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Biscum are morally equivalent to hetfags
>mfw there's a lewd yaoi fic in ST2.5
I was about to post a MEW edition.
There's two. Here I thought I was going too far, including a Sherlock fic in there…
One of the most unique aspects of Doctor Who, something so vital to its longevity and creativity, is that it has no canon. The BBC, the authority behind the property, has never decreed a canon apart from a ridiculously minor and adjacent case relating to a video game (not even the TV show).
Paul Cornell phrases it like
>“the continuity of Doctor Who was always so all over the place anyway that something in a new story not matching up with something from an earlier one was just the way things were, rather than an aberration that had to be corrected through canonical excommunication”,
>“Not giving a toss about how it all fits together is one of Doctor Who’s oldest, proudest traditions, a strength of the series. (And a No Prize to the person who points out the first ever continuity error in the original series.) It’s allowed infinite change, and never left the show crunched into a corner after all the dramatic options had already been done”,
>“There was never and now cannot be any authority to rule on matters of canonicity in a tale that has allowed, or at the very least accepted, the rewriting of its own continuity. And you’re using the fact that discussions of canonicity are all about authority to try to assume an authority that you do not have”.
It’s clear what this has done for Doctor Who, the ways it has functioned as creative liberation and fandom revitaliser. It’s very much a rarity when it comes to other genre series across mediums. You don’t need to lok to as ridiculous an example of canonicity as Star Wars to see that authority-decreed canon is the norm.
However, there is another property I can think of that, like Doctor Who, has no canon, even though most of its casual consumers assume it does have one. Like Doctor Who, its lack of canon has contributed massively to the creativity of its storytelling and to the liberation of the many varied writers working on it. I’m talking about a video game series - The Elder Scrolls.
The Elder Scrolls is a fantasy RPG series. The two most recent mainline entries, Skyrim and Oblivion, look like fairly generic Tolkien-descended fantasy on the surface. The deeper in the lore you dig (not even necessarily just the further back in the series you go, as the first entry was rather generic as well, and the “current” entry of The Elder Scrolls online brims with the weirder lore) the less true that holds. Bethesda have never defined a canon for The Elder Scrolls and show absolutely no interest in ever doing so.
Lawrence Shick, one of the more important figures when it comes to Elder Scrolls lore (currently serving as “loremaster” for The Elder Scrolls Online) puts it like this:
>“Elder Scrolls is different from most fantasy campaign worlds, right? I mean, the typical paradigm, you know - George RR Martin with Westeros, Tolkien with Middle Earth, the familiar D&D worlds of The Forgotten Realms or the world of Greyhawk - those all have histories and backgrounds that are all laid out and they’ve all got some lore-daddy who decided everything and everything is ‘this is how it is’, so everything works within the envelope of things that are already decided.
>“Elder Scrolls - Tamriel - does not follow that paradigm. In Elder Scrolls, all lore is delivered not from on high by revelation, but from people who live their lives in the game, in the world of the game, and based on their beliefs. So that does two things for us: It means the lore always carries not just information about what the person is talking about, but also information about the person and their culture. Because the way the lore is delivered tells you how they believe things actually work in the world.
>“What this means, of course, is that people have different viewpoints - these viewpoints sometimes contradict each other, and so sometimes we have players saying “alright, this person believes that, and that person believes this other thing, but which one’s the real thing?” Well… it’s not a world like ours. In a world like ours, where you can sort of trust in science and say “well yes, people have different beliefs but I know there is an objective reality.” This is a world of myth. This is a world where reality is actually changeable, where the Divines can change not only what happens going forward, but what has happened in the past. So, you know, the idea there is an objective reality behind all these different people’s opinions is not necessarily the case in the world of Tamriel. So listen to what all these different people have to say, make up your own mind, make up your own beliefs about what happened and you’re as liable - since you’re playing in their world and you’re playing a character in their world - what you think happened is as legitimate as what that NPC thinks”.
This is distinct from Doctor Who’s manner of embracing a lack of canon and contradicting continuity. Doctor Who uses the vastness of time and space and endless reshufflings therein. The Elder Scrolls uses the subjectiveness of both character’s and player’s sense of the game’s reality, explicitly framing the gameworlds as scaled subjective versions of a imaginative reality simultaneously accessible by all and created by all. Todd Howard puts it as
>“All of our lore is obviously written as ideal, to say X province or city has so many people, but you can’t always actually pull that off on screen, or even store it, so you try to create a scale that feels good in game, that plays well and is fun. So the scale of the terrain and the number of NPCs is always geared to the gameplay more than the lore saying how big or small something is”.
Not that dissimilar from Steven Moffat saying
>“If, in Listen, you're happy that the little boy in the bed is the Doctor, then great. But if you're not, that's fine too. I keep saying, headcanon is important, because that's where the show really happens: in the hearts and minds of all the people watching”.
The two properties clearly follow the same principles of creative liberation and fandom empowerment.
The biggest name in Elder Scrolls writing, Michael Kirkbride, published a comic book called C0DA that explicitly within the text frames The Elder Scrolls as open fiction free to be personalised and created by the audience as much as by Bethesda. It positions all Elder Scrolls fiction as speculative fiction about an imagined universe nobody can actually access - it is imaginary, after all - but that is produced just as validly by a fanfic writer online as by him, and any writer working on future Elder Scrolls titles. “Everything is canon” and “nothing is canon” became memes in the community following the release of that comic - the Doctor Who memetic parallels are easy to see.
Every Elder Scrolls story or lore tidbit is framed as a text commenting on the text, and the latter text doesn’t exist except for how people write and talk about it. Not quite Doctor Who’s method of, at an in-universe level time travel and reality hijinks letting every story coexist, and at an out-of-universe level people simply accepting that in a series this old and handled by the BBC as it has been, there is no real ordained validity, but both series certainly follow “nothing is true, everything is permitted”. Atlantis is destroyed in three different ways. Cyrodiil is both a vast jungle and rolling idyllic plains. Both competing versions of these stories coexist both through in-universe explanations and out-of-universe acceptance by fans and writers. It’s a beautiful thing.
They mightn’t look similar on the surface (although dig a little and you’ll find time and space travel and robots in The Elder Scrolls as well), but both franchises follow a very admirable and interesting approach (or lack of approach) to “canon” that I really love.
page number of the other one?
I'd say you might need brain bleach, but…
Any quick thoughts on my stories?
Actually, Neo, weren't you planning on writing a deep-fake related story for ST2.5? Did you ever get that done?
Why does his penis have muscles?
is this one of those female yaoi artists that don't know how dicks work
The Thirteenth and Fourteenth Doctors.
>He doesn't do dicklifts
Dude, you can never skip dick day.
I definitely think Fourteenth Doctor will be female. I'm not sure whether Hayley will be up to it, though.
Nilso deleted the wonderful yaoi some lovely young girl drew of him, so shameful.
You can’t see the person speaking in the comic so it might be a woman
We need to have an official statement by supreme leader cloi
Is posting pornography against the board rules? As far as I'm aware, up until now it hasn't been, as long as you use spoiler tags.
/who/ thrives when it's a lax atmosphere without heavy moderation.
I've never been banned for yaoiposting as GlitterGun. My posts have never been removed either
That's true, it could be the aftermath of a brutal pegging.
Same, which is why I feel like this particular instance needs addressing. It doesn't match how the board has been moderated in the past, and coincides with janitors being put in place. Whether it's nilso or the other unknown one, they need to know what their active duties are and aren't.
I want to know what that image was, can the anon in question repost it?
As this is an image of cultural and historical significance, I shall greatly resent any deletion of it.
I am the other unknown janitor and I would never remove porn as long as it is spoilered and not illegal, too indecent (e.g. scat) or disturbing.
Unironically Hoodie. His entire existence seems to be comprised of moaning about how Doctor Who is now shit and 'muh SJWs.'
Imagine if it actually was porn of Nilso that someone commissioned for 50 dollars
As a not-mod, maybe there should be a limit on how far one goes with Nilso-posting? Like, maybe not going too creepy with it?
I got the impression it was a reference to Lucifer the TV show, or maybe Preacher, going by the blog I saw it on.
>shaft thicker than the head
>dick looks like a balloon with a distinct bend
is anyone actually attracted to that?
I deleted it. It seemed to go a little too far for the general thread. I'd prefer they'd be tagged nsfw as well as spoilered. As to avoid potential unwanted viewings by someone other than a /who/re that maybe around.
As someone who does occassionally sneak a peek at /doctorwho/ at work, I have zero problem with porn pictures or whatever but would really appreciate them being spoilered/marked nsfw.
It's pretty clearly going soft after a big blow-out, so the bend doesn't bug me.
Anything less than actual threats against Nilso is fine by me.
Reminds me of TUAT.
what about the general bulbousness? the shape's too exaggerated for me imo
Eh, so long as the intent/attempt behind it is humor I'm ok with it so long as the man himself is. I'd be quite cross if it crossed over to malice.
I concur. No one wants to lose a job because they thumbed/hovered over a picture unknowingly. Have the courtesy to mark them NSFW.
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Why does Doctor Who shy away from modern dystopia? The only NewWho case is the two LOTLs and they barely engage with the idea in favour of lore theatrics.
It's a bit dark conceptually for kids innit? Everything is shit? They can kinda flirt with the idea but they couldn't commit to it.
Oh yeah! Still, that's vastly more interested in using the dystopia as a Doctor sized hole and point for Donna's characterisation rather than really digging into it in its own right. Grace notes like the camps are done super well though.
>Everything is shit
But didn't Moffat's era effectively already do this anyway?
were did roorie go
That's only in it's execution and production, arguably.
I think the point of it is that the author got so caught up in his sexual fantasy that he forgot he'd included the character of Rory altogether.
Also, and I know Neo will disagree, straight-up pessimism is sort of against the spirit of Doctor Who. That show's usually pretty optimistic, in that "things will get better" or, at worst, "things can get better."
twas a joke my dude
Meant to link that here >>50093
Just because you’re joking doesn’t mean what you said is false
I'm more OK with the possibility of a mommy doctor than I should be
I suppose watching TUAT does feel vaguely dystopic.
All jokes have a bit of truth in them. Is there anyone 100% happy with Moffat's run?
I'd be inclined to agree. I understand Neo's er wanting for that though. Doctor Who's timeslot or mandate for family viewing is so limiting. It could be SO MUCH MORE!.
Haha, yeah I'll be avoiding toxic stuff to my best ability. I always see people say "oh, everyone hates that the doctor will be female but I think it's fine" and other things, but I haven't come across someone yet that actually feels that way. I'm interested to know why people feel a certain way about some things for the most part.
When are we getting one of those?
I don't think a dystopia story is even necessarily pessimistic though; most aren't these days, presumably the Doctor would liberate them or something. I was just thinking that every time NewWho goes for that sort of setting they barely go into it because the writer gets so caught up in Doctor Who lore stuff (the Master in LOTL, the Master in LOTL, the absence of the Doctor in TL).
I was very happy with what Moff did with DW's mandate really, I think he broadened it pretty far while still keeping it recognisably "family" viewing. I don't have a big issue with the show staying family viewing while the EU can do more adult or more childish, like The Sarah Jane Adventures for kids, or the VNAs for adult virgins. What kinda pisses me off these days is I feel like all the EU is family geared as well, BF have abandoned doing adult DW stories for ages.
>Doctor Who's timeslot or mandate for family viewing is so limiting
I think it's a concept that spreads into the EU. Even the darker stories have an optimistic edge, because the Doctor's an optimistic character. (Although one of my stories in ST2.5 is explicitly not necessarily optimistic).
Jodie could be a mommy Doctor (large breasts are not what makes a mommyfu a mommyfu, though it helps).
Can we stop?
Me, I'm not
Can we stop?
Me, I'm not
Can we stop?
Me, I'm not
Can we stop?
Me, I'm not
My recommendations when it comes to Nilso forums is usually to stay well away from them but you might be made of stronger stuff than I am…
what's the point if it's not a complete milktruk
>all the EU is family geared as well,
>BF have abandoned doing adult DW stories for ages.
Ahh, but you've conflated too things. Doing "adult DW" and being "family-geared" are not incompatible; BF could have complex well-done storytelling without being childish.
Adult DW and family-geared DW are two entirely different things; family-geared pitches to children and adults, adult pitches only/primarily to adults. Night Thoughts and Scherzo weren't made to work equally well for the kiddies. BF are/were well-aware the vast, vast majority of their customers are adult men.
based Night Thoughts shoutout
The Chimes Of Midnight could work just as well for adults or kiddies, though. Also:
You mean adult men and women? I'm pretty sure Who appealed to both.
For all its many, many faults, Miracle Day certainly starts out as a powerfully menacing dystopia.
Preacher is a good example of a show that appeals to both kids and adults, unlike Who.
Which is the exact point my last two posts have made when talking about family audiences.
And no, I don't mean adult men and women, because while I'm sure BF have cultivated a much larger female audience share now, I highly doubt it was half as large during the era of adult BF stories I'm thinking of.
>BF could have complex well-done storytelling
Its very kid friendly. Look at this friendly dog man
Oh for sure, Torchwood handles it quite well, even in Miracle Day. The ending of…epsiode five of MD I think it is, with Vera being shot by that sexist dweeb and then burned alive is legitimately chilling and entirely a part of the fucked-up nature of the system in the season and the sort of people it enabled.
I wouldn't disagree about the potential optimism of dystopia. It's just probably a pretty fine line. Moffat for sure pushed that boundary and I thought it was really nice to go darker. I'd also agree that the franchise has become more homogenized on the whole, playing towards the middle ground instead of the experimental or mandate divergent with DW proper. I completely understand the fascination here with fanfic and fan productions. I think that's probably where you'll find some of the future's great doctor who works because it's not bound by those limitations.
Jodie seems more the eccentric aunt that gives lets you have liquor at parties and buys you prophylactics and museum quality historical artifacts at an inappropriate age for your birthday.
Yup, very well-put. Maybe a future showrunner will decide to shake things up and focus more on kiddies or more on adults but I doubt it.
I feel like Who was such a staple of British culture that it always had female fans. I mean, Kate Orman, Mags Halliday, and Lloyd Rose were all famous Who novel writers, plus one of the editors of the VNA range was female. For what it was, EU Who had quite a bit of female involvement, and that probably reflected its fanbase.
Preacher is pretty cool fams. It's like a comic book, kids would probably love it.
I really loved season 1 but want to wait until the whole show is finished before watching the rest of it.
I'll try to keep spoilers to a minimum
I don't mind em too much; I have a friend that's read the comics and have asked him some stuff. I forget most of it though.
Don’t you know doctor who is a kids show lol
>For what it was
The fact that you have to qualify that statement with "for what it was" goes against your own point.
Briggs Finish Doctor Who audios for kids
I feel like I enjoyed season 1 a bit more, but I kind of actively dislike the setting of season 2 for unrelated reasons so it was a little less comfy for me by distraction. There's a bit of a loss that was a tad heartbreaking for me too as I really liked the character and actor.
Not really. It may have not as many female fans as it does now, but it probably still had more female fans than other fandoms at the time.
I think there's a bigger segment of female fans in most of scifi fandoms that people realize or give credit for. They're just a bit more closeted or casual about it.
Season 2 should have been 10 episodes instead of 12. Would have gotten rid of that boring subplot with tulips old husband even if it did have a cool fight. At least season 3 is back to 10 episodes and has a different location again
>More female fans than other fandoms at the time
Seriously? We're talking about the era of X-Files and Buffy. And I'd put a safe bet on Trek having cultivated a larger female audience than Who up to that point.
Because nerds are usually incels and women don’t want to expose themselves to those kinds of people
I notice more women fans of nerdy stuff irl than online really; cons I've been to are very gender-balanced but assumed masculinity online makes things seem a lot more male-dominated.
Forgot about X-Files and Buffy.
But I'm thinking that fans of 90s BF were fans of the classic series, and that probably included women (little girls hid behind the sofa as much as little boys, I presume.) So Briggs Finish probably had quite a few female buyers.
I could have done without that too.
>Trek having cultivated a larger female audience than Who
Absolutely. Easily 50/50 based on my experiences at conventions and being part of a larp troop for a year in my misguided youth. Kinky freaks too.
I would have actually ventured that it was because women are pretty critical of other women, especially of the age and time I was running in those circles. Like it was much more socially damning for a girl to be a star trek nerd in HS than a guy.
I wouldn't know, I've kind of lived in a bubble for the last 15 or so years but the ST cons and some of the regional cross over ones I went to always had a good mix. Ratios being about the same for a school dance.
>I would have actually ventured that it was because women are pretty critical of other women, especially of the age and time I was running in those circles. Like it was much more socially damning for a girl to be a star trek nerd in HS than a guy.
when will toxic femininity be challenged?
Maybe it's from a bubble of my own but I've always felt like the guys that bemoan the lack of girl fans for geeky stuff just aren't getting out of the fucking house. Even in my tiny rural high school there were plenty of girls into geeky shit. I feel like guys make it a self-fulfilling prophecy when they get such a complex about the gender breakdown in nerd fandoms.
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I would completely agree that it's some kind of myopic perception that there aren't enough manic pixie nerd grrrls out there. The only thing I can attribute it to is gaps in potential interaction, like cons are few and far between. If you put yourself out there and aren't a complete creep about it you wouldn't have problems finding someone of similar taste or interests. I'd think it's probably easier now since "geek culture" is out of the closet.
imagine unironically reading a cloister post
Imagine receiving a frivolous and completely unjustifiable ban.
Did someone say they want to hear anon's posting history?
I swear the fedora'd gentleman @ the neo moment was coincidence.
Pertwee is the Reddit Doctor
The new series of Little Britain look shit.
>S. […] J. […] W.
Nilso confirmed for leftie Tumblr scum
Nilso confirmed for rightist Reddit scum
How the fuck are RTDfags real?
Sometimes there just isn't another steppe
I would just like to confirm that despite the salacious accusations, I did not actually participate in the political argument at the end of the last thread, and wouldn't have done even if I wasn't asleep at the time. t. Ingiga
Remember the realisation that you cute boys-post instead of political-post
Come on Giga, only you would advocate for a communist gay ethnostate
Imagine not doing both.
Implying a certain kitty wouldn't.
Your flag is very hostile.
unironically me when gig posts in thread
Dragon's Den or Shark Tank, /who/?
Nilso is perhaps the only woman I am attracted to.
if Nilsos gay why is he a priest?
>this blatant misattribution of Cats' shit to me
It's almost like someone has an agenda here.
The only one here with an agenda is you, Nilso.
Absolutely based Cloi
7 and 8 are the Reddit Doctors, as much as I love them both. This is common knowledge.
I have a friend who's only into NuWho, but is almost as autistic about it as we are. He prefers Moffat's stories, but RTD's era. His reasoning is that he prefers the exploration of humanity, despite feeling that some factors were under and overdone or even totally incorrect (i.e. the working class stuff in series 1 and 2 were all wonky; some bits perfect, others very clearly written by a man who has never been anything less than middle). He was also generally happier with the consistency of stories, which I can't say I disagree with. It's already been spoken about in depth here in a conversation led by Neo: Moff definitely swept out most of the writers who were "better" than him (Simon Nye, Neil Gaiman) and kept the writers who were slightly above average (Mathieson), average (Dollard) or below (Whithouse) in order to maintain his 'best writer' presence. By default, this made his series' less consistent than RTD's - series 8 is the exception to this, and arguably so is s9, which is probably a big reason why we love them so much. I think it was also easier for people to latch on to the characters, since RTD was so good at specifying everyone's dialogue and giving them genuine individual personalities, causing them to feel an overwhelming sense of nostalgia when rewatching.
it's 2018 sweetie
denominations that ignore that part of the bible can exist
what did he mean by this?
I think 12 and Clara (mayybe a few other characters of Moff's I can think of too but I ain't gonna go there) are characters so much so much better written, with so much more depth, so much more literary, so much more keyed into actual human psychology than RTD's, but so much of that is implicit and not shouted through stereotype and stock archetypes that it doesn't come through for half as many people.
Genuinely no idea.
There are two types of /who/res. The type that post social media links in /who/, and the type that dive in to write a reply the moment they see one
There are two types of /who/res. You're either a N*lso or a G*ga.
Can't wait for them to adapt this in Season 3
Yeah, I'm thinking he's back.
Remind me how Catterson S2 ended again? I remember future Liam trying to get Liam to kill his companion or something…and it probably ended with Liam murdering the fuck out of someone because that's how it always seems to go…but if there was a cliffhanger I forget what it was.
The fact that it's implicit is the problem. It doesn't HAVE to be "shouted through stereotype and stock archetypes", but it should have been a little bit more. Unless you're both very, very invested in the show and have at least a half-decent grasp on analytical skills, you're not gonna have the desire nor patience nor ability to unpick the characters. I do wish some people would just stop and think or read a few articles before making posts slandering Moff's era, but I have to admit to the belief that keeping your character intentions almost purely subtextual is not the way to go with a TV show consumed by more casuals than fans. There's a fucking hell of a lot to look into (Tasha Lem, River Song, Missy, the Silence to name a few points of interest), but unless they genuinely care, people are not going to look beyond the surface of what's presented to them.
>world enough and time
what did they mean by this
Oh to have had this addressed to me instead of Sloath :( May I respond anyway?
BF have zero creativity and literally just fucking use episode names now
Yes sorry kek, I meant to reply to you
wait so the river story actually has no relevance to the episode? it isn't a clever retelling of the plot or something
I'm a lot more (read: only) invested in my personal experience of the show rather than its general health/viewership/longevity, and I love stories that communicate mostly subtextually (read: Snyder), so I'll remain eternally chuffed by what we got, but yeah certainly it's no surprise it didn't work for most viewers.
Zero. Fucking. Connection.
>thinking I'm sloath
>thinking so poorly of sloath that you think he screencapped his own tweet
sloath's present is a fucking nightmare
I wonder whats for dinner
I had shell pasta with meatballs and arrabiata sauce
Was just wondering that myself.
That's completely fair. In terms of my enjoyment of the show, I'm completely the same - very happy with what we got. It saddens me to know we'll never get anything like Moffat's era again. I'm interested in looking at other people's views on the show, though, and like looking into how it was received not only by my peers but how that opinion might reflect on viewership as a whole (especially in the RTD v Moff argument. I think it's better to look at general consensus than personal opinions in that, considering most of us are biased towards and would sooner argue in favour of Moffat).
I think RTD is a better writer than Moff in so many ways, but I'm so much less interested in what RTD generally does. Even in the novelisations, RTD's prose was easily stronger but his book isn't a tenth as interesting as Moff's.
I wouldn't count out future showrunners just yet. TV will be so different in two decades. TV mightn't even be the mainline form of Doctor Who in that time. I don't see anything Moff level in the next ten~fifteen years, but who knows what will happen eventually, and there's always the chance of some bizarre BBC decision enlivening the EU again.
Also, not sure if you're aware of this, but sometime in the next ~8 years iirc (most likely when Chibnall leaves), the BBC has to let third parties shop plans for Doctor Who to the BBC as well. BBC Studios will do this as always and likely get it as normal, but third party studios (Netflix, Amazon, etc.) can and will offer their plans for the show as well, and theoretically the BBC will go with them (really not in their best interests imo, but possible). That would potentially change the show in quite a big way and potentially let a strange showrunner decision happen.
Post cowardly showrunner decisions.
I remember there being a tiny section of a thread discussing this after Sandifer tweeted about it, yeah. The BBC would be stupid to give up Doctor Who and it won't happen, but the possibilities it would open up might just be worth it, for us. Netflix Who would likely be fucking horrendous, but in ~8 years' time, who knows what services will be around and willing to pick it up?
What I really, desperately want - and I know I'm never gonna get it, even if the BBC does sell Doctor Who - is a complete change of the show's nature. Take it in a direction that's almost completely different. I think Fox were planning on doing that with the McGann series. Something like that, whether it failed or not, would be so, so worth trying.
The BBC would still own it but the division of BBC Studios as a nominally separate thing is weird and the thought of Netflix Who is goddamn terrible, but I think it speaks to how changing circumstances at the BBC will eventually see the show transform in a strange/interesting way, one way or another.
We'll get my Gallifrey political comedy one day.
nobody other than the bbc can be trusted with doctor who and i don't see that changing any time soon
Developing a hamartia for the Tenth Doctor, realising it for ten minutes, then dropping it in his actual death story.
Every time RTD teased a companions death
Blackpill: his hamartia was developed all through S2 and realised in The Family of Blood before being dropped until EOT
ok but what about his cathartia
Aw, glad you can recognise me now. I suppose the McGann reference gave it away. What if I told you McGann isn't even my favourite Doctor, nor is the TVM my favourite story?
I'm completely serious here - do you think Disney might have a crack at Doctor Who? Or, now that they've got Fox, do you think they might use that route?
Nope, Morphant again
>This is the story of how I died.
>One will still die…
That wasn't what gave you away, it was actually your shared desire for the show to holistically transform itself. Surprised to see a non-gig use a term like harmatia though.
Hmm, maybe, Disney really really want to swallow up as much content as they can for their streaming service so they can transcend the Amazon v Netflix v etc game (they won't succeed in that, they'll just be another competitor, but they'll try) but I don't see them specifically seeking out Who. Interesting thought though. Might actually succeed in making me drop Who too.
I'd be fine with Amazon doing Who, they give their creators a long enough leash and don't try to mash everything into a specific brand message. Obviously I'd prefer the BBC but I wouldn't cry a river like I would for Netflix or Disney getting it.
>The valiant child, who will die in battle.
I bet gig is feeling confused and unsure of himself after someone else started dropping terms like harmatia.
as long as the BBC still exist Doctor Who should be run by them
The BBC will always own Doctor Who, the question is whether they will always produce and distribute it.
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when will dr who reach kinography of this level?
RTD making Eleven do nothing except talk about Ten visiting every single companion he'd ever known for some reason
(7th July 2023)
Control of the hit BBC drama Doctor Who has been handed over to a man calling himself Nilso. BBC will still retain the rights but Nilso will have complete control.
>Padre Nilso is the composer for series 11
Have you read the Cadence stories (pg 303-344) yet?
If one of us had to run DW I'd want it to be catharcticspurious. God knows I'd run it into the ground asap.
How would various /who/res run/ruin Doctor Who if given control by the BBC?
i'd like to see a writing team composed of otherist, giga, catharticspurious and twinkanon. imagine the concepts they would come up with
Two words. One starting with an A, the other with an H.
Your version of DW would probably be far more pessimistic than my preference, but I'd enjoy it nonetheless.
I hope this is a joke
I do 100% have an extensive envisioning of what I'd do with Doctor Who if I got to run a series, and it would involve a hell of a lot of Tennant. I'll write it up one day.
>and it would involve a hell of a lot of Tennant
I'm intrigued, because fucking why?
Would you like a version of DW made by me?
Yes. I'll go further and say I'd like a version of DW made by anyone other than from Chris Chibnall.
Obviously not Neo, but I feel like your Who would feel like Sense8, Jessica Jones, etc - Netflix's darkly shot, grungy American streets type superhero drama. Am I right?
Sorry, I missed this post. Not yet. I'm free all day, and it's only quarter to 1 - I've got time.
>Netflix's darkly shot, grungy American streets type superhero drama
Could you explain that more?
I would think my version of Who would be rather surreal, and often involving questions of identity and perception.
Nilso's Doctor Who would be conservative and tradgun with Sawardian forced moral complexity.
Probably not. Would you like me to do a summary or something similar?
Immigrant's Doctor Who would be neoliberal and tradfrock and with blockbuster-esque style-over-substance production.
Everyone list the three TV shows, and one DW season/series, your DW would be the most like
Twin Peaks S3
The last two seasons of the X-Files
Neo's Doctor Who would be subversive and radgun but place substance over style to such a degree that it'd be basically unwatchable, fit for psuedointellectual blog analysis but not much else.
The Fuller approach :^)
Cats' Doctor Who would be tradgun masquerading as radgun through needlessly complex plots and hackneyed political messages.
Oh no, it'd be very SJW.
I'd like to think I'm radfrock, but I've been told I'm a tradfrock writer.
>blockbuster-esque style-over-substance production
I'd try to have lots of substance in my scripts.
>First 2 seasons of X-files
>Series 8 of NuWho
Fringe before Season 5
Better Call Saul
I feel this is completely accurate.
As is this.
>Twin Peaks (s3)
>Hammer House of Horror / Mystery & Suspense
>Series 13/26 of classic Who
Yeah yeah, dismiss the criticisms of your own works while you revel in the criticisms of others :^)
I'd really like that desu.
Sounds kino. BCS has such excellent pacing holy shit.
So Nilso it hurts. Would be top kino.
When I say 'dark streets', I mean shots like the pics selected.
I imagine Immigrant Who to focus on a female main character's lament, her steadfast nature and headstrong decision-making etc, but the flaws she has (e.g. maybe not wanting to be 'the Doctor' who saves people anymore; depression over the loss of a loved one; the feeling that she only causes trouble wherever she goes.)
I picked out Jessica Jones as an example because she's that sort of character, and I can imagine you having a set main villain that she's either been searching or running away from (Family of Blood style).
It would also lean heavily on the fantastical - I can imagine a medieval magic episode and a dystopian surrealism episode (Gridlock but with Mad Hatter-like characters).
Not that anon, but fuck yeah I would.
>moffags criticising RTD for how he handled a companion’s “death”
What the fuck?
Nilso Who would make RTD's era look as het as a Michael Bay movie
>hackneyed political messages
the mccoy era commited itself to destroying margaret thatcher. i will one-up their reddit dreams and commit myself to destroying capitalism altogether through doctor who. it can be done.
Moff killed two companions, RTD didn't kill any.
Ahh, that makes sense. Yep, that sounds like me.
> female main character's lament, her steadfast nature and headstrong decision-making etc
I think I might instead have the main character I emotionally follow not be the Doctor, who I usually prefer to be more "mercurial." But the rest is correct.
>medieval magic episode and a dystopian surrealism episode
That definitely sounds like me.
Who are you?
It will be Wiles-era kino, as made by a communist who has never actually seen the Wiles era besides plot summaries.
If by killed you mean they died of natural causes in their old age. The same way RTD’s companions died. And Clara and Bill got to live longer lives than any of RTDs companion, even after their so called deaths.
I'm not talking about Bill, and Clara didn't die of natural causes. She died in FTR.
I suppose maybe The X-Files s1?
(basically I'm almost making Doctor Who a police procedural, with a 'tough' Doctor and a heavy focus on the human condition/moral ambiguity)
Top kino. This is what S11 should be.
And then got to live for an eternity with her epic space lesbian before deciding she had had enough of life and going back to die. That’s more fulfilling than what Donna or Martha will get
i want my era to deal with the contrast between the companions' domestic lives and their lives with the doctor. like when danny died in dark water - i loved that because he wasn't killed by an alien or a monster. just a human driving the car. and then the consequences of that action were explored in a sci fi way.
She didn't get to live for an eternity. She lived for a finite amount of years, then died on Trap Street.
Blackpill: just remove the sci fi shit entirely.
A raven counts as a natural cause, I suppose.
I don't like making Who a procedural, but i might watch this take.
But Missy was driving that car.
Just like River didn't get to live for eternity, right Neo?
She had the exact same ending as every other new Who companion. They leave with their lives and will die in the future. Clara and Bill just get to live for a lot longer than the others
kek well that certainly would be rad
I hate the "every companion has to die!" meme. If every companion died it would lose its impact.
I have never used the term hamartia in my life.
Just like TLJ subverted everyone's expectations by ending the movie with the conflict just like in "Empire Strikes Back!"
Everyone dies in the end.
Bill isn't the other Moff companion that died, Bill unarguably had the kind of non-death ending you're talking about. What I don't think you're giving fair due is the fact we literally saw Clara die. Yes, every companion will die eventually, but we don't see Rose or Martha or Donna die. We see Clara die. Ergo, she is a companion who died.
I don’t want the companions to die, I want them to stop pretending the companions have died for forced emotional responses. The ending of Angels in Manhattan is meant to be sad, Amy and Rory are dead now. Except that they’ve just gone to be happy with each other for decades, the same as the end of Husbands of River Song which portrayed it correctly
You 100% know you're the kind of fuck who would though :^) It's why we love you
Doesn't the magic space puddle kill you and make a copy of your consciousness?
That's the glass puddle, not the space puddle.
Give me a moment to get it up
I thought you liked TLJ
having a male doctor and companion travel alone for a series would be great and unironically a great opportunity to explore masculinity. does the doctor need a feminine perspective to keep him in line? this gives me ideas for a 12/nardie story in shit trips 3
>The ending of Angels in Manhattan is meant to be sad, Amy and Rory are dead now. Except that they’ve just gone to be happy with each other for decades
The moment Amy """dies""" we see her gravestone with the words "his loving wife Amelia Williams aged like 82". We're flat out told it's a relatively happy ending for them. The tragedy in that episode is manifestly not that they've died but that they've left the Doctor behind, lived full lives, and succumbed to permanence, so the Doctor is the one suffering the most.
That would have impact if the main part of this show is time travel. Everybody is simultaneously alive and dead so it doesn’t actually matter. We see Clara’s end point, like we see River’s end point. But you won’t say that River is dead during series 5 and 6 because we saw her death in series 4
>does the doctor need a feminine perspective to keep him in line?
very unlike cats to endorse gender stereotypes
Neo-nazi to immigrant: "as socially skilled as ever"
More at 6
Redpil: the ending in The God Complex actually had proper weight and finality to it since it was so grounded in emotional realities people can relate to, but TATM is an incoherent sci-fi warped life and death ending that, as you say, barely works as a "death".
Imagine if TUAT had actually dealt with 1 and 12 considering that feminine perspective explicitly.
But I would say that River is a companion who died, because we saw her death.
I didn't even know what it meant until I googled it 5 minutes ago (although I noticed it probably shared etymological roots with 'martyr'). I would be far more likely to just say "tragic flaw".
Morphant. I'm gonna use the Magician's 12 flag.
I quite agree, and I had expectations when the "Bradders as a police officer" rumours were floating that that's would it would be. I don't expect so at all now, sadly. One day.
This take is hot as fuck and I love it.
I never used to like the idea of making Who a police procedural, but it just works - especially in the age of TV we're currently in. Look at s1 of NuWho and picture Eccleston as a pseudo-detective. In fact, just picture the 'let's do it' scene from The Parting of the Ways where the Doctor, Jack and Lynda escape from the holding cells. Kino. That'd be my Doctor Who.
>implying it wasn't 12 who ran over Danny
I can almost guarantee that was done as a result of the expectation that every single companion has to have an emotionally devastating ending to be fulfilling, and arguably Rose's departure set that precedent. Had she left in the way Martha had, we would likely have happier endings. Rose's """ending""" unfortunately gave an entire audience generation the idea that the next companion departure has to one-up the last in order to have emotional impact.
Yeah yeah yeah. You don't have to make excuses m8.
S11 as a police procedural works so well that I'm gnashing my teeth over getting a series full of historicals which I'd be celebrating otherwise
I want the polar extremes
either the companion decides to leave on their own accord because they've had enough or found something better, or they straight up fucking die and it's played straight
bill was so close to kino but the magic space puddle ruined it
I haven't seen it, but I'm sure I'll like it. I was just teasing Neo for liking something that he disliked Rian Johnson for doing, really.
It's weird. I think a "feminine perspective" exists, but I don't think all woman have it, and some men do, and trying to say 12 has a "masculine perspective" boxes him in. (Trying to give One a "masculine perspective" is arguably what caused TUAT's One characterization to be so wrong.) Also, I'd argue Nardole's role, especially in Doctor Mysterio, is already a "feminine perspective."
I like the police procedural idea in the radical spirit of changing Doctor Who but hate it in that police procedurals—really, anything with "procedural" as a suffix—are shit. I'm not crazy about applying an even more rigid formula to each episode as a way to galvanise creativity.
Amy and Rory are dead weight after The God Complex. Rita should have been the stand-in companion until Clara came along and she should have died at the end of 7a.
>tfw no historical procedurals
DOCTOR WHO DOES COLD CASE WHEN?
Despite what Ingiga says, my headcanon of "Bill legit died, and the Heather stuff was just a dying hallucination" is woke. She deserved a strong ending like that, not something saccharine and derivative. No, I don't have an explanation for how 12 got back to the TARDIS without Heather doing it, but I'm sure someone will think of something eventually.
Interesting take, previously I'd preferred the idea of S7 having River as a full companion and cycling through Clara splinters but I like your idea a lot.
Addendum to this, if anyone can point me to a procedural that isn't shit I'll gladly check it out and possibly eat my words
not in the mood desu
>She deserved a strong ending like that, not something saccharine and derivative
"She died because the Doctor didn't come in time,even though she WAITED for HIM. Also she gets taken out in the Doctor's suicide blast" is the most derivative thing ever in a Moffat context. By contrast, copying Clara's ending is at least derivative of something nice.
why it did keep the embed?
reminder that The Feast of Steven was almost a crossover with police procedural Z Cars
I think police procedural's are so generically common, that making Who a procedural just adds yet another one.
Also, your take on my version of Who fits oddly well with the Cadence Doctor stories you're about to read.
I agree with this.
What do you define as a procedural?
Implying someone who owns the individual facets of their identity as stridently as Bill dying as a Cyberman isn't kino, and vastly more in-line with what the episode was doing with 12 than her somewhat becoming a magic puddle is.
My use of the term 'police procedural' is less about saying how I'd make every episode a detective-catches-villain story and stick to that "rigid formula", and more about categorising the general idea so that I don't have to go into the way I'd tell each individual story. Make no mistake, my Doctor Who would still be Doctor Who and there would still be off-world adventures where the Doctor isn't a crime-fighting Ray Winstone (sorry Neo), but it'd certainly revolve around the idea of crime and the moral questions that come with that. I'll go more in-depth at some point if people are interested.
>"Bill legit died, and the Heather stuff was just a dying hallucination"
I actually assumed this was the intent when I watched the episode desu.
The Doctor making his way back to the TARDIS doesn't have to be an answered question. Can be a nice little "did it happen or didn't it?" like the Doctor's questioning of "I never get a second chance, so what happened this time?" and the pan down to the tangerine implying Father Christmas exists after all.
See my reply to >>50312
>your take on my version of Who fits oddly well with the Cadence Doctor stories
I know you so well, GI.
>implying that letting the girl who wanted to experience life and love finally getting the chance to experience life with a lover, on her own terms, isn't the kino-ending, instead of being an accessory to 12's self-actualization
The TARDIS just materialised around the Doctor and that’s how he got there. Regeneration is linked to the TARDIS so it would have been able to move by itself because he was so close to regenerating. That or Lolita did it before taking Simm or Missy away
>I know you so well, GI.
And here I thought I was going in new directions. From where did you get the ideas about what my version of Who would look like? How can you tell?
>Implying someone who owns the individual facets of their identity as stridently as Bill dying as a Cyberman isn't kino,
But that's precisely the reason she survives. Because she can still summon the emotion to grieve, even as a Cyberman. Her link to Heather is based in emotional expression ("where there's tears there's hope").
I assumed it was what the episode was going for on first watch as well, and was very pleased with it.
This does the job.
Male Doctor, female alien companion, male humanoid-android companion. Maybe a cat.
>Regeneration is linked to the TARDIS so it would have been able to move by itself because he was so close to regenerating.
If this was possible the last 10 minutes of Caves of Androzani would become totally reundant
Giving her an ending so similar to Clara's dulls her unique nature and what her embracing of that means. I don't care about what the plot mechanics of her emotions did, I care that Moff used them to drag her into a non-ending that filed off the teeth of both her and 12's endings in that episode.
What'd you use to make that?
The TARDIS let Davison come to it instead of going to him because he had the strength to do so. Capaldi was just lying in a ditch
The fact that TUAT had bill as a glass memory replica shows that she did in fact die at some point
Everyone dies at some point.
The impression of darkly lit direction comes from a show you like that you've spoken about before, and honestly I was gonna reference that instead of Sense8 but couldn't (and still can't) remember what it was. The medieval/surreal story thing comes from your scripts. I think largely, though, it probably comes from the sort of person you are. I can't really explain why, I just know what sort of things you like and that links into the sort of thing you'd do with the show. I imagine you could have pretty much nailed the sort of show I'd make, had I asked you, as could Neo, simply based on the way I am and the things I've told you both that I like/dislike.
My OC Doctor has "female Doctor, alien animaloid male companion, humanoid alien female companion"
Everyone is dead to a time traveller. The glass thing was collecting information on humans so it might have decided oil Bill was no longer a human and so she ‘died’ when she was turned into a oil
So you're saying you support of a furry companion?
>What do you define as a procedural?
A show where each episode involves application of a procedure—generally that of a profession—to resolve a conflict. See NCIS or Law and Order (thanks Chibs). That's my understanding of the term anyway, and Google seems to corroborate that. So I wouldn't consider something like Broadchurch a procedural just because you follow someone doing a job—each episode is a slice of a larger pie. So I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with Doctor Who fitting into a shape like that I guess. There is something funny about the idea of Chibnall Who being literally Broadchurch in Space though, and I'd probably liberally make fun of him if he actually did it.
In that case I'd say X-Files and perhaps Homicide as good ones then.
And inb4 people say X-Files isn't a procedural because of the mytharc - they are the vast, vast minority of episodes and thus constitute an abberation, not the norm. The show is a procedural with a very occasional non-procedural episode.
It's more a flying talking mouse-bat thing.
Ahh, the scripts. Makes sense. That's interesting, that you could guess so well what I'd like.
X-Files is topfuckingkino, I need to watch it again.
What would giga who be like
X-Files is a good one, yeah. I feel like we've kind of already seen "Doctor Who as X-Files", though. And it was long before X-Files premiered.
Great atmosphere in the early seasons before the move too.
I've been watching X-Files marathon on BBCA, and can confirm that it's a lot of one-off eps.
>Everyone is dead to a time traveller.
I quite often find myself thinking about Moff's interview with Christel where he says something along the lines of "Sometimes he loves it, because he knows he's about to have tea with Churchill in 1945, and some nights he strums his guitar alone in the TARDIS going 'everyone's dead…'."
>Broadchurch in Space
Unironically love the sound of that.
I don't know Ingiga quite so well, but I'd hazard a guess that it'd be very surreal and very Twin Peaks-esque. I'd like to have a go at yours, though, if you don't mind?
I'd love to hear it
How much of Obverse is worth reading?
This summons the N8.
God Panama just got completely fucking memed on and it's not even half time. Everyone's going to be pissed by 2pm
>Giving her an ending so similar to Clara's dulls her unique nature
Only perceivable in a meta context and thus irrelevant, especially with S10 being designed as a jumping on point…oh wait weren't you the one rabbiting on about how thematically interesting it was that S10 kept evoking the past? :^)
>I don't care about what the plot mechanics of her emotions did
That's called "theme", and you can't claim you want Bill's storyline to reflect her identity if you reject it explicitly drawing on the emotional bond she formed with Heather that instigated her tenure in the TARDIS.
>a non-ending that filed off the teeth of both her and 12's endings in that episode.
A companion perma-dying is exactly what the fans want because it satisfies their cynical instinct for Doctor Who to provide a (faux-)emotionally brutal account of real life, typically at the expense of female characters and for the sake of the Doctor's personal arc (e.g. your insistence that 12's ending is harmed by Bill surviving, even with him totally oblivious to the fact; the unsettling notion that causality itself should gravitate around re-emphasising how miserable the Doctor's life is). The entire system of values behind this is concealing a myriad of unexamined problems.
In contrast, repeating Clara's ending and having the companion joyfully set out on a new, untethered, feminine iteration of Doctor Who reaffirms that the Doctor is not the be-all and end-all of life or even the show; that his personal downward spiral need not drag all other characters down with it as the fans insist it must, and is positively radical. One companion flying off to see the universe could be a fluke. Two in a row is a tradition.
I support all this right here. Sometimes not doing the "brutal reality" thing is the more daring choice.
You'd want to change the nature of the show quite drastically, and I think that drastic change would come more in the character of the Doctor than the type of show you'd produce.
Based on what you've compared your Who to - "Twin Peaks S3, the last two seasons of the X-Files, Arrow, NewWho S2" - I'd say it'd follow a monster-of-the-week format, but not in the trad sense. Each story would 'play it safe' in that it'd be standard Doctor-stops-the-bad-guy stuff, but I think it'd probably be quite psychological and probably involve a lot of dream-based episodes. There'd be some kind of overarching plot and it'd involve the nature of the Doctor (sort of like Cartmel).
I have two ideas about what you'd do with Tennant: a) Have the Doctor regenerate into a body that looks exactly like his tenth incarnation, but with a completely different attitude, or b) Involve his Meta-Crisis version as some kind of Valeyard character. I'm leaning more heavily towards it being the Meta-Crisis idea, which is where the Twin Peaks style of surrealism would come in - "audience hostility" and all that.
Surrealist shots. Parallel universe stuff, maybe. I've never seen Arrow, so I can't say what you meant by that.
I'm not quite as happy with that analysis as I was with Immigrant's.
if I showran DW it would be a completely unrelated standalone adventures giving the wtiters almost complete freedom
I meant the last two seasons of X-Files, and Arrow, because they are filled with painful, cloying amounts of fanservice, which is the sort of thing I'd be interested in playing with.
That meta context is the viewers watching the show, which is all the context there is. She is a less unique companion for having an ending so superficially similar to the last one's.
I can claim, even "rabbit" what I want, and claiming otherwise says more about your arguments than mine.
I'm not interested in clarifying my views if they're to be met with loaded amateur psychoanalysis like you're throwing out, and I think your points would be a lot stronger if they dropped the snark.
I love these screengrabs. Keep it up
Oh, if you knew the ones I had stored away for a rainy day…
Morphemoids for me, then
Deterrence theory, you understand ;) MAD and all that.
Mutually assured Nilsos gay
You'd better not be collecting stuff on me. I have nothing on you.
What is it about Neo that draws you all to this place?
He's secure in his femininity, unlike me
Doctor Who stories about false assumptions?
I want Doctor Who similar to this
I want Doctor Who similar to this
People avoid it because it's such a generic topic, but I never see it spoken about here. What's your favourite Doctor Who story, /who/? (If it's Heaven Sent, what's your second favourite?)
Peri and the Piscon Paradox
It's so much easier to list 5 (or 10), but at gunpoint, and not saying Heaven Sent, I'd probably say Jubilee.
Pitch an already existing Doctor Who story to me.
We kill off the Doctor, for good. Multiple times.
Which one is that?
The one people like to pretend the Doctor didn't die in.
A Death in the Family?
The Keys of Marinus.
When does he die in that episode?
When he uses the travel dial.
That’s not a death teleport. The bracelets used to teleport ( vortex manipulator, time ring, etc) drag them to their destination. It’s Heaven Sent and Seeds of Death where there’s a box that kills them and a printer on the other side makes a clone.
There's a little girl who we'll imply got abused by her dad before she died. A space jellyfish flew into her room one night and ever since she's had the power to absorb anyone and anything from the third dimension into her two dimensional drawings. Oh, and the Doctor lights the Olympic flame, for some reason.
Damn, good point, though I'm still a bit sceptical dragging someone's atoms across galaxies and putting them back together would preserve consciousness.
That could be the reason Tennant seems so against them in series 3
Headcanon officially absorbed
NIGHT BOAT TO NILSO
what are you listening to, /who/?
When was that again?
He describes vortex manipulators as being nasty at the beginning of the Sound of Drums
NBTC is a top tune
That's just him being snobby because he's used to a TARDIS.
“Time travel without a capsule. That’s a killer.”
Sometimes a certain poster here is nasty.
Nilso hates Israel for the wrong reason
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To the center of the city where all roads meet, waiting for Nilso,
To the depths of the ocean where all hopes sank, searching for Nilso,
I was moving through the silence without motion, waiting for Nilso,
In a room with a window in the corner I found truth
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Fucking excellent track off a GOAT album. Here's a theme for Jodie reading Chibnall's scripts:
Cheap and nasty time travel.
You hate Israel because you hate Jews, real ones hate Israel in support of Palestine
I don't get the impression from lines like that that vortex manipulators kill you, but I also suspect Time Lords don't regard disassembling atoms as death because with the concept of regeneration and all they're probably not that into the whole idea of permanence of consciousness being the be and end all of identity.
Neo, sometimes I think you and I are the same person. Except one of us is infinitely more ravishing.
Maybe one day we'll get to using that word as a verb instead of an adjective.
RTD/Moff/Chibnall eras be like
All shit? Yeah I can agree to that
Any other /who/res think they have a nice arse? Let's compare notes
God I hate seeing people call Time Lords "Timelords"
Okay, why do you think it's nice?
Lust, pride and sloath. Words to live by.
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This video unironically reminds me heavily of a certain dynamic on /who/.
What does that have to do with it?
It's shapely and full, like Nilso's fertile mind.
I didn't realise how shit the Thing looked in 2005
Your attention grabbing shitposts?
What's the Doctor Who equivalent of Christopher Eccleston pulling the same expression in every Netflix still?
As a Classic Fanboy, this hurts to read.
I believe its mentioned in the modern series IN the Doctor's Daughter as well.
As a Giga fanboy, this hurts to read
It hurts for every Doctor Who fan to read, you aren't special.
Someone needs to watch some Classic Who.
>We just don't know who the parent of Susan is and probably never will
Amazing, most people who push "MUH LOOMS" shit haven't even read Lungbarrow.
well /who/? are you doing your part?
"just"?? That episode is 5 years old :/
Like others said, Watch the very first story of Doctor who (from 1963)
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Trump's just been defeated. I can't believe it. It's over guys.
Why would she swipe left instead of swiping right and raping them?
I get this can be a bit shocking for nuWho fans first they hear of it. But I'm surprised it took till Rings of Akhaten to react to it when the 10th Doctor tells Donna he's been a father before in The Doctor's Daughter and it's heavily implied after Melody is born that the Doctor had kids before when Amy notices his dad skills and he avoids answering her asking if he's ever had kids.
nilsos ben garrisons #1 fan
…of being a deadbeat dad?
It's mentioned in Fear Her and The Empty Child too
I believe he does have an aunt, he's forever talking about how giddy she is, we just don't know her name.
This is kinda funny cause, unless I'm mistaken, his granddaughter is his only family member that we definitely do know about in the show. She was his first companion back in the classic series.
Sometimes, I forget there are people that have zero knowledge of Classic Who. . .
Yes, the Doctor has a granddaughter, Susan. She left Gallifrey with him and was his very first companion.
Your balls will be empty of children if you try to correct me again.
Doctor Who episodes about mediocrity?
Are you coming on to him?
The /who/res I come onto know for sure when I do.
There's a difference between 'coming on to' and 'coming onto' someone, Neo
I don't have enough other TV shows to compare it to (fucking wish they existed though), so here's an overview instead.
<Collision of earthy mysticism with technology. Futuristic labs and crumbling gothic churches in the same episode. Should feel like sci-fi as written by witches
<More abstract horror than lumbering monsters. Less is more, save money
<More interested in trauma and healing than in death.
<Bizarre and unforgettable images/juxtapositions are more important than sensible ones
<Fenric-style synthesis of the personal, philosophical, mythological and political, as often as possible.
<Presumably it has to stay fairly Anglocentric due to the budget, so make up for it through frequent questioning of the current British establishment (whether metaphorical or literal).
<Humour and camp are used as weapons rather than distractions.
<Monsters usually turn out at least understandable if not always sympathetic; fear and perception are the greater threats
<The Doctor and companion alternate between being mythic forces of nature and driving the plot with their psychological issues
<Stories tend to revolve around broken societies/ideas/processes rather than lone-wolf ranting villains. Emphasis on the working class.
<Resolutions that feel elemental, like updated fables, even while being emotionally nuanced.
NuWho reference point: S9, particularly The Witch's Familiar and The Girl Who Died
Well? Aren't you going to send me the link?
Doctor Who fans are the worst. This person is asking a question about the show’s lore and they’re telling her off for not having seen every episode of a 50+ year show. She’s probably trying to get into the show because of Jodie and some Moffag has told her to start at series 5 because series 1 is “too dated” and now she’s getting snarked at by nerds. If she continues with the show, I’ll be impressed but seeing what doctor Who fans are like would put me off if I were just getting into the show.
you can tell by the filename
honestly doing her a favor to save her from seeing the trainwreck that is going to be chris chibnalls 'run' (more like a hobble LOL)
Okay that clearly isn't about me though.
There's literally no excuse to not watch everything. Apart from The Space Pirates.
Done. And so begins a quest to find the referenced post.
Sounds GOAT. Would I be, dare I say it, Lovecraftian?
I suspect it might be a troll based off treating Akhaten like an episode that just aired, but yeah, the snide attitude is unbecoming.
The circumstances which birthed the events that led to the post are mired in your power move/s.
Poor lawfags don’t have that privilege, sweaty
heres an excuse, doctor who is shit and not worth your time or the film its printed on
What's the DWE for forgetting the link to something there is no possibly way to ask for again in a dignified way
Do you mean the stream? I velieve the equivalent is the Doctor forgetting about Gemma and Samson
>I suspect it might be a troll based off treating Akhaten like an episode that just aired
I don't agree, they could easily just be binging the show and posted their immediate reaction to reddit.
>If you rounded up a hundred Doctor Who fans and asked them who either of those were, only a couple at most would recognize those names.
Don't really see the relevance of that. If you rounded up a hundred Doctor Who fans in 2005, I doubt more than a couple at most would know who Lawrence Miles is. In that light, though, I feel safe in saying that MNP never had names even approaching the levels of Dale Smith and George Mann.
>I like him, but how exactly is Simon Bucher-Jones a big name author? I haven't heard anybody mention Taking of Planet 5 or Grimm Reality in years.
That's fair; I was just counting him because he's a big deal within Faction Paradox. You're missing out on some great discourse, though, since the Tumblr Discords in particular have had some great discussions about ToP5 and The Death of Art lately.
opinions on being called daddy?
No, it's something I could never ask for again and I'm astonished I didn't bookmark. At least I retain the impressions it gave me.
I couldn't care less. Go for it.
>it's something I could never ask for again
Just do it.
I can't. He'll think so much less of me.
Just came so close to posting my name and email address because I'm too trigger happy
Something swimming in the individual quirks of someone.
Just send it to me on CC
Autofill? Kinda gave us his secondary email address because of that.
The email bar being so close to the 'new reply' box meant I could easily press email, confirm an autofill and very nearly hit post just because I kept clicking
The point is I don't have it anymore. I've nothing to send. I encourage you to check CC though for a recent revelation.
>individual quirks of someone.
the gig or the nil
I've turned off autofill, kek
I mean send me a description of what it was you lost, I might be able to help you look for it.
i did it once accidentally for the same reason, 8chan a shit
There are other posters I have a particular fondness for, beyond my general feeling on fondness for everyone here.
😟Oh you really don't know what I mean do you
How would you react if you did that?
Are you a gamer, N8?
Did you post your full name too? Mine was my primary email address and my full name
why is this faggy thread the fastest thread on the site right now?
8chan is dead. Long live /who/.
You know what, I don't think I'd have all that much to worry about. I'd shit myself and very quickly delete my post, but at the very most all I can really imagine happening is I'd get a few nilsoposts in my inbox.
the feline, the other feline or the lym
no thank fuck, just one of my throwaway emails that got made automatically by google. it even showed my full name in the preview for the autofill too so i was shitting it.
that being said /doctorwho/ is secluded enough that i feel the worst that could happen is memes being made about someone if they ever got fully doxed
at least we have a containment board for this
u are very gay nilso
>the other feline
cheetah is the other
> i feel the worst that could happen is memes being made about someone if they ever got fully doxed
IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY TODAY
God you are ignorant. If the board didn't exist we wouldn't even be on this shithole.
No - if the board didn't exist, we would quite literally need to create it, like we did back in 2014
The beauty of being on /doctorwho/ now is that I don't think it'd go too far. We're secluded, there's only a few of us in right now, and I don't think there are too many malicious people here, if any. And based Cloi would prevent any sign of doxxing, nameposting, etc.
I've come pretty close to being doxxed on /who/ once or twice.
t. Neo with his trip off
Your responses tell me I do hide some feelings rather well.
I've wondered what would happen if I was doxxed before, especially since it came harrowingly close to being a reality earlier this year (I can't thank N8 enough for his help there). I think the world of /who/ and obviously dearly enjoy the company of people here but one worries. I don't think anyone on here would have enough malice towards me to do anything I'd be seriously concerned by, but I'm wrong all the time. I'd be fine with getting endless shit for some quirk of myself irl (I remember that bizarre claim my hands were really big or something?) but it's very easy to tip over into life-affecting maliciousness when someone is doxxed one way or another, and it's not like the cat can be put back in the bag in all but the most rare cases.
Nope, jannies can confirm, but probably shouldn't cause of the precedent it'd set.
This is an incredibly understated benefit of our being here.
who the fuck keeps a photo of themselves in a screenshot and doesnt realize it?
Take the blackpill and realise that it was most likely intentional.
what a fuckin tool
>it came harrowingly close to being a reality earlier this year (I can't thank N8 enough for his help there)
Would it still be too dangerous/private to share that experience?
Everyone knows about it. It was like being gagged.
I don't know about it, but is that a Cheetah reference?
stop sending me these cursed links now
N8 was a hero, that's what matters. The possibility of doxxing me was entertained publicly by an entity with the ability to do so.
Nilsos gagging Cheetah and bringing out the 7 foot dildo. It's gonna go in his ass and come out his mouth making him one giant dick kebab
But I just found one that's amusingly similar to your views.
Well I used to stand for something
But forgot what that could be
There's a lot of me inside you
Maybe you're afraid to see
Well I used to stand for something
Now I'm on my hands and knees
Traded in my god for this one
And he signs his name with a capital G
I will stop sending them now but I have found one I can guarantee you have vested interest in - this will be my last.
Anyone seen Gaiman's American Gods? How is it?
Fucking fantastic, god, there's so much to it I could go into. It is extremely good.
The thought of Moffat forcing him to use child actors and cybermen to sabotage his episode after the Doctors Wife was so widely liked makes me chuckle
I let you put it in my mouth
I let it get under my skin
I let you pump it through my veins
I let you take me from within
Gaiman's original idea for The Last Cyberman is actually pretty damn good, it would make a killer novelisation.
Care to share what it is?
I will after you post literally any picture you like in response to this post.
I’m not anyone you might think I am
Wtf? Is this real?
>I later discovered the young lad threw a fit and kicked Steven in the bollocks. I had my Mars bars so it was worth it.
No idea what you mean sorry.
Gaiman has long been an extraordinarily busy man, but The Doctor's Wife was so well-received and everyone (including himself) was so happy with the result that Moffat was eventually able to persuade him to write another episode when he pitched him (consider that - this is the SHOWRUNNER pitching a WRITER an episode, instead of the other way around) the opportunity to reinvent the Cyberman how he'd like.
Gaiman jumped at the chance, and wanted to bring a real sense of horror back to the Cybermen while also rooting them in specific technological realities of modern times (not the clunky bluetooth shit of Cybusmen which barely ties into anything). He had many various other ideas he wanted to work into the episode, lots of aesthetic stuff, the turk, iterating the Cyber Planner, lots of stuff. This was all based around Beryl you understand, since this was before the change to Clara.
The really interesting thing to types like us though, is that Gaiman wanted to in-universe combine the Cybusmen and the Telos Cybermen. He wanted this to retroactively explain post RTD Cybermen in NewWho. Cyber Wars ideas. So many unused ideas. All the constant changes from Moff/BBC, Moff being so hands off and Gaiman having to in a sense 'showrun' the episode himself, the shocking production of the ep itself, the script getting lost, so many issues led to the ep being the shit we ended up getting, but there was some great stuff in there at first.
Any respect I had for Gaiman is gone now, I’ll tell you that much. This is just childish behavior
I thought you wanted to identify me by whatever picture I posted
tfw you really want to show someone something but they don't want to see it
I wonder whether Gaiman is truly this deeply into Who, or whether he read up on the Cybermen on TARDIS Wiki
He's been a big fan since the 60s.
He actually looks like he could BE the Doctor. I've never really thought about him beyond his two episodes, if I'm honest
The Silver Turk was a Briggs Finish story that he’s blatantly ripping off from a wiki. Telos Cybermen is a thing people started saying in 2006 when there were new cybermen not from Telos
…the Turk as a concept is what The Silver Turk was based on. BF didn't make up real history.
And literally what I pointed out he was going to do was reconcile Cybus and Telos Cybermen, because it was post 2006 and he was interested in finding a way to collapse them together.
But the concept of a Cyberman being the Turk is ripped off from BF.
It's hardly so novel an idea that Platt and Gaiman couldn't have come to it independently, and a Cyberman turk in a dilapidated amusement park reeks of Gaiman.
Are there any released plans for McGann to meet the Jacobi Master?
The fact BF got to it first doesn't mean Gaiman has to have known that. It's a pretty basic idea that you could arrive at independently
They'd better use the original Drashig noise.
Watching all the insects march along
Seem to know just right where they belong
Smears a face reflecting in the chrome
Hiding in the crowd, I'm all alone
No one's heard a single word I've said
They don't sound this good outside my head
It looks as though the past is here to stay
I've become a million miles away
Why do you get all the love in the world?
Why do you get all the love in the world?
Is this an original Tom companion?
Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you want to change it?
Sitting on a park bench
Eyeing little girls with bad intent
Snots running down his nose
Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes, hey, Aqualung
Original companion do not steal
Wouldnt that ruin the whole "Doctor doesn't know who Yana is in Utopia" thing
Does Briggs give a fuck?
Anyone up for The Tenth Planet on in ten minutes (or later)
Yes, if we do the animation for ep4.
Yep, that was the plan anyway
>mrw hartnell in the stream
What’s the thought process for people who can’t watch black and white television?
theere isnt one :^))
omg omg omg claudias birthday and she has an hour video uploaded an hour ago
Claudia's half older than me now in one way
Reminder that 1 and 2 were color blind
I can stick Tenth Planet on in roughly 7 minutes. Anyone want us to wait?
This doesn't explain why Mission To The Unknown was in black and white.
DWE for bingeing someone's entire blog
Very good. One of the rare adaptations that holds up to the book without being 100% faithful.
Doctor was viewing it on his dvd player later
I'm the ccs…but not the one you were expecting
Or the black and white Pertwee episodes. There must be some instances of Hartnell and Troughton describing what colour something is that’ll expose Moffat for making easy unresearched jokes
It was on the Space/Time Visualiser
Tenth Planet soon. The Death of Doctor Who.
State your name, rank and intention.
Did you actually do the spoof communication thing with me yesterday?
because i can
streamlurker, lurker, fun
no, i think that was a different lurker
Why just watch, you've got to realise I'd be happy to talk with you
Do you frequently post here?
I've posted on 4chan but never here
I'm sorry I didn't see you in the stream, I must've missed you
Don't think I did that shit intentionally just to diss you
But what's this shit you said about you like to be anonymous too?
I say that shit just clownin' dog, come on, how fucked up is you?
Doesn't it feel weird for me to just talk at you? You could queue whatever you wanted and I'd watch it.
Tbf I have logged on a couple of times, only briefly. But I just have some extraordinary anxiety about internet communications specifically.
Did we talk one of those times? And yeah that's cool, forgive me if I'm pressing you about it, I'm just curious.
Don't worry about it mate, I won't judge in the least. Do what you want to do.
The ones I never get
I don't think you were on, no.
Well you've got me on now, if you know what I mean.
Opinon on looms? Are they canon
Looms are objectively canon.
Should Mondasian be pronounced mondassian or mond-asian?
I have a nasty habit of saying mond doe zee uhn
>Not posting the superior nilsgets
Hey, I found another one of those conservative Doctor Who fans
That's going in my nilso collection.
Cloi can you delete >>50645
the pics are in the wrong order and it says I don't have the password to delete it myself
What's the best way to dump images and keep them in order
I had them lined up in the show options thing here
Stick them in a doc and post the link.
They were out of order? The filenames read tws1, 2, 3, 4, 5.jpg in that order.
Deleted and Idk, never have had to dump in sequence before.
a document, google docs or something
wtf it displays the opposite order for me
wtf I hate 8chan now
Does anyone have the pic of that tumblr post that says "I'm not watching classic Who because the BBC burned more than half of the episodes and I refuse to watch something that has episodes missing"
In what order are you seeing these Doctors?
The World Shapers
Uploaded it to imgur, it's in order! One of the best Cybermen stories ever!
AHGRHGR ITS NOT IN ORDER ANTYMORE WTF
Try uploading just one and then add the rest to the album in order
Okay, this is FUBAR
dunna da dun
dunna da dun
dunna da dun
da da dun
dunna da dun
dunna da dun
dunna da dun
doo wee OOOO (dunna da dun, dunna da dun)
OOOO Ooooo OOO oo OOOOOO
(dunna da dun, da da dun, dunna da dun)
DOO WEE OOOOO
(dunna da dunna da dun)
OOO EEEE OOooooOOO
(dunna da dun da dun)
DOO WEE OOO.. OOOO O OOOO, O O OOOOOOOO, O OOOOOOOO DUNNA DA DUN (bang)
Fuck U (clever) Boy And Rememeber
why do you think the "clever" is in brackets?
you called it, im 7th dr flag nao
Are just fucking with us now? it's fine, in order
Why were the Doctor Who Magazine comics in 1987 better than the show itself?
That last panel is so stupid. I get it's explaining it to the audience, but why do the Time Lords have to explain it in such detail to each other? They both clearly know
Because it's the nature of Time Lords to find meaning in vocalising the passage of time; it's the same reason 12 has such a reaction in his speech on the beach in Kill the Moon. It's intensely satisfying to them.
If the only thing that doesn't change after the Doctor regenerates is their memories, could they theoretically regenerate into a snivelling mess with absolutely no confidence (like the Broadbent Doctor from The Curse of Fatal Death)?
WEAT/TDF starting in stream in 25 minutes! Be there or be square
"Words are his weapons"
"When did they stop being ours?"
imagine actually believing this
Cheetah, WEaT is about to start
>mrw someone asks if moffat is a good writer
Remind Moff confirmed that the Doctor had a crush on the Master in the Academy
any Who art like this but without 10/rose?
It said "without".
Half the vnas dont make any sense unless theyre butt up against their own internal logic and drivel. "Oh, look how depressing this is!!!! Isn't it great fucking literature? We can say fucking now; and tell 7 book long arcs about how the seventh doctor treats everything in the universe as expendable and be so mature by trying way too hard to mind fuck you. What's that? You want a comfy tardis scene? Well enjoy it when we write it because 3 books later we'll have given it a new context when you realize it was the doctor thinking about retconning your penis out of the time line by chopping it off your body 20 years ago."
Hot take: fuck the vnas. When the bbc got the book rights back and managed to kick john peel out of doctor who prose, the quality of doctor who novels was untouchable.
What would be your opinion on the TV show titles actually saying the cast names out loud like Briggs Finish? So over the top of the theme it would say "Peter Capaldi, Jenna Coleman, Doctor Who, Into the Dalek"
It would be absolutely dreadful
Not that you did this but I personally think that it's a silly thing to imply that once 7 has a tonal shift he's 100% serious 100% of the time. There's quite a few moments through the last series where McCoy relies on his personal comedic background.
There is literally nothing wrong with John Peel.
There was something I said a few threads ago about disliking something and an anon kept mimicking how I said it, it was something like "not a fan of that" or "don't like that". Anon who did that, are you around? What was the exact phrase?
yfw matt smith plays the curator in the 100th?
yfw eccleston plays the curator in the 100th?
Has anyone stopped to consider that the Zygons might be related genetically to the Nostrovites from Torchwood?
Imagine if the fucking resolution to The Doctor Falls was Simm having a heel face turn and deciding to help the Doctor after all, and going full skeleton mode, flying around and zapping all the Cybermen?
yfw no curator in the 100th
Unironicly would be kino seeing simm master help begrudgingly, not as kino as the ending we got tho
Not that anon, but it was "Annoyed about that."
Thanks. That anon hasn't used the line in a while. Annoyed about that.
You seem very convinced that it was just one anon. Annoyed about that.
Was it annoyed about that or annoyed BY that?
It freaks my nut that the two characters in this image are the same two who have the fight at the end of Kill the Moon.
Idk, just anyone at all.
i meant who are nostrovites
They were those shape-shifters who impregnated Gwen. I always liked to think all the shape-shifters were somehow offshoots of a single species, which evolved in accordance to their surroundings. But that's a bit far.
I think there's more than one race of shapeshifters in Doctor Who
I suppose their teeth are similar
I like to imagine nilso loves me back
Nobody tell Miller
Below this post is the next person to play the Doctor.
Even that wont get me to watch Torchwood
On pain of death no one take a selfie
On pain of death no one nilsopost
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Play it cool, Neo, play it cool…
Is this from TARDISposting?
X deserved to die.
I don't even need to check to say yes, of course it bloody is
701 posts. Might want to think about getting that new thread soon
Annoyed about that
I feel like it was annoyed by that
How would /who/ react if David Bradley was cast as the 14th Doctor?
He'll be dead soon, no chance
Nilsos gonna make David Bradleys future a nightmare
Fuck you, Nilso. You're a fucking infant. Fuck off.
I don't spend every minute in the thread. Yes, I fell for Bradley being dead. He hasn't been on TV for months.
Yes, I fell for a joke. Have at me.
Done with /who/ and done with the stream. Only ever used 4chan for /who/. Really had a lot of fun here. But you people are just fucked in the head. Hope you find happiness in life.
What a handsome young chap. Reckon he could play the next Dr Who after Jon Pertwee.
Not a nice thing to say. Annoyed about that.
Pokemon - $59.1B
Star Wars - $42.9B
Hello Kitty - $ 41.1B
Harry Potter - $26.4B
Mario - $26.2B
Batman - $23.8B
MCU - $21.7B
Mickey Mouse - $21.2B
James Bond - $19.9B
Middle Earth - $19.8B
Doctor Who - $…?
Are the Movellans the only classic aliens who have been faithfully recreated in modern Who?
And I always forget about it until someone brings it up
I hope the next regeneration is handsome desu
ice warriors (minus the cgi lizard head)
>implying he wasn't an absolute babe
Someone else supports Ruth Negga for the Doctor?
Whittaker is a very handsome woman probably.
Yeah, Ruth Negga's agent.
>Actually caring about how a Doctor looks
He looks more like George Harrison in that last photo than he did when he actually played George Harrison.
>Hoodie is right about everything, fuck all of you
Which salty anon was this?
Tell me the name of the boy who isn't going to die today!
>If ye don't eat yer meat, you cannae have any pudding! Hae can ye have any pudding if ye don't eat yer meat?!
>The easiest (You)'s I've ever gotten
I never implied that at all, I meant 14
No worries man I was joking, just look at this handsome fella