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SD can be buffed a million times over and still never get picked.

"Wait, who's that? Shadow Demon? That's a hero!?"

>>3622

Used to be a core essential in the PL/Lifestealer meta because he fucked up both heroes pretty badly.

i like the hero but every time i pick it my team does the most retard shit and even if i outplay every enemy player 3 times i will still lose

also you DO need an aghs to apply break

but you also don't seem to know how break works, it doesn't disable nightstalker's passive

nor is it particularly good against ember

multicast is also not disabled by break

honestly

>>3621

>pa

Yeah dude disruption will save you and all that spammed poison will totally kill pa not like pa's crits can lifesteal yeah your ult can help your carries kill pa im sure random pub carries always focus who they are supposed to focus right im sure pa wont crit your squishy ass to death in a millisecond dude and oh yeah pa never builds bkb. But your ult purges bkb so im SURE the poor support will have enough items to kill/escape pa after purge ends

nice dude

>hero with a skill that is literally a magic damage reducing shield

no

>void

no

>huskar

Are you out of your fucking mind? no.

>Drow

k

Omni

I think this would be a "who's better" individual matchup most of the time still gonna lean towards sd a little cause ult

>Ogre

It's like you think sd isn't squishy. You gon get multicasted on.

>Axe

Giving axe two free illusions so he can proc spin? Great idea

>Tide

K

> DK

K

>NS

Slow and a silence. The duration of both is amplified by nighttime. Gonna have to go with no.

>BS

I think you are making this list based on how good your ult is. Your ult is god tier against all these heroes, but it isn't up all the time. And most of these heroes have multiple ways to fuck your squishy ass up. And they have 4 team members, just like you. And BS has the largest AOE silence in the game so NO

>AM

anti MAGE

>Spectre

Bully the shit outta this bitch with ebola, probably the only other solid yes on this list besides drow.

>OD

Dude you will get astral'd and then deleted you will not have mana this list sucks QoP's balls.

Like I said earlier. Your ult is god tier against these heroes. But SD needs a competent team to back him up. And what's the number one rule of dota? Peruvians killed the Russians and the Brazilians and are worse than both groups that came before. They are on your team and the enemy team, PA was already a foregone conclusion, and the only other english speaker in the game is the motherfucker on your team going

"first time X hero for hero challenge lol i didnt practice in bots or read or watch guides before playing this hero lol if you want to win so much go to ranked lol dude stfu if you rush MoM on this hero it automatically makes him a carry all mid rush mid push mid me mid help me fight mid or reported"

This is why I don't pick Bane. 100 percent of the time people will attack nightmared enemies and not attack gripped enemies. I really like Bane too, meme jokes aside.

If you want a support that can "carry" a team from the support position, try Omni WD or WW. They have heals and disables that can mitigate mistakes and they are not hard to learn at all. Plus WR and Lina, they can actually transition into cores if you take the 1st farm spot and ignore your team at some point.

Like the guy above me said, read the wiki on Break and Hex and passives and stuff.

Or just play doom wink wink nudge nudge

>>3627

lopunny don't pretend you know what you're talking about

sd ult doesn't purge bkb, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant pierce

aghs sd ult IS incredibly good against most of those heroes, and even the ones I mentioned are mostly still neutered by the slow anyway

ns gets kited, it does remove flame guard (and makes embers remnants move super slow), and it can purge bloodlust off of ogre or his teammates

further example: poison and soul catcher are both incredibly good against pa, so is ult even without aghs. melee carry = kitable. aghs ult will remove her blur AND her crit

>>3628

I did mean pierce.

The rest of your post is shit though, and you are just saying what I said in the second paragraph.

Your ult is not up all the time though, and by the time you have boots wards and 4200 aghs the enemy carries are farmed. I was going to leave it alone with that advice, but since you want to besnarky and say I don't know what I am talking about, please show me you kiting pa and/or night stalker and winning because you are somehow the best sd player ever.

YOUR ULT IS NOT UP ALL THE TIME YOU ARE A SUPPORT. PA has a long range gap close and does not need crits or BKB to kill you early or late game. They are nice to have, sure, but you seem to think sd is some kind of mega omniknight or something. And that isn't even talking about ranged carries. Huskar can kill you without berserker's blood, too. SD is not the end all be all, even if he does have a stronger laning phase than several other supports.

>>3629

aghs ult has 3 charges with 40 second recharge time

barring dropping 3 charges on 1 hero all at the same time, it is up all the time.

PA does need crits to kill you early game. if she engages on you without level 4 phantom strike she won't be able to run away from you disrupting, soul catching, and shadow poisoning her. if you're level 4 with 2 points in poison you can do 500 damage to her if you land the soul catcher, and thats not even counting the initial 50 damage that each poison does. EVEN if PA's level 6, with 700 hp, unless shes at full when that engagement starts (and she shouldn't be) you can kill her easily

considering that and even a RELATIVELY even game you should be able to farm up an aghs pre-30 minutes (even if you buy urn+manaboots first) (and you would prioritize it against a hero like PA) especially considering that poison's awesome for farming jungle stacks especially once you hit 7

and if the PA did the pubshit of rushing a battlefury then you're even more golden. she won't have it until 20+ minutes and without any strength items or max phantom strike you can easily banish either her or her target when she jumps, catcher her, start poisoning her as you ult her when she comes out. she just dies if your team's not bumfuck retarded.

lopunny you're normal skill bracket don't pretend you have more game knowledge than others. you aren't being held down by your team. you're just not very good.

either get 4.5k+ mmr or stop pretending you're better than everyone.

>>3630

* le sigh meme face * Here goes.

-You are focusing on PA for some reason, ignoring every other hero: ones you listed, by the way

-Why shouldn't PA be at full hp? You think he wants to gank you at half hp?

-Since you brought up timings, we'll stick to PA. Given that Ripper Jew can farm a BF before 15 minutes, and I've seen him do very well in pubs, let's assume by 30 minutes your imaginary PA will also have a BF. And treads, and a PMS, and let's even say no bkb. Something like..helm and sange and yasha, or even something uncommon. Diffusal or something. You forgot to to factor in magic resistance while you were angryposting, so I'll be generous and say PA wanders in jungle and catches you while you are jungling and not placing wards or saving the real carry with disruption. You're gonna die. There is no ifs ands or buts about it. You can theory craft all you want, but this is a team game, and the PA has four teammates who want to kill you just as badly as you and your four teammates want to kill them. You aren't Artstyle, you aren't the best kiter and ebola spammer in the game. No matter how much memerre you have.

-Another thing. If I was 8k mmr and I was building blademail on zeus, and someone gave me advice, I wouldn't tell him to basically "lol shuddup I have more rank than you 1v1 me scrub". You should probably not think you can go up against any halfway decently farmed and leveled night stalker or Axe and live. But hey, you keep on trying. I'm sure one day this idea will work.

-Nobody said anything about being better than anyone, and I'm not pretending I am better than you. I don't even know who you are, anonymous imageboard poster.

-there's a LOT of bloodseekers and you will eventually need help to deal with a fed one, jussayin

>>3632

>Not digging one of the top 5 best items of 6.84

>Not accelerating your farm and turning your PA/Juggernaut/Wraith King into a carry with teamfight

8chan.

>>3632

>second most built item on PA according to the easily google-able dotabuff hero profile

>the pros must be wrong when they buikd bf, and so must the rest of the world be wrong too, cause my favorite youtuber said don't build it and he is never wrong

10/10 i replied

>>3632

BF is legit some games but the best farming build is Bird and Helm of the Dominator for ez XP and farm with tornado ability.

BKB, first to level 16, first Aegis and Abyssal are more important on PA.

>>3642

He isn't wrong in relation to 6.84 but they're mostly nobodies and she only has 19 games this patch.

according to http://www.datdota.com/hero.php?q=Phantom%20Assassin anyway

but yeah SD gets cucked by heroes solo

>>3643

Yeah all those pro nobodies

>>3645

The only legit player there is QO and he's like a Tier 3 Korean lmao.

I mean shit Sylar didn't build it. http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=1487699106 shit he bought a S&Y for the HP and MS.

also god dammit no post ids i gotta be more careful w/ posts lads

>>3647

b-but the majority of players build it so it has to be good!

>>3643

pro nobodies

K

>>3649

nah dude bf is so bad on pa

i'm sure you are the one guy in the world that has figured out the 100% perfect PA item build

>>3651

Also bare in mind the percentage bought here also includes all bad tiered games but if you filter out all the bad players and go for top tier EU, CN, CIS and Evil Genius teams you can see a pattern with how they play the hero in comparison to a shitter semi-pro or former-HoN stack.

>>3652

Back then the build for most aggressive games was Treads, Aquila, Drums (strictly for all the HP build up) followed by a BKB at 21 mins in.

>>3650

No, it's just situational and shouldn't be considered a core item on her. I mean a majority of players build midas on Alchemist which is fucking awful that doesn't mean you should just accept it. You have to understand that a majority of Dota are shitters including everyone on this board along with myself.

>>3651

>>3653

With a mag it makes more sense since more cleave along with his empower you can get ez kill with one crit but the only time a PA will ever be picked is with a hero that can buff her, such as Io, Veng, or Magnus and it's usually easy to spot when she is going to be drafted. Also when you draft a PA you want to be taking more fights mid game instead of just farming the jungle and staying in a lane which is why the drums and early stats items was a common build on her.

>>3654

yeah me and you are on the same wave length. only heroes in the game with special application of bfury for farming are AM and current Alc anyway.

New alc is fucking hilarious with first rune and more runes on top of stacks.

>>3655

Yeah I only like the item on AM and Ember but I feel like Alch needs a rework or something if people just go max greed you pretty much auto lose unless the enemy team is awful at the game. It should grant xp or something as well.

>>3656

Max Acid into Max Greed is very safe for lane presence tbh. But yeah a lot of retards max greed and it's like whatever because you get easy 400 gold and like 10-12 minute Battlefuries depending if you have access to Dire hard camp. Yasha > S&Y > Heart/BKB/AC just makes it a joke if you're actually doing well but yeah he's mediocre.

Alc just needs a different patch, tbh.

>>3657

oops by whatever i mean there's no point with more than 1-2 points early on because ur gonna get that phase/treads into bfury quickly anyway

>>3658

Yeah I agree but that doesn't stop the lopunnies in ur game from going midas first and maxing out greed.

>>3659

and still only getting 300 gpm

reminder SD is a good hero this patch

He has a purge/break on a 50 sec CD