys are gonna love this film. Snyder is a master of visual storytelling"



Eat, Nilso



eaT. Nilso?



does it count as a soy image since he's actually putting something into his mouth



"I love stuffing my mouth with dark meat."


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What's the best Nilso dr outfit?



"The Leathermen" look.



Blue scarf + black leather was kino.



Just curious, why choose the feast day and lenten vestments?



I was trying to think of ones Nilso would actually feasibly wear.



Well there's Blood Heat Director's Cut, which isn't nearly as bonkers as Campaign but rewrites/expands half the novel to be a shitload more ambitious. I may actually have a pdf of that to upload somewhere, I think it deserves a bit more exposure than it's had as a file Jim emails to you for the price of a drink. Watch this space.


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The green with the chirho is what Nilso is probably wearing as we speak. But the black is something more akin to what I'd see the Nilso Doctor wearing.


Is Nilso a good catholic boy?


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good god the black w/ gold trim is gorgeous


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>still no pdf

You're not going to do it, are you? Do you know why? It's because you're weak. You're gutless as well as a coward.


Padre Nilso

Nilso Rivera


Nilso Show





I intended the tone of the post to be more "i might do it in a while" than "I will go and upload it right now".


Black/Gold Daleks when?


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If that is what is to be done, let it be done already. I will have no further part of this.



No, he touched my peepee when i was a little boy :'(


YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

There's one Nilso I've tried very hard to forget…


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kino colour scheme



"What I did, I did without choice. In the name of sanity"

"But not in the name of the Nilso"









>tfw this made you feel nostalgic for someone you've never met



Nilso no more!



I am an old man. Old men tend not to have anything left to risk but themselves.


Just got a manuscript of Book of the Peace … this is gonna be a really, really good anthology.


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how will /got/ ever recover?






Tried to do this in my "Book of the Enemy" story, though I wasn't hardly inventive enough with it. I was rushed ok


The Younger World Story is one of those things that's really fun to hint at, but utterly impossible to tell any stories about.


BHDC is fucking wild. Love the Flux Doctor. There's a comic in the Unbound anthology set during the book, would recommend





wow n8 wow



How's it going, Neo?


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Oh god I'm Immigrant



Thoughts on Jodie having 2 birthdays on 3 and 17 June?


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Hi G-, uh, N8. It's going good, hacking away at the soon-to-release ST2.5. Tricky/fulfilling editing long stories. How's BOTP and yourself?



Celebrities Are Human?! Check Out These Top 13 Times 'Game of Thrones' Stars Got High!



Doctor Who was never good with dates



fucking kek



Nilso Is Just Like Us - And Why That's A Good Thing



That man is my favorite member of Blind Wave




What the fuck?


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tfw you realise the second cancellation will result in modern BF being the most official Doctor Who we get



So it finally hit you, Mr. I-Want-Doctor-Who-To-Get-Cancelled-Because-It-Would-Be-So-Subversive.



Amazing, everything you just said was wrong.



People want a second cancellation so currents fans can take over and give their takes but what would really happen is Briggs, Dorney and Fitton would get more power and influence on Doctor Who and even write for the televised show if it comes back a third time



The BBC will never let an audio only writer write for the show, let alone spearhead it.


I am a dangerous, dangerous man with a dangerous, dangerous boat.




Seasons of Fear > Th


Oh look at me ain't i cute. t nilso


Why is the twitch stream still online









me nilso. me am gay.


That nilso ain't correct. He is flawed


nilso smash rock. nilso make fire. nilso become tribe leader.


nilso abstain from vote. nilso think both sides bad as each other.


nilso want to see the emails


nilso think trump giant douche. nilso think hillary turd sandwich. nilso get opinion from cartoon.


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Okay, this is epic.



This subverted my expectations



using a meme phrase and playing it straight subverts your expectations?



yes. does this subvert your expectations of me?





>The Younger World Story is one of those things that's really fun to hint at, but utterly impossible to tell any stories about.

Didn't "We Are The Enemy" basically do that?



When I search those dates on the Tardis Wiki, I get results about Hitler and Vlad III.

Reminder that one of Brookhaven's films was called "Jodie's Law"


BotP is wonderful. Expect the return of some settings we haven't seen since Lawrence Miles' EDAs.




BF will take TV's spot and Obverse will take BF's spot?


Fair point. I don't see many more directions it can be taken, though. Highly doubt anyone will be writing a novel where the Great Houses break out of their bottle universe and take the fight to Lawrence Miles. (Though I would love to read that.)



What is your general redpill on Obverse? I'd ask for a bluepill and blackpill as well but that's probably not appropriate considering you're published by them.

I don't think BF can take TV's spot in any meaningful sense even as we bandy around the idea; the sheer magnitude to which they're creatively content with their current ambitions kind of sets the ceiling on what they'll do. But I think Observe certainly could take the spot BF has here, like on /who/ and spaces like it.

I hate doing this because I hate to be asked this sort of question when/if my answer is 'no', but with a writer like you it's worth gritting my teeth and doing it anyway - did you ever get around to smashing out that ~15min 2.5 fic of yours? No worries if you didn't. Still time if you've interest.



>Reminder that one of Brookhaven's films was called "Jodie's Law"

Another was called "The Long Coolth of Summer". I wonder if Simon Bucher-Jones wrote that bit?

>BotP is wonderful. Expect the return of some settings we haven't seen since Lawrence Miles' EDAs.

Interesting - the only major location that springs to mind is the planet Dust. The alternative regeneration and all the Foreman's World stuff makes it feel like an intensely Doctor Who-ish place, but I suppose there's nothing that would legally prevent it from resurfacing in a Faction Paradox context.


Is there an episode you thought was pretty good on first watch, but on rewatch your opinion massively shot up to think it's was great/perfect/a classic?

I have that with Husbands of River Song. Every time I watch it I admire it more and more and think it's legit one of Moff's best. It's so well-constructed and so fucking effortless - the lorework, the emotions, the humour, all of it is done so deftly it barely feels like anything was done at all, but you prod it or look closer and the sheer skill of it all is so impressive. I'm still amazed Moffat was able to rejig River and all the tangles around her so well, and in such a beautiful story.

Spearhead as well, when I watched it as a kid I thought it was neat, but I'd already seen Rose by that point so it felt less revelatory. After getting more context about the eras of the show, and watching The War Games and things like that, it slammed me in the face with how brilliant it is.



Originally, in the very first script notes (back when he was gonna be a future human), "Dr. Who" was to be a man obsessed with keeping the status quo and creating ideal conditions, to the point that he hated scientists. He wanted to stop the concept of progress altogether.

Obviously, he got changed later.



Yes, he did. It's in the Google Drive.



Editing long stories? The framing story, you mean?

And how are you doing today, Neo?


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If, as originally planned, The Husbands of River Song was indeed Moffat's last episode, Chibnall still didn't do Doctor Who in 2017 because he wanted to do Broadchurch series 3 instead, and Moffat DIDN'T take on Series 10 to keep the show alive and not on hiatus for 2017, what do you think the state of things would be like?

Do you think Chibnall would keep Capaldi on for a whole series, or regen him quickly into Jodie? Do you think we'd get any kind of content in 2017? Who from?



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>Do you think we'd get any kind of content in 2017? Who from?



I quite like the (probably bullshit) rumour that they were considering getting Whithouse to guest-showrun a shortened series starring Tilda Swinton as the Doctor. Would have been an interesting mess.



Amy's Choice for sure. The brilliance of it didn't necessarily jump out on first transmission when we were trying to work out what to expect, but returned to, it's easily a classic.



Maybe another series of Class?


I like almost every part of that plan, except the part where Whithouse is in charge.



I'll grudgingly accept shows run by awful writers if it means one or two great episodes will make it through the cracks. It was worth resurrecting The X-Files as a shambling zombie just for those two Darin Morgan scripts IMO.



I have no idea which two darin morgan wrote, and i haven't seen any of the last season, but chris carter episodes/arcs of the x files are terrible. I just can't give a shit. There were two stand out episodes in the season before last that were pretty amazing the MUSH ROOM and Rhys Darby episodes.



Newest season has a great episode about the Mandela Effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaSEk3MLNu4



You should definitely watch The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat, even if you have zero interest in the new season. Darin Morgan wrote it and the Rhys Darby episode, and they're very much on the same wavelength.


Class has been added to Netflix UK.




I will eventually watch the whole season. I'm a glutton for punishment. The delay is mostly my normal piracy site went to shit so i've fallen behind on my viewings. I've heard good things about that mandela ep and I'll be looking for the forehead sweat one too. Speaking of Rhys Darby I just got a copy of "What we do in the shadows" I can't wait to watch.


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how did nobody think of this earlier


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Something caught on tape, you could say.


He was the showrunner in the year it was impossible to get it right…


>I like almost every part of that plan, except the part where Whithouse is in charge.



What We Do In The Shadows is good kiwi fun, enjoy!



> I become the Doctor, a Time Lord, and - I could have a catchphrase? I could have a great catchphrase, like, my catchphrase could be "Quel dommage!". Like, "Quel dommage, Davros!". Like, and I could, like, and instead of like having a sonic screwdriver I could have and, and…



When did Briggs Finish stop making good covers?



>I don't think BF can take TV's spot in any meaningful sense even as we bandy around the idea; the sheer magnitude to which they're creatively content with their current ambitions kind of sets the ceiling on what they'll do.

That's a good take. Sometimes I wonder exactly how much the Beebs is limiting BF from being more experimental; I've seen a few people blame the War Doctor's boringness on that. Not sure how much I trust it, but it remains to be said that BF's best output in the last several years has been in the spinoffs.

>What is your general redpill on Obverse?

>But I think Observe certainly could take the spot BF has here, like on /who/ and spaces like it.

I think Obverse is closest thing we have to a last vestige of the Wilderness mentality and attitudes toward Who. Not just in the "Iris and the Faction" sense, but also in the "actively recruiting writers from the fanbase" sense. A lot of that is due to their focus on short stories, which is a wonderful strength in the post-"Short Trips" world.

(Though I feel a little bit guilty for not having gotten more into the Erimem series. I mean, Jimbo's writing a fucking trilogy. That's bound to be something. Plus Iain McLaughlin is a bro.)

I used to be a little salty about the direction they've taken the FP range (ie more scifi aesthetic, and more towards Dr Who than standalone. I know published FP writers who have told me they can't conceive of how the range could possibly be standalone from Dr Who: absolutely mind-blowing to hear, when that was the whole point at the start.) But then I realized that it's kind of necessary to sustain the influx of new writers. I've seen some people complain that Obverse pulls in fewer "big names" than MNP did, which I don't think is even true, if you count it out; and even then, I have to point out that (arguably) the best MNP FP book was written by someone whose only previous writing experience was in charity anthologies. If you want to find the new names who are most likely to pioneer the conceptual future of the Doctor Who universe, look no further than Obverse's writers lists. My only complaint would be that they've not done enough to promote the FP range to fandom, so they might be missing some of the folks with the best ideas. But I've done my best to fix the obscurity issue, at least.

At the same time … it seems to me like Obverse is starting to do the shift that MNP did around the time it dropped FP, what with the hard pivot towards reference guides and all. It's unsurprising that Black Archive is a more profitable range than FP or Iris, and on the one hand, that success has been channeled into Obverse's other output: if BotP comes out soon (which it should), that'll be the sixth FP release since the start of 2017, a pace we haven't seen since ~fifteen years ago when everything was just getting started and audios were still coming out. But it also means that eg PPH doesn't even have time to run the City range anymore, and as time passes I get more and more concerned about how I've heard absolutely nothing about any Faction or City releases planned beyond BotP. So who knows what the future will hold.

Re ST2.5: cf >>41620 , I could send a copy direct to you as well. Moffchad@gmail.com?


>Another was called "The Long Coolth of Summer". I wonder if Simon Bucher-Jones wrote that bit?

It's entirely possible – there were a ton of people involved in the Brookhaven stuff, to my knowledge. I kind of doubt it was an intentional allusion, though, considering the obvious "Warmth" pun. I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered "The Long Coloth of Summer" as a title for something or other.

>Interesting - the only major location that springs to mind is the planet Dust.

Think harder. (Really my bad for specifying "setting", which is probably misleadingly specific.)



I'd love to see this idea done in a novel or comic or something.



>I've heard good things about that mandela ep and I'll be looking for the forehead sweat one too.

Conveniently, they're the same episode

>Think harder. (Really my bad for specifying "setting", which is probably misleadingly specific.)

Hmm. A chronological setting maybe? I've been assuming the whole book is set post-War, which is an era that hasn't really been explored since Alien Bodies, but I hadn't considered the possibility of specific EDA elements being revisited. A story that found a copyright-friendly way to explore the Doctor's death on Dronid would be pretty based.


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Based Lym



why did they think they could make a cyborg?



They did change the character from a black guy to an old woman, presumably to shake off the Cyborg comparisons.


I do actually think they do a decent one now and again still, but I muuuuuuuuuuuch preferred the more stylised ones in the early main range. At least they finally dropped the horrendous sidebar.


I don't really get too worried about Briggs Finish eclipsing anything or replacing anything precisely because I feel like we have zero to fear from the ambitions of those running it. I'd prefer having something to fear beyond endless output, honestly. Imagine a Briggs on the warpath to make some sort of radical imprint on Who as we know it. I guess he probably feels he's already done that honestly, and to be fair the end of the EDAudios did push stuff enough that I'll give him credit there. But these days…nah. Potential redpill: the New Series license has handicapped them, hard, enabling them to coast off easy marketability and also bringing the BBC's eyes closer down upon them. They've lost the limitations and freedoms they thrived upon. Dark Eyes did interesting vague stuff swirling around the Time War, but 8's Time War serious does horrible self-evident shit just doing the fucking Time War, etc.

The War Doctor stuff I believe, I know how irritating it is to have someone insist something is real and be too lazy to bring up sources but I swear on Jimbo's life I've seen in Vortex/heard on the podcast/absorbed somewhere else from some of the actual producers/creatives at BF that the BBC gave them some strictures for the WarDoc stuff. I feel like it was Briggs on the podcast but imagine actually digging through those to find the clip. I guess we could tweet them but I feel like they're more cagey on twitter under the big public eye compared to quieter comments on their own channels.

Oh the spinoffs and non DW stuff thrive just fine, for sure, I have zero issues with most of those. Their Classics range is consistently super solid, Torchwood and River are legitimately very-good-to-occasionally-legit-great, etc. James Goss is the lifeblood of good BF.

Can't remember if I've had this conversation with you specifically before, but something that kills me with the Chibnall era is the severance of NewWho from the wilderness. It was a long time coming, but with RTD and Moff gone and Chibnall and his attitude to past Who being what it is, really feels like we're gonna lose that link. It'll always be present in tiny ways, little characterisation and setting things, but that active writer link to the wilderness era I'm pretty sure is dimming out for good. RIP to the most creative and reflective period of Doctor Who having any direct bearing on the present. But, like you say…Obverse! They're in the present!

Can't agree with you more on the fanbase pull stuff. So important.

I got the story now dw, should've thought to double check on that other channel. Exciting!


Imagine if the Class audios are actually good. I don't see how, with the writers, the premise, the setting, and the company producing them, but…imagine.




Cool beans.






Shit. Grandroid is much better


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Class, but it's pitched by Loz or Jimbo.



That one girl from the TSJA pilot did make it into FP.



I honestly don't think these things would even cross Briggs's mind. He has no concept of ambitious or complex storytelling. He thinks pragmatically, in terms of which actors and properties he has access to, and how he can maximise the efficiency of his symbiotic relationship with middle-aged guys who want to gorge on continuity and nostalgic recreations of stuff they saw as children. I can't imagine Briggs reading Dick or Vonnegut. I can't imagine him reading fucking anything.



What's wrong with these writers? Who would you want to write for audio class?



BF is sick, and I think they need a doctor.



They're not Patrick Ness, and Patrick Ness.



But seriously, I like Guy Adams a lot and Handcock sometimes, but the other writers I recognise don't really make me think the stories will be super memorable. I am glad Fitton and Dorney aren't on the range, and I'm glad Goss is busying himself with better things.



Scott Handcock said PNess had some involvement


How do we fix Briggs Finish?


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I don't know what you mean it's perfect



Remove the Doctor Who licence.



I've heard good things about their shakespere adaptations



Yeah they're great, Warner made a great Lear.


The BBC revokes Briggs Finish's Doctor Who licence and gives it to Ian levine. What happens?



Even more fanwank and sequels to classic stories



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Nilso smokes




Can we get her to t nilso?



For Nilso, wouldn't it be more like "We made it N8 - Berlin 1945!"



Nothing changes




>Asperger's syndrome, aspiring screenwriter, #LibDem liberal, pro-EU, #Remoaner, #FBPE, #WATON, #ExitFromBrexit, #resist #Dotard #tRump/#PutinsPuppet.

what an insufferable creature


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>followers include Piss Heather



What's your favourite tweet? This is mine https://twitter.com/TeaNilso/status/1002678462648324096



I don't see anything wrong here?



On a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate the "tRump" pun.



Imagine including not one, not two, but THREE hackneyed and unfunny Donald Trump hashtags IN YOUR BIO OF YOURSELF



Neo, I have no thoughts on it.



I never include hackneyed hashtags in my bio. The trouble with hackneyed hashtags is you can never be sure…who's hacking who.


Something tells me he mightn't either.


nilso strong. nilso bash refugee head in with rock.




How's your day been, Neo?


nilso think poor should die.



Tell me more about how Nilso forms his opinions.


Oh Loz…


Productive way, hacking away at 2.5 stuff. Timey to the wimey. Very excited for when it'll all be out. Want to do a Spragg pitch after all this drops, then clear my head a while. Ah fuck those are due by the end of the month. You can do more than one though, which is neat. Back to work tomorrow. Well, today. Not that many hours away really. Sigh.


nilso read daily star. nilso old enough to vote. nilso decide to watch anime instead.



Do one about the Zygon eps


Nilso prays to Jesus instead



if its any consolation I think everyone should die so don't count it as a personal thing



Good to hear. By the way, a note: I want my fic "Supernova" to be placed somewhere after the fic "Perfect Authentic Cadence".

I'm sure you'll do a good Spragg Pitch. Hope your work-week goes well.


nilso think refugee monster. nilso think refugee taking jobs. nilso unemployed.



Not sure if you replied to the right comment? I agree ultimately though.



A sort of Kylo Ren figure to Omega/Rassilon perhaps




Have you done your pitch yet?


I know for a fact Nilso has some kind of employment desu.



I haven't done a pitch at all. Maybe I should?


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fic truk just arive



Because the actors who portray Amy and Rory were leaving the series


nilso not pro life. nilso not pro choice. nilso support mandatory abortion.


Nilsopolis is the story in which Nilso goes blonde



Also, have you gotten any submissions from the email?

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