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File: 4b9559b4b75c86d⋯.gif (730.76 KB, 245x178, 245:178, abstract.gif)

 No.95572

The pool is abstract edition

Previously, on /who/ >>94853

 No.95577

TW stream ongoing, Random Shoes up next.


 No.95578

File: 99d94fc1a06ae0b⋯.jpg (92.02 KB, 719x791, 719:791, 1510322754952.jpg)


 No.95579

File: 130a0de66ddd4a4⋯.png (1.39 MB, 803x896, 803:896, 130a0de66ddd4a449a198f86d3….png)


 No.95581

File: 9bea1fb606e840e⋯.png (162.89 KB, 398x221, 398:221, neo.PNG)

New title sequence leaked, I think it really represents what Chibnall is trying to achieve this season


 No.95582

Pool.


 No.95583

>>95582

abstract?


 No.95584

>>95583

Not real.


 No.95585

>>95583

concept.


 No.95586

File: 93a30b6adaf6017⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 696.04 KB, 925x526, 925:526, totally real.PNG)

Real leak guys. Leak /who/ is back on


 No.95587

are we dead now?


 No.95588

The DWCU

Dr. Who and the Daleks

Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150 A.D.

K9: Timequake

Sil movie


 No.95589

>>95588

based


 No.95590

NOT ONE BIT


 No.95591

It's about time for K9 to become the standalone hero he deserves to be.


 No.95592

>>95591

worse idea than a stand-alone Dalek TV show


 No.95593

>>95591

The last time we saw K9 he was roasting mr smith so now it's about time for K9 to become the standalone hero he deserves to be.


 No.95594

File: 0c0d2ac1ffcf569⋯.jpg (17.08 KB, 649x488, 649:488, 12ec0f798c8e625129359e1008….jpg)

>biggest change in the shows revived history

>literally take NO advantage of the change, dont even tell writers

>people think it's a good thing

what the fuck was the point of having a female doctor for the first time if not to write a female doctor?

obviously the casting wasn't gender blind, jodie was ONLY competing with women so you can't say that they only cast her because she was better than EVERYONE (inc men), so what was the point?

If the doctor is going to react the EXACT SAME WAY to situations regardless of gender, why make the most bold casting choice they EVER have.

All chibnall has done is taken the opportunity to write a genuine female interpretation of the doctor away from a braver writer.


 No.95595

>>95594

t. Neo


 No.95596

When you think about it writers had about 2-3 months to tweak their scripts after the announcement


 No.95597

>>95594

Let's not sugar coat it. It's precisely BECAUSE the change is so big that they're sanding the edges off it. Chibnall is desperate to sell people on a female Doctor by demonstrating to a T that it does not in any way obstruct a generic, featureless version of the show that adheres to what we've all seen before. She's going to be written as a man with tits and it's about time we come to terms with that.


 No.95598

>>95596

Change all mentions of he to she


 No.95599

>>95597

i can't wait for the THOUSANDS of meaningless reddit comparisons to other doctors shes going to get because of this

>13, your 4 is showing!!!! xD!!!!!

>oMG THATS JUST LIKE TENNANT!!!!!!!!!


 No.95600

>>95594

>If the doctor is going to react the EXACT SAME WAY to situations regardless of gender, why make the most bold casting choice they EVER have.

Why would a female Doctor react differently than a male Doctor? It'd have to be based on her biology then, and that doesn't make sense.

>>95596

Agreed. I'm sure that they tweaked how 13 was treated by others in rewrites. But how 13 treated others shouldn't really change. What the hell change should a female Doctor have from a male Doctor?

>>95597

>She's going to be written as a man with tits

I think the nature of being played by a woman will avoid that. Jodie Whittaker, like all Who actors, will add herself to the Doctor's characterization (she already was very involved with 13's costume). She's going to add that "female" reprensentation through her performance.

>>95598

At least with the woman scriptwriters, the difference might be more pronounced.


 No.95601

>>95597

This is why the marketing confuses me so much. Why sand the edges off the episodes but leave the promotion so spiky?


 No.95602

File: e2de387677e83cc⋯.jpg (90.53 KB, 647x412, 647:412, Terileptils.jpg)

File: 605a38ab3368a48⋯.jpg (54.58 KB, 751x579, 751:579, Terileptils (1).jpg)

Genuinely surprised that this monster hasn't been used more in other media since their appearance. There's quite a lot of expansion for them to go through, which is always nice.


 No.95603

File: 2a81e1fdf34b745⋯.jpg (168.93 KB, 699x702, 233:234, h5ARMOt.jpg)

if we had some more footage of 13/Jodie we'd be able to give a more definite guess as to what the character will be like but we're stuck here twiddling our fingers without a single idea as to what we're in for


 No.95604

>>95602

Unironically agree.


 No.95605

File: 379b74bd0bd731d⋯.jpg (48.61 KB, 330x330, 1:1, i'm dying 1.jpg)

Can't wait to get to the first historical where Chibnall has had to hack the script to pieces to insert some hand-waving of the Doctor's gender because it was originally planned for a man.


 No.95606

>>95604

I think they might've gotten a naming in The Pandorica Opens + appeared in a 5 novel albeit in passing reference only, but the masks used are fantastic and seem like a precursor for things in NewWho like the Judoon.


 No.95607

>>95600

why would an old doctor act differently than a young doctor? because they clearly do, why wouldnt the same apply to the sex of the actor?


 No.95608

An episode about witch trials featuring a woman doctor who was written as a man. What could go wrong


 No.95609

>>95603

>without a single idea as to what we're in for

the marketing has been so consistent and specific that I think we have an alright idea.


 No.95610

>>95603

If you want a vision of the future, imagine David Tennant grinning into a TV camera, forever.


 No.95611

>>95605

>I've used the sonic to project a chameleon field, they think they're talking to a man.

>*cut to reverse shot, showing the companions talking to David Tennant*


 No.95612


 No.95613


 No.95614

>>95606

Weird BF has never used them. Is there a rights issue, like with the Krynoids?


 No.95615

>>95606

They had a mention in The Woman Who Lived as well.


 No.95616

>>95609

I meant it in relation to her actings/mannerisms once she's over the regenerative haze


 No.95617

>>95615

I've not seen it since airing so that's probably why I didn't include it.


 No.95618

>>95599

Oh come on, Twelve was compared to other Doctors as well, especially 4.

>>95601

The marketing probably has little to do with Chibnall, and it's mostly a side effet on holding off on spoilers.

>>95603

I think we can make a few guesses. Based on the trailer and marketing, 13 will no longer have the "duty of care" and "DO AS YOUR TOLD" sort of power dynamic that 12 had with companions. The "friends" piece of marketing is hilarious, but it's also key–13 will now try to just be pals with her travelling partners, evening out the hierarchy, whereas the previous Doctor often had a "mentor/mentee" relationship at times.

I keep thinking of the phrase "newborn traveller". Thirteen is gonna be like a person who has had a new shot at life, filled with curiousity about the new places she can go, as opposed to the "been to every star twice" vibe with Eleven.

This is just my guess, though.


 No.95619

>>95618

>The marketing probably has little to do with Chibnall

You think the showrunner of Broadchurch has little to do with the marketing of his next show? Why do you think there have been no spoilers?


 No.95620

>>95618

on the marketing, I personally was talking about the words coming from chibb and the cast, not the teasers.


 No.95621

>>95607

>why would an old doctor act differently than a young doctor

Twelve sometimes acted younger than Eleven ever did. Punk rock, snarkily sniping at people, etc, that little jig…

And the young-looking Tenth Doctor wistfully looked as Pompeii burned, burdened with knowledge of his fate. The old-looking First Doctor laughed gleefully as Rome burned, like an edgy teenager. Can't just put behaviour in boxes of "old" and "young".


 No.95622

Jodie was good but the writing let her down.


 No.95623

File: 6b2678fd508a50f⋯.jpg (48.1 KB, 330x330, 1:1, i'm dying 3.jpg)

>>95605

Can't wait for the first episode where the Doctor casually insinuates herself among a group of male power figures or is implicitly accepted by men as a fellow member of the intelligentsia for a mysterious, unknown reason, and just generally is unaffected by institutional male bias in any way, despite it probably affecting other women in the show.


 No.95624

>>95623

that sounds fucking hilarious desu


 No.95625

>>95619

…That's a fair point. I'm not sure whether Chibnall approved the exact messages, or just said "can't say this and this".But you're right, he probably has at least an idea of what they're doing.


 No.95626

>>95605

So progressive!

>>95623

Such a valuable message for young viewers! Such a pillar of hope providing such genuinely helpful and meaningful messages to young girls!


 No.95627

This is the Pillar of Hope. Pay your respects.

P I L L A R

I L L A R P

L L A R P I

L A R P I L

A R P I L L

R P I L L A

P I L L A R

I L L A R P

L L A R P I

L A R P I L

A R P I L L

R P I L L A


 No.95628

>>95627

I pay my respects.


 No.95629

>>95623

One thing that gets me is that "Doctor casually insinuates herself among a group of male power figures or is implicitly accepted by men as a fellow member of the intelligentsia for a mysterious, unknown reason" is a thing that they always do. I think that it'll probably get referenced by the scripts as some resistance, but the Doctor always just bust right in anyway.

>writing the scripts originally for a male Doctor

I think this helps the best for writing Thirteen. Because once you say "okay, the fact that this Doctor has a personality of X and Y means I will write him one way" but when you find out she's a woman, you change how you write her, you have to wonder…what was so different between a man of X personality and a woman of X personality that you had to change her lines?

(That being said, rewrites should be used to change how people react to the woman Doctor.)


 No.95630

>>95627

shouldnt the pillar say "hope" instead of "pillar". what you've posted is a pillar of pillar


 No.95631

>>95630

Subverted!


 No.95632

>>95630

The hope is abstract.


 No.95633


 No.95634

>>95629

She flashes the psychic paper and it's all taken care of.


 No.95635

>>95632

BASED


 No.95636

>>95629

>what was so different between a man of X personality and a woman of X personality that you had to change her lines?

Women and men are treated differently Unless every iteration of the interaction that anon describes happens in an alien society with unrecognisable gender relations, the point is perfectly valid. Positioning 13, *marketing* 13 with such a "this is meaningful in real life" angle (pillar of hope, representation, etc.) is incongruent with anything that actually means to viewers in the real world not making it onto screen, being handwaved like that anon described.


 No.95637

File: c7173d2d9ff58e0⋯.jpg (90.25 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 1.jpg)

File: a5b4b4b43567bc2⋯.jpg (121.42 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 2.jpg)

Lawrence Miles' take on Chris Chibnall as showrunner

https://twitter.com/lawrence_miles/status/887038694112329728?lang=en


 No.95638

While I appreciate Neo and Immigrant's takes on this… It was the first draft of the non-chibnall episodes that this happened with. I think 13 very well might be written differently from a male doctor. I would wait til s11 actually airs


 No.95639

>>95638

There's little enough S11 information as is; mooting discussion because it hasn't aired yet is just not going to happen.


 No.95640

>>95639

yeah, but it seems like youre both assuming a thing to be true, rather than saying "if 13 doesnt get written with a female perspective"


 No.95641

What would a female Neo be like?


 No.95642

>>95640

He's not following the Neo perspective. Quick get him to the re education camp


 No.95643

>>95640

Facts like the marketing and reported things like the gender script issue are more what I discuss, and I qualify statements on S11 itself with "unless", "if", things like that. I haven't said things like "I think this helps the best for writing Thirteen", because I haven't seen 13 yet apart from a tiny scene it's impossible to extrapolate much meaningful from.


 No.95644

>>95643

fair enough


 No.95645

>>95637

And more of Miles' bitter whining is relevant, how?


 No.95646

>>95641

Would she be our new muse?


 No.95647


 No.95648

BEEP


 No.95649

>>95646

We need a new muse.


 No.95650

>>95649

Now that the doctor's a woman, we should have a male muse. I vote for neo


 No.95651

>>95650

What would it entail?

>>95645

It's more articulate than ours.


 No.95652

>>95651

You need to be qt. Can you manage that


 No.95653

It's about time to cringe! https://twitter.com/AdamLanceGarcia/status/1041360935858921472

>Dear Fellow Whovians: I want to tell you about @bigfinish and why it’s single best thing that ever happened to #DoctorWho.


 No.95654

>>95652

Oh, some here might know.


 No.95655

>>95653

how much did briggs pay him?


 No.95656

Easily the best bit of S11 marketing so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swbjXKtkyLA


 No.95657

>>95653

Oh no, enthusiasm. How dare he?


 No.95658

>>95656

Thats not the leaked clip


 No.95659

File: 92336f18d2170c6⋯.jpg (184.47 KB, 1536x2048, 3:4, Morph pin up.jpg)

Would Morph be a good muse?


 No.95660

Get your calendars ready because it's about time for a new season of #DoctorWho, premiering exactly three weeks from today on @BBCAMERICA.


 No.95661

>>95658

the leaked clip damaged my optimism


 No.95662

>>95660

So 18:15


 No.95663

>>95662

not the worst timeslot


 No.95664

>>95663

Makes sense as well. Would replace Pointless Celebrities and finish before Countryfile.


 No.95665

File: ccb8fdb77d5e587⋯.jpg (283.82 KB, 761x1024, 761:1024, 5415797191_ae52faeb61_b.jpg)

Move over Doctor Who. It's time for Britain's REAL favourite children's TV hero to return to BBC One.


 No.95666

>>95664

can we stream countryfile in October?


 No.95667

>>95665

Why is Morph's penile erect?


 No.95668

>>95666

Only boomers can understand Countryfile.


 No.95669

>>95657

Big Finish is an amoral entity with a parasitic relationship to Doctor Who that has slowly squeezed every drop of life and creativity out of the show's paratext in service of an endless production line of worthless content.


 No.95670

Why the fuck haven't Big Finish got Catherine Tregenna to write any TW audios? She wrote the two best eps of S1.


 No.95671

>>95667

He just found out who /who/'s new muse is


 No.95672

>>95670

She would make the other BF writers look bad


 No.95673

>>95670

Briggs vetoed it. The Torchwood writers were starting to get too diverse for him.


 No.95674

DWE (doctor who equivalent) of DWE (doctor who experience)?


 No.95675

>>95674

11's timestream at the end of Name of the Doctor.


 No.95676

File: bf73e356e9a46c9⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 680.18 KB, 853x800, 853:800, 853-group-landscape.png)

Just broke into Morph's house and stole this photo. Nice family lol.


 No.95677

>>95676

Morph's albino cousin Worph at the top


 No.95678

>>95677

That's his mate Chas


 No.95679

Morph & Chas

Worph & Wachas


 No.95680

>>95678

>Chas

>mate

nonononononononononono


 No.95681

File: 47133ea50d9a933⋯.jpg (34.07 KB, 400x400, 1:1, unamusedcapy.jpg)

>>95678

>mate


 No.95682

You just want 2, mate?


 No.95683

File: 0aeb2ad36f6ceb8⋯.jpg (353.82 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Dm9ct8VWwAAZUgb.jpg)

whouffaldi is canon


 No.95684

>>95683

the scene in Mummy on the Orient Express where Clara says "I love you" to Danny but she's looking at the Doctor is proof enough


 No.95685

>>95643

>I haven't said things like "I think this helps the best for writing Thirteen"

Neo, directly quoting me like that as a sort of indirect dig feels like a bit of a misintepretation of my argument, of which that sentence was a part of it. Especially as the thing I was referring to was definitely reated to the "gender script issue."

>Facts like the marketing and reported things like the gender script issue are more what I discuss, and I qualify statements on S11 itself with "unless", "if", things like that

The "gender script issue" is a statement on Series 11, and the reason I'm arguing is that part of your argument is: "The way Chibnall is treating a gender in the script is default a reification of the male dominance in writing and structure, and will lead to a less daring Series 11, and a Thirteenth Doctor who is not taking advantage of a chance to make a point about femaleness vs the maleness of the previous 12 Doctors, and show a new path", you are sort of making judgments about Series 11, I feel. Although you're obviously not talking about the actual 13th Doctor (which I also can't say who she is, though I've had fun guessing), you are talking about the initial vision based on the marketing and gender-script issue.

>>95638

>It was the first draft of the non-chibnall episodes that this happened with. I think 13 very well might be written differently from a male doctor.

I actually think the final draft probably will take in care some of Neo's complaints. I keep saying "the scripts will be changed in rewrites, probably." Fully agreed.


 No.95687

>>95685

That's well fair, I thought since the anon was grouping us together clarity of quoting would make sense but it was stepping on your toes; I shouldn't have spoken for you.

Trust me, I'm very eager to watch the episode, hear the transmitted script, and see what we get. I think we will actually both get what we expect.


 No.95688

File: c15b6296a26fbfa⋯.webm (2.79 MB, 862x480, 431:240, 13.webm)


 No.95689

>>95687

>since the anon was grouping us together clarity of quoting would make sense but it was stepping on your toes; I shouldn't have spoken for you.

That makes sense, it's fine.


 No.95690

https://www.femalefirst.co.uk/tv/news/doctor-who-will-barely-address-time-lords-gender-1161151.html

After 55 year, Jodie Whittaker will take over the TARDIS as the first woman to play the iconic role, and showrunner Chris Chibnall has confirmed it wasn't really an issue in the story they're telling.

He told the Daily Star: "The gender issue is pretty by-passed. It's not really a kind of a gender-related story or anything like that.

"The first story is much more a story of survival for the new Doc.

"The last we saw of her she was falling through the air above planet Earth so it's less about gender and more about: 'How am I going to get out of this?' "

Although Chris is keen to make sure it doesn't become an issue, an insider has added that it's "odd" that it doesn't get referenced more.

A source said: "It is odd that one minute Peter Capaldi is The Doc and he turns into Jodie Whittaker and the sex change is barely mentioned."

One thing the team are keen to retain is the series' sense of "unpredictability", and to keep an audience so familiar with the history of the show.

Speaking to Doctor Who Magazine, writer Malorie Blackman revealed: "Part of the joy of writing for Doctor Who is to try to surprise your audience, no matter what their age.

"I love unpredictability - where you introduce the unexpected, even into a story the audience may already think they know."

The new series of 'Doctor Who' will be on BBC One this autumn.


 No.95691

>>95690

The idea of a Time Lord changing gender is too interesting an idea for Chibnall to handle so he's just gonna ignore it.


 No.95692

>>95691

>>95690

To be fair, 13 would have to explain to her new mates that she really was a man before, and that this is new to her. It would be weird having to explain to these characters who know the doctor as a woman that the doctor being a woman is unusual


 No.95693

>>95687

Neo, how would you have preferred Chibnall handled S11?


 No.95694

>>95692

Had Bill stayed on, it might have been more necessary to deal with.


 No.95695

>>95693

I'd have preferred he didn't handle it all, but as for anything else, I'll wait and think over it after it airs.


 No.95696

>>95694

I'm actually swayed by your "Bill should have stayed" thinking when considering that.


 No.95697

>My boyfriend has been open about his porn watching habits and I don’t mind. I mean let’s be realistic here.

>But today he was like hey I wanna buy a VR headset to watch porn. And I was like uhh okay if that’s what you want. And then he was like can I wear them while having sex with you? I was a bit taken aback but I answered sarcastically like ‘wow sure that’ll be so romantic having sex with someone wearing a vr headset watching porn’ and the sarcasm just flew over his head. He’s like yeah!! You can wear them too! And i’m just.. at loss for words..

>I mean it already makes me feel pretty bad knowing that he wants to fantasize about a porn star instead while doing it with me (most people probably fantasizes about others at one point during sex but i don’t want to know about that shit and i definitely don’t want to know when it’s happening) but he has to add a freaking vr headset into it. So i imagine i’ll sort of be like his sex doll just staring at his ugly vr headset waiting for the whole thing to be finished while he’s having fun with his fantasies. And he doesn’t even have the EQ and the common sense to realise how messed up that is. He’s always been a bit callous and socially clueless and I’ve been trying to understand but I think i’m running out of patience.

>Do you think it’s reasonable for me to be mad about this?


 No.95698

>>95695

>I'd have preferred he didn't handle it all

Why?


 No.95699

You ain't mutually masturbating with me, sunshine


 No.95700

Will there be nuts in S11?


 No.95701

Steven Morphat


 No.95702

>>95697

what the actual fuck


 No.95703

nilso thinks his life is one big SJWs OWNED with FACTS and LOGIC Compilation but it's actually a Gamer Cringe Compilation


 No.95704

7 thinks his life is one big SJWs OWNED with FACTS and LOGIC Compilation but it's actually a Reddit Cringe Compilation


 No.95705

>>95698

There are other candidates I would have vastly preferred for showrunner. I quite like some of his Torchwood and Broadchurch work, but don't think he's a great writer or a great producer. I don't like how he's described his approach to the show. I don't like his dialogue. I don't like how all his best works happen to be the ones where all the greatness comes from the people interpreting the script, instead of the script itself. I don't like how it takes a cast as strong as Broadchurch's to overcome how stereotype-laden his writing of those characters are. I don't like how undersignified his stories are. I don't like the writer of Cyberwoman, the producer of Torchwood Series 1 who genuinely thought Lisa's cyberbikini was perfectly acceptable, is running Doctor Who. I don't like his taste in design. I don't like his hair. I think the show can do a lot better than him.


 No.95706

>>95704

holy shit BASED and you're not even me


 No.95707

>>95705

just out of interest, are there any redeeming qualities about chibnall as showrunner in your eyes?


 No.95708

>>95705

So, if I'm being clear, your argument is that you think Chibnall will give us a safe, boring version of a female Doctor that is basically "Who, but female character", rather than a feminist upheaval of Who from the ground up?


 No.95709

>>95707

I LOVE his approach to spoilers. I generally like his castings. I like there being more historically-set eps. I'm very, very wary of how he's described S11 as "educational" but in theory I'm interested in the show looking to its early quasi-educational years as inspiration. I think casting 13 as a woman was brilliant. I like the new lenses and aspect ratio. I think a bigger TARDIS team is a good idea.


 No.95710

>>95588

Anything not in this isn't canon.


 No.95711

File: b6ac756d34d4ff3⋯.png (33.01 KB, 616x170, 308:85, ClipboardImage.png)

Can we expect the same from Doctor Who?


 No.95712

>>95709

that's actually a lot of nice things. I hope however series 11 pans out that you find stuff you like, and that i find stuff inlike desu. im just worry it will be 'safe' but im mostly optimistic otherwise. btw what makes you think there will be more historicals? I count 3 maybe 4


 No.95713

>>95711

Interesting, I lost my motivation to keep watching it once they started fucking.


 No.95714

>>95712

I'm not fussed either way; I had a few years of Who that I loved beyond measure, it's only fair the show changes a lot now and other people get to experience that to their tastes, same way the show has always cycled. I'm very satisfied by what I got over the last few years and well ready for other people to hopefully have similarly engaged experiences with what the show becomes now. As always, one way or another, in a few years it will all change all over again.

I count 3/4 too but that still feels like more to me than usual, maybe I'm off there.

>>95708

My points in that post specifically were that I personally dislike a lot of specific things about Chibnall and his writing, and I would've been more excited by different people running the show. As far as a woman as 13 goes, yes I'd have been more interested in a woman spearheading that, or at least a man who seemed more committed to creatively capitalising on 13 being a woman.


 No.95715

File: 90df314c4aba12f⋯.jpg (95.73 KB, 615x944, 615:944, 0_Left-BRADLEY-WALSH-Briti….jpg)

"I had a mate in me football team called John Smith once. He was very unusual guy."


 No.95716

>>95715

Young Graham and Pseudo-9


 No.95717

>>95716

Series 11 will canonise Winstone and erase Eccleston.


 No.95718

>>95714

>creatively capitalising on 13 being a woman.

What would that look like? Could you give some examples?


 No.95719

What happened in the life of Pete's World's version of the Doctor? Did he become Death's champion?


 No.95721

>>95720

ants


 No.95722

>>95720

>not including the main post


 No.95723

>>95714

>I count 3/4 too but that still feels like more to me than usual, maybe I'm off there

you know what, it is more historicals as a percentage if the season but on par in terms of the raw number of historical stories we get. So youre right i guess.

I love historicals, so i hope we do get plenty. They have to be done well though, acutally explore an event/period/figure, not just set in the past for the hell of it.


 No.95724

>>95722

>>95721

Fuck, sorry, this website is a pain on mobile


 No.95725

File: cd96c935774f9e5⋯.jpg (248.23 KB, 1152x2048, 9:16, image.jpg)

DWE?


 No.95726

>>95718

You asked me what should change in that sense here >>94071 and here 94082, I answered (so did Cloister, at impressive length). I also expanded on essentially that same question to another user last thread, here >>95318. I can also point to an answer in the inverse, by an anon, here >>95623.

>>95723

Desu I'm even pretty happy with stuff being in the past for the hell of it, although it's not ideal. I just love past-set eps so much.


 No.95727

>>95725

The Woman Who Fell to Earth


 No.95728

>>95725

>re-consuming old stuff that's already been expelled from your body because of a mistaken belief that it's good for you

Series 11.


 No.95729


 No.95730


 No.95731


 No.95732

Why did NeoCloister kept referring to all his fellow /who/res as 'Morph' ??


 No.95733

>>95731

Thanks for promulgating this tweet.


 No.95734

>>95731

Is Bidmead's era arguably the only true continuation of the show's original premise?


 No.95735

>>95734

I'd say so, yes, arguably more faithfully than Hartnell's era did too. Not that there's anything wrong with moving the show to a new premise (wish it did so more often honestly…).


 No.95736

Don't frown because of New Who Series 5. Smile because of Classic Who Series 18.


 No.95737

Guy Ritchie is rumoured to direct Captain Britain for marvel


 No.95738

>>95736

Why the FUCK do you keep singling out S5?


 No.95739

>>95737

Guy Ritchie the Hollywood sellout


 No.95740

>>95736

series 5 is great


 No.95741

>>95738

If I wanted something that undercooked I'd go to Morph's for dinner.


 No.95742

>>95741

>undercooked

so what you're saying is that morph's gonna give it to you raw?


 No.95743

>>95737

Sounds like a Brexit mascot.


 No.95744

bidmead's a massive lib. look at his twitter


 No.95745

Real talk, I don't like series 5 that much. It falls into the Series 10 "good premiere, good finale, one great ep in the middle" vein for me. It's more than the sum of its parts because the arc is well done and Smith and Marigold do everything to sell the new version of the show, but on an episode-to-episode basis, I find it dreadfully dull, and I prefer the balls-to-the-wall series 6 even at its worst. Series 5 is still very much an RTD series in so many ways, until the finale (which is genuinely great). I didn't watch it in 2010, I watched it in 2013, so the hype of the era wasn't with me, I just watched it as is.


 No.95746

>>95597

>She's going to be written as a man with tits

How is this bad? The best fanfictions I've gotten off to have had male Doctors with that exact premise, as well as ballbusting and femdom.


 No.95747

File: eb0f40cfb879afe⋯.png (341.67 KB, 577x421, 577:421, s18.PNG)

Check this out fellow #Resistance freedom fighters. Season 18 is officially epic.


 No.95748

>>95744

>dragging the Telegraph for its imbalanced Corbyn coverage

Seems pretty based to m–

>retweets Obama "dignity" flattery

Okay never mind.


 No.95749

>>95747

Based Bidmead


 No.95750

>>95745

Watching S5 in 2010 was genuinely one of the best viewer experiences in my life


 No.95751

gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig gig


 No.95752

KINO TIER

1. Amy's Choice

2. The Big Bang

VERY GOOD TIER

3. The Lodger

4. The Pandorica Opens

GOOD TIER

5. The Eleventh Hour

6. Vincent and the Doctor

MEDIOCRE TIER

7. Flesh and Stone

8. The Time of Angels

BAD TIER

9. The Beast Below

10. The Vampires of Venice

11. Victory of the Daleks

12. The Hungry Earth

13. Cold Blood


 No.95753

>>95749

Is moving everyone you disagree with to another planet your idea of creating civility?


 No.95754


 No.95755

>>95753

Hi Cats


 No.95756

>>95755

You wish.


 No.95757

>>95752

do you have a ranking for other seasons? series 1 especially


 No.95758

>>95752

The Big Bang is shite. Messier than Journey's End.


 No.95759

File: 503c5b72cb3b7b6⋯.png (103.55 KB, 313x242, 313:242, dsp6.png)


 No.95760

Is it under-remarked upon that K9's most important narrative function in the classic series seems to be attacking people? He's viewed as the cute pet companion but he was literally just a hired gun.


 No.95761

I'd like to see Neo's rankings for the black and white era.


 No.95762

>>95758

Big Bang is the most meticulously plotted finale in the entire show.


 No.95763

I'd like to see Neo's rankings for Morph episodes.


 No.95764

I'd like to see Neo's spankings


 No.95765

>>95758

objectively wrong opinion


 No.95766

I'd like to see Neo be cool


 No.95767

nilsos hired a few 'guns' to be cute pet companions in his lifetime


 No.95768

File: 5dcb4c1108e7f79⋯.png (170.53 KB, 506x481, 506:481, 1411161458944.png)

>>95752

>MEDIOCRE TIER

>7. Flesh and Stone

>8. The Time of Angels

DISLIKING THIS TWO-PARTER IS A MEME!


 No.95769

>>95768

hey gig


 No.95770

>>95757

KINO TIER

1. Father's Day

2/3. The Empty Child | The Doctor Dances

4/5. Bad Wolf | The Parting of the Ways

VERY GOOD TIER

6. Rose

7. Dalek

8. The End of the World

GOOD TIER

9. The Unquiet Dead

10. Boom Town

MEDIOCRE TIER

11/12. Aliens of London | World War Thre

13. The Long Game


 No.95771

>>95769

hey pig


 No.95772

chibnall is objectively shit


 No.95773

>>95771

nice try but i'm not a cop


 No.95774

>>95770

>he uses pipes to separate two-parter titles instead of slashes

fancy pants


 No.95775

>>95762

The Doctor escapes the cracks in time because Amy wishes him into existence. Genius.


 No.95776

>>95770

based opinions


 No.95777

>>95774

i'd like to "pipe" nilso if you know what i mean


 No.95778

>>95760

bring back k9, and have him fucken obliterate people. really show them blow up, bits of blood and gore all over the walls.


 No.95779

>>95773

Yeah you

Hey pig piggy pig pig pig

All of my fears came true

Black and blue and broken bones you left me here I'm all alone

My little piggy needed something new


 No.95780

When Shatterpoint will be adapted for tv show?


 No.95781

>>95768

How they dealt with series arc stuff midseries was a good shakeup from how RTD styled the structure of the series was, and I liked bringing River back like that in theory, but I find the actual story and direction of the episodes extremely dull apart from a few typical Moff touches he could mumble in his sleep (Amy's counting). It shows that they were Matt's first filmed eps too.


 No.95782

File: 9ab33242690a7b4⋯.gif (364.68 KB, 230x300, 23:30, qtjodie.gif)

JODIE A CUTE

A CUTE


 No.95783

>>95777

i'd like to "slash" nilso if you know what i mean


 No.95784

>>95728

I'm optimistic for Series 11, but still, good one, audibly kekked.


 No.95785

VERY GOOD TIER

1. Love and Monsters

GOOD TIER

2. The Girl in the Fireplace

3/4. The Impossible Planet | The Satan Pit

MEDIOCRE TIER

5/6. Army of Ghosts | Doomsday

BAD TIER

7. Tooth and Claw

8. New Earth

9/10. Rise of the Cybermen | The Age of Steel

11. The Idiot's Lantern

12. School Reunion

13. Fear Her


 No.95786

>>95783

monkaS


 No.95787


 No.95788

File: 135b44a27f98c31⋯.jpg (30.82 KB, 640x352, 20:11, Doctor-Jenny-the-doctor-an….jpg)

Would Jenny coming into the TARDIS have made for an interesting run? I mean you got Doctor as dad and Donna as mum, you could get an interesting companion dynamic going.


 No.95789

>>95781

>It shows that they were Matt's first filmed eps too.

I actually view that as a good thing, his performance in those two is way more interesting than what we get in, say, Victory of the Daleks. Matt's visible insecurity in the part is fitting for a story in which the Doctor is in over his head and people are playing games behind his back. It helps that the dialogue is oddly Tennanty and he compensates by going in a subdued and totally anti-Tennant direction with it.


 No.95790

>>95783

Watersports? Getting kinky.


 No.95791

>>95785

I thought you liked NuWho


 No.95792

>>95789

Good point. The old "include a returning character fans love to smooth things over" trick worked well with River there too. Didn't work quite as well with the Paternosters in Deep Breath.

>>95791

I love it, I can excuse it having a few misfire series over a decade.


 No.95793

>>95788

No. Jenny was a shit character played by a shit actress.


 No.95794

>>95788

There might have been potential in that if Jenny was actually characterised as like a child and needing parental guidance, with the Doctor feeling responsible because he's partly the reason she exists.

Jenny was a shit character though


 No.95795

>>95783

Like to see you try


 No.95796

>>95789

it was very well prepared. Distract people with River Song and Weeping Angels, give a story where the doctor is out of his depth anyway. It's noticable that Matt isnt comfortable, but it still works imo


 No.95797

Why is Jenny so popular in the first place?


 No.95798

KINO TIER

1. Heaven Sent

2. Hell Bent

3/4. The Magician's Apprentice | The Witch's Familiar

5. The Girl Who Died

VERY GOOD TIER

6. The Zygon Invasion

7. The Zygon Inversion

8. Face the Raven

9. Sleep No More

10. The Woman Who Lived

BAD TIER

11/12. Under the Lake | Before the Flood


 No.95799

Do you have to be heterosexual (or a gay man born before 1975) to appreciate The Lodger?


 No.95800

>>95798

>The Magician's Apprentice

>kino


 No.95801

>>95797

The same reason people who have never watched Classic Who clamour for the Valeyard to return. Doctor Who fans just latch on to any possibility for returns, redos, continuity, "paying off" stuff.


 No.95802

>>95799

I know a bisexual woman that enjoys it?


 No.95803

>>95785

You said you don't like Impossible Planet/Satan Pit


 No.95804

>>95799

I know a bisexual plasticine figure that enjoys it.


 No.95805

>>95799

> heterosexual

> born before 1975

Hardly anybody on here is either of those things


 No.95806

>>95629

A fundamental aspect of the Doctor's character is that he (HE) is basically universe-royalty. He's always taken the appearance of a man – a white man no less – a white man from BRITAIN no less! He's the exact epitome of a privileged aristocrat who pretends he isn't, parading around the universe disrupting the status quo on a whim (always pretending he knows best) and fraternizing with lesser species to help him forget that he's a literal LORD. If Chibnall wanted to make the Doctor a woman, he should have made her a black human woman with a third-world accent.


 No.95807

>>95803

Morph.


 No.95808

>>95800

it's substanceless set up


 No.95809

>>95808

It contains the most political line in NewWho.


 No.95810

#theplaneshavestopped

#ratjam

#planejam


 No.95811

>>95810

#theratshavestopped


 No.95812

>>95806

i do absolutely hate it when the doctor hangs out with royalty. when he's mates with the queen it seems like apologising for imperialism


 No.95813

File: 9d3300fb4113a26⋯.jpg (45.46 KB, 688x384, 43:24, vlcsnap-2010-06-01-12h16m2….jpg)

>it's a 4 episode


 No.95814

File: 9a9a88ab9556c9d⋯.jpg (239.65 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, maxresdefault.jpg)

Remember the RTD era, guys?


 No.95815

>>95813

im offended


 No.95816

>>95653

>@bigfinish is the full realization of Doctor Who’s potential, because as much I love the show (and oh man I cannot wait for Jodie Whittaker) I don’t think the TV show can exist without Big Finish.

Fucking kill me.


 No.95817

>>95806

>He's the exact epitome of a privileged aristocrat who pretends he isn't, parading around the universe disrupting the status quo on a whim (always pretending he knows best) and fraternizing with lesser species to help him forget that he's a literal LORD.

I prefer to think of him as a bohemian traveller. A lot of that is the treatment of him in NuWho, which though a nice take, isn't absolute.

> If Chibnall wanted to make the Doctor a woman, he should have made her a black human woman with a third-world accent.

She has a Yorkshire accent, which is actually one of the accent that are seen as more lower-class, I think.


 No.95818

>>95814

Chibnall better do this


 No.95819

We will never get 50/50. We will forever get stories of 8 wearily fighting the Daleks.


 No.95820

>>95817

her accent would be associated with low income yeah. if she said she was a timelord/lady whatever, Id be surprised because of the accent


 No.95821

Nicholas Theodore Briggs killed the show.


 No.95822

>Capaldi doesn't want to return to the role of the Doctor and apparently Matt Lucas has turned down Big Finish as Nardole, but has Briggs asked Capaldi to return as Caecilius together with Lucas as a Pseudolus/Lurkio type slave in a set of updated Plautine Roman comedies: Big Finish essentially reviving Up Pompeii?


 No.95823

File: 22a42556e7a0ee3⋯.jpg (86.13 KB, 768x512, 3:2, nb.jpg)

>>95821

Say that again.


 No.95824

>>95812

Reminder that leftist Doctor Who fans will complain about the CIA sabotaging Marxist regimes during the Cold War and leaving before dealing with the consequences, but will support the Doctor doing the same thing to countless planets.

>>95817

>A lot of that is the treatment of him in NuWho, which though a nice take, isn't absolute.

By this did you mean the "bohemian traveller" take or the aristocrat take? Because the aristocrat take goes all the way back to 1's attitudes toward his companions. And it's almost impossible to describe 3's or 5's personalities without "aristocrat" coming into play. 7 and 10 were fucking moralizers in chief, which actually makes them better because in comparison the others just seem like they don't care.


 No.95825


 No.95826

>>95825

I hadn't; what a phenomenal essay. I want to go through and make a bulleted list of every serial and story he savaged. Growing to love Jack more and more.

still looking forward to the upcoming eruditorum post, btw.


 No.95827

File: 03f7875e0e8db4a⋯.jpg (54.72 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, doctor_who_2005.9x01.the_m….jpg)

File: 84ccc2962e3b14a⋯.jpg (52.35 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, doctor_who_2005.9x12.hell_….jpg)

>>95808

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the first half of a two parter being a stage-setting exercise. Important tasks achieved in The Magician's Apprentice:

- Introduce the main S9 theme of best friends who are bad for each other (12/Missy, most of Missy's dialogue).

- Establish Clara's power level via her standoff with Missy.

- Reframe 12's character as the aging rockstar in denial. The hugging metaphor from Death in Heaven is made lopsided, to signify that the Doctor is the one who still can't be honest to Clara.

- Demonstrate the Doctor's inability to process the moral dilemma from the start of the episode, feeling he has no option but to accept his death (which he views as karmic).

- Introduce the snakes-disguised-as-person metaphor, representing Davros in part 2 who literally acts as the human face of the Dalek collective.

- Reveal the Daleks have created a nostalgic replica of their homeworld with the intent of continuing the cycle of violence.

- Characterise the Daleks as animalistic creatures whose sadism is borne out of instinct, and connect this to Davros' fascist worldview ("Hunter and prey, locked in the ecstasy of crisis. Is this not life at its purest?")

- Hang structural suspense on the question of how far the Doctor will go to avenge/revive Clara (a question which is central to Hell Bent).


 No.95828

>>95826

I was pretty awed by it, for the first half or so of it I was legit half-expecting him to do every fucking TV story.

It's great, it even manages to make UTF/BTF have some sort of relevancy, and alludes to a Clara/Me possibility that I know you'll have passioNate thoughts about.


 No.95829

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

What is the Doctor Who equivalent of the interaction in this video?


 No.95830

why does nobody talk about chantho being racist. i hear about how moffat is sexist, but i never hear about chantho


 No.95831

>>95830

The Doctor Who fandom does not have a particularly lucid relationship with racism, as we've seen in recent weeks.


 No.95832

>>95830

And then RTD hired the same actress the next year in a role that was just as racist.


 No.95833

File: 1c4187c260c9b3b⋯.jpg (117.33 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, doctor_who_2005.9x02.the_w….jpg)

File: 4828ea6aa2e3acb⋯.jpg (71.51 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, doctor_who_2005.9x02.the_w….jpg)

>>95827

>The hugging metaphor from Death in Heaven is made lopsided, to signify that the Doctor is the one who still can't be honest to Clara.

by the way, in setting 12 up as the one who is the most flawed, this prefigures him being the one whose memory must ultimately be wiped in Hell Bent.

Also.

>- Reveal the Daleks have created a nostalgic replica of their homeworld

This is not brought up nearly enough in my opinion. The inherent fanwank of bringing back classic Daleks and the Hartnell-era version of Skaro is literally put into practice BY THE DALEKS, as an extension of their ideology. Not only that, but it's a version of Skaro where "Every Dalek Ever" (the forgotten marketing slogan for Asylum) freely congregates with the others in a big collection. This cuts distinctively against certain past interpretations of the Daleks where they're either trying to advance themselves as a species, or destroy alternative versions of themselves. These Daleks don't care about having other models of themselves bobbing around the place as long as they're Dalek-shaped. And they put effort into even making the corridors the same shape as back in the old days. It's implied by this that our fanwank desire to see classic Dalek shit brought back is a Dalek-like desire, connected to both the reactionary urge towards traditionalism and consumerist Dalekmania. This alone is closer to Jubilee than Shearman's actual NuWho adaptation of Jubilee!


 No.95834

⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢

⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢⬢

⬢⬢⬢⬢

⬢⬢

⬢⬢⬢⬢

⬢⬢

⬢⬢⬢⬢

⬢⬢

⬢⬢⬢⬢

⬢⬢

T O R C H W O O D


 No.95835

>>95833

Very interesting point, I've never even thought about Daleks in TWF this way. Brilliant.


 No.95836

Seriously though why hasn't John Barrowman been charged with sexual misconduct for all his "pranks" on the sets of Who and Torchwood? I don't want him to be but he clearly went too far on numerous occasions. Is he protected by the gay?


 No.95837

>>95833

Great posts. I feel like you could connect some of this, maybe some of the fanwank-as-literal-thematics stuff to Series 9 starting on 'Skaro' and ending on Gallifrey, and how that factors into the requisite myths there. I feel like there's some connection between the Hybrid prophecy, especially how vague and weaponised it is in Hell Bent, to the Dalek politics in the premiere but I haven't gotten there yet.


 No.95838

>>95833

I never feel worthy to reply to a gigpost, I just read in awe


 No.95839

>>95806

>If Chibnall wanted to make the Doctor a woman, he should have made her a black human woman with a third-world accent.

I might accept a non-British Doctor if they were explicitly styled after someone from a population the British seized as part of their empire (so bearing English affectation, English-derived accent, etc. as an implicit scar of colonialism). Good lord that'd be potential kino!


 No.95840

>>95831

>>95832

>Both Utopia and Turn Left act as set up before a finale

>Both reintroduce a major character (The Master/Rose)

>Both feature the same actress as a super racist asian stereotype

RTD is amazing at creating these parallels. Using the same actress for both really ties the 2 eps together


 No.95841

>>95840

Okay, this is the type of RTD praise I can get onboard with.


 No.95842

>>95836

which pranks?


 No.95843

>>95831

>as we've seen in recent weeks.

?


 No.95844

The blind twist in S10 is one of the worst moments in the show, possibly ever


 No.95845

>>95836

Flashing your butt to the camera doesn't count as sexual harrassment.


 No.95846

>>95844

Worst cliffhanger since Dragonfire.


 No.95847

>>95827

>>95833

>>95837

Can you guys just write a whole big essay about Series 9? I never pick up on this stuff unless I'm explicitly told. And it's always so interesting. Great posts


 No.95848

chibnall finna get dabbed on


 No.95849

>>95845

>>95842

He did things like sending unsolicited dicks pics to the cast and shoving props up his anus. That's just what I remember.


 No.95850

How does Series 10 feel so rushed when they had over a year to work on it?


 No.95851

>>95849

seriously? I've never heard about that. the fuck is wrong with him


 No.95852

>>95849

lol based


 No.95853

broadchurch is overrated


 No.95854

>>95827

>>95833

Very thoughtful analysis. But does anyone here actually believe that half of this stuff is anything other than coincidence? Moffat has literally admitted to making it up as he went along and in a lot of his writing it shows. There's no way he'd leave enormous plot holes in his stories while carefully constructing this kind of minutiae about "themes" and foreshadowing that almost no one in the audience would notice.


 No.95855

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


 No.95856

>>95854

In all honesty, I do think the themes are intentional. Moffat joked bout making things up as he went along, and said that "That's what writing is", but that's more about plot.

I think the reason Moffat has quite a lot of plot holes in his work is because he legitimately isnt interested in plot. He doesn't care enough to work out the minutiae of plot, because he cares about themes and characters.


 No.95857

>>95854

I wouldn't say it's all intentional, but I wouldn't call it a coincidence either. Whether he actually thought about it or not, Moffat felt these were appropriate things to do with the characters, the story and the Daleks, and there are reasons that they work. That's more interesting than fruitless speculation about Moffat's conscious intentions.

The TMA/Hell Bent connection is definitely intentional though. Anything along the lines of "the Doctor is worried that Clara's dead" in Series 9 is a knowing Hell Bent call-forward.


 No.95858

Series 8 > Series 9


 No.95859

>>95855

I'm ten minutes in and this is possibly the best-produced fan audio I've ever heard. Sound design is brilliant, the actors are surprisingly good, and the impression is bang on. 9's voice isn't a great actor though - not much heart to his performance, but the likeness to Eccleston is like no other. Some very in-character dialogue too. I recommend trying it.


 No.95860

>>95858

based and redpilled and based


 No.95861

>>95858

cringe and bluepilled


 No.95862

File: 2d7c0e9adac725b⋯.png (125.11 KB, 550x398, 275:199, ClipboardImage.png)

Series 1 > Series 8 > Series 9


 No.95863

>>95862

I might agree there


 No.95864

>>95858

This but un-unironically


 No.95865

>>95862

based


 No.95866

Series 1 > Series 9 > Series 8 > Series 4 > Series 5 > Series 10 > Series 6 > Series 3 > Series 2 > Series 7


 No.95867

>>95866

>series 2 and 3 that low

cringe


 No.95868

>>95866

>series 2 that high

crinfe


 No.95869

And from now on it's a healthy Nilsotarian diet. For both of us.


 No.95870

>>95867

>>95868

samefag trying to stir shit with 2 opposing opinions


 No.95871

>>95870

t. same samefag accusing himself of being a samefag for drama


 No.95872

What Arena Events could happen in a Doctor Who Hunger Games environment?


 No.95873

It amuses me that people think because Chibnall wrote Broadchurch that Series 11 will be any good. One only needs to take a look at his Doctor Who work. 42 - a bland action piece that presents itself as a tense sci-fi spectacle but in reality is poorly-directed straight to DVD schlock that would look at home in Season 17. The Power of Three - bland, cringe-inducing comedy with no stakes despite the seeming world-threatening issue our heroes must face.

Dinosaurs in a Spaceship is so downright embarrassing that one need not even bother discussing it - the title tells you all you need to know about the man's frank disregard for the integrity of the show we know and love. Chibnall merely struck lucky with Broadchurch - a show that, by the way, is only a 6/10 on first viewing and is made to look better with its superb acting talent. His Torchwood work was also mismanaged, poorly executed and downright depressing. He built up to the second and third series of Broadchurch only to destroy the very foundations he had built previously with the first series.The man is only capable of one thing - disappointing an audience.


 No.95874

>>95873

>the title tells you all you need to know about the man's frank disregard for the integrity of the show we know and love.

The title is quite literally the pitch that Moffat gave to Chibnall. He asked him to do an episode with the title "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship".


 No.95875

IT'S HER TURN


 No.95876

>>95871

t. same samefag doing the same thing again because he doesnt know when to stop with the joke


 No.95877

File: 901d6396f5404b1⋯.jpg (52.91 KB, 425x537, 425:537, 81BkDUDTwdL._SX425_.jpg)

In an arctic snowscape, a long time ago, the Doctor will come across… himself? Relive the amazing adventure that brought the Twelfth Doctor (Peter Capaldi) together with the First Doctor (David Bradley) and sent them on a whirlwind journey across the stars, this time in 4K resolution. Twice the adventure, four times the resolution. Only one week away - Doctor Who: Twice Upon a Time on 4K Blu-ray.

Pre-order now, or I'll have to turn nasty:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Christmas-Special-2017/dp/B07GZ2F2Y2


 No.95878

>>95873

>42 - a bland action piece that presents itself as a tense sci-fi spectacle

The scene where Martha calls her mom as she's drifting toward the sun is one of the best Martha moments ever.

>The Power of Three - bland, cringe-inducing comedy with no stakes despite the seeming world-threatening issue our heroes must face.

The point of the story isn't the stakes, the point is what 11 does when there are no real stakes. Also, the guest actor for the villain basically refused to do his lines midway through production, meaning that Chibs had to scramble for a proper ending.

>Dinosaurs in a Spaceship

The title obscures a villain who is utterly human, and whose villainny is powered by utter greed and despicableness, to the point where even the Eleventh Doctor just lets the man die at the end, with no regrets.


 No.95879

>>95874

moffat hates dr who as well so point proven. they only good showrunner was JNT


 No.95880

>>95876

t. Nilso


 No.95881

>>95879

ironically this


 No.95882


 No.95883

>>95878

Good point about Martha. I think it's a great scene too.


 No.95884

Bradders is great friends with Ray Winstone. There's a damn good chance he's one of the big name guests in S11.


 No.95885

>>95884

was ray winstone a /who/ meme already or was that someone else?


 No.95886

>>95885

He's the alternative 9


 No.95887

>>95886

shit yeah, okay


 No.95888

>>95883

It's one of the few scenes I remember from 42 years later, alongside "WHY DIDN'T YOU CHECK FOR LIFE?" , which is actually delivered well by Tennant, i think.


 No.95889

>95888

Remind me about "why didn't you check for life"?


 No.95890

>>95885

He's alternative Doctor in Nilso's universe. He's featured in multiple stories in Shit Trips 2.5 too. He's known for his phrase "Sometimes there just isn't another way."


 No.95891

>>95888

as a kid i remember being mostly unsettled by my hero the doctor being in pain and saying "im scared". thats actually a vivid memory for me. Done well i think


 No.95892

>>95890

I cant believe a shit trips character is gonna be in series 11. Based Chibnall. I wonder if Mary Elizabeth Winstead Doctor will make it in too


 No.95893

Unironically trailer at 3PM on Thursday. Keep it quiet.


 No.95894

nilsos pussy is wet


 No.95895

rtd on set this week with chris eccleston. my source 'adam o' says its for a pre-series minisode available via red button.


 No.95896

>>95893

gmt?

not joking, the trailer will most likely be next sunday, along with the press release


 No.95897

File: 0b15cf3ec116309⋯.jpg (53.82 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, pain.jpg)

I think 42 is actually well directed to be honest. One of the examples of generic corridor running being brought to life by good action director.

The writing was okay, but direction was good.


 No.95898

File: 409b14535ab9495⋯.jpg (131.37 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, doctor_who_2005.9x02.the_w….jpg)

File: f00c84d38d39461⋯.jpg (45.18 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, doctor_who_2005.9x02.the_w….jpg)

>>95833

Just want to take this an inch further…the Daleks are subtly implied to have become like this because they're on the decline. Stale and running out of juice. (Davros boasts about being "saviour of the Daleks!" after his plan comes off in TWF; Dalek Supreme says "we are renewed".) It didn't all just randomly happen; we're seeing the Daleks after a period of decay.

This perfectly explains the plurality of Dalek models. They've presumably stopped their internecine bickering and banded together because their collective status is under threat. (We can infer from this that if things were to go in the other direction, i.e. they were to go full-powered and re-expand their empire, it would lead straight back to another Dalek civil war.) This is a rare case of us being encouraged to see past all the Dalek v Dalek conflicts and understand all Daleks as a class that, when threatened, will work to preserve itself. This is a bit controversial because we're so used to the interpretation of Daleks where they value racial purity above absolutely everything else, to the point of self-destruction. But this shift has a touch of political relevance. Is it not possible that wars between factions, and indeed ideas of ethnic purity, could be obscuring the real battle - namely the fight to preserve the position of one class above another?

Interpreting Daleks as a class enhances the resolution of TWF, which already has an explicit class war subtext thanks to the "sewers are revolting!" line. Because even a supposedly united Dalek society reveals itself to be self-dividing; consigning the old, decomposed, sludgy Daleks to their own underclass, safely out of view. They don't have discrimination against other casing designs anymore; only against their elders. This circles all the way back around to what we first noticed, about the Daleks being in decline…if they're dying out, sooner or later they'll all be like the ones in the sewer! The old Daleks must be stowed away because they're a reminder of what awaits the active Daleks in their fucking nightmare of a future. (And ironically enough, the Daleks don't try to make life nicer for the sewer Daleks. They make their own future more nightmarish because of how much they hate the idea of it.) The Daleks can settle for impurity, in a pinch - the thing they absolutely cannot abide is losing their power, becoming subjects to the will of others and the ravages of time.

Hence their need for the Doctor's life force. The magic elixir is what they're chasing for the whole story, the thing that can stave off their inevitable decay. It all happens because the Daleks are scared of what's in their sewer. So the fact it ends with the sewer bursting its tubes and consuming them all is glorious.

(Davros is important here too. "Everything you are, they are." This line is how the desires and actions of the Dalek class are parallelled with the greed and anxieties of an individual psyche. Davros is trying to prolong his own life as well, especially because he can actually die. The Daleks are just extrapolations of Davros, because all of their ideology and psychology is just the flawed interior of a human(oid) writ on a gigantic scale. Just as in real life, human flaws, fears, instincts, primal urges, reproduce themselves into earth-shattering social/political/economical movements.)

Simultaneously, the Daleks being on the decline explains the retreat into a wistful memory of old Skaro. It's an especially oddball decision for them because it means going back to before the Time War, undoing centuries (even millennia) of technological and aesthetic progress. But that makes perfect sense in light of how much they loathe their present condition. We can see this process in the world around us. An arbitrary moment from the past - it could be decades ago or as recently as 5 years ago - gets held up and idealised as a preferable alternative to the current social order, which is in decay. This obscures the problems of the past and the way in which they led directly to the current crisis. Of course the Daleks would indulge in the same thing, because they rely on the same types of denial and ignorance that we do (if they didn't, they wouldn't keep trying to reconcile continued survival with arbitrary destruction).

Just by sidelining racial purity and instead foregrounding the binaries of life/decay, past/present, and upperclass/underclass, Moffat stumbles face-first into one of the wokest Dalek stories ever written.


 No.95899

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo

>TV PI will be published every Thursday by 3pm.

The next week they have to release is the week of Doctor Who. The Cry PI was released last Thursday and the trailer for that showed up at the same time.


 No.95900

So I wasn't here but what was /who/'s consensus on the whole 'It's about time' deal?


 No.95901

File: ec7fa0fd3daa46d⋯.jpg (23.93 KB, 250x400, 5:8, 1536415318435.jpg)

>>95900

It's been done before


 No.95902

Wait what the fuck happened to the wiki? I need a quick rundown of the latest events spanning a month or two lads


 No.95903

>>95902

el sandifer deleted it


 No.95904

>>95902

mongo


 No.95905

>>95898

These are insanely good posts. I hope you don't mind me bookmarking them for reference?


 No.95906

>>95900

It's alright.


 No.95907

>>95898

Fantastic post.


 No.95908

>>95898

but le daleks just aren't scary anymore liek they were with RTD. thanks moffet


 No.95909

chibnall out


 No.95910

>>95879

TUaT proved once and for all that Muffhat does indeed hate the show he also loves.


 No.95911

>>95910

Who doesn't hate the 1st Doctor era? That shit's boring.


 No.95912

>>95911

This but abstractly


 No.95913

File: dbda25b5656932f⋯.png (478.56 KB, 623x776, 623:776, dc8e327ae16f4a0de4660ccd55….png)

Neo, what's your opinion on this image?


 No.95914

>>95913

why does he look so sad?


 No.95915

File: cb6af52e337958a⋯.png (326.77 KB, 960x444, 80:37, all traps are beautiful.png)


 No.95916

>>95914

If I was in the DCEU I'd be sad too.

Honestly they should just stick to the CW shows.


 No.95917

>>95913

Looks like Troughton


 No.95918

>>95917

excuse me?


 No.95919

>>95913

I expect a Joker solo movie to go about as well as Venom's.


 No.95920

File: 19327e69f1fd8c7⋯.jpeg (15 KB, 400x300, 4:3, fake-pool.jpeg)

T P I A

P

I

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 No.95921

>>95918

He does. Ignore the hair.


 No.95922

>>95920

0/10 meme


 No.95923

File: f0127292a74e1f0⋯.jpg (29.25 KB, 419x262, 419:262, bill eyeroll.jpg)


 No.95924

File: b61261b5cfb562b⋯.gif (972.08 KB, 500x332, 125:83, original.gif)

Was he autistic?


 No.95925

>>95924

No just bored


 No.95926

>>95924

No, Morph.


 No.95927

>>95889

That's what Ten says while possessed by the sun alien, and translates what the alien's thoughts are. He's feeling the sun alien's pain from being drained alive by colonists who never thought to check if the "uninhabited" sun was actually uninhabited.


 No.95928

I don't call everyone autistic stop memeing lies


 No.95929

>>95916

But he's not in the DCEU


 No.95930

>>95898

It'd be interesting to compare this huddled, decaying vision of Skaro in the S9 opener with the humbled Gallifrey that we see in the closer.


 No.95931

i feel like everything i think i know about the chibnall era is just assumptions. for example, i'm sure he's not going to bring gallifrey back, but how could i possibly know that? this was before all the stuff about no returning monsters too. straight away i just assumed it'd be a non-fanwanky series designed to appeal to the masses.


 No.95932

>>95931

>straight away i just assumed it'd be a non-fanwanky series designed to appeal to the masses.

That was a reasonable assumption. Any new era is going to react against its predecessor in some way, especially if the predecessor saw a notable slacking off of viewing figures. Any full relaunch of the show, starting from scratch, is going to want to appeal to the masses. And any show that's been going mostly-uninterrupted for thirteen years is going to have people get sick of its usual fare, meaning it needs to refresh itself (i.e. no returning monsters).

These assumptions are just sensible conclusions to draw from the trends we recognise in Doctor Who and the TV industry.


 No.95933

>>95930

coolio nate


 No.95934

https://twitter.com/DWDrinkingGame/status/1041478619783151616

>Idea for TV series: a Chinese "Doctor Who" rip-off where everything's copied from the actually good sources.


 No.95935

>>95655

Big Finish fans do it for free!


 No.95936

https://www.blackveilentertainment.org/blog/all-change

Has this been posted yet? Someone tried submitting it to r/gal with the title "It's a sad day for all Doctor Who fans as 'Foreman' is put 'on-hold'".


 No.95937

>>95719

Gallifrey is at the centre of the Spiral Politic and the rest of the timelines revolve around it so there’s only one Doctor and one (set of nine) Gallifrey. Earth is further out near the edge so it’s history is less stable and singular and it can have different timelines.


 No.95938

>>95936

>sad day for all

lol, I'm happy that Foreman is no more, shitposting about it aside, and judging from the r/gal announcement thread, I doubt r/gal would be that upset either.


 No.95939

>>95798

Please do the Hartnell seasons


 No.95940

>>95927

Reminds me of the Australian government doing nuclear tests in ‘uninhabited’ land that was actually home to some aboriginal people


 No.95941

Fucking hate how they did that to the Doctors age, like why? 900 was such a good number but 2000 is just stupid, hate Moffat. Hate Moffat and everything thing he introduced. He should be ashamed about what he did to this show. One of the greatest sci-fi shows to ever grace television and he turned it into a joke full of clichés, crude sex jokes, made Peter, and amazing actor, look average at best and causual sexism like gtfo ya twat. I beg you Chris and Jodie, save our show.


 No.95942

>>95941

>900 was such a good number but 2000 is just stupid

This sentence captures the essence of plebness so fucking succinctly.


 No.95943

The notion that the doctor was a woman would inherently react differently to situations, "like a woman", compared to the doctor as a man reacting "like a man", is grounded in subconscious sexism


 No.95944

>>95943

in your opinion


 No.95945

>>95944

It's subconscious so you're in a cloud of bias where you can't accurately assess it yourself


 No.95946

>>95943

I feel it kind of is. As Thirteen has the experience of being a man only, any difference in personalities that would be due to the "woman" part is sort of saying that women and men have "innate differences."


 No.95947


 No.95948

I hope we get an episode where the Doctor wears Victoria’s dress that Sarah wore in Pyramids of Mars


 No.95949

File: 8b84cd6a80eee34⋯.png (118.63 KB, 436x398, 218:199, GenderCritical.PNG)

>>95946

>hurr durr there is no difference between the sexes


 No.95950

>>95943

>would inherently react differently to situations, "like a woman", compared to the doctor as a man reacting "like a man"

Gender essentialism has nothing to do with the argument. The Doctor's received experience of life will be different depending on whether she is male or female, because she is frequently going to be in stories where people respond to her (even subtly) differently based on that. This will have an effect on her actions and characterisation. The danger is not that she won't be made to "react like a woman would", but that the stories will be completely deaf to how the Doctor's gender impacts the way she is received by the world and must respond to it.


 No.95951

>>95947

>>95946

That being said, I'd love to see Yaz and 13 have a moment where they discuss or it's shown that they approach being a woman differently, since Yaz has lived with dealing being a woman for years, whereas 13 just started being a woman.

>>95949

One can believe that there are average differences between genders, and that trans people can have gender dysphoria that is valid, while believing that can be such a wide range of women and men, that overall you can write a female Thirteen or a male Thirteen essentially the same way in how they react.


 No.95952

>>95949

""Actual"" trans people experience body dysphoria, which is outside the realm of gender despite transness being classed as a gender issue. People who transition purely because they think their personality better aligns with stereotypes of the other gender are misguided, but if identifying and presenting themselves as the other gender makes them feel more comfortable and happy then who really cares


 No.95953

Life is just this


 No.95954

>>95950

key phrase being "will be". She can't start off that way because she won't have had those experiences so they don't exist to guide her judgement.


 No.95955

>>95952

Phil fake trans


 No.95956

honestly you completely diminish the narrative struggle of women when you assume that sex plays no role in how an individual acts. What is the point then of the male/female dynamic? why does it exist so repeatedly in media?

Doctor who has been pinned on the male/female dynamic forever, and by assuming that the doctor/companion hasn't made subconscious decisions and actions based on their sex, you're completely destroying a huge amount of subtext and commentary on power dynamic.

sure, you CAN write men and women as copy pastes of each other with altered personalities, but why the fuck would you?


 No.95957

>>95956

Based


 No.95958

>>95956

>What is the point then of the male/female dynamic? why does it exist so repeatedly in media?

Institutional sexism.


 No.95959

>>95950

>stories will be completely deaf to how the Doctor's gender impacts the way she is received by the world and must respond to it.

I mean, that's what rewrites are for. Also, the Doctor's usually ignored or disbelieved, before they prove right or are allowed to help anyway. It'll be an additional obstacle, but the Doctor will still save the world, because saving the world is more important than capitulating to idiots.


 No.95960

>>95958

Fag feline


 No.95961

>I want a female doctor, it's about time we had a lady take the reigns of the doctor!, he's been a man forever, its time for CHANGE!!! HYPE!!!

>but i dont want to see that reflected in the writing at all, the show should remain the EXACT same

>>95958

sure you could say that, but you're then completely ignoring all feminist media takes on the male/female dynamic


 No.95962

>>95959

Just save the fucking world the way only a woman would


 No.95963

Like moffat said, you present your ideal version of the world and in doing so you bring it forth. By skipping over gender/sex stereotypes, they will be presenting an ideal version of the world (while still calling out archaic beliefs in stories set in the past).

Kids exposed to a doctor who (and other media) where men and women have no inherent difference will start seeing the real world that way too, and over time society will be better off.

Forcing doctor who to continually address inherent cultural differences between men and women just reinforces a harmful feedback loop. They need to break free from it.


 No.95964

>>95954

Okay (well, okay until about episode 3 maybe). And still none of it happens to begin with if the stories are written as though she were still a man, or adopt a new flat policy of "ignoring gender" because she's now female. See why people are so verged by the detail about Chib not telling the writers her gender?


 No.95965

>>95963

Another Cletus


 No.95966

imagine watching broadchurch (esp series 3) and thinking the sex of the characters played zero part in how they or the narrative acted out.


 No.95967

>>95964

I wonder


 No.95968

>>95965

Did you even read my post? What kind of cletus wants to abolish gender stereotypes from the public consciousness?


 No.95969

>>95968

The placeholder Cletus


 No.95970

The Great Gender War of September 2018


 No.95971

>>95966

Muh male abortion


 No.95972

>>95956

>What is the point then of the male/female dynamic? why does it exist so repeatedly in media?

Cultural forces and unexamined use of tropes, as well as lazy writing.

>you're completely destroying a huge amount of subtext and commentary on power dynamic.

Arguably, the best Doctor/companion relationships are one where the male/female dynamic is transcended.

Also, what is the male/female dynamic of "Two/Jamie"? Or, "Eight/Fitz"?

>you CAN write men and women as copy pastes of each other with altered personalities, but why the fuck would you?

Why wouldn't you?

Honestly, people would read in a "male/female" dynamic anyway. If a man helps a kid up with gentle words, he's being "paternal." If a woman does it, it's "maternal." Write the same exact lines, and it'll be read differently.

And the real question: what is the "male/female" dynamic?


 No.95973

>>95972

There are true trans and fakes


 No.95974

>>95963

>Like moffat said, you present your ideal version of the world and in doing so you bring it forth. By skipping over race/ethnicity stereotypes, they will be presenting an ideal version of the world (while still calling out archaic beliefs in stories set in the past).

>Kids exposed to a doctor who (and other media) where white people and minorities have no inherent difference will start seeing the real world that way too, and over time society will be better off.

>Forcing doctor who to continually address inherent cultural differences between white people and minorities just reinforces a harmful feedback loop. They need to break free from it.

Boy oh boy i sure can't wait for S11 to not mention once that 13's companions are black and indian, not once, not at all.

Remember when "colorblindness" was considered to be an actual goal of the civil rights movement? Nowadays it's universally recognized as a signal for unwokeness. What makes you think your ideal "gender blindness" is any different?


 No.95975

>>95964

> still none of it happens to begin with if the stories are written as though she were still a man

Only the initial scripts. Rewrites were almost certainly done.

>adopt a new flat policy of "ignoring gender" because she's now female.

The thing is, no one was ignoring gender when it was a male Doctor. But now we have a woman Doctor, it's "ignoring gender" unless we tell people it's a women they're writing. As if "male Doctor" is a default, but ignoring gender when it's a "woman Doctor" damages the scripts.


 No.95976

>>95974

Rosa fucking back of the bus Parks


 No.95977

>>95966

The lived experiences of the characters drove how the they and the narrative acted out. Sex influenced the experiences they had, but sex did not directly control the characters' actions.

What about the junior woman officer at the station who had the role of "questioning the victim's validity"? Stereotypes would dictate that a man would be the one to question if a rape victim was somehow at fault, but chibs intentionally used a woman because such personality traits are not dictated by sex.


 No.95978

>>95972

>"Two/Jamie"? Or, "Eight/Fitz"?

Theres obviously exceptions in the show, but they're only that.

>Why wouldn't you?

because it's boring and limits the opportunity for any real commentary on women AND men. you can't compare the struggles of both without also highlighting the differences.


 No.95979

>>95977

Cletus #4


 No.95980

>>95978

>And the real question: what is the "male/female" dynamic?


 No.95981

>>95980

can't do it justice in text form


 No.95982

>>95981

Do you want to sing about it then? Make a video essay?


 No.95983

>>95981

Fuck a roo mate


 No.95984

>>95982

Cletus #3 again?


 No.95985

>>95980

Phil’s fake


 No.95986

>>95984

I am Cletus prime


 No.95987

File: 4c2db09ddfc3dd9⋯.jpg (27.37 KB, 420x350, 6:5, 41938689_10155934781402252….jpg)

This is the male/female dynamic


 No.95988

>>95987

The cuck is always wrong


 No.95989

>>95982

My name is Gareth


 No.95990

gender blindness is logically consistent with cletuses who say "equal rights equal fights" desu


 No.95991

>kinda calling anyone else a cletus

oh i am laffin


 No.95992

>>95990

Shut cletuses say


 No.95993

>>>95974

>Remember when "colorblindness" was considered to be an actual goal of the civil rights movement? Nowadays it's universally recognized as a signal for unwokeness. What makes you think your ideal "gender blindness" is any different?

Whenever women are asked "how should a writer (especially male) write better female characters?", you know what comes up? Besides "don't write her thinking about her boobs"?

"Write characters first, and then women."

That's what Chibnall seems like he was trying to do. He wanted the screenwriters to write 13 as a person with X personality, while dealing with situations.

When facing down a monster, will 13 being a woman be the foremost thing, or will whether or not she's usually the type to be snarky, or angry, or pleading, be more important?

When comforting a companion, will 13 being a woman be more important, or will it be whether she's a "just get over it" type or a "compassionate 'It's gonna be ok'" type?

When trying to hack a mainframe, will her being a woman be more important, or will it be whether she's a Macgyvering type, or a "lemme trick someone else into doing it for me" type?

I think there are situations where being a woman is important, especially in how she's treated, but for her actual personality, all her other traits are more important in day-to-day Doctoring.


 No.95994

>>95993

You are the biggest Cletus even if you are nigga


 No.95995

>>95993

this 100%


 No.95996


 No.95997

File: cc312edde7df0e1⋯.jpg (24.26 KB, 474x465, 158:155, 1536856777652.jpg)

>>95994

>using a racial slur immediately after accusing someone else of being a cletus

>"b-but I used the 'a' version and not the 'er' version so it doesn't count!


 No.95998

>>95997

I still love ya tho

How Cletus is not a slur as bad as nigga?


 No.95999

>>95987

there is absolutely nothing wrong with men stopping themselves from getting angry in arguments based on a sense of love duty and loyalty to their spouses and society


 No.96000

>>95999

There is everything wrong with an unbalanced power dynamic where you don't treat your spouse as an equal whose opinions are just as valid as yours. If you can't disagree without it turning into a hostile argument you have bigger problems, and acting like a doormat is an unhealthy bandaid.


 No.96001

>>95993

>"Write characters first, and then women."

I guess i just dont see the benefit of this, i agree it makes for "nice" writing but in my eyes it doesn't ring true of anyone trying to write something meaningful, character wise.


 No.96002

>>96000

t. Virgin


 No.96003

>>96001

But choosing perspectives is plot device


 No.96004

>>96002

>putting up with an unhealthy power dynamic because it's the only way you can have someone to fuck

imagine being trapped in such a miserable existence


 No.96005

>>96004

Imagine not fucking to avoid power dynamics


 No.96006

>>95995

>>95993

Thank you.

And yes, the audience will project onto 13 as a woman (aka maybe 13 might be seen as more aggressive or uppity than a man who would say equivalent things, due to prejudices of the audience), but that's up to the audience to figure out. And maybe the scripts can be tweaked to reflect how 13 would be read differently, as a woman.

But for someone writing Thirteen, there would be many other traits more important for her Doctoring, than just being a woman.

>>96001

>i agree it makes for "nice" writing but in my eyes it doesn't ring true of anyone trying to write something meaningful, character wise.

What do you mean, especially by "nice writing"? I suspect I might not be clear with what I'm saying, so explain.


 No.96007

>>96004

When the doctor ignored his principles because river was hot


 No.96008

>>96006

t. Uncle Tom


 No.96009

File: f05aa8f95ca790a⋯.png (412.19 KB, 5000x5000, 1:1, f05aa8f95ca790aaea8177b3c6….png)

Note how only one side of the argument is resorting to adhom labels to dismiss the other side's argument without engaging


 No.96010

>>96009

I think the adhom-people aren't on any side–just trolling.


 No.96011

>>96009

Of your argument can’t fit one sentence, its wrong and bigoted


 No.96012

>>96006

I mean it makes for easier writing, you can make a good doctor who story from the guidelines you've laid out, but not a good character driven story.

Then again i could just be misunderstanding what you're saying.


 No.96013

>>96010

Nuance is gay


 No.96014

>>96012

>but not a good character driven story

Explain why


 No.96015

File: 41f444f5f99b941⋯.jpeg (33.58 KB, 560x407, 560:407, 3F7C71CC-899E-411E-A4A1-B….jpeg)

>>96014

This is a Jew thread now


 No.96016

>>96014

If you make a character before deciding the unalterable features of that character, (i.e age, race, nationality, gender) you miss out on writing for all the nuance that comes with all of those experiences.


 No.96017

2odas here


 No.96018

File: 7571577746ee4f9⋯.jpeg (84.91 KB, 454x600, 227:300, 25C69348-6964-4C34-8FD4-6….jpeg)


 No.96019

>>96016

What if that nuance isn't relevant to the character driven story you want to tell?


 No.96020

File: d03b05096b8d732⋯.jpeg (71.06 KB, 313x470, 313:470, 9368291A-1322-44F4-8AE6-D….jpeg)


 No.96021

>>96019

>What if that nuance isn't relevant to the character driven story you want to tell?

then why make the doctor a woman (biggest change since 2005) now?


 No.96022

File: c78126ca0d1cb54⋯.jpeg (15.57 KB, 201x177, 67:59, B80B9FBF-CDE4-4005-89DF-F….jpeg)


 No.96023

>>96021

Cletus


 No.96024

>>96021

Because representation matters, and putting a woman in a role traditionally held by a man helps reinforce in little girls that their gender does not dictate who they are or who they can become


 No.96025

>>96021

>>96024

by which i mean, why not leave writing the FIRST female doctor to someone who actually wants to take advantage of all the opportunity that change brings?


 No.96026

File: 0b17de977f00767⋯.jpeg (11.13 KB, 520x388, 130:97, D516F16B-9CC4-4AC1-ACD9-8….jpeg)


 No.96027

>>96012

>I mean it makes for easier writing, you can make a good doctor who story from the guidelines you've laid out, but not a good character driven story.

I mean…like, my Cadence Doctor story. Her troubles with a husband who has divorced her for another woman who he was once with and taken the kid she raised back to the bio mom, her being thrust into a role that involves takig on responsibility as a Doctor, having to pretend to have it altogether while facing alien enemies, when she's secretly freaking out…

None of those are gendered troubles. All of that is based on her personality, and those worries and troubles inform her character, before any concept of her gender. I could switch the gender, and you'd have a depressed man whose wife took his kid back to the bio dad, and had to suddenly bluster and pretend to have it altogether while facing alien villains, and forced to take the role and responsibility of the Doctor. Minor tweaks would have to be made, but much about this male Cadence could stay the same.


 No.96028

>>96025

Change my dear

Like it or not


 No.96029

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Do you think she wants to see the struggles and power imbalances of living as a woman?


 No.96030

>>96025

So, when Chibnall said "I will make a new series of Who, but I want to make a female Doctor", you wanted the BBC to say "No, you're not good enough to. Write a male Doctor, or GTFO."


 No.96031

>>96025

Why does "first" matter in any way whatsoever to how they're characterized?


 No.96032

File: 6d29e01b2a9282f⋯.jpeg (75.36 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, 3127546A-3509-4814-9921-7….jpeg)


 No.96033

>>96031

Niggers


 No.96034

>>96027

>None of those are gendered troubles.

which is completely fine, but the difference is chibnall decided to FINALLY make the doctor a woman and I just think that SHOULD be highlighted in the writing.

>>96030

I wanted chibnall to be that person who takes the narrative advantage of having a female doctor. instead of shoving the change to the side.


 No.96035

>>96030

Have a white woman or a nigger, sias rhe BBC


 No.96036

>>96034

>I just think that SHOULD be highlighted in the writing.

I disagree with what you think is necessary to constitute 'highlighting'


 No.96037

>>95993

>>96027

Yes I know what the word "gender blindness" means and I get why it can be useful in writing when you're trying to be like the real world. Just like how in the real world it's so useful to all the companies that are completely blind to gender in the hiring process, and all the twitter users who are completely blind to gender when choosing whether to listen to a person's social commentary! Thank you SO MUCH for sharing this revelation


 No.96038

>>96034

>chibnall to be that person who takes the narrative advantage of having a female doctor

What does "narrative advantage of having a female doctor" look like? Would you give some examples of that?


 No.96039

>>96036

Why not


 No.96040

>>96038

Abortion and period stuff


 No.96041

>>96037

None of that has anything to do with what's being discussed. Don't conflate the issues.


 No.96042

>>96030

Fuck off, no one is saying that, no matter how much you'd like us to. I wanted them to say, "Excellent idea! Keep in mind that we only get one shot at the First Female Doctor. Please tell us about the story you plan on telling that is narratively and/or thematically centered around this reversal of five+ decades of tradition."

If you can't think of a story that would make good thematic use of the main character being gender bent, you're not a writer worth your salt.


 No.96043

>>96042

Fuck off you

Immigrant is our pal


 No.96044

>>96041

Such as?


 No.96045

>>96041

The issue is whether "gender blindness" makes any sense whatsoever. It's as idiotic in fiction writing as it is in those other contexts.


 No.96046


 No.96047

>>96045

Wait just a minute

> all the twitter users who are completely blind to gender when choosing whether to listen to a person's social commentary!

Are you saying that this is a bad thing? Do you actually think it's valid and productive to dismiss someone's commentary by adhom, judging it based on the person's gender, race etc rather than the actual content of the words they say?


 No.96048

>>96047

Why not


 No.96049

>>96037

>in the real world it's so useful to all the companies that are completely blind to gender in the hiring process

I think it can be, on some jobs.

>all the twitter users who are completely blind to gender when choosing whether to listen to a person's social commentary

I didn't say "completely blind". I said "gender as one component, and not always the most important." If there's a twitter thread about, say, harassment in the workplace, the gender of the tweeter might be rather important to knowing the extent of their experience. If it's about, say, a scientific theorem, not only is the gender less important, knowing the gender of the tweeter might obscure your actually taking the concept seriously, on a subconscious level.

Just like writing the Thirteenth Doctor as a man might need you need to tweak some dialogue in rewrites, but when it comes to comforting companions, creating an on-the-fly escape plan, or trying to talk down an enraged Terileptil, not only is other character traits more valable, but knowing the gender might subconsciously affect your writing.


 No.96050

>>96047

Why is that the example you singled out? Do you actually think it's valid and productive to dismiss someone's college or job application by adhom, judging it based on the person's gender, race etc rather than the actual content of the words they say?


 No.96051

>>96050

I asked you a question, don't change the subject.


 No.96052

>>96051

Take easy noob


 No.96053

>>96050

But to answer anyway -

Adhom is fundamentally a debate concept and does not apply to the application for a position. In that context, there are external factors (quotas etc) that influence and control the decision making process. The same external force does not exist in the free debate of ideas.

You are using a gross false equivalency to conflate completely unrelated matters.


 No.96054

>>96053

Maga hat


 No.96055

>>96042

>Please tell us about the story you plan on telling that is narratively and/or thematically centered around this reversal of five+ decades of tradition.

Well…you know what that might look like?

"This is all new to me. New face. New worlds. New times. So, I want to ask, really, really, nicely…would you like to be my new best friends?"

That's acknowledgment right there, in what is assumedly in-show dialogue. Also, the focus on "friends" instead of "companions"–it's being done weirdly, but it is an attempt at seeing the unequal power dynamic of the previous 50 years, and trying out a new, more equal relationship.


 No.96056

>>96055

Completely agree


 No.96057

>>96055

Will never be friends when doctors brain is superior


 No.96058

>>96051

>>96053

Really passing the buck there by citing quotas as an uncontrollable external factor when it sounds like in your ideal world those quotas wouldn't exist in the first place.

My point is that you have one or the other. Gender blindness and race blindness, with all the disgusting history-of-oppression problems that entails, or not being blind to any of those things. Chibnall is promoting the fuck out of 13's womanhood (It's About Time) and giving us stories about oppression throughout history – MLKJ and Rosa Parks; witch trials; India – all reliant on the identities of our main characters. And frankly I'm excited as fuck for the story that tells. But at the same time he's telling his writers to write for 13 as if she's a he. This is inconsistent and looks an awful lot like appeasement for the anti-SJW crowd.

I'm extremely eager to be proven wrong. Just think it's annoying that the people defending this genderblindness are the exact same people who would be defending the opposite if that's what Chibnall had said instead.


 No.96059

>>96058

Gay lord


 No.96061

>>96058

>But at the same time he's telling his writers to write for 13 as if she's a he

Why do you think that the doctor is an inherently male archetype, as opposed to an archetype that can be portrayed by either gender (and just as of yet has only been portrayed by men)?

Chibs said that some first drafts used "she", he explicitly didn't tell them a gender one way or another. He literally, objectively did not tell them to write a male character.


 No.96062

>>96061

In all Greek mythology men made things and women made drama

Prove me wrong


 No.96063

>>96058

>But at the same time he's telling his writers to write for 13 as if she's a he. This is inconsistent and looks an awful lot like appeasement for the anti-SJW crowd.

Writing the initial lines of 13 as a man, and then rewriting, is actually best, as it forces one to think about the changes you make consciously, rather than subconscious biases about women seep into the writing by knowing you're writing for a woman.

>Chibnall is promoting the fuck out of 13's womanhood (It's About Time)

Scully gave many women inspiration to be a real life scientists/cop/etc, just by existing, despite the X-files' plot often not depending on her womanhood. Same for Uhura inspiring scientists, including black women. Just seeing a woman be actively heroic on-screen has a positive documented effect on real life women in terms of representation. Thirteen can just do all the other things the Doctor does usually, in her own 13 way, and it'll be helpful and inspirational, and that deserves to be celebrated.


 No.96064

>>96062

Athena, goddess of war.


 No.96065

>>96063

Don’t go there


 No.96066

>>96065

>Don’t go there

About which part?


 No.96067

>>96066

I'm guessing that's just the bait anon, they've been making random nonspecific comments like that a lot


 No.96068

>>96065

>>96067

He’s not anon, god damn it


 No.96069

go to bed 2oda


 No.96070

>>96066

What about raising kids that does not need any role model on a crappy tv show, delegating again this to parents


 No.96071


 No.96072

>>96071

thanks for noticing ;3


 No.96073

>>96070

>What about raising kids that does not need any role model on a crappy tv show, delegating again this to parents

I mean that'd be nice, and let's work on getting better trained parents too. But getting female reprensentation works well too, so let's do both.


 No.96074

>>96072

I’m 2oda’s father


 No.96075

>>96074

do you give your blessing for us to cuddle and maybe more?


 No.96076

>>96070

"need" doesn't come into it. Kids watch TV shows, and are influenced by the characters in them whether you like it or not. Same applies to whatever youtube e-celebs kids watch these days too. "role model" is a formal way of looking at it, but the fact remains that people replicate the behaviour of people they look up to, especially when they're children.


 No.96077

>>96075

He’s an infant


 No.96078

>>96077

so is that a yes, or…?


 No.96079

>>96076

Based

Slightly


 No.96080

File: 842f271e4926bcc⋯.jpg (33.69 KB, 800x533, 800:533, https_//hypebeast.com/imag….jpg)

DWE?


 No.96081

>>96080

In order

Immigrant, neo, Nilso, Ford, capaldo , cheetah, another nilso, Lym


 No.96082

https://neurosciencenews.com/psychology-shared-reality-9872/

Will doctor who ever address this concept?


 No.96083

File: 3a811992d9719da⋯.jpg (131.92 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, maxresdefault.jpg)

Say the line, /who/!


 No.96084

File: 80455111ccf7bc4⋯.jpg (158.39 KB, 796x1024, 199:256, sx4rjfImuwE.jpg)

Doctor Who looks great on the new cover.


 No.96085

>>96084

>Matt Berry on the magic of the Doctor Who theme

huh, nice


 No.96086

>>96084

>previews of the new episodes

finally

when does it come out?


 No.96087

>>96086

In 3 days

Subscribers will probably leak stuff earlier.


 No.96088

I want 13 written like a real woman.

Ignoring me only to glance over in disgust once an episode


 No.96089

>Previews of the new episodes

It's about time!


 No.96090

>>96088

t. Nilso


 No.96091

File: dbb2198286a3bba⋯.jpg (445.28 KB, 1460x2048, 365:512, briggs.jpg)


 No.96092

>>96091

is this a meme


 No.96093

File: 6f35cc8681ee257⋯.png (1.16 MB, 1080x720, 3:2, 1514468808840.png)


 No.96094

i miss that fella that made weird photoshops because he was verged about the doctor being a lady now. I hope he's back in October


 No.96095

It's about time for a 13th doctor funko pop!


 No.96096

I can't believe the wiki got fucking deleted


 No.96097

>>96096

its fine, it regenerated


 No.96098

Hanging out with Neo

I heard he's in fucking custody


 No.96099

>>96098

If you were hanging out with neo, wouldn’t you know if he was in custody or not instead of “hearing” it?


 No.96100

are there any /who/res who don't feel anything when they listen to music? is it just music or do you feel no emotional connection to other media too? interested in your perspective


 No.96101

I keep seeing people say that series 11 isnt being advertised enough, but like, the press release is on Sunday, so the hype should start then, right? I would imagine that in a couple of weeks we will be swamped with advertising you know?


 No.96102

>>96100

Music I enjoy is usually connected to other media or people. I very rarely properly enjoy and appreciate music "on its own" if that makes sense. I'm complete pleb in music though.


 No.96103

File: 3bdf112d1e3d078⋯.jpg (166.55 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, Screenshot_20180917-100247.jpg)


 No.96104

File: e86c45078d45925⋯.jpg (139.53 KB, 613x656, 613:656, 20180916_203257.jpg)


 No.96105


 No.96106

>>96105

Sounds really good, I'll give that a watch.


 No.96107

>Jodie abandoned the lead role of a show after one season

She pulled an Eccleston. Foreshadowing?


 No.96108

>>96105

Him being Ian’s son still messes with me


 No.96109

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>96100

This doesn't make you feel anything?


 No.96110

>>96102

same to an extent, all of my music tastes have been shaped or directly influenced by other media i like.


 No.96111

William Russell was 64 years old when Alfred was born.


 No.96112

>>96111

wtf really?


 No.96113

>>96111

based


 No.96114

>>96112

Yes William Russel (Enoch) born 1924 and Alfred Enoch 1988


 No.96115

>>96111

>tfw Alfred will have to go through his dad dying at a relatively young age


 No.96116


 No.96117

>>96116

>But its real triumph in this regard comes in the cloister scene, when the entirety of Heaven Sent becomes, in a moment of stunned horror for Clara, an act of mad, stupid, and pointless folly in which the Doctor takes her own notion of “duty of care” and does the most tragic thing imaginable with it, namely exactly what she’d have done. Moffat has called it the best scene in Heaven Sent, and he’s right. It’s utterly shorn of that episode’s self-congratulatory cleverness, instead serving as a simple, brutally human moment.

Actually based opinion there from Sandifer


 No.96118

>>96116

>But Hell Bent marks a peak that Doctor Who itself can never top; a moment when it goes one way and should clearly, blatantly have gone the other. Never mind the degree to which any additional Moffat stories after this arc are superfluous; any other Doctor Who stories are. It’s Clara’s show now; she’s just graciously permitting the Doctor to continue appearing in it.

FUCKING BASED BASED BASED BASED BSAED BASED


 No.96119

>>96115

>implying William Russell won't make it to 110


 No.96120

File: 49f03daacc85850⋯.png (16.3 KB, 324x62, 162:31, jackhonest.png)


 No.96121

>>96120

same tbqh


 No.96122

Moffat killed Doctor Who by making the best episode


 No.96123

File: a83e7c1d1e9c0df⋯.png (345.17 KB, 800x450, 16:9, time crash.png)

>>96122

time crash wasnt THAT good


 No.96124

File: b6a12b46bf25781⋯.png (184.57 KB, 288x408, 12:17, big_issue.png)


 No.96125

>>96124

The Moffags will find something to complain about this image


 No.96127

>>96125

le strawman


 No.96128

>>96100

I listen to genres based on either the mood I'm in or want to be in. Music is inherently emotional and you can take advantage of it to reinforce or control your emotions


 No.96129

>The consensus here is clear: Heaven Sent is a brilliant and emotional triumph, while Hell Bent is a hot mess. To an extent I can’t even argue with this. Hell Bent is unequivocally messy, and it has Jenna Coleman in that blue-grey sweater

what did she mean by this?


 No.96130

>>96129

>Not liking the Hybrid jumper


 No.96131

>>96129

It would seem to be a slight against the sweater, which I find baffling because I thought that was unanimously liked.


 No.96132

>>96131

It reads more like she's calling clara hot, since the "mess" part of "hot mess" is addressed with the first part of the sentence


 No.96133

>>96132

OHHHH, well spotted.


 No.96134

> Moffat’s intentionality here is fuzzy—I actually ended up in a polite argument with him on some mutual friend’s Facebook page about this in which he defended the Doctor’s mindwipe of Donna which concluded with a very him statement to the effect of “who among us hasn’t postponed important conversations in order to set up our ex with alternate versions of ourselves.”

tfw ywn see liz and moffat debate doctor who


 No.96135

File: 57ea72777abcdc8⋯.jpg (228.55 KB, 901x1200, 901:1200, DbvZ49EWsAA8ry1.jpg)

>It’s Clara’s show now; she’s just graciously permitting the Doctor to continue appearing in it.

clara who!!!


 No.96136

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Theme song of this thread


 No.96137

>>96083

>It's coming home


 No.96138

>>96091

They're doing Bond audios now? Interesting.

I listened to the audiobook of Casino Royale, the actual novels (particularly the Flemming ones) are so radically different from the films it's kinda staggering.


 No.96139

>>96138

Lol u got dabbed on EPIC STYLE.


 No.96140

File: c14cd9c4d849abd⋯.jpg (72.41 KB, 500x608, 125:152, The Grand Moff.jpg)

>>96125

The lighting on her face and the gradient behind her are backwards from each other. Chinball OUT!


 No.96141

>>96097

Currently in the process of regenerating. The video embeds need to be fixed first. It’s in read-only mode at the moment.


 No.96142

>>96140

sweetie that's called contrast


 No.96144

>>96143

Fuck tagged the wrong post. This website suck on mobile


 No.96145

File: e7fdce4bd239c3f⋯.png (78.87 KB, 908x935, 908:935, 1537182651495.png)

DWE?


 No.96146

>>96132

Huh, as much as I hate to say anything good about Liz, that was admittedly a pretty clever joke


 No.96147

>>96138

>the actual novels (particularly the Flemming ones) are so radically different from the films it's kinda staggering.

they are? interesting. I'd like to see what Big Finish do with it


 No.96148

>>96145

any tripfag with a deep, dark secret


 No.96149

>>96145

Rory finding out Amy’s been thinking of the doctor while they have sex


 No.96150

>>96147

The cover was a meme, my guy.


 No.96151

>>96145

What happens if we let Judy have a muse.


 No.96152


 No.96153

>>96151

>tfw /who/ has no more muse


 No.96154

>>96147

Fleming is much less of a romantic writer than your typical hollywood screenwriter, in both senses of the word, so his Bond is much more focused on particulars of the mission than on some grand adventure or sense of saving the world. And maybe this is just the case for Casino Royale, but he's also a lot more invested in minutiae as a writer, a considerable part of the text just concerns Bond's particular training and briefing, how he communicates with his handlers, how his work is funded, things like that.

Weird direction to take it, but it reminds me a lot of Alpha Protocol in that respect.


 No.96155

>>96152

It wasn’t a real cover. It was a concept.


 No.96156

>>96155

The Bond is abstract?


 No.96157

>>96156

Not real.


 No.96158

File: 7db0819e5f49fca⋯.gif (917.3 KB, 500x282, 250:141, Bonds James Bonds.gif)

>>96147

>>96150

Big Finish couldn't afford the Bond license, and I shudder to imagine what they'd do with it if they had it, but I could see them doing at least some decent adaptations of the original books. Grab Sean Connery while he's still alive and shove him in the booth with a sack full of cash.

Actually, now I'm picturing Big Finish advertising a huge anniversary special featuring all the Bonds on an adventure, Light At The End style.


 No.96159

>>96153

Does Neo not count


 No.96160

>>96159

A muse can only be a woman because only a woman knows what it's like to be a woman


 No.96161

>>96160

Bit transphobic


 No.96162

>>96159

a muse inspires creativity, not boredom, so neo does not count


 No.96163

That glass ceiling trailer was a bit naff, but I would have liked it if it was incorporated into the show. If she fell through an actual glass ceiling on her descent from the stratusphere, I would have said that literally smashing a glass ceiling in her first scene was a kino detail. in that teaser however, im like… meh


 No.96164

File: 7a08e2b3f773d14⋯.jpg (215.06 KB, 1344x749, 192:107, COMIN AT YOU.jpg)

>>96163

>Wanting her to be even more like David Tennant


 No.96165

File: 98419e5ecb99bf6⋯.gif (1.01 MB, 265x200, 53:40, breaking the glass ceiling.gif)

>>96164

nah, I'm hoping for her to be like Tom Baker


 No.96166

>>96164

I could have sworn this was a gif and ended with him smashing through the ceiling, weird. Just didn't look very closely when I picked it out.


 No.96167

>>96166

I assumed it would be a gif, and clicked on it to see him fall, so I totally get you


 No.96168

File: 6e33db2fe64ff72⋯.jpg (264.55 KB, 750x862, 375:431, DWM-530d.jpg)

Subscribers get less at Doctor Who Magazine. This is the retail version.


 No.96169

>>96168

what's the difference between them?


 No.96170

>>96169

Subscribers only get the issue.


 No.96171

>>96124

>>96168

Is every new pic with her going to be draped in this lighting?


 No.96172

>>96168

is this exclusive to WH Smith?


 No.96173

>>96161

more like terfpilled


 No.96174

>>96171

they're just from the same photoshoot sweetie


 No.96175

>>96174

bit defensive


 No.96176

>>95898

You are brilliant and I count myself very lucky to talk with you.

>>95913

He's a great actor and the movie sounds cool.

>>96116

Fantastic piece and I want to see N8's take on the idea Clara and Me will go back to Gallifrey in quite a violent fashion.

>>95866

I will make record myself thwacking a live deathworm if this post isn't Morph, because it is the Morphiest ranking I have ever seen in my life.

>>95939

I'll have a think, I haven't seen them as recently.

>>96154

Great take and I absolutely agree. I wish Alpha Protocol got some sort of remaster that smoothed it out a bit because it's so fantastic and revolutionary but draped in a shell that's genuinely clunky and difficult to grapple with.


 No.96177


 No.96178

>>96177

Why is a white british man a visual presentation that is inherently in a position of power in the grand scheme of the universe?


 No.96179

>>95939

I haven't seen most Hartnell serials for genuinely over a decade so I don't feel comfortable doing a full ranking, but I can tell you the most highly ranked would be The Edge of Destruction, and my other favourites are Marco Polo, The Rescue, The Crusade, The Tenth Planet (I really think there's a lot of meat on that bone, and it being an event episode obscures how much is going on under its hood), An Unearthly Child (ep1, though I think there is merit in 2-4), The Myth Makers, The Web Planet, The Reign of Terror (underrated), The Romans, The Gunfighters, The Aztecs, and The Rescue I suppose.


 No.96180


 No.96181

1) Do you think Doctor Who should end?

2) Do you think Doctor Who will end?


 No.96182

>>96181

Yes / Yes


 No.96183

File: f6f71e0cb9650ca⋯.png (2.49 KB, 28x28, 1:1, feelscomfyman.png)

>>96179

>listing The Rescue twice


 No.96184

>>96181

Yes, yes.


 No.96185

>>96183

I'm so tired lmao


 No.96186

>>96179

Based taste in Hartnell's.


 No.96187

>>96180

The Pandorica Opens


 No.96188

>>96181

Depends on what we consider "ending".

If it's the same way it ended in 1989 with Survival, then sure, that seems to be inevitable.

If you mean a complete end to the entire franchise and ethos, I don't think it's desirable or possible.


 No.96189

>>96186

Is yours pretty similar?


 No.96190

>>96180

>exploiting us to get more views on this trash

Fuck off.


 No.96191

>>96178

Poor counter argument. This is a show that's made on Earth, often set on Earth, and which features human companions. Again, it's a question of themes rather than narrative.


 No.96192

>>96189

Yes, very! I think Reign of Terror is pretty bad though, but I have Marco Polo and Edge of Destruction at my top 3 for sure. I consider season 1 to be best Hartnell season and arguably best black and white season even if sometimes i'm overly sour on Sensorites and Keys of Marinus.


 No.96193

Which potential 5th Doctor TARDIS team would have been the most / least based?

>5, Romana 2, Adric

>5, Romana 2, Adric and Tegan

>5, Romana 2 and Tegan

>5, Romana 2, Tegan and Nyssa

>5, Romana 2 and Nyssa

>Normal 5 TARDIS team


 No.96194

>>96193

Romana 2, Nyssa would be Kino


 No.96195

>>96193

>5, Romana 2 and Nyssa

It's probably this one. Although I'd be willing to bring in Tegan as well.


 No.96196

>>96193

Adric and Turlough


 No.96197

>>96193

5, Romana 2, Adric, Nyssa, Tegan, Turlough, Peri, and Mel.


 No.96198

>>96192

I generally like Hartnell's stuff better, but I think The War Games and The Mind Robber are the best b/w episodes (with Edge coming in third).

>>96193

I'd be interested in

>5, Romana 2, Tegan and Nyssa

if you could remove 5 from it.


 No.96199

>>96193

5, Peri and Nyssa.


 No.96200

>>96198

Based and redpilled answer. 5 and Romana 2 is inherently unworkable because Romana would steal the show from right under 5's nose.


 No.96201

>>96200

Good point, they’d work better with somebody like 4 or 6


 No.96202

Clara/Romana 2 series


 No.96203

Does anyone have tips for getting over a cold as quickly as possible


 No.96204

>>96180

Kill the Moon


 No.96205

How do you feel about the inevitable EU post-TDF nardole stories?


 No.96206


 No.96207

File: a32b9f6d1a30968⋯.jpg (58.04 KB, 945x630, 3:2, jodiestylistinterview.jpg)

Jodie looks good in Hartnell's outfit.


 No.96208

>>96203

Sleep a lot.


 No.96209

>>96205

Any Nardole/Hazran fanfic yet?


 No.96210

>>96205

I too am ready for Nardole's Final Moments written by Matt Fitton.


 No.96211

>>96205

At this point I'd say Doctor Who is Nardole's show, he's just graciously allowing the Doctor to continue starring in it.


 No.96212

>>96198

Edge of Destruction benefits greatly from being in B&W. AU where Lalla Ward was cast as the 5th Doctor instead of being cast as Romana 2? Kino as fuck if you ask me, Lalla Ward is one of, if not the best actresses to be in a companion role alongside Jacqueline Hill, Caroline John, Elisabeth Sladen, Alex Kingston, Catharine Tate, and Freema Aygeman.

>>96205

Fine with it.


 No.96213

>>96210

I was thinking it would be more along the lines of "nardole didn't die on the mondasian ship somehow and has his own adventures in space" because the EU has to ruin everything good


 No.96214

Warriors' Gate (Romana)

Hell Bent (Clara)

Any other points where a companion left the show to have a more interesting and exciting adventure than the Doctor, but we were stuck following the Doctor afterwards anyway?


 No.96215

>>96212

Now that's an interesting opinion, do you really think Freema is very good? I always considered her one of the weaker actresses of new who and I like both Martha and Freema very much.


 No.96216

>>96214

Age of Steel (Mickey)


 No.96217

>>96205

Extremely negative, but the EU plugging holes that work best unplugged is inevitable so I'm resigned to it. So much of what works (for me at least) about the colony ship is how it functions as a kind of microcosm scale (timescale!) model of the universe; the looming inevitability of death/extinction represented by the advancing technological progress/dehumanisation/weaponisation below (Cybs). Nardole is already special/Doctor-adjacent enough that he'll outlive a few generations of the humans he's protected but inevitability he should die too. If he gets a pass off the ship, not just 12 and Bill, it bottoms out the episode's story imo, lowering the stakes and making the villagers just regular cannon fodder instead of meaningful human life. Nardole isn't human (is even a cyborg in fact) but retains his humanity for generations to protect humans while knowing perfectly well eventually all of them perish - this feels like the perfect fulfillment of 12's speech in TDF to me, which works beautifully for the 12/Nardole relationship and especially their last conversation together. I am not one of the "the companion should die!!!" folks, I loved the Hell Bent turnaround, but I do genuinely think there are a very few cases where the companion somehow surviving doesn't do the story or the character any favours.

>>96212

I wonder if Who will ever do a b/w ep again, presumably for story/presentation reasons. Could be interesting.

>>96214

The Girl Who Never Was


 No.96218

>>96217

Come on, Chibnall, give us your Postmodern Prometheus and all will be forgiven.

I was joking at the start of that sentence but halfway through I convinced myself that would actually be really fun.


 No.96219

>>96214

Adam Mitchell "I've got a hole in me head" adventures


 No.96220

>>96215

I think that Freema is quite a solid actress outside of DW who didn't give too much of a brilliant showing when she was in it. If I would have had my own way I'd have had her in Series 4 as a full time companion.


 No.96222

File: 44709ebd189f84a⋯.jpg (37.47 KB, 200x200, 1:1, dwmr243_thequantumpossibil….jpg)

Briggs, the absolute MADMAN


 No.96223

>>96222

This might be the most ridiculous BF cover I've ever seen.


 No.96224

>>96222

>immigrant writes possibility engine story for 2.5 featuring alt7 doc

>briggs writes possibility engine story a few months later

Have we been conned? Was Immigrant Briggs the whole time?!?!?


 No.96225

>>96222

>dogbolter

>no frobisher

Hacks, all of them. Is Jezek THAT hard to get back?


 No.96226

File: 9b71a3aa1bd3fbf⋯.jpg (1.23 MB, 3024x4032, 3:4, 1537192887226.jpg)

DWE?


 No.96228

>>96226

That's a Y I K E S ! from me.


 No.96229

>>96226

delete this


 No.96230

>>96226

The Ponds


 No.96231

>>96203

Drink orange juice if you don’t already


 No.96232

>>96226

The letter format is weirder than the stipulations, honestly. If you really need to play a game for a whole week you should be able to talk to your wife about it face to face.


 No.96233

>>96232

but how are you meant to post a conversation with your wife to reddit?


 No.96234

>>96231

>drinking flavored sugar water

shiggy doo


 No.96235

File: cce0cfbde1d71f7⋯.png (1.46 MB, 750x1334, 375:667, Why I can't play D&D anymo….png)


 No.96236

>>96214

Hand of Fear


 No.96237

>>96235

The absolute S T A T E


 No.96238


 No.96239

>>96235

abolish heterosexuality


 No.96240

>>96235

The annotations seem like they’ve been done by his new girlfriend he’s shown this crazy letter to


 No.96242

>>96240

I think it's the same girlfriend, just trying to decorate the letter to make it look pretty and cute like her


 No.96243

what has /who/ been watching recently?

i've been watching brooklyn nine nine, it's not terrible desu


 No.96244

>>96242

I might be misreading but some of them (naughty naughty) seem to be mocking the letter and The :) after I KILL YOU


 No.96245

>>96243

Watching The Thick of It for the first time. I'm two episodes into Series 3 (so I've just been past "I am bent" and the missing immigration data episode). It's so fucking good.


 No.96246

>>96245

absolute kino, it seriously exists in a void. ive never been able to find a similar show with even half the quality of the thick of it


 No.96247

>>96244

'naughty naughty' just sounds like a playful taunt, and the :) after I KILL YOU is just to change the tone of it from an actual threat sounding thing to an 'I can be vicious tee hee' joke


 No.96248

>>96243

Brooklyn Nine Nine unironically makes me go WHERE'S THE BLOODY JOKES


 No.96249

File: e287734ca54fbfa⋯.jpg (53.26 KB, 482x389, 482:389, Capture.jpg)


 No.96250

>>96249

Can Big Finish scrape the barrel further than Jenny, Christina and River?


 No.96251

>>96250

Should add the River is specifically pre-Silence in the Library Doctor stories with River


 No.96252

I stop myself from watching shows because it means I'm not being productive but then I also end up not getting work done anyway so I end up staying in multiple 4chan threads while feeling generally unsatisfied by being so withholding

even if I gave in and watched something I'd just feel bad


 No.96253

Is the future going to be all girl?


 No.96254

>>96250

donna's mum meets jackie


 No.96255

>>96135

who is this semen demon?

ouch


 No.96256

>>96203

Zinc, vitamin c, sauna, and lots of water. Hope you feel better soon.


 No.96257

>>96231

>>96208

>>96256

Thanks guys, will do. The saunas are always fun here, to be surrounded by the naked old Koreans.

>>96243

I saw Mandy the other night, fucking kino.

>>96245

I am interested to know if we have the same favourite episode but I'm waiting until you finish the show before saying mine.

>>96252

I've been there, it's the fucking worst, I just try to get whatever productive stuff I need done out of the way, then I feel like I can actually do whatever leisure thing I want, and I end up enjoying that more than wasting time in threads or whatever (which I can go do afterwards anyway). Self sabotage, we're all programmed to do it. When you're just on the web you haven't specifically blocked out a 2hr unit of time for a movie or whatever so it feels okay to do, but you'll end up spending that long doing nothing anyway. I (and probably you) can't bring myself to watch a movie in spite of that, so just getting the productive shit out of the way is the best strategy I think. Not that you were asking for advice…just sharing my thoughts because I really relate.


 No.96258

>>96243

Catching up on this season of Better Call Saul


 No.96259

>>96258

>it's a Mike waits in the car for 50 minutes episode


 No.96260

>>96257

In S3E2, Malcolm literally calls Ollie Morph. I couldn't believe my fucking ears.


 No.96261

>>96260

Legendary Moments of /who/


 No.96262

>>96248

>>96243

B99 is comfy….I just finished series 2 of travelers, was pretty good, great little scifi time travel show.

I've been being forced to watch "Once upon a time". It's kind of growing on and it pains and irks me to to no end. New season of VB too, which has been disappointingly just ok.

>>96252

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. Allow yourself X amount of time a day, or x amt of time 1 day a week for just being a vegetable and consuming shitty tv. If you make time to just fuck off and do whatever to sate whatever makes one fuck off, you can use the rest of the time you need to be productive, will be more productive, or of higher quality.

>>96258

>Better Call Saul

How is it versus BB?I like odenkirk, very much from Mr. Show and BB was great iirc.


 No.96263

>>96256

>Zinc, vitamin c, sauna, and lots of water. Hope you feel better soon.

Also know as reverse soy milk


 No.96264

>>96262

Better Call Saul is much, much, much better than BB, but even though they share the same setting/loads of the same characters/most of the same crew, they are really different shows under the hood, so some BB fans mightn't like it much (and vice versa). Much slower, more characterbased. Odenkirk is amazing in it, and the Jimmy>Saul transmorphation is a lot more interesting and dynamic than Walt>Heisenberg imo. It really is muuuuch slower though, which puts a lot of people off.


 No.96265

I brought my mum that Neil Gaiman book about milk that Paul Cornell made "a toast in soy milk!" for. Apparently it's cute.


 No.96266

>transmorphation


 No.96267

>>96265

redpill


 No.96268

>>96259

the episode when Mike works as a security consultant is top kino

>>96262

BCS is a different beast to BB. Starts off slow with more comedy moments but as the seasons go on it gets heavier with its character drama. Its slowly starting to catch up with the BB timeline now and introducing more old favorites Gale in the last one I watched

The Jimmy to Saul transformation is depressing to watch


 No.96269

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

 No.96270

>>96269

was he being ironic or genuine?


 No.96271

What happened to Saul in the end of BB? I forgot


 No.96272

Eltonilso


 No.96273

>>96270

Genuine.

>>96271

He used the criminal witness protection equivalent to fuck off out of Albuquerque, with a new identity. Better Call Saul actually has post-Breaking Bad segments that show what ended up happening to him after Breaking Bad; it's not just a prequel.


 No.96274

>>96271

he got a new identity from the vacuum cleaner salesman

Better Call Saul explains in greater detail


 No.96275

BC spoilers tfw BCS will end up being prequel, sidequel, midquel, and sequel


 No.96276

>>96264

>>96268

Hm! That's pretty glowing. I'll have to put it on my list. Odenkirk to me seemed like the most talented actor from Mr. Show, but seemed to end up with the lowest profile/celebrity. Good stuff, thanks guys.


 No.96277

Could Doctor Who pull off the Better Call Saul move of giving the title character about 50% of the screentime, and giving 50% screentime to a closely related character nonetheless mostly in their own sidestory?


 No.96278

>>96275

Better Call Saul 2099 starring SaulBot3000


 No.96279


 No.96280

>>96278

A sleazy robot lawyer is a pretty cool concept desu.


 No.96281

>>96243

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Luther


 No.96282

>>96279

What an age that was.

Too bad it's all gone now.


 No.96283

>>96253

we can only hope


 No.96284

>>96279

>>96282

Kinoisseur still has no bio


 No.96285


 No.96286

A photo of President Donald Trump was displayed in the episode 'The Lie of the Land'. President Trump has also been mentioned in dialogue multiple times, negatively in 'The Pyramid at the End of the World', and positively in 'The Doctor Falls'.


 No.96287

I think every example of it is collected here https://fuckofferino.wiki/wiki/My_name_is_Donald


 No.96288

>>96286

>positively in 'The Doctor Falls'.

????


 No.96289

File: d2118bbd7127eac⋯.jpg (109.6 KB, 635x737, 635:737, 1537196669504.jpg)

DWE?


 No.96290

>>96288

not positively.

>inevitable, like smartphones, sewage, and Donald Trump


 No.96291

what if jodie gets #metoo'd


 No.96292

File: c50e91b529f8203⋯.jpg (149.08 KB, 1280x640, 2:1, p04cj8q5[1].jpg)


 No.96293

>>96290

smartphones and sewage are both good things. It stands to reason that the third thing in the list is similarly positive.


 No.96294

>>96291

what if bradders does?

what if chibs does?


 No.96295

>>96291

what if chibbs is #metoo'd 10 days before premiere and s11 is canned

we can only hope


 No.96296


 No.96297

>>96290

>>96288

The argument is that there's a kind of fondness lilt to how 12 says them - smartphones as a negative (12 is well known for disliking them), sewage as a neutral (gross but admirable feat of engineering, 12 has a wary respect for sewers as shown in TWF), then a scale from negative to neutral can be read as going to positive, eg. Trump. Alternatively, everything could be read as good there, as >>96293

says


 No.96298

>>96293

I cant argue with that actually


 No.96299

File: 1ade545dac22ebc⋯.jpg (219.52 KB, 861x1200, 287:400, tardis team.jpg)


 No.96300

File: 8a44016901c1d43⋯.png (994.15 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 1506013649462.png)

I'd unironically LOVE it if Big Finish did a story covering the strange case of President Trump's hair colour in Extremis.


 No.96301

>>96300

that is because it is not him, duh

(also it was VR)


 No.96302

>>96299

yikes that's right up there with the S2 images as a contender for worst looking promo

is it real or just fanart someone's using to promote themselves?


 No.96303

>>96291

I'm a little surprised that DW has seen none of the backlash.


 No.96304

>>96299

the grain on the tardis looks unusual here to me

>>96302

it was made by someone called "willbrooks1989" according to the many watermarks


 No.96305

>>96299

Fuck me thats some lens flare


 No.96306

>>96301

Steven Moffat is on the record as saying they waited until the 2016 election results before narrowing down what President to use in the ep. That he chickened out on making the likeness too close is understandable, since it would overshadow the rest of the ep in the media (I think the solution would just have to not shown his face…show his legs poking out under a desk or something).


 No.96307

>>96299

>>96305

Fucking Abrams.


 No.96308

>>96303

>>96291

not first time

Remember when Saville fixed that kid in the TARDIS


 No.96309

>>96306

He would chicken out of killing hillary too

imagine the backlash


 No.96310

File: ded0e70b5167b5c⋯.jpg (1.84 MB, 2560x1920, 4:3, 1536596861017.jpg)


 No.96311

https://old.reddit.com/r/doctorwhocirclejerk/comments/9gkqpf/because_they_gave_dwgeneral_the_old_yeller/

https://old.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/9gjbok/rgallifreys_no_stupid_questions_moronic_mondays/e64mmt4/

>>96116

>>96176

What a phenomenal essay. I was indeed surprised with how much I agreed with it; Sandifer's been on a roll lately.

"Clara and Me will do what the Doctor couldn't and destroy Gallifrey at the end of their long way round" is the kind of headcanon that I'll be proud to wear. Can't wait for Big Finish to ruin it in 20 years

>>96214

The Ancestor Cell (Compassion)

The Dying Days is kind of the opposite of this.


 No.96312

File: 510cfc715c01451⋯.png (311.96 KB, 635x318, 635:318, lens flare.PNG)

File: 8f10c9a579228a6⋯.png (277.2 KB, 637x316, 637:316, torch.PNG)

>>96305

well strap in dude, because the new lens theyre using is ripe for lens flares. S11 is gonna be a fucking JJ Abrams movie


 No.96313

>>96312

I will watch s11 on 4:3 black and white blurry filter, mate


 No.96314

>>96308

I'm sure he just took him into the wardrobe to look at his rings made of glass eyes stolen from corpses. I was referring to a doctor or someone in production. YOU JUST KNOW there was monkey business afoot. Troughton had alot of "fun".


 No.96315

>>96313

recreate the 2005 cumlens by making a "tribute" to jodie on your laptop screen at the star of every episode


 No.96316

>>96289

what are the odds that someone who would eventually become a supreme court nominee had a sexual encounter nearly 30 years prior with someone who would eventually become not only a well known professor, but also an activist who's completely ideologically opposed to the SCOTUS nominee.

im not making any claims here but the odds of that are fucking insane


 No.96317

>>96312

Goddamn it.

>>96313

Can you share?


 No.96318

>>96311

>Is it worth setting up a campaign song to get it back? "General in Distress"?

Oh, the laughs.


 No.96319

File: 53876f1349cdd8f⋯.jpg (8.36 KB, 309x312, 103:104, 1285009099362.jpg)

>>96312

No sir, I don't like it.


 No.96320

File: 79e2527156c0867⋯.png (884.22 KB, 1250x1037, 1250:1037, ClipboardImage.png)

>>96312

>tfw watching S11


 No.96321

>>96316

Fairly good, actually.


 No.96322

>>96311

Yeah I've been surprised to see you so Sandy positive lately but indeed she's been doing great work. I'm very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very hype for her reviews+podcasts on S11 as it airs. I imagine we'll both find them quite cathartic. What are your thoughts on Loz' legendary Twitter reaction to the Jodie announcement?

Are you intentionally gonna remove any links on Reddit to the new wiki, or…what's your thoughts there?


 No.96323

>>96321

explain, i seriously can't understand how this can happen


 No.96324

>>96316

>someone who would eventually become a supreme court nominee

People who rape don't get into positions of power?

>not only a well known professor, but also an activist

People who get raped don't become professors? Professors never do activism?

>completely ideologically opposed to the SCOTUS nominee

All this requires is being a woman who'd like to hang on to her rights…I know you're an anti-abortion type Kinda but this nonsense is stunning even by your standards


 No.96325

>>96316

I'd say being sexually assaulted is probably a good push to put someone in that kind of work. You'd probably have a stronger opinion on say abortion if you were ever raped and struggled with the possibility of what that may produce.


 No.96326

>>96303

There's this but it's pre-metoo and kind of went under the radar, I'm not sure that richard franklin ever commented on it

http://www.matthewman.org/david/diary/87summer.htm


 No.96327

>>96324

>>someone who would eventually become a supreme court nominee

>People who rape don't get into positions of power?

>>not only a well known professor, but also an activist

>People who get raped don't become professors? Professors never do activism?

neither of these, consider how few people make it that far in life, the odds of two from that same elite group having an encounter like that before either of them potentially even knew what they wanted to be seems mental.

>All this requires is being a woman who'd like to hang on to her rights…I know you're an anti-abortion type Kinda but this nonsense is stunning even by your standards

women can't be anti-abortion?

>>96325

that's a good point


 No.96328

File: cc312edde7df0e1⋯.jpg (24.26 KB, 474x465, 158:155, 1536856777652.jpg)

>tfw we've re-entered the "teal and orange" era of color grading


 No.96329

>>96317

>Can you share?

you can get that messing up on VLC filters


 No.96330

>>96300

The entire script:

SCENE In the Tardis

"Doctor, why is his hair color off?"

"He wears a wig, Bill"

The end.

Bonus story when you subscribe for the low low cost of 179.99!


 No.96331

>>96323

I'm gonna harm your view of the world here, Kinda, but a big part of it is the fact that the United States is extremely socially stratified. Powerful and rich people don't just pop up out of nowhere. They travel in circles. Even people you wouldn't think came from wealth and privilege tend to come from there. Remember Billy Bush? He's one of the actual Bushes.


 No.96332

>>96330

It needs to be his most deadpan exhausted reading possible.


 No.96333

>>96327

>neither of these, consider how few people make it that far in life, the odds of two from that same elite group having an encounter like that before either of them potentially even knew what they wanted to be seems mental.

Theyre the same class then? would be more odd if they werent. rich people know rich people, and have connections that help get them a push in life


 No.96334

>>96331

on this, did the two of them both go to the same high school? and if they did is that school known for pumping out people like that?


 No.96335

H O P E

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H O P E

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 No.96343




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